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So Barack Obama just picked up the imprimatur and nihil obstat from Oslo’s Nobel Prize Committee for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people.”

Yes, that’s right, this year’s Nobel “Peace” Prize goes to Barack Obama. What’s the appropriate response: incredulity? Nah: the Nobel Peace Prize is a thoroughly discredited politically-correct coefficient of liberal transnational socialism. Barack Obama was tailor-made for this dubious honor, just as Yasser Arafat was. No, the appropriate response should be a compound of contempt and irritation, contempt for the bloviating Norwegians who once again have distinguished themselves by their sanctimonious fatuousness (“Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future . . . .”), irritation at the fact that this pseudo distinction will, in the eyes of the credulous, tend to legitimate the actions of the most anti-American and incompetent President in history.

The Times (no, not The New York Times, which is purring with pleasure at the news, but the London Times) is correct:

Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.

Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.

Bottom line: this action is less the awarding of a prize than a kick in the teeth aimed at traditional American power and prestige.

As usual, Andy McCarthy cuts to the chase:

I’m not all for Americans winning international prizes, especially the Nobel Peace Prize. In fact, I’m vigorously against it. The transnational progressives who pass out these accolades believe America is the problem in the world, the main threat to peace, the impediment to “progress,” etc. The award is a symbolic statement of opposition to American exceptionalism, American might, American capitalism, American self-determinism, and American pursuit of America’s interests in the world.

Exactly. If you are pro-American, you must be anti-the Nobel Peace. I am pro-American, ergo, etc. And Andy is to be commended, too, for his suggestion that we rebaptize this discreditable faux-honor with a more suitable name:

After a number of years, the NFL renamed its Super Bowl trophy after its most fitting recipient — it’s now called the Vince Lombardi Trophy. I’d like to see the Nobel Foundation follow suit. If today’s headlines said, “Barack Obama Wins Yasser Arafat Prize,” that would be perfect.

[UPDATE: a friend reminds me that this year's Nobel Peace Laureate, B. Obama, has just refused to meet last year's Nobel Peace Laureate, the Dalai Lama: what do you make of that?]

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202 Comments, 202 Threads, 6 Trackbacks

  1. 1. Middleman

    Outside of science and math, the Nobel Prize has long been a joke. I received one as a kid for cleaning my closet.

  2. You’re kidding, right? Obama has not accomplished a thing, not one bloody thing. The deadline for nominations closed less than two weeks after Obama took office. This is just wrong and there are so, so many people much more deserving than Obama, people who actually DID something for the prize. Now Europeans are awarding prizes for what people might do in the future. How very, very, sad.

    How about giving the award to all of the women in Afghanistan who braved Sharia law, the Taliban, and hundreds of years of male-dominated Muslim fanatacism to get an education and some human rights? No, I guess we need to give it to person who’s major accomplishment was failing to get the Olympics for Chicago.

  3. 3. Paul of Alexandria

    Alfred Nobel is spinning in his grave.

  4. 4. Jack

    Rumor has Obama is going to win the National League MVP this yeatr

  5. 5. homero

    I agree the yasser arafat prize has been political for a long time.

    I have not agreed with any of the late prize winners.

    WTF …really has become a joke. so in from that aspect it is appropriate.

  6. 6. Original Dave

    Not that we did not already know the Nobel prizes were a joke but now it is becoming an out-right scarlet letter of shame.

  7. 7. Nandiff

    I never laughed so hard in my life when I read about this, at first I thought it was satire. The Nobel Peace prize is a joke! This man will prove to do more harm than good to world peace before he is through.

  8. 8. Observer

    Of diminished integrity with Arafat winning, void of any today.

  9. 9. Ken C.

    Another accolade for Obama for who he is and not because of anything he’s accomplished. No wonder he’s so lost in this world. People keep rewarding him for simply showing up.

  10. 10. LeighB

    I don’t think this will be good for Obama. Too much too soon.

  11. 11. Now and Then

    “World rejects Obama.” Oh, wait, that was for something else.

  12. 12. Sarge

    There is HOPE. You know what happened to Jimmy Carter AFTER him getting the prize, he was nor RE-Elected ! Disgusted !

  13. 13. Sven

    The Norwegians just can’t help but love a good Socialist/Marxist. I bet that they can tell you how many pimples Obama’s got on his azz.

  14. 14. james

    I believe the last sitting president to get this was Wilson, right as he was dragging us into WW1, strongly advocating eugenics, writing the Versailles Treaty which brought us the Nazis, and rounding up thousands of Americans for protesting the war.
    Sound familiar?

  15. 15. Sebastian Shaw

    Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize after only 2 weeks in office; however, the Nobel Peace Prize has long been sullied, soiled, & stained when Arafat & Jimmy Carter each won the prize. Apparently, one can win the prize if you constantly bash America & supplicate to our enemies in various forms. Obama’s false modesty is not to be taken seriously. He had to have known about this. Obama still has not done anything of substance to have the Nobel Peace Prize.

  16. 16. ione

    Before some troll comes on this site to tell us all how “mean-spirited” we all are and how it is only just and right that Obama is given this honor; let me say there is nothing so ‘mean spirited’ and in my opinion psycologically disturbed as individuals that sit up nights trying to figure out how to continue to ‘kick George Bush in the teeth’ yet, again. I mean seriously, get some help.

  17. 17. CrumbleKid

    They’re Swedes, dude, not Norwegians. And people say the Yanks are insular and know nothing of the world…

  18. 18. paul_unalaska

    I wish I was surprised by the news. Though relevant Nobel recipients has the science community for some time.

    With the kitty Mr. Manchurian will be taking home with the prize, do you suppose he’ll put that money towards a worthy cause?

    Or will Obama pull an Arafat? Continue the complaining of horrible conditions in his ‘homeland’ all the while lining his pockets.

  19. 19. HoosierHawk

    There has always been that certain something about President Obama that attracts the affirmative action crowd.

  20. 20. MarkD

    Obama, Carter, what’s the difference? The prize winners are losers.

  21. 21. The Phranc

    Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize: proving Affirmative
    Action cheapens everything.

  22. 22. adnerb

    This reminds me of Hollywood awarding itself Oscars. In the same vein, international socialists recognize their own.

  23. 23. paul_unalaska

    Sarge, Carter didn’t receive the Nobel until 2002.

    Though I do understand your jib.

  24. 24. klrtz1

    Liberals value intentions far more than accomplishments. Which makes perfect sense since liberalism usually fails to achieve any positive result.

  25. 25. misanthropicus

    Ripley’s “Believe It Or Not” sure has a fine day –

    Grotesque – Obama’s prize is a sound manifestation of sound idiocy & baseness (idiocy which I suspected for months that would occur), which confirms, time and again what a bunch of PC clowns the Nobel prize committee crew are.

    Notre Dame U showed last summer that there is such a thing like an “anticipative” PhD (and this ignoring Obama’s certifiable solid past of academic & otherwise fraudulence – now the Nobel Committee amplifies this ciompetitional debasing by enshrining near that fraudulence Obama’s glaring incompetence and crass cynicism (a funny thought: crass fraudulence is the only thing that is certifiable in Obama’s career.)

    Fraud pays, as Obama’s Notre Dame U PhD confirmed: the Nobel Committee mentioned as one of the reasons for bestowing on this scoundrel this prize was his (10 days short!) work for nuclear disarmament – is Obama’s dual Columbia graduation thesis “North-South Relationships In The Post-Colonial Age”/ “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” finally available?
    Have the Nobel committee read the same draft of those outstanding works that Notre Dame U wisemen read?
    Can’t we have finally access to those phenomenal works?

    Leaving aside the substance of this decision, here we’re stuck with a technicality – the nominations for this year’s prize were due on the February 1st. while Obama was inaugurated as President on the January 20th., i.e. the Nobel Committee had JUST TEN days of presidential tenure for evaluation – time span that sure is fitting for evaluating a hot dogs eating contest, but when it comes at one’s apport in solving the problems of the world, the Nobel Committee shows that the hot dogs eating contests is what they actually should be into.

    Then another, this time a somber irony lining this situation: at the time of this Monty Python announcement, Obama has to make the choice of either increasing dramatically the American presence in Afghanistan, or to throw the towel – neither choice giving much lift to those Nobel dolts’ lofty claims of encouraging peace, blah-blah-blah.

    And to crown this irony, at the time of the acceptance of the prize, it is quite likely that the world will be engaged in a much larger conflagration – courtesy to the world’s internationalists and Obama supporters – Oh, by the way, wasn’t El Baradei a recipient of the Peace Nobel Prize?

    Grotesque and base, this is the aura surrounding the Nobel Committee’s work and Obama’s beatification –

    Obama’s career, hardly

    According to the website of the Nobel Prize, submissions for this year’s awards were due by February 1st. Obama was sworn in as President on January 20th. So, apparently his efforts in just the first 11 days in office were sufficient. Color me incredulous.

  26. 26. Poor Citizen

    I have tried to tell folks on this site which way this thing was going. Did Obama deserve this award? probably not. However, you have to appreciate the difference this president is compared to the last one, or if McCain/Palin would have won. The world is very much appreciative of this president and the breath of fresh air he has brought to the world stage. plain and simple?…well, America is a good guy once again..will it last?. Who knows..at least this will give this new administration some breathing space, and most of us know, they need some right now. Well done to our President ! Americans should be very proud right now !!

  27. 27. gordo12

    Affirmative action, gone international.

