John McCain, the 2008 Election, and Civil Unrest
There is an interesting story about the 2008 election coming out of Wikileaks. Memos from Stratfor released by Wikileaks say that widespread voter fraud occurred in Ohio and that “black Dems were caught stuffing the ballot boxes in Philly.” The McCain campaign knew about the fraud but feared taking action because of the “possibility of domestic violence” if they challenged the results in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
The memos say campaign staff urged candidate John McCain to act in court:
“Staff felt they could get a federal injunction to stop the process.”
One of the Wikileaked memos says: “Sen. McCain chose not to fight.” The reason?
The memo states:
“McCain felt the crowds assembled in support of Obama and such would be detrimental to our country and it would do our nation no good for this to drag out like last go around, coupled with the possibility of domestic violence.”
With the blessings of hindsight, we see that fear of mob violence in our country is no longer a hypothetical in the mind of a presidential candidate. The call by the New Black Panther Party in Sanford, Florida, to seize (or kill) a private citizen is no longer the stuff of a senator’s imagination.
Recall Philadelphia was where the entire New Black Panther Party controversy started on election night. Poll watcher Bartle Bull has opined that one purpose of the presence of the New Black Panthers was to intimidate poll watchers, the exact people trained to detect and memorialize polling place misbehavior. That’s another reason why the dismissal of the lawsuit by the Holder Justice Department, even before discovery took place to investigate the events in Philadelphia, was such a blow to the rule of law.
Whether or not ballot boxes were stuffed by “black Dems” in Philadelphia is probably something we will never know. What we do know is this: First, that people in the McCain campaign thought they had evidence of election tampering that cost McCain the election. Second, that McCain thought it best for the country to do nothing about it, in part because of fears of mob violence.
America is coasting along a slippery surface, and small concessions to the mob can resonate in ways we can’t predict. In seven months, we have a chance to reverse the mistakes of 2008, even if only to stand up to the mob this time.
Which raises the problem of Philadelphia. Obviously something is going very wrong in the City of Brotherly Love. Elections there are a big giant spigot for the Left to keep the state blue. GOP poll watchers are thrown out of precincts, New Black Panthers stalk the polls, and, worst of all, not enough poll watchers are available to cover all the precincts. It’s time that changed. That’s why True the Vote is holding a summit April 27-28 in Houston, to mobilize and train a poll-watching army to deploy across the nation in November.
If you are sitting on the couch on Election Day watching it on TV, if you are at work instead of not using available leave, if you aren’t inside the polls on Election Day to prevent the mess of 2008 from repeating, you aren’t doing enough. If not 2012, when?
Americans so often look back at history and try and figure out why bigotry becomes mainstream. It’s simple, bigotry becomes mainstream. That may seem overly obvious but it’s true. You’re spot on about the slippery surface. Certain quarters in this country have de facto permission to make the most outrageously racist statements and promote racial advocacy. Goose-gander won’t sit down for that forever.
Racism has already been re-institutionalized in America, this time from the former victims. Those former victims have used massively false portrayals of American history and used cheap psychology based on generational hangovers to do it.
So, here’s how it happens: perception and mitigation going hand in hand. The NAACP, invoking, not 2012 but 1930, accuses the Tea Party of being racist even though it is not formally organized around race – the NAACP is. Mitigation, explanation and blame straighten that picture out until the desired effect is achieved.
Nothing speaks to the Sudeten-ization of race in America like the Trayvon Martin case. Racists on the Left popped up out of the Left and simply made up reality and ignored statistics. Even the NBA said, “Please intervene in the Sudentenland.” You can’t get more mainstream than that.
The Dem Party is inching ever further towards the intellectual and philosophical space once occupied by the Nazi Party. Their Wannsee Conference is diversity and multiculturalism applied to white people, who are considered endemic and incurable racists who’s numbers must be pared down. Like the Jews in Nazi occupied Europe, guilt is simply conjured up. When it was first announced a few years ago that whites would be a minority in 2050, black pundits openly cackled about it on mainstream TV shows. They didn’t wear swastika armbands or have monocles and so became just a potted plant or something.
America is very far down into a perceptual trap, led by Obama, Holder and the Dem Party – payback for the unfairness of Jim Crow at Versailles is the goal. The same trap where the lesson of Jesse Owens at the 1936 Berlin Olympics was ignored by the Nazis. They went down in flames a decade later. Something will eventually go down in flames in America and it will be burnt by insane political correctness which has already apparently indoctrinated OWS mobs in the street who show not the slightest awareness of real history or nuance, but instead display a physical brownshirt force egged on by mainstream politicians and celebrities that hates Faux News, Sarah Palin, rich people or whatever other Jewish analogue or Sudenten 99% they can get their mitts around, including actual Jews.
Even if you’re wrong about Guns and Roses
Well stated. I couldn’t agree more.
The thing is,these thugs aren’t former victims of racism.Not one of them was a slave,almost none of them were involved in the civil rights protests of the 50′s and 60′s.They are primarily invoking the injustices of people long dead to resurrect racism for their own profit.They seem to be intent on creating a new racism.
Thank you, sir.
The legal precept of one vote per citizen is a sacred doctrine that defines and governs the representative republic in elections. Voter fraud is an abhorrent criminal offense that devalues the integrity and veracity of elections. Only qualified people should be allowed to participate in the electoral process. A voter-ID requirement is appropriate to verify the voter’s identity thorough an authentication process established by law. Many states have established voter-ID laws that required the voter to authenticate his/her identity. States do facilitate provisional ballots for citizens without ID. Voter registration fraud is perpetrated by third party organizations, such as ACORN, who assist people cast fraudulent or illegitimate votes at the ballot box by fictitious voter registration. Many ACORN employees have been indicted, prosecuted, and were convicted of criminal voter fraud offenses.
A biometric or photographic ID requirement should be implemented to verify any person’s identity. A biometric ID system consists of seven-items: fingerprints, hand geometry, palm vein authenticity calibration, retina scan calibration, iris scan calibration, facial recognition, and voice analysis scanner. A photographic ID consists of a state driver’s license, state-issued ID, military-issued ID, or passport. A biometric/photographic ID system would function to verify the identity, eligibility and residence of voter registrants to preclude non-citizens and illegal aliens from voting in elections. Biometric and photographic ID could be processed at a DMV Office. Proof of citizenship should be requested to preclude the registration of non-citizens who are not eligible to vote: legal and illegal aliens. The sufficient proof-of-citizenship documentation should conform to passport application standards. Every first-time voter registrant should submit satisfactory evidence of citizenship with the acceptable documentation for that purpose.
The election verification system is merited by a uniform database administered by the state election bureau. The Heritage Foundation published a legal memorandum, which could be located at http://report.heritage.org/lm0070 on the topic of voter-ID. The uniform voter registration database should have biometric or photographic ID to substantiate the voters’ identity. You should read Voter Photo Identification: Protecting the Security of Elections authored by Hans von Spakovsky, which is located at http://report.heritage.org/lm0070. PA Governor Tom Corbett (R) has signed a Voter-ID Law on March 14th. Pennsylvania is the ninth state to impose a strict voter-ID requirement and the 15th state to approve a photographic voter-ID requirement. Two states Minnesota and Missouri have voter-ID ballot question initiatives for the electorate thereof to modify the state constitution. Five states with Democratic Governors have vetoed Strict Voter-ID legislation approved by Republican Legislatures: MN (Mark Dayton), MO (Jay Nixon), MT (Brian Schweitzer) NC (Beverly Perdue), and NH (John Lynch). In conclusion, vigilance should be exercised by the people at the polling stations to detect voter fraud.
Hang on, the “one man, one vote” thing is a progressive creation of an activist Supreme Court in the 1960′s. The Unites States Constitution has the legislative branch with Representatives equally distributed among Congressional Districts, and Senators representing states, two to a state. Many states had the same system until the Supreme Court stepped. This changed the balance of power, and the one or two largest cities in a state skew work on a wide range of issues. The result has been more tax revenue disproportionately flowing to larger cities. In Illinois, a governor can win by carrying Cook County.
