He kidnapped her and kept her as his sex slave. When she was not sexually servicing him, she “lived” in a coffin-like box beneath his bed in sunny, sunny California. His wife knew all about it.
No, I am not talking about the ordeal of Jaycee Lee Dugard, who was kidnapped in 1991 when she was 11-years-old and who has just been rescued after an eighteen year captivity in the northern California home of Phillip and Nancy Garrido.
I am talking about 20-year-old Oregonian, Colleen Stan, who in 1977 was kidnapped by Cameron and Janice Hooker, buried alive in a coffin-like box and enslaved for seven years in southern California. The Hookers were a well-liked couple who had two children. Cameron was a 24-year-old bespectacled mill-worker at a lumber company. Janice was the kind of wife and mother who sewed, crocheted, entertained friends and who eventually worked at a nearby convenience store.
Here’s what the “average, mild, well-liked” mill worker did to Colleen Stan.
He sadistically raped her, but he also handcuffed, blind-folded, hung her by her wrists, gagged her, repeatedly near-suffocated her, chained her to a rack, whipped her if she cried out, starved her, beat her–and always kept her chained, both hand and foot, and confined in the box. It worked. After six months, Colleen was “broken.” Thereafter, Cameron allowed her to become the family’s house slave too.
Hooker was an S and M pornography magazine addict. In one such magazine, he had read about a Contract with a Slave to be enslaved and he had Colleen sign such a contract. It was all legal in his mind. But he continued to have Colleen wear a slave collar, forbid her to wear underwear, forced her to address him as “Master” and Janice as “Ma’am”–and he continued to hang her by her wrists, choke her into near-unconsciousness–again and again. For his pleasure. He forced her to continue to sleep in the box. He convinced her that if she ran away, that an (imaginary) “Company” of slave owners and traders would cut off each of her fingers and then crucify her very slowly; they would also kill her family.
Janice Hooker? Well, Janice (plain, bespectacled, with unkempt hair) wanted to stay married, wanted to please her man, but could not endure or satisfy his enormous sadism. So she agreed to a substitute, a sacrifice.
Christine McGuire, who prosecuted Cameron (but not Janice) Hooker, together with Carla Norton wrote a very chilling book about the case titled Perfect Victim. Hooker was found guilty and sentenced to 104 years–not long enough.
(These days, if he were a Libyan terrorist with the blood of hundreds on his hands, he might go free for “compassionate” reasons.)
Phyllis
Yes, we have to pull the details together, connect the dots, and gradually manipulate the focus, so that we can see in these cases–not as isolated and aberrant as the press would have it: as public-dreaming insights into the condition of our society–our shared so-called western civilization. Partly these young women (toddlers sometimes, adolescents sometimes, but female sacrifices all)are the designated victims and “mad-women in the attic”, abused by the insane on our behalf, and allowed by their spouses out of fear of failure and lonelimness.
Partly they are our sacra, our grotesque mysteries, our secret divine particles of power, ripped out of nightmares and waking-dread, to be held and hidden in holy shrines on our streets, so that we can be go through each day and night as though the world were safe and functional and our forgotten ideals were still in play.
If we don’t wake up, act quickly, and rescue these women-scapegoats today, we will all suffer a fate worse than death–cultural suicide and soul obliteration.
Norman
Norman
Law professor Jonathan Turley helps assist elderly convicts to spend their last remaining years outside the prison walls. But he makes one exception: child molesters! These individuals remain a risk to children even if they are severely restricted to moving around in a wheelchair. A burglar rarely sexually fantasizes about committing burglaries. The same is true of the vast majority of bank robbers and white collar criminals. Child molesters, however, almost always obsess about sexually assaulting children. These urges do not cease until they are placed into their graves.
Fourth, we learn that all bad people are men, and assume the converse — that all men are bad people.
Fifth, we learn that all women are innocent, even if they are complicit in horrendous crimes.
Is there no end to the anti-male propaganda? Suppose every time a woman did something bad — and they do, more often than you think — she was held up as a public example of the evil of the female sex? Suppose every man who did something wrong was exonerated, and some woman blamed for his actions? Then we’d have a mirror image of this article.
I 100% agree. I have never heard of a cured pedophile. Psychologists and police investigators of every stripe are in agreement on this. There is no treatment that has been found to achieve a permanent cure for this illness. Unlike other incurable illnesses such as many cancers — which, in any event, are non-transferable — and HIV, for which reliable precautions can be taken to prevent transfer, pedophiles are driven to “infect” others (and infection it surely is, as studies show that many male victims grow up to be pedophiles themselves). Since there is no cure, our only recourse is to protect society. And since most perpetrators claim to have no driven to commit these acts by forces beyond their control (“I can’t help myself”), I propose that a federal law be enacted (so that the sentence is the same everywhere in the U.S.) mandating life without parole — to be served in a psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane — upon FIRST conviction for pedophilia. And let those lawmakers be very detailed about the definition of the term. Let’s not use it to give a 19 year-old life in one of those facilities for sleeping with his 16 year-old girlfriend while plea-bargaining down an incident like the one I once covered as a reporter, in which a 50-something year-old man raped a 10 month-old (that’s not a typo; the child was less than a year old). The flaw in this ointment, of course, is that we still can’t get them off the streets until they have preyed upon at least one innocent victim, but I guess this is as close as we’re going to get.
Pedophilia is an incurable disease, but it is not contagious. It is being protected by a different disease, the Marxist-Islamic Alliance, which, unfortunately, is very contagious. The media avoid exposing crimes committed by Muslims because they have caught a mild case of Marxist-Islamism.
A story not connected to pedophilia illustrates a recent example of Marxist-Islamic cooperation. Bloomberg news http://www.bloomberg.com has reported that the United arab Emirates has stopped a ship from North Korea laden with arms that was on its way to Iran. North Korea, for reasons nobody will ever understand, hates Israel and fought against it with its own pilots in 1967 and 1973. It is now committed to helping the Ahmadinejad regime. The press, stupidly silent about cases of sexual abuse, is even more stupid and silent when it comes to the arms traffic between North Korea and Iran.
I have to respond to Evil Pundits statment:
“Suppose every time a woman did something bad — and they do, more often than you think — she was held up as a public example of the evil of the female sex? Suppose every man who did something wrong was exonerated, and some woman blamed for his actions?”
Hey Evil Pundit, what world do you live in? Women have experienced being called the “evil” for thousands of years, watching men being excused for their nasty deeds. It started with that old story with a famous couple that you might know. Ever heard the story of Adam and Eve? Ever heard of a “double standard?” Women live under it 24/7. It’s called misogyny. It’s called sexism.
What …annoys… me is that, at least on one or two occasions, the neighbors reported that children were present on the property of a child sex offender who was on parole, and other than a cursory police “investigation” (which couldn’t have been too “exhaustive”, or they’d have found the kids or at least evidence of same), there was apparently no action from the parole authority.
Never mind a lawsuit by the girl’s family (they have an excellent case, IMPO). The parole authorities in this case need to be in front of a review board, now. And frankly (also IMPO) they need to be removed from the government payroll, as they have shown no evidence of competence in their jobs.
As for the offender himself-
Parole Violation.
