Bleeding From Behind
Accounts of the Muslim Brotherhood’s torture chambers in Egypt raise one of history’s most daunting questions. Why is evil seemingly unkillable? The scenes of torment might with variations be from the previous Egyptian regime. Indeed they might be from any torture chamber anytime in history. The initial beatings; the screenings, the offer of false hope and finally the process of breaking the prisoner’s will. It is all the same. Mubarak — Morsi– Mubarak. The faces have changed yet the story remains the same.
Timothy Snyder, the author of the book Bloodlands, makes the case that two evils in opposition do not always cancel each other out. In fact evils in close proximity can stoke each other’s infernal fires. His account of the dire fate of populations caught between the German border and European Russia over whom both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fought over to kill illustrates the point with great effect. And it makes one wonder whether things in the Middle East are as simple as arming one against the other if both sides are malevolent.
But the idea of inescapable tragedy, or sorrow without redemption; the notion that our chosen allies may be as bad as our hated foes is too depressing for public consumption. People need a Black and White story to explain the sacrifices they are asked to make. Hence we made wartime heroes of the Soviet Union even as we have made democrats of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The truth was that the Nazis and Soviets needed each other in the same way that Arab Strongmen and the Jihad are complementary. When in conflict they kill more than each other. They destroy whatever else is in the way.
Only when Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and the Soviet Union in 1941 did Hitler’s visions of the elimination of the Jews from Europe intersect with the two most significant populations of European Jews … the bloodlands were where most of Europe’s Jews lived, where Hitler and Stalin’s imperial plans overlapped, where the Wehrmacht and the Red Army fought and where the Soviet NKVD and the German SS concentrated their forces … the deadliest part of the Soviet Union was its non-Russian periphery, and Nazis killed beyond Germany …
The tremendous majority of the mortal victims of both the German and Soviet regimes never saw a concentration camp … American and British forces reached none of the bloodlands and saw none of the major killing sites. It is not just that Americans and British forces saw none of the places where the Soviets killed … they never saw the places where the Germans killed, meaning that the understanding of Hitler’s crimes has taken just as long. The … German concentration camps were the closest that most westerners ever came to perceiving the mass killing … they were only hints at the history of the bloodlands. They are not the whole story; sadly, they are not even an introduction.
Without Molotov-Ribbentrop, absent the showdown between the monsters, the Bloodlands might not have have happened. It ironic that of history’s commentators, it is the Bolsheviks who understood most clearly the compansionship of evil. They felt it beside them and were not shy about acknowledging its presence.
Donald Rayfield, in his book Stalin and his Hangmen notes Yuri Andropov’s skepticism of Lord Acton’s maxim that “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Andropov wryly said that only a “moron in his cups” could believe that. “Power is in fact corrupted by the people,” he concluded. We have ruined the world. It is not the world that has ruined us.
The presence of evil on both sides of an historical struggle makes it hard to manufacture a happy ending. It shatters the easy narrative of “Egyptian protesters” vs the authoritarian Mubarak regime; it spoils the easy fiction of the gallant Libyan rebels against Mohammar Khadaffy. It makes everything complicated. If the Obama administration is even now having second thoughts about letting Assad’s chemical weapons fall into the hands of the Free Syrian Army, it is only because it must realize that the weapons in those hands would not be such an improvement after all.
The New York Times now reports that Morsi may be preparing to declare Martial Law and Spengler at PJ Media makes the convincing case that Egypt’s economy is breaking down. The Four Horsemen have started a rodeo down in the Middle East and the Hope and Change Ringmaster can’t seem to find a way to get them out of the arena.
But maybe these Four Horsemen were never completely banished from history’s stage. We merely staged a funeral for civilizational evil after the Second World War, but there was in fact no one in the coffin. Hitler, maybe; but not the Soviets at any rate. We simply redefined the narrative and walked on. As Donald Rayfield reminds us, one of the two muderous regimes was never brought to account. The leaders of the Soviet Union “died in their beds … they died uncontrite”.
The guilty were, by and large, not brought to account nor even removed from power. Vladimir Putin’s Russia has rejoined the world community but it does not so much as deny as set aside Stalin’s holocaust …nobody in German smokes ‘Auschwitz’ cigarettes but Belomorkanal cigarettes, commemorating a camp where 100,000 were exterminated, are still sold in Russia.
The line from the Bloodlands still runs from Poland to Aleppo, as from Russia to Syria. Snyder describes the multitude of forgotten ghosts from the Bloodlands. They are so numerous we can scarcely believe they can exist. He notes:
In the middle of Europe in the middle of the 20th century, the Nazi and Soviet regimes murdered some fourteen million people. … The Nazi and Soviet regimes turned people into numbers … Fourteen million, after all, is a very large number. It exceeds by more than ten million the number of people who died in all of the Soviet and German concentration camps (as opposed to the death facilities) taken together over the entire history of both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany … it exceeds by more than two million the number of German and Soviet soldiers, taken together, killed on the battlefield in the Second World War … it exceeds by more than thirteen million the number of American and British casualties, taken together, of the Second World War. It also exceeds by more than thirteen million all the American battlefield losses in all of the foreign wars that the United States has ever fought.
And so perhaps in self defense we have taken to laughing about them rather than acknowledging their presence. We make up tropes about rebels, the better to avoid the question of discriminating between the factions among them.
Martin Amis, before writing his book Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million found himself laughing when his friend Christopher Hitchens made a semi-sarcastic reference to “old comrades”. Amis posed the question of why Hitler ‘elicits spontaneous fury and the other [Stalin, "Bolshevism"] elicits spontaneous laughter’”. He wrote the book to remind himself that Stalin’s crimes were real; that we couldn’t joke our way out of it simply to conceal the fact that the narrative we bought at so great a price was false.
