Former President Bill Clinton, in an interview taped Monday yet aired today on CBS, countered outcry over the anti-Muhammad film by stressing that one can’t live in a “shame-based society.”
“We weren’t disrespecting Islam by not squelching a film trailer that nobody in authority knew anything about, that 99 percent think was crude and disrespectful and awful; but that we have learned the hard way over more than 200 years that in order to preserve freedom and liberty, including the freedom of religion, you have to allow people to say and do things that you find abhorrent, and you can’t react every time you’re insulted,” Clinton said.
“The point is, if you live in a shame-based society where you think nothing good’s going to happen, the temptation is to wait for somebody to say something you find offensive and then you can lash out against it.”
Clinton acknowledged that “Americans don’t understand all Muslim countries as well as we should.”
“But they need to understand us and themselves. You cannot live in a shame-based world. You won’t make it in the 21st century,” he said.
“You’ve got to be able to say, if you believe in Islam that I believe in a God and a prophet strong enough to withstand the criticisms of petty, narrow-minded, mean-spirited people, I believe that the cultural crassness I abhor will, in the end, fall before the values that I exalt.”
Oh, this is just too much: “I believe that the cultural crassness I abhor will, in the end, fall before the values that I exalt.”
And what “values” would those be?
One of Billy’s values: “You never what you’ll find if you drag a dollar bill through a trailer park.” All that nice spiritedness and stuff
Typical Billy Bob…the first ‘Black President, pretending to be a jive talking, smooth as silk pimp from the hood ( though with his whore mongering, it is not too far from the truth), as he first tells the truth,then reverses course. In other words a typical political whore.
Sheesh.
Billy would do well to study the policy paper embedded in ‘Islam and Blood’, before he struts his lying stuff again – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/13/islam-blood-a-groundbreaking-policy-paper-contained-herein-the-world-stands-on-a-precipice-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-109/
And, the more Billy’s radical left side shores up the blood soaked green side, the more the following will come to the fore, exposing his fealty, and that of ‘wifey’ – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/14/the-redgreen-alliance-the-ties-that-bind-hillary-clinton-huma-abedin-compromise-us-national-security-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-36/
Ah…the deceit…the conceit, of those whose power lust knows no bounds!
Typical Billy Bob…the first ‘Black President, pretending to be a jive talking, smooth as silk pimp from the hood ( though with his whore mongering, it is not too far from the truth), as he first tells the truth,then reverses course. In other words a typical political whore.
Sheesh.
Billy would do well to study the policy paper embedded in ‘Islam and Blood’, before he struts his lying stuff again – /2012/07/13/islam-blood-a-groundbreaking-policy-paper-contained-herein-the-world-stands-on-a-precipice-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-109/
And, the more Billy’s radical left side shores up the blood soaked green side, the more the following will come to the fore, exposing his fealty, and that of ‘wifey’ – /2012/07/14/the-redgreen-alliance-the-ties-that-bind-hillary-clinton-huma-abedin-compromise-us-national-security-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-36/
Ah…the deceit…the conceit, of those whose power lust knows no bounds!
among other things, the ‘film’ mocks a religious justification of pederasty.
Just how could you approach that subject without being crass?
Move on?
Wise words from Bill Clinton (too bad his wife didn’t say them). The problem is, though, that Islam is a totalitarian political movement masquerading as a religion. Perpetual grievance and outrage are weapons Islam uses in its drive to dominate the West and rational appeals won’t persuade its leaders to lay them down.
Exactly – been saying that for 20 years. And sharia is their court system. This is wur president embraces!
Don’t confuse the message with the messenger. Yes it is flamboyantly ironic to hear a lecture on “crassness” from Slick Willy Clinton, but it’s a good message nonetheless. Frankly, I would have been much less diplomatic in condemning the barbarous, retrograde mentality of he Muslim world. But then again, I’m not running for President of the U.N. or most popular Ex President ever or something.
