Sullivan and Company Go on the Attack, and as usual, Blame Israel for the World’s Faults
I have been called a lot of names in my life, especially since breaking with the political left of which I once was a part. Usually the accusations come with words such as “counter-revolutionary,” “renegade,” “traitor to the left,” “he went over to the right-wing to get their money,” “FBI or CIA agent,” etc. etc. etc. But Andrew Sullivan today comes up with a new charge: “pro-Israel fanatic.” Faced with a choice between all of those I list, I think I’ll live with this one. To be called this by Sullivan, who previously referred to those who defend Israel as a bunch of “Likudniks,” is a badge to wear proudly, especially when it appears on his own Hamasnik blog.
When he accuses me and others of engaging in the politics of “personal smear,” however, he misses our major point. It is a quite simple one, which Sullivan and some of those who have posted comments hostile to my blog post yesterday do not understand. We are not trying to “stifle debate” on the Middle East. Calling attention to the still rather unknown record of Justice Richard Goldstone as an apartheid era judge who ruled in favor of the Afrikaner state is not a smear; it speaks to Goldstone’s very credibility of his pose as a moral exemplar whose report critical of Israel is supposed to be taken seriously.
Moreover, in my case, I was not depending for my view on the newspaper investigation that appeared in Yedioth Ahronoth, but particularly on the report I linked to in a few of my blogs, the one written by a South African who knew Goldstone well in those days, Ayal Rosenberg. He documents how Goldstone had what he calls “an illustrious career in the service of apartheid.” My blog readers and Sullivan and anyone else can read this report themselves. I find it most instructive that to date, he and others have failed to comment on and analyze the very scrupulous and newsworthy analysis that Rosenberg gives in what he calls a “Critique of Self-Apotheosis.” He notes that Goldstone’s career dovetailed with the years of the worst repression, during the reign of P.W.Botha. He gives chapter and verse on how Goldstone portrayed himself as a defender and supporter of Both, his government, and the system of lawlessness known as apartheid.
That is why the comments in the other critique offered today, that by Sasha Polakow-Suransky, a senior editor of Foreign Affairs, also fail to address the issue. Writing on the Huffington Post website, Polakow-Suransky argues that it does not matter whether or not Goldstone served apartheid, since those accusing him support Israel, which was in fact “the most significant arms supplier to that regime throughout the 1980s.” To criticize the Goldstone Report is one thing, he argues; to smear Goldstone is however a case of “character assassination.” And that, he argues, is “hypocritical.”
Really? Think a moment. We are talking about the role of an individual, who in a time of moral crisis voluntarily chose not to oppose the evil apartheid system of his own country, not even to simply live as a citizen privately opposed but not doing anything to strengthen the regime — but who chose to enforce its laws and to create “justice” by judging as if they were legal and right. As Ayal Rosenberg argues in his critique, this is what the Nuremburg trials were all about — judges ruling as if the regime they served was legal and constitutional, and ruling in order to justify legally and enforce its barbaric edicts.






Judge Goldstone’s opportunistic morality reminds me of that of another Jewish judge eager to find favor with liberal society after doing something politically correct earlier in his career: Judge Irving Kaufman, who spent the rest of his career trying to “make up for” his sentencing of the Goldbergs to death for their service as Soviet spies by becoming a reliably left-wing judicial force when the culture shifted away from anti-communism. It’s a particular species of what Bob Tyrrell captured in his famous “Strange New Respect” columns in the old American Spectator.
I for one,as an Australian,who has fought in war,believe Israel to be one of the most moral countries in the world. I did NOT respect any of the Goldstone report as it,in my view,was very one sided to say the least.
If there is a way of helping Israel in the future,I will be very proud to do so.
Note…I am not Jewish or have any Jewish experience.
Your support is most welcome. You can help simply by defending Israel to friends, relatives, and other people with whom you may interact with. Also, if you hear someone make a comment that sounds Anti-Israel, don’t be afraid to step in and respond. Your experience as a soldier gives you a lot of clout in society right off the bat.
Thanks!