It was self-mocking fondness for an old hope, an aid to forgetting the 20 million. But it was also the chasm between the nobility of the hope, the splendour of the propaganda about achievement, and the squalor of the reality.
The squalid reality is that there was no escape from responsibility, no solace in pretended idealism. The world can be amended but only if we take it for what it is. The Four Horsemen can never be seen off while the Ringmaster is himself a huckster; it cannot be evicted by lies; denial or snake oil. They can only be handled by facing the facts. Mubarak was a dictator. Alas, so too might be Morsi.
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
An illustration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hwf4isCFmE
C S Lewis had some comments on the appearance, attire, attitude, and location of enablers and instigators of evil which are still relevant.
Bleeding from behind, indeed.
Now matter how cynical I grow, I still struggle with how some people have precisely zero interest in the carnage perpetrated as a matter of policy by governments and political movements like the Muslim Brotherhood, yet they simultaneously will view abuses carried out by rogue soldiers (such as Abu Ghraib) as damning evidence of America’s fundamental evil.
I was flipping through a book about Yalta at the bookstore last night. Many of Roosevelt’s people were gaga over Stalin. The Roosevelt administration was substantially complicit in his crimes. One major goal of WWII was to save Uncle Joe.
It was the age of the dictators. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao.
And Roosevelt was the closest thing to the American version of a dictator until now.
Jim…
At Yalta FDR’s ‘advisors’ were, mostly, Stalin’s agents. There’s a photo out there on the Internet of FDR sitting at a table — and to his left and right were American traitors — all in the thrall of Stalin.
So, they were w a a a y past ‘gaga.’
Nothing exists except as created by God. Therefor Sin was created by God. Explain it to Job.
The three brain concept of humans having human brain, a mammal brain, and a reptile brain governing out behavior may explain a lot:
http://www.threes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2472:humans-have-three-brains&catid=70:science&Itemid=52
And there is evidence of “beast” and the attempts to control it over the centuries:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2012/12/well-thats-just-splendiferous.html
But on top of this there are cultures that just keep giving themselves the governments that they deserve:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/do_the_people_get_the_governments_they_deserve.html
By order of the supreme overlord, the beatings, torture, and mass executions will continue until evil has been defeated.
You are hereby directed to rejoice accordingly.
>> Nothing exists except as created by God. Therefor Sin was created by God. Explain it to Job.
Blast From the Past: Did God create himself? And learn the freewill defense dude. Historically Christians have not thought that God created sin. They still don’t.
toadold…
Chadwick is a boob.
Chavez has been stealing elections. Period, stop. He doesn’t have the mandate of the people.
Barry and the Chicago boys stole the November election.
Right now, the innumerate among us are being led around by the nose. They actually ‘buy’ the narrative.
Folks, that’s a narrative that’s sold every season back in Chicago. It’s a crock.
As for Nicaragua, once a nation is totally destabilized — read that to mean that the talent has been run off — the talent doesn’t come back.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm
It is FALSE that just anyone can start up their own enterprise.
Statistically, the grand tale is that only the brighter than average can pull it off. It’s a necessary, but not sufficient condition, though.
Once you understand Smart Fraction Theory then everything from Ashkenazi super-success and the colonial model start to make sense.
The reason that Africa collapsed after the Europeans left/fled was that the Europeans were entirely concentrated in the Smart Fraction of the economy.
They weren’t just ordinary average Joes.
The same is true for expatriate Americans. There are no jobs, overseas, for the average American. Only those with above average IQs and job skills are wanted — and contracted for.
For those unaware: the Smart Fraction is that segment of any society with an IQ above 106ish. We’re not talking genius, just self-motivated and self-organizing.
The global IQ norm is approximately 87ish, not the 100 you’ve been led to believe.
’100′ was the average assigned to normed European American test scores — after the fact.
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So, most of what Chadwick assumes is pure bunk. Everything turns on a polity’s Smart Fraction and the Rule of Law/ honest vote tabulations.
On this Feast of the Immaculate Conception, this post reaffirms our Lady’s words at Fatima regarding Russia. The focus of the Soviet downfall is not the story – it is the diabolical evil that has never been addressed and worse, enabled by the likes of FDR and the new left in America. Since the Church pretty much wrote off what Mary wanted done (consecration of Russia) – my view remains that the chastisement is underway. Pray
Timothy Snyder, the author of the book Bloodlands, makes the case that two evils in opposition do not always cancel each other out.
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As Timothy Snyder reminds us we merely staged a funeral for civilizational evil after the Second World War
I think it was WWI that was “The War To End All Wars”. I guess it didn’t.
Shall I supply the (at least) two Tolkien references on the same topics? Nah. Most of the regulars here know them anyway.
Evil exists. There is an energizing force about evil. It is real.
We can explain it mechanically, regarding the limbic or hind brain.
We can diagnose the failed mental health that leads to it as psychotic, or pathological terms that define it in detail.
But this is just the way the furniture is arranged. This world is a fallen place, and evil exists.
Who killed Jesus Christ, who was born into this world to take the sins of Man upon his shoulders? The World killed Jesus Christ. It was not just the Romans, the Pharisees of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. It was the World.
The World, the Flesh and the Devil. As real now as ever. People look for excuses, for rationalizations, for modern man is different some how. Yet evil abounds, and rears its head all the time, yet we refuse to see it.
