The wrong man, sir
Townhall links to a video in which civil rights activist Percy Sutton claimed he was asked by a certain “Dr. Khalid al Mansour”, supposed adviser to ‘one of the richest men in the world’, to write a letter of reccomendation on behalf of Barack Obama to help him gain acceptance to the Harvard Law Review many years ago. Mansour was raising money for Obama at the time,according to Sutton, a circumstance strange enough in itself. Townhall identifies the Mansour in question as a preacher from Islam Studios. A video purporting to show Dr. Mansour exemplifies his somewhat comical style of preaching. However, it seems at first glance that Townhall may have erred in its identification of the right Mansour for the Islamic preacher featured in the video seems unlikely to have been any kind of adviser to billionaries. A search on the Internet showed another Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour‘s whose biographical details fit the Sutton profile much better.
Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tario Al-Mansour is an internationally acknowledged advisor to Heads of State and business leaders in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and North America. He has been actively involved in structuring investments and joint ventures worldwide for over 35 years. Dr. Al-Mansour was also responsible for the Africa investment activities of Kingdom Holdings, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal’s investment company. During his distinguished career, Dr. Al-Mansour has been a guest lecturer at Harvard University, Bombay University, Columbia University, UCLA, University of Kenya, London School of Economics and the University of Ghana.
In addition to Africa Venture Partners, Dr. Al-Mansour sits on the Boards of: Saudi African Bank; Kingdom Holdings, Africa; Multimedia Super Corridor (Malaysia); Space Tech Inc.; AmNet Corp. International; New Avenues Fund Ltd; United Bank for Africa; United Networks; and Landmark Entertainment.
Dr. Al-Mansour has authored 24 books and is listed in Who’s Who in the World; International Who’s Who in the Arab World; Two Thousand Men of Achievement; Royal Blue Book of London; World’s Who’s Who of Intellectuals and American Hall of Fame. Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour has a Bachelor of Arts degree from Howard University (Phi Beta Kappa) and Doctor of Jurisprudence from the University of California at Berkeley.
This Mansour of Africa Ventures looks too good to be true. His accomplishments are so great and fame so limited that he appears to be the human equivalent of a Nigerian email scam? Yet he is apparently real. Another al-Mansour who may fit the bill is “Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour of San Antonio, a black lawyer and orthodox Islamic lecturer”. Sutton mentioned that Al-Mansour was from Texas. This profile of the lawyer, said to be from 1996 AP piece suggestively coincides with Sutton’s recollection that Mansour was from Texas.
Sayyid M. Syeed, secretary-general of the Indiana-based Islamic Society of North America, cites higher numbers. He estimates blacks comprise half of the nation’s 8 million Muslims, with members of the vocal and controversial Nation of Islam — perhaps the best-known group of Muslim blacks — constituting a small minority. It’s growing. There’s no question it’s growing,” says Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour of San Antonio, a black lawyer and orthodox Islamic lecturer. More and more inner-city Islamic centers are emerging,” Syeed says. “That’s a new phenomenon.”
Are they the same man? This link from Par Excellance, suggests that Al-Mansour and the preacher shown on the Townhall video unlikely as it may seem, may be the same person. The Mansour described in Par Excellance matches the profile in Africa Ventures and has the same face as the Muslim preacher in the video. If so, then this list of his lectures, distributed from the Halalco Supermarket at Falls Church, VA, is a strange one indeed. This would raise almost as many questions as it answers. This video bio of Mansour leaves no doubt that he claims to be a lawyer is the preacher and the man described in the Africa Ventures site.
I wonder if the readers can shed any additional light on this matter. Knowing someone at the right hand of very rich men is a great thing when you’re looking for entry into law school. Sutton took Mansour’s advice, whoever he was, and wrote Harvard saying there was a “genius” who would soon be available to them. And the rest is nearly history.
PJM editor Allison Kaplan Sommer noticed that Dr. Khalid al-Mansour (picture shown here) is also into Pyramid Power Products! It sells whole food products good for all 60 trillion cells in your body. I’m beginning to wonder how much of Percy Sutton’s recollections about Dr. Khalid al-Mansour come from the same universe that you and I inhabit. The whole scenario is a few teeth short of set of dentures. So readers … your wisdom please.
Update:
Sutton is ambiguous about whether the recommendation he was solicited for referred to his admission to Harvard or the Law Review. Townhall quotes Sutton as “I was introduced to him by a friend who was raising money for him and the friends name was Dr. Khalid al Mansour from Texas. He is the principle adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama. He wrote to me about him and his introduction was ‘there is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there becasue you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?’…I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying ot them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I sure hoped they would treat him kindly.” But if you listen carefully to the Sutton video itself, acceptance into the Law Review is also mentioned. My guess is that Sutton’s recollection is poor on the point.
Nobody is accusing Barack Obama of anything. What I am trying to figure out is whether Sutton’s story is plausible, and if so, who the Khalid Mansour referred to in the recollection refers to. It seemed astounding that the Muslim preacher in the Townhall video should be a man of such international influence. But just now, Allison Kaplan Sommer sent me a link to a 1981 US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals case between a Union and OPEC. Guess who one of the lawyers for OPEC is? Mansour. But this is ludicrous, or at least bizzarre. I don’t want to chase conspiracy theories here, just the opposite. There are just two questions in my mind. Did a Khalid al-Mansour request Sutton to help BHO get into Harvard or the Law Review? Second, who is Khalid al-Mansour? I’m not sure BHO has anything to do with it, except as a person referred to in Sutton’s recollection.
INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MACHINISTS AND AEROSPACE
WORKERS, (IAM), an association, Plaintiff-Appellant,
v.
The ORGANIZATION OF the PETROLEUM EXPORTING COUNTRIES
(OPEC); the Democratic and Popular Republic of Algeria
(Algeria); the Republic of Ecuador (Ecuador); the Gabonese
Republic (Gabon); Republic of Indonesia (Indonesia);
Imperial Government of Iran (Iran); Republic of Iraq (Iraq);
State of Kuwait (Kuwait); Libyan Arab Republic (Libya);
Federal Republic of Nigeria (Nigeria); State of Qatar
(Qatar); Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (Saudi Arabia); State of
United Arab Emirates, (United Arab Emirates); and the
Republic of Venezuela (Venezuela), Defendants-Appellees.James H. Davis, Los Angeles, Cal., for plaintiff-appellant.
Antonin Scalia, Chicago, Ill., Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al Mansour, San Francisco, Cal., for defendants-appellees.
Appeal from the United States District Court for the Central District of California.
Richard I. Fine, amicus curiae per se.
Before CHOY and NELSON, Circuit Judges, and SPEARS,* District Judge.
CHOY, Circuit Judge:
Tip Jar.
Pride
I don’t know what to make of Percy Sutton recollection other than to take it as a snapshot of the life and times of the young Barack Obama. Now that BHO’s on the brink of becoming President of the USA a lot of guys will remember helping him get there. However …
This illustrates how little we know of the man who is within a few months of becoming the most powerful man in the world. We know less than Percy Sutton does. And there’s always a chance it’s all true: that Mansour really is a conduit to Saudi Arabia, really operates his business out of a Falls Church supermarket. Who would have thought that a bunch of of flying students could … well God only knows.
@wretchard:
You are correct to move cautiously such things. One jot or tittle out of place in the assertion, and it enables the MSM to discredit ANY allegation about BHO, thus insulating him from further criticism.
I have a bias against the guy. I think he is unqualified for the job, and a real hazard for America. I’d almost rather have Jimmy Carter in office again over BHO, because I’m certain of Carter’s personal history. The fact, as you mention, that we know so little about this guy (and how anyone gets slammed who dares asks those questions) is scary.
Personally – all I want out there are the facts, and nothing but the facts. My cousin’s father-in-law, a good man, was breathlessly asserting that BHO was “outted” as a non-US citizen, thus unqualified to hold office. I was able to research that myth pretty quickly.
This information is interesting. The Quran gives faithful Muslims a wide berth to deceive (and in other ways abuse) infidels and the “Dhimmitude”. Given the war (Islam against the US and world) ongoing, arguably for 30 years now, and the clear political and extra-nationalistic goals expressed by adherents of Islam, questions about Islamic support for a prospective candidate for US CinC, should give any sane American pause. It’d be like discovering that McCain has paternal first cousins related Putin, and then discovering financial ties between Mrs. McCain’s business to FSB business fronts, 10 days after the Georgian invasion and 60 days prior to the election. It would not be definitive (and could in fact be contrived by political opposition, i.e. the accusation is sufficient in the media spin world), but wow, Americans need facts and answers about BHO – and fast.
