Former SEIU leader caught on tape laying out the unions’ plan for economic chaos
This is not old stuff from years ago, it’s from three days ago. It forecasts a major union-led action the first week of May, targeting JP Morgan Chase. And it’s hair-raising both for its evil and its candor.
A former official of one of the country’s most-powerful unions, SEIU, is detailing a secret plan to “destabilize” the country.
Specifically, the plan seeks to destroy JP Morgan, nuke the stock market, and weaken Wall Street’s grip on power, thus creating the conditions necessary for a redistribution of wealth and a change in government.
The former SEIU official, Stephen Lerner, spoke in a closed session at a Pace University forum last weekend.
Here’s the tape, which The Blaze obtained.
Kathleen McKinley has an extensive transcript at her Houston Chronicle blog. Here’s a highlight.
How do we bring down the stock market
How do we bring down their bonuses
How do we interfere with there ability to be rich…So a bunch of us around the country think who would be a really good company to hate we decided that would be JP Morgan Chase and so we are going to roll out over the next couple of months what would hopefully be an exciting campaign about JP Morgan Chase that is really about challenge the power of Wall Street.
And so what we are looking at is the first week in May can we get enough people together starting now to really have an week of action in New York I don’t want to give any details because I don’t know if there are any police agents in the room.
What Lerner lays out is the unions’ plan to destroy the US economy, and then, ahem, fundamentally transform it to a model that’s more in the far left’s liking.
If the fellow who was running around with the “Liberty coins” can be accused of domestic terrorism for that, how can the unions not be rightly accused of domestic terrorism for hatching a plan that actually is a large-scale attack on the US economy?
“how can the unions not be rightly accused of domestic terrorism for hatching a plan that actually is a large-scale attack on the US economy”
Because the king agrees with the plan, that’s why.
Socialism is as socialism does. America is capitalistic. All actions reducing capitalism are ipso facto anti-American. (The Dollar sign is a combination of a U and an S) The American left and its paid for representatives in DC (short-term cpaitalists?) are engaging in treason, abetted by the MSM.
Socialism is as socialism does. America is capitalistic. Actively economic freedom is ipso facto anti-American.
All these “unions” have their abbreviations:
AFL-CIO, SEIU, IBEW, and on and on ad nauseam.
Why don’t they just be done with it and use SOVIET?
I hate the unions and want to see them crushed into commie bone meal. Having said that, there is a point to be made about the way the banks, in connivance with union/commie/Democratic traitors, first caused the financial meltdown (while paying themselves billions in bonuses), then got bailed out to the tune of hundreds of billions (while paying themselves billions in bonuses), and are now pocketing hundreds of billions (while paying themselves billions in bonuses), all while they are refusing to lower interest rates or make loans to those of us who never defaulted… I’m furious with my bank Wells Fargo for doing just that. In addition to canceling several lines of credit, they have recently begun marrauding several of my bank accounts with a raft of previously unknown “fees” and charges, amounting to hundreds of dollars every month…
What are we to do to protect ourselves from the treason which is permeating the system, and from the very top now that Obama is installed???
Doodslag, have you ever heard of Fannie Mae or Fannie Mac?
They made it profitable for the banks to be so stupid. They FORCED the banks to be stupid, with the Community Reinvestment Act and the lobbying/”community organizing” of groups like ACORN.
Oh, sure, any bankers who actually committed crimes should face the consequences. But the biggest problem was forcing the banks to loan to people who couldn’t pay back the loans.
“…the biggest problem was forcing the banks to loan to people who couldn’t pay back the loans.”
Yes – that’s “the banks, in connivance with union/commie/Democratic traitors” part of my comment. My point is that the bankers, forced or not, assuaged their consciences by paying themselves billions in bonuses while defrauding Uncle Sam and the US taxpayers. The politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle played along, a worse case of Uncle Sam betraying the taxpayers and committing suicide. Those bankers hardly make a sympathetic group for the right to rally around. Rant about Barney Frank all you want, he is treasonous scum – but the commies and Obama have the Right by the balls on this narrative, and they know it…
Yeah, let’s lynch the bankers for doing what they were forced to do. What they were paid (by the government) to do.
