Riverdale, in the Bronx, is a gloriously leafy, hilly, and peaceful suburb. I have visited its extraordinary gardens and gracious homes which overlook the Hudson river. More often, I’ve visited a close friend and her family who live there. I have studied, dined, and prayed with them. I have attended lectures at Riverdale synagogues. Riverdale is as close to me, both personally, psychologically, and geographically, as was the World Trade Center.
In response to a gruesome series of Islamic-Palestinian synagogue bombings in Europe, police officers guarded Europe’s synagogues and Jewish Centers. Now, synagogues all over New York City, tend to have barricades or some kind of police presence outside. We are now all Israelis: Not just the Jews, but the world’s civilians.
And thus, four African-American converts to Islam, all of whom converted to Islam in prison, have been arrested by the FBI just as they attempted to bomb two Riverdale synagogues, (the Riverdale Jewish Center and the Riverdale Temple), in the Bronx and a New York National Guard air base in Newburgh, New York where they lived and attended a mosque.
Why do I begin by clearly stating the race and religion of the terrorists? Because the liberal mainstream media refuses to do so, or buries such facts on its back pages. For example, see the New York Times coverage HERE. What starts as a bland, front page story continues on page 33 where, laughably, the Times writes “some of the men were of Arabic descent, and one is of Haitian descent.” Only the New York Post HERE mentions these important facts up front and clearly. (And, by the way: One of the arrested men is quoted as saying that his parents once lived in Afghanistan; if this is true, let’s note that Afghanistan is not an Arab country. It is totally unclear whether his parents are Afghans or not).
A friend has just told me that NPR’s coverage earlier today of this attempted terrorist bombing failed to mention that the perpetrators are African-Americans or Muslims. I am sure that in a matter of days, perhaps hours, these men will have civil rights and left-oriented lawyers prepared to argue that the FBI “played” them, enticed them, preyed on their…jihadic bitterness.
No, I am not in favor of “profiling,” i.e. discriminating against or persecuting people because of their skin-color or religious beliefs. However, what is one to do when these facts are crucial to the matter at hand?
According to my esteemed colleague, Frank Gaffney, the Saudis have been funding Wahabi-style political-religious conversions among marginalized men in prison in the West for a long time. The Islamic Society of North America has allegedly placed many imams and mullahs in the American prison system where they prey mainly upon men of color, (they are over-represented in the American prison system), whose lives have already been shattered by poverty, racism, drugs, mental illness, gang life, and a long history of criminality. (And, as a reader, David Thomson, has just pointed out, their lives have also been “severely harmed by widespread illegitimacy, vile rap music that denigrates women and traditional values, feelings of victimization, self-pity, and the politically correct nonsense that asserts that all their problems are the result of white imperialism.”)
Islam may be presented to these inmates as a religion of many colors, as especially friendly to men of African descent. Jihad may also be presented as a way to overcome “oppression.”
Islam is probably not presented as an imperialist, colonialist force or as a religion whose leaders practice genocidal jihad, slavery, and both gender and religious apartheid; whose leaders were instrumentally involved in the African slave trade to America; and who, today, keep slaves, and persecute black Africans in Darfur. A formal, radical doctrine which preaches hatred of “white racist America,” the very country that has jailed them, might be balm to their shamed spirits. Perhaps jailed men of color are also attracted by the possibility of polygamy, or by female co-religionists who are, voila!, subservient to men on American soil.
Perhaps James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams, and Laguerre Payen, (the Bronx Four), were inspired by the late, great Malcolm X, a.k.a. Malik Shabazz, a criminal turned Muslim leader—who was, arguably, assassinated by The Nation of Islam who found his preaching ultimately too…peaceful, too color-blind, too charismatic.
Or, perhaps these latest homegrown terrorist-wannabees were inspired by the ability of the Nation of Islam, (which emerged in 1930 America), to offer African-American prisoners protection and an identity in jail, and more than that: to help them remain sober, and to give dignity, meaning, and purpose to their lives. To the extent to which this “hate Whitey, hate the Jews” version of political Islam could and still does, indeed, uplift and console the spirits of the disenfranchised…..we are all in grave trouble.
Perhaps men also convert simply because they want to receive the perks that Muslims receive in prison: a better quality halal food, incense, prayer rugs.
But really, why am I not surprised by this latest thwarted terrorist attack in the Bronx? Jihad went global a long time ago. The Bronx synagogue car bomb and military airplane explosion scenario immediately reminds us of other, exploding, Muslim-detonated car and truck bombs outside American embassies and Marine Barracks in Africa and the Middle East; and exploding Muslim human as well as car bombs which blow up civilians, (most are Muslim civilians), in Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
I thought we were in Iraq fighting terrorists, so that “we have to fight them over there so we won’t have to fight them over here” or something.
Seems to not be working.
Nice column. Thank you.
The mob that has been yelling for years (I quote the fat director): “there is no terrorist threat !” has now elected a Congress and a President,therefore these will do absolutely nothing to stop the wahabist propaganda and infiltration, absolutely nothing.
Congratulations and thanks to the Law Enforcement Officers who stopped this attack !
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Odd that no Jewish, or Christian, or Buddhist, or Hindu (sorry if I left out any other peaceful religions) converts want to run around blowing stuff up.
Must be something in the message. Wahabi preachers hould be labeled as enemy agents and deported.
Great. We’re going to bring the Gitmo animals to US soil and put them in US prisons with US citizens where they will have free reign to convert others to their terrorist mindset? The four arrested today are proof that there is still a major threat to the US. Bringing the Gitmo animals to the US is asking for more of the same.
Yet more proof that TeleBama is governing by polls and not with brain cells.
The recruitment of blacks by the Islamics, both in prison and otherwise, is a festering wound in our country.
The nice folks at the ACLU would like us to release more of them each year — after they’ve been totally radicalized and trained in Jihad tactics.
Heh. These look like four Obama voters that are not happy with the pace of “hope and change”.
Refusing to identify the race of a “perp” is so PC, and so useless too. Warnings to be on the look out for four men blah-blah-blah would be so much more concise if the warning indicated four white men, or black men, or whatever. As for Obama going after the Wahabi’s, maybe after he’s had a few more minutes of kissing the Kings rear end?
#5 AThinkingPerson
We’re going to bring the Gitmo animals to US soil and put them in US prisons with US citizens where they will have free reign to convert others to their terrorist mindset? … Bringing the Gitmo animals to the US is asking for more of the same.
Yes, the plan is that.
We should just stop thinking that the subversives make mistakes, they carry out plans. Battle plans, war plans.Short term, medium term, long term plans.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
The Saudi government, and other Arab states, fund Wahabist radicals on their own turf and elsewhere for a very simple reason; as long as they can keep said radicals aimed at the West, Israel, etc., they won’t be making trouble in their own countries by trying to overthrow those same (generally corrupt)local governments.
There’s an old saying that the best place to defend your country is on somebody else’s real estate. It seems to me that one way of doing this, for us, would be to tell the Saudis, et al., that if they don’t cut off the tap to these fanatics, we’ll stop doing business with them, period. Without us propping up their regimes’ and economies, they won’t last too long, regardless of what their home-grown Islamist extremists do or don’t do.
They need to be aware that they cannot buy peace with their homegrown radicals at the expense of the United States and her allies. It seems that a large number of semi-civilized, autocratic regimes’ have forgotten that it’s a bad idea to get on our bad side. Maybe it’s time we reminded them that people who do tend to wish they hadn’t.
clear ether
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I await the arrival of Pastor of Muppets to tell us these four who were arrested today should be given a suite at the Plaza with 3 squares a day and bubble baths (not showers…water on the face is torture!) every evening.
I say let the parents of the children who had kids in pre-school at the place they were planning to blow up dole out the punishment. I have a feeling they’d be begging for some lukewarm waterboarding.
“We’re going to bring the Gitmo animals to US soil and put them in US prisons with US citizens where they will have free reign to convert others to their terrorist mindset?”
Holy crap how the hell would they be able to do that? You honestly believe they would be in general population? Holy crap indeed.
Wait until Obama starts permitting these people to practice Sharia in their neighborhoods…
No, no, of course it is not working.
The conversion to Islam in prisons throughout the country has been going on for a while. Before 9/11 many were not that concerned about it because these converts tend to have little influence on society as a whole. This influence increases manifold when they are given the tools and means of Jihad, as it happened on 9/11.
On 9/11 America was caught sleeping. For many years after that, the Bush administration was able to keep the country safe, but the political pendulum swung in such a way that now we encounter ourselves, probably at the worst moment, in a heated debate again about Islamic terrorism, and the means to combat it here at home.
Even Fox News did not touch the explosive issue of the race of these 4 home-grown terrorists. At least they showed us some pictures. For us homeboys, often the names are sufficient, and they usually have a similar ring to them.
Will the Obama administration do anything about this blatant intervening by the Saudis and others bent on preying upon the vulnerable in jails to promote Islamic Jihad right here? I doubt it. They were caught, right? They were caught, more than likely, due to the net set up by Bush/Cheney.