When Senators were elected by State Legislatures, they represented the state that sent them. 23 of the 24 longest serving Senators have served since the Constitution was changed for direct elections.
Note that dividing a state into single-member FTFP districts is not a constitutional requirement.
Yes. Biometric IDs. Because the state doesn’t already have enough information on us, and can’t currently access it easily and quickly enough.
DisneyWorld uses biometrics to match your thumbprint to your ticket so people can’t pass tickets around. Seems a small price to pay to prevent voter fraud.
But how does just any individual verify the biometrics? A card with a picture I can hold up to your face. We can then take a picture of both, and I then hold in my hand proof I can take with me. It may be forged, but the proof of that transaction will be observable to everyone.
Every government agency must now be looked upon with skepticism. When Joe the Plumber came to public notice, within 24 hours, some Obamite bureaucrat leaked his personal information. I really don’t like this computer voting stuff. Now one can manufacture votes from the other side of the world, leaving no trace. If the lack of any government interest in voter fraud doesn’t convince you that every single thing needs to be removed from independant government control into direct citizen supervision (not chosen people who are chosen by those same self-serving bureaucrats), I don’t know what will.
This government is not only unresponsive to us, it is directly opposed to us. We need to gut it as thoroughly as possible, and remove all arbitrary power from it. You know. Like the Founders wanted.
Let’s not give them any more control than they already have. There is no such thing as good government intentions.
Putting even more of our personal information in the hands of the government, to be used and abused as they wish, seems a small price to pay for you? Okay…
The Constitution went down the rat hole when the DNC allowed Barack Hussein Obama to be placed on the ballot in 2008. They knew he was not a “natural born Citizen.” They did not vet him as John McCain had been vetted which ended with a Senate resolution declaring McCain a “natural born Citizen” via Senate Resolution 511. In hearing Senator Leahy declared that a “natural born Citizen” is a person who is the child of TWO PARENTS that were American citizens at the time of their birth. He said that no less than 4 times in the hearing. The document itself states that a “natural born Citizen” is the person born to two CITIZENS. The irony in this is that then Senator Obama signed the damn thing. Here we have an American hero being vetted for the Constitutional requirement and a Chicago thug and community organizer not being vetted for the Constitutional requirement. Go figure!!
The entire mess concerning the now proven forged birth certificate, fraudulent SS# flagged by E-Verify and the forged Selective service are all symptoms of an effort to deceive the American citizens as to the true identity of the person we elected as POTUS. The Media (Conservative included) failed all of us. The Republican congress has been enabling this to continue.
I was stunned to find out in 2008 that a birth certificate isn’t one of the documents required by the FEC when a candidate files to run for president. It’s spelled right out in the Constitution.
The Constitution says absolutely nothing about requiring a birth certificate being presented to run for President.
Given that most births were recorded privately in the 18th century, it would have been a rather remarkable anachronism if it had been spelled out.
The requirement of natural born citizenship is spelled out. We now issue documents that attest to this status.
Clue: The Constitution doesn’t call for the establishment of the FEC, either.
We do not issue documents that spell this out.
Birth certificates do not specify the nationality of the child, or for those who believe it necessary, the parents.
Nor does the Constitution specify presenting a birth certificate.
Clue: “Spelled out”, like “literally”, has a specific meaning.
I’m guessing you mean the Republican HOUSE, not the Republican Congress… the Republicans don’t control the Senate. That said, there is very little the House can do about the issue since if they were to attempt to impeach President Obama it would be the Senate conducting the trial, and we all know how that’d work out. Anything the Republican House tried to do would just get ignored by the Senate and nothing would happen as a result.
We can live without Birtherist conspiracy theories.
Obama was elected by the Electoral College.
I don’t agree with his policies, and I don’t much like the man either.
But he’s the legitimate POTUS.
Except of course other people have said a natural born citizen is one born in the country, and that has been affirmed by the Supreme Court.
The Constitution is therefore quite safe on that account at least.
Apparently, the man we all have regarded as the greatest of our war heroes abroad has a yellow streak a mile wide at home. He permitted himself to be steamrolled, and America to be defrauded, by his silence, not only about this issue, but about every single issue negative to Obama that was identified during that campaign. McCain could have addressed it all, including the eligibility issue (if it was fair game for him, why not for Obama?), but he took the coward’s way out. Because he was worried about rioting in the streets? Perhaps. Or maybe because he was just hedging his bets in maintaining his status in the Senate. Whatever his reasons, by failing to pursue this issue as the crime it was, he aided and abetted the felons, becoming an accessory after the fact, and was at that point forsworn in his oath to “preserve, protect, and defend”. It may not have been malfeasance, but it was certainly dereliction of duty. I lost all respect for McCain when he rolled over and played dead to hand Obama the White House, and now I know it was out cowardice in the face of domestic terrorism.
Excellent comment, Fail Burton.
I wonder when the leftstream media will pick this story up?
McCain has been an utter failure his whole damn life. He got shot down, because a week before, he almost sank his own carrier through negligence and stupidity. He should have gone stateside, but would you want to confront Dad and Grandpa, both actual war heros and Admirals, after screwing up like that? Instead, with bad wounds which should have grounded him, he went on a mission and got shot down. Duh!
The reason he didn’t save his own butt when the Vietnamese offered to send him home was the same reason he didn’t go home after the accident. His family would have disowned him in shame.
He is and was a jackass, one of the worst pandering fools ever elected to anything. In fairness to Mittens, any comparison at all to that ignoramus is grossly unfair and more than slightly ridiculous.
Arizonans must be pretty effing stupid to keep electing him. They only listen to his campaign BS, forgetting all his “reach across the aisle” betrayals of us.
McCain has been a disaster for the Republican party.
– the WashRag’s confident predictions, Sen. Hatch of Utah has just been forced into a primary run. Perhaps he can reach across the aisle to his dear friend Teddy — oh, wait! Ted isn’t there anymore…
No, we aren’t all stupid here in AZ, BUT there are many who think Jonny MuhCain is “wonderful” because he panders shamelessly to senior citizens and “moderates,” also known as liberals too gutless to admit it.
Also, MuhCain ran one of the dirtiest campaigns ever in 2010 to get re-elected. All the sleazy tactics and dirty tricks he declared “beneath” him in ’08, were in full force against J.D. Hayworth.
I find him to be despicable and as sorry that he is one of my Senators as I am that Raul “Greasy” Grijalva is my congresscreep.
I agree. McCain saturated the air waves with attack ads against JD Hayworth even before Hayworth declared he was a candidate. I wish he had been one tenth as aggressive in going after Obama as he was going after McCain.
No, we aren’t all stupid here in AZ, BUT there are many who think Jonny MuhCain is “wonderful” because he panders shamelessly to senior citizens and “moderates,” also known as liberals too gutless to admit it.
Also, MuhCain ran one of the dirtiest campaigns ever in 2010 to get re-elected. All the sleazy tactics and dirty tricks he declared “beneath” him in ’08, were in full force against J.D. Hayworth.
I find him to be despicable and am sorry that he is one of my Senators as I am that Raul “Greasy” Grijalva is my congresscreep.
John J, if you were standing in front of me, I would beat you within an inch of your life.
John McCain is a mediocre Senator, and a terrible Republican, but his military service is above reproach. Your comments are so dishonorable and repugnant, it is unbelievable. Your ignorance is amazing, and your vile and venomous statements deserve a good old fashioned ass-whooping.
When you have voluntarily chosen to undergo years of torture rather than violate the honor and trust of your comrades and your service, then you can speak to me again.
John J, thanks so much for saying what I have been saying and writing for years.
Alan, you’ve bought into the McCain family’s story that the son of an admiral who was son of an admiral was a hero rather than a low IQ screw-up.