And ignore the real criminals, because “the narrative” says so.
Screw the truth, eh?
“Yeah, let’s lynch the bankers for doing what they were forced to do. What they were paid (by the government) to do.
And ignore the real criminals, because “the narrative” says so.
Screw the truth, eh?”
The bankers were “forced” to defraud Americans (and others) on a massive scale? The bankers were “forced” to lobby for the deregulation that allowed all this nonsense? Give me a break. You should be ashamed.
There is a simple solution to your problem: move your money to a credit union. Use your own power of choice to defund the banks, one account at a time.
So under U.S. law, making silver pseudo-coins in reaction to dollar destruction is “a unique form of domestic terrorism” and a “clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” while these revolutionaries planning an overthrow of the system are just “political organizers?” Interesting double standard the right must accept, just like we have to accept the DoJ’s blatant racism. So supposedly dangerous right-wingers go to prison on exaggerated charges while Obama’s appointees help actually destroy the dollar in real time, Obama actively works to overthrow capitalism, and his allies like this guy go on speaking tours to organize economic destruction and revolution. Just amazing…what a country!
Wow, you’re just quoting Glenn Beck verbatim…aren’t you embarrassed just a little bit?
The full article refers to Lerner as a former union leader, but doesn’t shed any light on the size of the gathering, or any background on Lerner. What about the school where the meeting took place? We know the radicals exist, but how many of them are there? Has anyone informed the FBI? After Frances Fox Piven’s call to revolution back in January, is there a connection between her and this group?
Without violence, these nuts won’t do anything but awaken more Americans to the corruption cycle of politicians and public unions. Most public jobs could be performed at a fraction of the cost by private contractors, so in time, they will be a part of the history of Marxism. The failure of our socialist public schools is being recognized everywhere, as home schooling and private schools are doing a better job of education. The incentive to adopt new technology and keep costs under control is a hallmark of free enterprise, and most Americans recognize that truth.
“So a bunch of us around the country think who would be a really good company to hate we decided that would be JP Morgan Chase…”
Huh. To replace or supplement the hatred of Koch, Walker, Palin, Bush, etc?
“If the fellow who was running around with the “Liberty coins” can be accused of domestic terrorism for that, how can the unions not be rightly accused of domestic terrorism for hatching a plan that actually is a large-scale attack on the US economy?”
Because Obomber likes the union minions who voted for him?
Rule of law means only enforce the laws Obomber wants to enforce, not like all laws.
This brings to mind a fellow named RICO. You know, for corrupt organizations.
R.I.C.O. Yes, a nice concept. They use it against pro-life activists, but with these goofs in the DOJ, they will not prosecute an axe-murderer caught on videotape is it is a donor to Mr. Obama’s favorite charity. Bah.
Many states have ‘little RICO’ statutes. Maybe they can be sued state by state.
This guy Lerner would normally be 24/7 ignorable, another blowhard pony-tail guy refugee from the 60s still manning the barricades at the local coffee shop and free meeting rooms at the public library.
Except that his comrade Mr. Obama is in the executive mansion, so Lerner is attracting more currency than he is actually worth.
That makes him a personification of a “bubble” in the current political economy.
Lerner needs to be placed in prison immediately otherwise he will go underground and will play a major role as a domestic terrorist. This is a guy that al qaeda and terrorists in general will fund.
Please tell me you guys aren’t stupid enough to believe this story.God help my country if you are.
have you even listened to the tape? stick your head in the sand…this is a revolution that could actually work….
What’s not to believe the guy said it on tape? At the very least he should be questioned as to the legitimacy of his statements.
Jimmy Olson always was the dumbest one on the show. Please, someone escort this guy to the Soviet Union so he can feel at home.
Obama=Holder=Soros=Reid=Pelosi=TRAITOR COMMIE SCUM. This little piss-ant is just like the Barney Frank cocksucker at PBS. They all belong in GITMO dressed as goats so the MOOSLIME buddies of theirs can Barnmey Frank their miserable asses to death.
