Recently I asked some very conservative friends who are Republican primary voters and “Anybody but Romney” club members to participate in a little poll I devised.
If Romney were the GOP nominee, which of the following would best describe you?
1. Definitely stay home and not vote
2. Might stay home and not vote
3. Fully support Romney as the nominee of the Republican Party
4. Vote for Obama in protest
5. Hold my nose and vote for Romney
6. Try to start a 3rd party (knowing historically that would help re-elect Obama)
7. Happily vote for Obama
To my surprise, answer number 5 was the overwhelming winner. The fact that the “nose-holders” prevailed at all could mean that despite Romney’s steady support from only 25% of GOP primary voters, these “Anybody but Romney” voters could eventually but reluctantly support him in November 2012.
And that is very good news for Romney but better news for the Republican Party, because Romney, at this juncture, is in a virtual tie with President Obama, who leads him by only 1.2%. But most revealing is how Romney out-performs Herman Cain, whom Obama leads by 8.2%, and Rick Perry, whom Obama trounces by 9.6%. Most interesting is that Ron Paul has the second best showing against Obama, who defeats him by “only” 6.2%.
With these general election poll numbers in mind, all Romney has to do is survive the primary process, and even that is looking more promising according to this latest CNN poll of GOP primary voters in the early primary/caucus states.
Under this scenario, in early 2012 Romney would quickly turn into Barack Obama’s worst nightmare as the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party.
Ironically, Obama’s future strategy, like Rick Perry’s now, is to paint Romney as a “flip-flopper,” exactly what President George W. Bush’s “strategery” was against John Kerry in 2004.
Unfortunately for Perry, that is flawed strategy for two reasons. First, Perry should be building himself up, rather than tearing Romney down. But second and far worse, Perry will be supplying the Obama campaign with media content they will use against Romney in a general election.
But the “flip-flopper” label is easier to defend against than “right-wing radical” or “out of touch with main stream America” monikers Obama would use to the fullest extent if any of the viable candidates, except Romney, were to win the nomination. And even worse, in Perry’s case you could also expect a bumper sticker with “Bush 2.0 in 2012” with the Obama “O” logo used in the 2.0.
It’s not the “sweet smell of victory” if Romney immediately sells out. If the Republicans can’t find a candidate with a backbone, I’ll vote for Romney, but my money and my volunteer hours will go to conservative House and Senate candidate who will stand up to Romney’s pandering and squishiness.
Well, as far as that old queen Perry is concerned, he’s gonna need to be doin’ a hella lot more doin’ to overcome his recent embarrassing performances, poor dummy. Go on home, Ricky, hun. The people just don’t want ya, no matter how much they hate the other guy. The GOP better figure out waht to do and fast. So far, they have Perry, Bachmann, and Romney. A dope, a joke, and a fraud.
My rebuttal:
http://jlancecombs.blogspot.com/
wcgreen, Exactly right. Further, taken to its supposedly “logical” conclusion we’d never nominate a conservative for office. Better to nominate a lukewarm, relatively liberal Republican, right? But look at reality: Reagan and Bush II get 2 terms while Ford and Bush I are one-termers. Dole and McCain lose outright. So this whole electability argument is based on ignorance and advocated by those with a predisposition to compromise on controversial issues. We can’t just continue in the same direction at a slower rate, we need to reverse direction. So sorry, a Romney who takes us downhill more efficiently than Obama has no appeal and I would take choice #1 — stay at home. I’ve got what I need in my personal life, and I’m not going to honor the dishonorable in (what is always a symbolic, statistically insignificant gesture of) voting for the author of RomneyCare, denier on SS as a Ponzi Scheme, etc.
Obama didn’t invent the mandate, and neither did Romney. The mandate came from REAGAN. It’s called EMTALA. Look it up. The mandate comes in the form of required service in the complete absence of any prescribed funding mechanism, making doctors eat the costs.
People love to paint Reagan, the blue-state governor former Democrat, as though he were a hard-line conservative, but he’d never have gotten through this gauntlet today. He raised taxes, recall. And maybe he gave some rhetoric on abortion, but did he give the social conservatives any policy victories? Not at all. And how about that amnesty he granted?
Take off you rose-tinted glasses for the halcyon days of the ’80s, Reagan ends up looking a hell of a lot more like Romney than like Perry, Bachmann, or Cain.
Exactly. But it ain’t over ’til it’s over. Newt could still surprise us. People who now poll as supporting Cain or Perry are by definition not exactly in love with Mitt. If Cain and Perry falter, their support could conceivably swing not to Mitt but to someone less likely to “go blue” on us.
Not just NO, but HELL NO!
GOP: Reject Mitt Romney or lose EVERYTHING!
If he gets the nomination, we emigrate.
Romney is a safe candidate only for those who don’t mind losing to Obama by a narrow margin or to the those for whom business as usual is “safe”.
I will not vote for a liberal who will get some of what they want, and that is Romney to a T.
Romney is the candidate for those who do not do the necessary dirty work of getting out the vote by making endless phone calls, getting up Saturday mornings going door-door-to-door, stuffing envelopes etc etc.
Romney is the candidate for the affluent pasty people who want others to do all the hard work of electing candidates all the while they’ll sit in their lofty high places complaining about how stupid and backward are those who are getting out the vote.
Bascially, Romney is the candidate for those who hire illegal immigrants to do the housework and lawnwork so that their affluent pasty children won’t have to get their fingernails dirty.
Romney is The Meghan McCain candidate!
And the difference between Romney and Obama is..?
No fast-and-furious-type scandals, no more insulting our intelligence by saying that economy’s lack of jobs can be cured by forcing everyone to go “green”, no dumb and draconian EPA regulations.
Oh, has he repudiated his foolish AGW stance, yet? I hadn’t heard. Of course, sooner or later, he repudiates all his stances, so I guess it’s just a matter of time.
Take a look at this:
http://news.yahoo.com/mitt-romneys-shifting-views-global-warming-170037431.html
If he does anything pro AGW, I’m betting it will be superficial and cosmetic.
And what makes you think that ANYTHING pro-AGW SHOULD be done, no matter how cosmetic?
So Romney switched sides — apparently — on AGW; what makes you think he won’t switch back — again?
Besides George Will’s column about the unreliability of Romney, Erick Erickson of Redstate provides a partial list of the Romney flip-flops from back in the 2008 campaign.
http://plbirnamwood.blogspot.com/2011/10/george-will-follows-through-castigates.html
Yet.
As for hard facts, we do have Romneycare and an unequivocal stance on global warming (followed by the usual political pandering).
Actual we have several positions from Oba-romney on AGW.
All of them are contradictory.
Kind of like Mittens’ position on free choice for workers in Ohio
Kind of like Oba-ronmey care … he either will (or will not) work to repeal it and he either will (or will not) issues waivers to everyone (or everyone who asks or every state that sues or to no one).
Night and day.
freedom vs marxism
patriot vs globalist.
free market vs socialism
American values vs amorality
Anybody who even asks the question is either a fool or an Obama operative
marxism(R) vs marxism(D)
socialism(R) vs socialism(D)
Fixed that for you.
You are kidding, right ProReason? Romney is all that and I am a flying reindeer.
Romney is a political opportunist. He will say or do whatever it takes to keep his job. If it comes down to him or Obama, I will vote Romney. If Romney gets the nomination, once again, we will be faced with a choice between a douche and a shit sandwich.
join the crazy team, Southenboy.
Anyone who thinks Obama and Romney are the same thing is flat-out, no-hold-barred crazy.
Well suthenboy, i’ll take most of that back. If you can find it within yourself to vote for Romney, then you aren’t all bad.
But I still am amazed that people like you can be so hostile to Romney, who certainly doesn’t rise to the criminal status of most Democrat politicians, and doesn’t appear to be nearly as craven as many Republicans. It is possible, you know, that he has changed his mind about some things in his life, and I don’t get the feeling at all that he intends to cram big government down the public’s throat. He probably is a big gov kind of guy, but that is a lot different from jumping on a soapbox and preaching it as a religion.
But to recap, my first reaction to you was too harsh. Sorry.
No apology is necessary. Each time I have been involved in discussions about the GOP candidates emotions have gotten high. I think reasonable people are horrified by what they see Obama doing to our country and are somewhat desperate to see that abomination out of the oval office. We all may have differing opinions about the current crop of candidates, but only one opinion about the sitting president. In the end the majority of us are members of the ‘anybody but Obama’ club.
Yes, I will vote for Romney if I have to, but then I would vote for my dog over Obama. ( Actually my dog would be a great President )
Where exactly is the “sweet smell of victory” in electing someone who is basically Obama’s Mini-Me ?
Better than “four more years” ? Definitely ! The long slide to the edge of the abyss may slow down a bit.
But slowing down is the best outcome we can hope for. Likeliest is more of the same, dressed up with different rhetoric.
I like to think we can do better this time.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll vote R in the general even if nose-holding doesn’t work and I have to wear a respirator, but primaries are where we have this discussion and trying to short-circuit the process with articles like this serves no one, except power-seekers.
And, like wcgreen above, my money and time will go to people whose ideas I actually support.
Relax. Look at who is in the field after Romney and Cain. When these other candidates start dropping out who do you think their supporters and money will all go to. Romney has all the votes he’s likely to get as all the other candidates are way to his right.
“Where exactly is the “sweet smell of victory” in electing someone who is basically Obama’s Mini-Me ?
Better than “four more years” ? Definitely ! The long slide to the edge of the abyss may slow down a bit.
But slowing down is the best outcome we can hope for. Likeliest is more of the same, dressed up with different rhetoric.”