Go To Jail. Go Directly To Jail. Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200, And Forget About Ever Being Out of Stir Again. Period. Dot.
clear ether
eon
This is another repeat offender tragedy.
There is your problem and solution laid out for anyone with any moral fortitude.
Hogwash! The men should suffer the tortures of the damned for decades, then be put to death — all in front of the victims and their families if they so wish.
But the women are almost as guilty. Crapola that they were brainwashed to help the monster. Sexist crap. Just like women teachers that get off lightly or with zero punishment when they molest young boys in their care.
Get help, Lady. You are an enabler as much as those nutty wives.
I wonder why the parole board, and the police, were so willing to ignore the fact this man had children on his property (although he was on parole), and why they made such a cursory search of his property. Were they being bribed, or were they somehow complicit, like the wife?
“there are many more such stories out there. Children and adult women are routinely kidnapped in epidemic numbers”
Not to belittle the monstrosity of the crimes, but instead of immediately going for the fear jugular and screaming “epidemic” would you mind providing a little facts to back up this conclusion that there are “many more” such stories and that children are “routinely kidnapped”?
I’m tired of people picking up their favorite cause/outrage and trying to make it seem commonplace in a hysterical attempt to get people to pay attention.
Oh, but there is a cure for pedophillia. There is….
Just another right wing religious extremist tortured by his repressions and living out his fantasies. Sounds like he’d make a helluva governor down Carolina way.
http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com
This man & woman should be placed in solitary confinement until their death. Let them spend the rest of their living life in a environment where they can spend countless hours, days, years contemplating why they did what they did. As they obviously are already criminally insane maybe they would go mad and become basket cases living out their years under restraint in a strait jacket or strapped to a bed.
I could think of some other things to do to them but the law would not allow such. Too bad….
David Thomson states that they will take their fantasies of pedophilia to the grave. I say let’s hasten the day. A hollow point to the skull will end that demonic evil once and for all.
Evil Pundit turning an account of atrocious crime like this into a spiel about sexual politics is pretty repulsive in its own right. What are you going to do next; blame the girls that were tortured for enticing the monsters?
There is definitely something flawed with our laws when they do not vigilantly protect our most innocent of human beings and bring real justice against the perpetrators. How many times have people given the benefit of the doubt to evil people while questioning and grilling and even blaming victims? Sickening.
Rapists/Serial-Killers/Pedophiles are a menace and a pox on society, and those criminals who commit such evil should never be released under any circumstances to have the chance to prey upon the innocent again. EVER.
“The Jaycee Dugard case shows us that the U.S. isn’t immune from the kind of horrors perpetrated by Austrian monster Josef Fritzl.”
Most hilariously unironic statement I’ve heard in a while. Add ‘modern pyscho’ to this list of modern, right-wing American contributions to the world. Notice how all the good ones happened over half a century ago? What happened to you people?
1) Apple Pie
Illegally invading other countries because Jesus says it’s cool
2) Massive segregation and incarceration of minorities
3) Baseball
4) The legalization of AK-47s because the King of England is coming
5) The assembly line
6) Your awesome health care system you spend more than any other country for, producing the worst health standards in the western world.
7) The Marshall Plan
9) Landing on the moon
10) Fox News and it’s emotional manipulation of an entire swath of morons who long for an America that, thankfully, never actually existed.
The reason we have such an elaborate (and yet, lacking) system for monitoring sex offenders when they are released is because we know their proclivity for recidivism (despite shoddy “research” claiming the opposite) but lack the public will to sentence them fully for their crimes — the public still wallows in sympathy for them. Law professors and journalists and criminologists dream of freeing “wrongly convicted” men (many of whom are not actually innocent), while nobody helps this brave woman who is fighting to keep her offender in prison so he does not attack more elderly women: “Afraid That Her Attacker Could Return.” http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rapist-release17-2009aug17,0,4146147.story.
I hear this story all the time: the victims want to go ahead with prosecutions, but they are told it will be too upsetting. Actually, we don’t fund prosecutors and courts enough to try even a fraction of cases — that’s public will too. So the victims are denied their day in court, and their cases get shelved. Then the offender is out again and committing more crimes. There are thousands of sex crime recidivists walking the streets, and there is neither zero tolerance nor moral outrage about it: instead, the new Justice Department is working in tandem with activists who are trying to do away with life sentences. They have begun making noises about rolling back minimum mandatory sentencing laws too, all the work we’ve done in the last 25 years to get sex offenders behind bars.
So expect more rape in the future, and emboldened criminals.
When we stop romanticizing offenders, we may then actually start trying to stop them. But that is not the direction in which Eric Holder wishes to take us.
And to Pelaut, a coward too afraid to use his or her real name: learn to read. Also, you’re wrong about sentencing patterns for female offenders.
So how did ‘nuttier-than-a-fruitcake’ Norman Simms comment (2.) make it and not mine?
That’s right, the mad can spew their dribble, as long as it ain’t commie dribble. God Bless ‘Merica
Ha!, didn’t even see Evil Pundit’s comment that made it. You publish a comment that turns the conversation away from a tragic story about young woman who was sytematically raped for years into a ‘poor us widdle men’ discourse, and not mine?
You wrote: They are quiet, well-liked, often quite charming men.
Indeed they are, that is how they are able to fool all their victims and enablers INTO TRUSTING THEM. Unless you’ve survived one of these types, you would find it very hard to believe–almost impossible–they would be capable of such horrors, but they are. Part of enabling is just out-and-out denial that their loved one is really a horrible person. They don’t want to face it. They can’t afford to face it, because then they would have to take action against this soft-spoken, charming, oh-so-wonderful bully, and they are just too cowed into submission to “betray” the one they “love.” They are already living in hell–who wants to make that hell worse?
This is the mind of an enabler, always making excuses for the bad behavior. Unfortunately, excuses is all they have, until the day comes that the law gets involved, or they wind up financially ruined or even dead.
Hey California, I have a deal for you…give me a week, no make it ten days, and I will be happy to take these two wackos off your hands and lock them in a backyard shed of my making. Only one catch, they are not going to last 18 years…
the press has already started…”why didn’t Dugard escape sooner”..
Well hell, try putting yourself in her position…kidnapped at 11, raped, kept in solitude, giving birth , at such a young age.
Yeah, that’s our society, blame the victim and her kids.
Tina Trent #20
It seems we have to brace ourselves and jail people permanently for their proclivity alone, not just discrete criminal acts. That is and should be a hard step to take because of where it could lead, but that’s where we have to exert our will.
Meanwhile, we could also try to reverse the tide on our society’s hypersexualizing of adolescent girls. (Lots of luck to us with that.)
15. Now and Then:
TROLL BAIT:
Now you pissed me off.
Try this perverted Shiite in NC or SC and we will spray your ass with automatic weapons fire.
Just ask the clown that was a wanna be serial killer in SC what happened when he stepped into NC.
gave him a dirt bath.
We don’t carry weapons in the back windows of our trucks just for show.
Marcia Pappas, thank you for providing an example to illustrate the point I was making.
You seek to demonise men by falsifying history and accusing men of doing what you do yourself — blaming the opposite sex for all bad things. It’s called misandry.
Is this based on any real study, or just on the idea that for every fish that jumps, there are 50 under water?