This is such a childish and unintelligible response to a very complicated situation. Why not try to understand the point this guy is making? Why would you just scream “communist!”? That’s so 60 years ago, dude. Time to quit trying to label everyone as something other than yourself and start listening to people…you may find that even if you don’t believe with his ideas fully that there is alot that you could learn from him. I’m certainly not a communist or socialist, but i get where the dude’s coming from.
Thanks for being a voice of reason, Daniel. I am still at a loss to see so many people angrily fighting against any attempt to go after the banks that defrauded the people of this country and indeed, the world.
Lerner is right. the banks crashed our economy and union or not, we need to challenge their power over our economy.
I listened to the ENTIRE Tape – Have you?! I AGREE with 90% of what Lerner says. maybe not the tactics , but hell the banksarekillingus! so why not? He’s right though.
BANKS=CONSOLIDATED WEALTH OF ALL AMERICANS=REDISTRIBUTION TIME.
Sure you agree with him.
You’re weak-minded, greedy, and lazy. His natural constituency.
You are nothing more than a disposable tool being used by those in power. You could be more, though.
Those of you who are calling this “economic terrorism” are the same people who don’t bother to understand the “economy” or “terrorism”. Is it a threat to the United States of America for a large group to get together and boycott a product? Of course not, but if we were to conspire to boycott an entirely flawed system, such as this fractional reserve banking system, then it is? YOU’RE MISSING THE BIGGER POINT! If a country’s sovereignty is so closely tied to banks, then it’s not really that sovereign to begin with!
…This is simply a protest, but the kind that powerful people actually hear. Why do they hear it? BECAUSE THEIR PRECIOUS MONEY IS TALKING!
You have no clue what money is, do you?
You must be kidding? Do you even know what fractional reserve means?
Imagine is the Business Insider headline: “CAUGHT ON TAPE: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan, Crash The Stock Market, And Redistribute Wealth In America”
had instead read:
“CAUGHT ON TAPE: Former JPM Executive Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy The US Middle Class, Balloon The Nation’s Sovereign Debt, And Bribe, Steal And Embezzle All The Wealth In America”
We could have all asked the question, “So, what else is new?”
The six largest Wall Streets holding banks already have assets that equal 63% of the US GDP. The 400 wealthiest Americans already have assets that equal those assets held by the bottom 155 million Americans. The wealth, my friends and countrymen, has already been redistributed.
All i can say is WORD!!!!!
The end result of 80+ years of putting hate-filled, anti-Americans in power. And the American people approved of it at every step: they voted for their union leaders; they voted for FDR; they voted for LBJ; they voted for Obama. Reap the whirlwind.
I love it…”80+ years of putting hate-filled, anti Americans in power.” Your concept of America is a country where we kick ass, use all of the world’s resources and suppress everyone but white folks. If it’s anti-american to think that that’s an unsustainable way to treat the rest of the world, then so be it. You do realize what you’re basically saying is “if only we had voted for nothing but republicans, we’d be great!” right? That’s is an absolute idiotic viewpoint and shows your complete lack of understanding of the how the world works. Your view of the world is what you see right around you and what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh feed you and that is all.
Thanks for making the effort, Daniel. I certainly don’t have the energy. It makes me very sad to see the level of disconnect and lunacy expressed on sites like this. Not one of them has the intellectual chops to see how they have been manipulated into fearing a boogie man who doesn’t exist.
Don’t despair, Jimmy. We are getting the conversation out there.
Daniel and tartessos,
you guys are impressive. No jobs no homes,yer moms basement, your kingdom. If you want money get a job. Redistribution at its finest.
Willingness to not pay your bills and on top of that “bring down the banks”. Here is some schooling. Those banks hold peoples money, not yours, you live off your mom. People who work, (Beck fans?) Are who you want to bring down.
So you pissy little commie girls – get jobs. And repeat a million times.
I am responsible for my own failure.
repeat….
lather, rinse.
that last would be a great kindness as your mom apparently gave up reminding you what the shower is for.