Pat Condell once said something along the lines of, on the subject of perpetual grievances from islam, that perhaps “if it starts showing others respect, it will begin to earn the respect it demands. But then, it would no longer be islam, and that is the problem.”
It is a good thing that Mitt Romney did not say the exact thing or he would be vilified for:
Being insensitive to Islam
Fomenting greater enmity between parties
Trying to cause trouble
Subverting our esteemed President Obama’s efforts for world peace
I wholeheartedly agree what President Clinton said however its probably not genuine.
I must say that some of what he says makes absolute sense. I don’t exactly get the “shame-based” reference…I’d be inclined to say “fear-based” myself…but his point is well-taken. We may differ about whether Christianity or Judaism or Islam is the more logical or pertinent religion in this current world, but that’s beside the point. If your religion is so weak that you can’t allow anyone to say anything bad about it or its founders, then you need to go back to where you came from. That simple.
The fact is, that Islam more resembles a prison gang than a “religion.” It prescribes all manner of deceit and crime against all outsiders and death for those who try to leave the gang. Once we in the West wake up to this reality, the sooner we can get this over with. In my opinion, we need to turn the legitimate power of the State against Islam and Islamists.
The concept of “Freedom of Religion” is a moral cul-de-sac for America. How can we allow “freedom” to a “religion” that calls for genocide, holy war against all Christians and Jews and despises all of the very freedoms it hides behind here in the West?
We as Americans and Westerners need to re-assess this idea. The fact is that Freedom of Religion IS NOT an absolute. If we had actual Aztec Pagans attempting to ritually sacrifice American captives, we would eradicate it, and rightfully so. SO, why is it that we tolerate a “religion” that preaches geoncide, murder, slavery, mysogyny, deceit, treachery and crime?
Do you think I exaggerate? Read the Koran and the Suras yourself sometime and tell me where I am wrong. If you dare.
No we would not eradicate it, but hopefully we would demand it cease these practices, much like we did the Mormons. When Utah wanted to become a state they came around to the idea of dropping the practice of polygamy fast enough. However, the idea that we would apply this standard consistently is hard for me to believe. For example, we have in our midst a christian group called “Dominionists” who wish to go back to biblical law and allow for “stoning of sinners” again. You got it…you work on Sunday and your neighbors get to stone you to death. Now I, belonging to no religion would be on the list to be stoned…and I believe this would be a violation of my constitutional rights. I would hope someone would step up and say to these guys…”You have no right to do this no matter what your religious beliefs”, but I have no faith that this would happen. Too many people in this country think it is okay to kill abortion doctors and people that work in abortion clinics. They feel that God calls them to do this work…and too many Americans agree with them. They don’t seem to understand that when christians do harm it is just as wrong.
I am astounded. Even this adulterous, impeached, and dishonored man HAS “SEEN THE LIGHT” and PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED SOMETHING HIS WIFE REFUSES TO DO: Reject Hussein’s demand that WE RENOUNCE OUR FREEDOMS OF SPEECH AND RELIGION! His position is admirable, and while I may not applaud the man, HIS COURAGE TO SAY THE OBVIOUS THING TO ANY AMERICAN LEAVES ME CHEERING. HE FRAMES THE ISSUE OF OUR DAY. I attempt to do so in different fashion:
“FELLOW AMERICAN’S…CAN WE TALK?”
You may think this a one-sided conversation,
But things are changing so FAST in our nation
And I now “hear you” through your acts and speech
Perhaps as well or better than if each
Of you were sitting with me now,
Striving to be as “friendly” as emotions might allow.
(So deep those feelings run! Still, WE STRIVE TO TALK.)
To start, might we agree upon “ONE THING”
And that is, in America we may sing
A song of life and love and hope unique
From all other flesh that we may see or seek.
Differences in our births or the trials of our lives
Cannot negate a truth which enemies would disguise.
(We are, at least, “Fellow Americans”.)
Of all the times and lands who’ve gone before,
There are FEW, IF ANY who have been given more!