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Exactly! And the big question then becomes what happens in 2016? Let’s say Romney, who is just Obama-lite, just slows down the collapse a little but doesn’t actually change direction in any big way. That may not be enough to revive the economy and we could find ourselves in even deeper do-do financially as all the costs of all Obama’s entitlements become clear. The deficits and debt could make today’s numbers look like child’s play. So who would voters choose in 2016? Many might be persuaded that the sacrifices made under Romney weren’t worth it for the minor gains and decide to vote for Obama or someone like him in 2016 figuring that “at least Obama had the right ideas”.
Now THAT would be insane!
I would like to see the same poll used for the Republican Elite (RINO’s) with a choice of a true Conservative… ie: (Palin – Cain – Paul)..
I have the feeling that they would not choose #5
People are crazy- I will vote for ANYONE over Obama. A true conservative should be alarmed, horrified, and SICK over 4 more miserable years of Obama. Gripe about Romney all you want, delude yourself into thinking Obama=Romney and thus passively allow Obama to get re-elected, and welcome to a permanently damaged Supreme Court, decimated military, higher unemployment, and absolutely loss of MORE freedoms. You think things are bad now with Obama- how about when he doesn’t face an election that curbs his insane liberalism? even the ACLU is alarmed at Obama’s legal lying re: FOIA! I don’t understand any of you who want to bash ANY of the Republican candidates- pick your favorite and build him/her up, but why self-destruct to ensure someone like Romney is unelectable because CONSERVATIVES MADE HIM SO??? Did George Will have a stroke and thus brain damage? There is SO MUCH fodder in the Obama administration to blast that he wastes time blasting Romney? I’m about to give up on PJ media because people posting here are almost acting as insane as liberals act!
Well stated. People on our side need to wake up & appreciate the fact that despite a field of candidates that might not completely measure up to “standards,” I don’t see how anyone can argue, with credibility, the notion that Obama is a better choice than any of these Pubbie candidates. He simply is not. Bottom line, one supports the Pub candidate or one supports Obama.
But I cannot accept the premise of Myra’s post. This ‘resistance is futile’ approach to Romney doesn’t wash.
The polls always start with the premise of ‘if the election were today …’, but the election is never ‘today’. It’s a long time until the primaries, & I don’t see why we should shut up & accept Romney — now.
And I also can’t buy the idea that the ads of other candidates (it’s not just Perry, Myra) will give the Democrats ammunition against the ‘inevitable’ Romney. You seriously don’t think that they already have information they need, or that they are capable of digging up more, no matter who the Republican candidate turns out to be?
Let’s try this one more time — four years ago, Rudy Giuliani & Fred Thompson were leading in the polls, with McCain a distant fourth (tied with Romney), & Hillary was the shoo-in for the Democrat ticket.
Of course I will vote for the Republican over Obama, but it’s unreasonable to expect that we should just lay back & accept Romney now when there are other, better, candidates.
I’m not saying “just accept Romney” I’m saying lets not make ANY candidate unelectable, even Romney. I don’t see the point in tearing apart Perry, Bachman, Gingrich, Cain, Romney, etc. Absolutely they should compete for the nomination, but lets not damage the candidates- damage Obama. Tear him apart in the nominating process. For crying freakin’ out loud, these strange GOP debates have had huge ratings for all the networks carrying them- use these debates to freely destroy Obama. Make the argument and reasons to crush Obama. Destroy his record. Damage Obama. Tell the world what a schmuck Obama is. Explain what a complete failure Obama is. Compete for the votes by making the case how liberalism is lunacy! I think any Republican/Tea Party/Conservative/Independent will respond to the case of why Obama HAS GOT TO GO. NOW.
Here’s a suggestion…completely tune out the next 12 months and on election day, walk into the polls and pull the lever for the anonymous name with the dash-R after it and walk away. ‘Nuff said.
You are correct. It is really stupid to keep bashing Romney in the way that G Wills, Rush L and others are doing. He has the best chance to beat Obama. I like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, but I also understand most of the forty something percent that recieves taxpayer money would not vote for the guy that will cut off their monthly checks. Herman Cain seems like a nice guy, but I do not care for his 999 plan.
I am another of the nose-holders. I would certainly vote for Romney against Obama, as I would any household object or pet cat, but I doubt I could be admonished or cajoled into working the phone bank or knocking on doors for such a loser, next-in-line RINO.
If the elites insist on Romney’s nomination, they should be prepared to get him elected without the enthusiasm and participation of grassroots conservatives. And if that’s what does happen, the TEA Party may very well conclude that we made a huge mistake in allowing the Republican Party to jump on, and share, our bandwagon. We may have to revisit the notion of forming our own party after all.
Agreed.
The Republicans will quiet down and vote for Romney if they have to, but after the election, stand by for an even bigger push by the conservatives and Tea Party to rock the Republican Party and hold Romney’s feet to the fire. If Romney thinks that he will have to worry about the Democrats once he’s in office, that will be nothing compared to his own party.
We had to endure the same thing in 2008 with McCain. We don’t want to do this again.
While I don’t share your agreement with ‘Yael,’(if the Tea Party can electorally take over the Republican party, more power to it–but the 3rd party route is idiotic and would be disastrous for the conservative movement)but I do agree with the rest of your post. I’m not a Romney fan by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s our best chance at regaining the Executive, and that is what is crucially important. While it’s instinctive for conservatives to want to make the principled stand (we’re the ones that have principles, after all), we need to remember that not all Americans are with us on this, and if sticking to our principles guarantees electoral failure, then just how principled is it, really? We’re more likely to accomplish our goals by first regaining the Presidency.
And like you said, the Tea Party’s growing congressional presence will effectively hold a President Romney’s ‘feet to the fire.’ But we must keep the Republicans ascendant. Like the author Myra here, I worry that my consevrative brethren are not seeing the big picture here.
Did Myra find an article from 2008 and replaced Romney with McCain? Romney has zero coat tails so him being on the top of the ticket will have zero impact on Congressional races. The voters you describe who will vote fro Romney are the types of voters who would have no problem splitting their vote lower down the ballot. In terms of Supreme Court, I would say there are 3 to 1 odds Romney would nominate another Souter than a Roberts.
Exactly!
RINOism is like dementia. The most oblivious to the situation are the infected. The sickest of the political elite think of themselves as above such trivial considerations as liberal or conservative. These ‘simplifications’ are for the unwashed. Meanwhile the RINO will go about the business of growing government and utopia building as soon as they take office.
Romney is actually worse than a RINO. He is a lying progressive running as a Republican. A sheep in wolf’s clothing.
Romney will “play it safe” with Supreme Court nominations, just like he tries to play it safe in everything else.
Sure he can win.
But why should he?
You really need to ask such a question? No matter. I will be happy to answer it: So Obama does not get to “serve” a second term!!
Sigh, put me in with the “nose holders” if Romney wins the nomination. However, conservatives can push to have a strong conservative in the VP slot and elect conservatives to the House and Senate to also pull Romney rightward just as having to deal with Dems in Mass. clearly pulled him leftward.
Anyway, the real world realities are going to push any Romney presidency toward conservative positions, we cannot “kick the can down the road” much further.
Finally, a Romney presidency might consider some of Glenn Reynold’s special tax schemes aimmed at the self-righteous rich twits who support Obama and the Dems.
The important thing is to get Obama and every one of his radical slime out of power in Nov 2012!
“True, Romney has glaring past and present policy contradictions, not surprisingly some stemming from when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. But, a former Governor of Massachusetts can hardly be expected to have a history of traditional conservative social views as compared to the Republican Governor of Texas…”
If Romney felt any contradiction between his personal beliefs and winning an election in Massachusetts why didn’t he move to Utah where all his supporters rave about how he saved and cleaned up the Salt Lake City Olympics therefore he could of ran as a conservative, if he is one, and win easily say governor or senator? Hillary did not have any problems winning the Senate seat in NY even though she spent zero time in the state before deciding to run for office. The reason she ran in NY instead of her adopted state or Arkansas was she was a better fit for the liberal NY voters.
Yes. And Mittens is much sMitten by the Hahvuhd elites, of which he is one. If the Tea Party manages to accomplish but one thing, it should be to divorce our government and society from that nest of self-absorbed vipers. One does not actually have to be stupid and from Harvard, but it seems to help.
Let’s turn this against the establishment. Will the Romney supporters vote for Herman Cain if Cain is the nominee? If the answer is yes, then Cain easily wins. Plus, we don’t get an Obama-lite.
But that makes too much sense!
Good point. Why does it have to be one way? Conservatives have to accept Romney, but the establishment can’t accept Cain or Perry?
Exactly. I’m tired of voting for Rino’s. I haven’t voted for a Presidential candidate I liked in a general election since Reagan. I’d would like to vote without holding my nose for once.
Let the water-hearted moderates hold their nose this time.
Why does everyone seem to dismiss Gingrich? He’s clearly the smartest head in the room, also the most smear-campaign innoculated thanks to his early work, and he would absolutely slay O in any and all debate. This is the ONE, and nobody seems to get it….
exactly aztikal. actualy a Gingrich Cain or Cain Gingrich ticket would be ideal,
The GOP establishment counts on the base to “hold its nose” and vote for the latest RINO de-jour. That’s why we end up with candidates like Dole, GW Bush, and McCain.
I have held my nose for the last time.
If it’s Romney, I vote third party.
I am done being taken for granted by a bunch of elitists who think they know better than I do. They aren’t conservative, and they care more about their own power than the future of the country.
I guess they haven’t learned a thing over the past four years of Obama and Tea Party uprisings.
Exactly. I will not settle again, just because the other guy is so bad. This is how the political establishment gets us to accept the slow poison instead of the quick poison. Pick your poison. They still win. We will not get more, unless we demand more.