Millions of Americans just want the facts on Obama, but instead get nothing but vague recollections and assertions.
Old Salt says: “I was able to research that myth pretty quickly.” refering to Obama’s birth and childhood (I would guess)and he said he was able to do it “rather quickly”. I would be interested in how he did that, as many people have been trying to do the same thing for months and only come up with more questions than any answer that can be verified.
Anyway, we certainly do not want a radical liberal, who will push a socialist and somewhat communist government on our Nation.
What to do….?
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
“Millions of Americans just want the facts on Obama, but instead get nothing but vague recollections and assertions.”
This statement could just as easily apply to Obama himself: does Obama really “want the facts on Obama?”
Funny thing, His Obamanic Majesty’s Request has previously claimed that Bill Ayers, unrepentant terrorist, was “just a guy who lived in my neighborhood,” although we now know Obama had a close working relationship with Ayers for years and knew him quite well.
Actually, it all sounds believable to me. I had friend who was much into Pyramid products in the 1970′s. Did you know if you put a dull razor blade in a Pyramid it will sharpen like new? It also works on brains. His brother was a Concert level pianist who made his real living reading taro cards. He’d go on a talk radio program in New York and read caller’s cards over the phone. You see, the wires established a connection. He read my cards (in person) and told me many woman would fall in love with me. He didn’t mention it would be platonic.
In anycase, this friend was not a leftist himself but he was an idealist and a devoted runner — kind of Evangelical about it. He organized “The International Peace Race” because he came across one in Czechoslovakia. I used to help him out. It was a good way to meet the Unitarian/Reform Jew left nexus. Pleasant folks, if they weren’t upset. We would take East European runners into Super Markets and they would defect. Turned out these folks brought down the Berlin wall, but not in the way they claim. These runners would say, “The Americans are hording all the food and I want to live there.”
In anycase, he got connected with a local billionaire and founder of “Pharmor,” which established the Enron Business Model back in the 80′s. I think Mickey will be getting out of the pen soon. He would talk of taking things to a higher level for a bigger collapse. He was the “Peace Race” sponsor for a number of years.
I could go on. But the intersection of Commies, idealists, quack science and out of control billionaires is totally believable to me.
I think hording has an “a” in it. Got to run.
Re-birth certificate go to texasdarlin blog, they have scrutinize the bc of Obama published in his website, the thing that caught me is there is no registration number, however, last week fatcheck came up with one with the numbers on it and it has not been acknowledge by the Obama campaign. The issue is not Obama’s birthright, it is his qualification to be president of the US according to the constitution. The question is that when he was adopted by Seotoro (an Indonesian) did he get an Indonesian citizenship? Having dual citizenship disqualifies you to be a US president according to the constitution. There is a case that has been filed against Obama regarding this I believe in PA. And people were encourage to formally file a complaint to their State election board, however, it cannot be done until Obama is officially the nominee.
“I’d almost rather have Jimmy Carter in office again over BHO”
It is Obama’s resemblance to Jimmy Carter that has bothered me the most about him. I do not know what to think about Percy Sutton’s recollections. Too little information.
you get the scoops wretch. if it’s true – and it sounds plausible, i guess – then the two words “manchurian candidate” sound a lot Less plausible…
MarkJ,
That’s not the Bill Ayers The Messiah knew.
You oughta know that!
I find it interesting that so few people have appeared in the media who actually knew The One at any of those early, murky moments in His rise to inevitability. No boyhood chums from Hawaii–was The One Frank’s ONLY young acquaintance?–no fellow law students, no beneficiaries of His inestimable work at Annenburg, no legal clients made whole, or constituents healed. Make no mistake: I don’t doubt His divinity. But I do wonder who was allowed to touch the hem of His robe so many years before, at long last, He condescended to help the rest of us.
I work for a Law Firm. I will do what I can to gather more info on this person. If anyone has a SSN for this guy, I can get you more information.
The more one moves into researching Obama’s past, the foggier that past gets. Certainly, he at many moments in life, had & still has shaddy backers who smooth the road ahead for him. There are so many mysterious occurrences and strange coincidences in his life – but isn’t him the chosen ONE?
MaryL said…
“Re-birth certificate go to texasdarlin blog…”
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The Messiah was Born Again?
The whole business about this guy (or these guys) writing to get Obama the head position on the Harvard Law Review seems to me simply loony. Law reviews generally are run by students, which means that they do the selecting and editing along with with contributing the occasional unsigned “Note” or “Commentary.” The people with the say as to what students run the thing are the law professors themselves. Harvard Law professors are very likely never under any circumstances to believe that anyone under the sun has better professional judgment than they.
The matter of Obama being anywhere within shooting distance of the Harvard legal mag was raised some weeks ago on LGF, which led me to do an author search on Obama on “HEIN Online” which is the standard legal internet archive of all U.S. and some foreign law reviews. Searching Obama’s name turned up exactly no articles attributed to him by name. His name appears in a couple of footnotes as someone who gave the author some “good advice,” but that is all.
Come on: he was in charge because he was black, and thus soothed the legal liberals’ de rigueur liberal guilt. He’s being considered for president by the party of his choice for the same reason.
The Obama phenomenon is so ridiculous as to be obscene.
Clioman,
re:
“No boyhood chums from Hawaii–was The One Frank’s ONLY young acquaintance?”
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Sadly, Hawaii is so monolithically Democrat that the chances of recruiting a volunteer is far less than might be the case elsewhere.
I’m British and as you probably know the BBC is going sickeningly doolally over the man. It is by now classic and a symbol of how far the left has been hijacked by no brain ideologues who just love to shove the p.c. ideology in your face. They did it with Arafat and Barbara Plett a BBC reporter actually wept on camera as she reported the news of his death. So much for licence fee impartiality? My point is that they are now stating categorically that Obama is not a Muslim with no corroboration. In a programme on how the internet is now a prime mover in this election they talk of ‘Republican attack dogs’ (is their bias showing you may well ask) talking of his Islamic background as if the that truth is too much for them to stomach. Obama is not a Muslim is the definitive mantra but he did have a madrassa education, his father is a Muslim and he is pictured in Muslim garb. So according to Islamic law if your Father is one of the faith so are you. That makes him at least an appostate which Al-beeb mendaciously skirts around as if we are all idiots.
Here’s a bit of illumination
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286
‘Obama’s mother, divorced from Obama’s father, married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro, and the family relocated to the country from 1967-71. At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisis, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather. The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering – Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant.
Asked about this, Obama communications director Robert Gibbs responded by indicating to Pickler that
he wasn’t sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim. “Senator Obama has never been a Muslim.”
Two months later, Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times (available online in a Baltimore Sun reprint) reported that the Obama campaign had retreated from that absolute statement and instead issued a more nuanced one: “Obama has never been a practicing Muslim.” The Times looked into the matter further and learned more about his Indonesian interlude:
His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama’s grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended. That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.
The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. “We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played,” said Zulfin Adi. … Obama’s younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only “for big communal events,” not every Friday.’
So not so clear cut as Al-beeb would have us believe.
I can’t imagine that all those Dr. Khalid al-Mansours could be the same person, unless he’s inflating his resume quite a bit. Any one of them would be a pretty darn interesting acquaintance of the young Messiah. On a side note, I was not familiar with Percy Sutton so I followed the Wiki link. What a distinguished man. It’s too bad BHO didn’t hook up with him instead of Jeremiah Wright in the ’80s.
Voltimand – I’m not sure if Richard Fernandez meant admission to Harvard Law Review or a letter of endorsement to get into Harvard Law School. The latter would make more sense.
Perhaps he can check and clarify.
Voltimand,
He’s the Cornel West Candidate.
Forced into Politics after being “disrespected” by Neocon Ideologue Lawrence Summers.
What a Web is weaved by unintended consequences.
Actually, rather than bug Wretchard, I looked at the Townhall article and throughout the text it just says(help in getting) “admission to Harvard”.
The original article seems clear in referring to Harvard Law, not a law school publication staff.
Wretchard, I think it is Harvard Law School for which the letter would have been written. I am pretty sure that making Law review is largely a function of grades and academic performance after being accepted. I don’t think this is the kind of thing for which a recommendation letter is written. It makes more sense to me that Sutton wrote a letter to the admissions committee or to some colleagues at Harvard that he thought might have some pull. If so, nothing the least bit unusual. What I find intriguing is the hyperbolic language Sutton claims to have used, i.e. referring to Obama as a “genius.” It makes me think that Sutton didn’t only take Mansour’s advice, he al$o li$tended to it.