Way to assume…I actually work 45 hrs a week in a hospital as a respiratory therapist. Not that what I does even matters. Your logic is completely flawed if you’d bother to think about it. What you’re saying is the cure to everyone’s problems is for them to get up off their lazy ass and go get a job. What about Ethiopians? The ones who are actually starving to death? If i bought you a ticket (i could actually afford it) to go over to Ethiopia, would you walk up to a village and be like “What the hell are yall doing sitting here starving?? Go get a job, damn it! Quit being communists!” Of course you wouldn’t, because you’d understand that there are people who are screwed from the get go. If you’d step outside of your tiny little world, you might see the big picture: this country’s taken so much of the world’s wealth that even the poor people get to eat 6 wendy’s burgers a day while others around the world are lucky to eat that many calories in an entire month. But of course you don’t care, that’s the ultimate problem…you only care about yourself. You’re the same as the Nazis, you would have been perfectly living in Germany during that time, your life would have been great all while they were murdering millions of Jews. You would have loved the south circa 1845. You would have been in great shape, meanwhile you’d have slaves doing all of your work for you. I’m just saying, just because you’re doing alright, doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to make this world better for the others who have no chance…and don’t give me that bogus “give to charity” remark…that’s not enough.
I am still thinking I am correct, but will accept your claims. Though I would not be satisfied on your salary, make more of yourself!
I will be happy to play the logic game with you.
What dumb ass told you that my money has anything to do with Ethiopians being poor? Were they well off before 1776? – of course not, so bag that non sequiter of a talking point. That shit doesn’t work on educated people. Also are you sure doing some work wouldn’t improve young Ethiopians life? Logic Daniel logic.
Us taking the worlds wealth, are you that dumb? The big evil capitalist USA. Created or supplied the know how for the creation of all that wealth, capitalism and hard work. We then pay money to anyone with something we need. And give freely to those that don’t. That’s what you want to destroy.
now a hard truth. Ethiopia as is the case with most African countries is socialist/commie working good for them? The ones that didn’t get killed by his own leftist government I mean. get a clue Daniel.
Look around Daniel, those people standing next to you are unemployed/acorn lazy bastards. And they aren’t in Ethiopia!!! They want stuff for free, its called stealing. If you were doing something to help your Ethiopian friend I would say you have been duped, but no, somehow you let yourself off the hook, only taking other peoples money will do for you losers. Makes you a commie, unwashed, mommies basement dwelling idiot who think that evil philosophy will work next time its tried. It evil cause you don’t care who you hurt to try it for the nth time, oh yeah, it will end in the murder of millions just like before.
Why the H*** is the average union worker so easily duped by his socialist boss(es) who have nothing but disdain for the average-Joe, hardworking dues-payer. Somehow the union membership must be awakened to the fact that they’re being led by the nose down a path to their own cultural and economic destruction at the hands of a Stephen Lerner-directed thought leadership that comes straight out of the fantasies of Red Diaper Babies/Stalinist Youth Campers of the Catskills. The union bosses’ vision of utopia DOESN’T include workers as part of the New Nomenclatura…they are obviously too ignorant and retarded. Worse yet, beyond the goal of destroying capitalism and capitalists, the Left has no idea of what might come next.
Nice parroting of Michael “Savage” Weiner. Polly want a cracker?
Sorry, it wouldn’t allow me to reply for some reason…maybe our thread got too long?
You’re missing the big point, Rick. Because of money, it is completely non-profitable for us to feed the starving people in Ethiopia. That’s not to say that we don’t have the food to do so. Could you agree with that? This was my point…look how much we eat in America! It’s clearly obvious that food is abundant and there’s more than enough to feed the world. But, because of capitalism, and the fact that you have to make a profit to stay in business, it’s virtually a certainty that these people will starve to death generation after generation.
Capitalism breeds haves and have nots, it’s common sense. You’re just use to living in this country where we have the highest concentration of wealth in the world. It’s so easy for you to not see the big picture, but you should really try. This system leads to a small amount of the population owning a gigantic amount of the resources, with that gap spreading more and more each day.