  28. 28. Kurt

    #13 Sarge: Jimmy Carter had been out of office many years when he was given the Nobel peace prize. It was widely interpreted at the time as a smack at George W. Bush, who was President when Carter was chosen for the prize. Of course, since receiving the prize, Carter has distinguished himself as not just the worst President of the 20th Century (if not all times), but also as the worst ex-President of all times with his sanctimonious fatuousness and his anti-Semitic grovelling.

  29. 29. Annie

    I am incredulous. Talk about having coffee come out my nose. Truly, truly “Wha – a – a -???” For WHAT??? A few speeches about himself?? To 15.james: Amazing.

  30. 30. misanthropicus

    RE #16: Ignore the last two paragraphs: “Obama’s carrer — color me”

  31. 35 years after Martin Luther King won the Nobel Peace Prize for opposing racial segregation and six years after Nelson Mandela won the Nobel Peace Prize for opposing racial apartheid, Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize for providing political cover to the practitioners of violent, regressive gender apartheid and legitimacy to the anti-Semites.

    Welcome to the 21st Century.

  32. 32. Bob from Virginia

    I posted this this at another article but I will repost it here.
    The “O” just received a Nobel Peace Prize. So let’s see, here is a partial “under the bus” list:
    1) Honduran democracy
    2) Poland
    3) the Czech republic
    4) Afghanistan-so far
    5) Arab liberals
    6) Israel
    7) Iranian liberals
    The common denominator seems to be be anyone who wants to be free. Yep, Obama deserves that Peace Prize alright.

  33. 33. Seriously

    The bitter losers never stop, continually you are marginalized home and abroad. A brighter future indeed.

  34. Question: a friend reminds me that this year’s Nobel Peace Laureate, B. Obama, has just refused to meet last year’s Nobel Peace Laureate, the Dalai Lama: what do you make of that?

    Answer: Telling.

    –The UnPatriot

  35. 35. Thomas_L......

    Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize! In other news, the N.F.L. announced today that the 2010 Super Bowl will be awarded at Half time. Major League Baseball today, announced that President Barack Obama is being considered for both the National and American League Cy Young Awards based on his awesome pitching at the 2009 All Star Game. Meanwhile in Iran, President Ahmadinejad announced that Iran has successfully tested …

  36. 36. Rima

    There goes the Afghan surge.

  37. 37. Karen

    I wonder how much this cost Soros to buy the “prize” for Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm?

  38. 38. Thomas_L......

    Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize! In other news, the N.F.L. announced today that the 2010 Super Bowl will be awarded at Half time. Major League Baseball today, announced that President Barack Obama is being considered for both the National and American League Cy Young Awards based on his awesome pitching at the 2009 All Star Game. Meanwhile in Iran, President Ahmadinejad announced that Iran has successfully tested …

  39. 39. Paul from Hamburg

    Does anyone know a good way to get vomit out of my keyboard?

  40. 40. JFP

    Other decisions were politicized, but this one is politicized and juvenile. At least they could have waited till he left office.

  41. 41. JFP

    CrumbleKid: Although the Swedes control most of the Nobel Prizes, it’s the Norwegians who control the Peace Prize.

  42. 42. misanthropicus

    RE #12/Now and Then: [...] “World rejects Obama.” Oh, wait, that was for something else. [...]”

    Buddy, here’s for you from my previous post:

    “Notre Dame U showed last summer that there is such a thing like an “anticipative” PhD (and this ignoring Obama’s certifiable solid past of academic & otherwise fraudulence – now the Nobel Committee amplifies this ciompetitional debasing by enshrining near that fraudulence Obama’s glaring incompetence and crass cynicism (a funny thought: crass fraudulence is the only thing that is certifiable in Obama’s career.)

    Fraud pays, as Obama’s Notre Dame U PhD confirmed: the Nobel Committee mentioned as one of the reasons for bestowing on this scoundrel this prize was his (10 days short!) work for nuclear disarmament – is Obama’s dual Columbia graduation thesis “North-South Relationships In The Post-Colonial Age”/ “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” finally available?
    Have the Nobel committee read the same draft of those outstanding works that Notre Dame U wisemen read?
    Can’t we have finally access to those phenomenal works?’

    The Nobel Committee confirms that fraud pays, N&T, doesn’t it?

  43. 43. Staffan

    As a Swede I wish it made clear to all and sundry that the Swedish Nobel Committee has nothing whatsoever to do with the Nobel Peace Prize, which is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee. In Oslo, not Stockholm. Thank G-d.

  44. 44. Gary Ogletree

    Had the Nobel pukes known with what esteem the Dalai Lama held George Bush, I’m sure he wouldn’t have won, though he gave The Prize more prestige than he got from it. I like the idea of awarding The Prize to the women of Afghanistan who continue to defy Islamofascism, pardon, the religion of peace. I thought The Prize was pretty well discredited when Kissinger and Le Du To got it. This absurdity tops it off. President Wee Wee’s hubris problem has just been inflated. Just as well, he will be that much more energetic in his stupidity and folly, all leading to the awakening of the American public and the rapid demise of the American Left. All well and good in the big picture, but pretty harsh for those on the ground who will be feeling the effects of the community organizer in chief’s cluelessness.

  45. 45. ahem

    There go a lot of things. This idiot doesn’t need his massive ego fed. This will result in even more dangerously bad policy decisions and innocent deaths down the line.

  46. 46. Bill in Boston

    I actually thought it was a joke at first. Never dole out this kind of news to a man who is just picking up the first cup of coffee of the day. I did what any sensible American would do, poured a Double of Maker’s Mark in it and drank it. I’d like to say what I really think but I don’t want to offend anyone. If you’ll excuse me I need to pack for Oslo. The Nobel Committee needs what their parents never gave them, out to the wood shed we go.

  47. 47. Tolbert

    Well, he’s in good company with other Nobel Peace Prize recipients.

    Yasser Arafat (Terrorist)
    Kofi Anan (Corruptocrat)
    Jimmy Carter (Never met a dictator he didn’t like and killer of rabbits)
    United Nations Peacekeeping Forces (Rapists of women and children)
    Wangari Maathai (AIDs conspiracy promoter)
    Al Gore (Habitual liar and hypocrite, shameless promoter of all things Al Gore)

  48. 48. Harris Tweed

    Mr. President Obama was nominated for this “prize” nine days after he took office. He had done nothing to deserve such recognition before that date and has done nothing since that date to deserve it.

    This says far more about the Norwegians, international socialism and the “prize” itself, than it does of Barack. The Nobel Peace Prize has become very, very small

  49. 49. left of y'all

    Thanks, Nobel Prize committee…

    (awkward silence)

    Uhm yeah, we like you too.

  50. 50. DaRick

    Poor Citizen:

    Being a ‘breath of fresh air’ doesn’t justify winning an award. Hell, I’ve come across plenty of people who’ve behaved like a ‘breath of fresh air’ and have not won anything. Should they?

    Besides, the peace that he implicitly advocates is at best a temporary one and not at all positive. Even from the other side of the planet, I can recognise that by examining his actions. For instance, he’s consistently shunned democratic people and democratic nations. The only peace that he’s encouraged is the peace of tyranny. Honestly, what kind of peace is that worth? Why is it temporary? Because tyrannies never remain peaceful. Many either precipitate civil war or an internal uprising through their oppression (Burma/Iran/China), or simply threaten or attack other countries (Iran/Russia).

    I was initially aghast at him winning this award for not doing any positive with regards to peace. Then again, this is the same committee that award a Jew-hating, homophobic, hypocritical kleptocratic terrorist an award.

  51. 51. whyamInotsurprised?

    BFD!

  52. 52. Toker53

    Poor Citizen,
    27,
    your head is so far up your **s you havent seen the the light of day in your life.
    I said yesterday I would never apologize for being an American, that is still true today, Obama said as much during his Inaugural Address. The difference between myself and the president is that I never say anything I don’t mean. Obama is a disgrace and the Nobel Committee is a freaking joke, and has been for a long time.

  53. 53. Beth in Texas

    Not a bad 9-months’ work for the world’s newly-annointed messiah. Personally, I’ll keep worshiping the more accomplished One.

  54. 54. G. Clark

    Roger’s post was spot-on until he quoted the neo-con ‘American exceptionalism’ nonsense from Andy McCarthy. But Roger wouldn’t be Roger if he didn’t include a quote like that in a post like today’s.

  55. Obama’s peace prize makes perfect sense…
    http://hyphenatedamericans.blogspot.com/2009/10/obamas-peace-prize-makes-sense.html

  56. 56. Majic

    The Nobel committee has continued down the path of irrelevancy. The committee has made some fairly bad choices for the last decade or so, its anti-America agenda fits in perfectly with Mr. Obama’s. The following is a list of recent Nobel winners.
    1994 Yasser Arafat (A terrorist)
    2001 Kofi Annan (Anti-American Politician)
    2002 Jimmy Carter (Anti American Politician)
    2005 Mohamed El Baradei (A fool and a Liar)
    2007 Al Gore (A large fool and liar)
    2009 Barrack Obama (Anti-American Politician)

    This is a collection of Leftist doofuses, unknown bureaucrats, petty dictators, terrorists, conmen, and crooks. What distinguished company, Mister President “No Clue”. The continuing journey to mental retardation is firmly imbedded in our society; this is not all that different from giving an Oscar to a pedophile.

    To the Nobel Committee, How does it feel to be the laughing stock of the western world?

  57. 57. Now and Then

    These grapes, they be tastin’ a little . . . sour.

  58. 58. biblio44

    “[T]he Nobel Peace Prize is a thoroughly discredited politically-correct coefficient of liberal transnational socialism.”

    Now THAT’S a sentence worthy of Dr. Irwin Corey. Have another drink, Rog, and calm down.