How many real heroes are dead because of combat SNAFUs created by the likes of McCain and Kerry who owe their degrees and social positions purely to nepotism.
You could try.
Also, besides your unthinking, blind worship of McStupid, what did I point out that was incorrect? Did he not, through being a jackass, almost sink his own carrier (read the report. I don’t need to. I already read it)?
Was he not given a medical transfer back home to recover, that he pretended not to get? Did he then, despite his Medical Officer’s express advice to the contary, fly the next mission in considerable pain and discomfort, making himself too vulnerable, and thereby getting shot down?
His Grandpa, I would have voted for in a heartbeat, for any office at all. A hero in two World Wars, a man among men.
John McCain was and is a horse’s butt. He has done far more damage to this country than he has done good. Leaving your long-waiting wife for a hot young heiress tootsie doesn’t exactly make you a saint, either, and given the outright stupidity of their daughter doesn’t make him look too smart, either.
Right-wing military worship kool aid doesn’t taste much better than the lefty crap.
If memory serves correctly, Benedict Arnold served gallantly … right up until he committed treason. Military service is no guarantee of the man, nor should be a shield from his acts of treason. I put McLaim and Kerry, Murtha in the Benedict Arnold category.
Did he not, through being a jackass, almost sink his own carrier
If you’re talking about the fire on the USS Forrestal, you couldn’t be more misinformed. McCain was sitting in his A-4 getting ready for a mission when it was hit by a rocket fired accidentally from another plane. I’ve seen the video. How could he cause a rocket to be fired from another plane? He couldn’t but there are a lot of people out there spreading vicious lies about this terrible accident.
If there’s another incident that you’re talking about, I’d like to see some evidence. Never liked McCain but voted for him because as bad as he is, he’s still far better than Obama. McCain’s a jackass but Obama is far worse.
I live in AZ as well. Some day I’m sure I’m going to meet him, at which point I’ll introduce myself: “Hello Sneator McCain. Please allow me to introduce myself. I’m one of the hobbits.”
They would have been right to disown him in shame had he broken the Code of Conduct by accepting special treatment from the enemy. You get out of a POW camp when you escape, get liberated by your comrades, the war ends, or a prisoner exchange occurs. You do not willingly cooperate in enemy propaganda in order to secure early release. I don’t know enough about his service record to comment on his competence as an officer, but I do know that Sen. McCain did exactly as he should have by remaining in the POW camp rather than accepting parole for propaganda reasons.
John McCain’s heart and soul was broken in that horrible POW camp. John McCain should have gone over to Senator Jon Kyl’s office and grabbed his hand and taken him to Phoenix, AZ and sat down with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his lead investigator Mike Zullo for a whole day. He and Senator Kyl should have then taken the boat load of evidence right into Senator McConnell’s office and Representative Issa’s office and demanded an investigation into this man who is the Usurper in Chief. McCain of all people should realize the seriousness of this crime. So, since he did not do this, I am with John 3 on this one. McCain and Kyl are as guilty as the criminal himself. They might just as well be driving the get away car. They are enabling this treason to continue. How sad is that??
– he was broken, whereas some POWs chose instead the breaking point of death before dishonor:
Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda “confession”. He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, “I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine.”
(Go enjoy the uncountable homes you and your rich second wife own.)
As an officer and a gentleman (using those terms loosely in this case) Mav should resign.
You might wish to view the US Navy training film “Trial By Fire.” Play close attention to the first few minutes of that film.
“The reason he didn’t save his own butt when the Vietnamese offered to send him home was the same reason he didn’t go home after the accident. His family would have disowned him in shame.”
How would you know why? Mindreading? Show your evidence.
“people in the McCain campaign thought they had evidence of election tampering that cost McCain the election. Second, that McCain thought it best for the country to do nothing about it, in part because of fears of mob violence.
America is coasting along a slippery surface, and small concessions to the mob can resonate in ways we can’t predict.”
small concessions?
Terrorists are scary. We should do as they say.
This is why AG Holder doesn’t want voter ID. This would do away with the possible millions of illegal votes cast. The way to stop this is voter ID. Everyone alive who is legal gets to vote ONCE only.
Keep in mind that if voter ID demands ID produced by the government, then the SEIU (through the DMV) has been put in charge of voter ID.
Instead of having to produce thousands of voters in a day, they will produce tens of thousands of IDs, and have the absentee ballots all prepared ahead of time.
Rather than voter ID, we need to use the purple ink like was used in Iraq. No absentee ballots. One voter, one vote. We can arrange to have a state poll watcher for soldiers overseas.
you’re correct. purple or other ink should (i hate that word) be used!
Mm-hmm. So people on business trips, and cross-country truckers, and home-bound seniors or disabled people (possibly veterans), and college students who want to vote in their home state and district, and who knows how many other categories of people…I guess they should just be SOL.
No dice. Demanding ID to vote is perfectly reasonable. Closing off the possibility of getting an absentee ballot is not.
You’re right; some people need to use absentee ballots, since they are not physically able to be at their polling place on Election Day.
But their use for the sake of convenience needs to be curtailed. Likewise the practice of “early voting”. I don’t see a need to make voting any easier than simply showing up at your local polling place on Election Day. It only encourages voting by lazy and disinterested people. Who needs them?
Election Day used to be a ritual that promoted a sense of civic engagement and common purpose. “Convenience voting” destroys that. In my area, the polling places are open from 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM. I can vote either before or after work and it’s never been a problem. How many people have to work 13 hour shifts, after all? I would think very few, and thus they can use absentee ballots.
I’m all in favor of voter ID and purple ink.
Sorry, but no absentee (fraud supporting) bsllots
If you don’t care enough to plan your time so that you can be at the polling place at a date set more than a year in advance, then you value your other activity more. It doesn’t matter if you are a business man on a trip, a truck driver or a student.
Somehow, our ancestors were able to plan a days travel to the polling place on horse or shanks mare. Certainly we can do the same.
I’ve volunteered at too many places were people who literally cannot remember who they are from one hour to the next, magically know who to vote for when the smiling ‘voter aid’ comes calling.
Only those on active duty military should be able get special treatment.
So what you’re saying here is that people who don’t “care enough” to plan ahead to NOT be on a business trip or making a living, or don’t “care enough” to NOT be disabled, shouldn’t get the opportunity to vote. Again, no dice. Unless you want to make it illegal for employers to send people on trips in the temporal vicinity of Election Day, and unless you want poll workers to go around to the houses of the aged and the infirm, you’ll never get any agreement from me.
Absentee ballots and early voting have opened the fraud floodgates. If you are too infirmed to really understand what you’re voting for, you should not be allowed to vote. That’s how black churches and other dem organs pack votes. They go to nursing homes and get names and “help” them vote (fill it in for them). The whole thing stinks.
New York liberals, through early voting, are now proud that they vote in New York City, the Hamptons, and Florida. Stupid college kids take absentee ballots for home and then vote at college. That’s why turnout has gone up ever since motor voter, instead of down, which is how it was trending before.
Real adults know that for every innocent Republican who can’t vote, there’s probably a Democrat, so they cancel each other out. This trying to make everyone feel good at the expense of accuracy and accountability must stop!
This is what dems do: they make a feel good argument based on “fairness”, then use that to pervert the system. Motor Voter was Slick Willy’s payback to Dems. If you can’t see it for what it is, you’re too stupid to vote, too.
Everyone should vote, in person, at their proper polling place, between 7 and 7 on the same day. Period. (Except for the military, who should get to vote early so that their vote actually gets counted, which it certainly does not, now, as a rule)
Amazingly enough, when I go to fill out an absentee ballot application in my state (which, being a graduate student, I have done for several years now), I have to show an ID, just as I would if I went to the polls. I surmise that’s the law ’round those parts. If your state doesn’t do the same, then that’s the fault of your elected officials. I guess I’m just lucky enough to live in a state where they prize protecting the right to vote enough both to keep it broadly available, and also to keep its citizens accountable against fraud.