A few years ago there was a case outside Spokane where the rapist got his *girlfriend* to go along with him. Fortunately, he was caught early and the victim rescued.
Pretty pathetic women who support men dehumanizing another women. They really need a copy of “he’s just not that into you”. They also need to be charged and locked away forever – they enabled the victimization, and there is no guarantee they won’t hook up with another slimeball, let alone that they would enable that slimeball to victimize other women.
12. BettyBl;ue:
I wonder why the parole board, and the police, were so willing to ignore the fact this man had children on his property (although he was on parole), and why they made such a cursory search of his property. Were they being bribed, or were they somehow complicit, like the wife?
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The one officer who responded was lacking in taking seriously/suspicion regarding the legitimacy of the call. (sadly, a far too common occurance – but then we have people who sue the police for asking questions then wonder why they don’t.) It is also unknown if the responding officer knew he was a sex offender/pedophile, though the sheriff’s dept had the record.
Reports coming in now from investigators on the scene are you had to actually look for the series of sheds and tents in the backyard. Just a cursory walk around you wouldn’t see them.
The woman who reported the children had to go against her husband telling her “some people just live that way”. (not realizing just how serious it was.)
Homeboy, you taking way too much credit trying to label your asinine comments as those of the “rest of the world”. There are no doubt lots of fools out there but few as incomprehensible as you.
First how exactly is “modern psycho” a contribution of “right wing Americans”? I would say seeing as the left is the defender of kiddie porn, NAMBLA ,criminals walking the streets,etc. they are far more complicit in the rise of psychos acting psychotic in our streets.
Nice list there. How many days on meth did it take you to compile that? Baseball, apple pie, moon landings and the assembly line are some serious national sins. I doubt we can ever atone for those.
The Marshall Plan was truly evil. It’s probably right up there with the Holocaust and the Cambodian genocide. You’re not German are you or Austrian? Maybe you hate the Marshall plan because the author mentioned Josef Fritzl. That sounds like liberal logic in action.
Point#4 AK-47′s aren’t legal in America and (p-s-s-t guess what, England doesn’t have a king)
#2- Hey it’s 2009 not 1960, Einstein. There never was massive segregation only in parts of the South. I’m guessing you live in Europe so your colonial history of oppression is pretty sterling in its own right.
#6 I refuse to comment on this because it’s a run on sentence, a sure sign of your abject stupidity.
Jesus thinks war is cool. Who would have thought that when He said “Blessed are the peace makers…”
I don’t watch Fox News, but where do you get your info: Alex Jones, Pravda, The Weekly World News, transmissions from aliens via your fillings…?
What about the many pedophile priests from the Catholic Church? They were moved through out the many dioceses protected by the Church. How many were ever indicted for their crimes against young boys?
I agree that pedophilia is a lifelong affliction. So why are these people EVER released from jail? Even one incident should result in a mandatory life-term. I don’t understand why our society is so easy on them.
I also agree that the women accomplices are just as guilty. How could any person stand by and witness what some of them have? Unbelievable.
Byron I’ll finish for you.
1. 148 gr wadcutter .38 spl behind the ear.
2. cast adrift on gardener island.
3. dropped into the depths of antartica naked.
4. dropped into a great deep hole in the earth.
5. run down by a bus.
6. etc.
Obaoy Troll Lies for the day!!
2) Massive segregation and incarceration of minorities
Segregation ended some time bac. Incarceration- gee, look at the crime-rate breakdown.
4) The legalization of AK-47s because the King of England is coming
Full-auto AKs are illegal, dope- and it’s the aforementioned criminals, not poor old Liz Windsor. Wotta strawman!
6) Your awesome health care system you spend more than any other country for, producing the worst health standards in the western world.
Bullshit. Pure bullshit. Condition by condition, procedure by procedure we have the best outcomes in the world. Here’s a hint, troll: mean life expectancy at birth is a worthless stat for this purpose.
Illegally invading other countries because Jesus says it’s cool
Congress authorized them by joint resolution with reference to the War Powers Act. Not to mention the existence of a state of war with Iraq commencing 16 Jan 1991. Completely 100% legal, doofus.
And the Jaysus thing is just another moronic strawman from the dumbass Left, of course.
10) Fox News and it’s emotional manipulation of an entire swath of morons who long for an America that, thankfully, never actually existed.
That’s just too funny for words. So, which Eurohellhole are you driveling from, troll?
Calvin Ball:
Tens or hundreds of thousands of women across the Arab world. It’s estimated that there are over half a million chattel slaves in Mauretania alone, most of them women kept as concubines.
The only solution for pedophiles is execution: they can’t be cured, society can’t afford to let them loose to prey upon the innocent, and there is sure as hell no way society should give them free room and board for the rest of their lives.
I am not surprised, but deeply disgusted, at the number of trolls online here who insist on referring to this piece of scum as “right-wing”. On what conceivable evidence? That he claimed to be religious? Like Teddy Kennedy? Conservatives of my acquaintance do not kidnap, rape, enslave or sexually molest children, and would not be tolerated in any conservative group I know of if they were even credibly suspected of such. But Liberals have been known, not only to do that, but to defend it. Ever heard of the national man-boy love association? How many of those creeps vote Republican? Ever read reviews, or seen the ubiquitous TV interviews of those who celebrate “child sexuality”? Lots of Conservative in that crowd, huh? Whole bunch of committed Christians, right?
Anything works for a cheap political point, right?
All of this sexist crap is just nonsense and dump the religious/political crap along with it.
There are large numbers of people out their who engage in this sort of behavior.
Race, religion, and sex of the perp have nothing to do with it.
There are lots of wealthy elites who bring in illegals from around the world to be their slaves on their neo-plantations serving as housekeepers, gardeners concubines (or catamites), .
A couple years back we had a wealthy Filipino couple (I think they were both doctors) here in Milwaukee who had enslaved a girl they smuggled in from their home country who was treated in much the same manner. Everyone that knew them thought they were a wonderful loving couple who supported culture and were considered pillors of the community. The wife was the nastiest of the two apparently.
Evil is evil and it puts on a lot of fronts.
Someone should bring up how many women Teddy Kennedy and other members his family (and the rest of Congress) have sexually assaulted while you’re at it. The number would astound you.
On topic:
Our justice system is a joke. Make the laws tougher and keep the repeat offenders off the streets. If the prisons are full, kill them off starting with the worst crimnals.
On sexism:
Ever heard of human nature? Both men AND women are HUMAN…you fill in the rest.
Here’s the key fact conservatives won’t face: Garrido was arrested when he attempted to use his sex slaves to stage a religious rally in Berkeley. So this champion of old-school patriarchy was finally stopped by the much-maligned female cops of far-left Berkeley. Nobody from his conservative home town of Antioch noticed anything wrong. The local sheriff even apologized for the oversight, as if that helped anything.
Religious extremist and child abuser brought to justice by buzzcut Berkeley female cops. Any thoughts on that, my family-values friends?
In extreme situations, the theory should be that it’s better to be tried by twelve than carried by six (or in these cases, enslaved and raped by who knows how many). There are worse things than death.
We need to teach young people effective self-defense. Kidnapping and murder are capital crimes, and if someone is attempting to kill or kidnap a person, that attempt must be met with the most deadly force one can muster. These situations don’t occur very often in our everyday lives, but, like CPR, it’s good to be trained in some way to deal with the emergency if it does occur.