And the darkness is in the souls of every man ever born. It is the struggle of our lives to overcome. Thou mayest triumph over sin.
As Cain was cast out, East of Eden. The Mark of Cain is on all of us.
Blert@13
Good response. I’m always suspicious of the correlation not being causation however it is still interesting that so many cultures produce a low IQ and uneducated populace.
Mother to son, “Why are you so upset boy!” I just found out that I can’t marry my girl friend.” “Why is that?” “Dad..well..Dad told me she’s my half sister by him.” “Oh you can go ahead and marry her, he’s not really your father.”
Thank you Richard, for reminding us who our true enemies are and the quality of their natures, and it isn’t South Korea because some newly-minted international pop star said some bad wurds about us back when he wasn’t one…..0_ô……..
The Obama Doctrine is to punish success and reward failure.
This Doctrine is the basis of his domestic policy. The ‘Obama Doctrine’ has been applied in every country in the world in every century. It is why people are poor and only the leaders are rich.
Obama did not invent it. He follows this doctrine as did FDR, Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Also African and Asian coutries and most South American. Where ever there is a government there is a natural tendency to adopt the Obama Doctrine. Torture is used to find money and hold power. Its like bring a gun to a knife fight.
Um, local historians, lookit this thing in Time Magazine published on December 7:
http://nation.time.com/2012/12/07/pearl-harbor-2-0/
… that it was all a Soviet plot so they wouldn’t have a two-front war also against Japan, blaming it on Morgenthau assistant Harry Dexter White. Also giving a history of some chaos in Japan in the 1930s I was unaware of.
I suspect the motives for and of anything published in Time. Is this (as far as it goes) largely accurate, and why would they publish it, now, what are the lessons that it might teach? I assume the worst and don’t like how it comes out.
“..they never saw the places where the Germans killed..”
Oradour-sur-Glane
Josh…
Curious….
However, other records show that l o n g before Dexter White (traitor) FDR was meeting with his National Security Council trying to figure out a way to get Germany to declare war on America.
DW was pushing on a toboggan that was already whooshing down the mountainside.
Ever since the French were defeated, FDR and the Pentagon were in a state of shock. All along the way, FDR tried and tried to provoke a ‘Lusitania II.’ It never worked.
A ‘Japan attacks America first’ gambit was mooted as far back as October, 1940. ( Commander McCollum, defacto NSC staffer )
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The NSC was codified into being by Truman. It, however, had been operating long before Pearl Harbor. It’s customary weekly meetings were Tuesday mornings — in the White House. The ‘Pearl Harbor conspiracy started within the FDR’s ad hoc NSC.
Truman merely codified the long standing procedure. And, that’s how it sprang up, full blow, running on all cylinders.
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DW didn’t need to goad FDR. He already hated the Japanese and Germans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpClQgAodPE
In the above clip, you’ll see FDR inspecting naval artillery during WWI. (as Secretary of the Navy)
His enmity towards the Germans never let up from that point forward. Chemical warfare did the trick.
He didn’t have too high an opinion of the IJA, either. The Shanghai atrocities did the trick.
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As ever, the Russians overrate their impact on WWII.
Weirdly, this account implies that getting America into the war saved Russia. Normally, that line of exposition is not tolerated.
14. Hutsul
On this Feast of the Immaculate Conception, this post reaffirms our Lady’s words at Fatima regarding Russia. The focus of the Soviet downfall is not the story – it is the diabolical evil that has never been addressed and worse, enabled by the likes of FDR and the new left in America. Since the Church pretty much wrote off what Mary wanted done (consecration of Russia) – my view remains that the chastisement is underway. Pray.
Hutsul, Nice post. How many will read the page at this link?
http://www.fatima.org/apostolate/faqconse.asp
C. S. Lewis, who served in the trenches in France in ‘The Great War’, said that war hasn’t changed in the essentials. Every man who ever went onto a battlefield had one life to lose, one body to be maimed, and one mind to be broken. And whether the body is maimed by spear, arrow, minie ball or a 7.62mm metal jacketed bullet is of little difference. Courage is as valuable today, and as easily recognised , as it was in the Crusades.
In the same vein, all of the knowledge we have accumulated, all the inventions we have created haven’t led to any new method of wrecking a country. A man drunk on the latest designer spirit isn’t any drunker than a Dutch sailor on Arrack in fifteenth century Goa.
There is something essential here that we used to know and we have allowed that knowledge to be ignored; we have aquiesced to strangers raising our children and allowed disinterested people to school them in useless knowledge and send them into the world ignorant of the things that make a nation rise or fall, that preserve its freedoms or destroy it entire.
We have to find a way to move outside of the comfort of things such as this blog and teach people the COST that must be paid for the choices they make.
A regime has won re-election in this country by winning the minds of people who don’t appear to have one.
I fear I am rambling to no effect. Understanding what is going on in the world today is like trying to chart the currents in a washing machine.
#20 Josh
Not an official historian anywhere, but more aware of history than most. WW-II is my strongest area and I have had a period of specialization in the attack on Pearl Harbor and the lead up to it. It is a long story, but as the result of a challenge by a fellow writer to in the 1980′s [back when I was writing for professional military journals], I spent 6 months developing an operational plan positing me being in the position of the Chief of Staff of the Imperial Japanese Navy [RADM Shigeru Fukudome]. Using the resources AND ONLY THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO HIM AT THE TIME] to start on Feb. 1, 1942, and bring the war to a successful conclusion on Japanese terms by September 1, 1942. I did it. It was passed to a professional Navy wargamer, and he approved of it and they told me that it was added to the thousands of scenarios they have at the Naval War College to throw at wanna-be admirals. As the result of that, I was invited to take part in another professional wargame based on contemporary events.