As for the rest of your “argument,” I recognize that voter fraud takes place, and I agree that it needs to be curtailed. But there are other and more effective methods of doing that besides simply saying “If you don’t show up at the polls from 7 to 7, it sucks to be you.” If your “solution” to the problem involves effectively eliminating whole categories of people from being able to exercise their right to have a say in their own government, then I promise you, I’m not the one here who’s too stupid to vote.
You can bet that if Holder had evidence that millions of Republicans were voting multiple times each he would change is position in a nanosecond.
– another Civil War, but a crumbling and collapse something more like the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror.
Mr. Adams, Thank you for writing about the urgency to police the elections and the great work True the Vote is involved in. I am but a volunteer member, currently doing some voter roll research in Ohio and worked the polls on Super Tuesday this past March. I will also be working the polls in an inner city district this November because I am convinced it is essential. One of the things I witnessed on Super Tuesday was the lack of bipartisan representation at the polling location. There are no where near enough volunteers to actually have sufficient representation at all of the precincts. Without bipartisan representatives, the monopoly party can get away with whatever it wishes. Let this be a wake up call for people to take personal responsibility and ensure that elections are free and fair. Only then do we truly deserve the government we elect.
I am certain that there will be enough voter fraud to throw the election to Obama.
If, as expected, the GOP takes control of the entire Congress, they would have to force a constitutional showdown – announcing that they would not recognize Obama as President.
However, as Obama is doing now, he will inflame his minions – and that is primarily the black community and the professional left – to violence, even going so far as to attacking whites/Republicans in cities all over America, with the intent of drawing an armed reaction.
This would result in an all-out, racially-based civil war, which Obama would use as a pretext for seizing dictatorial control, abolishing Congress, and shutting down all opposition media, while the lapdog MSM applauds his destruction of Democracy.
This all sounds Glen Beck-ish, and a couple of years ago, I scoffed at him for ideas like this, but as I have seen how Obama, Holder, the DNC and the MSM are setting the stage for suppressing attempts to monitor voting, and encouraging racial hatred, I fear that Democracy in America may be coming to a close.
The “other” side doesn’t want an all out civil war based on race. They would lose, badly, and then all their freebees would be gone. They just want to agitate enough so that they can keep getting extra benefits from the treasury. If Obama ever tried to declare himself dictator, he would probably have General Patreaus or maybe the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs forcibly removing him.
Remember the oath of enlistment states that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic as first and foremost before obeying the President of the United States and the officers appointed over them. While it wouldn’t be 100%, most in the military would not take kindly to an Obama coup. You’re only as powerful as you military allows you to be. The left thought they try, has not yet driven out the love of country in the military, and it will not sit idly by, especially with congressional support and allow Obama and his Czars to take over.
Army officers, in today’s career Army, no longer honor their oath to the United States Constitution. Well one did, LTC Lakin, and the U.S. Army crucified him in a Kangaroo Court. Without a draft we have an untrustworthy Army.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IzGEJvxOO0&feature=player_embedded#!
This organization was founded after Obama became president. Check it out.
You mean Ron Paul’s pet organization, that endorsed Veterans Against the Iraq
You mean Ron Paul’s pet organization that also endorsed Iraq Veterans Against the War founder and KGBTV “personality”/Vladimir Putin agent Adam Kokesh for Congress?
The “other” side doesn’t want an all out civil war based on race. They would lose, badly, and then all their freebees would be gone. They just want to agitate enough so that they can keep getting extra benefits from the treasury.
And what’s more the Left wants Americans to remain asleep. Apathy is their best friend. But unfortunately very few conservatives, much less Republicans, realize this. Or if they do realize it, they are too cowardly to dare be impolite.
As political strategy, the O-Team uses many of the same mob intimidation tactics as the Bolsheviks, Maoists and Nazis did. Republicans always seem to think that Marques of Queensbury rules apply while they get in the ring with Democrat cage fighters carrying brass knuckles. Of course if they ever take the gloves off, the MSM is right there to cry foul while ignoring Democrat sucker punching.
The sad reality is that we’ve finally reached a point where a sufficient number of eligible voters are either too ill-informed, undereducated or downright stupid to recognize the game that’s being played; or they are perfectly content to have the U.S. slide into a social welfare state where they will be provided just enough to get by and not have to work for it. And this demographic is growing.
If anyone thinks the failure of our public education system is anything but the result of an organized, long-term plan they are utterly mistaken.
Agreed that that demographic is growing, but I suspect it won’t last long before it devolves into chaos as $1.5 trillion deficits won’t carry it for long, then the progressvises will have to start selling off Yellowstone, Mt. Rushmore and the Washington monument to keep pace with their Utopia or Waters (Maxine) could socialize, I mean take over the oil industry or whatever idiots like her think they can do, which they can’t as someone WILL stop them. There just aren’t quite enough fools in this demographic on the left to pull this off just yet. But the whole house of cards will collapse long before there ARE enough of them.
And to Eric, I don’t forsee the left having a prayer of winning a civil war, when it comes down to it there are just more guys like me who will only take it so long than there are of these whinny thugs banging a lead pipe in their cowardly hands. I’m betting I’m more willing to take a hit than they are (not trying to be macho, I’m most decidedly not, but I’m not taking that crap sitting in my easy chair or cowering before these idiots).
I mostly agree with Ric in that I don’t really think the left wants a civil war, why would they want to screw up the gravy train as this action surely would. No these are classic bullies who cave when they actually come up against someone who will confront them head on. So far no has or CAN since hacks like DOJ under Holder protect their behavior.
I think for the immediate future the military is on the side of the constitution. If it ever leaves that side then we are done.
But I think we all agree that something not good is growing, coming our way and I am certainly not sure how it will manifest itself, but it will manifest and sooner rather than later.
The left does not want a civil war and neither do ANY other minorities. Look at the favored treatment the Muslims get here in our country and around the world. Their avowed goal is to dominate our world and either convert us or kill us with no real preference for either one. The Blacks under Obama’s reign are learning that when the DOJ is on your side no matter what you do then they don’t want to rock the boat either. We are witnessing a reversal of national values and those of us that still think in terms of civility and country first will be crushed if we do not become hardened to their aims. McCain is/was a disgrace to his nation and his party during the 2008 campaign. I served during the same time he did in Viet Nam and other than some real bad memories I do not feel that my service should EVER excuse me from traitorous behavior in any position of national responsibility. At least half of the nation expected McCain to put up a fight to the best of his abilities and not to cave for some esoteric reasons. We now have a president that should have never even been a US Senator let alone the POTUS for so many reasons from birth to honesty of his background! McCain by his cowardly action and campaign created this nightmare for us and our children. He is guilty of anything that you want to claim. There are many of us vets who make NO claim on our service and expect no special allowance for poor judgement on any position of responsibility.
The stage seems to be set for riots no matter what.
Allowing the threats to derail our constitutionally mandated processes must not be allowed.
The Constitution must prevail!
mccain lost PA by about 600,000 votes and OHio by about 250,000
does anybody seriously think that more than a few thousand phony votes were cast
Good point Lord Garth.
The vote in the Electoral College was 365-173. Even if you took the 41 combined electoral votes of
PA and OH away from Obama and added them to McCain’s total, he still would have got spanked.
Obama beat us fair and square. It’s our job to beat him fair and square.
The original article didn’t make the point that PA and OH fipping would have changed the outcome, only that the report said some on McCains staff wanted to challenge the results in two places because of what was stated in the article.
yeah right ..like obama beat hillary fair and square. dems cheat ..all of them and all the time.