37, that wasn’t what I was asking. Phyllis went from two anecdotes in the US and one in Austria to an “epidemic” without mentioning the Arab or Muslim world at all.
The Arab (and particularly the Gulf Arabs) world is a different ballgame completely. It’s impossible to get accurate numbers there, but the evidence of femicide and slavery on a large scale there is overwhelming.
In the west, there should be semi-reliable estimates based on scholarly studies of just how widespread this is. That’s the piece that’s missing here; she simple went from a couple of anecdotes to an epidemic.
And btw, this article is about kidnapping and long-term slavery, and specifically about how there are generally female enablers in these situations. Comments about the Catholic priests, etc. are off topic, and only confuse the issue.
“evil pundit”, nowhere in this article does Phyllis say or even imply that all men are evil. That comes from your own paranoia.
“The rest of the world”, I’m sure you come from some loser backward country or perhaps europe, which is about to become a third world islamic caliphate. So naturally you resent and envy America and are thrilled when you can find any story which you can use to show how “bad” we are. But the fact is that America remains the greatest country in the history of the world, including having the most advanced health care system while you wait in line and have rationing. You can keep your socialism and socialized medicine, we don’t want it. I also hope you are looking forward to a future under sharia law.
“Illegally invading other countries because Jesus says it’s cool”
…………………….
Instead we should be like the feckless pacifists of Europe who prefer to be invaded and even welcome their enemies inside and accommodate them with sharia law.
Ked, none of this really sounds convincing. The woman may have had to go against her husband to report the guy, but, nonetheless, she did report him. And, considering the nature of his crime, and the fact he was a parolee, investigators really should have done more than a cursory exam the property. Like, looking at all the sheds, etc., on the property, it shouldn’t have occurred to them that maybe, just maybe, kids could have been hidden somewhere in that maze? Hmmm, it’s a thought, right?
The cops in this case sound as if they were either complicit, or incompetent in the extreme. Cops do get sued for asking questions; nonetheless, sometimes questions should be asked. They can also get sued for not doing their job, and I hope the girl’s family, and the girl herself, consider doing that.
“…the wives were passive enablers, perhaps also brainwashed, or terrified. Sadly, predictably, women are often complicit in the savage sacrifice of other women. ”
If you want that to change you might start by stop making excuses for her cruelty. Would you say that women in the South who had slaves were brainwashed and that it was all the men’s fault? I am sure in retrospect, you would say no, but put it in a modern context and you say yes.
Evil Pundit, let me guess: Women really don’t like you much at all. In fact, they pretty much despise and reject you… and that really ticks you off. Obviously there’s something wrong with all of them.
The problem is, everybody around you knows why women don’t like you–except you.
47. BettyBlue:
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yes, the police should have done a better job. But from what investigators are saying, if you went in the backyard, all you saw were trees, you didn’t see the sheds or tents to even know they were there. Yes, his parol officer should have done a better job, especially after reports of him having children with him. Many people dropped the ball – not because they were bribed or in cahoots (and those suggesting that was the case will not be taken seriously), but simply not connecting the dots (we all have our “duh” moments) or possibly not trying hard enough to do their job. I’m sure there will be investigations over the missed opportunties – in the meantime, I pray this young woman and her daughters, as well as the extended family, get the help they need to move forward to be able to lead a satisfactory life in the real world.
I hope they all get raped and murdered after torture in jail.
There is a permanent cure for pedophilia and sexual abominations like this: the medical term I believe is the “deletodictomy.” Even the pedophiles would see the justice in this since even they realize the damn equipment was never anythihg but “Trouble” with a capital “T” anyway. Then, without the physical desire if they do it again just for the psychological thrill, then give ‘em the chair.
Wow. The responses here are telling. Chilling, actually.
The fauxgressive blogger boiz really do hate women. Don’t they?
Dr. Chesler, don’t ever back down. Don’t ever give in.
This is clearly war!
SYD
Oh and… Betty Blue may be correct.
At the very least, what we are witnessing here is carelessness on the part of a parole officer. Extreme incompetence.
At worst … the officer (perhaps unconsciously) is covering Garrido’s tracks.
There is NO WAY a known pedophile should be reported as having children on his property … without a full scale investigation.
Austria had Joseph Fritzl. America had Charles Manson and now Phillip Garrido and his enabler wife Nancy.
Monsters. Insecure sociopathic narcissist megalomaniacs. Human slavers. Sexual deviants. Brutal, murdering, torturing sadists.
I think we can all agree these are evil people. The worst of humanity.
What then should we think of the prophet of Islam, Muhammed?
Muhammed was a sadistic sociopath, a murdering megalomaniac, a slaver, a torturer, a mutilator, a slave master, a human trafficker, a terrorist, a sexual deviant, a rapist, a sex trafficker, a thief and a looter, a misogynist, a paedophile rapist, a genocidist.
Muhammed made Fritzl, Garrido and Manson look like schoolboys. He was one of the most vile and evil men in the pantheon of human history.
Yet, somehow we must revile Fritzl, Garrido and Manson while revering Muhammed as a “holy prophet”. WHY??
Why can’t we understand that Muhammed was the man who set the standard of evil which has never been equaled. He set the standard for Islam.
The Koran fetes Muhammed as “an excellent model of conduct”. Is there any reason why we are surprised when we hear of Islamic honor killings? of Islamic acid attacks? of pre-pubescent Islamic “wives”? of Islamic decapitations? of Islamic amputations? of Islamic rape brigades?
Read the Ahadith and Sira about the life of Muhammed. Read what his 9 year old wife said. Read how his 15 year older wife Khadija served as his enabler and fed his megalomania. Read the vile and disgusting acts of the “prophet”.
Islam is it’s own pathology. It is the legacy of one of the most sick and sickening men in human history, Muhammed. How could anyone follow this demon?
~ The Infidel Alliance
Here’s a solution : an underground manhunt – don’t ask, don’t tell – shotguns only, no bullets to trace.
Yes. Of course men commit more sex crimes than women. Get over it, men. A lot of ya’ll are a bunch of skeevy, disgusting perves. Child sex tourism I highly doubt would exist without MEN:
http://www.worldvision.org/content.nsf/learn/globalissues-stp
-And, lock the women up too who would HELP foster men who are skeevy pervos.
I’m not a man hater. I’m a skank, perv, rapist, pedo hater.
SUE ME, biotches!
Well said infidel alliance!
Actually I think that the women are excused and unless you teach women how to fight and assert their will you will never see a fight back. I DO THINK THE WOMEN ARE EXCUSED. I DON’T THINK THE WOMEN COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. AND UNTIL THIS DAY EVERYONE IS JUDGING WOMEN BUT YOU STILL DON’T SEE WHY ASSERTIVENESS TRAINING IS NECESSARY. HOW IS SHE COMPLICIT ? DO YOU THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE RISEN UP AND DECLARED WAR AGAINST HER HUSBAND ? I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT YOU CLAIM TO KNOW WOMEN AND EXPECT SUCH THINGS.
for those who wonder why the police, parole board human rights groups etc …allow these things or look the other way ..I need only point to the comments from the trolls.
they are the same ilk. NO I DIDN”T SAY THEY WERE PEDEPHILES, but they are enablers.