“I bargained with Life for a penny,
And Life would pay no more,
However I begged at evening,
When I counted my scanty store.
For Life is a just employer,
He gives you what you ask,
But once you have set the wages,
Why, you must bear the task.
I worked for a menial’s hire,
Only to learn, dismayed,
That any wage I had asked of Life,
Life would have willingly paid.”
- Unknown
Vote for Romney… and then count your scanty store, dumbasses.
Choose. Someone. Else.
then you might as well go ahead and vote for obama. because thats just what anyone who votes for a third party or anyone who decides to stay home is doing. voting for obama. you might as well just go ahead and register as a damned democrat and be done with it, regardless of who I want to head the republican ticket I will do as I did last time. hold my nose and vote for ANYONE but obummer,
“Think Big” should have us thinking about coat-tails. Romney has none. Anyone who thinks that Romney in the center-seat means a repeat of the 2010 Tea Party sweep is kidding himself. And this idea that he would “most likely” put a conservative in the Veep slot . . . sez who? I have no guarantee of that.
My primary vote is going to an actual conservative, not someone whose record is spotty at best, left-leaning at worst.
Based on his past history I would say Romney is, at best, unreliable on issues I care about.
Obviously the Republican establishent is only interested in a narrow range of issues and on some of the issues they care about their inclinations are directly contrary to the wishes of most voters who consider themselves Republicans(immigration comes to mind.) Romney would work just fine for them.
But in my opinion voting for a political party that doesn’t take your opinions and interests seriously is not only wasted effort it clearly falls within Einstein’s definition of insanity. The establishment clearly doesn’t feel it has to compromise with Republican voters, only with the Democrats. And why shouldn’t they feel that way?
Conservatives should have boycotted the last election. McCain would have been unsatisfactory if elected and had no real chance to be elected anyway. If he had lost by an additional 10% due to conservative resistance perhaps it would have been instructive to the establishment.
If conservatives are willing turn out based solely on party identification after an unsuitable trimmer like Romney is jammed down their throats they have only themselves to blaim when the party not so secretly holds them in contempt.
If Establishment Republicans can’t find a Republican that will play ball, they’ll just support a Democrat.
Romney’s Bain Capital, where he made his own money as opposed to his father’s, has given more than twice as much money to Obama as it has to Romney.
http://plbirnamwood.blogspot.com/2011/10/goldman-sachs-bain-capital-loves-obama.html
I would not vote for a Presidential Candidate if the Republicans nominate Romney. Then again, in Maryland Obamaville, it hardly matters.
I am not about to get over his support, for Romneycare, having checked out how its really working, and his staff supporting Healthcare Exchanges.
As a SS-Medicare recipient, I am not about to forgive Romney suggesting these Ponzi schemes can be papered over … in effect contributing to the robbery of the youth and the middle-aged forced to support me, seriously hampering their ability to provide for their own needs in retirement. Recent headline – Social Security Benefits Rising 3.6%; Workers Face Tax Hike Of Up To $2,341
As a user/driver/ratepayer of energy I don’t want to trust a true believer in ‘global warming, that may be caused by man and needs to be addressed’ not to continue to follow this Administration’s choke hold on the development of our own effective U.S.energy program! “My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us.” No! Just billions or maybe a trillion?
I’m not for a person whose take on his personal illegal alien hires is: October 19, 2011 – Romney: ‘I’m Running For Office For Pete’s Sake, I Can’t Have Illegals’ and who has knowingly “Twice – Approved Free Non-emergency Health Care for Illegal Immigrants” in Massachusetts.
I am not about to support a candidate who advises me he can work with the opposition (whose leaders are hard left progressive ideologues). Going along to get along is classic elite establishment Republican and naive.
In our Nation’s present state, let alone what it will be 14 months from now in 2013, we will need someone who has experience in Executive Leadership! We will need someone who has had the experience working with legislatures! We will need someone who has had experience reining in bureaucracies and has current experience with the Rogue Bureaucracies that today are most in need of reining in!’
Romney decidedly isn’t that person!
I would vote for Rick Perry were he the nominee.
He has a sterling record of successful governance. Whether it is solely his impact or his impact in concert with the legislature and the citizenry, Texas successes are indisputable. As compared to our Dear Leaders governance and impact on our Nation … there is a stark difference.
The Governor is well seasoned in successfully working with legislatures and bureaucracies. Of all the candidates, he is the most immediately familiar with our existing federal bureaucracies choke-holds that are imperiling our economy.
His jobs, energy and tax plans are the most promising for facilitating a recovery. His Social Security proposal finally, in concert with Ryan’s plan, will provide a measure of fairness for youth and middle-aged workers forced into contributing to this Ponzi scheme.
He recognizes the difference between a Romney “going along to get along with the opposition” to the very real likelihood irreconcilable failure for any “reasonable” compromise with the hard left radical progressives heading the opposition party at this time.
Given the dramatic difference between the Obama hard left “failure and collapse” economic directions and Governor Perry’s pro-growth, small government proposals … only a majority pigs at the trough dragged out to vote by the “ACORNs” and special interest groups of today … would result in a defeat. If Governor Perry in particular or any other Conservative candidate could be defeated, we will have to concede the United States is lost.
Romney is to the Republican Party, what Obama is to the Democrat Party;
A lackey for The Establishment.
With Romney, we may have gridlock in our Government for 4 or more years, but, that’s a helluva lot better than the dictatorship now running OUR Government.
I’ll vote for Perry or Gingrich in the primary, but I will strongly support whoever eventually wins the GOP nomination. We have come together and stop the bleeding in NOV 12.
That’s the fallacy Romney’s cheerleaders trying to sell us. He won’t stop the bleeding. At the end of the day, he’s just as liberal as Obama.
A non-vote, or a vote for a third-party centrist / libertarian is exactly what the communists are hoping for. I’ll still be crawling over broken glass to vote for Huntsman, or a dead cat if they get the GOP nomination.
AMEN JC I agree 150%,
Romney can win, but many of us would prefer someone more conservative. If we can’t get that, then control of Congress and Obama re-election, and subsequent impeachment and conviction, has almost as much appeal as a Romney Presidency.
I take it that your support for impeachment and conviction of Obama during a second term in office means that you’re OK with continuous major riots in the inner city as the process unfolds.
As if they aren’t about to anyway? Just look at the Occupy Wall Street organizers; they’re just looking for the provocation to start rioting. Remember how quickly the “public service” spot came out after the Oakland incident.
They want a Kent State “massacre”, just like Danny Deutsch said.
No way I will vote for Romney. He’s not a conservative. Period. If he’d been elected in ’08, we be saddled with a national version of Romneycare. What’s the difference between that and what we ended up with, except the name?
I’m not so very sure Romney can win, but, the bigger problem is: what does he do if he does win?
He’s been so far left on so many issues, that it’s very difficult to trust his more recent conservative talk.
He’s wrong on health care, wrong on global warming, wrong on immigration, and so much more.
I just don’t trust Romney.
So…after all the efforts of the Tea Party, ObamaCare townhalls, the 2010 mid-terms, now we should follow the prescriptions of Charlie Cook and Karl Rove and ‘return to center’ for the national elections. “You folks did a real good job, we’ll just take over from here”. In fact we did do a real good job, we attacked half of the crony capitalists and enemies of a vibrant economy. Now, there will be twice as much gravy for Republican subsidies. We did them a favor, good job, maybe they’ll throw us a bone. The Tea Party grabbed itself up in 2008 to do what needed to be done, Romney and the R’s that he represents had nothing to do with it, they watched while we did their work for them, all the while they opposed us as ‘extreme’. The election is still a year off, there is time to have this out and field a true conservative. This rodeo is just getting started.
Amen. Screw the establishment R’s – Romney first and foremost.
I will never vote for Romney. The difference between Romney as President and Obama as President with a GOP House is marginal. The GOP, my former party, needs to stop nominating people that hold the same positions as Democrats and favor big government. The mere fact that Democrats in the media appear to find Romney acceptable should be setting off alarm bells. I suspect in 30 years, pundits will point to the Bush, McCain, Romney nominations as the beginning of the end for the GOP. Oh well, if Romney is the GOP nominee, at least I won’t be disappointed when he loses.
If Governor Romney is the Republican candidate, I will hold my nose and vote for him.
One thing apparently little considered is that if we get Republican control of both the House and Senate as well as of the White House, President Romney will have constraints President Obama has not had. Since congressional campaigns begin almost immediately after elections, there will probably be pressure on new Republican House members and incumbent senators up for reelection in 2014 to cause President Romney to shift to the right.
Among the reasons I favor the nomination of Mr. Cain is that I question whether presidential candidate Romney would have as substantial a “coat tail” effect on the congressional races as would Mr. Cain, whose grass roots support seems broader and more enthusiastic than Governor Romney’s.
I like Romney because he’s able to see both sides of every issue. Mainly because he’s been on both sides of every issue.
LOL thats what I have been saying to people.
its so true its eerie.
One of Estes Kefauver’s former administrative assistants was fond of repeating two quotes he attributed to the Senator. “I can’t agree with that too much” and “I feel very strongly on both sides of that issue.” Perhaps Governor Romney could try emulating Senator Kefauver. That way, he could please all sides simultaneously, at least for a while.
The only way to get true conservatives into office in a two party system is to stop voting for those that aren’t. I have held my nose and voted for too many “compassionate” Republicans who make the same mistakes of the statists, and the public then thinks that is the result of conservative policy.
If Romney or any other socialist gets the Republican nomination, I will proudly vote for a conservative / libertarian candidate and will browbeat everyone I know to do the same. It is more important to get the nation on the right road eventually, than to go slower down the wrong road.