@LordGarth and @JohnSkookum:
You have missed the point. Failure to prosecute even one instance of identified voter fraud, or identified voter intimidation, simply emboldens the perpetrator for the next go-round, and worse, enables him to quietly spread the word about how easy it was. Nixon in 1960 lost the election by 100,000 votes; he, too, chose to “spare the country”. It is likely that a recount in Illinois, where voter fraud by the Chicago machine was widely suspected, would have turned the election in his favor. Well, look at the results of his faulty judgment: the policies of his opponent led to a coup d’etat in favor of president more sympathetic to a war machine, and if we had never had Johnson we would not now have the Great Society and a bankrupt welfare state. Also, the lawlessness of that election in turn set the stage for a corruptocracy, making the brothers beholden to forces that may or may not have been the cause of their deaths. Elections do have consequences, and so do fraudulent elections. It’s anyone’s guess now what a 1960 Nixon administration would have meant to us, but it is safe to say that America would have been a much different place, possibly better.
Anyway, the crooks did what they could to steal the election in 2008, and if the fraud was not in itself sufficient to change the electoral count, it may well have been sufficient to change the composition of Congress (think Al Franken, for one). Steal enough elections, and you can change the world.
Yeah, my own mostly white, suburban Philadelphia county went for Obama by a whopping 8 points. It wasn’t close.
No doubt shenanigans happened in Philly (they usually do), but he won Pennsylvania fair and square. Alas.
I don’t think they were really afraid of race riots. I think they are obedient to the billionaire oligarchs and were told they were going to lose the election. The race thing is just for members of the public who don’t understand that orders for election rigging come from a level above US governemnt. It’s the same reason that no one in congress will speak out on the Obama eligibility, fraud scandal. The people at the highest levels of our government are all either part of or afraid of the cabal. It transcends party.
“The Constitution must prevail!”
AMEN to that!
“not enough poll watchers are available to cover all the precincts”
Have the National Guard watch the polls. Implement the equivalent of the two-person policy, used in handling nuclear weapons and associated components, for every ballot box. If a ballot box shows up wherever they tally them without two Guardsmen in charge of it, that box doesn’t get counted.
A six-man team for each polling place ought to be enough to provide both overwatch and potty breaks.
this is why you bring video capability to the polling site!
Recall that in the 1960 election there was evidence of voter fraud in Illinois and Nixon decided not to pursue it because he didn’t want to put the country through the trauma of a disputed election.
Nixon showed more class than Gore.
But what did he save us from? I think that the last half of the Twentieth Century would have been considerably different if Nixon had become President in 1961. I doubt if we would have had the Berlin Wall, the Cuban Missile Crisis and Vietnam at the very least.
There is never a good reason to give up.
And fraud in Texas as I recall.
But the problems with counterfactuals like your’s is what might have happened instead. Nixon was the Left’s G. W. Bush in those days, and economically he was a disaster (remember the wage and price controls?), compared to e.g. JFK’s supply side tax cuts (under Eisenhower the top marginal rate was 90% (!)).
And Gore and the Left’s actions threatened then and to this day the legitimacy of our political system; I’d think you’d have to be a lot more desperate that Nixon and the Republicans back then to contest a razor sharp win or loss. Especially since, at least in the foreign policy arena you focus on, the arguments were over means more than ends. Both were unimpeachable anti-Communists, it just turned out that JFK was fantastically incompetent at it, something that I don’t think could have been predicted at the time of the election.
I should have read a little farther before I posted my comment above. You said the same thing, in much more concise form. Although, I don’t think Nixon would have been lacking in class had he asked for even one recount. Gore on the other hand, forced it into the hands of SCOTUS by demanding recount after recount and denying the right of each state to determine its own electoral processes, in accordance with Federal law.
Even that worked out for the better, in many ways. Bush was President on 9/11 (I shudder when I contemplate the alternative), and voter mechanisms in many states were re-examined and improved as a result of the Florida debacle.
Eric R -
There were so many of us in 2008 who were treated as if our hair was on fire. Well, now I hope that those who are seeing the unmitigated disaster that is Obama will apologize but I doubt they will. Willful blindness is so convenient.
The path that the US is proceeding down has been seen in the past. There is a reason that the road to hell is paved as it is. Obama and his followers have the best of intentions they assure us. Absolutely and totally honorable intentions or maybe not. I do believe they are willfully ignorant. Or maybe not.
What happens should tensions explode this summer? Over St. Trayvon & GS. Or? Or?
The Progs need to be careful what they wish for. They may get it.
A very good point indeed, R. Daneel. We are heading for some form of social chaos, and the Progs believe they can actually retain control over it when it happens.
I’m certain Robespierre believed the same.
Wherever McCain shows up, America loses. Vietnam, Savings and Loan, TARP, Obama.
What a craven SOB McCain turned out to be. He asked us in his Convention speech to stand and fight with him. Then, he failed to fight for us be ause of FEARS. FEARS!?!? What about standing up for the rule of law and for fair and free elections? McCain’s refusal to buck the usual Democrat electoral theft was a grave disservice to America. So he feared racial mob violence. What does he think Obama has been stoking? It’s gonna be unavoidable and even worse this year because Obama has had three and a half years to stoke the fires of racial animosity. He’s been very diligent at doing that.
You won’t find much about it on the net, but ballot stuffing and voter intimidation happened in other places as well. It was reported to have happened in a couple of counties in Alabama. There were a couple of stories about “irregularities” in local papers, but nothing beyond that. I suspect it will be worse this go round.
William, I wrote an entire book with a chapter devoted to what happened in Alabama. Check out the big giant photo on the sidebar of the book.
I looked that up on Amazon. Do you just talk about the 1965 events or the events from a few years ago?
Events from 1965? I don’t even talk about those. I talk about the last 15 years in counties in Alabama.
OK. The stories I’ve heard are mostly 3rd hand. I’ll check out what you have to say about it. Its good to see someone outside of the area is aware of it.
you cannot go wrong with this book, truly worth every penny.
Both Dem and Rep party are toast after this coming election … they have both proven to be worthless and have betrayed the American people. John McCain is but one classic example of many Republican representatives that upon arriving in DC are swept up into a political whirlwind and establishment power. The entire fiasco
in our government is strictly about power and control; citizens just have to stand in line and behave. Despicable. There are voices in congress that shout this out but currently they are not heard … it may take another 4 years with a guy like Mittens as a transition to something sincere and just.
Husky – the disaffected have been predicting the demise of the Republican or Democratic party for decades. At one time decades ago even I did. I was wrong. It isn’t going to happen. They will be the two dominant parties for many many years to come.
The opening shots of a race war have already been fired. A new and hostile culture (where race is but a marker) has developed within the country. At the moment the war is expressed in small acts of terrorism and marking out of territory. There is nothing being done to counter this trend – quite the opposite – and so I don’t doubt it will continue and intensify in the coming years.
McCain never stood a chance in ’08… because of McCain-Feingold. he was forced to play by those rules, and Obama just ignored them. It was a trap set for the guy who was “next in line”. And McCain helped set t for himself. the alst month of the campaign, McCain was outspent some 4 or 5 to 1. The last week, he was broke, could not run ads. So, no, it was ballot box stuffing.
I firmly believe that most guys who want to get into politics do not care which side they play for. They just want a seat at the table. So, they look around the political landscape and look for an opportunity. If the opportunity is with the Dems, they become Dems. Same for becoming a Repub.
When McCain first ran for office, Reagan was the champ, so McCain became a Republican, but his preference was always to pander to the Press to get elected. So, he leaned Left. But he has no actual leanings of his own. It’s all crass opportunism.
Romney is the same. he wanted Kennedy’s Senate seat, but there is no way the Dems would back him, so he became a Repub, but campaigned to the Left of Kennedy. He just wants a seat at the table. He is another crass opportunist, masquerading as a Republican, with no real leanings of his own.
He’s just like the majority of establishment Repubs, and that’s why he was their choice. The vast majority of his fund-raising came from the big donors of the Republican Party. He now runs far behind Obama and the DNC in fund-raising, because the number of small contributions is relatively very small. He has the establishment guys, but he doesn’t have the people.