The sponsors of Obama are so drunk with the Onanistic pleasure of knowing they have the power to manipulate the information stream that they are completely ignoring the possibility that real lives are at stake. There is no reality for them, no there there.
Speaking of background, does anyone know anything about Obama’s mother post-Indonesia? Is she still living? Has she been interviewed? I haven’t seen anything.
oops Sorry for the double post but the second is flagged, my typo had missing link in the first one but of course link=flag.
W
In an earlier post you asked the rhetorical question: “Will any black man do?”, referring to the Obama candidacy.
Why Obama?
-He was educated as a Muslim & left that religion. That makes him an apostate…and we all know what happens to apostates of Islam. I wonder if he really ever left, given the Muslim proclivity to deceive for their purposes. His defenders will say that he was only a child. I wonder how the world’s Muslims view this?
-He has turned his back on his family in Kenya: something that is not looked upon favorably by third world types. So much for his ‘One World’ rhetoric.
-He is an avowed Marxist with no practical experience with capitalism, which he views as “a problem”.
-A ‘street organizer’s’ role is to raise money, by what ever means, for special interest groups. In Obama’s case, HE was the “special interest”. He’s never done anything for anybody but himself. What a self-promoting boorish nobody.
-And for all the race baiting, unpatriotic, etc, etc rhetoric spewing from the mouths of his friends, his spouse, himself, …No indication he would uphold the Constitution, promote democracy, etc.
Give me J C Watts as a black candidate any time. I would vote for him before McCain: but BHO?
Obama is the perfect storm.
@Japheth,
You want an SSN? No problem you can get a dozen of them up in Jackson Heights. For some of these confidence artists reality is like Phyllis Dillers true hair color. They may not remember it themselves.
@Starling,
Obama may want you to think that his Editorship (the Democrats inflated the title to President for the press) of the Law Review was a sign of academic acheivement but that is not true. Shortly before his time it was changed from a merit selection to a purely political choice by staff vote.
I think I have entered a nutcase world through a warp in time. You guys are loony.
@Robert Hurley,
Occam’s razor, or at least the small print on his wrapper, says that if you think you have entered a nutcase world through a time warp it does not follow that other people are crazy. Seek professional help.
According to Wikipedia, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization — growing the staff from 1 to 13 and its annual budget from $70,000 to $400,000. Anyone would expect Obama to have obtained reference letters supporting his admission to Harvard Law School from the community organizing circles in which he operated. And, it would not be surprising for a mentor or friend of the young Obama to seek out the most influential connections to write a letter of recommendation. Percy Sutton may have been at the end of that chain. A Dr. Mansoor may have been another link in the chain (but perhaps not the first connection to Obama). One of the links showed that Mansoor’s J.D. was from Berkely, so he may have written a letter of recommendation to that institution.
The pool of plausible candidates for admission to a top law school is very limited. As the Monopoly analogy goes, “you must pass ‘Go’ to collect $200.” Having the background to be a plausible candidate and a work history in a networking intensive business (community organizing), Obama certainly should have been able to get influential people to advocate on his behalf for admission to Harvard, Berkley, Northwester, University of Chicago and other top tier law schools.
From earlier this year, it certainly appears that the “community organizing” factions on the South Side of Chicago work accross the lines of religious denominations (Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan). After three years there, the young Obama must have known all the players.
Dr. Khalid Al Mansour is apparently some kind of arch-Islamist.
He has books out with titles like “The Destruction of Western Civilization,” “The Challenges of Spreading Islam to America,” and “Americans Beware! The Zionist Plot Against S. Arabia.”
[Link: http://www.halalco.com...
The video of Percy Sutton, linked in the article, has Mr. Sutton say that Al Mansour is friends with one of the richest men in the world. Obviously, there are a few Saudis could could claim that title.
Obama’s contact with Mansour must have been made before law school, because Mansour requested Sutton send the recommendation to get Obama admitted there. Obama started law school in 1988. That means he probably made contact with Al Mansour in Chicago. My guess is there is a Nation of Islam connection between Obama and Al Mansour, but that is just a guess.
Sorry, here’s the link.
http://www.halalco.com/al-mansour.html
Have you read Yellow Back Radio Broke-Down or Mumbo Jumbo?
@Doug, Cedarford
Whatever the letter recommending Obama in connection with “Harvard,” the center of gravity of my comment was Obama’s de facto position as editor of the Harvard Law Review, and his conspicuous–to those going looking for it–lack of a record as a legal scholar.
@Doug
The Cornel West ref re: Obama has its merits. Actually Cornel West in his recent outing against the Duke lacrosse team demonstrates that he’s a semiliterate re: the English language. That didn’t stop Vanderbilt from hiring him away from Duke (in the midst of this “seasons of the troubles”) which meant that Vanderbilt out-bid Duke monetarily. Lovely.
On the other hand, Obama is not a semi-literate, which is I suppose in some twisted way is part of his appeal. He beautifully articulates vapid (but gramatically correct) verbal noises.
I’ve just seen the podium set from which Obama will give his acceptance speech. He will speak in front of an arched colonnade behind which is the seating part of the stadium(50 yard line). http://www.drudgereport.com/otf.jpg
I don’t know if it is reminiscent of the front porch of the White House (which only shows 4 columns when viewed from the front), or the Brandenburg gate (which has 6 columns).
Picture this: Obama speaks with thousands of delegates behind him raising both arms to give the “O” salute.
Will there be someone of the caliber of Leni Riefenstahl to capture the moment?
BTW, Cornell West went from Harvard to Princeton, after a dispute with Lawrence Summers regarding West’s spending so much of his time and energy outside of academic duties.
the answer is this:
obama must release all his academic records and his APPLICATIONS so we can see everything.
did he claim to be a muslim – to benefit from “diversity” goals?
we have a right to know.
@Ricardo
If Cornel West were the only con-man (pardon: con-person) in academe that would be nice. But he’s not and it’s not. As David Horowitz’ latest bating of the eminently bateable world of American academe demonstrates, colleges in certain departments are loaded with people like him. That their colleagues in other departments take them seriously (if they didn’t they would know that their own credibility as faculty at their own institution is at state) is indicative of just how bad things are in academe. I watched before retiring in 2001 the evolution of this act of professional self-destruction close up and person.
I’ve just seen the podium set from which Obama will give his acceptance speech. He will speak in front of an arched colonnade behind which is the seating part of the stadium(50 yard line). http://www.drudgereport.com/otf.jpg
Why the greek motiffs. When I was 21 at Columbia which has similiar columns–I had a dream.
I dreamed that water flowed from higher pools to lower pools like you’ll see in greek and roman water works. The trouble was the higher pools were all saltwater pools. Somehow the water in the lower pools was freshwater. I wondered. How do the saltwater pools become freshwater pools.
One of the great innovations of the 21st century will be dirt cheap desalination. This one invention will (almost single handedly) double the size of the habitable planet.
Both Mark Warner and Hillary alluded to the fantastic rate of innovation currently occurring. As I listened to their speaches –what I heard was this;;”all we have to do is get elected and we can take credit for the fabulous innovations that will happen anyway.”
The central question is this:
Can he be President?
But this question has three subtexts:
1. Is he legally/constitutionally allowed to be President?
2. Are his past personal and group associations questionable enough in character that they will cause the voting constituency to not vote for him?
3. Does he have the life experiences that will allow him to be an effective Chief Executive of the United States?
As to question number one, the questions of legality are out there. But the question has historically been so audacious that to ask it now causes the questioner’s sanity to be questioned. Regardless of its factual answer, it cannot be asked with a straight face. So it is not a legitimate inquiry, given political realities.
Question number two shares some similarities with question number one. In the current climate of Political Correctness, any inquiries about his past associations, however ideologically disconcerting they may be, are off-limits. Such questions can only be thought of as based in racism. This is the most worrisome of the three subtexts, because there are so many society-wide issues bound up within it. Race and politics should not be joined at the hip. But yet they are.
Regarding question number three: because the first two subtexts are so easily dismissed in the current political reality, questioning his life experiences is the only legitimate means by which BHO can be attacked politically. It *should* be a potent attack (because there is so much substance to it), but it is the least potent attack of the three. It is a question of whether or not the Cult of Personality (symbolism) outweighs “Gravitas” (substance).
GWB was attacked for having no Gravitas (in spite of his business experience and being Texas Governer for more than one term). BHO is not being attacked for having no Gravitas (his only qualifications are minimally-successful two years in the U.S. senate, Illinois senate, law background and the amount of melanin in his skin).
This election will ultimately be all about which is more important to the electorate: symbolism or substance. Secondary to that will be whether or not Socialism is a valid socio-political system for the U.S.
