Doug Ross has put the “Wayback Machine Internet Archive” to good use and discovered that the Dystel agency is almost certainly lying about the origins of the section in Barack Obama’s author bio claiming that he was “born in Kenya.”
When the bizarre fact was uncovered earlier this week, agent Miriam Goderich furiously backpedaled and stated that the Kenyan birth claim was simply a “fact-checking error.” Luckily, such an error could be corrected in the next edition. Whew!
Except, well, it wasn’t. As Doug Ross carefully documents, Obama (or at least his ghostwriters) repeatedly edited the biographical sketch for 17 years, altering many significant details, and in all that time, the line “born in Kenya” remained intact. That is, until, by sheer coincidence, in the spring of 2007 when Obama declared his run for the presidency, at which point the entry was suddently changed to read that he was born in Hawaii.
As Ross says,
Sometime between April 3rd and April 21st, a member of the Obama campaign staff (or Obama himself) noticed the discrepancy in birthplace that would presumably disqualify the Senator from office.
The immutability of the bio’s “born in Kenya” claim despite numerous edits has been noted by others already, but Ross’s post is the first time that it has been clearly documented with irrefutable screenshots and links.
I’m no birther (I’m convinced Obama was in fact born in Hawaii), but I think this scandal is significant anyway, because it proves that Obama lied about his heritage to give himself more “exotic” origins, in order to score more PC Points.
Bookworm Room has come up with a very interesting theory that Obama was relying on Affirmative Action policies to get into a California college, but the 1978 Bakke Decision ruined his plans, so to get around the new ban on Affirmative Action he concocted an identity as a foreign-born student, which would have given him a leg-up into California colleges, even after Bakke came into effect. He may have lied on his college application that he was born in Kenya, and once that worked, he realized that a foreign birth was the ticket to ever more privileges throughout his academic career, so he kept the lie going — that is, until the day he decided to run for president, when he realized the lie would disqualify him for office.
(Also see Roger Simon’s The Mystery of the Kenyan Birth.)
The scandal is not that Obama was actually born in Kenya, but rather that he lied for his entire adult life about being born in Kenya, for personal gain.
Joe Wilson had it right all along: Obama is a liar. And those who defend him turn themselves into liars as well.
…he lied for his entire adult life about being born in Kenya in order to exploit real academic and professional privileges for foreign-born applicants and to leap-frog ahead of others with better professional qualifications.
There, that’s fixed. So, the fake Kunta Kinte has a seat next to Fauxcahontas in the pantheon of exotic ethnic contendahs.
He’s a shape-shifting panther too.
Additionally, he’s too empty and contemptuous to realize that people might care.
Good job, as always, zombie.
He’d gotten away with it for so long that he assumed he could get away with it forever.
And in point of fact, my liberal friends continue to say that they are totally uninterested in any evidence of his deceit, his extremist history, his worse-than-useless “community organizing”, etc.
Does this story not dovetail nicely with the President’s assertion to Reverend Wright that “the problem with [Wright] is that [he] has to tell the truth”? Speaking of which, is that quote not important on two levels–first, it suggests the President lies, and second, the President apparently believes Wright speaks the truth.
Excellent point. Disturbing on multiple levels — like Obama himself.
At this point in time I wonder if even Obambi knows where he was born?
This is also related to why Obama said “My Muslim faith” to George Stephanopolous. I have never head anyone ever mistakenly identify their own faith. I’m not saying he is a Muslim, but that he has many different identities sloshing around in that cranial echo chamber.
I think it would be more correct to say we do not have enough evidence to decide where he was actually born. My opinion is that he was not born in the US, but this really should go to court.
I’m very curious about that Georgia judge, and why he caved so totally on this issue.
This absolutely should not go to court. There’s no good outcome from that. Either the courts say Obama is a natural born citizen and we look like a bunch of petty conspiracy theorists, making it that much harder to actually oust him, or they say he isn’t qualified for the Presidency and we wind up in a Constitutional crisis. What would happen to the Presidential appointees over the last three years (including GOFOs)? What about all the legislation signed? Not the least of which would be the debt ceiling extension. Are there now trillions of US Treasury bills that are no longer valid? That’s why the judge in Georgia passed on this. This can is worms all the way down.
Our best bet is to point out what a mendacious, vacuous, inarticulate idiot Obama is and vote him out in November. Obama isn’t the worst President we’ve had, though he’s in the top 4. The Republic has survived worse. What it hasn’t survived is trying to declare a mulligan on an entire Presidential term.
on this matter, and the only recourse for the country is to vote the liar out, what happens if Obama isn’t voted out?
