Here’s the Google News page on Michigan passing right-to-work into law as of this morning.
You can click on the link and scroll down past the point at which my screen shot cuts off, but you won’t see a single story about the IBEW union man’s assault on Steven Crowder. You won’t see any stories about the union thugs’ intentional destruction of Americans for Prosperity’s tent, with people inside. You won’t see any stories about the Michigan Democratic Party’s threat of “blood,” which came from a Democrat state rep and was tweeted out on the Michigan Democratic caucus’ official twitter feed. You won’t see any of that. Jimmy Hoffa Jr.’s threat of civil war didn’t make the cut either. The Obama White House’s refusal to condemn the violence also gets no mention. Notice the photos, too. The union folks look calm and reasonable. The frame of the union man punching Steven Crowder ought to be there, but it isn’t.
The closest you’ll get to any negative take on the unions’ behavior is a link to a Fox News story about how some of Michigan’s unionized teachers abandoned their students to show up at Tuesday’s violent rally.
It’s not tough to figure out how the mainstream media can turn a hot story into a non-story through monolithic silence. Journolist proved beyond any doubt that many mainstream media figures collude with figures in the radical left-wing blogosphere to protect Democrats and their allies. As the union violence story gathered force Tuesday, Robert Stacy McCain noticed that blogs on the left started offering an alternative version of events. In their version of events, the entire AfP tent/assault on Crowder was some sort of “false flag” trick. The attackers, you see, were really attacking themselves. They claimed that the video was “edited,” which is true of every single video ever taken since the dawn of video. A typical lens cannot capture a 360 degree environment. When someone points a camera at a particular object or person, they’re editing most of the world out of the shot. When they zoom, they’re focusing attention on a particular portion of the vista in a way that our eyes cannot naturally do. That’s editing. The question is never whether a piece of video was “edited,” the question is whether the editing misrepresented what really happened. In the case of the tent, the assault on Crowder, and the environment of intimidation and violence that the unions stirred up Tuesday, the editing was entirely fair to the facts. It happened.
This alternative version the left offered didn’t have to be true. It didn’t even have to appear to be true. There did not have to be a single grain of a fact anywhere near it. It just had to be floated out there and give so-called mainstream journalists enough of an excuse to decide not to cover the real story. Mainstream media journalists know all about editing, for instance, since they go out of their way to edit out the conservative world view in just about every story they write or produce. Many journalists know about false flag operations, because they are living false flag operations. They pose as objective while they work as Democratic Party operatives. That’s how they spend their entire careers.
The left’s alternative reality keeps winning, though. The casual news consumer scans Google News and sees nothing about the unions’ use of violence to attempt to overturn the legislative process. The casual news consumer has been trained to hate alternative media that counters the prevailing culture. The mainstream media didn’t report that Big Labor tried its hand at intimidating Michigan’s elected representatives out of restoring for the state’s workers the freedom of choice and assembly, so to most Americans, it didn’t happen.
The net effect of the media’s shameful silence: The left is encouraged to go on lying about what does happen while using violence to twist past the legal legislative process to get their way.
This is not what democracy is supposed to look like.
“In their version of events, the entire AfP tent/assault on Crowder was some sort of “false flag” trick. The attacked, you see, were really attacking themselves.”
The Left claims this on every violent incident: OWS riots, Black Bloc attacks, eco-terrorism, etc. They are becoming (are?) the blogs who cried wolf.
You forgot 9/11.
Oh well. So much for the theory you can’t get good goons anymore. You definitely can.
These guys are old out of shape wanna be thugs. In reality if there hadn’t been a huge crowd of them the little fat man would have been choked out in around twenty seconds. Crowder displaues remarkable restraint.
Yes; It looked to me like these aggressive old farts spent too much time at an AA meeting drinking the free coffee before getting together for their expo of manhood.
There’ve been enough other incidents that I wouldn’t focus too much on Crowder. File charges for assualt and battery, possibly file a civil suit. Certainly. Go for it. Criminal behavior, against the law, even as a civil rights issue. For Crowder, that’s legitimately something to go with, there.
…but…
Crowder has essentially challenged grandpa to a fight, or else Crowder will sue grandpa …and send grandpa to jail
That’s not a hill you want to die on, people.
You’re an endless fountain of advice, aren’t you?
Have you bothered to contact Crowder, or are you content to strut and preen where he can’t hear your “brilliance”?
You’ve just demonstrated why conservatives keep losing the big elections and the big policy decisions…and why the Republican Party is splintering before your eyes.
For a party that in such shambles, how did the GOP win the governorship and the legislature in Michigan? When these events were happening, the right to work bill was being signed by the governor. I’d hardly call this embarrassing skirmish a victory for the Democratic Party.
Wendy, Republicans are competitive with Democrats in the elections that the mainstream media ignores and in elections outside of cities. Democrats win when the mainstream media controls the narrative and Democrats can haul urban voters to the polls.
I think that Republicans should actively fight the media enemy. I’m looking what is the least bad way to get paid TV content without funding the enemy. I would prefer to buy content A la carte. I’d buy Fox News content, but no money for MSNBC, for example. Maybe people could petition their local TV stations to drop the evening national news on their main channel, substituting more profitable local programming.
