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August 23rd, 2005 - 5:10 pm
Internet access has been down all night, and has just now (11:45pm) come back.
Still, I’m going to bed.
UPDATE: Scratch that. I’ll go to bed in a minute, but not just yet. First, let’s get something out of the way:
Television evangelist Pat Robertson’s suggestion that American agents assassinate Venezuela President Hugo Ch
Do you know how tough it is to kill a country’s ruler?
Not that difficult, actually.
It’s the repurcussions of the deed that you have to watch out for.
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In retrospect, disapproving of the coup was unwise. Getting rid of someone may be a mistake, but trying to get rid of someone and failing is a bigger mistake.
you must stab deep if you would kill a king
TO: Stephen Green
RE: Yeah…
“But Robertson is still an idiot.” — Stephen Green
…he’s one of the ‘original idiotarians’, according to the Blogfather.
However, isn’t it interesting that he seems to be right so often? Look at his pronouncements about ‘nuking’ the State Department and that ‘Men in Black’ are a greater threat to American freedom than is al Qaeda.
So what happens? Bush, after his second inauguration ‘nukes’ State by removing Powell and installing Rice as SecState.
Then, a few months after that, the Men in Black prove Robertson right with Kelo v. New London.
Prescient Pat?
And, if the prez decides to rescind the executive order against assassination of hostile heads of foreign states….a la Tom Clancy’s Executive Orders….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that the staff pukes in some obscure part of J3 Plans at the Puzzle Palace has a plan for taking out the likes of Chavez.
It’s what they do…..planning….
Pat’s an idiot.
He has a clear utilitarian point on assassinating a dictator. But Chavez “stole the election fair & square” — didn’t Pres. Carter certify it?
He’s more Cuba-supported populist authoritarian than a dictator, so far.
Thanks also for the moral Rand reminder that any free nation DOES have the moral right to topple a dictator (and assassination might be the cheapest way to do this.)
Why does Robertson’s “kill Chavez” rant get more play than “kill Bush” from some random Mullah?
Andy Freeman — Or for that matter, from any Times/IHT writer?
Chuck — I thought Clinton already rescinded that executive order. Not that he had the backbone to use it, but he sure looked tough doing it…
“Killing” and “assasinating” are such ugly words…what if Chavez mearly was the victim of an “unfortunate accident involving cigars and natural gas”?
People talk about assassinating W every day. There’s no real outrage, just encouragement and fantasy.
Hugo’s got to grow a thicker skin.
God should have called Pat home since he didn’t meet his $ goal, but Pat chickened out.
TO: Don Bowles
RE: Clinton & the Executive Order
“…I thought Clinton already rescinded that executive order.” — Don Bowles
Not to my knowledge. Can you cite an edition of the Federal Register that says such?
I know that Clinton DID publish an EO that extended the state of national emergency. [Note: A fine tradition that. And not a single member of my Congressional Delegation will answer my questions about what that EO does for what agencies....]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Bush (43) has probably done that latter business as well.
Oops…that should be to richard mcenroe. Too much ‘fine print’ in this format and too little coffee. Sorry about that….
I think its time we started calling him by his proper title………..Imam Robertson.
TO: Doug
RE: Titles
“I think its time we started calling him by his proper title………..Imam Robertson.” — Doug
I think Pat the Prescient has more pizzaz. And it’s more accurate too.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
robertson is an idiot. but i’m curious as to where all of this outrage was when larry kudlow called for the same thing. in the national review online april 22,2002 and again this year on his rapidly deteriorating cnbc program. kudlow is after all a former reagan official. and he currently hints (sometimes) at being close to gwb. he also contributes to the wsj. why no outrage. robertson is an idiot. kudlow has a lot higher profile. and links to the government. though he does seem to be trying to become the right wing paul krugman lately.
Funny thing is…there really ISN’T any outrage over the idea, only that Pat Robertson said it…
TO: Don Bowles
RE: True
“…there really ISN’T any outrage over the idea, only that Pat Robertson said it…” — Don Bowles
The hallmark of hypocrisy….
I say someone of LGF commenting that Robertson should not call for the death of someone from the pulpit.
However, I suspect that said person doesn’t understand what a pulpit is, not to mention how someone speaks from such a thing.
When a minister stands in the ‘pulpit’ he is supposedly speaking from God’s ‘Word’. But, if he caveats his comment with such things as “I think…”, he’s not speaking from such. He is only speaking for himself. He has stepped ‘out of the pulpit’ for the moment. Paul does that too, in his letters.