    44. Staffan: “As a Swede I wish it made clear to all and sundry that the Swedish Nobel Committee has nothing whatsoever to do with the Nobel Peace Prize, which is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee. In Oslo, not Stockholm. Thank G-d.”

    Thank God indeed! The prize is much more meaningful coming from the Norwegians, considering their actions on behalf of their Jewish citizens during WWII.

  59. The problem is “What makes news?” A committee of like-minded people giving an award to one of their own (Yasser Arafat, Al Gore, etc.) should, by nominal (non-partisan) journalistic standards, not make news — it happens every day. Now if the Nobel Piece Committee were to give an award to Ronald Reagan, or the Young Republicans gave an award to Obama – that would be news!

  60. 60. Nosingin

    Well it’s just about time that someone threw this man a little respect. I propose that in 2012 we hold a global election and vote the ’0′ as our OFFICAL messiah. He can have Ahmadenijad, Chavez, Castro bros and Zelaya in his cabinet- (I feel certain that they meet the requirement of not paying taxes) Then we can order the execution of GWB for screwing up the whole entire world so bad because we all know it just happened in the last 8 years.

    Does anyone else feel like they just took a hit of acid?

  61. 61. always right

    In a related news, Glenn Beck won the best documentary by cooking a (fake) frog in boiling water on live TV.

  62. 62. Professor Guvinoff

    The surfer-in-chief rides the undulating coattail of the global Ostrich we have been waiting for.

    The world class teleprompter is overdue for a Dolby and Surround Sound retrofit. “Make no mistakes! As i’ve said many times before, It’s time to crank up the reverb!”

    May the glory of global idiocy forever illuminate the memory of Robin Hood, the true pionner of universal community organizing!

  63. 63. TFMo

    THIS JUST IN! Obama’s unofficial official pre-response to receiving the Nobel Prize!

  64. 64. dvb91

    Does he get to keep the money, which was about 1.5 million in 2007? Or is he barred from doing so, since he works for the government and that would be unethical? If get it, would he just put the money back into the gov’t or keep it for his presidential library?

    It’s a real shame that a prize like this, which should mean something, has become so politicized. I’m surprised the committee didn’t give the prize to Saddam in 2004. Who’s next in line, Putin, Ahmendinjab, or Chavez?

    I wouldn’t mind if Obama had actually accomplished something in the few days before nominations were due, but as SNL has noted, he hasn’t gotten anything done.

  65. 65. Thomas_L.....

    Sour grapes? Au contraire, mes leftardos amigos! This is comedy gold! We are loving it. We had no horse in the race. It’s not like we were pulling for Ahmadinejad or anything. Next year, the Nobel Prize in Physics for the president being able to somehow fit his head into a normal sized room!

  66. 66. Peter the Bubblehead

    18. CrumbleKid wrote:
    They’re Swedes, dude, not Norwegians. And people say the Yanks are insular and know nothing of the world…

    Peter writes: The Peace Prize is awarded by a Norwegian committee.
    Take a look around yur own glass house before you start throwing stones at other people.

  67. 67. David S

    The GOP has nothing positive to offer the world. Pissing on the President is not a Program for Prosperity.

    The peace prize is a reaffirmation of the promise of America. Those claiming it is anti-american simply do not understand the scale and scope of the world’s problems, and the contribution that Obama has already made, and continues to make, in resolving them.

    This is a major plus for American prestige and respect in the world, and a wholly positive development for the world. The only people on the planet unhappy about this are partisan hacks and hawks.

    Peace.

    DS

  68. 68. Paul

    WHAT??????????? Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize based on WHAT??? What an incredible travesty!!!! The man is AMERICA’S ULTIMATE DIRTBAG!!! He has contributed nothing good to peace anywhere at any time, and even less to American life as we know it. How insulting this must be to previous, well deserving recipients!!!! How deluded have we become, to appropriate this total debauchery of such a distinguished award? I am nearly speechless!!

  69. 69. Thomas_L.....

    David S – Enough of your braindead, koolaid drinking, non thinking sycophancy! This may as well turn out to be a curse. Your messiah is attempting to negotiate an difficult path where all before him have failed. Nobel Peace Prize? No pressure now Barry. Go get ‘er done!

  70. Over the last couple of decades there seem to be four sure-fire paths to the NPP:
    1. Kill Jews
    2. Facilitate the killing of Jews
    3. Justify killing Jews
    4. Embarrass the USA

    Obama has taken paths 2 and 4, so this award is no surprise.

  71. 71. Tolbert

    David S.

    When Obama was nominated for the Nobel he had been in office less than 11 days.

    WTF did he accomplish be sides getting elected?

  72. 72. Arktke48

    Wait, this just in! The Nobel Prize recently awarded for medicine has been rescinded and will now go to our president for his deft handling of health care reform. In addition he will receive the Nobel for economics for his brilliant work in helping to pass the economic stimulus package! Is there no end to what this president can do?

  73. Hey, David S. (#68), I always love how ultra left people like you say the most hateful things and then sign their posts “peace.” Well, why don’t you read this:

    http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/obama-and-the-nobel-peace-prize/

    It’s from Nicholas Kristof, hardly a far-right writer for the New York Times. Even HE thinks this prize for Obama is really, really, dumb. So I guess he’s a “partisan hack or a hawk” too? You’re such a jerk.

  74. 74. Paul

    The world is very much appreciative of this president and the breath of fresh air he has brought to the world stage. plain and simple?…”

    WHAT FRESH AIR???? EVERYTHING about Obama is putrid!!! I don’t think he knows HOW to be anything else. And, NO!!! I don’t appreciate anything putrid. So much for the worlds appreciation!!

  75. 75. German Cruz

    WTH! This is the same prize that was awarded to very fake Rigoberta Menchu for her fictional biography and to Al Gore for his unscientfic powerpoint “movie” and to Yaser Arafat for sending millions to Switzerland and a great number to their eternal reward. You need to be a socialist to win this trinket that now has become equated with the defunct Lenin Peace Prize. Pacem aeterna donei domine y’all.

  76. 76. Harvard Yard Conservative

    “Après moi le déluge”

  77. 77. Beth in Texas

    The O gets the prize, and our troops get the shaft. How in the world can he approve the surge now? Our men and women in uniform need our prayers now more than ever.

  78. 78. Harvard Yard Conservative

    “Damn!”
    –Hillary Clinton–

    “I wonder if being a Nobel winner will help Obama get more girls?”
    –Bill Clinton–”

  79. 79. Rachel

    I think his refusal to meet the Dalai Lama is simply a diplomatic gesture that will allow him to maintain friendly relations with China.

    China is so important especially in the midst of this global economic crisis.

    The world is not “amazed” by this, it applauds it.

  80. 80. Cichawoda

    For the rabid and uninformed:

    Unlike all the other Nobel prizes (Swedish government is in charge of that) the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a 5 member Norwegian Nobel Committee appointed by Norwegian Parliament and chosen from it’s members:

    Thorbjørn Jagland – Labour Party
    Kaci Kullmann Five – Conservative Party
    Sissel Rønbeck – Labour Party
    Inger-Marie Ytterhorn – Progress Party
    Ågot Valle – Socialist Left Party

    “Obama has shown an unshakeable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts.” – Thorbjoern Jagland

    You might not agree with the committee’s decision and would prefer if one of the other 205 nominees won but you would think that patriots would be happy that an institution with a good deal of worldwide recognition and prestige deemed to honor one of our own.

    Seems like the Taliban and the American conservative movement have more and more in common.

  81. 81. "progressivewatch"

    Peace Prize Committee…

    You lie.

  82. 82. Cichawoda

    80. Rachel:
    “refusal to meet the Dalai Lama”

    Is anybody saying that the Dalai Lama asked to meet with the President when he was here? I think you are right and just for China’s economic power – all the people involved in the rather delicate political games being played in Tibet realize that they can result in the needless lose of life if played “Texas” style.

  83. Whoops, massive mathematical correction:

    45 (not 35) years after Martin Luther King won the Nobel Peace Prize for opposing racial segregation

    and

    16 (not six) years after Nelson Mandela won the Nobel Peace Prize for opposing racial apartheid, Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize for providing political cover to the practitioners of violent, regressive gender apartheid and legitimacy to the anti-Semites.

    Welcome to the 21st Century (I’m pretty sure it’s the 21st Century).

  84. 84. Jack Olson

    By the time Obama was nominated for the Peace Prize, he had been in office for less than two weeks. Now that he has been awarded it, he has been in office for only 9 months. He has accomplished little or nothing, certainly none of his main campaign pledges, since taking office. Hence, either the Nobel Committee has taken to awarding prizes to people who have done nothing for peace or else they are trying to influence his future policy. Yet, for a government official to accept a substantial sum of money from a foreign government which hopes to influence his policy, doesn’t that amount to bribery?

  85. 85. TFMo

    Mo’s on a roll! More of Teh Funny with Lil’ O-Bama at http://www.christmasghost.com ! Hope ya’ll enjoy it!

  86. 86. Lauren

    This is hilarious. The prestige of being a Nobel Prize winner has been diminished because it seems they are awarding it to politicians who have done nothing of merit.

  87. 87. Rachel

    This is the WORST slap in the face to Americans and past presidents. HOW can thbis be?????? I am so upset I’m ready to leave what was once America. Shame on you non-president obama. We Americans need to step up NOW and stop this. This just gives him more leeway to do whayever he wants to do. Now he has to live up to ending these wars and, as he bs’d in his primary… make peace in the world.