Yes Mr. Bonebrain, the Republican Party will only survive if it starts accepting idiocy as a governing philosophy.
You might be right. It works for democrats. And then the whole country can be as progressive and happy as detroiters.
Detroit- liberals DID build that. Obama will turn America into Detroit, then Zimbabwe then Sudan.
And low IQ people like you will blame Bush and the tea party.
We can’t fix stupid, as you so capably illustrate.
I was unaware I ran for any office.
BTW — elliptic advice is not advice, it’s just trolling.
It is the typical Bonesteel pattern.
Make a comment that is lazy at best in its analysis.
When challenged, provide no defense and instead respond with “this is typical of why Repubs lost the election, blah blah blah”
Warren,
The law does not allow for a man to be given free opportunity to assault another man, even if the offender is 10 years older.
Crowder should press charges. All of us should press charges each and every time there is a blatant violation of the law. These people have no conscience, and society will not shame them into better behavior. If we sit back and complain “look at what that bad man/woman did to me”, but we take no action, we have only ourselves to blame at that point. They won’t stop if we don’t push back.
What you can’t understand is that you portrary yourselves as the innocent victims who are being portrayed as the evil villain of the piece.
When you go on national TV – or a blog – and call out grandpa and threaten him with jail if grandpa doesn’t show up, you are the evil villain of the piece.
You’re supposed to be the party and ideology of law and order, not vengence and mob justice. That’s what you keep saying.
iow, you’re abandoning The Constitution and your own ideology when you say such things.
Defend youself while it’s happening? Yes. Fight back while it’s happening? Yes. File charges, afterwards. Yes. File a lawsuit after consulting with a lawyer? Yes. Do those things.
Threaten grandpa on national tv? No. That’s just wrong. That’s completely against the values you claim to stand for.
“Threaten grandpa on national tv? No. That’s just wrong. That’s completely against the values you claim to stand for.”
It was a challenge to a fair fight because “grandpa” surrounded by tens of thousands of his friends tried to beat down someone who has different politics than his.
This is a case of Obama unleashing the union mob against his political opponents, just like he did with Obamacare protests and with the same results.
This is also how Obama won the election, by pitting one group of Americans against another by accusing Republicans of being bigots, racists, and misogynists.
One could say that this violence from the Democrat party puts us on the slippery slope to a third world dictatorship. Where Obama imitates the MB and sends out thugs to beat his political opponents. But in reality this is just another example in a long series of political violence from Democrats over the last forty years and a frightening upward trend over the last 12 years.
Warren Bonesteel,
You wrote:
“What you can’t understand is that you portray yourselves as the innocent victims who are being portrayed as the evil villain of the piece.”
It isn’t a portrayal. It is the fact of the actual event.
“When you go on national TV – or a blog – and call out grandpa and threaten him with jail if grandpa doesn’t show up, you are the evil villain of the piece.”
If you are saying Crowder is flawed because he didn’t have your particular textbook solution to dealing with an angry, abusive mob who shouted threats to kill and tore down and destroyed private property, and one of whom landed blows in the presence of dozens of his shouting buddies, then I challenge your claim to being a former Marine. A Marine would never sit back and spout an academically limp dissection of the actions of man threatened with mob violence. Instead he would evaluate the man’s personal options in such a scenario, how to identify a dangerous situation, de-escalation strategies, crowd control techniques and/or previous lessons learned. You are a fraud, or you are a failure as a standard bearer for the U.S. Marine Corps.
“You’re supposed to be the party and ideology of law and order, not vengence and mob justice. That’s what you keep saying.” You have no comment on the several laws broken by the mob of men confronting Crowder and AFP, and have nothing but disdain for Crowder and PJM readers/writers for not responding to the situation in your particular mysterious textbook method. You are a fraud, drawing from the Alinsky playbook to accuse, while ignoring evil on behalf of those you defend.
“iow, you’re abandoning The Constitution and your own ideology when you say such things.” This is a particularly lazy accusation.
“Threaten grandpa on national tv? No. That’s just wrong. That’s completely against the values you claim to stand for.”
NATIONAL TV? That is your assessment, that this is national TV? Yet you have nothing to say about the crime of assault and the crime of battery, and instead you are distorting strawman values that Crowder or “we” have violated while responding to flagrant violation of law? You are a fraud. You claim to be a former Marine and a Libertarian? You are neither, or you are a particularly weak example of both. Here are conservative values; Law and order matter. When people violate it, we hold them accountable, no matter their race, color, creed, gender, sexuality, religion, age, economic status or political affiliation. And if we get called names while we enforce the law, so be it.
What are you talking about? The guy punched Crowder! Did you even see the video?
And you call the guy grandpa? What, we should excuse everyone over 50 when they want to punch someone out? Depending on which side they are on, of course?
This really makes me mad. The guy looks about 55 to me. And certainly hail and hearty enough to hit someone, as he chose to do. In the video, he assaults a guy Crowder, who is doing nothing to anyone. Look at the video – do you think that wouldn’t hurt? Do you think this is some harmless old geezer in a wheelchair or something?