Some people may claim that the 700 Club show is Pat’s ‘pulpit’. And they can argue that. However, I recall seeing that Pat was saying, “I think….” Therefore, Pat was only speaking his own mind. Something to do with ‘free will’. What God thinks of that is between He and Pat.
And we are allowed to think what we will of Pat as well.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
@Don: Sort of like Dave Barry’s “Two Guys Named Victor” replacement for several gov’t bureaucracies. W says, “You know, Victors, I wouldn’t be at all displeased to learn that Chavez had some terribly unfortunate fatal accident in the shower…” and then, amazingly, it happens.
Chuck,
“Pat the Prescient” ? You’ve got to be kidding, right ?
The guy is a moonbat through and through. This is the same Pat Robertson who wrote that classic of the conspiracy-minded “The New World Order.”
Its also the same Pat Robertson who thought nothing of cozying up to the dictator of Liberia when it suited his personal interests.
Its also the same Pat Robertson who called 9/11 a punishment from God.
I’ve referred to him as Imam Robertson because I see no moral difference between his call for assassination and the fatwa’s issued from the Wahabbists in Saudi Arabia.
Prescient ? No. Moonbat ? Yes.
TO: Doug
RE: In A Word?
“”Pat the Prescient” ? You’ve got to be kidding, right ?” — Doug
…No.
And here’s why….
RE: New World Order
“The guy is a moonbat through and through. This is the same Pat Robertson who wrote that classic of the conspiracy-minded “The New World Order.”" — Doug
So…have you seen what the police are doing in Utah?
Such action just to stop some kids at a party. Looked like a scene from Terry Gilliam’s ‘Brazil’.
RE: Pat & Dictotors
“Its also the same Pat Robertson who thought nothing of cozying up to the dictator of Liberia when it suited his personal interests.” — Doug
Nobody’s perfect. Indeed. The only Guy I know who was ‘perfect’ got nailed to a tree for it.
Besides, that has nothing to do with Pat being ‘prescient’, now, does it….
RE: God & Punishment
“Its also the same Pat Robertson who called 9/11 a punishment from God.” — Doug
So…you either (1) don’t think God is capable of ‘punishing’ anyone, anywhere, anytime, anyhow or (2) you don’t think God exists.
Which is it?
RE: The Difference
“I’ve referred to him as Imam Robertson because I see no moral difference between his call for assassination and the fatwa’s issued from the Wahabbists in Saudi Arabia.” — Doug
Show me where he’s announced a fatwa to kill the news section at ABC and you might have some evidence to support your claim. However, as he has not
Pat Robertson vs. Jesus
So, turns out that Marion Gordon Robertson (that’s Pat Robertson to you and me), would disagree with a certain mister Jesus H. Christ on certain issues. Mostly little stuff, ya know, like murder.
On an episode of the 700 Club Marion “sug…
TO: richard mcenroe
RE: Executive Orders
“Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Tuesday said political assassination was against the law and was not U.S. policy.” — Article at Drudge on how Pat has apologized.
Looks to me like the EO against assassinations of hostile government heads of state is still in effect.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Chuck(le)– s’why I asked, thanks..
…and boy, do I have plans to change…
Sandy P– That was Oral Roberts, and he only made his nut because a dog-track owner in Florida ponied up (puppied up?) the cash…
Chuck,
Yes, I do know what prescient means.
1. The events in Utah prove nothing about Mr. Marion Gordon Robertson’s thesis about the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, et al.
2. His ties to the Taylor regime prove he has no ethics
3. My personal belief in God isn’t relevent to this issue, but so long as you asked. Yes, I believe in God. Its not the God of Imam Robertson —- in fact, in the not-too-long ago past the people who follow Mr. Robertson probably would have (and may still for all I care) denounce me as a “Papist”. You didn’t hear John Paul II calling for the assassination of world leaders and I doubt Benedict XVI would do so either.
4. Even though he’s now “apologized” for it — after first having denied he even said it — the fact is that the man endorsed murder as a means to achieve a political goal. Venezuala has not threatened American interests directly, so this is NOT a national security issue. Its a call for murder.
Its also the same Pat Robertson who called 9/11 a punishment from God.
-Doug
Now, now, be fair. Pat didn’t call 9/11 a punishment from god- he just agreed when the guy sitting across from him (Falwell, I think) said it.