I’ll bet you’ll agree with this: If you’re lazy and choose not to work when you have the means to do so, you’re a waste of life. Answer this: What about all of the CEO’s who don’t work? They produce nothing for society. They simply get into positions to benefit the most from the work of everyone else beneath them.
My point is that there are more than enough resources on this planet to ensure that every single person on this planet is fed and housed…it’s just that with the current system, it doesn’t allow for solving real problems like homelessness, hunger, disease, etc.
Communism or whatever you want to call it will become a bigger and bigger issue as the world gets more and more tied together. One day, there will simply be Earth, not this association of different countries with conflicting religious and cultural beliefs battling over resources like monkeys…it’s an absolute certainty, and capitalism I assure you will not be what we use. This system will be discarded one day when about 95% of Earth’s population realize that their purpose in life is to produce wealth for about 5% of the population.
Daniel, I do see the big picture.
you aren’t qualified to make the call you are making. nor your friends. That is the big picture.
Yes there are enough resources, as I said before resources is one thing, turning it into wealth took us. Africa, and the middle east have a ton of resources. and if we didn’t find it and buy it they would be where they have always been. There is one society in that part of the world that doesn’t murder its own and creates wealth – Israel – and you want to end that one too (what is it with you people? ever think of making your own way in life?)
its about power, it was in Germany (the left) national SOCIALIST party – thought I would point that out since you mistakenly equated it with my world view instead of your own. China, USSR all exactly what you are preaching except I don’t recall them generating enough to help anyone nor the inclination to do it if they did. Those are the facts Daniel. pony up your own money – do what you can to help. stealing from me isnt gonna happen and I am sure you are mistaken about how this will turn out. its true you are about to unleash hell, who the hell falls upon is gonna surprise you, but some people have to learn the hard way.
(Sigh) Rick, who the hell is qualified to make calls on anything? Scientists are really the only people that have qualifications.
A)You are basically saying that if it wasn’t for us going into these countries, and forcing them to get on the capitalism bandwagon, these people wouldn’t be happy. News for you: They’re still not happy! All we really did was turn them into people that we could exploit for cheap resources. They went from having nothing to having slightly more than nothing. Look at sweat shops…it’s the ideal example. Nike: “We’re bringing jobs to the Phillippines!” and paying their workers nickels which still equate to them not meeting their basic needs, but hey they’ve got jobs now! Jobs are the answer to everything in this retarded system.
B)Israel? Really? Do you understand the history of Israel? These are facts:
1) We went into a very weak Palestinian state and just placed Israel right in the middle of it and then supplied them with tons of money, weapons & ammo to make sure it stayed that way. Not much more to it.
2) The Palestinians clearly don’t like that so they oppose it. Yes, because of the impending feeling of helplessness, some have resorted to terrorism.
3) Israel constantly kills Palestinians, slowly creeping their walls (which are completely illegal by geneva convention standards) farther and farther outward. Did you know in ’09, when those terrorists were firing rockets on Israel, the death count was approximately 1200-1400 palestinian deaths vs 13 Israeli deaths. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War PLEASE LOOK.
C) Germany was HYPER RIGHT during the Third Reich! It was Fascism…which is basically what extremist conservatives believe in! Look at the KKK, if that’s not extremist conservatism I don’t know what is? I will grant you that it had socialist qualities which also gave it an extreme left ideology too, but that’s only in the fact that everything was state run…including corporations. This does nothing to support that communism is inherently bad though.
D) China is socialist to an extent, but they realized early on that their way can’t work until capitalism is crushed. “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” is their motto and as you see they are slowly overtaking us. It’s really interesting to wonder what their ultimate goal is. I promise you it’s not to become more and more capitalistic as time goes on either. They are in the middle of economic warfare with us, like we were with Russia during the Cold War (this is the main reason the USSR didn’t survive by the way).