You actually consider any response by Crowder to be bad PR and ” why republicans lose,” or whatever? Watch the video!
If you think that guy is harmless, let him punch you and see how it feels.
clearly crowder provoked the ole’ brownshirt
by asking simple questions about right to work and why unions are opposed to rtw the typical triggered lefty response was elicited— “HALLIBURTONBUSHKOCHBROTHERSDERP”
because this particular lefty is a brownshirt and, as a result – praying for the glory days of baseball bats smashing in to the skulls of opposition, perpetually seething the “HBKBD” syndrome manifested itself in a physical attack
and crowder was correct to assume that any attempt to “fight back” would have resulted in almost certain death
And next from the left we’ll be hearing that the punch was “taken out of context.”
Have they started babbling about “Cointelpro” yet? You really haven’t reached the depths of lefty nuttiness until they start into that.
If only Andrew Breitbart were still here!
Crowder is Breitbart.
I am Breitbart.
We are all Breitbart now.
And you won’t see anyone here admit that the video showing a punch thrown at Crowder was edited to delete fact that union guy was pushed or fell to his knees near Crowder before punch was thrown. Full tape was on Hannity last night but doctored tape was the one tweeted by Crowder, who admits editing tape to Forbes.
“Was pushed or fell?” Which is it? Kind of a huge difference, don’t you think? And if he was pushed, who did it? And what’s your excuse for the destruction of the AFP tent?
It is not clear from the full tape – which everyone deserves to see for themselves – whether he fell or was pushed and if pushed whether it was accidental or not.
In any case, it is reasonably clear to me that he thought that Crowder had a hand in the act. Whether or not that was the case, of course, it was reasonably foreseeable that someone like Crowder who comes to an event with the specific intent, in his own words, of causing a “ruckus” would end up in a melee of some sort. And that is why Crowder will likely not have much of a case if he were to attempt to bring charges. But I am not a criminal lawyer so remain agnostic about this.
But there is no excuse for tweeting an edited version of the events that deletes a critical fact.
Can’t comment on the tent issue as the videos I have seen are unclear and dark.
blame the victim, excuse the brute, blah blah blah
It doesn’t really matter. The Right to Work Bill passed.
Your statements belong in the same category of the 9/11 Truthers who claim that videotapes “clearly” show the WTC was hit by American missiles. Or that there is “no conclusive evidence” that al Qaeda was behind the attacks. Or that the Bush Administration altered documents and forced witnesses to give false testimony.
Please seek psychiatric help.
I didn’t doctor the tape, Crowder did.
“In any case, it is reasonably clear to me that he thought that Crowder had a hand in the act…”
exactly
crowder knew the seething brownshirts would be incapable of coherently presenting the unions position on anything- let alone rtw
so, by asking a simple question “what is it about rtw that you oppose so much?,” the lefty defense mechanism of “HALLIBURTONBUSHKOCHBROTHERSDERP” kicks in and, in this case, results in a physical attack
It took me a few clicks to find the unedited video. At 1:32-1:35 you See “Tony” standing there as Crowder turns and steps away while Tony is still standing there before it shakes and “Tony” on the ground.
Looks like Tony tripped and fell into Crowder and started swinging on Crowder out of pride, or he tried to grab/push/attack Crowder and it didn’t turn out like he planned, and started swinging on Crowder of pride
And did you see how short his skirt was? He was clearly asking for it!
“Can’t comment on the tent issue as the videos I have seen are unclear and dark.”
Really, Steve? Seriously? Well, that’s a lie and you’re a liar. There are plenty of crystal clear videos of the brownshirts you’re defending.
Perhaps they’d look a little more ‘clear’ to you if you took off those union label, filth-smeared glasses you’re wearing.
Funny. The union dudes were just standing around there, right (and I mean right) next to the tent hosting people they did not like, you know hanging out peacefully, and then a union guy starts throwing punches, after picking his butt of the ground.
I learned in kindergarten that if you did not want to get into a fight, don’t act like that. If you did want to get into fight, do just that. I later learned in life that people do act like that intentionally.
Yep, the union dudes are not to blame – just Crowley.
As to the tent issue. For someone who has studied the edited and unedited versions of this tape, how the heck did you miss the activity in the background where the union dudes were physically pushing and pulling on the corner of the tent behind Crowley? Were they trying to help set it up?
I learned in kindergarten that if you want to knock a tent down, that method would work. I later learned in life that if that method was used, it was not done with the best intentions in mind.
Yeah, when I’m in a crowd and stumble, I always lash out with my fists.
Link up or shut up. Where is this “unedited” video?
Sean Hannity played full video. Link on my blog at LUN.
As I said, full video on Hannity last night. LUN.
they’re engaged in a systematic effort to create confusion and discourage mainstream journalists from reporting on the incident
And I’ve seen you’ve been making the rounds in the conservative blogsphere, doing your part as a good footsoldier.
You lie and you’re a fascist apologist.
A hero one day, a bum the next. Such is the plight of an independent thinker.
Do you know one?