Wo3 de5 ma1 he2 ta1 de5 feng1kuang2 de5 wai4sheng5 dou1, and the author of that TIME piece is one of them. I will grant that the Soviets had agents working Japan. Not surprising in that they had a shooting war in 1938-39, plus a certain amount of Russia -v- Japan history in the early 1900′s. But the dynamic that led to Pearl Harbor started with the Japanese Meiji Constitution and the role of the Army in it.
The trigger was what is ignored by Roosevelt’s hagiographers because it is a geo-strategic blunder of enormous magnitude. Mind you, as usual our crack State Department was as blind as bats to reality [200+ years of consistent stupidity. Keith Laumer was generous to them] also, which did not help.
From July 26-August 1, 1941; Roosevelt orchestrated an oil embargo with the Dutch East Indies and the United States against Japan. In the absence of oil imports from the US and the DEI, Japan would be totally out of oil for its economy and military in 6 months. Japan was openly told to get out of China, or be starved. Roosevelt and our State Department thought that the Japanese would take that as a fait accompli and publicly back down.
He [and State] assumed that:
a) the Japanese government was akin to western governments, with the military totally subordinate to the civil. His State Department totally ignored the special provisions of the Meiji Constitution that gave the Army veto power over the civil government, and the repeated use of that power.
b) he failed to comprehend that the Army’s actions in China had a dynamic that was totally outside civilian control. He ignored the assassinations of government officials who opposed that dynamic by Army officers throughout the 1930′s.
c) he judged that the Japan of the time would publicly surrender when pressed by outsiders, the way a Western government might yield on a point of contention and try to win again later. That was a total misreading of the Japanese culture of the time.
After exchanges of notes, Japan made its decision [at a Cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Konoye] on September 6 to prepare for war by October 15, and a final decision would be made at that time.
The only way that TIME’s thesis that the war with Japan was the result of a plot by Soviet intelligence could be true; would be if Franklin Roosevelt was a Soviet agent. Which I don’t believe, but the concept would put the fox in the historical henhouse, wouldn’t it?
Subotai Bahadur
12. Mark
>> Nothing exists except as created by God. Therefor Sin was created by God. Explain it to Job.
Blast From the Past: Did God create himself? And learn the freewill defense dude. Historically Christians have not thought that God created sin. They still don’t.
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The chief end of man is to Glorify God by/and enjoy(ing) him forever.
God could have created men such that they had no choice but to glorify Him. However, of what value would that honor and praise be? It would be no better than the praise of a sock puppet.
Therefor God gave men the power to choose so that their glorification and Honor of God would be real.
“Why is evil seemingly unkillable?”
I would offer these thoughts for consideration.
Every generation provides a harvest of men and women who place their self-interest before any other consideration.
Genesis advances the notion that mankind has taken on the ‘knowledge’ of good and evil without the requisite ability to always know, which is which. And thus, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.
Evil may also be God’s ‘shadow’. In a dualistic universe, the presence of absolute good would inescapably manifest its opposite. Explaining why God only appears to Adam and Eve in the evening, when there are no shadows…
Finally, in keeping with the above, the word evil, when reversed spells live. And if evil isn’t the reverse of God or ‘life immortal’… what is?
Its worth noting that all the great killers of the 20th century were aethists–including Hitler Stalin and Mao. But that list also include Pol Pot and Saadam Hussein. The Baathists parties of Iraq and Sryia are both the communist parties of the Middle east. They were not honest atheists like stalin and mao but like Hitler dressed themselves up in the myths of their culture. Still they were atheists.
It feels like the title should be, “Bleeding From THE Behind”.
sb @ 25: here’s the thrust of the article, that FDR was going to take it easy-er on the Japanese the the Soviet pressure convinced him to be (too) harsh with the results we saw. FTA:
From his perch in the Treasury Department, White had become closely acquainted with the key figures in FDR’s administration. He knew, for instance, that Stanley Hornbeck, the State Department’s expert on Asia, hated the Japanese and believed that Asians were naturally timid and easily bluffed. And White wielded enormous influence with his boss, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthal Jr., whose personal friendship with the president made him the most powerful member of the cabinet.
Skillfully manipulating Morgenthau and Hornbeck, White was able to turn U.S. policy toward Japan in an increasingly belligerent direction. When FDR almost agreed to relax a U.S. oil embargo in return for Japan’s gradual evacuation of China, White drafted a hysterical letter for Morgenthau’s signature:
To sell China to her enemies for the thirty blood-stained coins of gold, will not only weaken our national policy in Europe as well as the Far East, but will dim the bright luster of America’s world leadership in the great democratic fight against Fascism.
Instead of compromising, the United States demanded that Japan withdraw from China immediately, neutralize Manchuria, and sell three-quarters of its military and naval production to the U.S.
Perceiving the demand as an insult and a threat, the skittish Japanese government concluded that war was inevitable. They moved ahead with a contingency plan for an attack on the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, and Stalin, thanks to Harry Dexter White, were spared a war on his eastern flank.
As blert said above, at most this was pushing on an open door because FDR had various reasons for wanting to enter the war anyway.
So I review the versions of the story I’ve been exposed to since high school in the 1960s:
* The Japanese attacked the US for no apparent reason except that they were nasty buggers along with their Axis buddies (this was basically the high school version, IIRC).
* Maybe there was something about US pressure on their oil supplies that gave them a pretext, the sneaky devils.