Pat Robertson has said more than enough asinine things to justify calling him an idiot (and many other things). There’s no need to invent more…
Rosignol,
Its been four years since the event in question, so you may be right. Honestly, I don’t remember who said what at the time — I just remember they were both there when the comment was made.
Falwell and Robertson — as I citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia I must profoundly apologize to America for the pundits we are inflicting on you these days. You see, the days of Jefferson, Washington, Mason, Henry, Madison, and Monroe are sadly long gone here in the Old Dominion.
I wonder if Newsweek will publish a hit piece on Mr. Robertson… Before they do, though, in the interest of Intellectual honesty, they should remember the 1997 article they published in which George Stephanopoulos devoted an entire column to the topic of whether the U.S. should take out Saddam Hussein.
His headline? “Why We Should Kill Saddam.”
“Assassination may be Clinton’s best option,” the future “This Week” host urged. “If we can kill Saddam, we should.” (courtesy of Newsmax)
TO: Doug
RE: Good For You
“Yes, I do know what prescient means.” — Doug
However, I notice you don’t mention any of the instances supporting the idea of Pat the Prescient afterwards.
I’ll revert to English Common Law and accept your silence as your acceptance.
RE: Utah Cops Act Like Gangbusters Against Teens
“The events in Utah prove nothing about Mr. Marion Gordon Robertson’s thesis about the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, et al.” — Doug
Yeah….our cops always wore battle armor and pointed their fully automatic weapons against our children. Teaching them the meaning of ‘Fear Me’ early in their young lives.
I remember such instance when I was their age in the 60s. Happened at least once a month. That’s why I live in mortal dread of the police every time I get pulled over. [Last time being somewhere in '88.]
You’re obviously right. There has been no sigifincant changes in the way the world works since I was a youngster.
By the way…do you know the old adage about how to cook a frog?
RE: So?
“His ties to the Taylor regime prove he has no ethics” — Doug
As I said, nobody I know is perfect. And you’re in that group too.
And again, this has NOTHING to do with our different appellations for the man. Does it?
RE: Au Contraire
“My personal belief in God isn’t relevent to this issue, but so long as you asked.” — Doug
It has a LOT to do with it. If you don’t understand God there’s a lot of ‘education’ that needs to take place. Provides me with a frame of reference in which to address some matters.
“Yes, I believe in God. Its not the God of Imam Robertson…” — Doug
So you don’t believe in the Judeo-Christian God.
Which god is it you believe in then?
RE: THAT “God”???!!?
“…in fact, in the not-too-long ago past the people who follow Mr. Robertson probably would have (and may still for all I care) denounce me as a “Papist”.” — Doug
That’s a better clarification.
“You didn’t hear John Paul II calling for the assassination of world leaders and I doubt Benedict XVI would do so either.” — Doug
So, Pat made a mistake. We all do. Even the popes do, contrary to your religious beliefs.
Ever read Tuchmann’s classic, A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century? Lots of popes making lots of mistakes.
I eagarly await proof that you are not a hypocrite by your open condemnation of those multitudinal mistakes resulting in murder, arson, war, rape, butchery and general mayhem.
“Even though he’s now “apologized” for it — ” — Doug
Ah. You noticed. He apologized for it too. And a better apology than any others we’ve heard in the media for a long time now.
And tell me….what was it Christ said about apologies?
“…after first having denied he even said it — the fact is that the man endorsed murder as a means to achieve a political goal.” — Doug
But you seem to have forgotten your Sunday School lessons. Not to mention the homilies regarding forgiveness.
RE: Venzuela as a Threat
“Venezuala has not threatened American interests directly, so this is NOT a national security issue.” — Doug
It is a matter of national security. But that’s a digression from the original discussion betwixt thee and me.
“Its a call for murder.” — Doug
How ‘forgetful’…..of lessons from the Lord.
Hope that helped….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[God builds His cathedral in men's hearts on the ruins of theology and religion.]
P.S. About ‘punishment’ and God’s wrath….
…then if you are as you indicate, you DO recognize that God can do things that are rather unpleasant when He has a mind to.
Whether or not this current war is one of those things. Is up for discussion.
However, I do recall that God used war as punishment on several occasions against the Israelites. The more noted incidents being Nebuchadnezer’s conquest of their lands as punishment for their whoring about with other gods and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem about 35 years after the crucifixion.