Ifeoma: You are another misandrist who blames men for everything.
What could the wife have done? Stepped into the door of any police station, anywhere, and put an end to it at no risk to herself.
But she actually helped in the kidnapping, and conspired with her husband for 19 years. She’s as guilty as he is.
As for those who insist that women are immune from being evil, bear in mind that the majority of murders of children are carried out by their mothers. And I don’t mean abortion, either.
Stop blaming everything on men if you really want to make things better.
Time for another fruitcake comment:
There are three issues involved here:
(1) individual perpetrators and their spouses, and the Stockholm Syndrom of victims–there are always psychotics waiting to explode into action given the opportunity;
(2) the failure of police, parol officers, social workers, and neighbours to pick up the clues or to respond to calls for help; and
(3) the group phenomena of society that only acts and responds at specific times to fulfill functions based on shared fantasies and repressed pains.
Treating each case as an individual, discovented instance hardly solves anything.
Calling for greater accountasbility and transparency, as well as for more funding to have larger numbers of well-trained staff on the spot all the time is a good idea but runs into walls of denial and disguised sado-masochism in the system itself.
Recognizing that we live in a large, extended (transnational, as well as trans-ethnic and trans-regional) human family, where we are all responsible for one another, and where we have to act on those responsibilities is the hardest thing of all.
Is that so nutty?
In the bigger picture, if these criminals were wealthy and famous they would have been accomadated in their perversion and the prosecution of them would be effectivily obstructed.
Knowing the proclivities of the FBI, (in CA especially), it is very possible for politcial reasons and kickbacks the FBI keeps a dossier of these monsters so they can blackmail or divert the media from the monsters they work for. Period.
Discuss….
For those who have given opinions about recidivism etc. regarding sex offenders, here is some research on the topic.
http://ccoso.org/library%20articles/mythsfacts.pdf California Coalition on Sexual Offending: Myths and facts. Good short introduction.
http://ccoso.org/library_articles.php#Recidivism
California Coalition on Sexual Offending. Extensive library on recidivism and other topics related to sex offenders
What everyone’s missing here, re the issue of the wife’s guilt, is this: her husband actually went to prison on a parole violation, according to what I read, for several years. This was *while* they had the young woman kidnapped and enslaved. I could buy a woman being afraid of a spouse for an afternoon, a day, a weekend perhaps. But *years* while her husband was locked up? I don’t think so.
As to the rest of the stuff on here: I seriously doubt there’s an epidemic of kidnapping of young women for use as sex slaves. It clearly happens, but it involves a lot of work, luck (to avoid the authorities), and almost always an accomplice, usually a wife. You have to own a house or someplace where you can keep the woman imprisoned, away from neighbors and so forth, and it takes a lot of time, energy, and attention. Has it happened, other than in the three instances mentioned in the article? Sure. Elizabeth Smart comes to mind, and there have been a few other cases. But really, we have 300 million people in the country, and the few cases that have been discovered hardly qualify as an epidemic.
As for the discussion of whether this blames all men…well, yes, and no. On the one hand, the vast majority of rapists are men, and the vast majority of their victims are female. The trick here is that this doesn’t make the majority of men rapists, something that some extremists lose sight of. On the other hand, saying that most rapists are men by itself shouldn’t be challenged; it’s true.
As to whether this guy is a religious nut, and whether that makes him a Republican…well, that’s about as intelligent an idea as pointing out that the Unabomber was an environmentalist, or that Hitler was a vegetarian. Both statements are true, but neither individual is any more representative of the group than this jerk is of religious people. Trying to make it so in order to score political points off of this incident is pretty scummy, in my mind.
Sex: The Stimulus, the United Nations, Sexting, and Candy Wrappers
By now, everyone and his brother-in-law have heard the amazing tale of Jaycee Lee Dugard who was allegedly kidnapped by Phillip and Nancy Garrido and held for 18 years in a dump of a backyard.
We must say allegedly until the sick bastards are convicted.
She was allegedly raped by registered sex offender Garrido, bore him 2 children, and was finally rescued by the inept police of South Lake Tahoe, CA, when the whole dang “family” accompanied the lunatic to his parole office.
Reports now are that Jaycee, under the name Alissa, worked in Garrido’s store and apparently never made any effort to escape: http://bit.ly/5FFwy.
That info will no doubt fuel speculation that she was perfectly contented with her lot in life whereas Garrido probably knew that by then Jaycee/Alissa and her 2 girls were as much mental/psychological captives as a physical prisoners.
As bizarre as that case is, it’s not the only weird sex situation on America’s landscape.
Case in point: Obama’s stimulus.
“Stim·u·lus (stmy-ls) n. pl. stim·u·li (-l) 1. Something causing or regarded as causing a response. 2. An agent, action, or condition that elicits or accelerates a physiological or psychological activity or response. 3. Something that incites or rouses to action; an incentive.” (TheFreeDictionary.com)
Obama’s stimulus package may have failed to stimulate jobs but it sure is helping to provide an arousal incentive for some.
The New York Post has uncovered some recipients of Obama’s taxpayer monies, namely sex, umm, “researchers.”
Among other misuses of Obama’s stimulus package are funds being generously doled out to Indiana University to study “correct condom use,” ($221,000), to Syracuse U. to investigate adolescent “hookups,” ($219,000), to the University Of Illinois, Chicago, to evaluate “drug use as a sex enhancer,” ($123,000), and to the University of Maryland, Baltimore, to examine the issue of how amphetamines influence “female rat sexual behavior,” ($28,000): http://bit.ly/4qmaYX.
Either rat sex is considered a low priority or U. Maryland is on Obama’s chit list. However, it’s good to see that over a half million of our hard-earned dollars are being spent constructively.
Look, like a drunk with oodles of money, our government figures that it’s either use it and waste it, or lose it. After all, it’s all designed to stimulate, right? And it’s the American way amd not the bureaucrats’ money.
Second case in point, The United Nations.
Funded 22% by generous contributions from the United States, the U.N. is no slouch when it comes to wasteful spending by bureaucrats, either.
In fact, much of its profligate spending, especially but not confined to UNESCO, would be considered an immoral and unethical use of our taxes–if most of us knew about it.
Example: We have learned through song and tradition to teach our children well so it’s gratifying to know that the United Nations, ever on the alert for improving world conditions, is dead set on teaching and improving the condition of our young.
However, the Third World-dominated United Nations, thinking that Zambians, Kenyans, Uruguayans, and Cambodians share Americans’ beliefs and value system, would love to dump that system. UNESCO wants to teach our children but not exactly teach our Christian values.
Granted, it can be disconcerting to parents when their 5 year olds get discontented due to ennui. We used to tell them to dust or go out to play. The U.N. has a better solution, a different take on “play:” Teach them to masturbate!
Advocating universal access to “reproductive rights” and contending that “sexuality education is an integral component of human rights,” UNESCO has determined age-specific guidelines for children of all ages to learn and exercise their “sexual rights.”
. Children ages 5-9 also should be taught, “that all people regardless of their health status, religion, origin, race or sexual status can raise a child and give it the love it deserves.” (Note the inclusion of “sexual status,” the U.N.’s unsubtle endorsement of gay adoption; the pro-gay thread runs throughout the UNESCO report.)