Meant to say “I will proudly vote for a conservative / libertarian 3rd party candidate”
You do that. You’ll be counted among those who help slick Obama’s way back into the WH for another 4-year round. Pat yourself on the back.
If Obama wins reelection, that might be the end of elections. We just can’t afford to let him win again. There is no longer an option of losing to the democrats and waiting to pick up the pieces.
Myra, you are spot on about this but it will fall on deaf ears of the legions of Romney haters at PJ Media.
It doesn’t take more than a moment’s thought to realize that Romney is the most electable. He has been vetted and he is highly likely to be the cleanest candidate, he isn’t considered extreme, he has private sector executive experience, he has public sector executive experience, he is tied with Newt as the best debator, he looks and acts presidential, he has by far the most financial support, he knows how to handle the media, he has the most organized campaign by far, the polls back all of that up.
It isn’t even close. Ron Paul’s figures are simply wrong. People don’t know him…but they do know Romney.
Newt is the second most electable, but is far behind Romney in every category other than debate skills and ability to handle the press. And the white hot hatred that the msm has for Newt might be able to cancel those estimable skills.
The talk show guys are dead wrong, dangerously wrong. The presidential race is NOT going to be a landslide. A conservative bunny rabbit is not going to be able to beat billions of dollars in negative advertising, and the greatest lieing machine in the history of mankind. We have to have the absolutely best candidate.
Moreover, rigid conservatism is hardly a requirment. Congress is going to be overwhelmingly conservative. They will do the hard slogging of reversing the marxist crimes of the prior 4 years. When he wins, Romney’s main focus will be on getting elected a second time. He will be reading the tea leaves 24x7x365, and since he is good at that, he will be doing exactly what conservative America wants him to do….which is to back up what Congress does to repeal marxism. The biggest danger with Romney is the exact danger any other conservative would face in the white house. If things go wrong, and many will, any of them are likely to wander off the reservation. Bachman is probably the only one who would stick to her principles, and she ain’t gonna win.
As a libertarian I’d hold my nose and vote for “rigid conservatism” as I have done before. But it is a rhetorical slight of hand for you to suggest being anti-Romney is a question of rigidity. Romney isn’t even in the ballpark for conservatives. Nor is he conservative on any of the issues of common ground for conservatives and libertarians. Voting for Romney would require a moral code of such flexibility as to be meaningless; unless you’re a liberal who would just like to try new management once again, in which case Romney is your guy.
I would say that it is a rhetorical sleight of hand to say the Romney is a liberal. He quite obviously is not.
btw, I currently support Newt, not Romney, but will vote for whoever is the Republican candidate.
The only thing I would hold my nose about is having to see a marxist on the same ballot.
“…will vote for whoever is the Republican candidate.”
That’s the spirit! Spread it around……
Getting tired of trying to tell people that Romney is a better choice than Obama. I don’t know what exactly is so elusive about that.
On a different note, it should be noted that true conservatives, in the current political climate, are not likely to garner enough Indie support to make it into the WH. Do research on where most of the American people stand on the social issues & it becomes pretty clear just why those on the far right have trouble getting traction. Ours is a center-right country. It’s no small wonder at all to me that it’s the moderates on our side who, generally speaking, are the most electable. Gotta have that Indy support; not gonna make it without them.
Many people saying they won’t vote for Romney if he is nominated are Obama Soros (no difference between those two) operatives.
Not all, since their are some regulars at pjm who say the same thing, but somewhat more than half who say it are posters who pop in for a post or two…and that often seems to be the only thing that interests them. Paid operatives. Sowing doubt.
A high percentage of trolls at this site use common first names, Joseph, Joe, Al, Sam, Mary, etc. I guess it’s easier to earn your $2 per post if you don’t waste time trying to make up a creative tag name. Most of them also confine their comments to a sentence, rarely even two sentences. They follow the rules vigorously, rarely provide a link (too time consuming), and they don’t attack, just make an undermining comment and go away. Watch for it. It’s a regular pattern here.
As a regular PJM reader who often posts -and who has rabidly been attacked for supporting Mitt – I don’t think it is genuinely a Troll problem. Sure there are the lurking types paid and unpaid. But this is a genuine grief fest more about the importance of defeating Obama coupled with negatives Mitt brings – fair or unfair.
But if you want to be president that comes with the territory – I mean we can elect an affirmative action dolt without enough experience to run the the south ward in Chicago – thankfully – only once.
Nor am I that shocked by the high percentage Myra Adams gleened from her poll.
It’s indicative of where we are in a very open nominating process. And how weakening strong party influence in that nomininating process in favor of truely electing a representitive has encouraged folks like Gary Johnson all the way to Michelle Bachman to jump in.
I love Bachman – but there is a reason no president has been elected from the House of Representitives since before the Civil War – and it has nothing to do with George Soro’s or the MSM.
But that said, it’s equally understandable she would run – and it benefits us all around(unlike Gary or Buddy); it strengthens her position as ipso facto Tea Party Caucus leader; a first run is usually the necessary precursor to the winning run WHEN THE CANDIDATE DOES HAVE THE EXPERIENCE REQUIRED TO LEAD THE COUNTRY & THUS WIN;and she is special, if for no other reason than the looney left is absolutely demented in their fear and loathing of her.
That doesn’t mean she is ready to become America’s Iron Lady. Nor does it mean she hasn’t – beyond any of the other candidates CAIN INCLUDED – really elevated the discussion. A dynamic Woman conservative who has already put her stamp on this congress through fund raising and elbowing her way to the chairman table?
Tell me – did Nancy Pelosi get the kind of press Bachman gets? Well view their congressional records – there is more in common regarding a path to understanding political power and how to wield it than there is with Ron Reagan – and I only mean that in the practical ‘path taken’sense.
No one strikes more fear in the hearts of liberals than Michelle Bachman. And for good reason. She’s smart, talented, driven, immentately practical, capable AND YOUNG.
Romney has always suffered from the conservative version of Adli Stevensons disease – viewed from the left as thus the perferable target because so many on the right have decided he’s both inauthentic and untrustworthy – the Big Mitt has been on the defensive since day one in this cycle.
I long since stopped fighting the torrent of complaints. Which is why I’m in total agreement with Myra Adams on this post.
I view Romneys prospects as anything but inevitable. I think his path – which I believe he will win – is very similar to Nixon in ’68. The Big Mitt – despite what his haters say – has done everything right since properly demurring to the villiage idiot McCain in ’08.
Everybody wrote Nixon off after he lost that Gov Race following his defeat by JFK. But those were different pre-Watergate (DUH!) primary times. Nixon, as a well paid New York lawyer, had the oppertunity to win friends by staying active behind the scenes. By supporting candidates regionally – using his contacts to aid their rise – he kept his political career on life support.
That is how he re-emerged – kept a national base to re-enter the ring. Mitt only gets credit for Scott Brown in Mass when in fact nobody has the ground troops and support that the Big Mitt does nationally – and – despite the perception that the money raising is a horse race – he’s super rich himself and he’s clearly getting respectable $$$ from big donors.
{all of which his haters particularly hate – they know this idicates the ‘players’ still are on board}
He has exactly the right experience for the ecomomic crises we are suffering – the opposite of a committed ideologue like Obama. He knows what needs getting done to revive American Capitalism and who to bring to washington to get it done.
And in the general election ALL OF HIS WORST NEGATIVES BECOME POSITIVES – TO INDEPENDENTS UNDECIDED! That is a prescription to victory.
Democrats for Humphrey believed pretty much the same thing about Nixon that Obama supporters believe about Romney. That despite dismal results, a country in chaos, and no real message to sove it, they can still eek out a win because the flawed opponent will fracture the vote – thus they can prevail in a ‘rat vs weasle’ contest – with the rat staying in power.
(and yes – such strategies HAVE WORKED for re-election)
Personally I believe Romney will destroy Obama head on (from the debates on down)- and will win by a surprisingly comfortable margin. Indiana, N. Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Virgina, all those states that Acorn-like minions helped Obama carry to the shock of everyone? That won’t work this time.
Anymore than trying to scam college students that Obama has ‘gone to the mat for them’ & with this accounting boloney will cancel out the misery index most of them are suffering NOW THAT THEY HAVE GRADUATED!
Obama is no were near as secure as Jimmy Carter looked a year+ away from election. In fact, 1968 is an apt example for just that reason; his prospects better resemble LBJ at this time in his bid for re-election!
If Obama wasn’t such an egomaniac – and he believed in what he said just a scant year ago – namely that if his economic package did not work he would ‘gladly’ trade passing Heath Care for being a one term president – then he would have done exactly what LBJ did – both for the good of the country and the good of his own party as well as his own wife and kids (they got to see the world quite a bit – so wouldn’t it be better for them to enjoy some semblance of normalcy?).
It remains to be seen if conservatives will hand him a hollow victory by self destructing themselves.
If that does happen – it won’t be because Mitt Romney self-destructed. Conventionally – he has done all the right things – walking the tightrope to avoid alienating tea partiers to the point of no possiblity of support – among many other problems his running uniquely presents.
To supportors like myself – he not only can win – he should win handily. But right now – in heat of a contested primary season – that hardly seems probable.
Well, Nixon hardly looked possible either. But by Miami in august of that year he literally had the nomination in the bag.
Likewise – Cain lovers and Perry’s hail mary prayer crew had better get a load out ….time is rapidly running out.
Of course I hope Mitt wins it all. But as odd or unbelievable as it may sound – I really believe this is the best campaign primary wise we have had in my lifetime – and we will come out of it all the strongest we have been as a party since Reagan in ’84.
Why?