So while war is not the only form of punishment available to God. It IS available. War AND utter destruction that comes with total defeat.
You took some right going over in a dark alley with some large man. Didnt you?
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If it were not so illegal… Pat has a pretty good idea!…Silly me I think Chavez is a creep! To put it nicely… I think Pat said, what alot of people were thinking! I kind of admire the political incorrectness of it all!…
Sure Pat Robertson is an embarrassment.
But is he as bad as DNC guest-of-honor Michael Moore (
TO: Zsa Zsa
RE: Illegalities
“If it were not so illegal… Pat has a pretty good idea!” — Zsa Zsa
Actually, it’s only ‘illegal’ because there is an Executive Order (EO) in effect that precludes it. It is not a statutory ‘illegality’, i.e., a law pass by Congress. The only illegality is that if a federal employee does something contrary to an EO, he is in violation of the law requiring him to abide by the will of the President of the United States.
And, being an EO it can be removed at the will of the president of the United States, with the mere stroke of a pen.
Hope that helps…
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Chuck,
1. There is a big difference between police overreaching and proving the hypopthesis of a book like TNWO. I agree that the war on drugs, et al has made police much more aggressive. I disagree with the hypothesis that this is part of some dark plot hatched at meetings of the CFR to take over the world. Mr. Robertson apparently believes the latter.
2. Again addressing my personal beliefs which I don’t think are relative to Imam Robertson’s statements. I’ve had many evangelical Christians, including people who’ve told me they admire Robertson, that the Catholic Church isn’t truly Christian by their definition.
3. Yes, I know Popes have made mistakes over the years. As I am sure you are aware, the doctrine of Papal infallibility is a very limited one and only applies to matters of Church doctrine. If Pope Benedict were to say that Barry Manilow was the greatest singer of all time, no Catholic would be required to agree with him.
And, yes, I recognize, and acccept, that Robertson has apologized. I still wonder why anyone should take the man seriously though and nothing you’ve said has convinced me that I should.
TO: Doug
RE: NWO
“There is a big difference between police overreaching and proving the hypopthesis of a book like TNWO.” — Doug
So. Doug. Tell me. How ‘young’ are you?
And I notice you don’t address the parable of cooking a frog. Could that be an indication of your, if you’ll pardon the term, ‘age’? Or perhaps your education?
“I agree that the war on drugs, et al has made police much more aggressive. I disagree with the hypothesis that this is part of some dark plot hatched at meetings of the CFR to take over the world. Mr. Robertson apparently believes the latter.” — Doug
Doug, when I was coming of age, we HAD NO INCIDENTS of what happened in Utah. Nor did we have incidents of drug cops breaking into houses and gunning down a 63-year old man armed with a can of soda pop. As he lay in bed; Denver, 2004.
Indeed, in Lincoln, Nebraska, in the early 70s, whenever a cop killed someone, there was a howl for a public inquiry. And the public made the howl. And got the inquiry and a public meeting.
Now…..
As the adage goes, “If you are not paranoid, you’re not paying attention.” Or had problems with your history and civics lessons.
But we digress, again. The topic is whether or not to call Pat “Imam” or “the Prescient”. However, I will add that in due time, Pat may well be proven prescient vis-a-vis the NWO as well as he has on “Nuking” the State Department and “Men In Black”.
What’s the real problem here? Looks to me like it could be you’re upset about Pat being more Prescient than Benedict XVI. Is that the burr under your saddle?
RE: Beliefs
“Again addressing my personal beliefs which I don’t think are relative to Imam Robertson’s statements.” — Doug
Having trouble reading? Go back and look at that business about having a frame of reference. [Note: I suppose you've never heard of the concept of 'understanding your audience'.]
“I’ve had many evangelical Christians, including people who’ve told me they admire Robertson, that the Catholic Church isn’t truly Christian by their definition.” — Doug
I’ll let Christ decide who is or isn’t a disciple of His. He’s a far better Judge of that an anyone else. Don’t you think?
RE: The Popes
“Yes, I know Popes have made mistakes over the years.” — Doug
Good on you.
“As I am sure you are aware, the doctrine of Papal infallibility is a very limited one and only applies to matters of Church doctrine.” — Doug
I know very well about that. Too bad those cretins of the 14th Century didn’t think that way. Right?