I have read many of your posts, and you have good things to say. However, I do not understand how you can see no real difference between these two candidates. It seems apparent that Obama has done everything he can, openly and covertly, to socialize the US, to centralize as much power as possible, to create rulings and facts that most people in the US oppose…between Romney and Obama, the choice looks obvious to me.
Thanks Larry.
Romney is a lot of things, some that I don’t like, he wasn’t my top choice, but I’ll take his Agency/Department appointments and SCOTUS appointments in the short run over anything the current Marxist in the WH has and will do. We know who he will appoint. The idea that we can get through another Obama term and fight another day carries immense risk, we are being ruled by appointed bureaucrat Czars and Imperial edict. Give them the SCOTUS and it may be over.
In addition there are innumberable policies and regulations that have been implemented behind the curtain that we do not know about, we only see the big tickets like Obamacare, Stimulus, energy extraction and use shut downs, cap and trade by decree of CO2 regulation, etc. Who here knows what else these Marxists have been doing at all levels without our knowledge. We all know there is much much more to this.
That would make me paranoid with good cause and I am. I will vote Romney and take my chances as I know the devil we already have and I don’t like him and his court.
Thanks
Is there a difference? Yes. I do not believe for a second that Romney has contempt for this nation like Obama does.
However, Romney could make a fine Demcoratic nominee, could he not? Because he has an (R) after his name, he will basically get no opposition from a Republican Congress. Just like Bush.
Medicare Part D, unfunded. No Child Left Behind. 9/11, because he was busy pushing domestic stuff like the former items. The Patriot Act. Uncontrolled spending. The GWOT, the “religion of peace”, instead of Great war on Islam and the religion of violence. He screwed up in Afghanistan, Iraq, Russia, etc…. Then there is the vast number of regulations passed by the Bush administration. And the Republican Congress did nothing to stop him. No brakes. None.
But at least Bush chose truly Conservative Justices. Romney has no such record of doing so. He will choose some liberal Justices, like the judges he chose in MA. The Repubs will rubber-stamp them, and the Dems will approve, too. And it will be over.
He’ll make government run more smoothly, but he will not shrink it. That means, he will entrench it. When Republicans do stuff, the screw-ups become permanent.
romney will be like Bush, but without the strong social conservative outlook. It will be business as usual, only with the Repubs in charge, not the Dems. This was our last chance to fix this, I believe. Soon, the math becomes insuperable, IMO.
I pray to God I am wrong. Really pray.
I’ve charted out a lot of strategic plans to work through the process of collective bargaining to wind up with a a labor agreement sometime in the future that would be consistent with the objectives of my political principals. I’ve covered conference room walls with sheets of butcher paper covered with IF – THEN statements. I think I’m pretty good at it and pretty good at dealing with powerful and unscrupulous adversaries. That said, I’d be scared to death to have the Romney’s budget director or legislative liason’s portfolio should he prevail over the communist.
I got some good insight into how powerful the entitlement mentality is from my Califorinia in-laws. My two CA brothers-in-law are Central Valley working class heros and they sound just like conservative workingmen here in AK or in The South; actually they sound more conservative that a lot of Southerners because there’s a strong streak of populism in The Southern white working class. But, the Californians are not really conservative at all. They think somebody should pay taxes so they can have CalCare for their aging relatives and all the other nanny state stuff that makes CA uninhabitable for people like me. They’re fine with all the stupid environmental regulation right up to when things like the water cut-off start to effect their personal livelihood. But the livelihood is strangely divorced from the Godawful taxes and regulation; they just don’t get the connection between the fact that the groovy things they want are precisely the reasons they don’t have the money to have them Damned place is uninhabitable!
So, there is still a 50/50 chance, right? Don’t throw your vote away.
“New Black Panthers stalk the polls”
They should have the legal status of Al Qaeda.
Between Obamacare and Romneycare, the difference may not be worth the hassle. We’re past the tipping point when those are the choices.
Suggest you read my book Injustice Born Free. If you think there is no difference between Romney and Obama, you are mistaken.
You, and others like you, need to get your heads straight. The fact is the United States is NOT going to get rid of all entitlements, and probably will have a Universal Healthcare law fully functioning sometime soon. Their is a variable in the world that changes how we organize: population. You might not like it, but the truth is that we all, who speak of the future of government, wrestle with a Utopian view of the world (leftists embrace it), because eventually there will be so many people that the only viable means of survival would necessarily be greater civil and social harmony. Which means Socialisms of some type and form in the end. Now, you can bite your head off trying to get back to the good old days where there was still land to claim, dinner to be hunted, and crops to be cared for, or you can be loyal to the side that doesn’t promote racial division, class warfare, cronyism, double-talk, amorality, perpetual victimhood, etc. I’m not saying to embrace Socialism, but to stop saying the coniver, whiner, charlatan in the White House is the same as the Mormom guy. It is garbage.
Try to understand Fate. The fate of the world is not determined by men. Its shape changes as we grow, and we cannot see the end of it. We conform to it, but we can support those who are better to be in positions of leadership and authority – people with good attitudes (Romney), not someone with a veneer of a good attitude over a core of cynicism (Obama). Such is personal power: controlling what you actually can control. Romney is definitely NOT Obama-lite. Many of us knew what Obama represented before he got elected based on his associations, supporters, and record – I was one of them. Romney does not have the same implications as Obama did. Not even close.
A better way to understand Romney is this. He is a conservative politician who has struggled, in a winning fashion, because of the nature of the American people, politics, and location. Romney is a smart man who sees which way the wind blows and tries to make things work. There is no way his attitude is anything close to what Obama’s is.
It isn’t a choice between RomneyCare and ObamaCare, it is a choice between judges like John Roberts and judges like Sonia Sotamayor. I am going to vote for Gov. Romney to keep Pres. Obama from doing anymore damage to the court with incompetent, ignorant, Constitution hating lifetime appointments.
It would explain a lot about the McCain campaign in 2008, if he’d just given up after deciding that Obama losing would cause race riots…
If it’s come to that, let’s have those race riots. We can’t go on paying the Danegeld.
We can’t go on paying the Danegeld
This is so exactly right. I have to paraphrase this, because I’m at work and I don’t have access to the file on my computer but a while ago I was reading an author who spoke about appeasement. The statement went something like, if you pay barbarians to go away, and they suffer no losses, even in victory, then returning for payment becomes a pretty lucrative proposition for the barbarians.
McCain was an embarassment. More encouraging was the Republican Partys’ reaction during the Bush/Gore Florida chad hunt when Rev Jesse started bussing in the rabble for ‘spontaneous’ protests; miracle of miracles, busloads of well dressed conservative voters arrived. The Left was horrified to have to face their own tactics. It just wasn’t fair. That is what it will require. No more take the high road bullshit. Like McCain, Nixon, for the good of the country, opted not to challenge Kennedy who stole the election. Those days are over. This election is too important. Romney had better understand that. If the Left resorts to civil disobedience, we must respond forcefully. Or to quote our esteemed president, “if they bring a knife to the fight, you bring a gun”.
Shouldn’t McCain and his campaign staff be asked to comment on these charges before we get too excited? Maybe they’re true, maybe not, maybe McCain will confirm or deny them – truthfully or untruthfully – but the next step is to ask.
Looking at the electoral map from 2008, if McCain had won Ohio and Pennsylvania, he still would have been way short of winning the election. The electoral count was something like 350 to 150. Two states wouldn’t have been enough.
I’m not surprised there was fraud, but the election was not close enough to matter. That may be different this time.
New Black Panthers stalk the polls, and, worst of all, not enough poll watchers are available to cover all the precincts.
No, what’s ‘worst of all’ is that the New Black Panthers plan to roam unmolested again and that well-intentioned pundits believe that a poll watcher with a clipboard and an earnest attitude is enough to stop them. Too often, that clipboard is just a figleaf.