You wouldn’t know a fascist if you saw one in the mirror.
If you follow Diamond’s link to his blog, there is a post on this topic here. It has two links, one to the “edited” video, and one to the “unedited” video.
The first link goes directly to what is says, but the second does not; it goes here, which is a long screed encapsulating the essence of the Left’s chosen form of ad hominem being used against Stephen Crowder: a repurposing of the old, long discredited “she was dressed provocatively so she asked for it” rapist defense.
There are videos there, but they are all part of the repurposed rape defense, intended to bolster the claim that Crowder “asked for it”. Most of the rest of the links just feed you into the Leftist echo chamber, manufacturing “evidence” in keeping with the pattern that Stacy McCain identifies.
If the video is out there, Diamond doesn’t seem interested in us finding it.
Why make us slog through all that crap, Diamond? Why no direct link?
There is a direct link at the bottom of the article. As of last night when I posted tbe blog, that was the only on line link to Sean Hannity’s unedited video.
But talk about blaming the victim – if the “conservative blogosphere” did their own research instead of just distributing Crowder’s self-serving doctored clip we would not be having this conversation.
I watched the “unedited” video you linked to, Steve.
First: It’s edited. Not unedited. Just so you know.
Second: Yes, your thug is on the ground before he attacks. But why?
Because his first attack, which the camera missed, threw him off balance.
How do we know this?
The camera pans too far to the right. That’s a critical fact. A person trying to capture fast, unexpected movement will over-anticipate. So we know there was fast, unexpected movement to the right. It could only have come from the Thug- fast movement by Crowder would have pulled the cameraman’s attention to the left.
Here’s what happened:
Thug lunges after victim, draws attention of camera man, who moves quickly to capture action, but is unable to.
Thug misses, cameraman tries to follow motion, pans too far to right.
Thug is on floor, camera pans down to thug.
Thug gets up… note at this point he is not deciding on what to do, or where Crowder is. He immediately turns back to where Crowder was a moment ago. Why? To continue his attack. He is still mentally “locked on target”, as it were. At this point, so is the cameraman.
Note that Crowder is right where thug left him. His position was not displaced by the activity.
IF Crowder had thrown the man to the floor, it would have played out differently. First, Crowder would have been pushed back himself. Physics. Second, the cameraman would not have overcompensated for the thug’s motion, because the initial movement would have been on Crowder’s part- and that would draw the camera to the left, not to the right. You would have seen the camera pan past a moving Crowder, and then down at a fallen thug.
So the “Crowder attacked first” can be pretty much dismissed, much more easily than “Greedo shot first”.
As I noted elsewhere, it is physically possible that the guy to Crowder’s left just before the incident, who is face-to-face with union guy, might have thrown him.
Your hypothesis, however, works just as well from the purely physical point of view. It also jibes with the clumsiness of the thrown punches we see later, all of which hint at union guy’s likelihood of some drinking prior to the incident.
Nice theory, but only a theory. Again, why did Crowder doctor the tape at just the point that shows the vulnerability of his alleged attacker? And if there was no provocation, no self-defense, and if Crowder was indeed hit and injured, why not demand an arrest? Instead he laughed it off on Hannity.
The “unedited” video can be found here. foxnews
The guy on the ground is at 1:36.
I think it’s clear that the union guy ended up on the ground by someone’s intent; the amount of ground covered from where he was standing to where he ended up is far too big to be merely tripping, or falling over from some jostling. He was pushed/thrown, or he leapt.
But he fell past Mr. Crowder, and Mr. Crowder did not show any sign that he had pulled him or was even in contact with him.
Correct. But check the video prior to the union guy being on the ground.
The last moment we see union guy still standing, he was talking to some other guy who was on Crowder’s immediate left. If union guy was **pushed** by someone from “the other side”, that’s my first suspect.
Crowder is to camera right of union guy the whole time; for him to be the one knocking union guy down, he’d have had to grab, pull and *throw* him over to camera right. That would have been very obvious.
An interesting side note: Right after the “guy on ground” point at 1:36, someone screams “He’s got a gun!” a few times.
Who “has a gun”? Crowder? Or the union guy? It happened right after the scuffle, suggesting that someone had a concealment breach because of it. Michigan is “shall issue” so this doesn’t necessarily mean any illegality.
Union guy says AFP’er in tent has gun.
Were any shots fired, Mr. Diamond? Is there any evidence that they weren’t just panicking or lying? They had destroyed private property and assaulted a man. They’re not exactly in a position where their word is due much respect.
Whether or not shots were fired is not relevant. The point is that it was the AFP’er who, apparently, had the gun not the union members. As for an “assault,” I think you mean battery. There is some suggestion that Crowder had already assaulted and battered the union guy who ended up on his knees. If Mr. Crowder is so sure that he is in the right then I am sure he will step forward and ask for a police investigation.
Whether or not shots were fired is not relevant.
Actually, it’s pretty relevant. Nice try, though.
I notice that you’re not engaged in the thread about the union’s fuzzy bunnies racially attacking a man and destroying his hot dog cart. Not interested?
If you mean it was a union guy calling out the gun in the video, bragging about having “killed people with guns” does not acquit him well.