Chaos, that’s what.
The highly (and needlessly) feared constitutional crisis and its far-reaching consequences are much to be preferred. The filth and offal of this administration will be flushed and flow into a vast, reeking sewer where it, and he, belong.
Jeff, you speak the TRUTH! Every time someone says “IMPEACH” or “Indict him for TREASON” I attempt to explain that by doing this they are crediting him with actually BEING a “President” – he is not. It doesn’t take a “birther” (I prefer “vetter”) to figure out that this individual has an entirely FICTIONAL life. He usurped the Office of POTUS and to indict him is giving him credit where it is not due. My hope is that he will get the boot in November and he will be arrested immediately following the 2013 inauguration. He will have to be tried in a Civilian Criminal Court for silly things like “Wire Fraud” maybe even felony fraud for the forged BC and for using Harrison J. Bounel’s CT SS#… But not for Treason or High Crimes and Misdemeanor’s… Dude needs to be at Ryker’s, NOT Leavenworth & sadly, NOT Gitmo.
To say that the court determining him ineligible would be triggering a constitutional crisis is like saying a doctor’s diagnosis will trigger a cancer. If he is in fact ineligible, the constitutional crisis is in progress. Granted, having the crisis affirmed by the court might force congress and the courts to put in some overtime to fix the mess. Yes, tough decisions might have to be made for once and it may even cut into their golf games. It is the job they asked for. Burying one’s head in the sand is not a solution and the bliss of ignorance is fleeting.
Wow, this is not going to end well. Barry and crew should be worried that his cheerleaders, the MSM, don’t care about this, they don’t care about where he was born, only that he has a good tan, is far left, and went to Harvard. If they cared about him they’d be urging him to address this bit of creative writing and they’d still be there for him. I don’t hear anyone defending him. They don’t care if he’s a liar, only that he has power. When the Supremes rule against ObamaCare, if the election does not go his way, heck even Oprah won’t offer him a slice of pie.
Just sayin’, friends don’t let friends bullsh!t forever. And it’s not attractive.
I never thought about it that way.
We’ve supposedly litigated the birth certificate, but we haven’t litigated Obama’s dishonesty. Let’s do so, in ads. People need to know the guy is a liar who changes masks every time his ambition grows.
Sounds like Romney, another great flip-flopper.
Romney is not eligible to be president as the law states they must be a “Natural born citizen” and he was born by c-section. That fact matters as much as where Obama thinks he was born – i.e. not much at all.
And you call yourself “True American?” This isn’t a JOKE, it’s serious fraud by an individual who has made it his mission (with help) to destroy OUR Republic. To make a mockery of such a serious issue makes you look like the TOOL you are.
Any historian who ignores this is not a historian.
Incindentally, I just got done going through some family records! and what do you know? *I* was born in Kenya too. Who knew?
I am also, of course, 1/32nd Cherokee.
Four thoughts:1) Are you going to believe your lying eyes or his publicist?
2) So far, neither Contentions nor the Weekly Standard have breathed a word of this. I could understand the LSM, but conservative sites not even raising the issuse to provide a plausible explanation? This stuff must be radioactive. I note that Mark Steyn on NRO has a piece on it. I didn’t think Lowry would have the stomach to allow it on NRO (especially after he fired John Derbyshire over nothing).
3) I’d like to see some states use the bio as an excuse to demand ironclad proof that Obama was born in Hawaii before they allow his name on the ballot.
4) Man, can Leftists lie and cheat. There was Ward Churchill who said he was a pre-Columbian indigenous native American (i.e., American Indian) there is Elizabeth Warren who says she’s 1/32 Cherokee, but the right fraction is 0/32nds, and now there is BHO who said he was born in Kenya until it was inconvenient, and who also tried to silence the “Reverend” Wright with $150K bribe in 2008. Of course, the LSM is either silent or has excuses for their chosen one.
Nothing on foxnews.com or nation.foxnews.com either.
Kenya dig it!
Winner of “Best Horrible Pun of the Day” award!
We are all Kenyans now.
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What the heck is the Wayback Machine of the internet?
If this duplicity is really so inept, it ought to be a fun way to give him his walking papers. You get to bust his chops about Hawaii and Kenya and not be called a birther.
Excellent.
It’s a Web site that archives each Web page as it looked at any particular date in history:
Wayback Machine
its name is a pun on the old “Simon and Mr. Peabody” cartoon from “Fractured Fairytales,” as I remember., which featured a “wayback machine” through which the characters could visit any moment in the past.