I understand the draw and intrigue of trying to figure out who this mystery man is — our purported messiah.
But the hour is late. And we’re on the brink of entrusting someone with something we value highly.
Imagine that treasure being your daughter, and that “someone” a man who wants to date her. Would you spend five minutes listening to his tripe? Or tolerate his doublespeak? I don’t think so. You’d show him the door. With a kick in the rear for good measure.
Something we should have done a long time ago.
I’m depending on the men of our nation to come to their senses. The swooning women? Not so much — they gave us Clinton in the 90′s, I’m told.
Found the architectural reference:
It is the Lincoln Memorial.
Lincoln lost the senate race, but won the presidency. Let’s hope Obama, who already won the senate race, loses the presidential race.
Frankly, all this speculation based on not enough evidence is beginning to look ridiculous.
However, the underlying sense of anxiety and uncertainty about Obama that is driving this thread is perfectly understandable. Like the Clintons and all their disappearing documents and suicidal staffers during their stint at the White House, the Obama camp has created an air of sinister, disconcerting mistery about their candidate.
Also, while I’m ambivalent about all these creepy rumours about Obama, I frankly have no problem with legions of voters going to the polls in Novemember thinking that Obama is “some non-American Muslim from Nigeria,” or whatever other off-the-wall notions that “bitter gun-clingers” may have about the Democratic candidate. I want the man to lose, and if it takes ignorance and fear on the part of some crucial voters to stop a man of whom we may have to fear much, then so be it. Let us remember that the left that nurturerd Obama (the primary reason he should not be President), have always believed in achieving their goals “by whatever means necessary.”
This is not a time for us to play fair, so let the crazy rumors fly.
OT. Kremlin is planning something in Ukraina soon. But befor they do it, they seem to opt for a use a bit of sabotage to reduce Ukrainian capabilities:
A fire broke out at an ammunition depot of the Southern Operations Headquarters of the Ukraine Armed Forces situated near Lozova city of the Kharkiv Oblast on Wednesday. The evacuation of residents of the local military town has started.
According to an UNIAN’s sources from law-enforcement agencies, the fire broke out at 16:30. According to the information of the source, the fire spread over from grass to open ammunition depots, where there are kept 90 thousand tons of ammunition, including 80-mm mines and 150-mm missiles.
The situation is aggravated due to the hot weather and strong winds. At present, only two fire tanks are operating at the scene, others have not arrived as yet.
@2×4,
Thank you for that report. Can not understand why ammo dumps, bridges, rail lines and communication towers across Russia are not being hit. Is Gates such an idiot as to think it isn’t a war if we decline to show up? Not saying US forces but there should be thousands of trained willing Special Forces types from the former Soviet states eager for payback.
This looks very much like a black man who was a TV commentator/personality in the San Francisco Bay Area about more than 20 years ago. He did not originally carry a muslim name but subsequently changed it and became more radical in his message. He was a real huckster/hustler.
The name you are providing sounds like the name he used when he was in the Bay Area. Also the MO you are providing i.e. advisor to powerful men and vendor of health foods also sounds exactly like this man. Suggest you research Black TV commentators 30-40 years ago. At the time there were not that many. As I recall he had a weekly show on a local network on Sundays under the name Khalid al Mansour.
A context?
http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-269487.html
Ukraine ready to restore territorial integrity of Georgia
Ukraine is ready to take an active part in restoring the territorial integrity of Georgia.
President of Ukraine Victor Yushchenko said this in a statement on Russia’s recognizing the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
The statement recalls that on August 26 of the current year, President of the Russian Federation Dmytriy Medvedev, neglecting position of the international community, signed the decree on recognizing the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
The Ukrainian President stressed: “The tragedy of the Georgian, and, in particular, of the South-Ossetian nations, the military conflict between Russia and Georgia, became a tough challenge not only for the Caucasian region, but also for the whole civilized world”.
Victor Yushchenko stressed that the Moscow’s move threatens peace and stability in our region and at the European space, undermines the existing international order, violates the integrity of principles of the UN Statute as well as of other international legal documents, is an illegal change of state borders, and a sign of pressure and force interference.
Ukraine condemns the Russia’s recognition of independence of the separatist regions and calls on the Russian leadership to return to international legal norms and to follow the ceasefire principles.
According to the Ukrainian President, Ukraine expects the international community will join forces in restoring the territorial integrity of Georgia, and claims about its readiness to actively take part in this process.
Roderick Reilly’s right — get all that we can out there — voters have to know there are too many unanswered questions for him to be trusted.
He’s survived this long because so much has gone unchallenged, and so much remains hidden. What is it — only 68 days left to convince America?
Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al Mansour is also known as Donald Warden, a prominent muslim and black nationalist founder of the California based Afro-American Association (1962). Members of his organization included Black Panther founder Huey Newton, Bobby Seale,and Maulana Karenga (aka Ronald McKinley Everett, Ron Everett) who is the founder of Kwanzaa, a week-long Pan-African celebration observed each year from December 26 to January 1. Warden/Mansour is widely regarded as a mentor of Newton, Seale, et al. Though purely speculative, it is possible that Obama could have met Warden/Mansour when he was a student at Columbia University during one of his lectures.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Donald+Warden&btnG=Search
http://lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificapanthers.html
http://lemming.mahost.org/library/seize/seize1.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=F9Ap_5fNWFsC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=Donald+Warden&source=web&ots=TqOWOG3-Z_&sig=N83aSXJm2jK2hp925tcadVDSgTU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result
@Voltimand — you are confusing Cornel West with Houston Baker, formerly of Duke University and now teaching at Vanderbilt. Click the link and read about dear Professor Baker.
One of the more interesting curiosities of this election is the tenuous connection of the Obama, Ayers & Dohrn crowd to the Duke Lacrosse case and the inability of K.C. Johnson to see the connection. Johnson was one of the blogging heroes who did incredible work in exposing that sham set-up in Durham but, remarkably, he is (I think) a big supporter of Barack Obama.
Weird, weird, weird.
How does somebody who isn’t Muslim (Obama) have such deep ties to arch-Islamists? I am quite certain, but cannot prove, that the “investment activities” of entities like Kingdom Holdings includes the funding of salaries and weapons for the ongoing African jihad in Somalia, Nigeria, and Sudan, as well as African terror groups like GPSC. If the al-Mansour in question is the same guy, we have Obama being groomed by Islamic terror financiers *20 years ago*. That’s some mighty long-term thinking.
– Indicted Senator
Wins G.O.P. Primary –
Brilliant
August 27, 2008
THEY TOLD ME THAT IF GEORGE W. BUSH WERE RE-ELECTED, news crews would be arrested for photographing fat-cat political donors. And they were right!
Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic Senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown’s Palace Hotel. Police on the scene refused to tell ABC lawyers the charges against the producer, Asa Eslocker, who works with the ABC News investigative unit.
You can’t make this stuff up. And, once again, this just illustrates why we need freedom-to-photograph legislation. Thanks to reader Kevin Greene for the link.
posted at 03:56 PM by Glenn Reynolds
oops link
You can’t trust Obama, he’d probably hold hands with a Saudi prince or something like that if he became President.
Pasting below a couple graphs from a long Boston Globe piece about Obama’s Grad Student years. Here’s the link..
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/28/at_harvard_law_a_unifying_voice/
Noved to pass this on due largely to Volt’s comment – His time in academe has enabled him to be relatively clear about the ludicrous quality of Percy Sutton’s assertions of his influence over Harvard’s Law School – (Sutton – like his boy Rangel – has some serious backing up to do re Obama – the stalwarts of their Harlem Club backed Hillary – not the “Genius”.) But, just so Volt is all clear, OBama’s election was less a testimony to Harvard liberalism than to O’s capacity to disagree with conservatives w/o being prickly…BTW – a constant meme here is that Clubbers know so little about Obama – Guys – If you wanna know – the info is easy to find – Despite rumor-mongering, there’s no heavy, unanswered questions out there – No key to the Mystery – Unless you want to focus on his capacity to put together a much better organization than Clinton (Did you SEE Begala and Carville pissing on Mark Penn last night – How could she have won when her closest supporters hate each other!) Here are the graphs from the piece on Obama in Grad School…
The law review president’s election is a fussy affair, part intellectual debate, part frat house ritual. Obama was one of 19 candidates. As the 61 editors not running for the job debated the merits of the candidates behind closed doors on a Sunday morning in late February, the hopefuls cooked them breakfast, lunch, and dinner . Every few hours, the editors winnowed the list further, until just after midnight, when only Obama and a 24-year-old Harvard graduate named David Goldberg remained contenders .