That an AFP member would carry concealed does not count against him in any manner whatsoever. Brandishing it would, but I have heard nothing about any brandishing charges nor seen any evidence of this. Were I in the middle of that, I’d be carrying too. (That being said, I would not be in the middle of that. I know what that clenched fist means; it’s the Left’s method of dealing with dissent.)
There is some suggestion that Crowder had already assaulted and battered the union guy who ended up on his knees
Now I know you are operating in bad faith.
“Suggestion” by whom other than yourself? Smokescreening. You aren’t just aiding and abetting the Left, you are an active participant now.
That is an arbitrary claim, properly rejected out of hand. There is no evidence for it, not in any of the videos or other links you have supplied.
Rather, the evidence suggests to me that union guy was drunk, and Crowder simply stood out in the resulting haze as being the loudest mouth and a target. As noted by another commenter, union guy probably made a rush and missed; the clumsiness of his subsequent punches support this.
Sorry, bub: “provocation” does not justify the attack. The *instant* that happens, the attacker is in the wrong, no matter what color his shirt.
Speaking of which, that shirt’s symbol does indicate prior mindset re: dissent… throw in the alcohol, and it looks like the “he asked for it” rapist defense is collapsing of its own weight.
Steve Diamond – you have no idea who yelled “he has a gun”. Nor any idea of who yelled I have killed before. Just as you have no idea of how union dude fell on the ground.
What you do know, and refuse to acknowledge, is why the heck the peaceful union dudes were even in the vicinity of the tent, (and as is very clear in the edited and unedited video, they were trying to take the tent down).
So, he was pushed so that his fist accidentally fell into Crowder’s face four times? C’mon!
No, he fell or was pushed/tripped and then got up, apparently blamed Crowder and lunged. Crowder, martial artist, pushed back. Not at all clear Crowder was injured or even hit.
Then Crowder doctored the tape on his site.
Re: hot dog guy…heard about that today. Not aware of any video evidence being ginned up to hide the crime. That said, I think physical action in defense of civil rights is only justifiable under very limited circumstances, such as self-defense. I do not think the labor movement needs to use physical action to win this battle. And the evidence of such physical action is, indeed, barely existing here.
December 12, 2012 – 3:53 pm
“That said, I think physical action in defense of civil rights is only justifiable under very limited circumstances, such as self-defense. I do not think the labor movement needs to use physical action to win this battle.”
Ah yes. “physical action”. Certainly not assault and/or battery. Reminds me of terrorism vs “workplace violence”, wars vs “contingency plans”, truth vs spin baby spin. Good little journ-o-lister.
I guess you know Nothing about simple Physics do you??
If “Tony the boxer” was Pushed and was on his knees while facing Crowder, he was pushed by one of his Union thug buddies, NOT Crowder. If he was facing Crowder, and was Pushed by Crowder, it’s Highly unlikely he would be on his knees, he would be on his ass. Of course, silly things like FACTS should never get in the way of a good leftist diatribe.
It’s called the “government-media ALLIANCE.” That’s how I see it. A sort of “axis” of mutual ideology and intentions.
Not terribly different from how the German newspapers and radio ignored Brownshirt violence in the 1930s. It’s clear now that the implementation of Fascism requires a complacent and compliant media. True in Germany. True in Italy. And well on the way to true in Amerika.
Media leftists are worthless SOBs with no character.
In their version of events, the entire AfP tent/assault on Crowder was some sort of “false flag” trick. – Preston
This is merely projection. Leftwingers are so used to actually perpetrating “false flag” operations that they believe they are common practice of the opposition.
From the fake hate crime (see the Congressional Black Caucus and Congressman Lewis as a well known example of this common ploy) to Soviet agents.
I am Breitbart! As all the slaves that jumped up and said, “I am Spartacus!” We stand together against tyranny or we will fall for sure.
Re Warren Bonesteel comment- “Granpa” is a frickin’ union THUG who attacked a man for no good reason, and the Lamestream Media should pull their collective heads from their collective anuses and DO THEIR JOB!
Straw man. I never said he wasn’t guilty.
I said that Crowder’s challenge, and subsequent threat, on ntional TV, was foolish.
Okay then WB, what is your comment on the union man and his actions?
Crowder defending hinself during the crime? Yes. He should’ve done that. File charges? Yes. File a lawsuit after consulting a lawyer? Yes. All of that law and order, habeas corpus stuff? Yes. Certainly. The right claims to support such things.
Going on national TV and calling out grandpa and threatening grandpa if grandpa doesn’t show up? Now, you’re looking for plain and simple vengeance, with conservatives all over teh nation calling for vigilante justice. The right claims to be against such things vigilantism and Mob justice.
Pursue legal action against other incidents of violence during this protest? Yes. Certainly.
Choosing Crowder – who’s openly called for vengeance, while other conservatives have invoked vigilante justice against an American citizen – as your current hero???
“Going on national TV and calling out grandpa and threatening grandpa if grandpa doesn’t show up? Now, you’re looking for plain and simple vengeance, with conservatives all over teh nation calling for vigilante justice.” No, conservatives are calling for enforcement of the law. Vigilante justice is what you see in the video when the union men tear down the tent and destroy private property.