“If Pope Benedict were to say that Barry Manilow was the greatest singer of all time, no Catholic would be required to agree with him.” — Doug
I think every singer has a few good songs. It’s a matter of consistency that really makes them great.
But tell me. What did you think of the movie Dogma? But we digress again. This is something better addressed on a different thread and maybe a different venue.
Suffice it to say I appreciate your candor about your religious beliefs. It helps me a lot.
RE: The Apology
“And, yes, I recognize, and acccept, that Robertson has apologized. I still wonder why anyone should take the man seriously though and nothing you’ve said has convinced me that I should.” — Doug
You can take him or leave him. It’s no skin off my ass. I just point out he’s been accurate with at least two major thingies that the MSM jumped all over him about in the last two years.
[Note: Indeed....I witnessed two prophetic events myself in '94. One on top of the other, i.e., within 24 hours of each other.
Both items were from other sources, i.e., two other christians.
The first being that there would be a major earthquake on a given day.
The second was that the 'mask' would be removed from the 'face of evil' or something to that effect.
On the given date, a few minutes past midnight Greenwich time, there was a 8(+) earthquake several hundred miles deep in the earth in the Andes of South America.
That same day, the Clinton administration, as their lead up to the '94 election, came out swinging against anyone having christian ideals exercising those ideals in public office; "Leave your christianity at your front door."
Interesting 'coincidences', those....]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Coincidence: When God works a miracle and doesn't get the credit.]
P.S. Those two events were mentioned by Pat on the 700 Club about a week before they happened. He was just the messanger, not the one ‘gifted’.
P.P.S. About that earthquake. I was surprised to hear how deep it was. So I called the USGS people at the Denver Federal Center about it. They have a big office there.
I asked their earthquake expert about it. They said it surprised them too.
Pat Robertson more prescient than Benedict XVI ?
Come on. Even if I wasn’t Catholic, I wouldn’t fall for that one.
How young am I ? Old enough to know a huckster when I see one. And Mr. Robertson is a huckster as sure as Jimmy Swaggart and Billy Sunday were.
I don’t have time this afternoon to address each question you apparently have time to ask, but here’s a few points.
1. Show me real evidence of the connection between the war on drugs and an evil conspiracy designed to hasten the rise of the antichrist, and I might consider it.
2. Yes, I agree that God is the judge of who the better disciple is. On that note, I doubt that the answer to the question “What Would Jesus Do ?” is “Kill Hugo Chavez”
3. What did I think of “Dogma” ? Basically further evidence of the anti-Christian/anti-Catholic mindset of Hollywood.
That’s all for now.
TO: Doug
RE: WOD-NWO
“Show me real evidence of the connection between the war on drugs and an evil conspiracy designed to hasten the rise of the antichrist, and I might consider it.” — Doug
I don’t think Stephen has the bandwidth to support such an endeavor.
Just keep your eyes open and mind alert. You’ll notice it in due time. I have an advantage of watching things over more years than you do and notice that there have been significant changes in the quality of life. You’ll see them too, in the fullness of time.
It does sort of boggle one’s imagination, that a plan to bring such a thing about would take so many years to accomplish. Indeed, it seems to span generations. One would have to ‘believe’ in some malevolant supernatural entity, one bent on the destruction, if not the enslavement of all of mankind.
Any idea on who could POSSIBLE do such a thing? {nudge-nudge, wink-wink}….
RE: WWJD?
“Yes, I agree that God is the judge of who the better disciple is. On that note, I doubt that the answer to the question “What Would Jesus Do ?” is “Kill Hugo Chavez”" — Doug
Heck. He’ll do it in due time. His time. As He’ll do it to you and to me. But, in accordance with His timing. Not our timing.
RE: Movie Reviews
“What did I think of “Dogma” ? Basically further evidence of the anti-Christian/anti-Catholic mindset of Hollywood.” — Doug
Not anti-Christian.
A good and devoutly-practicing RC friend of mine and I spent eight hours watching and critiquing the movie, over fine cigars and excellent 25-year old scotch one night.
It definitely rocks the Roman Catholic boat vis-a-vis the central tenet of the movie, whether Mary had children other than the Lord. The profane language on the part of an upper-class angel was something of a bother too.
However, the rest of it was certainly pretty good. The parts played by Ben and Damon were well performed; as fallen angels, condemned to Wisconsin and tripping up anyone in their path. It’s my turn to pick the movie of the night, tonight. I think we’ll watch that. It’s been a couple of years. [Note: We've a large selection.....]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Satan's greatest trick has been to get people to not believe he exists.]