At about 12:30 a.m., the editors called Obama into the room, told him he had won, and broke into applause. Mack, another black editor, pulled Obama in for a hug.
“It was a hard hug, and it lasted a while,” Obama told the Harvard Law Record, the school newspaper, at the time. “At that point, I realized this was not just an individual thing. . . but something much bigger.”
Obama gained instant fame, was profiled glowingly in newspapers across the country, and landed a contract for a book that would become “Dreams from My Father,” his best-selling memoir.
There was buzz on campus, too. Blair Underwood, the actor who played a black lawyer on L.A. Law, one of the campus’ s favorite shows, came to visit Obama at the Law Review and took him out for a Chinese food banquet. People who had helped pave the way were also moved.
“You should not underestimate the significance of him being the first black president of the Harvard Law Review because that was and remains a very elite group,” said Bell, now a law professor at New York University. “These were some tough folks. . . . It’s almost as impressive that he was elected president of the Harvard Law Review as him being elected senator of Illinois.”
As editor for two semesters, Obama spent 50 to 60 hours a week holed up in a second-floor office of Gannett House, a 19th century building overlooking Cambridge Common. He reviewed hundreds of articles, on topics ranging from corporate law to racial bias in auto pricing, and presided over long, heated debates in the cluttered first-floor lounge.
“Even though he was clearly a liberal, he didn’t appear to the conservatives in the review to be taking sides in the tribal warfare,” said Bradford A. Berenson, a former Bush administration lawyer who was an editor at the review.
“The politics of the Harvard Law Review were incredibly petty and incredibly vicious,” Berenson said. “The editors of the review were constantly at each other’s throats. And Barack tended to treat those disputes with a certain air of detachment and amusement. The feeling was almost, come on kids, can’t we just behave here?”
WAIT A SEC – WHiskey! – I just realized something – THE SECRET INGREDIENT BEHIND O’s MYSTERIOUS RISE – When he was cooking those meals for the Law Review editors – he SLIPPED em some of that secret Obama Juice!!!!!!!!! Since Wretch has all the Scoops here – hoping he can find the formula. Got to be somewhere online…
dueler88:
“The central question is this: Can he be President?
But this question has three subtexts:
1. Is he legally/constitutionally allowed to be President?
2. Are his past personal and group associations questionable enough in character that they will cause the voting constituency to not vote for him?
3. Does he have the life experiences that will allow him to be an effective Chief Executive of the United States?…
…Regarding question number three: because the first two subtexts are so easily dismissed in the current political reality, questioning his life experiences is the only legitimate means by which BHO can be attacked politically. It *should* be a potent attack (because there is so much substance to it), but it is the least potent attack of the three. It is a question of whether or not the Cult of Personality (symbolism) outweighs “Gravitas” (substance).”
Exploring those questions may be off limits to the sophisticated and politially correct Democrats, Main Stream Media and Academia.(ie. Progressives, Socialists & Communists),
Asking, and receiving answers to those important and penetrating questions is certainly not off limits to Republicans and Independant minded Americans.
@wretchard:
I do hope you have gotten better information on the topic than has been presented here in the comments (or that it exists).
“Khalid al Mansour” seems like it must be a fairly common Arabic-related name.
The amazing absence of Obie-mam’s associates from a huge part of his life is itself a matter of grave concern, as noted above.
All in all, however, I’m much more concerned about Russia’s escalation toward a larger hot war vs a complete collapse by “the West”. Thanks to 2×4, buddy, and LifeoftheMind for breaking in! Now watch, wretchard will have just posted something on that subject…
Rod Reilly sums up the world-view of too many Clubbers – “Let the crazy rumors fly!” – …Wretch – you want to distance yourself from this or are you signing on!!!??
“while I’m ambivalent about all these creepy rumours about Obama, I frankly have no problem with legions of voters going to the polls in Novemember thinking that Obama is “some non-American Muslim from Nigeria,” or whatever other off-the-wall notions that “bitter gun-clingers” may have about the Democratic candidate. I want the man to lose, and if it takes ignorance and fear on the part of some crucial voters to stop a man of whom we may have to fear much, then so be it. Let us remember that the left that nurturerd Obama (the primary reason he should not be President), have always believed in achieving their goals “by whatever means necessary.”
This is not a time for us to play fair, so let the crazy rumors fly.”
@Benj:
Wretch – you want to distance yourself from this or are you signing on!!!??
For myself, I don’t see that you have standing to raise such a challenge. If you don’t like the subject matter, tone, or tenor of comments, why not simply advocate for something you prefer?
fedya:
You mean just come right out and say he’s for an ignorant, inarticulate, thoroughly dishonest and corrupt candidate?
Gamlek, if he does so what? Bush has already been there, done that, got the T-shirt; which is why Baghdad is in ruins and not Riyadh (which had a hell of a lot more to do with 9/11 than Baghdad had).
I suppose it doesn’t matter; after all, the time remaining for Shrub to screw up some more and kill some more people is limited. What does matter is that the choice for next Leader of the West is between an empty suit and a geriatric zealot, the crooked lawyer having been kicked out of the race.
The rest of the West doesn’t like that choice much, and whichever of them wins the rest of us are going to suffer, and there isn’t a damned thing we can do about it.
Mansour looks linked to Saudis big-time, if his resume is accurate. I didn’t believe it at first. Thought Mansour was a scammer or resume padder. Then the 9th circuit citation above made me think again. Mansour isn’t such a small player after all. Now Sutton says a certain Dr. Khalid al-Mansour asked him to boost BHO into Harvard Law or the Harvard Law Review back when.
Wretch – you want to distance yourself from this or are you signing on!!!??
So what’s there to distance myself from? People can watch Sutton’s video for themselves. I’m not saying it. Sutton is. All I want to know is, whether it’s true.
“This is not a time for us to play fair, so let the crazy rumors fly.” Roderick Reilly
“Roderick Reilly’s right — get all that we can out there — voters have to know there are too many unanswered questions for him to be trusted.” Believer.
Wrong approach. We don’t take the approach of the leftists because we believe (at least many of us do) in absolute truth. Truth matters. Truth results in credibility. One of the reasons that the “Swift Boat” organization was so effective against Kerry was because their character, logic, and facts were unassailable. The term “swift boating” was created by Kerry’s Democrats to impeach the Swifties testimony via ad hominem innuendo, because it could never be done by the facts.
Facts, truth – get that out there. Questions? Sure, we can ask them were supported by some evidence. “Was BHO a rapist..?” is character assassination, whereas “Was BHO a closet Muslim? Did BHO benefit in his early years from hidden Muslim support? Was that support linked to Muslim groups or nations hostile to us?” is not. There are questions that BHO has not fully answered at this late hour, and any question about BHO’s past, rather then being met with full disclosure, is met by – once again, ad hominem attacks. The word is on the media street (my conjecture), to the effect “..don’t you dare go there .. don’t you dare explore a history of BHO which differs from the BHO campaign rhetoric, or you will be attacked as a racist, and your media career will be ended by BHO operatives”.
BHO has developed a “quick response” team, not to correct the truth or get information to the media and public, but to destroy anyone who raises the questions. Kerry did the same thing. The Clinton’s were masters of that technique.
So, in view of that, it’s easy to say “..hey.. the liars deserve it…” when negative press comes BHO’s way, but that’s not OUR way. We stand on truth, and truth will eventually vindicate us, and damage the spinners.
If you read the entire post, it’s pretty clear wretchard is just seeking some answers. I’m sure others have noticed he’s a curious guy.
I don’t want to chase conspiracy theories here, just the opposite. There are just two questions in my mind. Did a Khalid al-Mansour request Sutton to help BHO get into Harvard or the Law Review? Second, who is Khalid al-Mansour?
“BHO has developed a “quick response” team, not to correct the truth ” would have been better phrased:
“BHO has developed a “quick response” team, not to correct the record where misinformation exists…”
Truth cannot be “corrected”.
I have to ask if all this focus on any insignificant soul who met with Obama, and doesn’t meet the right wing agenda’s conception of American, isn’t based on racism. I recognize 6 racists who post here.
The only candidate with integrity is Barack Obama. McCain is a house boy to a rich woman. When he loses the White House, she will dump him for someone who can get it up.
Vote wisely!
“I have to ask if all this focus on any insignificant soul who met with Obama, and doesn’t meet the right wing agenda’s conception of American, isn’t based on racism. I recognize 6 racists who post here.” – Obama shill
Accusing someone who is searching for facts about your candidate of being a racists isn’t the best way to get your man elected. Also, that line of logic means only one thing: Your candidate has few real qualifications to stand on. You seriously need to get a good high school education; you might learn a few things.