This has been a guess as to why all of his records have been sealed. He is a liar and a fraud. He claimed special benefits set aside for disadvantaged third world students and has felt entitled to do so his entire life. Scamming fraud.
Why are you convinced that Obama was born in Hawaii?
What evidence do you have for that conviction?
Breitbart was convinced; Roger Simon is convinced. Why?
Especially when Tim Adams has sworn that there is no Certificate of Live Birth for him in Honolulu?
Especially when Donald Vogt has demonstrated and sworn that the birth certificate the White House produced in April of last year is a forgery?
Why are you all so afraid to even contemplate that the man was not born in Hawaii? Why don’t you take these affidavits as evidence of the fact that there is no evidence for his birth in Hawaii? That one reason for the sealing of documents is to prevent the revelation of that simple truth?
The rational position to take is to say: We do not know where he was born.
He himself said he was born in Kenya and then he said he was born in Hawaii. Why start by saying: He falsely said he was born in Kenya? How can one say falsely when one doesn’t know where he was born. As I suggested elsewhere, he himself probably doesn’t know where he was born. So why should any of you pundits be so sure?
Why take his word for either birthplace? When the evidence comes in, if there is ever to be any evidence, then you will know.
I think the reason you are afraid to surrender the conviction is because you are terrified to contemplate the implication of the fact that a totally evil person has usurped this government. Well, start contemplating because the longer you put it off, the worse it will be when you are finally forced to face up to the truth of it. The man is not just a liar. He is evil. The very fact that his records have been sealed and that he has thwarted any attempt to know anything of significance about him is evidence of how wicked he is. Whether the matter that is hidden is incriminating or not is not so important as the fact that he won’t permit examination, that he refuses to play the game fairly. That is breaking all the rules of American government. That is evil.
I find it extraordinary and quite worrisome that the conservative bloggers are so fearful to look the truth in the eye. I am reminded of the scenes in the documentary Dachau in which Jews were told what awaited them – when men by the sides of the railroad tracks made motions to indicate death, when women were told just before being gassed – and noone believed what they were being told. They didn’t believe because they didn’t want to. But also, because they couldn’t believe – they couldn’t believe that people could be so evil. Those people in the ghettoes who could believe ran to the forests and saved themselves. Those who couldn’t believe, behaved like good trusting citizens – and they were murdered.
Because I held in my own hands an August 1961 Honolulu Star-Bulletin which had his birth announcement in it. There’s no question that the listing exists and that it was placed shortly after his birth. It seems to me that the odds of his mother concocting a Big Lie about her son’s birthplace within a week of him being born is a much more unlikely scenario than the more reasonable conclusion that she gave birth in Hawaii and naturally put the ad in a Honolulu newspaper. The alternate explanation is much more far-fetched. That’s why I lean toward the Hawaii-birth explanation.
Most people didn’t dig out the 1961 Hawaii newspapers. I did. Tactile facts make an impression.
Zombie old man you just don’t read all that well. Here are some verifiable facts that we DO know. 1. In Hawaii anyone can have the birth announcement put into the paper because in days gone by many babies were born in the parent’s home. 2. Obama has listed two hospitals as his place of birth. 3. The fact that the announcement was placed into the paper has no meaning other than someone placed it there. There is no motive for doing so other than to announce Obama’s birth. That actually isn’t even true since the newspaper does not verify the information they receive and will print anything they are given. So that means that Obama could have been born many days or weeks before it appeared in the paper. 4. There still has been no birth certificate presented in its original form with the raised water mark. 5. The fact that all of his history identifying records have been sealed. Why? Has there ever been any other president in our nations history that has done anything like this? No Zombie, you are deluding yourself with your simple
defense of this liar and his made up persona.
What’s the theory that puts a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham 18yo in Kenya in or before Aug 1961?
When did she go? Why did she go?
We know she was in school in HI through may 1961 and six month pregnant by then. So how credible is it that a pregnant girl would fly from HI to Kenya around her due date, especially in 1961 and for what reason?
And we also know that she started attending another college in Seattle in Sept 1961. So not only did she fly to Kenya for some unknown reason but then immediately after giving birth flew back to HI and then onto Seattle?
That’s just to incredible of a narrative to believe with solid evidence and an explanation of why she did it.