  88. 88. Semper Fi

    Well, remember this is the same group that gave it to Gorbachev – the captain of the LOSING team in the Cold War. Why not Reagan,you might ask? Because he was a REAL AMERICAN and these people hate America. Hence the award to B. Hussein Obama.

    Also it is a slap at the Bush administration, which all Euro-weenies feared and hated because Bush didn’t TALK, he kicked ASS!

    When your enemies like your President….’nuff said.

  89. 89. Poor Citizen

    No 51, DaRick,

    I never said he deserved it, but what I meant..was that the conservatives in the USA underestimate how popular this president is compared with his predessor. Actually, I believe that both you, and the president are correct in that now..this president must earn the award. And more importantly, he must use his prestige over the next 4 to 7 years to try and fix some very, very bad problems in the world. Will it happen? … who knows. And we should be proud of our president, and our country today. America is now quickly being restored to being a beacon to the world. And nobody should fight over that. Good Job America !

  90. 90. genghis

    JOKE…………………….

    …………PUKE

  91. 91. HoosierClyde

    Gee, should there even be a candidate list the next 3 years. Can the same person win it 4 years in a row?

  92. 92. Gaffe Prices

    Like Carter and Arabphart, B.O. is nothing more than a guarantor of more and greater war and sooner.

    The Norweigans really jumped the gun this time, they might should have waited til the sanctimonious one brought ‘peace’ to somewhere, like oh say Chicago, or looked at his record with regards to urban housing there.

    The little childe suffered such a setback with the Olympics fiasco, he really needed some worthless, tainted whore house award for his bruised self esteem. And those fools in Norway were only too happy to oblige. So long suckers.

  93. 93. ThumperNM

    Oh, the horror, you poor people! It’s clear that the Vast Left Wing Majority, the Country and the World hold the current President in high regard. The blood dripping from past President and his vulture Vice President will haunt him and his party for years to come.

    The Noble Prize is for his VISION of peace and his repudiation of the last eight years.

    Console yourselves with your tears of pity and keep warm teabags on your eyes it might help.

  94. 94. Paul

    Breaking news: Obama just won the Miss Universe Pageant, while kicking Chuck Norris’ ass, during a barefoot drag race inchich he schooled a Bugatti Veyron.

    Seriously though, How was it that everyone called Bush a murderer and while Obama has not removed troops, he is given this foolish award.
    Is it because he’s allowing our kids in Afghanistan to die, instead of sending the troops General McChrystal has begged for? Who’s the murderer here?

  95. 95. Gerry

    And so it begins——–:

    Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro said on Friday that the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama was a “surprise.” Maduro urged Obama to show his commitment to peace by ruling out the deployment of US military bases in Colombia.

    Surprise, surprise.

  96. 96. Semper Fi

    A summary of comments I like so far:

    - He got it for “not being Bush”
    - Norweigan affirmative action
    - Obama will also win National Leage MVP

    But remember, all this does is make the Nobel committee more of a laughing stock…. who gives a fu*k what they do??

    (By the way, Hitler was niminated by the Commttee in 1939. True. Look it up)

  97. 97. Moogie

    You know, the leftist trolls in here keep saying how the “world” is so enthralled by Obama.

    The “world” that the trolls are referring to is actually just those progressive leftists who are constantly promoting their socialist/totalitarian/communist/tyrannical form of global social and governmental re-engineering.

    The majority of the normal people around the world are not enthralled by Obama – they see right through him, like the rest of us normal people in America.

  98. 98. JFP

    “You might not agree with the committee’s decision and would prefer if one of the other 205 nominees won but you would think that patriots would be happy that an institution with a good deal of worldwide recognition and prestige deemed to honor one of our own.”

    OK, let’s suppose FIFA decides to cancel next summer’s World Cup and to just say that the U.S. won it. Should I feel proud of our country for finally having won? Of course not. I’d feel embarrassed. Nor would this “win” convey any respect in the soccer world.

    It’s the same thing with this prize. If I were him, I’d be embarrassed to accept it. I’d simply refuse it.

  99. 99. David S

    @74. Libertyship46:

    Nicholas Kristof doesn’t say he is unhappy – just “nonplussed”. Can you tell the difference? He thinks it may be “premature” – but that’s a long way from being upset about it.

    You’re such a jerk.

    Yeah, I know. American prestige is something only a jerk would care about, right?

    Peace.

    DS

  100. The appropriate answer ?
    It is
    LAUGHING FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

    Barack Hussein Obama MMMHHH MMMHHH MMMHHH

    The IGNOBEL is not enough: HE is Saint Obama, King of the Earth and Emperor of the Milky Way, protector of the muslimarxists.

    What a funny world !

  101. 101. Cichawoda

    I think the DNC has summerized the situation very well:
    “The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,” wrote DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. “Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize — an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride — unless of course you are the Republican Party. The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It’s no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore – it’s an embarrassing label to claim.”

  102. I wonder how much this cost Soros to buy the “prize” for Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm?

    Does anyone know a good way to get vomit out of my keyboard?German Cruz:

    This is the same prize that was awarded to very fake Rigoberta Menchu for her fictional biography and to Al Gore for his unscientfic powerpoint “movie” and to Yaser Arafat for sending millions to Switzerland and a great number to their eternal reward. You need to be a socialist to win this trinket that now has become equated with the defunct Lenin Peace Prize. Pacem aeterna donei domine y’all.

    I am quoting a few of the comments
    I especially liked, but the collection is pretty good as well.

    about the keyboard soaked in vomit…mail it to the White House
    Attention BHO

  103. 103. Anon

    The link and address to this leftist organization is:

    1.http://nobelpeaceprize.org/

    2. The Norwegian Nobel Committee
    Henrik Ibsens gate 51
    0255 Oslo
    Norway
    Tel:01147-22129300
    Fax:01147-22129310
    Email:postmaster@nobel.no

    Better choices than Mr. Barack Obama are:

    3. The Iranian Freedom Protesters, and honoring the death of Ms. Neda Agha-Soltan that was killed June 20, 2009 in the streets of Tehran, during the 2009 Iranian election protests.

    4. US Armed Forces.

  104. #105
    Yes, the true point of this “prize” to the Supreme Leader is that it allows us to understand how deep and wide is the net of BROTHERLY FRIENDS who have helped Soros to realize this project of subversion in America.

    The message is clear: they now control everything from your local newspaper to the ignobel prize.

    I seriously doubt they will allow any substantial dissent ever again.

    Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

  105. Hey David S. #102, as usual you lie like a cheap rug. Usually I don’t answer toads like you, but when you lie this much you really need to be called on it. If you read Kristoff’s whole article, he said, “It seems to me that it might have made sense to wait and give Obama the Nobel Peace Prize in his eighth year in office, after he has actually made peace somewhere.” This is hardly a ringing indorsement of Obama. I never said he was upset, he just disagreed with your stupid assertion that anyone who thought this was a bad idea was either “a partisan hack or a hawk,” and Kristoff certainly is neither. You’re such a liar and a MoveOn toad. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

    Why don’t you chew on a “peace” of this, you jerk.

    FU

  106. 106. Sebastian Shaw

    The Nobel Peace Prize is indeed comedy gold for the people while the One speaks more platitudes about his Fascist fetish fantasies with teleprompters.

  107. 107. digitalis

    Obama is such a pc suckup weenie. He got the prize because to the great delight of the committee he hates America to their liking. Start the impeachmentproceedings folks. Just because he was elected did not give him the right to destroy this country. Impeach him now.

  108. 108. HDW

    “American exceptionalism.” What on Earth does that phrase mean? Does it mean that the United States is superior to the other nations of the world? By what standards? And if Mr. McCarthy and Mr. Kimball believe that to be true, then why are they grousing about President Obama being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? They ought to take it as yet another sign that the United States is as superior as they say it is! Hurray for us!

  109. 109. Dave M.

    #81 Chichawoda, Did you just compare the right to the Taliban? Wow, you are so clever! Did you think of that all by yourself or did you have help? Here’s one, Bush is worse than Hitler. I guess you never heard that one before did you? Barack Hussein Obama, mmm mmm mmm. Rock on infidel!! War.

  110. 110. gracie

    mmmm mmmm mmmm Affirmative action at it’s best…mmmm mmm mmmm puke

  111. 111. steveg

    Nobel = Leftist cultist awarding leftist cultist, but in Obama’s case, you award the cult leader.

  112. 112. Praetorian

    Rush Limbaugh, “Something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn’t deserve the award.”

    Thanks Rush. We all know how conservatives hate America but that you would so open about it is amazing! Conservatives cozy up with Hamas and the Taliban with their America hating ways. Country first? Yea, right.

  113. I got it !
    The point is:

    Nobel- Dynamite- Bill Ayers – Obama

    It makes sense now.

  114. 114. qwfwq

    Cichawoda

    FOAD you crumb.

  115. 115. Donna V.

    Can any of our brain -dead trolls explain what Obama has DONE to merit this? Oh, he’s talked a lot, he’s inspired leg tremors in Keith Olberman, his vision makes simpletons wee-wee themselves – but name me some concrete achievements.

    You can’t. God, even Richard Cohen, Ana Marie Cox and SNL admit the guy hasn’t accomplished a damn thing.

  116. 116. Cichawoda

    118. Donna V.:
    “explain what Obama has DONE to merit this?”

    “Obama has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts.” – Thorbjoern Jagland, head of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee.

    Regardless of whether I like Obama or not but as a patriot I think it’s cool that an organization with such regard and recognition in the world thinks so highly of an American president. Seems it’s only Hamas, the Taliban and wingnuts that disagree.