By the way, my wife and kids are not white, but I am. I think Obama is not qualified based on the known facts to be a Governor, let let alone a U.S. President in a time of war. Does that make me a racist? Does that mean that I have to leave my wife to find a “good white woman” and adopt new kids?? I’m so confused about your intentions.
Obama Caught In a Far Left Bottle… Loses Conservative Dems
The Far Left, Marxist weaned, terrorist embracing, America-bashing, appeaser is losing conservative Democrats.
Imagine that? Gallup reported:
Within the Democratic Party, Obama’s losses are primarily evident among the relatively small group that describes its political views as conservative.
The 63% of conservative Democrats supporting Obama over McCain in Aug. 18-24 polling is the lowest Obama has earned since he clinched the Democratic nomination in June.
At the same time, there have been no similar drops in support for Obama in the preferences of liberal or moderate Democrats.
As a result of this, support for Obama among all Democratic registered voters fell from 81% in early August (Aug. 4-10) to 78% last week (Aug. 18-24). Obama’s support from Republicans over this period also dipped from 9% to 7%, while 42% to 43% of independents have consistently supported him.
Mansour was co-counsel for OPEC with Antonin Scalia? Wha?? Maybe Obama’s the conservative’s Manchurian candidate.
Mansour was co-counsel for OPEC with Antonin Scalia? Wha?? Maybe Obama’s the conservative’s Manchurian candidate.
I noticed that too. Of course Scalia didn’t go on to become a preacher for Islamic Studios and list himself as connected to Saudi Banks. However, it does suggest to me that Dr. Mansour was well known in certain legal circles. Sutton’s claim that Mansour was adviser to some of the “richest men in the world” acquires a surprising plausibility. But now this same Mansour is apparently into distributing videos out of supermarkets and promoting whole foods. Speculation can run riot; but I prefer facts.
I think it’s fair to say that Mansour is an interesting character, and Percy Sutton’s claim he was asked long ago to boost the “available genius” Barack Obama into Harvard Law becomes interesting as well.
New Obama Documentary to Examine Relationship With Capitol Bomber Bill Ayers
@fedya @1:26: I haven’t posted some other strings that’ve been turning up, fedya. Financial websites sending “we’re doomed” email alerts, whose authers, with a little digging are revealed to be importers of Russian orgone box-like alternate medicine devices. A military website with connections to a health food prophet & special Ukranian grains importer who also happens to generate 9/11 ”truther” memes.
There’s more –lots more –it’s just flat freaking nutz, once you start digging.
FBI warnings about the housing price rise –the other day my ear picked up some tv chatter, a Fox Business lady interviewing an investigative reporter named Bill Daley talking about an FBI agent who tried in 2004, when suddenly the “liar loans” came up everywhere, to get more agents into the mystery, and was told that ‘a flood of terrorism leads had all personnel overloaded’ and that “as the problem grew, the number of agents shrank, to a low in 2007″ –when the front end of the bubble, a handful of Auction Rate Securities, failed to find buyers, and the bust began. Daley quoted the agent saying it was not ordinary business, that “something else was happening, underneath”. Daley said “FBI has 200 agents on it NOW”.
On and on. The hedge funds, inside our big seven and thus unscrutinized, leveraging CDOs three times higher than ever before, while the ordinary legions of investors be-bopped along assuming just another standard price-bust of another normal bubble.
Oil and gold price spikes of extreme power just as house bubble starts busting, with huge volume & price swings on the NYMEX caused by just a few –one to four –accounts. Incoherent turmoil sending so many rational players to sidelines that even wilder swings go undamped by depth. Who are these accounts? Where are they from?
Fannie’s CFO and Risk Manager both just resigned, BTW, after mkt close today.
Yeah, but electricity is only 40 cents/kw on Maui!
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Yeah, but electricity is only 40 cents/kw on Maui!
“Hillary Supporters Phone Bank For McCain During DNC Convention”
I would *really* like to know who’s been and continues to donate millions into Obama’s campaign coffers. The big donations that he doesn’t want to talk about.
I have thought for a while that Obama has been bought and paid for by the House of Saud, but now it appears that maybe they’ve been grooming him for decades.
This would be something I don’t believe the United States of America has ever had to deal with before: an elected President who owes his position to an enemy state that paid for him to get there. It would be interesting to watch him take the oath of office — the sky opening up and a big hand of god reaches down to slap him for lying on the Bible.
How pathetic is it that the very best argument an Obama supporter can come up with in his defense is “racism”? I think that must be a measure of the stupidity of those who blindly follow his lead.
Orgone energy in its full sense was seen as a universal life force flowing through all things, and responsible for almost all observable phenomena; an omnipresent force in nature that could account for a wide variety of phenomena including, according to sceptical critics, “the color of the sky, gravity, galaxies, the failure of most political revolutions, and a good orgasm.”[2] Reich’s followers, such as Charles R. Kelley, went so far as to construe orgone as the creative substratum in all nature, and compared it to Mesmer’s animal magnetism, the Odic force of Carl Reichenbach and Henri Bergson’s Élan vital.
Investigation into orgone was effectively ended when Reich’s research was seized and destroyed by the FDA as unapproved medical practices wiki
Damned FDA. I’ve always wanted one of those orgone boxes.
@buddy larsen:
Incoherent turmoil sending so many rational players to sidelines that even wilder swings go undamped by depth. Who are these accounts? Where are they from?
Fannie’s CFO and Risk Manager both just resigned, BTW, after mkt close today.
Well, OK. It does seem to make sense that all that money, “foreign” and otherwise, looking for a “safe harbour” is going to always trump the Elliot Ness and The Feds, et al, by setting them off on wild goose chases or quagmires (Sarboxia, right?), or whatever else they’ve pumped and dumped dry. All that Saudi-Dubaiskii money is no doubt much more huger than little Georgie Soros, even.
So, it is no stretch to imagine that the party of the Already Rich (starts with a “D”) would be subject to fits of “reconstructed” candidate pimping while engaged in these shenanigens.
So, yes, if something concrete exposing that which is easily distinguished from moonbattery comes up, great. Maybe it “has to” for American of the [not world wide wealthy] Americans to continue.
I don’t know. I do think paying attention to either “Convention” is an abysmal waste of time. I think the entire blogosphere has turned to chasing “the big story” while ignoring “the real story” with a vengeance. Fatigue? Corruption? Who knows?
Russian build-up to war around the Caspian is more immediately significant than self-congratulatory PJM’ers or their Nutroots counterparts seem to be able to understand, and I don’t like that at all.
Nahncee – I would *really* like to know who’s been and continues to donate millions into Obama’s campaign coffers. The big donations that he doesn’t want to talk about.
I have thought for a while that Obama has been bought and paid for by the House of Saud, but now it appears that maybe they’ve been grooming him for decades.
You likely don’t want to hear it, but Obama’s earliest and most powerful donors guiding his career are 3 Jewish billionaire families. The Crown, Pritzker, and Klutznik Families – who opened doors and set up Barack and Michelle in a string of patronage jobs through their control of the U of Chicago Board of Trustees, directly and through proxies of employees, legal firms they have major business relationships (like Sidley), and through past proteges like Valerie Barrett.
He, and Michelle – are long-term projects of wealthy, “connected” liberal Jews – and some would add influential legal “Rabbis” like Avner Mikva – not Saudis.
And, in the last 4 years, added a significant new cohort of heavy-hitting billionaire players and financiers and real estate magnates in Hollywood-LA and NYC donating to him. Plenty of reform or atheist Jews donating to him from those ranks, but again, no Saudis.
Lifeofthemind:
@2×4,
Thank you for that report. Can not understand why ammo dumps, bridges, rail lines and communication towers across Russia are not being hit. Is Gates such an idiot as to think it isn’t a war if we decline to show up?
Gates is the adult, not a neocon armchair general in the grip of “endless wars for freedom!! sweet 3rd world freedom! fantasy”.
As an adult, Defense Secretary Gates said that “We spent 45 years figuring out how to NOT have Americans and Russians killing one another in direct conflict, and we are not going to start over Georgia.”
self-congratulatory PJM’ers
Present host excepted, of course.
Seems to me orgone energy is the same stuff as the Sioux wakan or the Melanesian mana. Capturing it in a box, however, is a great advance.
@Lifeofthemind:
C4 is watching. Loose quips sink… uh, something. AND, C4 is watching Jewish Liberals, too… er, why don’t I feel better now?
@bobal:
Good little troll. You’ll force Wretchard to start a new post with that drivel.