We, thus, are offspring of generations
Whose labors/sufferings created this great nation.
If you cannot admit you are such “heir”
Then I retract my outstretched hand and honest prayer—
(I cannot talk when you deny me the freedom to do so.)
But if honor compels us to concede WE SHARE A DEBT,
Then you and I can hold “discussion” yet,
And seek to find SOME OTHER THING to share,
If honoring each other’s view is something that we dare.
I will admit, I don’t possess superior heart or reason,
To find it easy to offer any “Olive Leaf” this season.
(I have never seen such turmoil–STILL, I SHALL ONLY TALK)
I strive to dig DEEP within my meager soul,
To hold back fear and bitterness and to CONTROL
That savage anger which now so threatens my life
That, if given free rein, might begin such sorry strife—
The likes of which were only seen before,
When forefathers created and kept opened freedom’s door.
(Self Control allows us to talk–I PLEDGE TO GOD AND MAN MY SELF CONTROL)
In nations far away which have labored less,
We see conspiring “leaders” who possess
Only the arts of fraud, and jealousy, and strife—
They do not shrink to demand we give our life
Either as vassals of their own vengeful plans
Or victims, and “sacrifices” to their commands.
(Will we submit to this? Foreiners tell us what we can talk about?)
IF WE HAVE “COMMON ORIGINS”, then the sound
Of despots and warlords which are now heard all around
Should COMPEL US to join JUST AS OUR FOREBEARS did
To push aside the differences by which they lived,
AND SEEK, AT LEAST, THE FREEDOM TO DECIDE
HOW WE, AS AMERICANS, SHOULD LIVE OR DIE!
(That, fellow Americans is reason to talk!)
Can we talk?
The Clintons and I will surely disagee about many, many issues. Yet WE CAN AND DO TALK ABOUT ALL SUCH THINGS BECAUSE WE RESPECT EACH OTHER’S *RIGHTS* TO SPEAK OUR MINDS ABOUT RELIGION OR OTHER MATTERS. Thus, on November 6, WE, THE PEOPLE, SHALL PEACEFULLY EXPRESS OURSELVES. We must vote out ANYONE who denies our right to speak. NO QUIBLES; NO “SPIN”; NO COYNESS; “Straight up question to every candidate: Do you agree that here, in the USA, that freedom of speech, including speech about religions, is guaranteed?”
I smell a ‘fatwa’ coming!
I believe that mohammed, when insulted by a poet, had that poet killed. So much for the strength of mohammed or of islam to withstand criticism. Perhaps it would be a good idea for our current and past so-called politicians to learn more about the religion of peace before speaking out.
Yep = one of his minions slit her (she was a woman) throat as she breast-fed her infant.
Arabs had a very rich culture before old mo. Women were equal to men for the most part (mo got his start by marrying a wealthy older widow woman – meaning she owned property). This was the culture that invented 1001 Arabian nights with the heroine being the beautiful Scheherazade.
No telling how far they might have advanced as a culture had not islam come along.
This is also the basis for the virulent anti-semitism in the Koran and running all through Islamic doctrine and practice. The Jews know that Mohammed is a fraud and an Idolater, ergo, it becomes incumbent on all “good” muslims to destroy the Jews. It is koranic and thus organic to islam, same as general barbarism, nihilism, violence and mysogyny.
Can’t live in a shame-based world? Our poster boy, Slick Willie, sure can’t… he’d have had to resign long before Monica came along.
+100
He really is our resident expert on having no shame.
Old soldier nailed it precisely.
Clinton’s words miss the point entirely. Islam is indistinguishable from nazism as a political ideology. We have been suckered into respecting the “religious” aspect of Islam instead of dismissing it for what it is; a tyrannical, violent, anti-civilization ideology. The answer to a free speech “problem” is more free speech. The answer for a diseased idea set is truth, truth and more truth.
They do have a lot in common with Nazis. Insulting Hitler was not well received from what I’ve heard.