Why was this threat absent from Homeland Security Janet Napolitano’s memo on homegrown terrorism? A real threat. Clear and present danger. So do go blaming others if they start stocking on ammunition.
Good read, thanks. Check out “Sleeper Cell” on Showtime . . . or rent it.
Some of the anti-Obama rhetoric written on this page is a scary as the Muslim fanatics who populate our prisons and our world. Of course the prison definition of Islam makes it okay to use and sell narcotics to kids, to get drunk and into knife fights in taverns, to murder teenagers with whom they have disagreements over women, etc. Every time I see an African-American woman in a burka at a mall or supermarket I feel a sense of the failure of the Black community to face up to the dangers within their midst. Obama did not create radical Islam, the Saudis, Palestinians and Iranians did. Until we face up to the “facts on the ground” about our real enemies we are in a lose-lose situation. Forming a circular firing squad is irrational for Americans, Israelis and Western Europeans. Phyllis is a voice in the wilderness but I think the more often these radicals dream up their schemes and the more often they are arrested and charged, the modern and civilized world will begin to get the message.
And the donkeys send more money to the Wahabis by keeping domestic oil production off limits. The few drops that the CAFE standards will save are nothing compared to the shiploads that will be imported because so much domestic capacity is off limits. They simply don’t think that this is a serious problem. There’s no other possible conclusion that can be reached.
#14 MiamaMan: Good point about Napolitano’s memo. Why indeed? Protection?
With all of the PC crap involved in not reporting the particulars of this case, we’ll soon start hearing news reports like this:
“Four upright humanoids of undisclosed gender, race, religious, or salad preference, were aprehended while discussing the philosophical ramifications of acts of humanoid-induced negative incidents upon other upright humanoids of undisclosed gender, race, religious, or salad preferences.”
It’s amazing to me how absolutely gullible many of my “fellow Americans” are…and are satisfied to be so.
Have we so soon forgotten the “Western Jihad” embarked upon by GW, which was based on lies, and which resulted in the bombings of schools, hospitals, places of worship, and is to this day costing untold loss of life on BOTH sides?
Wake up, SHEEPLE…the Matrix has you!
It is a sad day, indeed, when the people’s worst enemy is THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.
RM
Why do the CFR members allow them into this country?
The Mosque they went to should be searched, then destroyed. I hope the cell phones, and computers lead to more terrrorists.
After a little water boarding, the moon god worshipers should be shot at dawn for making war agaist America.
Yea, I am way off base, and I suppose when I wrote there is terrorists in these United States supported by some Mosques, I was all wrong.
Love, and kisses!
Napolitano pointed directly at those who are clearly not terrorists and vilified them. ex-Soldiers, Christians, right to lifers et al.
I am amazed at the stupidity of the DHS in pointing out patriotic Americans as domestic terrorists while ignoring the prison Jihadis and radical Imams in mosques raising the next crop of killers here in the USA.
It seems like the DHS is puposely leaving the USA open to attack.
Islam is like a disease that attacks a weak mind and spreads like a fungus devouring every soul it comes in contact with.
Mrs. Chesler,
Thank You so much for your true story, and for telling us the whole truth instead of some half truth. What kind of mother raises this kind of monster? They should have never got out of prison, and a person with hate and rage should be locked away for good. I hope they lock them away for good this time.
The story on Fox was so short last night that we were not sure what happen, and that is the truth. They said something about it, but never stated who did it. My husband and I were sure it was Muslims, but we did not know they were recruits from the prison system.
The Media has the audacity to keep important things from us, and enough is enough. I turn them off. Most of them are no longer welcome into our home, because we turn them off.
You are right, and we are all in trouble here, and most people cannot see the truth, but the truth is we are in danger here in our own country.
Awhile back I was telling a friend of mine (who is known for his faith in Jesus) about one of our Republican Senators setting out and not voting on a proposition to make sure the money sent to Gaza does not fall into HAMAS hands (I forget the number and name of Prop.), and that I wrote her a short letter asking her why. I felt I wanted to tell him about her reply a few days later and that she sent an automated response saying something along the lines of taking all American Citizens into consideration when she did not vote. I decided to tell him, because he was talking about Obama at the time to me, and his response floored me. “Those people have been fighting with each other forever there, and they will always fight there, and nothing can be done”. I explained to him that I feel we can never go against Israel and he just stood there and looked at me, but I felt he does not care. I ask this man who is my elder if he reads the Bible, and I have decided that we are not thinking clearly, and we have to read our bibles.
I feel the Media are taking control of us, and people have no idea what is happening to them. Jesus is called Rabbi in my bible and I’m sure that my bible and theirs are the same words. I own five of them, and King James Version or NIV, Jesus was called Rabbi by some of the disciples. Our bibles warn us about the times we are living in now, and that we have to stand with Israel, because God is with Israel.
Things that I was taught, things that my elders should be telling to the younger generations are being twisted and the bible warns of this, and it is in the prophecies of end times. I feel that things are becoming twisted and evil, and this is how I truly feel.
“…whose lives have already been shattered by poverty, racism, drugs, mental illness…”
Whoa, somebody needs to drop a chill pill. I cannot allow Phyllis Chesler to tell only half the story. These lives have also been severely harmed by widespread illegitimacy, vile rap music that denigrates woman and traditional values, feelings of victimization, self-pity, and the politically correct nonsense that asserts all their problems are the result of white imperialism. These individuals are not primarily the victims of the doctrines of the vile KKK—but leftists like Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The Klan has damaged the lives of only a handful of minority people in the last 40 some years. Leftist doctrines have damaged the lives of millions.
Well #19, Mr. Muhammad I’m simply astounded at how quickly you George Bush haters try to tie everything that happens in with President Bush. Who exactly did President Bush lie to? Congress voted eagerly to provide the funds for the invasion of Iraq and the best intelligence of several different countries – U.S., British, Russian and others, thought that Saddam had WMD’s. Another typical lie, the bombing of schools, hospitals, places of worship, houses and whatever is done randomly and without any thought to the people by the Islamic terrorists themselves. You people need to get over your BDS. George Bush is no longer the President. Let’s ask Princess Pelosi what she thinks. Oh no, wait, she’s too busy squirming like a snake caught in a trap to answer any questions right now. Well I’m sure Obambi will get around to defending the country; maybe after the next Wednesday night wine tasting party. Feeling safer now??
That, in a nutshell, is why the islamists will win.
#17 — And the donkeys send more money to the Wahabis by keeping domestic oil production off limits. The few drops that the CAFE standards will save are nothing compared to the shiploads that will be imported because so much domestic capacity is off limits. They simply don’t think that this is a serious problem. There’s no other possible conclusion that can be reached.
Nail, meet head.
Nicely done.
Can I vote for you any time soon?
According the headline of the story that appears in today’s New York Times, “N.Y. Bomb Plot Suspects Acted Alone, Police Say”, we would believe that the Bronx four acted independently, sans the support of any organized terrorist organization. Perhaps that is true, and perhaps it is not.
Dr. Chesler states that, “James Cromitie, a.k.a. Abdul Rahman, stated that he was part of a Pakistani-based terror group and wanted to kill Jews and Americans”. Sounds to me like this person and the others may still be working in concert with this terror group and others of that ilk.
Is it possible that at such an early stage in the investigation that the police could draw such a definitive and inexorable conclusion?
History does indeed repeat itself. Anyone out there recall who the first victim of Al Qaeda terrorism was on these shores? Anyone recollect precisely when global jihad made it’s first mark in New York City?
Even before 9/11/2001 or the attempted 1993 World Trade Center bombing, there was a man police described as a “lone gunman” who had conections to the terrorist blind sheik in Jersey City, Abdul Rachman. His name was El Said Nosair and on the evening of November 5, 1990 he entered the ballroom of the Marriott Hotel on Manhattan’s east side and assasinated Rabbi Meir Kahane, ZTK”L.
Police immediately dismissed the notion that Nosair had any connections to organized terrorism and labeled the murder of Rabbi Kahane as just another homicide.
According to an article written by investigative journalist Seamus McGraw entitled “The Killing of Rabbi Kahane: Jihad in America”, he states:
“As authorities would later discover, the bullets fired from Nosairs gun were the opening salvo in a war, a war waged by Islamic extremists against America and its interests. Within three years of the Kahane shooting, a group of men closely linked to Nosair, men led by the blind Sheik Omar Ahmad Abdul Rahman, would launch the first attack on the World Trade Center, setting off a deadly bomb in the basement of the towering building. Later, members of the cabal would be accused of planning a reign of terror against New York, plans that included attacks on the citys bridges and tunnels. And a few years after that, a handful of terrorists, under orders from Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network, a network that counted some of Nosairs allies among its members, would ultimately topple those towers, and attack the Pentagon.”
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/terrorists/elsayid_nosair/index.html
Something to think about
There is a significant angle to this story that isn’t being reported. See: http://thefifthcolumnreport.blogspot.com/2009/05/white-supremacists-target-black.html. Essentially, many mainstream media outlets are minimizing, sanitizing, or flat out not reporting this incident of attempted domestic terrorism.