* Maybe FDR expected and desired an attack and so ignored signs (or even exact foreknowledge) that Pearl Harbor was about to be attacked.
and now:
* Japan’s domestic situation was more chaotic and violent than perhaps we were assuming.
* The US pressure on Japan was actually very harsh and unrealistic.
* The US pressure on Japan was ratcheted up by (secret?) Soviet encouragement.
At that point, the margin between FDR being a dupe and FDR being completely aware of the source of all opinions, begins to fade to nothing.
Then one wants to indulge in alternate histories, what if the US allowed Japan to pull out of China and there was no Pacific War between us. Let us say we managed to enter WWII on the side of Britain anyway, making us de-facto allies with the USSR. Maybe Japan keeps Taiwan, Korea, and the Philippines, or tries, while our attention is on the European war. The US Pacific fleet mostly departs intact for Europe. US forces focus visibly on Europe. I guess the question is how does this work out for the Soviet interests of the time, much less those of the US, Britain, and France, etc.
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I also appreciate blert pointing out one aspect of the Time story that I think was bothering me, that it shows the US helping save the USSR, which is normally not how it is told even today. I’d say it also tilts towards all wars being accidental, foolish, mislead, mistakes, and obviously we should therefore never prepare for fighting nor heaven forefend fight a war, the very notion being atavistic.
“60. MachiasPrivateer
Peter Boston @ 58 – I believe that if you go to the archive here at BC, you will see that just about one year ago, I was one of the few who thought that the “White” Russians would take to the streets of Moscow with “pitchforks and torches” and resist “Vlad the Implarer II”, our little trouble maker in the ME, Pootie-Poo himself!”
Rome was not built in a day.”
“So who are we really criticizing here at BC? Red Russians or “White”?”
Peter Boston may slightly exagerrate the spread of Orthodox piety throughout Russia, but it nonetheless is there, like yeast in the dough, ready to rise when the Western materialism Solzhenitysn foresaw in the 1970s already had an expiration date runs its course.
This is why the P-ssy Riot episode and the response of some to it here was instructive. Those who cared more about making their points against ‘Pootie Poo’ than respecting the religious freedom of others not to be made props in someone’s play exposed themselves.
It’s the same with the New Republic article where Julia Ioffe writes obligingly to D.C.’s chattering class of ‘Russia’s Gun Nuts’. Shouldn’t every red blooded conservative American welcome the fact that there are Russians who want to break their government’s oft-abused monopoly on force, but do it in a peaceful and law abiding manner rather than through revolution? But no…mocking Russians, any Russians, and inserting Putin into an issue to which he has never to my knowledge given public utterance is all that matters to the New Republic’s editors and the poor souls in Russia who simply give the dogs of D.C. the bones that they want.
Ms. Ioffe is essentially paid to write about how horrible everything in Moscow is, and apparently does so now from a safe distance. The pyscho-sexual/money envy rage of many a Western (and particularly female) journalist in Russia is well documented. After all regardless of gender a Western journo in Moscow is surrounded by people, many of them not speaking English with no obvious education, nonetheless enjoying life and living much better than they do on almost all but the top bureau chiefs’ salaries — driving Bumers, wearing Swarovski watches, and in the middle aged men’s case, out with runway model second wives on their arm despite the shaved head and growing belly.
Why would they not rail against so unjust a state? Certainly if foreign journalists didn’t fear being fired by their editors back home they might tell the truth about how increasingly obese and entitled the womenfolk in D.C. are, how crime ridden America’s capital is, and how mediocre and often stupid the personalities that run it. But you don’t hear that, do you?
In other words, the proof of BAD FAITH rather than genuine concern for liberty in Russia as well as at home or anywhere in the world on the part of the Demintern is all around us. If you doubt this, look at how much less press Morsi’s crimes are receiving than Mubarak’s.
Or to bring it back to Russia, see self described author ‘On Russophobia’ University of Houston Professor Craig Pirrong’s ludicrous pro-Establishment rant where he compares Ron Paul supporters to the genocidal Cambodian Khmer Rouge.
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=5898
And what was done with the Khmer Rouge? Well they were put on trial and some were sentenced to death for their crimes. Hence, not all of the ‘eliminationist’ rhetoric in this country at present is coming from the so-called Left against the Right. Some is coming from the fake, globalist, atheistic and controlled Right against the genuine patriotic Constitutionalist Right.
http://reginaldquillbigsis.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/stanislav-mishin-warns-americans-against-signing-secession-petitions-and-falling-for-hegelian-civil-war-dialect/
It’s why Pirrong’s Twitter buddy @ReginaldQuill is calling Paul and his supporters ‘neoConfederates’. Someone clearly wants a new Andersonville to be constructed to put all the alleged KKK members who plead they just want to keep their guns and their Constitution in it.
http://reginaldquillbigsis.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/do-i-worry-about-reginaldquill-no-way-i-worry-what-quill-represents/
And this is what I’ve been warning Belmont Clubbers for quite some time. The globalists have already co-opted the GOP and now they’re neutering a once raucous conservative movement down to a dying whimper, with the Ann Coulters nervously eyeing their talking points of surrender to Obama. If we ever do get a real police state in America, mark my words many of your ‘friends’ from the local GOP or people noisily proclaiming their allegiance to liberty now will be among the globalist collaborators ratting on their neighbors shortly. (Think of how preppy and Republican the mayor collaborating with the Soviets looked in Red Dawn…except contrary to J.R. Ny-quill or Steve Quayle it won’t be Russians invading America but foreign mercs and swarms of drones).