In 1961 when Obama was born the first wave of the civil rights movement was being vigorously fought. The segregationists slogan was (unofficially) “Would you want your sister to marry one?” The sexual revolution was also just barely a gleam in the media’s eye — basically there was a lot of loose sex (eg. JFK’s sexual exploits in the White House) but it was so unthinkable that this sort of thing could be made public that people who privately rejected the old sexual codes were very often still terrified of having what they had done made public knowledge.
The older generation — the Dunham parents, who would have made the arrangements for Obama’s birth because his mother was so young, were all too familiar with the whispering campaigns of the 1930′s and 40′s that spontaneously erupted when a young woman was thought to have had an illegitimate child, and for that child to be mixed race would just have made it ten times worse. These campaigns had real consequences: loss of any job or job prospects unless the woman moved away and changed her name, friends and maybe even family refusing to associate with her any more, a silence falling over the room when the woman entered it, and no real prospect of a good marriage inside the circle of friends she had grown up with (even if the groom didn’t object, his close female relatives probably would, excluding him from future family gatherings, inheritances, etc. etc.).
Of course, young women still did get pregnant outside marriage. If abortion was off the table — and note that abortion was easiest if done within the law in a foreign country where it was permitted — the basic strategy was a “long vacation” just before the woman started to show, with a return after birth and the baby put up for adoption with the mother’s name kept in deep secrecy. It would be best if the birth occurred in a foreign country or outside a hospital, with a friendly obstetrician prepared to whisk the newborn away for adoption, no questions asked. People giving birth inside a hospital might be recognized, thus starting the deadly whispering campaign against the mother, and the nurses could easily be knowledgable enough to realize that Obama was a mixed race baby. All this would have been something the Dunhams desperately wanted to avoid.
Hence it is very easy to believe that the Dunhams arranged some sort of home birth for Obama, with the way all prepared for the birth certificate to be some sort of inaccurate, pro-forma type to facilitate adoption. Obama’s mother, though, decided to keep him, which meant all these precautions became unnecessary. However, they do explain why Obama’s birth certificate is irregular or even how he came to be born in a foreign country, then quickly flown back to Hawaii.
These considerations easily and plausibly explain why Obama’s true birth circumstances were covered up.
Obama himself may have gotten conflicting stories about where and when he was really born, and have no real way at this late date of finding out the truth, especially if his family members really didn’t like to talk about it (which would be an understandable attitude if various regulations had been broken to maintain secrecy — for example, Obama’s true birth date being off by several weeks on official forms, etc.) Since he doesn’t know himself, he might tend to take a casual attitude about author biographies and other things of that sort. Of course a conscientious person wouldn’t run for president if he didn’t know where and when he was born, but that’s not Obama…
I think you meant “raised seal” rather than “raised watermark.”
Zombie, old man. Why do you prefer to accept as evidence a notice in a newspaper to two sworn affidavits? Have you read the affidavits? And if you have not, then shame on you – to reject them without having read them.
Donald Vogt’s affidavit can be found by googling ‘Donald Vogt affidavit’. It is found at ScribD.com
The only place I could find the complete Tim Adam’s affidavit is at http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/tim-adams/ – a web site totally antogonistic to him. To evaluate him for yourself you can listen to an interview with him at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rcr/2011/04/01/reality-check-radio. Much of the basic information is covered in the first half hour.
If you don’t read the evidence then how can you claim any moral superiority to the Main Stream Media?
Your comments @ 16 above and here are a breath of fresh air in this musty out-house of lies.
I prefer the 1961 newspaper notice to the modern affidavits because the notice is what they call a “primary source,” whereas the affidavits are after-the-fact.
I’m really not that interested in anything produced after 1961, and especially not interested in anything produced since 2007.
This cuts both ways. The modern document which Hawaii displayed as his “birth certificate” is irrelevant and meaningless. But in the same fashion, the affidavits also prove nothing. Anything produced in the modern era could be forged or faked, and anybody could be lying. This applies to both sides of the argument.
ONLY primary sources contemporaneous with his birth will answer the question. So far, neither side has produced a definitive primary source. Obama’s defenders have produced no actual birth certificate dating to the time of his birth. Obama’s detractors have similarly failed to produce any 1961-era document proving he wasn’t born in Hawaii.
Thus we move to what might best be dubbed “ancillary primary sources,” of which the newspaper notice is the clearest example. Sure, it doesn’t prove anything, but Obama’s detractors have no equivalent primary document suggesting the opposite.