I have never seen so much antisemitism in America as I do right now. Most anti-semites are “closet” Jew-haters who mask their comments in terms of anti-Israeli or anti-Zionist attacks. I am especially disturbed when they come from my own relatives. I have made it a policy to assume any attempt to hold Israel to a double standard as anti-semitic and I immediately “out” them and accuse them of religious bigotry. Many are simply not aware of their subconscious antisemitism and often are surprised by the facts and some change their views. I often remind people that Jew-haters end up killing many more gentiles whenever they run out of Jews to kill. Remember, the architects of 9/11 are rabid Jew-haters who also hate Americans.
Well, Sullivan can be counted on to redefine his principles at the opportune time.
Goldstone’s report is ridiculous but at the same time I think you make a mistake criticizing Goldstone for supporting the apartheid regime for the reason that the editor of Foreign Affairs suggests. The real culprit here is the UN.
Smart and gay . . . what’s not to like?
Smart, gay and HIV positive. HIV is known to cause mental disorders. I suggest that the source of Mr. Sullivan’s rage is not simply his gayness but instead it is a disease induced psychosis.
If he were indeed psychotic he’d be working for Fuk Snooze.
Please note how lefties respond when they have no substantive arguments.
Now, the lefty in question will respond with an ad hominem attack on myself, my mother, or some other person or entity I hold in high regard.
It’s as predictable as the rotation of the earth.
Skeez:
My point about Sullivan’s mental state was only marginally meant to be ad hominem. There is a wide body of evidence that suggests that people infected with HIV have significantly higher levels of mental disorders. (see: http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102194570.html)
I observe that while conservatives tend to ignore members of their own community who exhibit aberrant behavior progressives rush to their defense of insanity in their camp. If I recall correctly it was conservative bloggers who lead the debunking of birtherism. Like all Progressives you project your own behavior upon your opponents so as to justify your irrational and often violent behavior.
So I guess your rush to the defense of the mental ill Sullivan is just an indication of your own mental disorders.
Even though you are a loathsome little insect, that was funny Skeeziks! It even took my slow right-wing brain a few moments to “get it.” (which made it even funnier when I did get it!
Well, Wagner wrote great music too — but was a parasite of a man.
Falafel? Of the Long Island O’Reilly Falafels?
Ron, Sullivan is simply not important. he’s not important because he has, to be generous, sacrificed his intellectual and moral integrity to his rage agenda. He had many ardent fans, myself included, once upon a time when his thinking and writing were fresh, original, fiercely honest and honesty reflective and evolving. But most of us who admired him back before his meltdown know well, he flipped when Bush made statements opposing gay marriage and its imposition on democracies by unelected judges. Whether coincidental to those statements or not, Sullivan has been a ranting hypocrite ever since. His deranged obsession with Trig Palin’s parentage alone is enough to disqualify him from consideration as even an interesting, let alone relevant, writer. the man is a crank.
I haven’t read him in years, and I respond here only because I read you. Sullivan is a troll and unworthy of response, recognition or consideration. Responsible pundits and thinkers spend entirly too much time reading and responding to his excretions. No need.
I second Victor Erimita’s thoughts.
I’m with you as well, V.E. and E.V. It might be hard for people to move on after having had relationships with other writers over the years, but this Sullivan is one guy to forget about. To most people he’s a nobody. He’s only as important as one lets him be.
I used to be a regular reader of Sullivan’s blog, and I even exchanged e-mails with him a few times.
I agree completely with Victor’s analysis.
I’m guessing that he felt betrayed when Bush opposed the judicial usurption of the gay marriage debate, and that betrayal has led to an unthinking hatred of Bush and a total rejection of any position that Bush takes.
Sounds like how conservatives treat David Frum.
Are you actually suffering from the delusion that anyone cares what you have to say?
Case in point. Thanks for contributing.
To you, I’m sure that’s true.
Andrew Sullivan inadvertently revealed the deceit of the Democratic Party. He was enraged that George W. Bush opposed gay marriage—but also conveniently ignored the fact John Kerry officially held the exact same position! The difference, of course, is that Sullivan knew Kerry was probably lying.
Dear Mr. Radash,
Don’t internalize other people’s toxic waste, whatever you do. This is a lesson I’m learning (however painfully slowly) for myself.
The more ugly, scummy, slimey something is, it seems to gain more traction via the aforementioned.
Our world is no longer made up of noble people with noble manners but, perhaps, they never were to begin with anyway, the youtube just hadn’t caught up to their ‘ahem’ indescribably decadent ‘tude.