A good read.
#23 David Thompson: “Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven” … “Leftist doctrines have damaged the lives of millions.” Exactly.
And this: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewGroups.asp?type=aca-a
#23 — …and the politically correct nonsense that asserts all their problems are the result of white imperialism.
Read this. It supports what you said, except it shows how this has happened at the institutional level.
http://city-journal.org/2009/19_2_freirian-pedagogy.html
If this doesn’t scare the crap out of you, it’s due to the lack of a pulse.
(I really do wish you people would link more.)
You may not like profiling but I do. People better start to understand that the destruction of Western culture comes from radicals of Muslim faith. Life means nothing to them.
The converts are always a significant problem, especially those moving from Nation of Islam to Sunni. I once did a prison interview where a former Nation of Islam told me he “upgraded” to Sunni Islam. I thought to myself did he get frequent flyer miles on Saudi Arabian Air? A leopard can not change its spots that quickly.
The converts have a need to pardon the expression Out French the French. Another good example was the Djerba Synagogue Bombing and the convert Christian Ganczarski.The Islam’s other face of Jihad is extremely appealing to those who convert with an axe to grind.
The other problem is the prediction that IEDs, roadside bombs, will be here in the U.S. This stuff spreads because we have been ineffective in setting boundaries on the aggression. Aggression breds aggression. Phyllis, your blog reminds us of the need to be prudent and effective in countering this aberrant behavior. Col ha-cavod l’akh.
What I find most incredible in the NY Times reporting of the story (although why should it surprise me by now?) is how they made it sound like it was no big deal, almost as if they were a bunch kids out to pull “harmless” prank, of no more consequence than a little privy-tipping. Amazing, too, how the city’s law enforcement chief agreed. To quote the Times’ story, “The men were petty criminals who seem not to have been working in concert with any terrorist organization, the New York City police commissioner said Thursday.” No, not in concert with any terrorist organization; THEY JUST FORMED ONE OF THEIR OWN! I recall an article by the late William S. Burroughs called “The Revised Boy Scout Manual” (published in Re/Search #4/5, if anyone’s interested) in which he a outlined a blueprint for domestic terrorism. In a nutshell, he pointed out that anyone acting on their own — planting bombs on airplanes was the example he used –will soon find there are dozens of annoymous copycats waiting to help him out (BTW — Burroughs was no fan of islam or terrorism). This is what’s happening now, and not just in Brooklyn. Do you wonder where these four islamic jar heads got their idea? Didn’t they something about their preferred target — the World Trade Center — having been taken out already? Perhaps Osama Ben Laden knew what he was doing in more ways then one. The NYC police chief may think there’s nothing to worry about, that this was just an isolated incident, but I beg — nay, I DEMAND — to differ. The Times also goes on to quote one of the terrorists’ sisters, who seemed to dismiss the idea that her brother was inspired by islamist teachings by saying, “they do a little time in jail and they don’t eat pork no more.” And dig the imam trying to distance islam from one of his boys by describing the guy as “disturbed” and claiming that he “often talked in circles, showed signs of paranoia and kept bottles of urine in a messy apartment.” More cover up. Phyllis — bless her — is no fan of profiling, but I fear I must disagree with my old friend when it comes to muslims. It may be one of our few chances for survival.
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To stop Saudi Wahabi funding of Islamic conversions in America, beginning recruitment in our prison system.
If we wanted to do that, we would have to fight the biggest supporters of Saudi Wahhabism, our own government and state department. Tolerating Saudi support of extremism has been the basis of our foreign and energy policies for decades.
Our state department has been working tirelessly to bring more Wahhabi influence into the United States, seeking to allow more than 30,000 Saudi students into the US. They’re also seeking to make it easier for Saudi businessmen to visit the country without all of those annoying visa hassles, even though many of the 9/11 hijackers entered the US under the Saudi ‘visa express’ policy.
State has always sought to increase Wahhabi influence in the US, not to decrease it, even when they know their efforts will probably result in the deaths of thousands of Americans.
Check out this lie uttered by The One today:
“Let me begin by disposing of one argument as plainly as I can: we are not going to release anyone if it would endanger our national security, nor will we release detainees within the United States who endanger the American people.”
Translation:
“Let me begin by assuring you that as soon as I can, I will release these America- hating jihadists into an unsuspecting community so they can continue to plot terrorist attacks on our home soil and recruit more igonrant blacks to their ’cause’.”
Whether or not the perpetrators of this latest attempt at terrorism were acting alone, they are part of a war that includes Iran. Iran just launched a new missile that can travel 1200 miles. Its previous missile, called Shahab III, was acquired from North Korea. Kim Jong-il and Hugo Chavez are Ahmadinejad’s best friends. The Marxist-Islamic alliance is alive and well. Here is something I wrote a while ago that is still relevant:
http://www.jochnowitz.net/Essays/ChavezIran.html
Thank you Ms. Chesler. As always, you speak with a voice that is bold, honest and eloquent. Though the words and story may be hard to hear, it is more dangerous to look away or create, as our current administration is doing, a fantasy world in which the priority is to make sure everyone in the world likes and approves of us and that it is not only feasible, but desirable, to attempt diplomacy with the Hitlers and the Stalins of the world.
NOTHING MORE THAN COWARDS
These are thugs looking for any excuse to butcher innocent men, women & children.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/punks-thugs-gangs-terrorists-same.html
Reading all of the posts here leads me to a conclusion.
If we continue on the path we are on, we will have open warefare in the USA waged by Islamic Terrorists against anything and everything and anyone. This is all in the name of keeping the oil spigot open.
Because with the oil comes Islam…..
It was Thomas Jefferson who said, “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” It was George Washington who said that he feared the slaves would become a most troublesome species of property before too many years passed over our heads.
America is faced with the political and moral dilemma of reconciling pluralism and the inclusion of nonwhites with the democratic ideas espoused by the founding fathers. This is not a democracy in the fullest meaning of the word. Racism has to be overcome in order to gain a full expression of E Pluribus Unum (out of the many, one). Is E Pluribus Unum meant to be interpreted as “out of many White ethnic strains, one people,” or “out of the many strains, White, Black and other, one people?”
Within the walls of this country there are two Americas, separate and unequal, White and Black (including the other non-whites). In order to reconcile these two Americas, the American people must come to terms with the limited vision of the founding fathers. The founding fathers didn’t envision the current population profile, where the number of Black and Hispanic people are growing, threatening the majority states of Whites. Those who desire to maintain the old vision of White rule under the name of democracy and pluralism will no longer be able to continue the subjugation of non-whites. Now is the time for freedom, justice and equality for those who have been deprived if it.
America needs a spiritual healing. In the scriptures it reads, “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” (II Chronicles 7:14) This is the promise of God for us, and for all of America. Moses and Aaron set two signs before the people, one of life and a blessing, and the other of death and a cursing. He said, “… choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.” (Deuteronomy 30:19)
Torchlight for America, Louis Farrakhan,
http://www.amazon.com/Torchlight-America-Louis-Farrakhan/dp/0963764241
JB,
Two Americas, separate and unequal? The citizens of the United States, a majority of whom are white, have elected Obama to be their President. Whether or not one agrees with his policies, we have to admit that he was elected.
There is nothing new in all this. Islam has had a violent element since the beginning. Asia Minor and North Africa were largely Christian before the eighth century. These areas now will not tolerate Christians or Jews today except under compulsion. Why is it that three religions( Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all profess belief in same God, the Father of all; while only Islam has within it, among its adherents, a significant segment dedicated to violence, even at the expense of lives of its own members, so as to eradicate the other two?
Please allow me share with you a note I received from the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) of which I am a member. Notice the fine line we walk on that failed state called Pakistan, the pillar of Islam, according to Osama Bin Laden.
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Namaste HAF Supporters,
On a near daily basis, HAF works to educate members of Congress, not only of the plight of Hindus and other minorities in Pakistan, but also of the misappropriation of US taxpayer dollars that have been given to that nation since the Bush Administration started the “War on Terror.” Numerous reports and testimony have confirmed that US funds have been diverted from the original purpose of fighting the Taliban to that of weaponry against India and strengthening Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. As taxpayers, concerned citizens and advocates, we at HAF believe such reports raise concern not only over the effectiveness of the war in Afghanistan, but also Pakistan’s trustworthiness as an ally.
As you also know, Pakistan continues to violate the rights of its own minority citizens. Recently, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) named Pakistan as a Country of Particular Concern, citing gross human rights violations; lack of the rule of law throughout the country; targeting of the dwindling minority communities; and inflammatory language against other faith traditions and nations in the country’s school textbooks. HAF issued a joint statement, as well as a radio interview, with the Institute for Religion and Public Policy on the jaziya (penalty tax) placed on Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities in the Swat Valley, as well as their consequent fleeing to other regions, including India.
HAF is concerned about the proposed additional $110 million the Obama Administration has pledged to Pakistan. In light of the counterinsurgency offensive in Swat that has resulted in a humanitarian crisis in the Valley, the Administration has sought to allocate the $100 million to USAID, with $10 million provided by the Pentagon for tents, food and water trucks for the displaced. The Administration is also encouraging the public to donate by pledging $5 for every text message with the word Swat to 20222.