The right claims to be against such things vigilantism and Mob justice.” This is an Alinsky style accusation. Ignore evil, and accuse those who are victimized of not meeting their own standards.
“Choosing Crowder – who’s openly called for vengeance, while other conservatives have invoked vigilante justice against an American citizen – as your current hero???” Prove your claim that Crowder “openly called for vengeance”
No one has invoked vigilante justice. Rewards for arrest information have been offered, as is done when searching for many other criminals who have escaped identification and the law.
Crowder isn’t being hailed as a hero. Union protesters in Lansing are being exposed as thugs.
Your attempts to discredit that exposure, and to discredit enforcement of the law relating to demonstrations on state and national level issues, leaves you on the side of the thugs.
And now this:
“Union Thugs Demolish Clint Tarver’s Iconic Lansing,Michigan Hot Dog Cart”
//www.ironicsurrealism.com/2012/12/12/union-thugs-demolish-clint-tarvers-iconic-lansingmichigan-hot-dog-cart-photo-donation-link/
Pure commie-mob-union scum.
P.S. Fixed the link for you, Ringo (the ‘http’ part):
Union Thugs Demolish Clint Tarver’s Iconic Lansing,Michigan Hot Dog Cart
Thanks.
Thanks Delia. That deserved a post.
The Republicans have a media problem and they’d better deal with it soon. We all know how Pravda and Izvestia drive the stories so why let them. Refuse interviews only, in so doing tell the press you’re not going to do any interviews with them because they don’t report honestly. Keep saying it, day in and day out. People know this, many of them Democrats know this, yet as long as the Republicans don’t attack them, they feel it’s OK.
Boehner should refuse to have a press conference and, if he does, do what Obama does and review the questions before hand and call on the people whose question you like. Just tell them, you’re not going to report our views and, if you do you will most certainly distort them.
No, Republicans need to stop playing “big media’s” game. NOBODY in the BoWash Axis of Evil is ever going to vote for a Republican. NOBODY in Ecotopia, the Left Coast west of the mountains, is ever going to vote for a Republican. Republicans need to do pressers and make news in the places where people vote for them, not in the places held by an occupying communist army. Sorry, if being that way keeps the member from being on the Georgetown party A-list or keeps staffers from screwing sexy reporters and producers but no Republican is EVER going to get fair and honest coverage in the BoWash or Ecotopia. And, frankly, if you’re a powerful elected or appointed official or a staffer to one, the reporters and lobbyists, and even the pretty young things, will come to where you are. All the Alaska reporters are poor as church mice, so whenever I had drinks with one, I always wound up buying. I’ll always be grateful to Sarah for bringing big-time reporters to Alaska for a little while; for the first time in my life a reporter picked up the tab.
Even though local and regional media out here in flyover country are often owned by the same lefty news corporations, the local and regional media have to be somewhat more sensitive to the folkways and mores of the places where they need to sell ads and papers. The “Bubble-headed Bleach Blonde” on Channel 2 in Anchorage can’t be as nasty to Sarah Palin as can Katie Couric. The lefty punk 20-something reporter for the McClatchey-owned Anchorage Daily News can’t be as viruently leftist and nasty as can his colleague at The Sacremento Bee.
Republicans need to spend a LOT more time in their districts and only show up in DC for committee work, real work, and votes. The House of Representative really ought to be considerably larger both so that there would be more community of interest in a district and so that there was some reasonable likelihood that a Member would wind up in line at the grocery store with one of his/her constituents. We have that problem here in Alaska with our small, 40 members, House and 20 member Senate; if you live in Juneau, Anchorage, Fairbanks, Ketchikan, or one of the regional hubs like Nome, Kotzebue, or Bethel, you might know and see your Represenative or Senator, but outside the “urban” areas, Alaska House and Senate districts are geographically bigger than all but a few states and have no roads, so unless you run into him/her in an airport or on a plane or ferry, you’re not likely to ever have any personal contact with your representative or senator.
If a majority of conservatives/libertarians simply canceled their cable/newspaper subscriptions citing the extreme left bias as the reason, then we’d either get some balance or put them out of business. Try reading a book and getting your news strictly from reliable (conservative) outlets on the Internet, you’ll be much happier and better informed like I’ve been since dumping big media after the ’08′ election.
THIS is what “bullying” really looks like.
Precisely.
Red shirt. Brown shirt. Union shirt. Doesn’t matter.
See my comment #23 below.
Dog Bites Man… Yawn.
Did the leftists actually kill someone? No? Then it’s not a story. That’s what leftists do. They take. They piss all over what they have. And then they demand more.
“This is not what democracy is supposed to look like.”
Actually, it is *precisely* what democracy looks like–a majority mob assaulting the individual–”the smallest minority,” as Ayn Rand put it. (Would it have mattered in this context if the *majority* of Michigan residents and politicians were against this bill?)