. Children 9-12, among other things, should be taught about “homophobia, transphobia and abuse of power” as well as the “definition and function of orgasm.” By age 12, a kid should learn how “to be a good sexual partner.”
Children 12-15: “The report recommends discussing ‘access to safe abortion and post-abortion care’ and the ‘use and misuse of emergency contraception.’ “
UNESCO’s primary interests are a reduction in “depletion of natural resources” and teaching that, “traditional values on marriage and sex are faulty.”
The U.N.’s guiding lights? SIECUS and Planned Parenthood. (See “Homosexuality in America, Part Six: Indoctrinating Kids,” http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=647.) http://bit.ly/17SxbJ
Parents, don’t forget to get your kids out on Halloween to solicit pennies for UNICEF and maybe a few bucks for UNESCO.
Third case in point: “Sexting” . . .
(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)
DavidN, thank you for bringing some sanity to this discussion.
The problem with statistics is they mean nothing until you or someone you care about becomes one of them.
Meanwhile in Massachusetts, a man who is guilty of, at a minimum, manslaughter of a woman, dies after a lifetime of being a feminist icon. Women such as described in this article aren’t the only enablers out there.
men who rape children should never be let out of jail. period. they will rape again and again. if not in jail, then castrate them. Anything to kill the sexual urge to rape.
their sexual preference is kids, either male or female and no amount of psycho-babel will change that.
As far as that wife of his, I’d just love to hear what her sick story is. She also deserves a life sentence.
and to EVil pundit, women dont have penises, nor can they impregnate 11 year olds, or rip up their vaginas. I fail to see any point to your silliness
To the folks who try to drag discussions like this into a liberal-versus-conservative fingerpointing exercise, shame on you.
ddc, I work in an ER, and can tell you that we have had small female children patients who had been molested/penetrated by female relatives. Obviously, it is rare and obviously it is sickening, but you need to stick to reality with your arguments.
71. ddc wrote:
and to EVil pundit, women dont have penises, nor can they impregnate 11 year olds, or rip up their vaginas. I fail to see any point to your silliness
Peter writes: What about that recent case where the 9 year old girl was raped using a foreign object and then killed and stuffed into a suitcase by the mother of one of her friends? From the reports I read, that girl was ripped up pretty good before she died.
Crazy is crazy, and crazy has no politics. But we are not at the mercy of the crazy, ever since Col. Colt’s magnificent invention.
39. materialist:
“Ever heard of the national man-boy love association? How many of those creeps vote Republican?”
Better yet, how many of those ARE Republicans? Here you go:
http://forums.houmatoday.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8351034365/m/1691056019/r/3301017019
Here’s my favorite: Republican aide Alan David Berlin was arrested on charges that he wanted to engage in sex acts with a 15-year-old boy while dressed in a panda costume. And people say conservatives aren’t creative.
To Peter:
While horrible…and I hope she never gets out of prison, that is but one example. Don’t even try to pretned that the vast majority of perverts raping kids aren’t men. I know it stinks but comeon, NAMBLA…sex tourism all over Asia and elsewhere aren’t in business because women want sex with kids…let’s be obvious.
to caestal:
In your own words, “rare.”
I think the obvious shouldn’t be overlooked in favor of being PC. Are there evil women who do evil things to children out there? Yes, but they are rare. We have come to expect men will do such things because they are still hold the majority in sexual predators of kids.
What do you think can be done about that? We are so sickened by these continuous reports. What the F is wrong with these people? How do we stop it? can or WILL it ever stop? Answer those questions before resorting to a tit for tat reply.
The cure for pedophilia:
Short drop & a sudden stop.
Its even environmentally friendly since you can recycle the rope.
All your other comments aside Ms. Chesler, I disagree with you regarding Hedda Nussbaum. I thought she was as complicit and as guilty as hell. She was just as manipulative as the monster she shared her games with and it infuriated me she got away with it. I think it’s kind of fantastic the way the feminists say women are waaaaay better than men but in the cases you describe, the old stereotype is relied upon once again. Timid, beaten woman, fearful and controlled. What about all the women who make the news because they had enough and just blew the bastard away? We see plenty of that as well. I think some serious thought should go into whether or not these women who partner with these monsters are as innocent as the child-like defense you describe. Maybe they know they can depend on it.
Uh, Seansarto, how are supposed to discuss something that’s purely hypothetical?
Discuss it with yourself, and if you come up something, let us know.
Ked5, the parole officer was supposedly checking on the guy. On a regular basis. The neighbors saw kids in the back yard, but he didn’t? All the times he checked on him?
Also, the woman who reported seeing the kids on his property specifically said she saw them in the back yard. That means the back yard should be checked. I suspect the cops would have seen the tents and sheds just fine, if they’d actually checked the back yard. It also would have been nice if they’d checked his background; he was listed as a sex offender, and parolee, they supposedly had the information in their office.
Either the cops were complicit in this matter, or incredibly stupid, and incompetent. Either way, it doesn’t look good for them. And that parole officer should be fired.
In fact, I think this case calls into question the wisdom of paroles in general.
1. Again, you someone managed to bring up the middle-east
in an American drama – sick.
2. I hope that woman rot in hell for what she has done.
You see, coming from experience, woman are nasty and do
nasty filthy things not only to other woman but their
children. My mother was a prime example. I was sold out
for every man she slept with. Not only did she allow my
father to abuse me but she beat me and called me nasty names
wished my life all evils.
3. When I was married, she sided up with my ex-husband whom she
knew was abusing me, even told him how to dog me, and take
my children.
4. This dog even had the nerve to laugh. So help me God may all
woman like her rot in everlasting hell. Esp. the one in the
article. Brain-washed my ass. I found out through my
mother that some women are so sick in the head that they
enjoy the abuse.
And number 76. I agree with you. What you said is true. I researched child prostitution in other countries and found out that women also was responsible for the selling of children. That is why the crap will never end. Demonic women like this knows that as a whole everyone blame men for abuse. Its been that way for years. That is why innocent victims die everyday because of the advantage the sick has taken of society’s sympathy towards the “weaker sex”.
My mother became a cop. Imagine that.
It is my personal goal to make sure she never sees me again. May that woman who stole another’s woman child for her husband suffer the consequences of the fury her female in mates will release in the upmost un forgiving manner
BettyBlue:
Isn’t it a little telling that it was the intuition of two women cops at Berkeley to check this freak out. 18 years this girl suffered at the hand of this guy’s , in his own words, “my evil sexual agressiveness and fantasies” due to the gross ineptitude of the previous cop’s lack of due diligence. Those who failed at their jobs should no longer be allowed to “serve and protect”
In addition to the negligence…there are at the time of Garrido’s arrest, at least 100 registered sex offenders within 3 MILES of Garrido’s compound.
#82:
In your spare time, check out the number of reigistered sex offenders in your neighborhood… Or any neighborhood for that matter. Look at their pictures and then make note of the number of women you see.
The two incidents that Dr. Chesler describes so eloquently here are horrific.
They point to the continuing need for an international feminist movement to eradicate all forms of misogyny. I do not understand George Jochnowitz’s reference to a “Marxist/Islamic alliance” in this context; as there is no evidence that either of the American men who committed these horrible crimes was either a Marxist or a Muslim.