While Congressmen understand the impact of Pakistan as a failed state in terms of regional stability, and nuclear arsenal falling into the hands of rogue nations, past reports of misappropriation warrant stringent oversight on the current proposed amount. Pakistan has numerous milestones to achieve in order to ensure that it is a nation dedicated to the betterment of its people, and a strong ally in the war against terror and the Taliban. It is imperative that the Administration continue with its efforts to root out the Tablian in the region, as well as assure the American people that diplomatic, military and financial efforts to Pakistan will yield tangible and intended results. Please know that your continued support is essential to our continued efforts and continued success.
Dhaanyavad,
Ishani Chowdhury
Director of Public Policy
Hindu American Foundation
Am I supposed to feel solidarity with Israel because four idiots in Brooklyn wanted to kill some strangers?
Thanks, but I’ll pass. Just because we can’t pick out enemies doesn’t mean we should cozy up to a bunch of maniacs with a real-estate fetish.
Of the “big 3″ networks, only CBS bothered to follow up on this story tonight on their evening news, albeit with some talking head “expert” re-assuring viewers that were “no ties to al-queda.” Weren’t there? Wherever anti-Jewish, anti-American, anti-anthing-not-muslim forces gather, the spirit of al queda, ben Ladin, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. is among them. Without their “spirtual fathers” to cheer them on, the Brooklyn/Newburgh terrorists could never have even thought to stage another plot against this country. Yes, as Phyllis has put it time and again, we are all Israelis now; and all Americans.
40. JB:
Aren’t you happy yet with the election of so-called African American, President Barack Hussein Obama? I thought that now everything was gonna be honky dory, and everyone was gonna get along finally?
You recommend a book by Farrakhan, is that the same guy that was friends with now Reverend Wright, who went with him to Libya at the height of Qaddafi terrorists activities, when he wasn’t Reverend yet, but Brother Wright and a member of Farrakhan inner circle and a Muslim? Right “converted” to Christianity and now spews hate from the same church that Obama visited for 20 years, taking his family and daughters with him, where he “never” heard anything untoward of course (please remove the ear plugs), and of course Wright gave Farrakhan an award. Wasn’t that same Colonel Qaddafi who ordered his minions to bomb down a Pan Am airliner on Scottish soil killing hundreds of innocent Americans? Luckily we had Reagan then. Or wasn’t that same organization now presided by Farrakhan the one involve in getting rid of Malcolm X when he started to mellow down a little and see things more like the great Dr. King.
Let me recommend to you another book instead, by one of the 2 greatest African Americans:
http://www.amazon.com/Narrative-Life-Frederick-Douglass/dp/1580495761/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242948059&sr=8-1
Frederic Douglass, a lion, a uniter, a believer in the equality of all races, but not a hater like Farrakhan or Reverend Wright.
It’s a great crime to JB that America has been a godsend to millions and millions and millions willing to come here and make the effort to make a decent life.
Filthy worthless goddamned scum of a leftist is what you are, JB.
“The cumulative effects of Islamist recruitment in the U.S. penal system are as stunning as they are ominous. Currently, there are said to be roughly 350,000 inmates in federal, state and local prisons who identify themselves as Muslims.
This problem could be solved by re-sentencing, according to Sharia law, anyone who converts to Islam.
QUESTON “DIVERSITY”,
America isnt a land of immigrants..its a land of white Western European Immigrants that share a common Christian culture and are ruled by basically an Anglo Saxon system of laws and civic values.
It us within these givens that assimilation occurs. Groups that do not share this racial, religious and cultural heritage do not assimilate, and exist as hate filled minorities
stewing in resentment and plotting revenge, or the destruction of the country
American cannot be all things to all peoples..and for 200 or more years we accepted this. Immigration was ruled by a quota system designed to admit small numbers from European countries. Thats is whats behind Americans “immigration” success story.
In the mean time we must all bray the PC/MultiCultural party line..until the next group of plotters gets through and the bombs wake us from our delusions.
#40 JB: “Within the walls of this country there are two Americas, separate and unequal, White and Black (including the other non-whites).”
Wrong. Within the wall of this country are countless millions of people who were either born here, came here legally, or came here illegally – all participating in the single greatest successful experiment of all time: democracy.
Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal outcome, despite all of the attempts to legislate it to be so.
Every time someone says “Black and White” they are creating division, not encouraging and engaging in cohesion.
Every time someone says “reparation for evil deeds of the past” they are creating resentment, not encouraging and engaging in forgiveness.
Now, about the issue of Islam: until it is acknowledged, on a legal level, that there are some factions of muslim that are not representative of a true religion, we will get nowhere on this debate.
It has to be clearly stated that there are certain cells, specifically by name, that are not protected in the United States under the freedom of religion clause.
Profiling is a wonderful thing.
If the person seen leaving the murder scene (4 dead, 1 dying) is wearing a blue T-shirt, red jeans, has red hair and limps, I think it is excellent if the police are looking for someone wearing a blue T-shirt, red jeans, with red hair and a limp.
If the terrorists are all Muslims of Middle Eastern descent who attend highly ranked jihad-training mosques, then I think it’s ok to watch them. All of the terrorist acts committed so far have been committed by Muslims of Middle Eastern descent who attend highly ranked jihad-training mosques.
I still cannot figure out why on earth that approach is offensive to anyone. I suppose it’s the logic of it. It’s not fair to the terrorists if we figure out who they are or something??????
A friend of ours got stopped by cops one day because he matched the description of an escaped felon. He was not offended.
WHAT ON EARTH HAS BECOME OF A HEALTHY SENSE OF SELF-PRESERVATION? Yeah, I know. It got drowned in the political correctness crap.
#48 ehunter: Wrong. The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence do not contain any sort of language specific to country of origin.
It is not the lack of assimilation by other cultures and religions that has caused “hated filled minorities.” Such generalizations are detrimental to effective dialog.
If you want to know the real cause of civil unrest in our country, you need look no further than Russia at the turn of the century, then towards Germany. The last time I looked, those two nations were pretty much populated by white colored people.
Here’s a nifty little video that will help clear the confusion:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236
Please watch this!
Just WHY NOT be in favor of “profiling”?
Have Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, etc etc…called for the extermination of Israel and the USA?
Enough liberal wussy “sensitivity”, Phyllis. Capture and Destroy the f*ckers.
MOOGIE
So when does it end? How many more trillons in welfare, how many trillions in give away jobs that arent performed? how much more dumbing down of the education system so that blacks can feel good about themselves? how many more
phoney college degrees that are not earned?
how many more lawsuits, forced busing programs mandatory quotas…until you admit..that the races are utterly different and will never arrive at this “cohesion”? Hmm?
May I add to the comments about Farrakhan:
It was he who proudly announced his admiration for Hitler as being a great man.
And this is the man who Obama’s (former) church elevated to receive a Lifetitme Achievement award.
For anyone with half a brain who had their eyes open, this should have been enough to know about Obama and his sympathies. Regretably, the media and the majority of the American public chose to either not care or agree. Either way, it was and remains a frightening state of affairs we have gotten ourselves into.
I want to thank whoever waterboarded the guy who told us about these NY terrorists. Oh, we didn’t? Never mind.
Re #40:
“Those who desire to maintain the old vision of White rule under the name of democracy and pluralism will no longer be able to continue the subjugation of non-whites. Now is the time for freedom, justice and equality for those who have been deprived if it.”
When I read tired old drivel like this I want to barf.
Check out the number of so-called “minorities”
who are governors, mayors, congressmen/women, senators, CEO’s . . . this list will astound you.
If you have a good brain and are willing to work hard, the sky’s still the limit, no matter your sex, color, or country of origin.
“Now is the time for freedom, justice, blah blah blah . . .”
How about, “Worker’s of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains.”
That has a really cool ring to it . . . maybe The One will pick up on it, start putting it in his propaganda lectures.
I know, you’re just trying to be funny. Good one!
51. Meryl . . . “All of the terrorist acts committed so far have been committed by Muslims of Middle Eastern descent who attend highly ranked jihad-training mosques.”
I’m gonna give someone else here the chance to gently educate Meryl. I feel my “enhanced technique” may be too . . . harsh.
Barack Obama will not make the effort to rid our country of identity politics. On the contrary, he has often employed the race card. This is the same man, after all, who threw his own white grandmother under the bus. The Democratic Party’s power structure revolves around blacks and other minorities perceiving themselves as victims of white oppression. As a practical manner—they have no reason to lessen the tensions! It helps them win numerous elections. Moreover, there are numerous folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson financially benefitting from race hustling. This never ending encouragement of rage and bitterness will inevitably result in terrorist activity. And why should anyone be surprised?