Rick, my money will do nothing to solve the world’s problems. Money is not the answer to the world’s problems. We’re the richest country in the entire world and we can’t even solve homelessness within our own borders! I’ll agree with you that capitalism has been the best way to make it work so far, but it’s really not even a decent way to solve the world’s problems. It’s a completely unsustainable way. When society wakes up as a whole, as one planet and we see each other as equals and not people of different color, religions, nationalities (which is exactly what we are…just people)…capitalism WILL be discarded. I personally don’t think it’s that far off…look at all the masses getting tired of their rulers. You may think that that leads to democracy and better lives, but what will they do when they find that after the government is changed, and they’re still having just as much trouble buying food? Protest again?
Daniel,
Some quick points/Questions:
There has never been a state of Palestine, never, so what the hell a Palestinian is i have no idea. that is just a name you bedwetting anti-Semites like to use. They are Arabs, mostly Jordanians. Of course the Jews have lived there for millennia, giving them a tiny homeland on what was sovereign ISREAL doesn’t seem like a big deal to me. Just sayin.
Have you considered what you will do with those of us that disagree with you, I mean if you somehow did come out on top? I am guessing you will (with deep regret of course) murder my grandchildren along with our whole family. that is what you enlightened people have always done.
Human nature is what it is. Only Gods spirit (yep I am one of them) has allowed a period of relative peace in the world. How will you keep the non-Christians from murdering each other? (Assuming you allow them to live)
Which one of you great spirits will make the decision’s for the um chattel class?(assuming you allow any to live)
How and where will you bury the people that starve to death when it finally dawns on you that you may have been mistaken and that the U.S. had those food surpluses because there was reason to produce (profit).
What will you say as the Muslim um person is doing the chop chop on your and george soro’s neck? (A smart person would know they have a different world government in mind).
The religious right is a label given by the bright lights on the left (the left is a dark place). If they/we were as you claim we would be the theocratic party or some such. But as it is Christians hitch to the right because the left loves to kill people (see choice and socialism/communism). The federal government is forbidden from sponsoring a religion.
Don’t be an idiot Nazi as i pointed out is national socialist, Stalin referred to them as right wingers because he felt they were to the right of your beloved communism. While you may idolized the man taking what any leftist says as truth is just plain stupid.
Finally a quick lesson on political philosophies:
(Left)———————————————————————————–(Right)
King/oligarchy communism/socialism democracy republic anarchy
Of course communism/socialism is at heart an oligarchy.
if I may Daniel, you’re understanding of politics and history is very weak. maybe you should spend some time learning about this stuff before you get into such crazy stuff.
I’ll do what I did last time…break it down into small replies that you will no doubt not really listen to. But whatever, here goes…
1) If you want to play semantics with that “state of Palestine” comment, you can…it still has zero attempt to express the truth of the situation. Wikipedia “the history of Israel”…it’s all right there. It’s not a bunch of anti-semites making this stuff up. There are quotes of Jews in there saying “I want to go to Palestine”. It’s very simple what happened: The Jews were getting screwed all over the place, so they just decided to move in droves (and i mean millions in approx. a decade) to Palestine. It’s almost like if 3 million Chinese people moved to America, setup a spot in Little Tokyo and then demanded that the U.N. recognize them as a state, while referring to their ancestors who were the native americans that moved across the bering strait some 10,000 yrs ago. I have lots of sympathy for the Jews, they’ve been screwed for millenia, but it still does not mean that a country should be built for them. I find it funny that when the descendants of slaves demand reparations, you conservatives don’t seem to be so understanding…AND THEY’RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRY! Furthermore, how the hell do you figure that the same people who want equality and freedom for all people of the world don’t like Jews? That’s pretty much the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s about the nation itself, it has nothing to do with the people who live there. It could have been any race of people. You’re basically playing the PC thing that you get so mad at lefties for doing. You’re saying that if I don’t agree with how Israel came to be then I’m an anti-semite. Grow up.