P.S. And on the NWO, I think Pat’s got more years of closer observation of this than I.
According to an Arab moron who participates in a Jordanian forum, computers are running slow because of: “Jews.”
http://www.albawabaforums.com/read.php3?f=3&i=123646&t=123646
If they gave out Nobel prizes for stupidity, Arabs would win every year.
stephen,
Pat Who?
Jeez, this is such an MSM created BS story.
Robertson is a nobody, even less than the Right’s equivalant fo the most egregious M. Moore.
Why would anybody outside of the Cindy Sheehan school of politices and internattion relations even bother to comment on this “Nobody’s” statements if not to falsley try to connect his ignorance to the current President and his admistration.
Stephen, you’re welcome that I think too much of your time to send the previous in an email.
Remember who informed you CA Senator Fienstein was ashamed to wear an American Flag pin in Europe!
Cheap shot, but, what the H?
Mike
And I notice you don’t address the parable of cooking a frog. Could that be an indication of your, if you’ll pardon the term, ‘age’? Or perhaps your education?
Could be.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.htm
TO: rosignol
RE: What’s This???!?!
You trust an old Okie? Don’t you know they ARE Satan’s Lieutenants on Earth????!?!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Go Big Red!]
P.S. 2
I remember Ross Perot said the same thing about Saddam Hussein prior to the first Gulf War, on some talk show — Dinah or Donahue. It didn’t cause the same outrage. People just chuckled.
WAR/RELIGION: It’s Just Pat
We hardly needed his latest blunder – publicly musing about the wisdom of assassinating Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez – to remind us that Pat Robertson is a fool and a liability to the conservative cause. (And proof that a good…
I’m no fan of Chavez, but calling him a dictator is a stretch. It does look like he won the last election fairly. Which is just one more example of how third-world democracies generally blow – and all the moreso in oil-rich states.
To begin the same way most of these comments have begun: “Pat Robertson’s an idiot, but…”
…I find it interesting that whenever Pat says something stupid (which is fairly often), it usually gets front-page coverage; but Al Sharpton can rails about the “white-eyed devils” and “filthy Jews” all he likes, and nobody says boo. Ah, well.
Call Chavez a dictator is more than a streth – its an outright lie. He has held election after election under international observation and won them by a mile. All the polling companies, which oppose him by the way, give him a 60 to 80% popularity rating. The press is free (and hostile), there is complete freedom of speech, assembly, travel, association, etc. etc.
Chavez is governing with the consent of the governed. So no one has any right of any kind to assassinate him or use any other undemocratic means to get him out.
If you are going to opine on this stuff you should at least take the time to learn about the country.
Is the left just this desperate, or do they really think thay can tar all conservatives with an attack on this Bizarro character? The news reports described him as “former Republican Presidential hopeful,” as if he somehow represents Republicans. By that logic, they sbould describe Lyndon Larouche as a Democrat presidential contender. It is to laugh, as they say.
THE HUGO CHAVEZ COMEDY HOUR
I used to wonder why Venezuelean President Hugo Chavez was able to stay in office following the recall vote held in that country in 2004. After all, the Venezuela economy is in the pits, corruption is rampant within his administration, he has callouse…
Killing Ch
The Chavez tempest
I hadn’t planned on making any comments about Pat Robertson’s remark that we ought to take out Hugo Chavez. It’s one of those dumb remarks that lots of people make, maybe half seriously. What’s interesting about it is not the
Chuck,
Apparently war diamonds aren’t the only business venture the good Reverand has been involved in lately:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/25/AR2005082501806_pf.html
(Not) Our Final Imam Robertson Update
Imam Marion Gordon Robertson of Virginia Beach has apologized for his comments earlier this week calling for the assassination of President Hugo Chavez of Venezuala.
I was just in London and saw “Kill Bush” t-shirts on sale all over the place in the Covent Garden area. No outrage from anyone that I saw, but Pat Robertson’s comments were talked about on the Beeb. That being said, Pat Robertson is still an idiot…
Week’s Best Rant #2
Matthew Heidt at Froggy Ruminations has a fine rant, The V-Word, focused on Chuck Hagel and his shameless posturing on how Iraq is
Friday Gatling Blog
It’s late on Friday, but I have arrived with a full plate of gatling blog glory of this week’s more provocative posts for you all. The Carnival of the Involuntary. . .fire away!