1) Quite a coincidence, this terorist plot right in America, highlighting the incompetence of the present administration, and its backgroud, Obama’s idiotic discourse on the matter,
2) and also, while in normal time such a brazen and almost successful ciminal enterprise would have been covered adequately by media, today it was relegated to a cursory news presention, designed not to embarrass the Luminous One’s visionary description of “man made destructions” and other obfuscations – oh, by the way, after all this attitude fits very well with those who so calmly sat (and still sit) through the “Hymie town” rants.
I can’t say that Obama was/is indeed a Machurian candidate, scheduled to by a mysterious conspiracy to weaken, divide and make America a helpless polity – yet, if we judge him by the consequences of his acts, he indeed is doing this job, and excellently so.
To Phyllis:
“No, I am not in favor of “profiling,” i.e. discriminating against or persecuting people because of their skin-color or religious beliefs. However, what is one to do when these facts are crucial to the matter at hand?”
Noble attitude Phyllis; yet why do you fall for liberal dissambling? One thing is the so maligned “sterotyping” and another one is the use of “composites” – if this thing walks like a terrorist, looks like a terrorist, quacks like a terrorist, why should we regard it as Mahatma Gandhi?
Obviously a ‘false flag’ op designed to sniff out our methods and operators.
19. Mr. Muhammad:
“It is a sad day, indeed, when the people’s worst enemy is THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.”
You wouldn’t be talking about Syria or Pakistan would you?
Otherwise, Ms. Chesler, good article and I especially liked your comment about reforming our drug laws. Prohibition just doesn’t work when a majority of the population doesn’t want it to work.
I was wondering when native American Black Muslims were going to start carrying out “affinity” group attacks on Jewish targets in the U.S. Over the years, there have been individuals who have done this, and they have collectively slipped under the internal security radar.
Case in point: the Iranian-ordered assassination of Iranian-exile Ali Tabatabai by a Black Muslim in the DC area. He went on to become a movie star in Iran where he still lives after having fled in the early 80′s. Several other members of the assassination plot were captured, convicted and jailed but the case has generally been forgotten.
There have been other Black Muslim attacks on Jews but whether they were part of a coordinated plot, the work of mentally ill individuals, or just home-grown affinity groups, needs to be explored and written about in an updated article. The killing of Rabbi Meir Kahane would be part of this story.
One question needs to be asked, and I don’t have any answers to it right how. It is:
If Louis Farrakhan or any of his leaders, such as the wackedout Khalid former NOI leader, gave the order to their followers to attack and kill American Jews in the name of Allah and Jihad, would they do it?
There are a reported 500,000-700,000 Black Muslims in America, and in the past, a few of their mosques have been the centers of subversion and cop-killers.
Does the Dept. of Justice view them as a potential terrorist and security threat to not only American Jews, but also to America as a whole? Since the Dept. Of Homeland Security has already declared that Iraqi/Afghan war veterans are potential rightwing extremist recruits (that would include my Iraqi OIF veteran son), will Napolitano, that paragon of stupidity, also take a look and issue a report on the Black Muslims/NOI, just like the veterans report, or will she ignore it and sweep the issue under the rug?
Your lives may depend on this. God help us if they do.
#45 MiamaMan, et. al..
>>I thought that now everything was gonna be honky dory, and everyone was gonna get along finally?<<
Give me a friggin break! The majority of White Americans didn’t vote for the President and many can barely hide their hatred of the man as evidence of this and other Limpbaugh/ditto head rants and blogs!
If it were not for the overwhelming majority of Black, Latino, other so-called “minorities” voters as well as the HUGE number of younger White voters who actually belive in “E Pluribus Unum”, McCain would have been a shoe in.. but you best start coming to terms with the demographics.
Regarding the hypocrites who ramble on about Islam, just stop it already! Have you forgotten about the pseudo Chritians who murdered millions of Native Americans and enslaved and murdered millions of Blacks from Africa. Not in some far off land but right here.
I say pseudo because you have as much to do with being a true Christian (follower of Christ) as those whom Jesus Christ condmened in John 8:44.
Cheers.
#50 sheesh, you are right, some were Albanian, some African, now let me feed the data into some Principal Component Analysis — wait, the strongest predictor is the Submission Cult? My stat software must be Islamophobic or something. What about last name starting with “McV” as a predictor? Puny? Not even as good as presence of facial hair? Dang, all those misunderstanders of Islam are messing up the data.
I know sheesh, her saying “all” kinda threw you, but they cover hyperbole (to make a point of course) in Rhetorics, check it out.
Or you can go for stats.
51. Meryl:
“Profiling is a wonderful thing.”
I think I’m going to agree with you.
If it walks like a duck . . .
“There are a reported 500,000-700,000 Black Muslims in America”
These numbers, if accurate, are very disturbing. I have always considered Black Muslims to be inclined toward violence. My hunch is that white right-wing extremists barely total 100,000 throughout the whole country. It is also my understanding that many of the possibly dangerous former military members belong to Hispanic gangs! They are not motivated even slightly by ideological extremism.
Mr. Muhammad @ 19 claims Americans military operations in the Middle East “….resulted in the bombings of schools, hospitals, places of worship…”.
Perhaps if Islamic “freedom fighters” ceased firing at American peacekeeping forces from behind the skirts of their own women and children there would be no collateral casualties, as it is they who have initiated the majority of firefights that have (regretably) killed innocents.
cross posted from littlegreenfootballs.com
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/260/7203260
I just returned from a weekend in NYC and was returning from a run in central park and passed a synagogue on the upper east side of NYC. There are some consulates, embassies and diplomatic residences in the area. There was a security guard, african american, standing at the entrance.
The building was set back from the street with outdoor foyer/entryway that was protected by a gate/fence of massive iron bars that were thick enough to prevent a vehicle from entering.
There was an overhang of the building and the iron gate/fence went completely up to the bottom of the second floor.
I was struck by the presence of about 25 empty strollers in the foyer area and I stopped and talked to the guard. “Wow that is a lot of strollers” His reply was, “There were even more here earlier they come for classes and day care.”
This is the face of terrorism, and this is who these (I would call them scumbags but that would give real scumbags a bad name) monsters were trying to kill. Mothers, toddlers, working stiffs and the random passerby who stops to talk to a man guarding a synagogue.
bars are visible behind the construction, note police cars in front of synagogue, a frequent sight in NYC
there were no police there on the day I passed by
I also noticed police guarding private schools in the same neighborhood
here is a google street view of the entry way. This picture in recent but not current.
Although I can guarantee that there are police in front of this building
The strollers are visible if you zoom in.
http://tinyurl.com/nycsnagogue
Phyllis, you have fallen into the trap set for you by the same media you question.
What is “homegrown” terrorism? This is used by the media to make it seem that somehow,
we in U.S. are responsible for the choices these barbarians made. Not too different from “domestic” violence to make spousal assault the fault of the victim. Let’s call them what they are. CRIMINALS. I don’t care where they were born. What you call a thing pretty much determines how you think about it. I hope we all wake up soon.
Hello?
Something weird is happening with this thread.
65. JB:
#45 MiamaMan, et. al..]
Allow me to answer.
1) [Give me a friggin break! The majority of White Americans didn’t vote for the President and many can barely hide their hatred of the man as evidence of this and other Limpbaugh/ditto head rants and blogs!...If it were not for the overwhelming majority of Black, Latino, other so-called “minorities” voters as well as the HUGE number of younger White voters...McCain would have been a shoe in...]
You may need Math 101. First you contradict yourself…Did the majority of whites not vote for Obama? Or a HUGE number of younger whites voted for him? Fact is, with all the blacks, Hispanics, Jewish vote, and even the percentage of younger whites vote, still he couldn’t make it, do your math, and needed a percentage of what we may call “regular whites”, many of whom are now having a hangover.
My contention is the lies that Obama used to get elected, starting with his so-called “autobiography”, the strong-arm tactics of ACORN, the slanted media, and so on. Add to that the BS of HOPE and CHANGE.
2) [Regarding the hypocrites who ramble on about Islam, just stop it already! Have you forgotten about the pseudo Christians who murdered millions of Native Americans and enslaved and murdered millions of Blacks from Africa. Not in some far off land but right here.]
If you choose to be blind, then dumb, it is your choice. What you are using is an “historical fallacy”. It is fallacious because the deeds you mention existed, yes, meaning murder and genocide of native American populations in large scale, blacks, etc, but the modern context does not allow a comparison, for what you said was done centuries ago, Christian Europe had first a Renaissance, which brought the Protestant Reformation under Martin Luther, and finally an Enlightenment that brought a Humanization. Islam has not changed, can’t change according to the Koran, it is as militant, backward, and brutal today, as it was centuries ago. Who continues with the beheading, stonings of women, hanging of gays just for being gay, cutting off hands, genital mutilations, ethnic cleansing, and on, and on? So, we won’t stop it. Capici?
3) Finally: [I say pseudo because you have as much to do with being a true Christian (follower of Christ) as those whom Jesus Christ condemned in John 8:44.}
As for me, I am not even Christian, but follow Sanatana Dharma.
You sound a little “pseudo”.
Hyperbole can undercut credibility if over-applied, but you knew what I meant.
The holier-than-thou “refusal to profile” is killing us. Literally.