Blame Larsen, he brought it up.
RE Voltimand [...] led me to do an author search on Obama on “HEIN Online” which is the standard legal internet archive of all U.S. and some foreign law reviews. Searching Obama’s name turned up exactly no articles attributed to him by name. His name appears in a couple of footnotes as someone who gave the author some “good advice,” but that is all. [...]
Agree; and all I found about his scholarly abilities showed during his tenure at Harvard Law Review is that he was a guy who “listened” (when not busy building bridges). And we can go even further, at his distinguished 6 years tenure at Chicago Law. How many articles/papers did he write during his tenure? Per Lexis-Nexis: two entries JUST TWO entries mentioning his name. Wow!
Questions:
1) How many applicants for a Chicago Law position the school has normally, any year? What qualifications do they look for? How high Obama was on the list in the year when accepted there?
2) What is the average of papers/articles a Chicago Law professor writes any given year?
Answer?
Wretch – history and history in the making? – Did you watch what happened earlier today while you were encouraging credulous types to link to a Old man’s vague, self-promoting memories of influence…
One more time – Real Clear Politics – “Let the Crazy Rumors fly!” Is that your m.o.? Or do you want to distance yourself from the reader Reilly who assumes (on the basis of the idiocies being offered up here) that’s your m.o. Here’s what I think – maybe YOU do some research – see if there’s any basis for Sutton’s claim before you start searching after any Arab with the name invoked and a nasty resume…BTW – that’s how Said and Ahmad and the Nation Mag defamed Kanan Makiya back in the day. THey claimed one of his sources for Saddam’s atrocities was a British embezzerly. Turned out they had the right name, wrong guy and the Nation mag had to pay up…You’re likely to avoid prosecution I guess – but your ethics are worthy of The Nation…
With McCain I’m at my ‘last straw’ point of view.
I’m looking for any reason NOT to vote for him. Any reason. I’m like the mule, floating in the air because the cart is way too full.
I’m no Democrat, but this picture sums up my perspective.
Same pic here:
http://tinyurl.com/332zkf
On that scale then, what are Barry’s Ethics worth?
@bobal:
Blame Larsen, he brought it up.
Right you are (albeit not as his topic, just as a glancing put down of the sources he’d been reading). May I take it then, that you are not purposefully filling this rather dismal thread with inanity? Don’t answer that!
Maybe there should be a “Threads Watch” blog. Lord knows, I don’t want to be The Watcher.
Bobal, just drop a coupla D cells into yer skivvies
oops –i wrote re ”orgone box” before i realized complaints were piling up. Ok, here’s what, a lot of sloppy thinking over the years has got us in a jam, and now it looks like a planned job. either that, or we’ve been infiltrated by the Reds, and they are now everywhere. Maybe WE are the Reds –ever think about THAT?
Albright Live!
(I think)
Fedya, i read up on Moldova the other day –the Transdneister, along the Dneiper River (forgive sp). It is entirely within Ukraine, save for the river side. That may well be the next move. Already the public statements are being made, and Rus would have to barge through Ukraine in order to “save Russian citizens in the Transdneister”.
link
link
Wonder how well Romania’s economy is doing. Russia is neutralizing lotsa of memory with their new oil wealth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova
…about the size of Maryland.
A good liar always sells his deceptions when folks are distracted by other activities, characteristics or mannerisms. . A smile, exuberance, extreme confidence, all work to draw attention away from the deception. Women and effeminate men tend to be most vulnerable since they think with their emotional parts rather than using reason and empirical tests to disseminate.
And that’s why Obama gets by. He is nothing if not polite. He may be the most polite candidate amongst this recent group of primary candidates.
As long as the MSM & his machine (and now Biden) continue to insulate him from direct and real threats on his character & ideology, he will use his polite demeanor (and, as always, the race card) to schmooze his way to the White House.
The One has been sued in Federal Court as being ineligible to hold the office he seeks. The lawsuit seems to leave a lot to be desired in its language, but, Obama will have to answer.
Lawsuit Here
Scroll down to read the actual filing.
17. Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never
given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas Obama’s grandmother on his
father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports
reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was
prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy,
which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann
Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and
registered Obama’s birth.
Be nice if he could show this.
Barry and Grandma Sarah Hussein Obama 1980
They all like that name Hussein.
Who doesn’t?
Why don’t you ask Scalia, he’s quite talkative and his name appears on the roster for the Defendant/appellees, he had to have had more than one conversation with his co-defense.
I’m sort of late to this topic and I’m not through reading all of the above. I don’t want to latch on to any allegation that is not substantiated by solid fact. So, I’m with wretchard on that one. For the record (as most of you know) I am not an Obama supporter. I have nothing personal against the guy and have no axe to grind. I want to be fair to the guy; I don’t like piling on, which can backfire on you, as well as unjustly ruin a person’s reputation.
I don’t like the way he hides certain aspects of his intellectual formation, his ideological allegiance, and some of the people in his life. Not when the disclosure of these things go a long way towards answering the question, “Who is this guy?”
To my satisfaction, what I have gleaned about his background convinces me that he is NOT a Muslim and that Islam is not the most important influence in his life. The most important influences in his life are those ideas which animated the ambitions and projects of: his mother, his biological father, his mentor when he was a teenager, some of his college professors, and Rev. Wright.
There is enough there to convince me that he is not fit to uphold the Constitution and be the commander in chief of our armed forces. The voters of Illinois did think he was fit to represent their interests in the U.S. Senate. But that job is a far cry from the one he now aspires to.
Sorry, but most of your print lines are largely obscured by blank space, therefore unreadable. This may be an ‘archatecture’ problem. In any case I run into it now and then, as do friends.
A good bit of the internet experience is screwed up by really bad hardware and unforgivibly bad software. Lots of ‘engineers’ are screwing the pooch. It’s your pooch.
Please note that two lawyers were listed in the above column: “Antonin Scalia, Chicago, Ill., Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al Mansour, San Francisco, Cal., for defendants-appellees.”
Did Khalid Abdulla Tariq Al Mansour have some degree of contact at various times in his life with both a future U.S. Supreme Court Justice and a future nominee for president of the Democrat Party? How many people who live and work outside of Washington, DC have had similar contact? My guess: Not many, and surely even fewer (if any) who could be described as Muslims of African descent. I wonder what other information might be available about the case in question, as well as how the attorneys for the defendants-appellees came into contact with one another.
@buddy larsen:
Russia is currently trying to forge a deal between Chisinau and Transdniestrian separatists which would keep the rebel region as part of Moldova but give it broad autonomy.
Keeping it as part of Moldova… so as to have maximum leverage for calibrating the inflicted pain to the maximum extent, of course. Lesson learned: for Russians, “finally solving” a conflict means maximally extending the punishment they can impose. Is this what is called “Realism” in foreign affairs?
GErry – hit the refresh button when you get to one of those white blank spaces. It magically fills in then. I think it may be a Vista bug because it doesn’t happen on my machine at work.
Exactly. Only then can they punish Moldavians on pretexts arranged by the 1200 Russian ”peacekeepers” in Transdneister. check out how often Russians have moved ethnics around like chesspieces in that out-of-sight-of-the-world area. Note any Moldavian Peacekeeping Action means rolling across Ukraine. With predictable results.
what is the question? there’s no mystery about who is barry, nor what he is. an invited speaker at the democratic convention is ingrid mattson, an islamic fascist, president of isna, funded by mansour, with ties to the fanatical muslim brotherhood. her website calls for the murder of jews. the democrats were asked to disinvite her. they ignored the request. the only newspaper that picked up the ap release was canadian. the only question is, why are we monkeying around with this dangerous fraud, barry, and his strange candidacy.
“moving ethnics around” what an innocuous phrase, for keeping people forever miserable and poor, because why do anything that requires hope for tomorrow? Or any virtuous behavior at all, for that matter.
@buddy larsen:
Exactly.
Exactly. Y’know, if one is sufficiently cynical, one can really get a lot of mileage out of Wikipeedia. Part of that has to do with the fact that all sides of any pi**ing war or of an editorial putsch still depend on using language more or less common to all sides. Even if an article is hopelessly stuck in the 1907[?] Britannica or hopelessly racked and ruined by zealots, either the Britannica or the zealots have to use technical language common to their audience.
Google, Yahoo, etc. follow even if the “Links” section of a Wikipedia article is underpowered.
Personally, I’m looking for someone to make history’s first accusation of covert Russian manipulation of Wikipedia. Have I missed something?
If so, how far (i.e. to how many degrees of separation of related topics) did it go?