They were allies during WWII. Haj Amin al-Husseini – the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, met with Hitler and helped plan the liquidation of all the Jews in Palestine once Germany won the war. He even helped recruit Muslims for the Waffen-SS.
Yes, and Hitler was also cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood, which is now the ruling party in Egypt. The family of Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton’s top aide and friend, has a long history and close ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.
OK, you have to take anything Bubba says with a grain of salt and put some ice on it, BUT overall, that’s a good thing to say.
When push comes to shove, Bubba’s brass ones come out. Apocryphally, when the Norks once told us they would nuke Los Angeles, Bubba told them that if they did anything like that, nobody would be able to find where North Korea even used to be.
Hillary, on the other hand, I dunno.
Evil is evil is evil….islam IS evil. Islamists wouldn’t hesitate to detonate a bomb in the USA that would suck the paint right off of your house and give your family a permanent orange afro.
Clinton acknowledged that “Americans don’t understand all Muslim countries as well as we should.”
Uh – yes we do. We understand them perfectly and know that oil and water don’t mix.
The problem is, Islam and its prophet is NOT “strong enough to withstand the criticisms of petty, narrow-minded, mean-spirited people,….
It’s not strong enough to withstand any criticisms–rational or irrational–whatsoever.
That is why no criticisms can be tolerated.
– of his youth are, in retrospect, glorious compared to the foibles of his old age.
Romney should have his ad up with this no later than 8 am tomorrow.
Oh wait a minute…if the campaign does that, they might lose their positions at the feeding tough. Scratch the idea.
Impeached former President Bill Clinton:
“You cannot live in a shame-based world. You won’t make it in the 21st century,”
Well…HE would be the one to know about living shamelessly.
(I swear…sometimes the jokes just write themselves, y’know?)
They can’t even make it out of the 7th century, much less jumping to the 21st.
It’s beginning to look like Bubba has found an empty chair and has decided to occupy it. Now all he needs is a good cigar and it will be just like old times.
“We weren’t disrespecting Islam by not squelching a film trailer that nobody in authority knew anything about, that 99 percent think was crude and disrespectful and awful”
I am getting very, very tired of slams on the film trailer such as: “99% think was crude and disrespectful and awful”
Why must Bill Clinton negatively comment about the content of any film trailer that offends Muslims?
The correct response is: “The film was made in America. We have freedom of speech in America. We don’t care if it offends you. We will not infringe on our citizens rights because YOU are offended. The content of that film and your response to it are irrelevant when it comes to defending the First Amendment rights of Americans. And furthermore, should any harm come to our diplomatic personnel or our embassies YOU will have hell to pay. We are done talking.”
While we’re at it, I’m also getting tired of Pastor Terry Jones being referred to as “that fruitcake Pastor” or the “nutty Florida Pastor” or some equivalent. As far as any Muslim is concerned Terry Jones is an American citizen exercising the rights of an American citizen. Period. They need no explanation beyond that. And Rev. Jones deserves the full protection supposedly guaranteed him by the Constitution.
I have heard it said that Forrest Gump was wrong, life is not like a box of chocolates; it’s more like a jar of jalapenos: What you do today (Cairo speech June 2009) can burn your a$$ tomorrow (embassy attacks September 2012).
Nice backhanded way to keep flogging “the video done it” fraud. What a whitewash.
At least he referred to shame culture versus guilt culture. Somebody’s speechwriter must’ve gone to school.
“you can’t react every time you’re insulted,”
Why would they give up a winning strategy that obviously has western societies not only on the ropes, but willing to sacrifice their values to prevent slaughter of the innocents?
Clinton acknowledged that “Americans don’t understand all Muslim countries as well as we should.”
What a stupid statement. What does that even mean? That if we understood them better we’d be more sympathetic to their beliefs? Or less? My money is on the latter.
BILL CLINTON was indeed America’s FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA was America’s FIRST MUSLIM PRESIDENT
Both are crooked pimps.
Shouldn’t your faith be stronger than wanting to censor insults?