For the record, no, not everyone who comes here to critique American foreign policy as Oceania eternally at war with Eurasia or Eastasia is a plant from abroad. Wretchard if he so pleased could check the IP addresses and verify this.
But it’s interesting that whenever the subject of D.C. Statist/BigSis worshipping plants is raised, the ‘Lubyanka’ theme is pushed all the harder. Coincidence? I think not. There are some Right dupes who worship power and are too stupid to realize that they’ll be the first ones that the hardcore fascists/commies whatever you want to call them dream of liquidating after they’ve got our guns. The fact that they won’t get all our guns and that eventually their ponzi schemes will fail and NOT lead to the desired outcome of a one world police state poised and ready to welcome her ungodly king has not occurred to the globalzis. They keep moving along, as on diabolical strings.
BaoBao seems a bit unhinged for my money though the syntax suggests yes, he might be mainland Chinese. I understand why the Chinese have a chip on their shoulder (as do post 1990s Western backed looting Russians) even as I don’t have to agree with the mentality. After all if you dig deep enough you’ll find Chairman Mao got some serious support from the West both against the Japanese and immediately afterward from the globalists who wanted Chiang Kaishek dumped.
No my friends, the plants just say, ‘Go back to sleep. Spending a trillion plus on military a year is awesome! Those 30,000 authorized drones are for hajis and not for you!’
And before anyone accuses me of being OT, we were discussing genocide and elminitionist rhetoric that leads up to it.
http://reginaldquillbigsis.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/do-i-worry-about-reginaldquill-no-way-i-worry-what-quill-represents/
EOT for me. Go back to your eternal Cold War talking points fellas while the banksters steal your military pensions and your VA care so they can fund a couple more wars with Syria and Iran.
32- DON’T call me BaoBao.
The Seventh Seal
Let us now return to the mainstream of the prophecy, back to the seals. The 7th seal, remember, has still to be opened. The Seventh Seal is divided into seven sub-sections, each introduced by a Trumpet blast. The seven Trumpets, in other words, constitute the seventh seal; they are the seventh seal in terrifying detail.
Rev.8: 1: And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2: And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev.8: 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev.8: 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Rev.8: 10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11: And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Rev. 8 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev.9: 1: And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2: And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. . . .
6: And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Why is there evil in the world?
“To thicken the plot.”
The Sixth Trumpet: the Second Woe
Rev.9: 12: One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
13: And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14: Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15: And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16: And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17: And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18: By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
The Seventh Trumpet …The Third Woe
Revelation 11: 15: And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16: And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17: Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18: And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19: And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev.13: 1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9: If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[We humans have fought the Great Battle since the beginning, friends. Evil has always been powerful -- think of the great slaughter of the Hindu in the moslem conquest of India, for an historic example of millions slain.]
Blert
Roosevelt and Churchill cleverly by-passed the US “isolation” forced by the american congress, by inviting the US to replace the Brits in Iceland, thus to control the sea lanes and to escort the “merchandises” ships to UK, Hitler was pushed into the war against the US following the many “incidents”
“With the outbreak of the War in Europe President Roosevelt sought to support the Allies (September 1939), although he was constrained by the Neutrality Acts. The Fall of France brought the question of support for Britain to the fore. Here President Roosevelt had to consider if Britain could or would defy the NAZIs. Once the British made it clear they could and would, President Roosevelt initiated a rangeof effors including the shipment of needed war material nd the Bases for Dstroyers deal. This culminated in Lend Lease with essentially commited the United States to financing the British war effort. But obtining war material in America was only important if it could be transported to Britain. Thus passage of Lend Lease set in motion another step in American support for Britain, to what extent will the United States protect the trans-Atlantic convoys to Britain.”
“Britain had occupied Iceland at the time that the Germans launced their Western offensive (May 1940). Churchill ws not prepared to risk a posible German invasion, however, remote. Iceland provided important air bases to protect Atlantic convoys. Churchill was anxious for the Americans to replace British forces. Not only did he want to redeploy the units, but American occupation of Iceland would be one more step in drawing America into the War. Iceland was located well east of the American Western Hemisphere Security Zone. It also would put American forces in the middle of waters where U-boats wee actively attacking convoys. American and British military staff in joint discussions agreed that if America entered the War that they woud assume responsibility for Iceland. Admiral Stark advised the President that the United States should replace the British forces. He convinced the President who by this time had concluded that the America public would coutence such steps as long as they were short of war. The President insisted that the Icelandic Government formally invite American intervention. The Icelandic Government did so (July 1). The President then announced that the United States would supplement or replace the British forces on the island (July 7). The President ordered the Marines to Iceland. The Mries were chosen because the Army forces being ofrmed as aresult of the Selective Serive Act at the time could not be deployed outsde he Western Hemisphere. The Marines were all volunteers without this legal restriction on their deployment. Hitler had kept his U-boats out of the American Western Hemisphere Security Zone. Now President Roosevelt had moved American forces further east in the middle of the area where he Royal Navy was batteling U-boats. Incidents between the U,S. Naby and German U-bots were inevitable. ”