Uncounted (tens of?) millions now believe we have an A-G who suspends the constitution at will, backed by a racist/fascist in the WH and enabled by a familiar crew of trough-feeders. The calculation, it seems, by both Panthers and establishment, is that white guilt and fear will determine the result as usual. Problem: guilt and fear don’t travel at all well outside the familiar redoubts of the left.
You often hear the rather pious claim that truth is the first casualty in war. Well, not necessarily, it all depends on what you mean. We’re now at the point where MSM and black racists are likely to fall first; the fall may be hard and bloody. And ‘truth’ will be defined by the winner, as usual. Right now, our country is on collision course with itself, and shooting the messenger won’t help.
You sow, you reap. Why pretend otherwise?
The sacrifices McCain has made for this country were already legendary, now they become even more so. We may feel in hindsight that he did the wrong thing, but we can’t deny he did it for love of country.
The irony is that Obama will do no such thing if called upon this November. When he loses in Carter-like 49 state fashion, there probably will be rioting in some inner city areas. Rioting that could be stopped by Obama stepping forward and announcing that he believes Romney won fair and square, and that the rioters need to stop. But what we’ll get is more Gore/Obama demagoguery and class/race hatred from Obama and his people. The same people who have been shown that Bush won the Florida recounts no matter how they conducted them, and they still say that Bush “stole” the election. It will be worse this November.
The communists don’t want or need a race war. Blacks are only 12.5% of the populations and few are armed relatively. The inner city gangstas are armed but the common black citizenry simply doesn’t have the tradition of bitterly clinging to guns that whites have. When most blacks lived in the rural South they had little hunting tradition because being black and armed was a very good way to become black and dead. On the other hand, once you get out to the ‘burbs, a huge percentage of the white population is armed, many heavily armed.
What the communists need is to suppress the suburban white vote. They can steal the cities but they don’t need to; what they need from the cities is to roll up as high a vote count for the communists as possible to offset the opposition in the ‘burbs and the rural areas. So, they’ll engage in significant fraud in the Blue cities where it is safe for them and with all due respect to True the Vote, being an opposition poll watcher in the Blue cities will quite literally be taking your life into your hands. I don’t know how you’re going to get white, unarmed citizens to go into precincts that no sane white person would ever go, and not even get near if unarmed.
So, the simple way to suppress the white suburban vote is with riot and rumor of riot, with a dollop of intimidation threats thrown in. Just an announcement that the SEIU or AFSCME volunteers will be “observing the polling to prevent fraud” will be enough to keep lots of suburban mommies from the polls, and the still have the thermonuclear option of having the NAACP or NBP announce they’re going to have “observers” in white precincts. The squishy middle will either stay home out of fear or vote absentee, counting of which is easily manipulated. Many of the squishy middle will vote for Comrade Obama out of fear that his loss will lead to greater unrest; sad, but I believe true. If the communists can make it close, they can and will steal the election and the Stupid Party will reflexively want sit idly by and let it happen for the sake of “National Unity” or some such crap. We can’t let that happen, but if stopping it from happening leads to racial violence, I don’t know how that gets switched off, and I know lefties well enough to know that they aren’t much on having a plan for their plan going awry.
“We can’t let that happen…”
No, we sure damned cannot! This (the fricking left trying to destroy the US as we know it) is utterly ridiculous. I cannot imagine the good people (the majority) of this country allowing the small c’s to take it! Maybe I am not cynical enough yet. Obama simply cannot be allowed to serve a 2nd term; I don’t even want to try to imagine what this country will become if he does.
This article is a perfect example of why corruption thrives in this country today. There is no will to fight against it. Lying, cheating, and stealing is better for the country then exposing it, this is the attitude of the defeatist. This attitude seems to be the norm through out the government, from the local level all the way to the top. This up coming presidential election will far exceed in voter fraud then the last one because it is expected and those participating don’t care one way or the other. Since race or ethnicity supersede common law in our country, why do we bother to go though the sham of holding an election if stuffing the ballot boxes is acceptable.
McCain lost by more than 200,000 votes in Ohio and more than 600,000 votes in Pennsylvania.
I share the writer’s concerns re electoral fraud. But the reality is that McCain would have lost anyway.
I agree that 600K is probably too big a margin for fraud to have been decisive, but in any state with large Blue cities, 200K “extra” votes could be ginned up in the cities and with fraudulent absentees. Voter rolls are so inflated with transients, dead people, fraudulent people that so long as your “mechanics” know which names to attach to real people who really vote, they can just ride around in the vans voting over and over or just dump the fraudulent ballots in cities corrupt enough, and many black-run cities are hopelessly corrupt. You know the USDOJ isn’t going to peek under your skirts nor will a Democrat AG or DA. Hell, even a Republican AG might well be afraid to poke the snake of a big, Blue city.
I saw the Fox News special on voter fraud last night. They mentioned that Kennedy may also have stolen the election from Nixon, who also chose not to challenge it because it might set off violence in the country. Maybe, “violence” is a standard excuse to use when you’ve lost and want to save face. But maybe it is also true, in which case I would suggest every time the Republicans do it, they embolden the Dems to steal the next election.
I was surprised that the Fox special didn’t include an interview with Christian Adams and didn’t mention True the Vote. How can that be?
Except that many don’t put a lot of stock in Stratfor as a high-end “private intelligence service”. For example, see your PJM colleague Spengler (http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/25811/mcstrategy/)
Recall that the widespread rioting was the force behind the Great Society, which in turn resulted in intrusive gubmint and socialism, along with the comcomitant finalization of the death of the U.S. Constitution, irocnically declared a “living document” upon its demise.
The accommodation of Watts, Detroit and dozens of other general riots changed the country for the worse, and probably forever. This is how to understand McCain’s cowardice with regard to what happened in Ohio and Philly. Even worse, to me, was his cowardice with the N.C. Republican Committee, whereupon he declared terrorism to be off limits, and thereby signaled that he had no stomach for competing for the presidency.
Barry is not my President, but John McCain lost due to self-inflicted wounds combined with media malpractice, not voter fraud. McCain let himself look less competent than Obama and a significant majority of Americans who voted chose the new, relatively young celebrity over the crazy old man. My hope is that Obama is now “so 2008″ and Mitt Romney is both competent and ruthless in the 2012 Presidential dog-eat-dog death match.
One huge election problem here in Texas is that poll workers need to come from the precinct that is being monitored. Good luck finding a Republican brave enough to step forward in the worst African American neighborhoods. In my opinion, the election rules should be changed to allow poll workers to come in from other parts of the county or maybe adjacent counties. I’m sure Republicans can find some recent vets tough enough to work the polls in the worst neighborhoods, but the current rules don’t allow them to help outside of their own area.
George – you are not accurate about poll watchers needing to come from the precinct in TX, nor are you correct about the absence of poll watchers in all precincts. Suggest you google my name, Breitbart, Jackson Lee and Thug Tactics.
See my earlier comment about calling up the National Guard to monitor the polls.
Respect for our men and women in uniform is at an all-time high. Use that aura of authority and integrity!
While the “Blue” cities and even states might devolve into rioting, many of you have pointed out that the actual numbers of Brownshirts and their hangers on (that includes Civil Service Unions, OWS, race baiters, Academics, Media) are actually not enough to win any confrontation.
Do everything you can legally to truth the vote, get real voters to go to the polls and win. OTOH also make plans to enact “containment” on areas where civil disorder breaks out. Even simple things like erecting roadblocks and using social media to alert people to divert traffic away from areas of unrest will assist the local authorities maintain order (and there is no reason to start with violence or resort to armed “militias”).
For the next six months until the election, you can equally fight fire with guerrilla warfare; Samizdat like “Thanks Barrack” stickers on gas pumps or “Going Galt” and suspending purchases, investment and hiring until after the election to prevent any sort of recovery the media can seize upon. If people see an increasing disconnect between what the Administration and the media tell them and what is going on all around them, they will react, and since our side has the real numbers, the electoral victory will be big enough to overwhelm most attempts to steal local elections.