Something similar has occurred to me many times, as in…Your faith is so flimsy that you go ballistic at the barest criticism ?
It just makes you look like jerks.
Obama’s grandiosely vapid statement at the UN yesterday far surpasses Clinton’s, for the stupid factor…
“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.”
He went on and on about the film, never mentioning the word terrorism, while the president of Libya was assuring NBC news that “the movie had nothing to do with this attack” which he labels a “pre-planned act of terrorism”
Libyan president to NBC: Anti-Islam film had ‘nothing to do with’ US Consulate attack
(this interviewer seems amazed to be told the obvious by the Libyan president, as if it were some kind of revelation)
In the full text of Obama’s UN speech, Obama declared: “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
One blogger has stated about Obama’s declaration: “I consider that statement a death threat to me and all anti-Islam
bloggers, authors, and activists by the President of the United States…” End of quote.
When DECEIVER, Barack Hussein Obama declared: “The future
must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” he meant
those who tell the TRUTH about Islam.
Barbaric mass murderer and huge slave trader, founder of Islam,
Mohammad, who married a six year old child when he was in his fifties,
declared: WAR IS DECEPTION.
U.S. ruling elites spit on the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights,
our patriotism to America and on the graves of every brave hero who
fought and died in the Second World War so that we could live in FREEDOM
and SAFETY. And they spit on the graves of the European heroes who
centuries ago, fought desperate battles to stop the cruel, barbaric
Muslim invaders.
The Obama-Clinton administration are eager to wage WAR against hated
non-Muslim infidels, especially those who tell the TRUTH about Islam.
The real path to HELL started with this POS. All that Obammer is doing is racing to the bottom beyond where Slick Willie could ever dream about. They both live (if you can call their pathetic existence living) in a world of lies, delusions, image, and extreme stupidity that the left perceives as the exact opposite, they are the smartest people on the face of the earth. It’s more like on the face of a cow’s ass.
So just ask yourselves: why didn’t Romney say something like this first?! Was it because he thought that, unlike Clinton, he might have something to lose, in being seen to lecture moslems? Ifso, then he restrained himself because of cowardice.
Oh, stop being so partisan! I don’t agree with Bill on much, and he did denigrate the office of president; however, this statement is a good one (a diplomtic one if you will). He validates (perhaps a bit too profusely) the so-called injured feelings of the Muslims, but basically tells them they, their prophet and their god look pretty small when they react as they do to a slight.
Of course, we know, as I’m sure Bill does, that this is just a ruse to kill — because that’s what the “religion of peace” does. That’s what they did in the 7th century.
Bill Clinton, I don’t believe in Islam and it was built on lies. We do not yield to these savages.
I believe that the cultural crassness I abhor will, in the end, fall before the values that I exalt.”
billy,
got one of those exalted cigars?
“The point is, if you live in a shame-based society where you think nothing good’s going to happen, the temptation is to wait for somebody to say something you find offensive and then you can lash out against it.”
…wait. we’re talking about the American Liberal base now? Clever how BC worked it into a speech about ignorant self-blind hysterical reactionaries…
That was just beautiful. Probably thick with hypocrisy, but damn, can that man talk.
The correct way to go after Islam would be the charge of treason. Without stretching the Constitution more than would be ordinary, Islam can very easily be categorized as a treasonous cult because it is both against democracy and advocates violence as a means. The two together constitute treason.
As for the First Amendment…
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444, 89 S. Ct. 1827, 23 L. Ed. 2d 430 [1969]). On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the distribution of leaflets protesting the draft during World War I was not constitutionally protected speech (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
What also comes to mind is that when a religious leader encourages violent action by a follower and they act out, the Rico Statues against organized crime come to mind. They do not contain some special exemption for religion.
Also, I view it as a huge mistake to show respect the religion while trying to deal with those who act out violently. That is like imagining that you should respect the crime kingpins even as you go after the street hustlers who are pushing the illegal product.
Just sayin…