  117. 117. Cichawoda

    117. qwfwq:

    You are already brain dead – time to unplug :-D

  118. 118. Hangtown Bob

    The Yasser Arafat WTF Award …….. How fitting!

  119. 119. Dave the Brave

    Bloviating Swedes, not bloviating Norwegians.

  120. 120. Beth in Texas

    Cichawoda,
    “it’s cool that an organization with such regard and recognition in the world…”? An organization which has seen fit to reward the likes of Yasser Arafat, Kofi Annan, et al is none that I would highly regard. The whole thing is a joke, and even lib pundits are laughing and scratching their heads. You might check out what that side of the aisle is posting online…but I guess that makes them racists or terrorists, too.

  121. 121. John in Michigan, USA

    In all the well-deserved bashing of the Nobel Peace Prize, don’t forget to bash the Nobel Economics Prize. Most of the winners from the past decade subscribed to absurd (in hindsight) theories about financial risk and derivative valuation.

  122. 122. David Grosz

    Last year’s winner was Martti Ahtisaari. The Dalai Lama Lama won in 1989.

  123. 123. Moogie

    “You might not agree with the committee’s decision and would prefer if one of the other 205 nominees won but you would think that patriots would be happy that an institution with a good deal of worldwide recognition and prestige deemed to honor one of our own.”

    He isn’t one of my own. He didn’t grow up in America. What does he really know of America? Zip.

    Speaking of an institution with a good deal of worldwide recognition… did you know that Hitler was nominated for this exact same prize?

  124. 124. Cichawoda

    123. Beth in Texas:
    “Yasser Arafat, Kofi Annan, et al is none that I would highly regard.”

    I’m sure they think highly of you ;-)

  125. 125. Cichawoda

    “Obama got the prize not for doing, but for being. Not for making peace, but for exemplifying something new on the world stage — the politics of dignity.” – Robert Fuller

    Human dignity – now that’s a good Christian stance – you can tell he is not from Texas.

  126. 126. mingus

    Baaaarrrff. Puke. Baaarffff. A special event. Almost as much fun as sticking your finger down your throat. Baaaarfff.

  127. 127. Donna V.

    Of course, Cichawoda can’t think of one damn thing Obama has DONE so she parrots the head of the Nobel Committee, who also doesn’t mention any concrete accomplishments.

    But Cichawoda thinks it’s gee, “cool.” Not because she is a patriot (what a joke) but because she’s the same emotional age as your average Tiger Beat reader and her boyfriend just won.

    And she’s higher than a kite as well as dumber than a stick of gum if she thinks “the world” is thrilled by this. I just came from the London Times website – most of the commenters there sounded no different from most of the commenters here.

  128. 128. Banned by Huffpo

    Ring, ring.

    “Hello?”

    “Barrack?”

    “Yes?”

    “It’s Jimmy Carter.”

    Mutters, then “How’d you get this number?”

    “You’re speaking to a former leader of the Free World. Anyway, I was calling about that award you got.”

    “Which one?”

    “The Nobel Peace Prize. The one I had to wait 20 years for after I left office. That one.”

    “What about it?”

    “Do you know how many dictator’s asses I had to kiss to get mine? Do you have any idea how smelly Yasir was? Do you?”

    “Ahh . . . well, I . . . ummm . . .”

    “It ain’t right. It just ain’t right!”

    -click-

  129. 129. seansarto

    “The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men / Gang aft agley.”

    Shrews…The award reminds me of the rat-ant–b*tch connivances of Curley’s wife in “Of Mice and Men”…

  130. 130. Now and Then

    This. Is. Too. Good!

  131. 131. Jeff

    And the envelope please, “the Oscar for the best actor for the movie I am the President, let me make that clear, goes to Barack Obama”

    Heisman Trophy-Barack Obama

    MVP of the World Series-Barack Obama for excellent relief pitching

    and so on……..

  132. 132. Donna V.

    Wingnut Ruth Marcus at that right-wing rag the Washington Post:

    ” This is ridiculous — embarrassing, even. I admire President Obama. I like President Obama. I voted for President Obama. But the peace prize? This is supposed to be for doing, not being — and it’s no disrespect to the president to suggest he hasn’t done much yet. Certainly not enough to justify the peace prize.

    “Extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples?” “[C]aptured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future?” Please. This turns the award into something like pee-wee soccer: everybody wins for trying.

    Scroll down the list of peace prize winners. Jimmy Carter won in 2002 “for his decades [emphasis added] of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts.” Last year’s winner, Martti Ahtisaari, was cited “for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades [emphasis added], to resolve international conflicts.”

    Obama gets the award for, what, a good nine months? Or maybe a good two weeks — the nominations were due Feb. 1. The other two sitting presidents who won the prize –Woodrow Wilson in 1919 for founding the League of Nations, Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 for negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese War — were in their second terms.

    I imagine that Obama, when they woke him up this morning to deliver the news, grasped the bizarreness of it all.”

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/10/a_nobel_for_a_good_two_weeks.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Well, Ruth, I rather doubt that. Obama thinks Jesus should be serving him breakfast in bed.

    But she’s on to something with the pee-wee soccer comparison. Our resident trolls, I suspect, are very young, which explains both their ignorance, their poor grasp of history, and their boundless sense of entitlement. They belong to the “self-esteem” generation, the generation which got stars just for showing up and breathing, which makes them conceited about their very limited intellectual abilities. So they see absolutely nothing wrong with giving an award to a president who has done nothing but talk.

    Older libs see the ridiculousness of it.

  133. 133. Now and Then

    I think PJM needs to post two or three MORE articles about this. Clearly the three up now aren’t enough for you to express how much you don’t care.

  134. 134. Marina

    Has anybody already seen the internet version of the video where the guy from the Committee announces that Obama has won (in Norwegian, I think) and the people boo? Would you please post the link? Thanks a lot!

  135. 135. Donna V.

    And CBS News is a bit worried about this:

    Well, today’s announcement – while totally out of the president’s control – finally may have handed his critics their own “Mission Accomplished” moment.

    Like the Democrats did after President Bush prematurely declared the Iraq war “accomplished” on that aircraft carrier in 2003, the right is already using the Nobel prize as an opportunity to hammer Mr. Obama for not having accomplished what he’s being honored for.

    Oh, yeah, you’d better believe we’re gonna use this one. Maybe we should thank the Nobel dunderheads for handing us such a big, beautiful sledgehammer.

  136. 136. Donna V.

    Cichawoda, quite the little hypocrite aren’t you? You’re a rabid atheist. You know less about Christianity than a goldfish knows about string theory.

  137. 137. Cichawoda

    130. Donna V.:
    “Of course, Cichawoda can’t think of one damn thing Obama has DONE”

    If only you could see past the venom that is clouding your vision and read what the Committee had to say:

    “Thorbjørn Jagland, the committee chairman, made clear that this year’s prize fell in that category. “If you look at the history of the Peace Prize, we have on many occasions given it to try to enhance what many personalities were trying to do,” he said. “It could be too late to respond three years from now.” – London Times

  138. 138. Cichawoda

    “The reality is that the prize appears to have been awarded to Barack Obama for what he is not. For not being George W Bush. Or rather being less like the last president.” – The Guardian

    That’s how bad the the world thinks our last president was – I tend to agree.

  139. 139. Cichawoda

    139. Donna V.:
    “You know less about Christianity…”

    Donna, sweety, I am always happy to “hear” the Christian eloquence of your online “voice”, and the compassionate, forgiving and guiding nature of your responses. See you in heaven – right dear? ;-)

  140. 140. Cichawoda

    135. Donna V.:
    “Our resident trolls, I suspect, are very young, which explains both their ignorance, their poor grasp of history”

    Are you saying your and old hag?

  141. 141. view from afar

    Cichawoda, you are so clueless as is Dave S….I actually live in Europe, and everyone, and I mean everyone, is laughing their socks off at this. I found out about as I was leaving for a party at my English neighbors house, there were many people there and I entered and announced to everyone, that Obama had won the Nobel Peace Prize, they all thought I was joking. When I finally convinced them that I wasn’t and that I was as pretty much as disgusted as they all were, questions like why him? what has he done to deserve it? Oh and the youngest (19-20′s) were basically saying WTF? so I guess that not al Europeans are so totally enthralled by the O… Donna V I think you are right about the hammer

  142. 142. Donna V.

    N and T: 3 threads aren’t enough to mine this Onion parody come true. Libs with IQ’s slightly higher than room temp (obviously not PJM trolls) find it embarrassing. See 135 and 138.

    I predict many, many ironic posts in the future beginning with “Nobel Peace Prize winner Obambi ,…,”

    Really, though, thanks as always for playing.

  143. 143. Donna V.

    Cichawoda: I’m one year older than our young president.

    Again, you can’t point to one single achievement of Obama’s, so all you can do is keep quoting the Nobel chairman. My, I’m sure you were head of the debate class at Dumb Cluck Academy.

    And Jesus called people fools – as you would know if you weren’t as ignorant about religion as you are about – well, everything else you’ve expressed an opinion on.

    Have someone blow in your ear – I think your head needs a refill.

  144. 144. Cichawoda

    146. Donna V.:
    “all you can do is keep quoting the Nobel chairman”

    It is his committee that gives out the prize – it’s their choice so their reasons count the most. They really don’t care what you and I think about them.

    As for Jesus of Nazareth – yes he did call self righteous people like you fools. – have a nice day dear :-)

  145. 145. Cichawoda

    144. view from afar:
    “I actually live in Europe”

    I’m sure you can also see Norway from your window.