Because the current administration is really that bad, and the times we live in are really that desperate. Now, unlike 1968, we have faux ‘protests’ by a band of twats. That certainly is perferable to the violence that was tearing the country apart – just as the mess in Afganistan is certainly less costly than was Vietnam. Occupy Phoenix and a hundred likewise carnival acts are a lot easier to deal with than the race & anti-war riots that contined long after Chicago ’68.
Thankfully we havn’t needed such violence beyond the economic chaos to concentrate our survival skills.
Thanks for an excellent post Myra Adams.
Phoenix, I continue to believe there are more trolls pushing division among conservative ranks than we will ever know.
My view is that the worst candidate is nearly infinitely better than Obama, who I believe is deliberately trying to destroy the country.
Since Romney is a smart, organized, driven, ambitious, funded guy, he’s high on my list for that reason alone. I agree with the occasional posters who point out that the more conservative candidates are less likely to win the election. It’s so obvious, it hardly needs to be pointed out.
So the issue comes down to whether a person wants a perfect candidate or wants to win.
For me, winning is the easy choice. (but I think Newt can win as well, so I’m for him at the moment. If he doesn’t pick up steam, I’ll move to Romney’s camp)
I never thought I’d have to call BS on you, Pro, but I’m there right now. The RINO wing of the party has been trying to sell us the bag of soiled goods called Romney for years now. He can never get above roughly 20%.
Most of the 80% just don’t want him. He is basically a man without the beliefs we want. WE DON’T WANT HIM. How do we know? We know by his actions while in power and by his flip/flops. It is not that he is a favorite of the Dems,which he is, it is what he does and says. Why the hell do you want us to give in at this stage of the game to the RINOs? Why? Tell me why.
You want to look for trolls on this issue? Look for those who come here to tell us only Romney can win. I say BS. They are the trolls…the trolls for RINOland.
It’s two things, Fred, and I’ve been talking about these for a long time, so you shouldn’t be shocked:
1. Ideological purity without winning is useless.
2. We invest too many hopes in the president. Obama would have been a minor irritant without a libwit Congress. Romney will go along with what the conservative congress does. There is no question about it.
Obviously, I don’t let the talk radio guys do my thinking for me. I generally love em, but also fully recognize that they have a vested interest in keeping Obama in office. By vested interest, I mean tens of millions of dollars each. Some of them actually supported Romney in ’08. But of course, at that time, they had a better guy to lower the boom on, McCain. They also had plenty of more conservative candidates to support in ’08, but they just weren’t as radio-friendly as Cain, were they? So much for their ideological purity.
It’s not even close between Romney and anybody else except Newt. All the others will lose in a landslide. Particularly Cain, who will be reduced to a caricature within a matter of days. Oh, he’ll have an enthusiastic 25% to 30%, that’s for sure. He’ll be lucky to get 10% more than that.
You make a compelling case, but I would still have to hold my nose.
It would be nice, as some of the other posters have suggested, that this time around the RINOs have to hold their noses.
‘ “. . . right wing radical” or “out of touch with main stream America” monikers Obama would use to the fullest extent if any of the viable candidates.’
As opposed to Obama being a left-wing radical and out of touch with main stream America? We’ve got his statements and policies to prove it. He’s gonna have to face America — without the teleprompter — at the national debates and do some serious ‘splainin.’
Romney is steadily strong just because the Anyone but Romney (ABR) is divided between lots of contenders (Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich). I think the ABR people should take decisions, as well as the candidates, and coalesce around 1 or 2 ABR candidates. I think, the Cain/Newt debate can help in this.
I know nobody wants to lose and everyone is “in it to win it”, but that’s unrealistic too. In any case, let’s the fight go on, but coalesce so early around Romney is just foolishness. Nose-holding and voting for Romney is ok, ONLY when the primary is finished and there is no more option. But now, we can still fight.
“…the Anyone but Romney (ABR) is divided between lots of contenders (Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich)”
Here’s my contention with this theory of yours. I would say that Perry is taking votes from Romney, not from the ABR category. Perry is just like Romney – an empty suit with a bunch of focus-group tested opinions trying to play a role that he thinks people will vote for. Nobody who cares about substance or policy is supporting Perry. The reason he attracted a lot of attention and money at first is because wealthy donors saw him as a polished guy with a good haircut and expensive suit who didn’t have the unpredictability of a Sarah Palin and who the base didn’t hate like they hate Romney. It took only about five minutes to figure out that Perry has no principles other than ‘whatever gets Rick Perry elected’.
If Perry drops out, Romney will pick up his voters. Fortunately, they can probably all fit in Romney’s campaign bus with room for Huntsman’s supporters, too, so that shouldn’t sway the nomination.
I think we are really just waiting to see if the eventual nominee is going to be Herman Cain or Newt Gingrich, but who knows, maybe it’ll be Santorum’s turn to peak next.
I can’t believe this column didn’t show up on NRO – the official Romney cheerleading squad.
I can’t believe this column didn’t show up on NRO – the official Romney fan club.
Sorry about the double post. I hit it twice….
That’s okay, it needs to be said twice. I’m tired of having Romney being thrust upon us. I don’t buy the premise that only Romney can beat Obama; in fact, I think that’s why the Dems want him to be the GOP candidate because they know they can beat him. Please keep these Romneyites at the NRO.
This is what the 58th time Myra has basically posted the same article. Basically mommy telling the kids to eat their spinach because she knows what is best.
I would do a write in before voting for romney.
I never have nor never will squelch my integrity to satisfy others.
others can do as they please, but I will sleep at night knowing I don’t play the lesser of two evil games the author wants.
I’ll do the same. Myra’s self-conducted poll doesn’t hold much water for me. Many of us are done with playing this “hold your nose” game. We will vote our principles.
you may enjoy this article by L Marcus.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/fearful_intellectual_conservative_syndrome.html
Think bigger — like taking over a party and maybe, someday securing something approximating freedom for our grand children (we and our kids are probably doomed already). We can’t get anywhere with two out of two parties dominated by liberals quibbling only about fine details of how government should control our lives. Romney will NOT get my vote. Neither will Obama in all probability (tempted though I will be if put to the test). But Romney will NOT get a vote from me. Of that you can be sure.
Romney’s not my favorite candidate, but push come to shove, I’ll be one of the nose-holders, because we should all be thinking “Anybody But Obama”.
No question he can win. The Democrat vote. When democrat voters figure out that Romney is no threat to them, it’s over for Obama. Oh joy. Remove the hemorrhoid, keep the cancer, Part 1V. Sign me up!
G. K. Chesterton, call your office.
Number 4.
Romney is at the second lowest rung on my list of considered options.
He is not nearly conservative enough for me and “Holding my nose” is not going to happen.
Get off your Romney kick Myra. No amount of “THINK BIG” comments are going to make him any more attractive than an actual conservative.
Romney CAN Win!
Yippy Skippy!
Then What?
Mitt “That’s the House, I’m running for the Senate” Romney will be very adept at managing a Liberal Mess Better than a Democrat. And that’s about it.
First of all, This is the Primary – I absolutly REFUSE to continue this discussion about Romney and what I’ll do in the General while I still have a Choice of someone ELSE for the Republican Nomination. PERIOD.
Now then, we once again have an article followed by comments which exhibits that there are two kinds of Republicans.
1) Republicans who want to elect Republicans for the Sole Purpose of Electing Republicans.
2) Republicans who want to elect Repulbicans in order to Accomplish Something.
Type 1 Republicans brought us Jeffords, Spectre, McCain, Dole Etc. Etc.
Type 2 Republicans brought us Ronald Reagan.
We don’t need to elect another Republican who is going to view winning as being given ‘His Turn’ to control the money. We need someone who is going to change direction.
The last time we had a Republican President with a progressive agenda and a Republican House and Senate we ended up with a damaged brand and the elections of 2006 and 2008.
Just because He Can Win, is NO REASON to nominate Romney!
And what he will do after he wins is Very Good Reason NOT to Nominate Romney!
Great points. I would only emphasize that John McCain and Bob Dole also LOST, even though they were considered the more “electable” because they were moderates. So forcing Romney down our throats might not even create a “Republican win”. And it could lead to a third party because voters are already angry with the Republican party for all the liberal policies adopted during the last Bush administration.
On the other hand, if the party establishment backs off and allows all candidates an even shot, and Romney is actually chosen by the primary voters as the best candidate, I think people will get behind him. So far, it looks to me like Romney is having a hard time closing the deal and the voters are searching for an alternative.
I also remember that George H.W. Bush or John Anderson were the ‘Electable’ candidates in 1979. There was certainly NO WAY that the *John Bircher* Ronald Reagan could ever win a General Election.
Too many people are focused on the wrong question. Who can beat Obama isn’t all that important. Almost any candidate should be able to beat him, given the appalling record of his administration.
The real question is, who actually has the political experience and skills, determination, drive and iron will needed to finally put a stop to 100 years of expansion of the size and power of the federal government?
Does that sound like Mitt Romney to you? A vote for Romney is a vote for the status quo, a vote for business as usual, for another go-along-to-get-along progressive politician who will do little to rock the establishment boat.
No, not really. I don’t think he has the will.
If you look carefully at Romney’s views and positions over the years you will see a person with the basic mindset of a liberal. He is also very attuned and sensitive to the media. If elected, he will govern as a liberal — following his basic instincts which will be reinforced by the leftist media. Conservatives will be marginalized. .
Better to have a liberal Obama in office balanced by a strong GOP congress than have a liberal Romney dancing to the tune of the media, with Congress on the sidelines..
I don’t know if I can actually bring myself to vote for Obama, but analysis tells me that is the smart thing to do if Romney is the alternative. Certainly, there is NO set of conditions I can envision which would persuade me to actually cast a vote for Romney.