“Escorting convoys meant that America was entering an undecalred naval war with Germany in the North Atlantic. The first U.S. freighter, the Robin Moor was torpedoed by a German U-boat and sunk May 21. The lifeboats were found June 10. Hitler was still intent on keeping America out of the War, especially as he was about to invade the Soviet Union, and ordered Doenitz’s U-boats to avoid all U.S. warships. The U.S. destroyer Greer on September 4 attacked the U-652, eluded 2 torpedos. FDR on September 11 declared Greer attack was “piracy” as was the August 17 sinking of U.S.-Panamanian freighter Sessa killing 24 of 27 crew. Little discussed in the press was the fact that the United States and helped set of flag of convenience registrations in Panama to circuvent provisions of the Neutrality Acts. FDR also protested the September 5 sinking of U.S. freighter Steel Seafarer clearly flying U.S. flag. He gave the Navy orders to “shoot-on-sight”. A Gallup poll showed 62 percent of Americans approved the deeping involvement in the War. The U.S. freighter Montana on September 11 was sunk en route to Iceland, but no one was killed. The armed U.S.-Panamanian freighter Pink Star sunk en route to Iceland carrying food. U.S.-Panamanian oil tanker I.C. White was sunk on September 27 en route to South Africa, three people were killed. U.S. tanker W.C. Teagle was sunk and U.S.-Panamanian freighter Bold Venture were sunk sunk on October 16. The U.S. destroyer Kearny on October 17 was torpedoed and damaged with 11 killed inside the Security Zone. The U.S. freighter Lehigh on October 19 was sunk in South Atlantic. Oct. 30 – U.S.-Panamanian armed tanker Salinas on October 30 was torpedoed and damaged. The U.S. destroyer Reuben James was torpedoed abd sunk inside the Security Zone on October 31, 115 crew members were killed. It was first U.S. warship lost to the U-boats. America well before Pearl Harbor was involved in an undeclared naval war with Germany. Hitler’s frustration with this war, was one reason he declared war on America after Pearl Harbor. ”
“The “incident” that President Roosevelt expected to come in the North Atlantic. Public opinion polls showed that while the American people were willing tofollow the President in “all acts short of war”, tey were clearly not disposed to go to warcagainst Germany as aresult of attacks on American shipping. President Roosevelt was reaching the conclusion that only an actual attack on American territory would create support for American entry into the War. This was not something that Hitler would order, nor did he have the capability of doing this. Japan did and it was in the Pacific that the attack came. Hitler in the end decided to declare war on America. Hiler like Roosevelt left no memoirs explaining his actios. Historians still debate why he took this action. It was not required under the Axis Tripartate Treaty which was a defensive alliance. Having failed to defeat first Britain and now the Soviet Union as anticipated, declaring waron America seems an insane act. It defies his basuic strategy of conquering Europe and only then turning on America. Some historians believe that by joining Japan in the war with America that he expected the Japanese to reciprocate by entering the war against the Soviet Union. This is not unlikely. It is also likely that the cat-and-mouse game in the North Atlantic had weigned heavily on Hitler’psyche. His mind set was to strike out at his enemies. The failure of Barbarossa must have been a huge blow to him. Hitler’s frustration with being forced to restrict his U-boats was one reason he declared war on America after Pearl Harbor. We suspect that he coould no longer restrain his desire to strike out at Roosevelt and the Americans. It was an emotional rather than a reasoned action. Whatever the reason, it relieved Roosevelt of the need to convince the Congress to declare war on NAZI Germany.”
http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/cou/us/pr/41/unw.html
Blert, Subotai, and Josh, also remember that FDR had OK’d the Flying Tigers (AVG) in 1939 and Americans were in direct air combat with Japan by 1941. War was a good probability.
Subotai #25:
Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent, or at least someone they found they could use. Confirmed by the Venona intercepts.
Blert #22: Minor point, but the Pentagon was not built until 1943.
T2costkeeper #39: The Flying Tigers did not first see combat until 20 Dec 1941. They were relative latecomers to the party compared to the guys at Pearl Harbor, Wake Island, and the Phillipines. It is true that Chennault himself and a variety of international Soldier of Fortune types were fighting in China for some time before that, but they were not officially sanctioned by the US Govt.
#25
He [and State] assumed that:….
Interestingly(!), seems that something similar could be observed today (if anyone bothered to look): just substitute “Iran” for “Japan”. (Oh yes, there are some differences, no doubt.)
#27
Explaining why God only appears to Adam and Eve in the evening, when there are no shadows…
Fascinating; but what might be the references for such a conjecture? (Or is it a midrash?)
Also, fully realizing your name is “Britain”, I didn’t realize that God spoke English (even if the KJ would seems to indicate that if he didn’t, he sure should have).
#38
…Britain had occupied Iceland at the time that the Germans launced their Western offensive (May 1940)…”
Um, well yes, but not quite (though I realize you’re quoting from the link). Some context is called for.
Iceland up until the onset of WWII was a Danish colony. When the Nazis overran Denmark (in April 1940—there’s that date!), England had to make a decision: take over Iceland or take the risk that the Nazis would occupy it, which they almost certainly would have done. (Given Iceland’s enormous—and essential—strategic value, both as a weather station and as an asset in the Battle of the Atlantic, it really wasn’t too hard a decision.)
“Why is evil seemingly unkillable”
evil is like water. it can change it’s form in an instance. it can evaporate and come back solid. it can be slippery and fluid. that’s why it is so good at hiding behind or among things.
Ok, Wretchard….I’m finally breaking down with a post…
For many, many years now, I have enjoyed reading your work (and all the other posters) — going back to the days of Doppelganger (sp?) and Desert Rat even…
What pushed me to post? “The Four Horsemen have started a rodeo down in the Middle East…” Just about had my beverage sprayed all over the keyboard…
I’ll go back to my lurking and quiet enjoyment of your work now…
16. David
Bingo! You don’t have to be an Ashkenazi nor a genius to “get it.” You do however, have to be paying attention, and scoop up just a dollop of humility on your way to understanding.