I fully look forward to the disheveling of an entire institution created by man for man and taken over by woman for woman.
The number of the beast is man….not woman.
And the meek shall inherit the earth.
Fancy that.
“The meek shall inherit nothing.”
Zappa 3:16
As long as Trig Sullivan is libeling you, rest assured that you are on the right track. Sullivan is to truth telling what Oprah is to high jumping.
This is simply more trash spewed by Randy Andy.
It’s what he DOES.
He HAS to pick fights with someone, anyone in order to garner some attention. Without attention, he’s just another leftist blowhard.
Sullivan is like a pesky gnat who just won’t get out of your face despite repeated smack-downs.
Randy Andy has some serious “issues”.
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Oh, yes, the old “Israel sold arms to South Africa” line. True enough, although Israel was hardly the only offender. At the same time the Arabs happily sold South Africa all the oil it wanted and not getting oil would have made a bigger difference than not getting some warplanes.
Meanwhile, Sullivan drags out the old “Likudnik” line. Oh, no, we’re not anti-Israel, we’re just against those Likudnik fanatics.” Of course, this is trotted out irrespective of whether: 1. The Likud is actually in power; and 2. The policy may be promulgated by a Likudnik prime minister but is supported across the Israeli political spectrum.
Oh, yes, the old “the old line” line. The only thing you’re minimizing is your argument.
I thought the credo was “I’m not anti-Israel, I’m anti-Zionist?”
That’s better than pretending to have something worthwhile to say, as you do.
I know, I’m too adult. What can I say,? I hated being a kid, and I didn’t want to do anything that was identified with being a kid.
I think you miss the point skeeziks, but then you usually do. Nations do what is in their national interest to do. The U.S. often was forced to support reprehensible regimes (Idi Amin anyone?) in order to counterbalance the Soviets. We supported these regimes, not because we thought it was right to do so, but because the Soviets had to know we would support anyone who resisted them. They did the same.
I’m quite certain the Israelis were not horribly happy about supporting South Africa at the time, but it was then in their national interest to do so.
Regardless, the fact anyone sold arms, oil or anything else to the former South African government is not relevant now, it is merely a convenient stick with which to beat your opponents, which is all those on the left truly care about.
Patrick
Someday I will meet a liberal who is capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation.
The ones who infest most blog sites seem to believe that throwing out nonsensical insults and voluminous postings that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, assuming they are readable in the first place, are the heights of intellectual endeavors.
Oh, yes, the old “throwing out nonsensical insults and voluminous postings” by liberals incapable “of carrying on an intelligent conversation” line. (Your third here by my count.)
By the way, you have some noun-verb agreement issues in your post. Here’s the clue . . . “is” and “height.” Just doing my part to help champion the art of language and argument in our great nation.
Hail Rush! Go Sarah!
Once more skeeziks demonstrates why liberals are incapable of rational thought.
Four!
Hey multiple personality liar. What about this “four”? To whom am I speaking?
One thing is certain, a liar. A liar. Liar.
111. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah.
Dec 4, 2009 – 1:23 pm
233. Now and Then:
Hail Rush. Go Sarah!
Dec 5, 2009 – 7:03 am
388. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah!
Dec 6, 2009 – 3:46 pm
426. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah!
Dec 7, 2009 – 5:35 pm
Let me see, who else…
Did oscar le sleazits get moved to the cesspool closet? It was a lame ID. Really lame.
Le mmm, mmm, mmm.
Van Jones is asking about the military jargon.
Can Kyber bark hup two three four.
Whatever.
Just so you know, I mean, it’s only fair to tell you. I’m worse than a liar. I’m Satan, the Horn-ed One, and I’m here to infiltrate your righteousness. I’m here to suck the sweet scent of heaven out of your soul. You were right about me all along. I can’t hide it any longer. Only you were in tune enough to discern my true identity. And now I must beg you to keep it a secret. I have much more work to do in this realm. If you grant me this wish, I will grant you yours – to receive one extra pack of Marlboros per week delivered directly to your ward . . . I mean suite.
Glad we worked that out.
sleazits
“Just so you know, I mean, it’s only fair to tell you. I’m worse than a liar. I’m Satan, the Horn-ed One, and I’m here to infiltrate your righteousness. I’m here to suck the sweet scent of heaven out of your soul.”