1. Willard “Mitt” Romney is a Northeastern Limousine Liberal Democrat masquerading as a Republican for purely political purposes.
2. He is a blow-dried, manicured, Gucci heeled Ivy League educated phony with no particular association to the truth about, other than what Mitt figures best serves Mitt.
3. If he is nominated, for the first time since I cast my first Presidential vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980, I SHALL NOT VOTE for President. I will vote to replace my dreadful Democrat Congressman, and elect a solid Conservative senator. I will not push the button for Romney because I will never, ever vote for a Democrat.
4. Why don’t the brain dead, spineless suck ups to the Elites do us all a favor and either drink a few pots of real caffeinated coffee? (No, Conservatives don’t drink non-fat soy sugar-free lattes) Go out to the countryside and breath some air that is unlaced with bus exhaust and pigeon droppings. Then realize that the Dems are desperate for the GOP to nominate a slow moving compromised target like the Mitt-ster. He is an MSM/Democrat AgitProp mill dream boat candidate. With the added benefit to them, that if he wins, he’ll be three times as gunshy. He’ll be gravy to intimidate, and will be unlikely to work to do much of anything to repeal Socialized medicine, or cut the budget.
The time has come to take a stand. Just say NO to Romney.
r/John – TMF
I’d rather say NO to Obama. If it takes “pulling the lever” for Romney, so be it.
Romney/Cain.
Get real so we can get even.
Your whole article is drivel. Romney will go down in history along with a long line of “moderate” or “RINO” candidates like Ford, Dole, and McLame. After they run ads saying how Obummer used Romney’s advisors to design Obamacare and Romney’s flipfloping, he will be burnt toast.
Ford, Dole, Bush I, McCain, all nose holders, all losers!
Mitt Romney is the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama.
Why are we stupid enough to even consider nominating him?
“And that is very good news for Romney but better news for the Republican Party”
I guess that would depend on the damage he does in office. I suspect Romney would be as good for the GOP as Nixon or maybe Bush one and two. Bad policy could put the final nail in the republican coffin.
I have no doubt that Romney would make deals on Global warming or worse to get laws past. This time it wont be something stupid like a light bulb ban.
Romney a RINO that will tear the the republic in pieces.
The American dream team: Ron Paul for President
Chris Christie for veep
Andrew Napolitano for Justice
Michelle Bachmann for Treasury
Sarah Palin for Health
Hilarious, but I’ll play, too. I want:
President: Cain
VP: Jindal
Sec.State: Bolton
Sec.Treasury: Palin
Sec.Education: Christie
Sec.Interior: Nugent
Sec.HomelandSecurity: Arpaio
I like looking at myself in the mirror. Can’t do that if I vote for Romney.
I know Massachusetts housewives who choose insurance for their husband- he works- their children- they love their children- and then have to decide- healthcare for me, or food? They didn’t have to ask that question before RomneyCare. Personally, I’m thrilled that our state AG ( that would be Texas, Perry Texas) is vigorously suing the pants off the over-reaching federal gov’t, to roll back ObamaCare.
As I have said for some time now, if mitts is the choice, I’ll vote for 0blameo and we can just get it over with and perhaps rebuild from the ashes sooner rather than later.
Romney may be faaaaaaaaaar from my ideal of a candidate, but there is still enough difference between him and Obama for me (and I hope all conservatives) to know that we cannot afford to let Obama win a second term. There will be Supreme Court appointments. There will continue to be a world out of control, even more so because of Obama’s policies of sympathizing with the enemy. We may want to be able to set a new course for America. But we may find outselves being able to do less, that is, stopping this trainwreck that is Obama. There is meaning in stopping that train. A lot of meaning. And I hope that those who are thining of staying home on election day if Romney is the GOP candidate will see it. This election may come down to something as basic as having a President in the WH who loves his country. And we build from there. No joke.
I am a full member of the anybody but Obama group. So I would hold my nose and vote for Romney.
I would not have the feeling that Romney would be much, if any, better than Obama.
It seems that anytime someone rises up to challenge the “Eastern Establishment” the press destroys them if they can. But they fail to go after the favorites. Romney and Obama are the “favorites” this year. There is a reason for that, I suspect.
So I will be a part of the “anybody but Romney” group in the primaries. Hope one of those other folks will step up.
*Sigh* The American people need a person who is capable of actually doing what is necessary to fix things. That isn’t Romney.
As I point out to everyone who questions my Romney aversion, here is my impression of Romney as a politician: If Romney wanted a ham sandwich for lunch and his opponent wanted him to eat crap he would settle for a ham and crap sandwich.
As such, he simply doesn’t have it in him to do the job.
I’m starting to feel like Joe’s boss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AYUB3tQs80
I misposted previously, as a response to someone I wasn’t responding to.
Here is correction:
My rebuttal:
http://jlancecombs.blogspot.com/
Romney may be able to win, but he’s not the only one who can beat Obama. I’m pretty tired of having the media and establishment Republicans feed me a s**t sandwich with the excuse that at least it’s not a Democrat s**t sandwich. I fear that Romney would just be Obama lite; what we need is someone who will reduce government, repeal laws, deregulate, and generally clean house, not just slow the rate of creeping totalitarianism.
Romneycare. ‘Nuff said.
As a secular/economic conservative my main reservations are pragmatic. The problem here is that most people (political junkies excluded) do not pay close attention to this process until three months before the election. Then, they will say, “Mormonism, what is that?” Today anyone can go to reference materials and find out what they will find out in August 2012. I recommend that everyone do this now because next year, if Mr Romney is our candidate, we will be forced to defend him. One good place to begin is to look at the Wikipedia page on The Book of Abraham, particularly it’s provenance. The Book of Abraham is a core piece of Mormon theology, part of the ‘Pearl of Great Value’. Or, again at Wikipedia, the page on Joseph Smith Jr., especially interesting is the use of the Urim and Thummim. These are just a glimpse of the panoply of oddities to be found that will be used by the Dems (Christopher Hitchens has already begun) to drive a wedge between the Religious Right and the Establishment R’s, and it will work. The hardest thing now for the Dems is to keep quiet and let us nominate Mitt. If you think they won’t use it, consider the case of Sarah Palin. As I said, my reservations are pragmatic, before you dismiss me as a bigot, have a look and consider…how many people you hear saying they would never vote for him right now, and how a fuller exposition of Mormonism would affect the race. Time for the ‘gimlet eye’.
Not just NO, but HELL NO. The assumption that a liberal with an “r” after his name is somehow better than a liberal with a “d” after his name is ludicrous. An Obama grid locked by a more conservative Congress is far better than a Romney with luke warm support from that same Congress.
Come on folks, if you keep rewarding the “we’re not quiet as bad” crap from the GOP it will NEVER get any better. Slowing the slide into socialism is way too little, way too late, and that’s all the GOP’s given us since Regan.
NO, I will absolutely NOT vote for Romney. And anyone who tells the establishment GOP they will “hold their nose” completely undermines the progress the TEA movement is trying to make.
It’s absoutely absurd to surrender to the inevitability of another NE, Establishment blessed, Socialist Healthcare, Gee I love MA’s gun control laws, liberal while we have much better options open to us.
Let us approach the issue from a different direction:
If zero wins in 2012 – will we even have elections in 2016?
I am not so sure about that.
therefore, to me, it has to be “whoever is the surviving Republican in November 2012″.
Choice 5.
Pass the Glade, please.
Interesting observation…..
This is an article about Mitt Romney and the readers/posters here are presumably all conservatives.
I did not read all of the posts but I counted at least four times that the term ‘shit sandwich’ or it’s equivalent appeared.
“As a secular/economic conservative my main reservations are pragmatic…” Methinks Gallifet doth protest too much. Your real name doesn’t end with the letters H-U-C-K-A-B-E-E does it?
Actually, Gaston Alexandre August, Marquis de Gallifet.
You left something out. Not vote for Romney or Obama and vote for all the conservatives on the down-line ticket which would be my option. Sorry, but I have no intention of adding any more calluses to my nose from holding it to vote for a liberal republican again again.
I only skimmed the comments so if somebody already said this please accept my apologies.
Back in 2008 when John McCain was leading the GOP pack he received a lot of flack from conservatives for being a RINO.
Everyone remembers that, but the thing I remember is Ann Coulter who declared that if John McCain was the Republican nominee he was going to cast a write-in vote for Hillary Clinton. Somebody someday should ask him who he ended up voting for.
My point is that during the primary season many people make many declarations. But on election day they tend to go and vote for the party. I’m sure that Ann voted for McCain. If anyone ever asks him about it, Ann will probably say that he only voted for McCain because of Sarah Palin.
If Romney is smart he’ll have an actual conservative as his running mate so that those of you who have declared they will never vote Romney will end up voting for him anyway.
I am not a Romney supporter, but he won’t split the party and all the loyal Republicans will vote for him no matter what positions he takes and/or changes before election day.
You refer to Ann Coulter as he? Did I read that right?
So I am not the only one who has noticed the deep voice and the adam’s apple………
Yeah, I fell for that last time. Little did I know that that basta@@’s own campaign would try to destroy her. I won’t fall for that this time around. If it’s Romney, I’m out. Period
BUT….will Romney’s supporters hold their noses and vote for Perry? (or Cain, Paul, Bachmann, etc.)
Duh, of course I’ll vote for Romney over Obama if that’s my choice. I’d never vote for a third party candidate, I assume the libertarians will run someone. Its even possible that Romney could make a half way decent president, but right now I’m all for fighting for a true conservative that stirs passion and is willing to truthfully defend American values.
Well, for conservatives the mission is clear: MAKE SURE ROMNEY DOESN’T GET THE GOP NOMINATION!