#74 – MiamaMan
Dude. Please don’t try to rationalize genocide and apartheid in the name of religion. Just accept reality and try to make it better. ALL organized religion is top heavy with hypocrites to their own creeds, including Sanatana Dharma, no exceptions, period!
Next, there is no contradiction apart your possibliy being a bit slow or fuzzy in your math. Please try to follow the arithmetic: McCain won over 55% of White votes okay? ..But the President won over 54% of YOUNG White votes, alright? With the addition of the coalition of Black and Latino voters, the President won by a landslide.
Like I wrote in my previous post, many of those 55%-plus can barely hide their venemous hatred of the man. But on the positive side, the enlightenment of young White voters (who believe in E Pluribus Unum) coupled with the demographics means the haters will continue to marginalize themselves out of relevance.
Still in denial regarding the hatred I write about.. try a simple google with Obama and ni***r and read a few of the half-Million pages returned.
Re #75:
Correct. Profiling works.
If there weren’t places in the world that sucked up most of the jihadists we would be faced with more attacks (or attempted) ones here. Its a fairly stark choice fight the Islamists somewhere else or in our own communities. I know which I would chose. Clearly some of the left have a contrary point of view to mine.
“But the President won over 54% of YOUNG White votes, alright?”
These younger voters are generally immature and intellectually shallow. They are also easily guilt tripped regarding race issues. The older whites could have cared less about the color of Obama’s skin. They focussed entirely on his socialist economic views and self-hating American foreign policies. Venomous hatred of the man? Nothing could be further from the truth. I consider him to be merely another George McGovern—or Saul Alinsky.
I’m confused:someone please help me:I thought Islam was a religion of peace.Our last imbecile in chief said so could it be that he was wrong?
#79 David Thomson..
Ah yes.. just those young immature kids.. LOL.
I would have you know that those “immature” kids are always at the forefront of revolutionary changes in societies and governments all throughout history and event to the present day. Stubborn old ideas are impediments to growth.
Martin Luther King fought for civil rights as a teen.. Jesus started his ministry at age 30.. but of course the ideological old fogies of their time looked at them as “generally immature and intellectually shallow”.
America, wake up the chickens are coming home to roost…
This phenomenon of domestic terrorism will multiply. Federal and local law enforcement will eventually be spread too thin due to the massive threat volume.
Its started already. These madmen will probably be successful at one point in blowing up synogogues. Just like in the 30′s the Jews are the canary in the coal mine again.
but it wont end there.
Just like they do everywhere else in the world these madmen will start blowing up malls, train stations, airports and planes. Expect to see metal detectors start popping up everywhere. security gaurds. Invasions of privacy. For our own “security” of course. but it wont help. How can it? we are too morally confused to even define the enemy.
At some point these madman will try to detonate a dirty bomb. they may be successful.
the resulting curtail in personal freedoms to combat the domestic threat may spell the end of free society.
50 years from now our grandchildren will wonder what a free society looked like since they will not grow up in one.
G-d help us all.
“I would have you know that those “immature” kids are always at the forefront of revolutionary changes…”
I am reminded of Sofia Perovskaya who lead the assassination of Alexander II. The Russian emperor was a genuine reformer—but that wasn’t good enough for the radical socialists. The childishly immature Sofia was convinced that his death would result in a revolution of the proletariat. Alas, the exact opposite occurred. The royal family merely became more reactionary and hostile towards change. It can be readily argued that this young lady destroyed Russia’s last chance to create a constitutional government.
Immature Cuban students are greatly responsible for helping Castro to achieve power. Younger people have also been involved in bringing about other vile dictatorships. This is actually the norm. Young people may at time be more idealistic than their parents. However, their immaturity often entices them to become involved in some very dubious movements.
I wonder how many of the “unknown” donors to the Obama campaign were Wahabi.
Did that happen recently? Is that still ongoing? Get in the now dude, get out of the past. None of us posting on here were alive back then!!!!!
76. JB:
Hey Dude, try to organize your mental mush. All religions are imperfect, for man-made they are.
Why would I Google your recommendation…are you serious?
80. deguello:
You’re correct, Dubbya called Islam a “religion of peace”…what can I say? Political correctness at its best, the most scary is that I think that, I least then, he believed it.
“I would have you know that those “immature” kids are always at the forefront of revolutionary changes…”
___________
. . . And then there were the young Iranian revolutionaries, including many young Iranian women, who convinced themselves and a whole sleugh of avante garde leftists in the west that they were fighting on behalf of the “oppressed masses” and against tyranny when they overthrew the Shah. What they got instead was a theocractic fascist government complete with death fatwas, forced veiling (imposed by ever present “morality police),” the islamically sanctioned murders of Bahai (it’s not a crime to kill one, since they don’t qualify as dhimmis under islamic law), the forced marriage of nine year old girls in plural marriages, and theocractic boards who disqualify any candidate for office that doesn’t wholly support Shia mullocratic thocracy.
Yes, immature revolutionaries come in many different flavors – including “Stupid.”
#56sheesh:
I want to thank whoever waterboarded the guy who told us about these NY terrorists. Oh, we didn’t? Never mind.
Don’t you realize that you are proving the point? Waterboarding is used when imminent danger is suspected AND no other technique works.
In yesterdays case, the FBI had been following those guys for over a year based on an informants tip.
Come on you idiots. Just about any sting dealing with any crime would have caught these dudes up in it. Are you retarded? Does the FBI really need to be spending millions of dollars to get ordinary criminals off the street? There have been about five such stings and all of them have faced huge challenges in court; they are quite literally the FBI going out and offering criminals money to be involved in a terrorist enterprise rather than a criminal one.
I know you people are unforgivably stupid and chronic, ****cowards but grow a little backbone. What happened to all that tea-bagging crap. Don’t you think they need taxes to pull this s–t off?
As a non-American looking in, fervently hope the US has the endurance to survive Obama. He will destroy your beautiful nation on the plank of making nice to every piece of human fecal matter on this earth.
I understand the need to keep the comments clean. From now on I’ll write pant-crapping.
Will California start to release convicts in an attempt to alleviate it budget problems? If so, it may be time to start barricading the synagogues and churches there.
PROFESSOR OBAMA’S IDEOLOGY IS DUMB
Placing the world’s most dangerous terrorists on American soil is stupid.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/fbi-director-mueller-is-right-obama-is.html
Love the name calling, it reallys stresses your points in the most mature way.
You think the criminals were lured by the FBI…hahahaha hahahahaha
Conservatives agree with taxes for defense, protection (FBI, CIA) but not for silly liberal things. You are a funny man! I bet you wished you could get teabagged!!! LOL
Oscar:
Cases like this have been a challenge for the government in the past because, out of an abundance of caution, the fed normally arrests the guy immediately after he acquires the weaponry but before it can be definitively determined what he intends to do with it. The fed won’t have that problem in this case since they arrested the a**holes after they ARMED the devices and placed them in parked cars IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE two different jewish centers.
Vivo, what’s so weird?
As for immature kids, the youth will do things that their parents wouldn’t dare do. Sometimes it’s because the parents don’t have the guts or the vision, but usually it’s because they’re smart enough not to do what the youth foolishly decide to do.
I have an idea. Read a newspaper. You seem to have no idea how these stings have been undertaken.
Ms Attitude: see the response to Omar. I wouldn’t waste a factual point on you people. You live in a fantasy land. The problem for you is that its getting smaller and lonelier every day.
“The men, all of whom live in Newburgh, about 60 miles north of New York City, were arrested around 9 p.m. after planting what they believed to be bombs in cars outside the Riverdale Temple and the nearby Riverdale Jewish Center, officials said. . . .”
That’s the NY Times report, Oscar. . . . When you actually load up the “bombs” and plant them directly outside two separate synagogues with the clear intention of blowing them up, it’s pretty hard to argue entrapment.
Oscar:
. . . Or maybe you’re simply confused about the actual meaning of “Entrapment?”
If you wish to discuss this further, it may be helpful to define terms.
The West must tell the truth! Stop hiding the truth! Educate the prison populace, America and the Free World on the horrifying reality of the barbaric, inhuman treatment of Blacks by Muslim perpetrators.
African Americans converting to Islam – the religion that enslaves Blacks? That makes war on the Black brothers and sisters!
We are in a fight for our survival against global jihad. If we are to survive, Western leaders must STOP their appeasement and surrender.
END BLACK SLAVERY by Arab MUSLIM MASTERS
We Must Protest Globally Demanding Freedom for the Slaves.
BBC NEWS
13 December 2004
Slavery: Mauritania’s best kept secret
By Pascale Harter
BBC News, Nouakchott
Skyra is a runaway Mauritanian slave. Her earliest childhood memories are of fetching water, tending animals and cooking and cleaning.
“I was tied up all night and all day.
They only untied me so I could do my chores. In the end I could barely move my limbs.” She never earned a single penny…
Rape
Skyra was born to a slave mother so there was never any question she would be anything else. She remembers the years she spent treated like an animal.
“They raped me often,” she says shaking with anger.