Democracy is slavery in the antebellum South; it’s the lynch mob; it is exactly why our Founding Fathers framed a constitution for a _republic_ (“…if you can keep it”). To guard against the *tyranny* of the majority (as well as the tyranny of the minority, with only the smallest minority possessing rights.
“A moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of expression in a social context …
“Rights” are a moral concept—the concept that provides a logical transition from the principles guiding an individual’s actions to the principles guiding his relationship with others—the concept that preserves and protects individual morality in a social context—the link between the moral code of a man and the legal code of a society, between ethics and politics. Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law” (“Man’s Rights,” The Virtue of Selfishness, 92; Ayn Rand)
This is why, in a large part, the conservative world view gets short shrift: You centered rights on a deity, the “proof” which existence you claim requires reliance, not on reason, but on faith. Thus you acknowledge that these primitive, irrational creatures on the Left are representatives of reason–and you, representatives of mysticism.
Who’s going to listen to voodoo priests chanting their mantras? And who’s going to listen to those who even you admit stand for reason?
“Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.” –Aristotle
I was waiting for this, as the festivities in Michigan are precisely what democracy is all about – which is why we have (or used to have) a constitutional republic.
Yet another description: Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for supper. Cheers -
Except that the concept of unalienable rights or natural rights was logically posited by Cicero well before Christianity ever existed. And is it so very mad to put a certain, rare category of right into the rarified strata of having been bestowed to humanity by some agency beyond his own? After all, when you believe that your basic rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are yours and yours alone and not to be taken from you by any other mere man or agency of men, then you are free and to be subjugated lightly.
It’s interesting to contrast this with the Gabby Giffords shooting. At the time the NYT was publishing hand-wringing editorials about the Sarah Palin “target” metaphor that had caused the violent feelings in her supposedly devoted follower Loughner.
Today we’ve got union members and lawmakers, practicing real violence and calling for blood. No metaphors this time, rather, the REAL THING. Any anguish from the NYT or the rest of the MSM? Nope. What a dangerous joke the press has become.
Henchmen. Ever watch a super hero movie and wonder, where does the bad guy get his henchman? I wouldn’t know where to begin to finding henchman. But the Joker, or Lex Luthor or Two-Face or Scut Farkus never seem to have any problem recruiting henchmen. So, where do henchmen come from?
After yesterday in Lansing, I know. You just go down to the local union hall and take your pick.
Too bad henchmen don’t go on strike more often or drink while on henchman duty. If these guys put as much effort into making cars as they do busting heads, we’d lead the world’s auto industry.
“…..making cars….”? Actual labor is the LAST thing on their agenda.
“it happened”
no, it didn’t happen for the 70% of the country that gets its news from the corrupt media.
Just like 70% of the country doesn’t have a clue that the person the media tells them is a god-man, is, in fact, the most radical leftist to ever hold high office in the United States.
The most radical leftist? What’s his big achievment? “Obamacare” right? You know that thing which was taken straight from the republican health plan alternative to hillarycare and which was based in large part on the republican governor of Mass’s health plan?
That’s radical leftism?
Obama has time and again continued or implemented ideas that came from the GOP and the GOP has consistently freaked out about it. He continued Bush’s practices with regards to the bailouts and the wars in Iraq and Afgahanistan. Was G.W> Bush also the most radical leftist the world has ever seen?
At what point do you realize how thoroughly you’ve been indoctrinated?
Obamacare and “Romneycare” are as different as the state governments and the federal government. There is a reason Obamacare has shown up on federal dockets many times, and is headed for more, while Romneycare has not been challenged in court at all. It is you who should stop spouting nonsensical talking points.
What is the economic/political belief system of a man who thinks “the wealth (private property) should be spread around (by the federal government)” ?
PS. Oh, and the way to insure genuine freedom in the workplace is to start by repealing the Wagner Act. RTW laws in essence do the same as laws favoring unions: the strip the owner/employer–you know, the one who *created* the wealth in the first place so you can have jobs–of his property rights.
But the producer doesn’t matter in such debates.
Just as the doctor doesn’t matter in debates about socialized medicine.
“When opposite basic principles are clearly and openly defined, it works to the advantage of the rational side; when they are not clearly defined, but are hidden or evaded, it works to the advantage of the irrational side.” –Ayn Rand
“The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority; it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind; it is the appeaser’s intellectual abdication that invites them to take over. When a culture’s dominant trend is geared to irrationality, the thugs win over the appeasers. When intellectual leaders fail to foster the best in the mixed, unformed, vacillating character of people at large, the thugs are sure to bring out the worst. When the ablest men turn into cowards, the average men turn into brutes.” – Ayn Rand, The Objectivist, “Altruism as Appeasement,” January 1966.
Hoffa said on CNN, that “this is a step backward” for Michigan and Detroit. Backward from what?
Detroit going from almost 2 million prosperous people in 1950 to around 750,000 today? 190,000 private sector jobs? Out of 264,000 households, 9.2 percent of households are a mom and dad with kids under 18? 91,000 households on food stamps?
A step backward from this trend, this abyss?
Well, let’s hope.