Imagine for a second that somebody found a notice printed in the Nairobi Times dated August 1961 saying that Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was born. You’d be jumping out of your skins with excitement that it was confirming evidence he was born in Kenya. And yet it would have no more probative value than the Honolulu Star-Bulletin announcement.
In the absence of any other significant primary source, all I have to go on is the newspaper notice, which tips the scales in my mind to a Hawaii-birth, since there is no contravening evidence.
But I’m open-minded: If some significant 1961-era primary source is discovered — Stanley Ann Dunham’s name on a passenger list for a flight to Africa, or a Kenyan birth notice of some kind, or a diary entry discussing a trip to Africa, or whatever — my opinion can change. Until such time, however, I’ll have to shrug and go with the obvious “Occam’s Razor” assumption.
May I ask you where you saw an original Aug. 14 1961 Honolulu Star Bulletin?
This is the first time I have ever heard anyone mention they have one or have seen one.
And did you know that you can receive $10,000. for that paper?
When I was researching this bombshell post in 2008, which made national headlines, I gained access to a major library’s storage archives. I don’t want to reveal which library, because I had to use my real name to get the day-pass and to check out the materials. After finding the Obama review of the Ayers book, I decided that since I was there and had access to one of the world’s most extensive collection of old newspapers, I might as well do a little side-reserch detour and check into this whole “was he born in Hawaii?” controversy, which at that time (Oct. 2008) was just becoming a hot-button issue. I found the old Honolulu Star-Bulletins, and checked out (for internal library usage only) every issue for the month after his birthdate, since I had already seen articles saying that his mother had placed a notice in the paper. I found the issue with his birth notice in it, and thought, “Oh well, that’s that, this controversy will soon be over,” and shrugged and returned the paper to the librarian, not thinking it would ever be of much importance, since other people had already seen the notice and there was no question that it existed.
I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that both Honolulu newspapers carried birth notices for Obama in 1961 — they can be found on microfiches in a few libraries around the country. My eyewitness experience of holding the actual paper is not really very important. The people who doubt Obama’s Hawaii birth concede that the notices exist, butt hey instead point out that the notices were never “fact-checked” at the time, and that anyone could buy a notice in a paper announcing a birth, whether it happened or not.
Well Zombie, did you compare what you saw in that paper with what had been posted online?
You are the single solitary individual that I have ever heard claim to have seen this paper.
I was aware that in the past, pre-2008, the two Honolulu papers kept archives of the actual papers, as well as microfilms. The public was allowed access, but no longer is. At least not to the old stuff.
Can’t you even tell us the state that has the holdings? I’m so curious now.
This entire birth certificate debacle is yet another leftover from the 2008 McCain campaign – the unfortunate gift that just keeps on giving.
We bitch about how the mainstream media didn’t vet the Obumbler – yet McCain could have made it an issue but was too busy trying to appease his boosters on the left to bother simply asking for clarification from his opponent.
That was the time to have cleared the air on this matter, and like so many other opportunities he threw it away.
Now, we have a huge percentage of the population that are now deeply averse to admitting they made a huge error in judgement and were made fools of in 2008. They may not come out to vote for him again, but they also don’t want to compound their embarrassment by even contemplating the theory that their candidate wasn’t even qualified to run for the office.
The feelings at the national democrat party level would be even more so as it would absolutely destroy the party.
Unfortunately, instead of addressing the matter in a way that unified the country, Obumbler instead chose to string it out as long as possible – maybe even thinking that somehow it would eventually be forgotten. When he finally did address it, there were even more problems with the supposed document provided.
If there were problems with his birth certificate in Hawaii, does anyone think that state would actually admit as much – or would they provide the minimum level of verification? Verification, by the way, only they could cross check?
However, it did provide sufficient excuse for those who didn’t wish to deal with the matter to ‘move on’, and that includes politicians from both parties. The subject has become so toxic that even political opponents now preface their comments by making sure the reader understands that THEY are not crazy birthers themselves and are simply discussing the matter in a reasonable manner.
At this point, we are dealing with such a con on such a massive scale we may never know the actual facts of the Obummers birth.
About the best that can be said is that at least this reveals the levels this con artist will stoop to, regardless of whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
Having made a few brochures. the text for it was approved and submitted by Obama staff. Many people read it before publishing as did Obama. And this was an important fact in it that clearly stands out. it’s not an inclusion of an “and” where there should have been an “or”
So apparently Obamas foreign heritage actually has caused him to compromise many ethical standards that a president should have. he does seem to be an unnatural born citizen.
