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August 2, 2013 - 8:20 am

Let’s stipulate a fact: Most men cannot complete US Marine Corps combat training.

Let’s stipulate another fact: Washing out trainees who cannot complete the training is one of the purposes of the training. Keep those who can complete it, weed out those who can’t.

Let’s stipulate another fact: Washing out trainees who cannot complete the training saves lives by eliminating weak links in combat units. “Weak,” in the context of military combat training, encompasses physical and mental. Most people simply are not suited to military combat, male or female.

The Pentagon is trying to integrate women into front-line combat roles, and it isn’t working. Of the six women who have volunteered for combat training, all six have washed out either due to injury or failing to complete the course. All six.

The Pentagon’s answer is to come up with what amounts to affirmative action for combat training, according to the Washington Times.

The armed services have pledged that their standards for ground combat and commando operations will be the same for men and women.

But now commanders are raising the possibility of a two-tiered training system.

The idea was presented by Rep. Niki Tsongas.

“To put in place a training regimen that is ill-suited to maximizing the success of women is not really the outcome any of us want to see,” she said.
Translated: Women aren’t succeeding in the current combat training regimen, so the system must be unfair to women. So it must be changed so that they will succeed. Question left unasked: Will this make the military more effective, or not?
Army Lt. Gen. Howard Bromberg, deputy chief of staff for personnel, agreed [with Tsongas, a politician].

“We are looking at that, and we’re not looking at it just for the integration of women,” Gen. Bromberg testified. “We’re looking at it for the total soldier, because just as you have a 110-pound male who may lack some type of physiological capability or physical capability, he or she may both need to be trained differently. We’re trying to expand our understanding of how we train.”

It gets worse.

Lt. Gen. Robert Milstead Jr., deputy Marine Corps commandant for manpower, put forward a pitch for gender-segregated boot camp. The Corps is the only service that has maintained gender-segregated initial training.

“I think an excellent example of what you’re talking about is our gender-separated boot camp,” Gen. Milstead testified. “We don’t start teaching the [occupations] there. Our boot camp is about the transformation of individuals, men and women, from being a civilian to being a United States Marine. We have it separated for that reason, because we feel that this transformation, it goes on a separate track. It needs to be handled different.

“They need to be nurtured different. They just need different steps as they go. They end up in the same place, the United States Marines.”

“Nurtured different”?

A staple insult/motivator used by military training instructors is to shout at recruits: “I’m not your momma!”

They can’t say that anymore, if they’re fretting over how they “nurture” the next generation of combat Marines.

Military boot camp and combat training are very well thought-out means to determine whether a civilian can be transformed into a warrior. The yelling, the inane tasks, the unpredictability, the uniformity and orders and all of it have been honed over time to build the United States military into the most effective fighting force the world has ever seen.

But thanks to politics, we may throw all that away.

The Pentagon is doing its best to deal with bad politics. We have a generation of politicians in power, most of whom never served and many of whom actively dislike the US military. Until that changes, and it may never change, the Pentagon will go on having to make the best of what is a bad situation.

 

Bryan Preston has been a leading conservative blogger and opinionator since founding his first blog in 2001. Bryan is a military veteran, worked for NASA, was a founding blogger and producer at Hot Air, was producer of the Laura Ingraham Show and, most recently before joining PJM, was Communications Director of the Republican Party of Texas.

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As I understand it you have to be a warrior to make Col. but you have to be a politician to make Gen. because Congress has to approve. Right?
That explains why Gens are go-along-to-get-along.
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It was predictable, and predicted, that if women were allowed in combat roles, the military would lower the training standards to show that it was giving women a "fair" chance to succeed in combat.

In the next war, men will die because women wanted to play soldier.
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You know the funny thing about actual combat? It's not fair. It's also not nurturing. It's people trying to kill each other, generally without regard for their feelings.

But I don't know why we insist on reinventing the wheel here. If we want to have women in combat roles why not just look to the Israeli military and see how they do it? Whatever they're doing it seems to work.
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"“To put in place a training regimen that is ill-suited to maximizing the success of women is not really the outcome any of us want to see,” she said."

Please, somebody tell this bimbo that the purpose of our Armed Forces is to scare our enemies into leaving us alone, or to kill them if they don't.

It's NOT about ensuring "success" for ANYBODY except the people of the United States of America.