“My master is the father of my first child, my master’s son is the father of my second child and my baby girl’s father was my master’s nephew”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4091579.stm
Mohammad, founder of Islam, beheaded 700 Jews who obeyed G-D’s Laws, because they refused to follow the new religion of Islam. Mohammad was a huge slave trader and considered the perfect man and role model by Muslims.
January 22, 2001
by Samuel Cotton
(This article appeared in the February 1-February 7, 1995, issue of The City Sun.)
ARAB MASTERS-BLACK SLAVES
“Black Africans in Mauritania were converted to Islam more than 100 years ago,” says Mohamed Athie, Executive Director of the American Anti-Slavery Group, [and]. . .”the Koran forbids the enslavement of fellow Muslims, but in this country race outranks religious doctrine. . . Though they are Muslims, these people are chattel: used for labor, sex and breeding.”
Africa Watch reported that “Religion has been used by masters as an important instrument to perpetuate slavery.
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/2252001.htm
When Muslims occupied and ruled Eastern Europe, as a tax, one out of five European children were taken as slaves to Turkey. In our day, hundreds of thousands of Black Sudanese Christians have been taken for slaves by Sudan’s Arab Muslims.
Islamic SLAVERY, Atrocities and Tortures of Slaves so terrible, that the article ‘ARAB MASTERS-BLACK SLAVES’ (http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/2252001.htm) declare they cannot print them. What IS printed is utterly horrific.
Conversion to Islam is supposed to buy protection from Islamic barbarism.
And G-D said, “What have you done? Your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground.”
WHY no outcry and prosecution of these terrible crimes against Black humanity from the US/EU/UN?
Let’s see now within the last 8 years , Muslim’s have rioted , Murdered and Suicide bombed in all these countries doing all Three , starting with America ,Spain , England , Denmark , Ireland , France , Germany ,Canada , Turkey, Israel , Lebanon , Egypt , Russia , The Philippines , Chad , Congo ,Rwanda ,Namibia, Niger , Nigeria
Kenya , Morocco , Zaire ,Algeria , Angola
Mozambique, Liberia, , Sudan )(Somalia Pirating 51 Ships ),Sierra Leone , Dafur , Botswana , South Africa , Pakistan ,Iran , Iraq , China , India ,Afghanistan , Armenia , Azerbaijan, Bahain , Bangladesh ,Bhutan,Brunel , Thailand ,Burma(Myanmar)Cambodia ,Jordan , Syria , Saudi Arabia ,Sri Lanka , Uzbekistan, Yemen , Singapore ,Georgia and now Greece to name a few ….
Boy am I ever glad Islam is a religion of Peace and Gentle understanding .
So where have Christian Conservatives and America’s finest done the same thing in 8 years ?
No Where that’s where .
No wonder Obama and his Homeland Security Chief Janet N. says that our Military coming home from War and Gun Totting Christian Conservatives need to be watched carefully by Homeland Security and our Police Forces .
After all her far left mindless Numbers prove that …
Here is what The State Police Association own Numbers proved in 2008 .
Just for the record . White Americans and White Military Vets commit 6.3 % of all Homicides and are 56.6 % of our Population in America .
Blacks are 13.1 % of our Population , Hispanics are 15.6 % of our population and they combined at 28.7 % of our Population commit 77.9 % of all Homicides . The rest are spread out over 9 other races . 97.1 % of Hispanic and Black murders are on each other … Blacks on murder Blacks .
Ironically Blacks and Hispanics are “”[ Not ]“” on Homeland Security Must Watch list She sent to all Police Departments in America two weeks ago .
Last week 4 long time Black Criminals in NY City became Moslem hate White Americans , Jews and were trying to blow up a Temple and shoot down with Stinger Missiles our Military aircraft . After being “Brian Washes in Moslem Wahabbism in our Prisons . That is the radical religion of Al Quada and Teliban .
I can’t wait for all of those 241 Gitmo detainees to teach “Wahabbism” in our Prisons …
is Obama brilliant or what !
Great article.
Profiling and informants at the mosques are important tools to fight the jihadists. We need to fight the enemy with every means necessary. Otherwise we will die.
The inmates’ reading material should be restricted to the Bible and Koran (etc.) and we should get rid off the Wahhabism in America.
The fact that rabbis and ministers come to the rescue of the mosque is beyond me. Appeasement will not work.
unless we wish to become a toilet like england for these scum, we’d better instantly start body slamming the nutjobs with firepower. you know there are going to be copycat imbeciles. every cockroach will come crawling out of the woodwork. remember, we had nazis marching on east 86th street and filling madison square garden while we were denying there was reason to be alarmed.
now, we’ve got the bottom of the shoe crap running around with bombs. these “converts” to islam are the new nazis and just plain old criminal psycopaths. our freshman president doesn’t seem to get it. what’s up with this guy.
“Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which should be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.”
Sloane (1990) 49 A Crim R 270.
This is why you people have so much trouble with reality. Its not something one defines on the cuff and hopes for the best. There are decades of case law that are relevant here and well-known. In the Sears Tower case, It took the state 3 trials to get a conviction; after two hung juries, its quite clear that the prosecution was merely willing to keep rolling the dice until they found a jury willing to convict. Best 1 out of 3? Is that justice anywhere. In that case, by the way, the informant purchased guns for the inviduals.
There are many issues to be considered when finding for entrapment–the conduct of the informant, and whether or not the defendants were disposed to committ the crime without the involvement of the state [clearly in this case, absolutely not]. Even the FBI terms it “aspirational”–the defendants could not have committed the crime without the aid of the government. However, given the stupidity prevalent in today’s discourse and clearly in evidence here I’m sure they’ll find a jury willing to convict–eventually.
And this is why I was loathe to waste facts on you people. What’s the point? You live in an immutable fantasy land.
96. myth buster:
“Vivo, what’s so weird?”
MB prejudging as usual:
I said weird because one of my postings disappeared TWICE. Who did that?
Oscar:
I notice you use the source which appears as the first footnote in the wikipedia entry, which (shockingly enough) does not elaborate on or include any explanation as to the meaning of “unlikely to commit.”
If you contine on and supplement your understanding from a few other sources, you will find that, under either an objectice or subjective standard, these men were clearly predisposed to commit the crime for which they were charged as well as ready and willing to do so. Here are a few more definitions which make this element clear:
” . . . A person is ‘entrapped’ when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had NO PREVIOUS INTENT to commit . . .”
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm
” . . The act of officers or agents of the government in inducing a person to commit a crime NOT CONTEMPLATED BY HIM . . .” Black’s law Dictionary
To paraphrase: You can lead a jihadist to a fake bomb (especially when he asks you for one), but you can’t “make” him arm it and plant it beside a synagogue. That part’s HIS responsibility.
You’re deeply confused about what a footnote is supposed to do. The other meanings are almost identical. “inducing a person to commit an offense which should be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit”
by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had NO PREVIOUS INTENT to commit
The act of officers or agents of the government in inducing a person to commit a crime NOT CONTEMPLATED BY HIM
Indeed, this is what will be seen in a trial, and what tripped up previous trials. As I said, the trial of the men who purportedly wanted to blow up the Sears Tower hung a jury twice and took nearly three years to find a verdict. The cost was millions of dollars to taxpayers. I have no doubt this one will also find a lot of incredulous jurors, and it will be up to the state to prove that the man had intent to commit acts terror, not simply crimes for pay, which is what seems likely. They’ll do it on your dime in order to convince you that terror cells are ubiquitous and that the FBI has a near omnipotent and all-prescient capacity to catch every one. And because, as is obvious from your responses, your stupid, you’ll believe it. Then one day, a terror cell will manage to commit some 9-11esque terrorist act. And you’ll be scratching your head because you thought the US could find and stop them all; they can’t, they won’t. This is meant to offer you a false sense of security only. Enjoy it while it lasts.
“vile rap music that denigrates women and traditional values.”
I call bulls**t. I listen to thee most hardcore hip-hop music. Yet I’m not a loon.
Please, That’s like blaming GTA 4 for school shootings Or blaming a gun for killing people. PLEASE!
Hey!
Reading this and readers comments made me realized just how misinformed the majority of them are. In this age of information overload and the fact that America is the most advanced nation on earth could not allow me to overlook the ignorance displayed. For that reason, I’ll do a favor to the readers here by giving them the web address for a lesson in history.
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Thank you.
What happened to the web address I appended to my comment of May 26, 2009 – 6:35 am?
Here it is again:http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/
Thank you.
And by the way, during the age when even the king of england bathe only once a year, IF he did, Muhammad taught his friends and followers about cleanliness and personal hygiene, including cleaning their mouth and teeth, and bathing regularly.
Islam even released educated prisoners of war in exchange for teaching the illiterate Muslims reading and writing skills when the rest of the world, especially in the western hemisphere were still barbaric!
I’d like to agree that we are all Israelis now. But I fear that most of the country, particularly on the coasts, are not going to get it until there are some bombings in their own neighborhood.
The fact is, lamentable though it may be, that an attack, an unsuccessful attack no less, on a bunch of Jews in NY, is not going to make liberal Christians in other cities suddenly feel like Israelis.