I worked for an IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) union headquarters in the 1990′s as a paid consultant for a certain project. I met many of the senior guys with 15, 20, 30 years on their ticket as well as the executives and business managers. Yes, working with electrical power lines in all kinds of weather is an extremely dangerous job. Yes, the connections to the Sopranos crowd were palpable & obvious in my city as it is in many large cities.
My impression is that most are nice men individually with whom to have a brewski. In a pack, they are extremely dangerous people with an exaggerated sense of self importance, to be polite call it “esprit de corps”.
Let’s merely describe them as concrete thinkers with a certain tingle.
Mr. Crowder has my sympathies. I suggest he leave town and find a new line of work for the next 10 years or so. Seriously!
No! Do not leave town Crowder! Jeebus! Stay & fight!
Suggest you view the old Marlon Brando movie, On the Waterfront.
I dunno. The family knew to give my IBEW uncle a wide berth at family gatherings, especially the Republicans, especially after he started drinking. He started beating up his sisters at a pretty young age, and he stayed mean until he got too old to fight.
Here is a link from The Blaze regarding an IBEW local and its shenanigans in Philly.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hear-the-annoying-tactic-one-union-is-using-to-protest-in-philly-that-has-residents-going-crazy/
Remember, IBEW is in practically every municipality in Canada and the United States. They work on the intercity electrical distribution system among other things.
If you are a municipal elected official and you tick them off too much, the power can go out in your town really quickly…and… yes…. that’s been done. Were they the folks who denied non-unionized municipal electricians from Alabama working rights in NY and NJ when they went north to help restore power after hurricane Sandy? Remember those reports from three weeks ago? Comments, please. The media never named the union in the reportage that I saw.
Thugs and corruption thrive on secrets, and in the dark.
We should not back down and we should not stop exposing these things. Encouraging others to back down is a bad idea. It only encourages the thugs. Much better would be to suggest discrete/appropriate/safe ways to expose the crime/thuggery.
I agree with you. However, these people are ruthless, brutal and completely amoral. Mr. Crowder has challenged the alleged assailant to a sanctioned boxing match to benefit charity or face a felony charge. HA HA HA.
Does he think that ANY impartial jury of peers can be found in that most unionized of states, Michigan? Does he think that any federal prosecutor will handle a civil rights prosecution on this matter? HA HA HA. Does he think that any municipal D.A. with jurisdiction in Lansing will handle this?
Mr. Crowder wouldn’t be the first American journalist to push a little too much and disappear. Its an American tradition. Here is a famous case from the 1970′s:
http://www.examiner.com/article/arizona-republic-reporter-don-bolles-murdered-by-the-arizona-mob
In case the name is familiar, his brother wrote a famous series of job search and life planning books. Apparently there wasn’t a parachute for Mr. Bolles.
Something we all should have learned from history by now, a controlled economy needs a thug corps.
You did yourself proud, Steve. A moment to show all your kids one day. I just don’t know why you didn’t clock the guy when you pushed him back. He was off balance and out muscled, which given his girth showed why.
GM
My thoughts too; Especially when the guy leads a haymaker with his face.
Of course the media won’t publicize the union violence. One (of many) reasons is that Obama was speaking before a union the day before in Michigan.
“They claimed that the video was “edited,” which is true of every single video ever taken since the dawn of video.”
well, to be fair, the right has had more than a few cases in the last several years of editing videos to make them appear completely different than what actually happened. Actually a LOT more than a few, just in recent years.
You can only parade so many fake O’Keefe videos before people simply start *assuming* you’re full of it ALL the time. My suggestion would be to stop supporting so many charlatans, if, you know, you want to re-establish some credibility.
O’Keefe video’s were accurate and quite revealing:
1)ACORN was advising a pimp how to collect benefits,launder money and purchase property (whorehouse).
2) PBS executives were discussing slanted coverage and million dollar donations
and so on …
O’Keefe is an investigative reporter. There aren’t many left in this country,
so they shouldn’t be smeared by low information posters.
“This is not what democracy is supposed to look like.”
Actually, this is EXACTLY what democracy is supposed to look like. That’s why our Founders created a Republic.
Oops, writeby beat to this observation, though I can’t say I fully agree with his characterization of the moral foundations of Christianity as mere “mysticism.”
I think what we are seeing is a prelude to what might happen when obama’s “green shirts” start enforcing his policies. If and when it happens, the main stream propaganda machine will completely ignore it so the entire country can be brought under “control” without alarming areas not under control yet. I hope I’m wrong but I have seen nothing from this administration to make me think it couldn’t happen. We were asked by one of our local propaganda machines if we thought this type of “right to work” legislation could happen in kalifornia. It stands a snowball’s chance in hell. We have a better chance of sliding off into the Pacific Ocean than to have logical, clear thinking legislation ever happen in kalifornia.
Why do you think Obama want’s a kill switch for the internet? Why does the UN want it’s collection of dictators control of the internet?
Because having control of the media is not enough any more.
I guess we’ll never see demonstrations at any main stream media facilities, since these groups already act like these thugs in Michigan when it comes to dispersing any “news”.
Pray folks, pray. The only hope now is if God intervenes. Collectively the US is off the rails and the cars are starting to fly.