37 weeks ago
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The military is no place for politically correct female sex "affirmative action". That open up a whole lot of opportunities for sick punning; but worse, much worse, it guarantees politically correct combat deaths in future hostile engagements.
37 weeks ago
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When I was going through The Basic School at Quantico in 1966 we always "won" the problem we were running.
In 1967 I was with 2/5 in RVN and the first time in the bush we ran into a regiment of NVA and we most assuredly DID NOT win. They basically booted our asses for a solid day. I really would not have been comfortable with some female Marines because some PC dipsh+++ like Niki Tsongas and gutless generals who are looking out for their own asses thought it would be a neat experiment.
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As I understand it you have to be a warrior to make Col. but you have to be a politician to make Gen. because Congress has to approve. Right?
That explains why Gens are go-along-to-get-along.
37 weeks ago
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Want to see what the "end game" is for all this "social engineering' being done with one of the worlds finest fighting machines ever assembled in modern history?? Read about the demise and fall of Roman Empire's disarray and failures of its armies and military personnel...very instructive. Jeez, history repeating itself. Who wodda thunk! Pray. Amen.
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because just as you have a 110-pound male who may lack some type of physiological capability or physical capability, he or she may both need to be trained differently

A 110-pound MALE?

A 110-pound MALE in the U.S. Armed Forces, especially the Marines?

Are you sh**ng me?

Maybe in the Phillipine or Vietnamese armies, but the U.S.? Maybe the Hobbit Army of the United Shire, but NOT the U.S. military. That's a friggin' "general's" comment/rationale?

Who are these pod people from Planet X who've taken over the "military" mind?
37 weeks ago
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It was predictable, and predicted, that if women were allowed in combat roles, the military would lower the training standards to show that it was giving women a "fair" chance to succeed in combat.

In the next war, men will die because women wanted to play soldier.
37 weeks ago
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Liberalism will be the death of America.

If you can't complete the same training regimen that I complete, I don't want you watching my back in a combat situation. I can't take care of myself and baby sit you at the same time. I have to know that you can do the job you've been assigned.

As much as I advocate equal opportunity for anyone, if you can't do the job under the same rules, then you shouldn't be there. Women have successfully worked in pretty much all occupations in America with the possible exception of the NFL and Bull Riding. And I've always figured women were smart enough not to climb on the back of a 2,000 lb pissed off animal that can stomp them into the ground. Men do it because they let their testosterone do their thinking for them. Women don't have that problem.
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" Liberalism will be the death of America. "

That's the plan. That's always been the plan.
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"Women have successfully worked in pretty much all occupations in America with the possible exception of the NFL "

Well, that's the party line, anyway.

Turns out it's not true.

The firefighter and police brass are as dependent on the politicians as the military brass, and fudge things to please their masters in exactly the same way.

Standards for cops and firefighters have been dumbed down, and people have died because of it.
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One thing that distinguishes the U.S. military is the philosophy of not leaving anyone behind in a combat situation. The woman who finds herself in such a situation damned well better be able to lift/carry/drag a large wounded male to safety under fire.
37 weeks ago
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There's ABLE to, and there's having the right MINDSET to.

Both are going to be AWOL on the battlefield, and men will die.
37 weeks ago
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Buy Russian War Bonds, folks, 'cause we're screwed.
37 weeks ago
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You know the funny thing about actual combat? It's not fair. It's also not nurturing. It's people trying to kill each other, generally without regard for their feelings.

But I don't know why we insist on reinventing the wheel here. If we want to have women in combat roles why not just look to the Israeli military and see how they do it? Whatever they're doing it seems to work.
37 weeks ago
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I'm fairly certain women in the IDF serve in POG roles other than a few snipers or pilots. Something abou tthe arabs refusing to surrender to units that included women in 48.
37 weeks ago
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No, something about combat losses TRIPLING when they added women to the mix.


Nothing to do with Arabs surrendering.
37 weeks ago
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You want to know the ultimate proof that men and women are different?

American Ninja Warrior.

No woman has ever completed the course. Only one woman so far go to the fifth leg of the course, but couldn't get up the ramp. Another woman only made the second round because of a technicality.

However, no woman has ever completed the course.

Now, many man do not complete it either. Some men complete it better than other men, but it has been all men who have completed the course.

Now, if a show can expose this difference not only between the sexes, but between men, why can't the military just recognize that the mostly men with the best conditioning and determination will make it into combat roles that are not meant for men who lack either conditioning, determination, or both, and women who more than likely have the determination, but can never have the conditioning to complete the requirements for combat training?
37 weeks ago
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I'm officially a "senior citizen," and at the high end of average size for a male. In the gym, even with my arthritis, my warmup weights are higher than the buffest females in that gym. I'm no match for top competitive female athletes in sports that require strength and explosiveness, but they are a tiny minority on top of the female physiological pyramid. Female base latent strength is almost always less then that for males by a substantial margin. Men have enough "latent potential" from the get-go to be trained up into effective fighters -- most women don't. Even "training up" women so they are at the equivalent of a man's "starting level" is ludicrous, because then they're still behind, and unsuited for carrying armor and equipment in an intense combat situation.
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"I'm no match for top competitive female athletes in sports that require strength and explosiveness, but they are a tiny minority on top of the female physiological pyramid."

And they are almost certainly taking strange chemicals to get there.
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