2) “Have you ever considered what you will do with those that disagree?” You’re missing the entire point, the last two endings to my replies have pretty much explained what I want. We are already in a Plutocracy where those with the most money rule the rest. I don’t think you can disagree with that. Do you not think that as money is shifted further and further into fewer and fewer hands that this problem won’t get worse? At the rate we’re at now, in 100 years a handful of corporations will literally own and produce everything on the planet. Do you think the world would stand for that? Do you think that at some point the world’s people would say no more? This is what I want, the world as a whole to take its “wealth” back. 400 Americans have more money than 155 million of the poorest Americans combined…Just sayin’. Quit being so afraid of communism…have you not seen the 50′s propoganda videos that were made here in America of the evils of communism? Tons of Americans, including you, still buy into this crap! It’s the complete opposite of capitalism, so of course we were taught to hate it!
3) Only God’s spirits have allowed for a period of prosperity in the world? You’re not talking about what happened when the protestants moved to America, murdered 10 million Native Americans, built its infrastructure on the backs of slave labor, and then lived prosperous for 200 years are you? That doesn’t sound very prosperous to me…just sayin’. I think you’re also implying that the only way to be prosperous is to believe in God…the rest of those religions don’t have a chance do they? It proves my point that you seriously think that if everyone on the planet would be capitalists and believe in Jesus, everyone would be rich.
4) I answered alot of your tiny little questions that showed your very ignorant and simplistic view of communism in 2 and 3 I believe. I will however answer the one about Muslims. I look at Muslims just as I look at you…as people who base their lives off of what a 2000 year old book says. They believe in magic and the prophecy of the end times. They believe in it so much, that they are basically attempting to fulfill this prophecy. Ahmadenidjad believes in the 12th imam and wants to start a massive war in the middle east because he believes that is what it will take to bring him back. You Christians are just as bad, you think that if Israel falls then Jesus will return. I want you both to quit believing in these religions. If you do, the world will finally have some reason. Educated people across the globe(and i’m not just talking about math) are the answer to our problems. With the invention of the internet, this is happening at an alarming rate. People no longer wish to accept the status quo, it’s only a matter of time before even the strongest Muslim hearts are finally turned away through sheer logical thought.
5)”Christians cling to the right because the left loves to kill people”…hmm, aren’t you the ones that show blind patriotism without even asking questions? Aren’t you the ones that love your soldiers who VOLUNTARILY joined up with the government to kill people? How can the religious right support war in any way whatsoever? Oh I know how, you turn it into a war of “They’re trying to destroy us God loving, capitalist folks!, let’s get them before they get us!” 3,000 people died on 9/11…since then some estimate that 150,000 have died because of it. God is good. And don’t even let me get into how good Allah is…ugh.
6) By the chart you just drew, our government is just slightly more right than having a King. An oligarchy is what we are. (FROM WIKIPEDIA) Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία, oligarkhía[1]) is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. Hmmm…haven’t I been saying this for a while. You think we’re a democracy or a republic or whatever you want because we get to vote. The truth is, it doesn’t matter…lobbyists are what matter. Money is what matters. Money is what decides who gets to run for president in the first place. Obama and McCain each accepted more than 500 million dollars in campaign finance. You don’t think that no matter who won, they weren’t already in someone’s back pocket? And now you want Obama gone and you want someone from the right…and you think that it’s actually going to fix something don’t you? ANSWER THIS: What problems do politicians really solve??? I can’t think of anything, it’s societal changes and technology that fix problems.
IT WON’T…THE ONLY THING THAT WILL FIX THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS WHEN IT FINALLY KILLS ITSELF. And when it does, we have the solution…let’s only hope we can change enough people’s minds before it happens. By the way, I’m not even communist, I just want you to quit being afraid of it. I personally don’t want there to be any money whatsoever. Money is what causes corruption to begin with. I want a system where there are zero laws, only the smartest of the smartest thinking of ways to evenly distribute the earth’s resources across the planet to all of its people. Free travel, free food, free shelter, and that’s basically it. What’s the point of all of this other shit anyway? Then we just enjoy each other’s company. It’s really not that complicated…
P.S. – Please don’t come at me with some counter argument until you have seriously taken the time to think about what I’ve said. I’m not here to just debate. I’m here to try to change your mind. My mind has already been changed.