Do you actually believe someone can commit the perfect crime and get away with it? It would seem that this imposture sitting in the White House will be the first as long as the powers of the federal government continue to aid and abet him.
If you were president and your legitimacy to hold that office was challenged because of controversy over your birthplace, and you loved the U.S. and wanted to completely reassure all Americans, wouldn’t you direct the state that allegedly could settle the matter to release every scrap of information they had?
Of course you would.
Obama, of course, did no such thing–which allowed the Dem governor of Hawaii to claim that much as they wanted to, they simply could not release Obie’s actual, original birth records without his permission. So…tough shit, critics.
Obie had a chance to order a transparent inquiry that could presumably have reassured all Americans. Instead he dodged. And even Democrats must know–on some deeply buried level–the reason he did so.
Combine this with Obama’s snappy parry of Alan Keyes’ charge–during a debate when the two were vying for the Illinois senate seat–that “You were born in Kenya.” Obie replied to the effect that “I’m not running for president, so that’s not a problem,” which certainly suggests he was tacitly admitting Kenyan birth.
So now consider: What utter contempt for American values, law and the Constitution does it show that a man who knew he was ineligible to be president–per the clear language of our nation’s highest law–and who had in fact for 17 years had publically claimed (in his publisher’s biographical sketch, which Obie presumably had to either write or at least approve) that he’d been born in Kenya, would nevertheless run for that office?
And consider the pure evil of someone like Bill Ayers and the other leftists in the publishing chain, who knew from 1991 on that Obama had claimed Kenyan birth but said nothing–aiding in a fraud of epic proportions. How much do *they* hate America, to be willing to perpetrate such a massive fraud?
Next, consider top Democrat congresswhores, like Pelosi and Reid. With all the resources of the federal government at their command, they had to have known as well–yet they said nothing. Indeed, Pelosi had to certify to all 57 states that Obozo met all the Consitutional requirements to serve as their party’s nominee. Think they might have long since sanitized all files and crafted their “Oh my NO, I had NO IDEA!!” speeches?
Finally, consider the growing “cognitive dissonance” surely being experienced by at least the ten or twenty percent of Dem voters who are smart enough to understand the implications of a promotional bio from Obie’s publisher, updated at least annually for 17 *years*–each time reiterating that Obama was born in Kenya: It’s gotta be dawning on them that their unquestioning support of an unvetted cipher swung the election and gave the massive payoff to a breathtaking fraud on the American public.
Of course many Dems are probably comfortable with such a massive fraud. But surely a few are having second thoughts.
Wow.
Due to the MSM’s silence on this, as well as the leftosphere’s silence, the sad truth is that the vast majority of Dems will never even hear of this scandal, will never know that Obama claimed for (at a minimum, and probably much longer) 17 years that he was born in Kenya.
It is in precisely situations like this in which the Left’s stranglehold on the media is the most effective: They can take something as stupid as putting a dog on a car roof and turn it into a national scandal, and take something as major as the President of the United States being proven to be a lifelong liar, and absolutely bury the story. Every trivial and unproven meme posted on TPM or Media Matters gets front-page treatment; yet hugely important stories coming from the other side of the spectrum are either ignored or (at best) mocked.
The only responses are: a. Just keep trumpeting your narrative as insistently and as loudly as possibly, to get it heard; and b. Undermine the credibility and significance of the MSM whenever possible. Otherwise, we can never win the argument, no matter what facts are on our side.
Which proof is more valid? A brochure written, edited and unchanged for 17 years stating he was born in Kenya or a birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper and a forged birth cert? I don’t know and the point is, neither does anyone else. Since Obama has already been proven to be a liar on several issues, why am I expected to take him at his word?
The man should not have been allowed to run for POTUS in the first place without producing a valid, certified, original Certificate of Live Birth just like everybody else. Sealed records? Really?
“Birther”, just like “racist” is simply another label used by the left to demonize anyone with the audacity to question their frauds and so everyone falls all over themselves to state categorically that they are not…ugh… a “birther.”
To me, a “birther” is just someone who is still waiting for the proof of where our elected president was born because it has simply not yet been produced. Born in the USA? Fine. Show me. Then we can all move on.
Both Goldwater in 1964 and McCain in 2000 and 2008 faced lawsuits about their eligibility to be president, based on the fact that both were born in US territories, not US states. No one raised a fuss or challenged the sanity of the people who brought those lawsuits. Even though I myself think O was born in Hawaii, my opinion is just my opinion and has no legal weight, and I see no reason why Obama should not have to face a similar legal challenge and prove in court (as Goldwater and McCain both had to do) that he was and is eligible to be President.