  146. 146. Marina

    (137. Marina:
    Has anybody already seen the internet version of the video where the guy from the Committee announces that Obama has won (in Norwegian, I think) and the people boo? Would you please post the link? Thanks a lot!)

    Found.

  147. 147. David S

    I like the comments on the “alternate reality” being constructed by the left. So you have noticed that your world only makes sense if you stick to FOX news and PajamasMedia? That every other source of information is somehow corrupted?

    Strange isn’t it? Couldn’t be that your worldview is out of sync with the world, could it?

    Nahhhhhh. Obviously FOX is full of truthiness and the others are not.

    Peace.

    DS

  148. 148. Matthew

    “Bottom line: this action is less the awarding of a prize than a kick in the teeth aimed at traditional American power and prestige”

    To an obama supporter, that sentence seems ironic. Right now, obama is actually INCREASING american prestige, and he’s using “american power” for something useful. I don’t see what the problem is.

  149. 149. Stevemmn

    All those who claim Obama has accomplished nothing are missing the point. It is worse than that: Barack Obama has failed at everything he has attempted as president. In the last 9 months Obama has this to show:

    - He has offended long time allies such as Great Britain, pulled the rug out from under Eastern European allies depending on us for protection, and earned the contempt of France for his policy of appeasement toward Iran, which is tough to do!
    - An apology tour that has accomplished nothing
    - A stimulus plan that has failed to stimulate
    - An attempted government takeover of healthcare that so far has failed
    - A cap and trade plan put on the back burner due to lack of support.
    - An Olympic bid that failed despite an intense buildup and hoopla
    - A war in Afghanistan that grows steadily worse as he dithers.

    The two people who deserve the Nobel Peace Prize more than anyone else in the world over the last 50 years will never get it. Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II won a Cold War and brought down and evil empire together without firing a shot.

  150. 150. Cichawoda

    152. Stevemmn:
    “Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II won a Cold War and brought down and evil empire together without firing a shot.”

    Wonder if Putin would agree with your analysis? The only thing that demented (and I mean that in a clinical sens) old man Reagan managed to destroy was the American middle class.

  151. 151. Donna V.

    Uh, duh, Mr. Selective Reader and habital liar, David S.: see the link at 135. Also read Richard Cohen. CBS news (not Fox, CBS) is also worrying that this will backfire on bambi. Oh yes, it sure will, CBS!

    Then there’s this quote:

    “No matter what you think of Obama, the man has done nothing, at all, to deserve it. ”
    -Weston Kosava
    Newsweek

    You and Cichawoda the bimbo are so focused on your lint-clogged belly buttons, you can’t see what is plain to every sentient being on the planet – bambi has done nothing to deserve this.

  152. 152. adam

    Stevemmn (152): I disagree that what you list are failures, with the exception of the cap’n trade bill, which does correspond to the Democrats’ desire to permanently weaken the economy and reduce it to governmental life support–all the rest are successful steps in weakening the U.S. abroad and at home. As Charles Krauthammer argues in the new Weekly Standard, Obama and his followers believe that the US is the main threat to the kind of world order they believe in: one governed by the “international community.” To get there, the US must be shrunk, its defenses weakened, its alliances destroyed, its economy hobbled. All that is proceeding well. Obama and his cohorts are extremely limited and incompetent, but unfortunately destruction is much easier than creation.

  153. 153. PAthena

    Who nominated President Obama between January 20-February 1, 2009? Who supported his nomination? How has he promoted peace by opposing the democratic governments of Honduras and Israel? By snubbing Great Britain and treating Poland and the Czech Republic like dirt by announcing that the U.S. would not put anti-missile weapons in them without even consulting them? Deferring to dictators Vladimir Putin of Russia and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and to Ahmadinijad of Iran, giving little support to all those who have protested the fraudulent elections in Iran?

  154. 154. TriGeek

    News Flash: Che Guevara has just been nominated for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize, based on the fact that he hasn’t killed or tortured anybody since 1967 and he looks really cool on T-shirts.

    In all seriousness, the guys who place those “Peace Poles” all over the place deserve the Peace Price more than Obama. A true leftist idea as to how to bring peace to earth. Hammer a pole into the ground that says “peace” in a bunch of languages. Can you imagine how much different the world would be today, if Hitler had only been able to see one of these “peace poles”?

  155. 155. TriGeek

    While I am at it. What kind of bazzaro world do we live in when all these lefty trolls are tells us how to be patriotic.

  156. 156. Banned by Huffpo

    This just in:

    Nobel Committee revokes literature award given to Herta Mueller, bestows on Barrack Obama for “Dreams From My Father” by Bill Ayers; cites “egregious error” and “hasty reviewing” by committee members.

    “Obviously, we made a major mistake, one which will not be repeated,” stated Peter Englund, one of the judges.

    “We have already decided that next year’s literature award will go to President Obama for his spell-binding book ‘Dumps of My Dog Bo On The White House Lawn.’”

    Available soon in hardback and paperback from Soros publishing.

  157. 157. Donna V.

    Even Time magazine is getting into the Let’s Make fun of Bambi spirit:

    http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1929415,00.html
    Top 10 Obama Backlash Moments:
    1.The Nobel Prize for Effort
    2.Ich Bin Ein Celebrity
    3.An Audacious Acceptance
    4.The Ubiquitous President
    5. Beer Summit Gone Wrong
    6. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
    7.Obama Loses to Rio
    8. Annie Get Your Gun
    9. Not So Likable 10.Date Night

    I’d quibble with the order, and I can easily think of 30 Obama backlash moments, but hey, Time isn’t used to mocking bambi. This is a new thing for them.

  158. 158. DaRick

    Poor Citizen:

    “I never said he deserved it, but what I meant..was that the conservatives in the USA underestimate how popular this president is compared with his predessor. Actually, I believe that both you, and the president are correct in that now..this president must earn the award. And more importantly, he must use his prestige over the next 4 to 7 years to try and fix some very, very bad problems in the world. Will it happen? … who knows. And we should be proud of our president, and our country today. America is now quickly being restored to being a beacon to the world. And nobody should fight over that. Good Job America!”

    First off, I appreciate your response.

    Second of all, I’m not an American. As such, Barack Obama is not actually my president (I was no fan of McCain, but I would not have voted for Obama). I’m an Australian and my PM is Kevin Rudd (a centrist, FWIW). If Rudd (or John Howard) had won the award, I’d still be shaking my head, so don’t worry. I’m not trying to be partisan. It’s about merit – as you yourself gladly admit.

    I’d wager that Barack Obama looks relatively popular now (I mean, compared to what I think he’ll be like later), because it’s still early in his tenure, the media are spellbound and a minority within the American public are arguably racist (for voting for him exclusively because he’s black). Hell, even George Bush was very popular during his first year, from memory.

    You hope that he’ll fix the world’s problems. I think that his naivete and encouragement of tyranny (implicitly or otherwise) will ultimately do the opposite, but there you go. Also, America being restored to a beacon of popularity in the world may not necessarily be a good thing. Even as a foreigner, I can recognise this. What is popular isn’t always right and vice versa. So be careful what you wish for.

    This is of course, not considering the merits of the prize itself. I’ve already discussed those.

    As for me, I’m not entirely conservative. I am what you may call a secular Catholic with a couple of leftist leanings(believes in God, dislikes going to church, anti-abortion, ambiguous about euthanasia and stem cells, believes in separation of church and state). However, I do take the side of conservatives with regards to economics and foreign policy and that’s why I am pessimistic about Barack Obama.

  159. 159. TriGeek

    Sorry- Meant “telling”. “Preaching to us” works too.

  160. 160. Delia

    I LOL’d and stopped taking the PP seriously after Gore the Global Warming Whore ‘won’ it.

    Time to come up with a new prize giver for people who do honest work against tyranny, socialism, communism and injustice and who truly work in earnest for peace.

    I do feel bad for the people who were in the running and definitely deserved the honor.

    :\

  161. 161. frml

    Roger,
    Some- mostly his supporters- say that the prize was “premature”. Does not that assume that he will be doing something worthwhile, eventually? They know this for a fact? You had the right tone; commentary that solemnly explains why he does not deserve this award look silly. Levity, ridicule and laughter are the only responses appropriate for this farce. (My favorite comments were “Jaw, meet floor” and that he won’t win the prize for Literature because he had actually already written two books.)

  162. 162. Annie

    Obama might be “popular” around the world, or so the press in America would have us believe, but at home this is questionable.

  163. 163. ThumperNM

    Way too much fun reading all of the frothing at the mouth posts by those of you so whooped up by the President getting rewarded for being the complete opposite of Bush. You let the “W” have 8 years to screw up our financial foundations, start an immoral war against a country with NO ties to 9/11 and now our President gets a Noble for being a human compared to a morally repugnant war monger.

    I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Have a good weekend.

  164. Hey, if Arafat and Gore can get one of these little things, why not Obama? Today’s peace prize is the moral equivalent of getting a Darwin Award. Come on, nobody could possible take this crap seriously LOL

  165. 165. BarlowJI

    I never wanted to rate a 2nd rate huckster like Obama with this much influence, but the Nobel Peace Prize gives me a very creepy Nicolai Carpathia vibe. Then again they gave it to a terrorist like Arafat so maybe I should chalk it up to consistency in character judgement.

  166. 166. Donna V.

    Wonder if Putin would agree with your analysis?

    Oho, yes, Putin is a real moral exemplar. Gee, maybe he’ll win the Nobel Peace Prize next.

    Really, there’s dumb and then there’s Cichawoda, who occupies a whole new universe of moral and intellectual stupidity.