Killing is an inherently unchristian and uncivilized thing to do. Arguing to kill Chavez is simply the logical consequence of a complete lack of understanding of religion, gods will, and the pursuit of civilized culture.
If you really hate Chavez, push for domestic reform and try to change the minds of Venezuela’s voters. You’ll have the media, and all of the upper and middle class of venezuela on your side. Only problem is that those groups have been fucking the poor classes there for over 4 decades, and now that Chavez is building the poor houses, getting them doctors and dentists, and providing them food, well, good luck, but there are a hell of a lot more poor people in venezuela that owe their new standard of living to Chavez then there are rich people that owe there loss of standing to Chavez.
In addition, the greatness of Chavez was expressed recently WHEN HE APOLOGIZED FOR NOT BUILDING ENOUGH HOUSES FOR POOR PEOPLE! He had stated he would build over 120,000, and he had built 40,000, but he wanted more, he said he was sorry, and poof, he even to this day is continuing to build housing for the poor. The day you hear GW Bush say he’s sorry for ANYTHING is a day that will never ever ever come. Our president is more of a scumbag than chavez ever could be.
Moreover, if you want to talk about the democratic deficit between third world nations and the united States, comapring between Venezuela and the USA would be a poor place to start, as its very obvious that Chavez was overwhelmingly voted in by the poor and was exceedingly legitimate, whereas the political chinanigans in the last two elections, by both democrats and republicans, is well, pathetic. (recently, some dems and repubs were placed in jail for having citizens fill out voter registration cards, but then not actually submitting those cards to allow those citizens to vote.) Our democracy has been usurped, Im just waiting for americans to realize that. Long live Chavez and the re-awakening of Latin and South America!
TO: Doug
RE: Yeah?
So….tell me….
…where is it written that christians are not allowed to make money?
Which commandment is it? Where is it in Proverbs? What did the Lord say? What did the Pope say?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
“AIN’s” post was briefly, a refreshing diversion from the debate— makes me want to do a little research to find out more about recent Venezuelan history.
Then, in a breath-takingly honest swerve, “Ain” revealed the truly knuckleheaded acceptance of the standard left-limb accusations I’ve come to recognize as part of the long “Catechism of the Delusional
Chuck,
I’ve honestly tired of this exchange, but I’ll say this much…….if you honestly think that Pat Robertson is an honest man, then more power to you.
I choose to believe otherwise and I believe the evidence supports my position. Though its not usually the case, the vast majority of America appears to support my position.
As for making money, I’m glad Mr. Robertson has been so successful. I just think its unfortunate he’s used religion to do so.
TO: Doug
RE: Tired
“I’ve honestly tired of this exchange…” — Doug
No surprise, as it was way off from the original nature of our engagement; whether Pat was “Imam” or “Prescient”. Instead of addressing that you had to dig for trash.
Just try to keep an unjaundiced eye on him and let’s see how he does in the future.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
TO: Doug
RE: Well…
“As for making money, I’m glad Mr. Robertson has been so successful. I just think its unfortunate he’s used religion to do so.” — Doug
….every member of the Roman Catholic hierarchy makes their money by religion…or that was how they did it last time I looked.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Keep the faith, babe!]
P.S. And do keep an eye on Chavez. It will be interesting to see if he meets with an ‘unfortunate accident’.
interesting thread. watching from outside the united states, one can only be bemused. the dictator you’re calling for the assasination of was legally elected – twice, in fact – unlike your own president, who only managed 50% of his elections.
chavez also has an approval rate double that of your president, from his own electorate, an electorate that actually turned out to vote, unlike yours.
but i suppose that’s hard for you guys to grasp, seeing that you haven’t had a meaningful electoral process in your country for so long that you have no role models, and your education system’s so poor, you probably have no idea what ‘dictator’ means at all.
as i said, one stands bemused. good luck and kind regards
interesting thread. watching from outside the united states, one can only be bemused. the dictator you’re calling for the assasination of was legally elected – twice, in fact – unlike your own president, who only managed 50% of his elections.
If the definition of a ‘legal’ election is ‘according to the laws in force’, President Bush has won both of the Presidential campaigns he’s taken part in.
If you want to have a higher opinion of Chavez than Bush, that is your perogative- just be aware that you’re using a double standard to do it.
ps: electing people you approve of is not the definion of a ‘meaningful electoral process’.