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GOP Circular Firing Squad Fires

November 6th, 2013 - 8:24 am

LEVIN

What he said.

But let’s not forget my Libertarian friends, who delivered 7% of the vote to phony-balony Libertarian Robert Sarvis. Thanks to them, McAuliffe was able to win with a 48% plurality.

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"But let’s not forget my Libertarian friends, who delivered 7% of the vote to phony-balony Libertarian Robert Sarvis. Thanks to them, McAuliffe was able to win with a 48% plurality. "

If Libertarians always just vote Republican "because otherwise a Democrat will win", then the RNC has no reason whatsoever to change, does it? Just like the Tea Party; if you can't vote for anyone else, why will they ever listen to you?

Only votes they have to chase have leverage.

At least occasionally the Republican Party needs to be reminded that it doesn't own the constituency, if it's ever going to be made to change.

And a Republican Party that doesn't change is, to reply to MrLion ... not much different from "Democrat stewardship of the economy", if experience is any guide.
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I don't want to vote for Hillary! But we survived 8 years of Clinton, and between the Bushes and the likes of Romney and McCain, we are tired of voting for braindead hacks who every 4 years tell us about how conservative they are and then go about governing and voting as Dem Lite. The only operational difference between Clinton and the Bushes is Clinton (again constrained by a GOP Congress) was at least borderline fiscally responsible. Crazy idea-instead of demonizing Clinton or Obama (pols we conservative 40 odd perecent of the electorate detest) have a plan that really is about limited conservative governance. To other 10-15% of the voters need that explained, why it's important and why it's good for them.

Go ahead; put up Chris Christie and watch his present pals in the MFM savage him like they did DOle. the Bushes, McCain, Romney.And then watch him twist in the wind trying to win being Dem Lite. by outpromising Hillary. If the 2016 nominee cannot put together an explanation why limited government is a better choice, how it was the idea behind this country and fight fire with fire we're done anyway.
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Lord, I never thought I'd say this; Levin is right and you're wrong, Stephen.

The Republican establishment is as much an enemy of limited government as the Democrat leadership is. I don't know how it happened, I don't know why. But in the last five years they've been co-opted.

Time to start acting accordingly.
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Cuccinelli took on fights he should not have.May be if the Obamacare debacle happened sooner and it unfolds hurting more people, things might have been different. We'll never know.

But spending time and energy about social issues like abortion is not only a waste of time since it won't change much, it pisses off that 7%+ people who want the government out of their lives. Morality cannot be handed down on high form the government. And many of those people would otherwise be open to a limited government message. Obamacare again makes the point that government is a necessary evil that should do the things it has to do-public satfety, defense, roads and bridges. But that the further you move away from it's core functions it does almsot everything else badly, stupidly and expensively. And even in it's core functions it invariably overreaches no matter who is in charge. Witness Petreaus's crazy "God's Love We Deliver" with AR15s. Statism lite is still statism.It seems the GOP still has a hardcore of pols who like holding the levers of power more than they respect limited government. We can no longer afford that, neither philosophically nor fiscally. Perhaps better to give Macauliffe and his ilk to make the above clear for future voters with their coming incompetence.
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A party's base is not an army to be ordered about, but a market to be served. The Beltway GOP issues orders, the market issues a verdict.
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"But let’s not forget my Libertarian friends, who delivered 7% of the vote to phony-balony Libertarian Robert Sarvis. Thanks to them, McAuliffe was able to win with a 48% plurality. "

If Libertarians always just vote Republican "because otherwise a Democrat will win", then the RNC has no reason whatsoever to change, does it? Just like the Tea Party; if you can't vote for anyone else, why will they ever listen to you?

Only votes they have to chase have leverage.

At least occasionally the Republican Party needs to be reminded that it doesn't own the constituency, if it's ever going to be made to change.

And a Republican Party that doesn't change is, to reply to MrLion ... not much different from "Democrat stewardship of the economy", if experience is any guide.
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So, you might as well vote for the Keynesian who wants a per-mile tax on driving and an expansion of Medicare in the state. Because he's, allegedly, the "Libertarian."
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Well...Elect a bozo you're gonna get a circus.

Match him up with that imbecile in MD - O'Malley, and the area is screwed.

Glad I left.
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Shrug - if you want the libertarian votes, you'll have to drop the Republican statism, not just vilify the left's version of it.

Toad Akins' curse, justified or not, still afflicts the Republican party. Considering that our biggest problems are budgetary and regulatory, handing your opponent the easy means to vilify and misrepresent you are a failing. If you have a history of Bloomberg style theocratic nanny-ism, you're going to get smeared with it, moreso if your party brand can't shut the hell up about religious dogma, and is, on paper, just as bad at fiscal discipline.

Yeah, yeah, I know - the tea party is about fiscal issues and not racism, imposing Christian theocracy, or any of the other characterizations that the MSM and the left have successfully colored them with. Still, when you've got pathetic statists running the Vichy Republican Bend-over Caucus, and mischaracterizing the tea-party at every opportunity, it hurts your brand and your credibility, and your party becomes "Libtard- lite, now 65% less homophobic".

Its the economy, stupid, not abortions, ghey this and that, school prayer, and all that needs to be strongly pushed to the side lines. You can't run on "government is a failure" and then propose more government intervention.

You have to fight the Republican=authoritarian theocrat, not just passively ignore it.

I agree with your analysis that Sarvis was a false flag libertarian, tho. Just shows how bad the Republican brand is when 7% of the electorate *made a point* to go vote for the "L"

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Except Cuccinelli really had no position on the social issues. You believed the Dem lies. Cuccinelli is not a social warrior at all. He is a law-and-oder, fiscal conservative. He is made to order for Libertarians who want a Republican more in line with Libertarian views. You've been had, sucker.
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So apparently Libertarians are okay with Democrat stewardship of the economy to date.

All right then. Glad we got that sorted out.
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If it's Democrat or Democrat-lite, I fail to see much of a distinction. I've been voting R since after Sept. 11 2001, and it's been either very big government or slightly less big government. Haven't decided about Christie, but if the GOP nominee is Santorum or Huckabee, I'm back to voting Libertarian.
49 weeks ago
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Because Hillary Clinton will do a better job of running the show, presumably?
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Objectively Bill Clinton governed more conservatively fiscally than Bush Sr. and Jr. Perhaps being constrained by a GOP Congress helped. Also not fighting endless pointless nation-building wars was a big plus. One thing the GOP has to begin to grasp-a good chunk of the electorate no longer assumes that the GOP is better at governance and that the Dems are the Devil incarnate.The Bushes did a lot to make that a dead end-NCLB, Medicare Part D, huge deficit spending, Dubai ports, Miers, endless pointless wars, et al. THIS WAS NOT CONSERVATIVE NOR LIMITED. Calling Hillary! the bogeyman is not a substitute for a limited government philosophy.
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So that's a yes, then? I'd just like to figure out exactly how big an enemy of sanity libertarians are turning in to.
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