  167. 167. Donna V.

    From the NY Times wingnuts:

    “But the prize quickly loomed as a potential political liability — perhaps more burden than glory — for Mr. Obama. Republicans contended that he won more for his star power and oratorical skills than for his actual achievements, and even some Democrats privately questioned whether he deserved it.
    The reaction inside the administration was one of restraint, perhaps reflecting the awkwardness of winning a major prize amid a worldwide debate about whether it was deserved.”

    Cichawoda the cabbagehead: “A worldwide debate? What debate? All enlightened beings love my holy Messiah. The chairman of the Nobel Prize committee has spoken and we must heed his wise words! Gosh, what wingnuts they must have working at the NY Times.”

  168. 168. Nolan

    Why all the derisive comments about the Nobel Prize, and Yasser Arafat’s rightful place in history as a man who abandoned violence in favor of diplomacy? If Henry Kissinger could win this prize, then the bar was already set pretty low. Let is remember that Manachem Begin too (winner in the late 1970s), was a former terrorist. I agree the Obama’s selection is puzzling. But he’s not at fault for using the award and the platform to demonstrate that the US is on the path of a new direction, instead of bloody, unwinnable, wars which are bankrupting the nation.

  169. 169. Beth in Texas

    Cicha-whatever,
    The Nobel organization is one I do not highly regard – my previous sentence was grammatically correct. You just misread it. Stick your red correction pen in your ear. I do not highly regard recipients Kofi Annan, Yasser Arafat, Jimmy Carter, or Al Gore, either. I do think the Dalai Lama deserved his award, but Obama didn’t think him worthy of a visit. Oh, that’s right. The Dalai Lama was a fan of George W. Bush!! The irony…

  170. 170. seansarto

    Giving away other people’s stuff is a precursor to greater conflict last I checked…Easy influence though…

  171. 171. vivo

    Name any American conservative Nobel Peace Prize in the last 50 years . . .

    Name any American conservative Nobel Peace Prize in the next 20 years . . .

  172. 172. Suztours

    Obama’s “handlers” have made a BIG mistake… they should have waited at least a year or two (or into the third year)… while he might still be without accomplishments, they could have spun the whole thing differently. While the “prize” lost credibility when it was awarded to Arafat and Jimmy Carter, now it is surely void of any importance whatsoever.

  173. 173. JFP

    Cichawoda:
    So, would you agree that if they had given the prize to Reagan in his first year it would have been a good thing? Of course not, based on what you said about Reagan above.

    Giving a prize like this to someone who hasn’t done anything to deserve it is just embarrassing. As one liberal (Peter Beinart) said, you don’t give Oscars to people before they’ve put in a great performance. Nor is the Nobel literature prize given to people who haven’t yet written something great.

    And how will you feel if the White House is bombed tomorrow and, after a miraculous escape, Obama becomes a warmonger?

    You don’t have to be a conservative to find this embarrassing.

  174. 174. arild

    COULD A NORWEGIAN MAKE A SQUEAK HERE, PLEASE?

    1. If you read on the Norwegian blogosphere, the dominant view is that this award is a complete scandal.

    2. The opposition, represented by Ms Jensen and Mrs. Solberg, has already asked the Chairman of the Nobel Comittee, to “reconsider” his position

    3. On opinion polls in various newspapers, among those having made up their minds, 60-70% are against this award.
    This is also true of most Obama-supporters, who thinks this is “far too soon”

    4. The downward spiral of the Nobel Peace Prize began in the 1970s, when people like Brandt (1971), Kissinger&Tho (1973) and Sadat (1978) were given the prize.

    5.The 1980s was the last very “traditional” and good decade for the prize, with deserving names like Walesa, Tutu, Wiesel, Dalai Lama among the best.

    6. The 1990s saw several blunders, like the above-mentioned Arafat prize (1994), but also de Klerk’s in 1993 (Mandela had to share that award), Gorbachev’s (1990) and Hume&Trimble (1998).

    7. In the 2000s, the prize has deteriorated greatly, and Mr. Obama would do all of us a favour (and gain respect) by declining to accept the prize.
    That that would be the death knell for the prize itself is something we Norwegians would find a way to live with.

  175. 175. Michael

    Yes the world loves Obama. The world also hates America unless it it plays lap dog to each socialist state, each dictator, each society who says their is no black or white in anything. Look at how horrible the world thinks we are for wanting to incarcerate a rapist of 13 year old girls.

    I think that being associated with a none science Nobel prize has become shameful.

  176. 176. Sablady

    I believe that your position is misplaced. President Obama does in fact deserve it. He has positioned America in a more noble position where other countries of the world know that we are NOT unilaterally forcing our positions on them, but we are inviting other countries to take part in a global debate.

    It is easy to throw stones. What are YOU doing to make the world better? Name calling?

    check out my blog on google:thehonestyproject365.blogsdpot.com

  177. 177. Stevemmn

    153. Cichawoda:

    “Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II won a Cold War and brought down and evil empire together without firing a shot.”

    “Wonder if Putin would agree with your analysis? The only thing that demented (and I mean that in a clinical sens) old man Reagan managed to destroy was the American middle class.”

    What difference does it make what Putin says?? Nothing.

    Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the 20th century, not only did he win the Cold War without firing a shot but he rescued the country from 4 years of malaise economic stagnation and misery index, brought unprecedented prosperity to the country and his peace dividend helped make possible the budget surplusses of the 1990′s.

  178. 178. 6079SmithW

    Poor Citizen: (#27) said:
    “The world is very much appreciative of this president and the breath of fresh air he has brought to the world stage.”

    On the contrary – that breath of fresh air is really the stench of Chicago corruption writ large on the world stage.

    The corruptors recognize their own kind and feel quite comfortable in the foul and fetid air they all breathe!

  179. I have just come to the conclusion that the entire world with but a few exceptions has gone completely insane, and most especially the committee that bestowed this “Prize” on a man of remarkably few accomplishments and almost no real experience. Obama seems to be on an endless campaign one that I grew tired of even before the election.

    Not really sure which I found more surprising that he was elected in the first place or now that he was not only nominated for this prize but actually won it. For some reason I honestly feel that I am in a nightmare that I can not wake from and with this prize being the ultimate absurdity. Oh well I shouldn’t really be surprised since Jimmy Carter and Arafat as well as Al Gore and his powerpoint “movie” also won it!

  180. 180. Now and Then

    181. Stevemmn:
    Nine months into Obama’s presidency and unemployment is 9.8%. This after being handed the worst economy since the Great Depression. Two YEARS into Reagan’s presidency and unemployment was 10.8%.

    “possible the budget surplusses of the 1990’s.”

    So you can credit a prior Republican president for progress made under a Democratic president, but you can’t blame a prior Republican president for shattering the economy and walking away.

    Why do you hate America? Why do you want America to fail? Why do you agree with the Taliban and Hamas?

  181. 181. adam

    I’ve seen it noted that the Obama phenomenon is very similar to that of millenial cults, like that formed around the Jewish false Messiah, Shabatai Zvi, in the 17th century. This is probably the first time that such a cult overtook an advanced, industrial civilization, and the elites (rather than some marignalized and desperate groups) of that civilization. Anthropologists and historians will be studying this for a long time; right now, our job will be to survive it, because when disillusionment sinks in once and for all there will be some powerful scapegoating as a result, and also because it’s not clear that we have a normal society to replace this cultish overlay with anymore. In brief, something twisted has overcome the West, and whatever it is will probably need to play itself out, with unpredictable but likely devastating consequences.

  182. 182. malvern41

    Henry Kissinger also got the Nobel peace prize for betraying South Vietnam, bombing Cambodia and thus precipitating its takeover by the Khmer Rouge, and sponsoring the bloody coup d’etat in Chile. Remember also that Arafat shared the peace prize with Israelis Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin (subsequently assassinated by one of his countrymen). And Jimmy Carter succeeded where none had succeeded before by brokering peace between Egypt and Israel, a peace that amazingly enough persists. And why did he succeed? Because they trusted him to be impartial.

  183. 183. Donna V.

    Name any American conservative Nobel Peace Prize in the last 50 years . . .

    Kissinger.

    Next question?

  184. 184. Donna V.

    Oh, and so what if I hadn’t been able to name any American conservative peace prize winners? All that means is that a small committee of Norwegian leftists don’t like American conservatives. Nothing more.

    It’s even clearer today that that many libs have mixed feelings about this – see today’s NT Times headline. That makes the reaction of the PJM trolls all the more entertaining. Vivo, jharp N & T, etc. are like bozos who leap out of their seats to wildly cheer and applaud a bad play. After standing there for a few minutes giving the crappy actors a standing ovation, the doofs glance over their shoulders – and notice that nobody else in the theater is clapping. Comedy gold!

  185. 185. TomF

    For those (including Obama) who think that the way to peace is through appeasement. I got news for you, it normally doesn’t work with bullies and the world is full of bullies. America is despised because it is strong, but it doesn’t mean that it is a bully. Somebody has to deal with the bullies and it appears that for the time being the bullies have liberty to do what they want with our PPP (Peace Prize President).

  186. 186. Cichawoda

    177. JFP:
    “So, would you agree that if they had given the prize to Reagan in his first year”

    I never said if I agree or disagree with Obama getting the award – my opinion is irrelevant. The people on the committee thought that he deserved it for changing the tone of the international debate in many areas from unilateral bullying to respectful diplomacy – I’m proud of that. I found the last administration embarrassing – kind like Donna V. – the loudest drunk, belligerent old lady in the trailer park.