Yeah, that’s right Mr. Multiple Personality. Puff it a big as you cesspool logic will take lt. It don’t work here homes. Maybe Impotence could be the next ID? Nah, you’re just a common liar who got found out. There’s no going back now!
“You were right about me all along. I can’t hide it any longer.”
No, you’ll hide from now until drained cesspool time. The cesspool is all you know. Lying and misdirection, sans le reality. You are what you eat. Take a look around, what’s that floating by? Sewage? Another funhouse mirror personality? Games anyone?
“Only you were in tune enough to discern my true identity.”
You made lying and bigotry your M.O. You make it simple. Bark baby bark! Live with it. Shall I use one of your favorite words? Idiot…???
“And now I must beg you to keep it a secret.”
Begging fits. A can of Old Roy is on its way! Flushed right down the toilet. Speak Kyber, good dog. Here’s your treat. Flllluuussshhh!!!!!
“I have much more work to do in this realm.”
Wow, why not post as Batman? More like Jimmy Olsen. People will really, really, really pay attention! You’ll really be The Genius then!
“If you grant me this wish, I will grant you yours – to receive one extra pack of Marlboros per week delivered directly to your ward . . . I mean suite.”
Once again, we have the begging liar attempting to set terms. Another one of the easily identifiable cesspool logic traits. I think you mean “sweet”. Like that kick me sign attached to your booty. The kick is away! It’s good!
“Glad we worked that out.”
Sure Kyber. You wish it would be like that. You’re the self-created punk and PJM is your playground, right? Yeah, worked out. Game it! Yeah. That’s cool! Why not work out honesty and respect? De-punk le punk.
How weak. How tame. How pointless. How lame. How Javvvvveeeellllllllllinnnnnnnn!
Whatever.
Got a new identity for ya . . . Pavlov’s Dog.
One cannot define “pro-Israel fanatic” without simulataeously acknowledging and defining its antithesis, the “anti-Israel fanatic,” personified by Mr. Sullivan
Mr. Radosh, Your comments are thoughtful and well researched. Your articles are always substantive. I read them whenever I find them.
I have the following quotation on my desk. I humbly suggest it be placed on yours.
” I seek no victory, for the honor of my soul and character consists in deviating from the paths of fools, but not in conquering them. ” Maimonides
RR,
I greatly appreciate your efforts at revealing who Goldstone really is. At the time he came out with his report, the one thing I couldn’t fathom was his motivation. But now that his past activities both in support of, and, when it became convenient, against, apartheid make it clear. He is simply a sycophant and careerist and I wish for him what he deserves.
As for Sullivan, seriously, who cares?
Andrew Sullivan is a misogynist animal who despises women.
I would take the criticism leveled by Sullivan as a badge of honor. The man is devoid of morals and ethics and preaches as if he was the savior of the western world. He reminds me of the evangelical minister who preaches against sin on Sunday but has his dirty little secret every other day of the week. Whether Sullivan has a mental disorder or not is truly not the point, that being said there is no doubt that anti-semitism is part and parcel the worst and oldest form of mental disease ever imagined, his rants are actually given attention by the left.He was just on the Colbert Report, which gives this disturbed human being some form of legitimacy among the young. That is the problem with bottom-feeders like Sullivan, not that he is being ignored for his views but that the left in its infinite ignorance celebrates his hate and bile.
I liked Skeeziks better when he was in Gasoline Alley.
How ridiculous to think that virtue lies in a political opinion. Whatever the opinion it can only be met by a counter opinion. All opinions are not equal. There is something called evidence that has to be put in play. I don’t see much of that above. To call someone a “pro-Israel fanatic” counts not at all. But just in case you didn’t understand what I wrote here it would be o.k. to call Sullivan an “anti-Israel fanatic”. So there. We’re even. Stick and stones blah blah blah.
Undeniably excellent on so many levels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFDvh3eHmvw
But hey, you guys are really serious about truth.
skeeziks reminds me of Sullivan.
Someone with absolutely nothing to say, but who insists on saying loudly and often.
How often is often? Is five often?
I am the eternal optimist. I think that, over time, people respond to civility and — and rational argument.