Hey this is from a proud “misandrist”. Where the heck did you get such a false identification. From men’s rights groups who are professionals at spinning excuses for violent men. You are very narrow minded if you think this is about blaming men. This is about the abuse of women and girls by abusive psychopaths who are men. What I said has nothing to do with men. What I said has something to do with women’s ability to make decisions and stand up under violence, intimidation etc. I don’t think that most women have the ability to really rebel or fight against their husband about anything. And women have to be vigilant about human rights because the abuse of women is a catagory all by itself. It is different from women abusing children. You will find that that is as random as any crime. But when it comes to verbally abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, sexual slavery, pick you oppression du jour it is men who are the perpetrators and women who are the victims. If you look at sexual slavery, it is criminal men who kidnap and enslave. But it is normal every day men who will go and rape without asking how the girl ended up there in the first place. I don’t think all men are abusers. I do think the human rights of women is a special thing that we as feminist must watch out for.
And I don’t think that most women have the ability to think independently, clearly and seperately to the point were they can distance themselves from there husbands make decisions about police stations. You will say that women are stupid and that’s fine. Everyone thinks women are stupid and brainless. But I still don’t expect women to act independently, assertively and proactively when dealing with violence and that is why one of the women did not end up at a police station and that is why Hedda Nussbamn did what she did. Even if you prosecute women, who cares. Tomorrow 100 girls will be raped and 100 mothers will do nothing about it. Those are the facts. That is why the victimization of women is a chronic thing. Women can’t even get ourselves out of domestic violence. So why do you think you will see activity on the behalf or someone else. The femininity demons don’t work that way. Gotta have assertiveness training.
Millions of people around the world are starving to death. Cancer is knocking people off at a shocking rate, more could be done if the funds were available.
But that’s not as entertaining for you as sex abuse, and especially paedophile sex abuse is it? You’d rather think about sex abuse.
The media hark on about it all the time. For a while all the best selling books were about it.
Everyone seems to be obsessed with that thing they claim to hate most. Let’s be real now too, would you rather lose an arm or even an eye or get touched “somewhere naughty (!)” by someone you didn’t let. If you choose arm and eye you are either a liar or deranged. There are bigger problems in the world, but they don’t entertain your mind as much, do they.
Well, Marlon, honestly, I’d rather not have been kidnapped—at the vulnerable age of 11—by a violent, aggressive, psycho rapist, and his equally vicious “wife”, held prisoner in a backyard compound, consisting of tents and sheds, forced to bear two children when I myself was little more than a child, and kept away from my family. Nor would I want this to happen to any woman I loved; a sister, a daughter, a friend—actually, I wouldn’t want it to happen to any woman at all. Nobody deserves that. This kinda goes beyond getting touched “somewhere naughty”, donchathink?
And it’s quite possible to hate things like this, and also be indignant about cancer, world hunger or whatever; the two don’t cancel each other out. What are you saying? That if we disapprove of one, we can’t disapprove of the other? Or that we should just ignore cruelty to children, because it’s just not important. (Wanna try tellign that to the girl’s mom in this case? Howzabout the parents of other raped, and/or kidnapped kids? “Oh, not to worry, sir or ma’am, it’s just “naughty touching”, that’s all, and you should be more concerned about world hunger.”)
(And, yes, ddc, those who fail to “serve and protect” should lose their jobs.)
This isn’t a mens’ right issue, or a womens’ rights issue, so, please, drop the ideologies, here. This is an issue about child abuse, rape, kidnapping and adults’ inhumanity to children. We shouldn’t go excusing such crimes when they’re committed by either men, or women.
Betty Blue I won’t drop ideologies. I explain why both “ideologies” are important in dealing with human rights and justice. Women’s especially. We would have never made any headway on the abuse of wome if women’s rights groups had not made it their issue. We were talking about the complicity of the women. I was explaining why they are not complicit any more than a women who is involved in domestic violence is complicit.
Right-on, Marcia Pappas (comment 7, above), and I know you know how some of this behavior is also happening in family law cases, where children are being put in the custody of known batterers and child molesters, and exchange of funding (some of it from federal grants system) and other dubious financial conflicts of interest in the court arena — happens, often after this abuse is reported.
I went through 7 years of severe battering/domestic violence, with two children (abuse started during pregnancy with the first), in front of Berkeley liberals (my relatives), home-based fellowships (pastor who married us, others), a variety of churches, employers, 2 oby/gyns (who delivered 2nd daughter), police officers (who came to the home when neighbors called), many many colleagues (in music) and I cannot tell you HOW many other individuals knew what this man was doing to me in front of our kids, and for no reason. We were sent to joint counseling by a well-known pastor in the Bay Area (in fact, his church is thriving), this guy was suicidal and was collecting weapons; I had a close call, and they didn’t want to hear about it. We had to flee the home overnight, it just didn’t seem to “register.” ** I am an Oberlin grad and I didn’t break easy, but religious drill & family of origin denial helped (and the “Woman, Submit!” stuff wasn’t evident in advance, FYI if anyone is feeling superior and self-righteous about this around here. I reported to doctors, and worked a variety of jobs (if you’re in these situations you WILL work and support your abuser).
I cannot imagine how Jaycee survived, but she DID. Where were those babies delivered?
It’s been almost 10 years since getting out and I still do not feel safe and am still experiencing occasional (and warning) stalkings. My children were taken — I call it “hostage” on an overnight visitation exchange almost a year after I’d begun warning the courts that a kidnapping was imminent and asked for a 2nd restraining order. The person who helped take them hostage (we talked recently, but this doesn’t mean she came clean) is a self-reported incest victim, and was targeted around a church recovery group EXPLICITLY for the purpose of getting my girls away from me. My own family was involved in betrayal, and my heart remains in my mouth as all contact is cut off. Bonding happens in part when children or others are forced to partake or witness abuse of someone related to them, and induced to take a side. AN elderly mother is involved in this case, that has every appearance (to my reading of it) as a basic family “gang” or cult. . . . . . In my case, the control had an order to it, and looking back, I see the premeditation; Shut down: 1. transportation 2. bank account 3. credit 4. former associations with inspiring or positive activities 5. physical attacks, at first severe (for shock effect) and 6. You name it. 7. Constant rotation of jobs, so no real source of income, or credibility can build up. . . .
You don’t “buy” the story if you’re the target, you just have to figure out how to survive, especially with children. I went to a family violence law center (secretly) and got a restraining order through them, but they made some serious mistakes that left it open to being harassed and hounded afterwards, including through a series of jobs. UNbelievable but common.
Post-divorce, similar activities happened, just involving more people. My PTSD started returning in full force around 2005 (and I didn’t even LIVE with the guy!), as both of us fully realized WHICH local agencies weren’t going to enforce. . . . . .
Unless you have faced this full in the face, you just don’t “get” how it can happen, and how different it looks from the other side. I haven’t experienced anything like what I hear of some of these cases, but in quality no escape is no escape, threat is threat, and dead is dead, and I was personally warned never to oppose this person or he WOULD escalate til he won. No limit was mentioned.