Bakke applied to publicly funded colleges, whereas Occidental is a private collge which can admit anyone on its own criteria.
Did Obama also apply to state universities and colleges in California?
He may have been planning to apply to UCLA or Cal, but had to change his mind and instead try for a private California school after Bakke, since his self-admitted stoner-level GPA was insufficient for a legitimate non-AA admission to a UC campus. And the Kenya-birth claim then may not have been merely for admissions, but rather for financial aid — foreign-born students were (and are) eligible of various extra grants and benefits, depending on where they’re from. But since Occidental could use its own admission criteria, and is a famously cosmopolitan school, Obama may have learned that they give extra admission weight to foreign-born students, so he played that card to see if it got him in. Or at least that’s Bookworm’s theory — I have no insider info about Occidental’s admissions criteria in the late ’70s.
was already reached in 2008 when farrakhan declared obama the “black messiah.”
his birth was an immaculate conception, that’s why there ain’t no birth certificate.
“The scandal is not that Obama was actually born in Kenya, but rather that he lied for his entire adult life about being born in Kenya, for personal gain.”
Plus the scandal that if he did indeed lie about his birthplace for the personal gain of getting into certain colleges, then he intentionally falsified that information on the application, which can be considered criminal in the form of FRAUD.
Sometimes you have to work the logic from a different perspective. The president cannot have been born in Kenya because if he had been he could not be president and yet he is.
I might not understand Schrodinger exactly but, the cat cannot actually be both alive and dead, in this case Kenyan or American born. We opened the box at the first election and in our frame of reference the cat was born in Hawaii.
I agree with Zombie. He played on the identity when it was useful then he dumped it.
We may never know the truth re Obama’s birth and/or childhood, but we have one undeniable, thoroughly verifiable fact: Obama is a practicing liar and fraud.
In my opinion, this needs to be fully vetted in public and no matter how it works out, it won’t end well for Obama. Either he was born in Kenya and therefore not qualified to be POTUS, which as noted by others would created a Constitutional disaster, or he lied and used education resources he was not entitled to, denying said benefits to some other qualified students. Which brings everything he has said as President into question.
Either way, the man is a liar and can’t be trusted to run the greatest nation in history.
I am not a “birther” either, but I want to know what this guy is hiding. There is definitely something. It may just be that he is a habitual liar, or it may be that he was raised as a muslim, or it could even be that his father was someone besides whom he claims. But there is something. And it does go back to that birth certificate, or he would not have spent so much time, energy and expense in hiding it, blocking it and forging it.
Our media “professionals” are complicit in this scheme, as are all of the politicians and leaders who are blatantly ignoring this obvious evidence of “something” that doesn’t pass the smell test.
I read an article last night detailing the heavy research that a reporter did to figure out that Loretta Lynn (the country singer) is not really the age that she claims to be (she lopped off three years, as many women of that generation did). All I could think of was that no one has done even 1/2 that much research into the leader of the free world. It’s a sick society!
Given that there is a bounty for anyone able to provide a paper copy of the “Star Ledger” or the “Honolulu Advertiser” complete with the alleged “birth announcements”, why did no one claim the prize, if the original papers are so easy to find? The answer is because they are NOT.
“Zombie” is simply lying when he says he had access to the real thing.
Notwithstanding the fact that Hawai’i is notorious for giving “birth certificates” to people who were not born there –the most famous of whom being Sun Yat-Sen, the so-called “Obama” would have no reason to hide the original of his “Hawai’i Birth Certificate” as he has been doing at enormous legal cost if he had one to show.
As a consequence, number one hypothesis is that those alleged “announcements”, “discovered” in a library microfilm by a self-proclaimed “birther” in unclear circumstances, are PLANTS if they exist at all, and that “Zombie” is merely a FALSE WITNESS.
We have had no forensic examination of said “announcements”, which in any case would never qualify as “proof” of anything in any kind of judicial procedure, while we have absolute proof that the image presented by the Usurper on April 27, 2011 is a gross forgery –and that is why such a judicial procedure, indeed a criminal one, has been launched to find the author of said forgery.
We also have independent testimonies and circumstantial evidence that the so-called “Obama” was indeed born in Mombasa, Kenya.
And we also have the Supreme Court decision of March 29, 1875, Minor v. Happersett, which defines a “Natural-Born Citizen” as “born in the country, of parents who are citizens”.