There is no reason to believe that the children and grandchildren of the Ivy League elitists at the State Department of the Thirties and Forties are any less delusional than were their forebears. Nor is there any reason to believe that there are any fewer communists or fellow travellers today than in the Thirties and Forties. It is entirely likely that the then “smartest people in the World” believed that their various pressures on Japan would shape Japanese policy towards more benign ends just as today’s “smartest people in the World” believe that their various nudges in the MENA will shape Islamic policy towards more benign and democratic ends.
The Ivies were the locus of religiously based do-gooderism from the mid-19th Century which led to a series of pestilential “isms” throughout the Century. They morphed into a more secular and statist do-gooderism by the turn of the Century as exemplified by TR, Wilson, Hoover, and FDR. By the Twenties, the Ivies were the locus of first home-grown communist influences and from the establishment of the USSR increasingly Soviet influenced communism. With FDR’s recognition of the USSR and the establishment of an embassy and consulates, the Nation’s univerities became a playground for the NKVD and GRU. The Soviet Consulate in SF turned Berkeley into a playground and ran most of the aerospace and atomic espionage using assets recruited there.
I don’t accept the premise that the Pearl Harbor attack was a Soviet operation. I believe the record is just too clear that Stalin was totally surprised and by and totally unprepared for the German attack. It is simply not credible that the Soviets could mount a successful operation to bring the US into the war against Japan to ease the pressure on the Soviet rear in the few months between the German attack and Pearl Harbor. That said, I certainly believe that the agents, fellow travellers, and communist/Soviet sympathizers inside the FDR government, of which there were very many, would have been actively urging the Administration to enter the War in aid of the Soviets. After all, every union and leftist movement in the World went from isolationism or solidarity with the German-Soviet alliance to “Second Front Now” overnight on June 22, 1941.
From this great distance we can see how the nudges of US policy provoked Japan and really gave it little alternative but to either surrender its sovereignty and imperial goals to US/British pressure or attack the US to relieve that pressure. Likewise somebody looking back on these times will see how the do-gooder notions at State, pushed along by some openly communist influences as well led to the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran, and a renewed war of Muslim conquest after a sullen peace since the late 1500s. But right now, the “smartest people in the World” don’t seem to be able to see it.
And as an aside, any Republican elected official who’d hire someone from the Ivies or the Left Coast elite schools in a position to know anything about or participate in the formulation of policy is simply out of their mind. The only exception might be if the person was related to you or if you’d known the family for generations. Note I said it MIGHT be an exception.
While the idea that Stalin could have engineered the Pearl Harbor attack is intriguing, one major problem is that while he had a spy, Richard Sorge, in place. Sorge was not an agent of influence. And if you remember, Sorge was one of the sources who passed along a warning of the coming German invasion – which Stalin took for a British provocation.
Having fought two victorious clashes with Japan, at Lake Khasan and at Nomonhan/Khalkin Gol, Stalin sertainly had reason to be concerned about the Japanese, and during the first six months of the German invasion, he withdrew far fewer military forces from the Far East than is generally believed. It may well have been the crushing defeat of the Kwngtung Army at Nomonhan, that was another decisive factor in influencing the Japanese to choose the Navy’s Pacific strategy instead of the Army’s China land strategy.
Another curious wrinkle concerns the Flying Tigers. Officially they were designated as the First American Volunteer Group. Their political sponsor was not Dexter White, but Lauchlin Currie, another of FDR’s inner circle. A key thing here is that The 1 AVG only reached China and entered combat after Pearl Harbor, as RWE mentions. But there had been unfulfilled plans that there was to have been a two more groups the 2 AVG and 3 AVG founded. One of those groups was to have been a Pursuit Group like the Flying Tigers, but the other was to have been a Bomber Group, equipped with Lockheed A-28/Hudson aircraft intended to firebomb Japanese cities. Such an action would certainly have drawn Japan more deeply into the Chinese and/or American campaign, and away from another attack on The Soviet Union. Currie was another Soviet Agent and fled to South America rather than testify to Congress.
And Barry Meislin @41, it seems obvious to me that God Speaks fluently ALL languages … because He is God. It would be hubris to even guess which language is His favorite, though I think arguments can be made that it is NOT Hunnic, or Amalekite, or Mayan, since He was quite content to let them go extinct.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned Kissinger’s quote, “It’s too bad they both can’t lose.”
Barry…
WRT Iceland.
In a weird fluke of fate, a school chum of mine was Danish-American.
His father was a member of the Danish Monarch’s protection platoon — which scooted him out ahead of the German invasion by mere minutes.
It was off to England for the lot of them, monarch in the van.
It was at the request of the Danes that Britain keep the Germans out of Iceland.
Like the Dutch East Indies, Britain did not capriciously occupy the colonies and territories of her allies.
That’s the reason why there was no Icelandic uproar when the RN showed up — nor when the USMC showed up with its first overseas deployment of WWII. Yeah, it wasn’t Guadalcannal.
http://www.mca-marines.org/leatherneck/article/world-war-ii-70-years-ago-iceland-1941
In the above article, the author mis-states that Dutch troops were in Churchill’s review. The tiny contingent was Danish. No doubt the Americans mistook Danish for Dutch. For, outside of the royal guard, the Danish Army was captured, entire.
As you might imagine, once Iceland became the only Danish territory not under German occupation, the King dispatched his boys, even if they were nothing but a fig-leaf.
Anyhow, my buddy’s dad couldn’t wait to get out of Iceland as the weather turned sour. He managed to get himself all the way around the world to the Dutch East Indies. This made him one of the few to serve in both major theaters of the war — as a trooper in the ranks.