Plus as the Instapundit has been pointing out recently, there aren’t very many high quality union thugs anymore: private sector unions are moribund and that’s where you’ll find physically tough blue collar workers from industries (steel, mining, etc.). Public sector unions are were the action is, and, well, when they’ve not behind the counter your favorite pink collar DMV worker is much less threatening. Heck, compared to their blue collar compatriots they don’t like guns….
The unions have ‘fake thugs” down pretty well. They learned that they can’t sustain a strike, so they learned how to do virtual strikes with the help of their media friends. If a public sector union goes on strike at 5PM, they’ll have starving children and mommies with cancer who are dying because they lost their health insurance on the 6PM news. You could take a complete government shutdown except for managers and appointees to provide direct services, DMV, etc., and nobody who doesn’t vote Democrat would notice it for weeks. It’s bad enough that the mindless electorate believe the union claims of crippling shutdowns, but it is worse that Republican politicians curl in fetal position from fear when they do it. They can do the same thing with violence and intimidation, and it really doesn’t take much to just scare Hell out of your basic confrontation averse suburban, college-educated, white suburban American, the kind of person the Left needs to intimidate into either not voting or voting for Comrade Obama out of fear that a loss would create controversy and conflict. Just the sight of a bunch of scruffy public employees, pink or white collar notwithstanding, is enough to make a lot of people avoid wherever they’re gathered. A little faked or astroturfed violence replayed non-stop by the friendly media, and the media is ALWAYS friendly to unions, and you can make people think the whole damned Country is racked by violence.
There was nothing “fair and square” about Obama’s election in 2008; the MSM is 80% in the tank actively rooting for the guy. The press will willfully ignore any news that would be positive for conservatives while at the same time manufacturing (code: outright lying)to protect Obama and his criminal gang. We will never win unless we do exactly what McCain DID NOT DO and fight fire with fire. We have to be brave, honest, informed, involved and outspoken and let the chips fall where they may. Stop calling the socialist/communist/marxist Democrats “disengenuous” and say what they really are – damn liars. This election is for all the marbles guys….our freedom as a people depends on it. No one of us who calls themselves an American can sit on the sidelines and just watch, not this time. Mr. Adams, I will see you 27-28 April in Texas.
In light of the wikileaks revelation, does it seem over the top now that Democrats and a sycophant media stifled investigation of Obama’s life narrative?
Berg (a Democrat) was admittedly beyond the pale insisting that Obama was a Kenyan. It is not crazy that the third largest sheriff’s department in the United States has alleged the WH website posted birth document is a fraud or the six month investigation found that Obama’s selective service registration has significant flaws (filed with a two digit year stamp contrary federal law unlike others filed at the same post office).
Obama is an enigma that most refuse to question honestly. Holder had it right, we are a “nation of cowards” if applied in this area. No proof of birth in the United States. No conclusive proof of someone raised to firmly believe in the tenants of communism registered for military service in Cold War era 1980 to fight that affirmed ideology.
Community organizer, Annenberg Foundation and Bill Ayers, funneling taxpayer money to wife’s employer while an IL rep, ACORN, executive order closing from scrutiny college and medical docs, MMFA, won an IL election with sealed court documents against his opponent, 20 years in a black theology church, influence of Marshall Davis, 2008 campaign finances from unknown contributors, unresolved participation with his vacated senate seat, Rezko and his property in Chicago, critical race theory as part of his teaching syllabus, etc. The guy is bad news by any measure.
McCain is complicit in the perpetuation of fraud. He is a war hero well deserving of our respect but has failed to protect a citizenry, race riot threat or not.
Taking “the high road” versus left/liberal underhandedness means being beaten by having your own decency exploited as a weakness, sad to say. If would’ve been better for the election and everyone else in the long run had McCain called foul. Being too nice versus them this time around will be even worse, don’t let them get away with bad things.
McCain’s acceptance of Democrat cheating is nothing new. Kennedy became President on the Chicago Grave Yard vote. Nixon decided to let it pass in order to prevent a Constitutional crisis. Nothing is ever gained by allowing the Constitution to be violated, even a little. There is never just a little.
Very odd, I’ve been under the impression Wikileaks was way far left, and would never do anything other than toe that line. Hmmm….
Let’s be honest; In 2008, we had a choice of two disasters; McCain or Obama.
If McCain had been elected, it would probably be Mexican gangs at our polling places trying to intimidate the voters and poll watchers, instead of black panthers.
It’s obvious, now, that blacks are a little more patriotic to America, however little.
The blame for lame falls mainly on McCain.
He took a dive, and he could have been somebody; he could have been a contender. He didn’t have to be a bum.
http://rightwingfringe.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-did-john-mccain-know-about.html
What Did John McCain Know About Election Fraud In PA 08 Elections ?
Its not so much a question of will the democrats cheat during an election as that has become accepted as gospel with mountains evidence to support it. The question that now arises is where and how they choose to cheat ….in what states and precincts will they do so and what methods will they use. We already know that in Philadelphia they will or have used armed and uniformed members of the new black panther party to intimidate voters in an effort to keep them from casting their ballot. And as most are aware of they have the support of obama and the Dept of Justice under Attorney General eric holder as they chose to halt a prosecution AFTER they had obtained a conviction of several members of the new black panther party.
We now have just released E Mails from Wiki Leaks that suggest that they were stuffing ballot boxes in the city of Philadelphia as well in the 08 elections and that the McCain campaign was aware of it and chose to do nothing, concerned that any action on their part would have led to violence by obama’s supporters. If it is the case that McCain declined to proceed on an issue as serious as this because of his concern of how obama’s supporters would have reacted then it is best he lost. In any case if these allegations are true, is this now what we want our elections in the future decided by…..FEAR. Will it now be elections are decided by the party who can put the most thugs and stuffed ballot boxes into play and then because of the fear of riots in the streets we accept the results of that election. Have we become that spineless and complacent that this is what we have become ? Christ I hope not because if so, we should have just surrendered to the Soviet Union 50 years ago and saved everyone a helluva a lot of trouble.
If true, this is shameful. Does my vote count? Or is it erased by voter fraud?
We need voter ID at the polls.
if most people consider themselves conservative ..then how did obama win?
many people know nothing about what is going on especially if they get all there news from the legacy media (I include FOX in that group as well)
In a nationally televised campaign event in 2008, McCain said to his audience, and I’m paraphrasing his remarks, that “you have nothing to fear from Obama.” A more inept, ridiculous, repugnant, fallacious remark from a Republican presidential candidate about a Democratic opponent, a man that America had much to be concerned about, I’ve never heard.
McCain is a Vietnam war hero and much respected and admired for his courage and service but, in his role as a Senator from Arizona, represents all that’s wrong with the modern Republican party, obsessed with unilateral “bipartisanship” and extending a hand across the aisle. This proved to be a weak kneed, one way street that garnered nothing but contempt from across the aisle who continue, to this day, to treat Republicans as an inferior, discredited party of feckless hacks. As things now stand they’re only partially wrong.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism”, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. “I no longer need to run as a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”
–Norman Mattoon Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate, 1944.
What good does it do to try and avoid domestic unrest? We’ll be fighting them at some point, on their schedule, or ours.
Another political lame excuse. Although I have great admiration for McCain. this revelation makes me sick. I can’t believe a man of character would walk
away from a fight for his country and allow voter fraud to steal an election.
If it’s a matter of a fight for right, then he sure wasted his time in Vietnam.
And if they threaten to come with guns, just make sure we have more and better ones. Fear of an uprising……indeed !!!!!!
Looks like the “mob rule” is working, with McCain anyway. Just another example of why he was unfit to be president. Instead of confronting and possibly stopping the problem, he ignores it and allows it to get worse.
Let me see, here is the message from the leftist mob:
“let me cheat and destroy the country, or we will riot and destroy the country”! A win/win for them….
Should have let them riot, Bush and law and order was still governing so we could have confronted and sent the commies to prison. Now look what we have to deal with!