  187. 187. Cichawoda

    190. TomF:
    “America is despised because it is strong, but it doesn’t mean that it is a bully.”

    #1 – people don’t despise America, just the America people like you represent. People love Americans and the America that stands up for the ideals it was founded on. The bullies you talk about have already defeated the likes of you – you live in fear and anger.

    #2 – Name one conflict or bullying action, since WW 2, that was a long term success and led to the bettering of life for the people involved?

  188. 188. Ron

    Nice, you stuck to ALL the talking points!

    http://badattitudes.com/MT/archives/2009/10/nobel_peace_pri.html

  189. 189. Michael

    Supporting the policies of Obama will cause America to fail. At least the policies he promised. At least so far our Nobel Leader has not been able to push those polices through his Democrat controled congress.

  190. 190. ThumperNM

    TomF: Said:
    “the world is full of bullies.” Absolutely correct, Dick the “Vampire” Cheney ane his mini me President showed that when they planned to attack prior to coming to the Presidency in 1999 and by attacking with “shock and awe” in 2003. Iraq was waged for oil and to fix the errors of Bush I in not forging on into Bagdad during the Gulf War.

    Estimates vary on the number of Iraqis killed but Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield have the blood of hundred of thousands on their hands. Bullies indeed.

  191. 191. DaRick

    Now and Then:

    “Why do you hate America? Why do you want America to fail? Why do you agree with the Taliban and Hamas?”

    Disliking Obama and wanting him to fail in implementing his agenda is NOT the same as despising America. Even as a foreigner, I can see that. It is somewhat evident that Obama is NOT America.

    I would like Obama to be seen, 50 years from now, as a truly great President. That would mean that he did indeed do considerable good in this world (like Truman and even latter-day Roosevelt). However, I don’t think that’s going to happen. IMO, he’s going to be viewed like Jimmy Carter is (probably even worse).

    Also, just because the Taliban are right about one thing, it doesn’t mean that they’re right about anything else. The Taliban are medievalist religious reactionaries. Why on God’s green earth would anybody here support their general agenda (enslaving women, etc.)? The fact that they agree that Obama’s prize is undeserved is coincidental and they probably believe that for entirely different reasons to the rest of us.

    Point is, anybody who believes that Obama prize-dissenters = Taliban is disconnected from reality.

  192. 192. HonestJon

    Maybe they ought to rename it “The Noble Puss Prize.” For obvious reasons…

    regards

  193. 193. vivo

    187. Donna V.:

    ‘Name any American conservative Nobel Peace Prize in the last 50 years . . .’

    “Kissinger.”

    ” * The United States Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 for his work on the Vietnam Peace Accords, despite having instituted the secret 1969–1975 campaign of bombing against infiltrating NVA in Cambodia,

    the alleged U.S. involvement in Operation Condor—a mid-1970s campaign of kidnapping and murder coordinated among the intelligence and security services of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay—as well as the death of French nationals under the Chilean junta.

    He also supported the Turkish intervention in Cyprus resulting in the de facto partition of the island.”

    He must make you proud . . .

  194. 194. Cichawoda

    196. DaRick:
    “It is somewhat evident that Obama is NOT America.”

    Judging by approval ratings, although down from a peak of 70% approval earlier this year to “just” 58% today the approval ratings are going back up. Yes Obama and his polisies are favored by the majority of Americans and especialy the young. I know that a lot of you have been saying “The young don’t know anything.” – but they are the future and most of you will not be around to see if you were right or not.

    197. HonestJon:
    “rename it “The Noble Puss Prize.” For obvious reasons…”

    Only cowards are afraid to work towards peace. Like with dogs – the most fearful are the first to bit.

  195. While I agree that the Nobel committee did Obama (or its own reputation) no favor by giving him the award, the predictable snottiness of your remarks don’t help you either, Mr. Kimball.

  196. 196. Donna V.

    Vivo: you asked for the name of a US conservative who had won the Peace Prize. I supplied it. I also gave my opinion that the Prize is a meaningless one.

    If Kissinger was a poor choice for the Peace Prize, you would think that might lead people to question the judgement of the Committee members when it came to other picks. But apparently it doesn’t – not when you’re a leftist who is a stranger to logical thought.

    The only Nobel prizes which truly mean something are the science ones, awards which are given for something concrete and objective.

  197. 197. vivo

    201. Donna V.:

    “If Kissinger was a poor choice for the Peace Prize, you would think that might lead people to question the judg(e)ment of the Committee members when it came to other picks.”

    Actually it just shows that the Nobel people have focused on positive achievements while ignoring negative aspects. Their thinking was different from other convoluted minds.

  198. 198. Gaffe Prices

    Maybe they should start calling it the Nobel Bribe™.

    No wonder 0bama pines for Islam? It’s his only hope of reining in that fire breathing spouse of his.

    Ever notice her response to his winning the election that night? Wouldn’t even share a kiss with him on stage; spurned his efforts there in front of everyone. I guess there’s no pleasing some people.

    What do you give the man who has everything? Answer: Iz-slum. Who needs to live like a king when you can like a sheik or a sultan or a shee-mam. Strike a deal with the Taliban, (that will put the women in their place) give the Taliban a voice in their own (OCCUPIED!!) land. After all, aren’t they being spurned too in their efforts to bring islam back to (occupied) Afghanistan by the failed policies of the past?

    Yes, the war has become “unsustainable”, (to use his word). Where are the trolls to harangue us with the trillions spent every day in the HALIBURTON wars in the middle east? So send in the trolls. Don’t bother, there here.

    vivo obamo,
    (dit-dah-dit, dah, dah, didit)
    vivo obamo
    (dit-dah-dit, dah, dah, didit)
    vivo, vivo obamoooooooooooo!

  199. 199. DaRick

    Cichawooda:

    “Judging by approval ratings, although down from a peak of 70% approval earlier this year to “just” 58% today the approval ratings are going back up. Yes Obama and his polisies are favored by the majority of Americans and especialy the young. I know that a lot of you have been saying “The young don’t know anything.” – but they are the future and most of you will not be around to see if you were right or not.”

    Actually, I am fairly young myself, believe it or not. It is just that I’ve gone from being a centrist on most issues to being center-right over the past few years. Young people also tend to become more conservative as they age, as they are burdened by kids and not as carefree as before.

    As Winston Churchill said:

    “Anybody who is not a liberal at 20 has no heart. Anybody who is not a conservative at 40 has no brain.”

    Like I’ve said, Obama is popular (or relatively popular) now because it is early in his tenure, the media are spellbound and because he will always have a core constituency (the Jeremiah Wright-esque nutcases). It is not really a reflection of how great he is. I mean, bloody hell, even ol’ George managed a high approval rating (in the 70′s, IIRC) post 9/11.

    Your 58% doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny, either – especially given that’s the number who thought that undue politics was involved in the Nobel Peace Prize. His approval rating, as of October 11, is closer to 49%, with more people viciously against him than rabidly for him, according to Rasmussen Reports (not exactly a far-right poll).

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  200. 200. Donna V.

    Actually it just shows that the Nobel people have focused on positive achievements while ignoring negative aspects

    Uh, so, tell me again what Obama’s positive achievements are, o ye of remarkably unconvoluted mind (i.e. simpleton).

    Here’s something he’s managed to achieve in just the past few days: he’s p.o.ed Andrew Sullivan and other left-wing gay bloggers because it’s dawning on them that he’s all talk, no action. Tossing gays under the bus, well, that’s quite a feat, I must say.

    DaRick: At some point, the ditzy college Obamabots are going to enter the real world and it will slowly dawn on them that the Dems do to taxpayers what Polanski does to 13 year old girls. And that they, and their children, will bear the brunt of it.

  201. 201. Cichawoda

    205. DaRick:
    “according to Rasmussen Reports (not exactly a far-right poll”
    I find Pollster.com statistically more convincing because it is an agglomerate of all current pols: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

    Myself – I am fairly old and looking around at my peer I don’t find Churchil’s statement to ring quite true these days but than again we would have to consider what he meant by conservative. I think he would find that what currently passes of as conservative in American was way of in the realm of what was considered loony in his day.

    I think you underestimate Obama and his team. By the next State of the Union he will have a lot to show (stuff you might not like but what many Americans demand) and a new and renewed mandate with the majority to further and consolidate the changes most Americans need for a safe and prosperous future.

  202. 202. Donna V.

    I don’t find Churchil’s statement to ring quite true these days but than again we would have to consider what he meant by conservative.

    Once again, Cichawoda reminds us that she knows as much history as my dog knows calculus.

    It’s been a few years since I read William Manchester’s biography of Churchill, but off the top of my head I can recall that Churchill opposed the British unions during the Great Strike of 1928, fought (and was a POW) in the Boer War, and wanted the UK to rearm during the ’30′s (Cichawoda undoubtably would have denounced him as a warmonger). He believed in the British Empire and firmly opposed the USSR (he coined the phrase “The Iron Curtain.”)

    It is true we do not know his views on topics like abortion and gay marriage – simply because such things were not issues in his day. Nobody, left or right, argued for them. Homosexual acts were illegal in Britain until the early ’60′s.

    So, pray tell, oh boneheaded one, where you get the idea that conservativism was somehow kinder and gentler in Churchill’s day?

    I am fairly old and looking around at my peer I don’t find Churchil’s statement to ring quite true these days

    Ha! So you’re not a spring chicken either, eh? Well, remember the quote ends :”if you’re not a conservative by 40, you have no brain.”

    So you have no brain and neither do your friends. The fact that airheads of a feather flock together doesn’t prove Churchill was wrong.

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