I’m from California and I voted for Arnold instead of Tom McClintock because he was more “electable.” Arnold was the worst governor we ever had.
As a conservative, I’m sick of holding my nose when I vote. Never again.
If Romney is the candidate, I will vote for him.
Hopefully all these anti-Mittens postings will help the Republican wanna-be strategists understand the contempt that limited-government conservatives increasingly feel for establishment candidates.
Deja Vu in a big way here
Everybody chill already
This issue has been hashed and re-hashed
Give some time for the Nov debates and ……
Most importantly see how Mr. Cain weathers
And President Obama withers, as he has no plan
We’ll be fine, fine, fine
A big stinking pile of Ambition, who’s only principle is what ever will get him elected. I will NOT be voting for Mitt (Obamneycare) Romney.
Its time for Mittens to realize that the BEST that he has EVERY received is 25% of the Republican polls.
Granted that it is a solid 20% – 25% (indicating that his supporters are loyal “obaromney-bots”). But he can’t break beyond his Rino / Establishment base
Poll after poll shows that 70% – 80% of the party does not want anything to do to the man who couldn’t even beat out John McCain.
Mittens needs to withdraw for the good of the party.
His supporters need to “hold their nose and pull the lever for” a conservative.
I mean, that whole “party unity” thing is paramount. (At least that is what the Rino / Establishment feather of the party said for Bush 1, Dole, Bush 2, McCain)
Amen! Romney is possibly my last choice among the current slate, but anything is better than Sock Puppet unloosed on a second term. And I will support Romney enthusiastically (on the outside at least!) if he is the candidate.
Rule 1) ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat.
Rule 2) A dead possum would be better than Sock Puppet
Rule 3) If in doubt, see Rule 1.
>Rule 1) ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat.
False
>Rule 2) A dead possum would be better than Sock Puppet
…or, for that matter, Romney.
>Rule 3) If in doubt, see Rule 1.
See comment on Rule 1.
Ms Adams, your reasoning is nonsense. The non-Romney Republicans should accept certain defeat by getting a choice between Mitt Romney and President Obama, and forego taking a chance on someone we like who might lose to President Obama. We got John McCain – who also changed some of his policy positions to win the nomination – in 2008, and how did that work out? You may be vote for Romney in 2012, but if the Mittster or Jon Huntsman get the nomination, I for one am voting for some 3d party, probably the Libertarians.
I really resent the Republican “establishment” telling me I had to vote for John McLame (who I couldn’t stand), who ran the wimpiest campaign I have ever seen, virtually handing the presidency to Obama and then telling me I have to vote for Smarmy Romney. Wimpy, smarmy Republicans always lose. I want someone with some substance.
Romney is a conservative Governor from a very liberal state. Perhaps he does not triagulate as well as Clinton, but he is trying. First thing he will do is repeal Obamacare. Then he will close corporate loopholes and lower corporate tax to 25%. He will increase domestic drilling, repeal authority of EPA over CO2 gases, strengthen the border and repatriate corporate profits from abroad. He will greatly improve this country. Anything but Obama = why we need Romney.
You must have just started paying attention a couple of days ago. On EVERY SINGLE ONE of the issues you just mentioned, Romney has taken the leftist position before he was dragged kicking and screaming to the right. He’s only paying lip service to conservatives because he feels he has to. Don’t trust him.
Well, after reading this entire discussion I think the assumption that Romney can win may be a serious error. It’s becoming obvious to me he will not carry a significant number of conservatives nor garner Tea Party support. If anything, he looks to be a weaker candidate for the general election than John McCain was.
Nope – won’t do it and nothing not even Obama will make me vote for Romney. I held my nose the last election but swore never again. It will be sickening that Obama will have a voice again in our Supreme Court Justices but the Republican party should come to an end if they select Romney as their candidate. I will be voting for a third party OR I will write in my own candidate…no matter what the consequences. The Republican party must pay for their transgressions against the voters.
I hate to say this, in 2008 I stayed home. I just could not pull the lever for McCain. Worse yet I think I made the right choice. McCain could not have worked with the congress. He would have made deals with the devil and the economy would be likely bad. It would have buried the GOP for a generation.
I will likely vote if Romney wins, but I may skip the POTUS vote. Romney is capable of doing massive damage to the right. Given the choice I would rather Obama destroy the left further, than Romney destroy the GOP.
our problems are structural, and no one president can stop the coming collapse. Romney would not decrease the debt or lower taxes enough to even slow down the impending doom. However I would regret my choice if the dollar collapses under Obama. But in the end I cant support someone who has no principles.
How to Lose an Election
Definitive results of Republican preferences for their party’s 2012 nominee for president of the United States are far from in although thousands have expressed their opinions in non-binding state straw polls. There won’t be any real results until the numbers from the January 3rd Iowa caucuses and January 1oth New Hampshire primary are tabulated.
Still, based on early polls, the debates, educated guesses, and inconsequential straw ballots, pundits and non-pundits alike have a gut feeling on who will snag the gold GOP ring and, perhaps more importantly, who should be the nominee’s choice for a running mate.
As of now, it looks like former Massachusetts governor Willard Mitt Romney for the top spot. Assuming Mitt wants to win on November 6th,2012, he will pick Florida’s Senator Marco Antonio Rubio to run with him against President Barack Hussein Obama and Person-to-be-Named-Later, after Obama tests how the fickle political winds are blowing.
Designated late night Democrat hatchetmen Leno and Letterman would have tons of idiotic fun poking ridicule at “Willard” and “Marco” while ignoring the equivalent hilarity of “Barack” and his comical gaffes and ineptitude but they won’t get the chance unless Willard and Marco share the GOP ticket.
As we all know, things can change quickly and dramatically in the world of contemporary politics. Witness New York Senator Hillary Clinton’s unexpected fade in the 2008 Democrat presidential sweepstakes and, more recently, Rep. Michelle Bachmann’s and Gov. Rick Perry’s falls from grace among Republicans.
We also know the sheer terror Rubio has struck in the liberal minds and soul-less hearts of Obama’s MSM as seen in the current campaign by the Washington Post, et al. to deconstruct Rubio based on an innocent error concerning the date of his parents’ flight from Castro’s Cuba. The lib theory seems to be, when you have nothing, go with it, the same angle they unsuccessfully used on Herman Cain.
Good man that he is, Cain can’t be elected despite his recent popularity; he’s even more inexperienced and unqualified to be president than a certain community organizer was three years ago and lacks the advantage of mainstream media backing him and concealing his flaws.
Barring some catastrophic event, a Hillary insurrection, or Obama pulling an LBJ, he will head the Democrat ticket next year and, barring a miracle, Romney will be the Republican nominee. He will then have to decide whether to beat Obama or try once again to win in 2016. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5846.)
In November 2008 I predicted the great 0 would supplant Jimmy Carter as the worst POTUS in history. I first started writing a long one here about how he has not only exceeded that expectation exponentially, but has managed to install his agenda into every single aspect of American society – an amazingly complete plan. The cancer is metastasizing.
But really, the bottom line is that to vote for 0 or to abstain is to vote for the end of America as we know it (at least until recently) and, eventually, the end of Western society. It’s that serious. Defeating this cancer is our last chance.
It will not be easy. There is no depth to which his campaign will not stoop to secure victory.
I have my own preference as does everyone but it’s irrelevant. I will not “cut off my nose to spite my face”. THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE GETS MY VOTE. Period.
William F. Buckley, the brilliant father of modern conservatism once said, concerning who to vote for: “The wisest choice would be the one who would win. No sense running Mona Lisa in a beauty contest. I’d be for the most right, viable candidate who could win. If you could convince me that Barry Goldwater could win, I’d vote for him.”
I’ve seen far too many conservatives who claim that they’re going to “vote their conscience” and “vote their heart, not party” and similar statements concerning elections. This includes writing in a candidate on the ballot, like “Daffy Duck” and other such nonsense, instead of voting for the most conservative candidate who a person believes can win the election.
IMHO, you “vote your conscience” in the primary, and then, if the candidate you picked in the primary ends up not being the nominee, you vote for the most conservative candidate that can win the general election. Unfailingly, this will be the Republican nominee in national elections. (Local elections may be different, and often are.)
I personally consider all those who claim that they’re going to “vote their conscience” and who claim to be conservatives at the same time, while threatening to write in Daffy Duck if their favorite candidate doesn’t get the nomination to be TRAITORS to the conservative cause. So would Bill Buckley. So would Ronald Reagan.
Consider: How bad would your conscience feel if you were to write in Daffy Duck if ________ didn’t get the nomination and that contributed to OWEbama winning a second term?
I call that treason against conservatism, and, therefore, treason against the country. It’s unconscionable to do such things when our single most important goal, as conservatives, is to try to remove OWEbama from office. Doing anything that impedes that is tremendously foolish.
All that having been said, there are certainly some Republican candidates who would probably be harmful to the country for various reasons. Foremost among them is Ron Paul. Michelle Bachmann, as well, doesn’t have what it takes to run this country effectively from my observations of her. Palin isn’t going to run (thank Heaven). Herman Cain, as good of a businessman as he was, as intelligent as he is, and as much charisma as he has, hasn’t ever held elective office and would have an extremely difficult time getting used to the steep learning curve that he would experience as president. However, could ANY of them possibly be as bad for the country as OWEbama (with the exception of Ron Paul, who shouldn’t be running as a Republican in the first place)?
Personally, I wanted Mitch Daniels to get into the race. He decided against it, but I’m not going to throw my vote away and commit treason against the country and against conservatism by writing in somebody who doesn’t have a chance of winning.
I refuse to be a petulant child and cut my nose off to spite my face if my preferred candidate doesn’t get the Republican nomination.