Given the abysmal performance of American “Journalists” reporting on Georgia, I’d imagine not too many people even care… To think, someone claiming to be an “Ossettian” is better established than someone claiming to be a “reporter”.
Denver Police
Judy, roger simon’s site has a thread on Deborah Wasserman-Schultz, making a similar point.
JihadWatch On Ingrid Mattson
@fedya –that’s what’s been troubling me about the mkts near-death episodes several times since late last year –last one in mid July. SEC had a many years-old “uptick rule” –you could only short on an uptic. Then abruptly, in July 2007, SEC dropped the rule (because it was making the new ETF instrument hard to fair-value), and suddenly hedges –including anonymous “dark pools” started just savagely hammering one victim after another, driving stocks and sectors down almost at will, then covering, going long, and driving it back up in the reduced resistance created by driving away the volatility-sensitive trade, then shorting again. A money machine –and then the naked shorting –illegal but no one stopped it –where you didn’t even need to own a claim on what you were trading! The really bad ARMs strted two years before, so that, all at the same time, in late 2007, the US financial system has four distinct new crises hit more or less simultaneously –oil & gold going parabolic (“speculators!”), stocks going haywire from that stupid rule change, the most highly-leveraged ARS (auction rate securities –see andrew cuomo) going bust, and real estate mkts freezing up in the hot spots.
I know, what rotton luck, eh?
benj:
I oppose any attempt to sink Obama’s candidacy through the use of lies and slanderous innuendo. I think Obama can and should be defeated fairly.
My concern about reports of Dr. Mansour’s possible help for Obama isn’t whether it is true but whether it is relevant. (1) Did Dr. Mansour’s letter have any effect upon Obama becoming the editor of the Harvard Law Review? (2) Even if Dr. Mansour’s letter was influential, so what? Even if the report is true, it is unlikely the letter was influential. And even if the letter were influential, Obama’s success in this position still depended upon his skills and his charm.
I perceive the subtext of the Mansour story to be about Islam. Let’s just be honest about it – Mansour is a Muslim name. And was Obama born a Muslim? Yes! According to Islamic law, any person with a Muslim father is a Muslim. Senator Obama was born to a Muslim father and he lived under a Muslim step-father while living in Indonesia. His full name is Barack Hussein Obama. There is nothing wrong with his name. Senator Obama is a Christian now (from the communion of the Trinity United Church of Christ), and I have every reason to take Senator Obama’s word for it. It is a strength of America’s political culture that people have a right to convert to another religion. It shows the strength of American values that, just as people are free to convert to Islam, a man born a Muslim and raised in Indonesia can convert to Christianity in America as a free man. Barack Hussein Obama’s story ought to be seen as a triumph for religious freedom.
Senator Obama has chosen to keep his Muslim middle name of “Hussein”. That is his choice. Still, I would have more respect for him if he would be proud of his full name instead of acting as though the name “Hussein” were a dirty word. I strongly suspect that Senator Clinton’s introduction on the convention floor on Wednesday as “Hillary Rodham Clinton” was no mistake. I think it was an oblique means to remind everybody of Senator Obama’s middle name. If we are all afraid of saying the word “Hussein” as if it were a dead body in the middle of the room, there is something wrong with our society.
I am annoyed whenever any political campaign uses dirty tricks, irrespective of which political faction engages in it.
As you already know, I oppose Senator Obama’s candidacy for President of the United States. However, I have considered the matter and I think Barack Obama would likely be a substantial improvement over the present leadership of Chicago. If Barack Obama were to run for Mayor of Chicago, it would be tempting to actually help out. Besides, in the long run, governing Chicago could give hesitant voters some idea of what an Obama presidency would look like.
As it is, I am annoyed by that halo around Obama’s head in his campaign literature. I have an annoying tendency to vote against anybody who seeks to crown himself with a wreath of light.
Ya talking about this http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1997_98/leg/fulltext/sr356.htm#status Al Mansoor?
It would not surprise me one bit that he could have asked for an influential man to write in support of an up and comer. However most influential men worth the influence they have would not have done so without at least talking one on one with the object of support. The halting phrases and sheer con-artistic glee with which the u tuber makes his claims leads me to believe he was at Woodstock too. And no doubt was there with Dr. King and by discociation knew “OH”‘s mom and dad at the point of immaculate deception, and therefore was well qualified to make the request of the regents at Harvard erm, Radcliff, ugh, Tufts, oh dear, the Harvard Lampoon.
Just my ah, observation. The guy is enjoying the limelight undeservedly.
i forgot to make my point, fedya, which was in re your observation that Kremlin might as well be writing certain sensitive wikis, i meant to conclude that it might as well be running key parts of the US financial system, too, esp if it also wanted to put a pacifist in the white house, the US in a depression, defund the US military, take over the Persian Gulf, and wrest the global system away from the Dollar, too.
Naaah. if that were the case, there wouldn’t be a Wiki on the Verona Project. oops –there isn’t.
Not to diminish Mr. Sutton’s achievements, but he never once mentions meeting or speaking to “OH”. That would have carried more weight toward a letter of recommendation than a request from an influential friend, no matter how influential. If Mr. Sutton was in the habit of granting such requests without the benefit of at least a phone interview then I would say he should add “lucky” to his name.
(check it out @ google news)
Russia Looks East After Criticism from the West
Deutsche Welle – 36 minutes ago
President Dmitry Medvedev met his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao and the leaders of four ex-Soviet Central Asian nations in a bid to secure support for Russia its standoff with the West over Georgia.
Video: Crisis in the Caucasus france24english
Georgia War Shows ‘Weak’ Russia, US Official Says Washington Post
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Uh-oh.
Alexis – Thanks for your comment. Bolsters my faith in the Clubbers’ sense of honor. Sure hope your response SHAMES Wretchard. God knows, I’m not the One to do that. Or course you’re right re the irrelevance of the letter even if it existed. My guess is that Sutton may have been aware of the young O pretty early. But there’s no reason to buy his claim a shady Arab was O’s rabbi – Let me underscore again that Sutton has some make-up work to do (inside his own head) since his pro-Clinton Harlem pols were against the candidate who went on to become the first Black American to become a nominee of a major party. GIven Sutton’s sense of his own legacy (Malcolm’s lawyer, Dinkins’ advisor etc.) – that’s got to be pretty embarrassing…
Man – Compared to Wretch – C-4 comes across as a model of rationality when it comes to Obama’s patrons…Though I have to add-on there – given O’s politics and the history of the American left – OF COURSE O would have major backers who were Jewish!
I’d urge anyone who’s interested in Harvard LAw School and minorities to check the Wiki entry on Derreck Bell – Black law prof who was fired from the Law School in 1992 over his protests on behalf of diversity – At that time Harvard Law had 90 profs. 3 blacks and 5 women. The notion that Percy Sutton was a HEAVY player at pale (and male) Harvard Law School back in that day is, ah, fantastic…
My concern about reports of Dr. Mansour’s possible help for Obama isn’t whether it is true but whether it is relevant.
The relevance is a second order problem. The first order problem is whether the incident is true. And the story was introduced in a context that was intended to be flattering to BHO by persons who are his admirers, as will be evident from the video. So the intent of those who introduced the subject into the public domain was to suggest that the Mansour incident was both true and relevant. It is not as if someone went dumpster diving to steal Obama’s childhood records or spied on him. No. The entire thing was recounted and raised by his admirers. That being the case, it hardly seems fair to object to discussing a subject they themselves have raised on the grounds of irrelevancy or untruth.
Fundamental equity requires that it cuts both ways. If a man’s supporters boast of something, why is it unfair to take their statements at their word? You will note that I was initially disinclined to believe Sutton, or maybe misgive his memory on account of his age, but was forced grudgingly to acknowledge from other web discoveries that Dr. al-Mansour was real.
But then we still haven’t established the facts very clearly. We don’t even know whether the Dr. Mansour described by Sutton is the Dr. Mansour web searches suggest. Maybe we can settle that first.
Appreciate your angle Wade – You’re seeing what I’m seeing. The fact that Wretch was so blind suggests he’s pretty much clueless about American movements of mind, especially when it comes to race matters. Or he’s just willing to run with any rumor that makes O look bad for a hot second as per Mr. Rod R.’s inspiring moral advice (and the “Obama Nation”) I’m now wondering – if Wretch and Rod and Co are willing to go all Machiavelli on O – where do they draw the line…I was struck by the ender from some poster earlier in this thread -
“I’m depending on the men of our nation to come to their senses. The swooning women? Not so much — they gave us Clinton in the 90’s, I’m told.”
Mix that sort of macho with a little methamphetamine…
As Al Green sang – “Leave your guns at home.”