So, in any case the so-called “Obama” is not legally “President”, but a criminal usurper.
For four possible reasons:
- His putative father was a Kenyan, making him legally a natural-born British subject even now: exactly the type of foreign adventurer whom the Framers wanted to keep away from the position of President when they wrote the Constitution.
- He was probably born in Kenya, and certainly not in Hawaii.
- He ran under a false name, given that his real one is not “Barack Obama” but “Barry Soetoro” or “Barry Davis”, or “Barry Shabbazz”, or whatever other name.
He is an identity fraud who has been using a stolen Connecticut Social Security number since the 1980s, and whose selective service registration card has also been found to be a forgery.
- He probably retained his Indonesian citizenship past the age of 21, to enroll as a “foreign student” in the various universities he claims to have attended, whether he actually did or not.
I am not lying. I held the paper in my hands.
And no, it was not easy to find at all. It was extremely difficult. It was not in the library’s “stacks,” it was in an offsite storage facility that is rarely accessed. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get a day pass.
And no, I won’t say which library, for my own safety. I’m sure that somewhere in a computer database, my real name is there. I don’t want to draw attention to myself any further on this.
I’ll agree with you on this point. That Selective Service “document” his campaign released was an obvious fraud. Laughable, even. I find it odd that this solid evidence of his criminal deception is not highlighted more. It’s too often lumped together with the murky “birther” stuff, and therefore ends up getting dismissed, even though it’s not really connected.
Obama committed a felony by not registering for the Selective Service in 1980, and then he produced a backdated forged document trying to prove he did. Focus on that to the exlcusion of the birth issue, and you’ve got a good scandal on your hands.
Did it look exactly like the images you’ve seen that are from the microfilm? I have read someone else claim to have seen the paper, but they mentioned info in the paper that was not the same as the microfilm. Did you by any chance compare the two?
I’ll piggyback on Vincent and just say that he probably was born in Kenya. Evidence seems to point that way. In addition, a great coverup is ongoing. No one seem to be able to see records that would indicate whether he was foreign born. He has spent a lot of money, in the millions, to keep his records closed. That seems to indicate he is hiding something. Great piece, Vincent.
“I’m no birther (I’m convinced Obama was in fact born in Hawaii), but I think this scandal is significant anyway, because it proves that Obama lied about his heritage to give himself more “exotic” origins, in order to score more PC Points.”
The birthers are supposed to be the crazy ones but it is remarkable how people go through massive contortions to explain all the evidence that says () may have been born in Kenya. Personally, I’m no birther but I believe that space aliens have beamed in from the future to change ()’s birth records and swap his birth certificate with a poor forgery just to confuse birthers.
Or the simple explanation could be that he was born in Kenya.
Greed being an integral part of human nature, and given the fact that the very greediest seem to be lefties, and further given the fact that a LOT of Obammer’s closest supporters and confidentes are (hopefully!), gonna lose their meal ticket in November, I am predicting there will be a number of tell-all books that come out of the woodwork over the next 5 to 10 years that will be falling over each other to provide the ‘inside’ story about this con artist.
Just think about it – what is going to sell more copies of a book, some fawning aggrandizement of a failed president, or juicy tidbits detailing how a fraud on a massive scale was successfully pulled off?!
Someone, somewhere is going to try to cash in for either money or bragging rights – or both – and the smart ones are going to figure whoever gets their version out first is going to reap most of the financial rewards.
At that point, I’m gonna love watching the bovine scatalogical excrement impacting the oscillating rotating atmospheric impellers!!!
I’m no birther, I’m no birther, I’m no birther. Actually YES you are. Anyone who blinks at the sight or mention of ANY of Obama’s so-called documents is a Birther. Welcome aboard but where have you been for four years?
LMAO! So this is the latest defense of the usurper now. That he was really born in Hawaii, but lied about being born in Kenya for his entire adult life, for personal gain?! I guess that makes more sense to Obots then claiming “future birthers” were planting evidence year ago, for decades in fact, in all kinds of different Obama documents … just in case he ran for president someday, so they could then smear him.
Well, I do agree on one with with the author. That Obama the fraud is a liar! There can be NO DOUBT with that.
It really quite elementary! Obama was born in Kenya and came to Hawaii as an infant. Pretty easy to ascertain from the fragmented evidence. And wouldn’t you know it, even that was HIS STORY right up until he decided to run for president, when he was told it disqualified him.
REALITY CHECK: He would of produced his Hawaiian hospital birth records years ago if any existed. Is that really that hard to understand?