I will pull a straight Republican ticket. To do anything less is to help our arch enemies—liberals.
You can bet your sweet backside that ALL liberals will vote for OWEbama.
When Buckley said that, my country wasn’t facing imminent collapse. Now we have nothing to lose by voting the “purist” line.
Too bad that someone who professes to be a conservative resorts so quickly to the condescension and name calling so prevalent on the left.
Buckley was a great man, watching him verbally eviscerate Gore Vidal when I was a child set me on the path to conservatism, a Libertarian brand of conservatism that Buckley famously supported by his call for an end to drug prohibition.
But, as much, as I love the memory of Buckley, I prefer to think for myself rather than simply quote others and expect people to blindly step in line. I love my wife to, but we don’t agree on all things.
If we intend to play “quotes” here are a couple that apply to the leftist Romney:
“Libertarianism is the soul of conservatism”. . . Regan
Doesn’t sound too much like “socialized medicine, gee I love Mass gun control laws Romney, now does it?
“. . . where despotism can be taken pure. . . without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”. . . Lincoln
Exactly why Romney IS NOT the lessor of two evils vis a vie the POSITOO.
‘Ve haz wayz and methods of making you eat^Wvote for the vegetable’.
As a #5 voter, I am rapidly becoming a 3d candidate voter. The effort by establishment Repubs to discredit any other candidate but Romney is starting to annoy me.
To quote another Republican, “…government is the problem.” That includes the Republican establishment.
That’s 3d party, not 3d candidate.
Maybe the best we can hope for is a hung election at the GOP convention, and a brand new contender.
Karl Rove was on the Fox News last night smearing Cain and again this morning right back smearing Perry and Cain. I am beginning to think they got to Murdock at Fox with all that phone hacking scandle from the UK and threats to his business here in the US and we are now all adrift with no news outlet telling us the truth. It is time to put Karl Rove in the dustbin with John McCain and David Brooks, and put Fox on notice that we aren’t going to put up with them selling us out and still give them an audience.
I’m relieved to hear this,it means that you won’t need my vote on November 4th.Which is good,because you will never get it.I,for my part will be starting a third party,because if, after his support for the Individual Mandate(on the state level),and Cap and Trade,Romney gets the nomination,then you can stick a fork in the GOP,because its done.It would never rise to anything other than Democratic Party-lite.And we do not need “anyone but Obama”.I went through this “electibility nonsense with John Mccain in 2008.I will not pretend that a conservative “just can’t get elected”,the truth of the matter is that Rockefeller Republicans don’t want Romney because “he can win”,they have routinely supported RINOS like Crist and Castle & Dede Scozzafava & Bennett.This isn’t about “electability”,its about the ideological direction of the party.
I would NEVER vote for Mitt Romney, under ANY circumstance.
“He can win.”
And so can my dog, if he runs on the Republican ticket.
Ergo, “can win” should be the last consideration in choosing our candidate this time. This is a great opportunity. Choose the dude, or dudette, who is most shamelessly conservative, and has credentials to back it up.
Romney is for reTAWRDed people. Might as well vote for Obama.
The only way I’d hold my nose and vote for Romney is if he’d stop lying about my Governor, Rick Perry. If Romney doesn’t stop lying then I’ll write in someone in protest to Romney. That goes for all the other candidates too! Run on what YOU would do, not lies and smears! Otherwise, do NOT count on my contribution or vote!
Well said.
To concede the republican nomination before we even vote is an idiotic thing to do. With Romney we get McCain 2.0. A bit slicker and better looking but still the same RINO inside. Flip Flop, Flip Flop. He has no moral stand other than what can I do to win. I will NOT vote for Romney in the primary unless everyone else drops out. And then what’s the point. No, At this time I haven’t decided who to vote for but it’s probably going to be Newt Gingrich. I like his promise to repeal all Obama’s executive orders starting right after inauguration. I like his flat tax plan, espoused long before Perry came up with a flat tax plan. I like that he has never attacked any of his primary opponents unlike all the rest of them sniping at one another like little kids. He’s the only one who hasn’t taken his eyes off the real enemy, that being our current president. He can debate rings around Obama, confounding him at every turn. I am really looking forward to that debate, should Obama be silly enough to let him have one. Watch for Obama to duck and evade.
Anyone but Obama, period.
Asking a few conservative friends is no where near an unscientific poll even. So what?
I am an Indy, an ex Dimocrat. So all you conservatives have a right to be suspicious of my centrist. credentials. There is no way I (nor husband, nor many friends) would mark the ballot for Obama II, e.g. Mitties.
We would vote for Perry, or others out there, hold our noses.
We are good citizens, participate always vote. Romney is not a choice on the ballot for us. I find this coronation of Romney by the Establishment Repubs. and the MSM (lefty Dems who’d never vote for Romney or a Repub.) disgusting. Romney will lose against Obama.
If Republicans didn’t vote in 2008, they will stay home in larger numbers in 2012 with Mitties Flippity Flop.
Actually, the reason many conservatives don’t like Romney is because they feel he is too “centrist”, irrespective of his “flip-flops”. If you are a centrist, as you claim, he should be your choice. And, that’s also why the MSM supports Romney, especially if he gets elected over Obama. He is closer to their way of thinking than any of the other candidates, except Huntsman.
I’m not sure about the centrist point made here.
We will have the usual argument about who is safest, centrist vs conservative. Centrists will speak their great fear of having Obama reelected. Understandable, although they have no reason to worry. Obama is finished.
The Republican nominee, any one of them, will beat Obama.
In any case, I don’t think Romney is actually a liberal of the heart, I think he has made choices that are sensible inside Mass. The sensible choices at the national level are quite different, so he will do those. That’s the thing about his character that we take for flip-flopping.
Ridiculous poll. My answer — vote on every race but president — didn’t even occur as an option?
False choice, which is about what I expect from Establicans and Romneyites (do I repeat myself?).
I will definitely vote for Obama if the RNC gives us Romney. Republicans might again have to be taught a lesson. When you run RINOs like McCain and Romney, you’ll loose every time. Word to the wise, anybody but Romney. If you want to loose 2012, run that flip-floping #@$%!
Romney has changed positions more than an insomniac with restless leg syndrome.
It won’t be a matter of voting for “the lesser of two evils,” but choosing “the leper with the fewest missing fingers.” (Obama, of course, is all thumbs, so Romney has a chance.)
October 2012: Diane Sawyer interviews a Mormon bigamist’s wife who fled the household because of incessant beatings. She will conclude, “Of course, one story cannot be used to indict an entire religion, but it will nevertheless still be on the minds of many voters…”
You will hear the word “cult” spoken by the Democrats and the media more than the phrase “pay their fair share.”
It will be bloody…
I’ve been “holding my nose” for 25 years… every election since 1984…
Aren’t there ANY true-blue-conservative governors out there? Hello?
Only 14 more months ’til we remove the Marxist in the Oval Office & cancel Amatuer Hour at the White House.
NOBAMA 2012
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
Winston Churchill
“Amatuer Hour” = “Amateur Hour”
“Why ‘Anyone but Romney’ Voters Should Hold Their Noses and Think Big”
I’m not even going to read tripe with this title. Romney should hold his nose while he kisses my ass. I will not under any circumstances vote for someone with his shallow, say anything to get elected character.
Romney wins the nomination only if the Beltway GOP and the NYT gets to make the pick.
I’m guessing that they don’t. One McCain is plenty, thank you very little.
What you are missing is that a vote for Romney IS a vote for Obama, or at least Obama’s policies. There are only two areas of daylight between Mitt and Berry, Mitt is all white, Berry is half. Berry has a (D) after his name, Mitt has an (R).
BTW, Mitt cannot win the general election. Where are his EV’s? No Ev’s in the South. Akk his EV’s in the north east and 2 maybe 3 western states. He is the Republican Dukakis.
If he wins the nomination it will be because Donks cross voted. They are being encouraged to do so because the DNC sees the same thing anyone rational does. Mitt CANNOT win!
If he was a true American and wanted what was best for the Country, he would withdraw his name from consideration. Instead he is letting his ego drive the bus off the cliff.
There is no way I will vote for Romney in the Primary.
As for the General Election: Romney will have to convince me he is not another McCain or Dole. They were the electable candidates that Conservatives were told they had to vote for.
If the Establishment Wing of the Republican Party keeps insisting that only they can lead to keep Democrats out of office, I will remind them that Abraham Lincoln left the Whig Party and eventually lead a Third party to victory.
So why not vote for Ron Paul in the primaries? His base will vote for him no matter what. So the RP base + Hold your Nose GOP voters = a sure win against Obama. Romney is NOT a sure win. RP supporters will NOT vote for a RINO, the rest of GOP’rs will while holding their nose making it a WIN for Obama.
Ron Paul won’t do anything that is not in the Constitution. So he limits his own power. What are you afraid of?
Forgot to add that DEMOCRATS and LIBERTARIANS are switching parties to vote in the primaries for Ron Paul. So you have EX-Obama voters + Libertarians + RP base + GOP.
Ron Paul is a SURE land slide win if he gets the GOP nomination. Search the web your self and check the forums of the liberals. You’ll find the Obama defectors stating support for RP.
I would vote for Satan himself before I vote for Romney. I’d vote to give myself the clap before I vote for Mitt Romney. If the GOP runs him, they deserve to not only loose but go the way of the wig.
America cannot survive another 5 years of Obama. I will not have to hold my nose to vote for Romney. I think Romney can easily be pulled further to the right once elected.
Gingrich has been overlooked as the most qualified candidate in my opinion but if it is Romney, then so be it. He will have my vote.
Those who want to give Obama an easy victory by not supporting our nominee obviously are not very concerned about the future of this country.