CHILD-STEALING: Many mothers, we are now “noncustodial” know how little a custody order means, and we work hard to get out of trauma from total cutoff of contact with our kids that we raised.
Some women now realize they were targeted to start with because they were fertile and he wanted kids. Particularly immigrant women brought over for this purpose, or you will see a large difference in age.
The general public will, in general, not be helping any of these (and I include my two daughters, neither of who will now talk with me, and one who remains in the household, they were told I would retaliate; they were taken suddenly and no one rescued them, and they have several family and family-like members controlling there futures, whereabouts, and so forth. You cannot help us unless you realize this COULD be anyone and stop thinking that some social status means squat. it doesn’t.
The other thing is, please do go to my site, and also visit “http://www.nafcj.net” and understand some of the $$ behind this, and the degradation of due process in the courts. It’s a matter of getting vocabulary, half the time, to understand the “child trafficking” means, child for money, no matter the context. Everyone wants to reform the courts (that’s stuck in them) but few really examine the role the child support agency plays — esp. in California — in taking due process out of the courtroom and putting it in the hands of professionals with too little supervision and too much power. I had to get totally out of my comfort zone to get free, and I’m still there.
Why I am gradually becoming more and more feminist. I identify as a Christian feminist, and I steer clear of churches (was thrown out of one by a “women don’t speak” group -recently — for speaking entirely in order, but apparently with the wrong attitude). I have watched them “Drill” young men how to dominate women, as my ex also flew in someone to help him intimidate me. it didn’t work, but he tried. What intimidated me was the weapons in the home.
http://familycourtmatters.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/obama-chesler-ali-darwish-and-me-on-islamicchristia-violence-against-women/
You have to look beyond the religious divides, while realizing that yes, religion DOES lead to honor killings and wife-killings and so forth. But they come just as nasty under “atheism,” it’s a criminal intent issue. Also, WATCH OUT for professions that deal primarily with children, elderly and disabled, there are plenty of these sorts working in them; the Garridos were, I heard.
Thank you Dr. Chesler, you are one of my role models, and keep on writing. Other generations need to know what happened.
If the public would spend less time trying to purge its conscience (and on commentary) and MORE on analysis — and listen to people who’ve been through this, even though we don’t always write so well — it might help put a dent in it. I don’t see many organizations that are, it’s individuals that must. Get informed. That’s what I did when I got out, and that’s a process. This has occupied almost 20 yrs of my own adult life, and it doesn’t just go away.
SF Bay Area
I am shocked and painfully outraged by the acts of these people. It really address’s today’s society of perverted people. I find it intolerable that a woman, a mother, could entertain cruelity to other women and children. It is equally sad and horrific that men engage in this very sick pattern of thought and actions.
Did you know that in our beloved country that there are more animal shelters for abused and unwanted animals than for battered women and children? Politicians in this country need to do some serious moral soul searching and start advocating for those that can not advocate for themselves.
May God surround these victims and protect them from future harm and heal them from past abuse.
I agree– I have never heard of a pedophile that has been cured. These men and women need to have life sentences in order to protect innocent children from their wrath. And while I don’t think this would cut down on the number of pedophiles, it WOULD cut down on repeat offenders and the number of pedophiles on the street.
All this…and yet we have the “false memory syndrome” people who would say pedophilia is so rare. They are the reason so many of these cases of incest going into court today end in tragedy…. whith the perpetrator give soul custody and the mother (protective parent) banned completely. I have to wonder what becomes of these children (young girls) when they become adults… they’ll be prey for another charming pedophile….. and the boys? (young boys) they’ll become the futures pedophiles. Wow…. what a novel thought… I think it’s time our supposed Judicial clowns be hung just like the victims were in this article…. by their wrists.. sleeping in a box…. maybe then they’ll wake up. And as for us woman who have been the victims for so long.. it’s time to stand up and say NO…. we don’t need a man to be happy. We don’t need to be magazine cover beautiful to be desired…. were not 2nd class citizens. Stand up for what’s right…. even if it costs you your life!!!
(Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it)
ROFL @ the victims of this. lol @ their misfortune.
“Children and adult women are routinely kidnapped in epidemic numbers”
yes they are, in your head you sick perv. evidence that people don’t speak to their parents anymore is not the same as evidence of kidnapping, kidnapping in in fact incredibly rare.. but that would not sell books now would it, sicko.
“there is absolutely no cure for pedophilia”
great going Sherlock, there’s no cure for strait or gay ether, but that doesn’t mean every gay is a raving sex maniac looking for same sex people to abuse. you know i saw a woman today on the street that i found incredibly attractive, but for some reason i didn’t follow her home, or rape her on her door step, i didn’t even speak to her, why? because of empathy. i have no desire to do anything that would hurt her or even make her feel uncomfortable, because it in fact would hurt me more, THAT is what is missing in child molesters, and that can be cured, there are plenty of people who successfully abstain from sex in the world, for whichever reason.. but there will be no cure while we are hell bent on revenge instead of justice, punishment instead of correction.
your story’s are of the worst of the worst cases, which happen once or twice every 20 years or so on earth, that is not an epidemic, that’s the exception to the rule, there are some crimes that we couldn’t stop even if we lived under a police state with half our population in prison. nice dig at the Scots btw, its ironic that the compassion shown releasing a dying man from prison is very similar to the compassion that is lacking the child molesters, and apparently in you as well.
What would you think ethically and morally about Janice Hooker being a Licensed Social Worker working with mentally ill and drug addicted clients?
I had not heard of Colleen Stan, so it was interesting to find out about. I am pleased that you related this story to the Austrian man we only learned about a year or so ago. My psychologically inquisitive mind wishes we could get more follow-up on the victims. Anyway, I’ve just learned of you and your book, Women’s Inhumanity to Women which I have lived with for 47 years.
I think that the wives in these situations should get less time then their partners but I don’t think they should be forgiven. Victims of domestic violence have to take responsibility for the choices they made in life in order to move forward as a surivor. Mrs.’s Garrido and Hooker will take a long time though to move forward if they ever are capable of doing so behind bars. We can only hope that they will get intense psychological treatment and a comprehensive assessment into their psyche. I have empathy for all women who have been victims of abuse of any kind. The longer you stay with a batterer the less you have control of your mind and the further the violence can escalate. That is if you are still alive at the end.
The batterer was responsible for ruining the lives of all these women and yes the wives had no real control over this but they still must face consequenses just as people with a mental illness do in a psychiatric hospital. I mean putting these vulnerable wives on the street will set them free (to attract other batterers) and inside they will have treatment. It sounds strange but do we have any other resources? As a social worker I am well aware that the system is not perfect but all there is.
Human Traffiking: the Slavery of modern Days
Please watch the Video “Human Traffiking: Facts about” –> http://www.somaly.org/video/
And here watch what happens in the United States when it comes to “Child Traffiking” –>
1/5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxZtWYb4IEs
2/5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw5JiGGFiNM&feature=related
3/5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0NzhmC_-IU&feature=related
4/5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKGJL_JMtw&feature=related [Cambodia]
5/5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSwvCP4aa4
And here Cases of Slavery (in the United States) reported by the (appearently) only Organisation in the United States fighting against Human Slavery and Traffiking (CAST, Coalistion Against Slavery and Traffiking): http://www.castla.org/survivor-stories