Hell, it isn’t even enough to make liberal Jews in NY feel like Israelis.
We’ve still got a way to go before people wake up.
It’s shocking, but 9/11 was insufficient to make the proper impression. It’s going to require more blood.
This is for the benefit of that comentator who posted articles on the Barbary Coast Pirates.
Ward the Pirate © Abdal-Hakim Murad, January 2003
Were they pirates, or were they warriors for Islam? For centuries, historians have debated the significance of one of the most stirring episodes in the history of Britain’s Muslim minority. Men such as Captain John Ward of Kent astounded their compatriots by proudly adopting Islam to fight the Inquisition and the expansionist powers of Europe. Contemporaries called such men ‘corsairs’; they themselves considered themselves mujahidin. Some were among the most pious Muslims this country has yet produced. Others were famous drunkards and lechers.
Ward and his likes were described by the adventurer John Smith. Later to be Disneyfied thanks to his romance with Princess Pocahontas, Smith was one English traveller who saw these Muslims at first hand, having spent some years in the Ottoman army before sailing to New England. He wrote a book, the True Travels and Adventures, to describe the European Muslims who were fighting for the Crescent against the Cross. Leading the list were men of Holland and England, who, disgusted by religious wars in their own countries, and unpersuaded by Trinities and Vicarious Atonements, ‘took the Turbant of the Turke’. ‘Because they grew hateful to all Christian princes,’ Smith observed, ‘they retired to Barbary.’
Smith was firmly of the opinion that the pirating lifestyle was introduced to the Barbary States by these Europeans, ‘who first taught the Moors to be men of war.’ His compatriots were well aware of the names of the seaborne mujahidin, particularly Captain Danseker and Captain Ward, among the most skilled seamen in the annals of English history, who placed their gifts at the disposal of emirs and sultans, and whose swashbuckling exploits Smith was able to retell in hair-raising detail.
Until the arrival of these European adventurers, the coastal ports of North Africa had been unused to war. They had, however, found new prosperity as the home of Spanish Muslims expelled by King Phillip III in 1610, an event that was perhaps the greatest act of racial brutality seen in Europe prior to the Nazi Holocaust. Most Moors knew little of the sea, and still less of the infernal arts of gunpowder; but they welcomed Muslims from the Mediterranean lands, and from the seafaring nations of the North, who were willing to accept Islam in exchange for military service with the Spanish exiles. By the middle of the sixteenth century, English Muslims were at the forefront of this movement, ranging the seas to capture first Spanish, and then any Christian ship, enslaving the crew, and selling the cargo as spoils of war.
Horrified priests regularly emerged from the churches of Algiers, Tunis and Sale, to witness the regular conversion celebrations in the streets. They report that slaves who converted would accept Islam in a simple ceremony in a mosque; but free men and women would do so at the tomb of a local saint, to which they would be led in a great public procession, preceded by a military band. Riding a horse, and holding an arrow in his hand to symbolise commitment to the Jihad, a newly-circumcised Englishman would then learn the basics of the Qur’an, and apply himself to his new vocation. Only a minority took to the sea; others are known to have made a living as tailors, or butchers, or even as imams of mosques. To this day there is a building in the Moroccan town of Sale known as the ‘Englishman’s Mosque.’
Most of these individuals took the secret of their lives with them to the grave. Thanks to the Spanish Inquisition, however, historians have access to information about a good number of them. Those who returned to a seafaring life ran the risk of recapture and interrogation by the Inquisition’s priests, and it is from the Inquisition’s meticulously-kept records that we know the details of their conversion, and, often, their tragic fate.
One Inquisition court, in the year 1610, investigated no fewer than thirty-nine Britons. Twelve of them were from the ports of the West Country. Ten were Londoners; six were from Plymouth, and others originated in Middlesbrough, Lyme, and the Channel Islands. In 1631, the Inquisition in the Spanish city of Murcia tried one Alexander Harris, who as Reis Murad had become a prominent Muslim seafarer. He was convicted, forced to convert to Catholicism, and sentenced to seven years as a galley-slave. Another unfortunate Englishman was Francis Barnes, who admitted to the inquisitors that he had faithfully prayed and fasted ‘in the Mahometan manner’ while working as a ship’s pilot at Tunis, where he was captured by Spanish raiders. In 1626, Robin Locar of Plymouth, also known as Ibrahim, was captured by Tuscan galleys and convicted of practising Islam. Captain Jonas of Dartmouth, known as Mami al-Inglizi, was yet another victim of these dreaded Spanish raiders.
An interrogation by the Inquisition was meant to be terrifying. One survivor, the Plymouth Muslim Lewis Crew, described how the priests, after using various forms of torture, would ask the Muslim captive whether they would accept papal teaching on six issues. Firstly came the Trinity, as the main point at issue between Islam and Christianity. Second was the perpetual virginity of Mary. Third was the Immaculate Conception. Fourthly, questions would be asked about the doctrine of Purgatory. Fifthly, the accused would be required to demonstrate his orthodoxy on the doctrine of papal supremacy. Finally, the Sacraments of the Catholic Church would be the subject of a complex investigation, which no doubt confused the simple sailors who made up the majority of the Inquisition’s convicts. Like many others, Crew had steeled himself for a religious debate of the kind held in public between converts and Christians in Algiers; he found, however, that the Inquisition was interested only in enforcing orthodoxy, not in justifying it.
The Inquisition’s writ counted for nothing in Protestant England; but even here, those Muslim sailors who returned to their homes could face interrogation and martyrdom. Sir Walter Raleigh, commenting on the gravity of the problem, recorded that ‘Renegadoes, that turn Turke, are impaled’, and this seems to have been the usual punishment for such men. Three English martyrs are known in the year 1620, while in 1671, a Welshman was put to death by impalement after refusing to reconvert to Christianity. Archbishop Laud was so concerned by the Muslim presence that he instituted a miniature English version of the Inquisition. His ‘Form of Penance’, enforced in 1637, laid down strict rules to ensure the sincerity of reconversions to Christianity, including the use of penitential robes and white wands borrowed directly from Catholic practice.
Despite the best efforts of the inquisitors, the corsair cities continued to thrive. By the end of the sixteenth century, the number of Englishmen and other Europeans who had joined this adventure had become enormous. Diego de Haedo, a Benedictine priest, estimated that by 1600, half of the population of Algiers was made up of European converts and their descendents. Later, Voltaire was to remark on ‘the singular fact that there are so many Spanish, French and English renegades, whom one may find in all the cities of Morocco.’
Most of the corsairs were of humble origins. A few, however, were well-known in their own lands. One such was Sir Francis Verney (1584-1615), who ‘turned Turk in Tunneis’, and was later captured and served for two years as a galley slave as a punishment for his conversion.
But perhaps the two best-known English corsairs were the celebrated sea-dogs John Ward and Simon Danseker. A seventeenth-century ballad heard throughout the taverns of England sang that
All the world about has heard
Of Danseker and Captain Ward
And of their proud adventures every day.
Ward, in particular, rose in the public eye until he became the best-known English pirate since Sir Francis Drake. Born at Faversham, he spent his teenage years working the fisheries. Late in the reign of Queen Elizabeth he joined the Navy, where his rebellious temperament impelled him to the unofficial capture of a ship rumoured to be carrying the treasure of Catholic refugees. The ship turned out to be empty of treasure, but the enterprising Ward used her to capture a much larger French ship off the south coast of Ireland, and to vanish from the Navy for good.
It was in this ship, which he called the Little John to drive home his image as a kind of latter-day Robin Hood, that he sailed to Tunis, hoping to join the campaign against the Catholic nations of the Mediterranean. He found favour with Kara Osman, the commander of the local janissary garrison, and at some point joined Islam.
His maritime prowess soon put him, according to a French report of 1606, in command of over five hundred Muslim and Christian volunteers. Among these were Captain Samson, in charge of prizes, Richard Bishop of Yarmouth (Ward’s first lieutenant), and James Procter of Southampton, who served as his gunner. Perhaps his greatest seaborne achievement was the capture of the Venetian galleon Reinera e Soderina, displacing 1500 tons, whose treasure amounted to over two million ducats.
By the second decade of the seventeenth century, Ward was master of the central Mediterranean. Another ballad has him send the following message to James I:
Go tell the King of England, go tell him this from me,
If he reign king of all the land, I will reign king at sea.
Life in Tunis, as in the Muslim world generally, was more refined and comfortable than its equivalent in Europe, and despite several offers, Ward showed no sign of yearning for his home shores. He built a palace, described by William Lithgow, the Scottish raconteur who passed through Tunis in 1616, as ‘a fair palace beautified with rich marble and alabaster stones. With whom I found domestics, some fifteen circumcised English renegades, whose lives and countenances were both alike. Old Ward their master was placable and diverse times in my ten days staying there I dined and supped with him.’ Another visitor, Edward Coxere, reported that Ward ‘always had a Turkish habit on, he was to drink water and no wine, and wore little irons under his Turk’s shoes like horseshoes’.
When Ward died of the plague in 1622, England seemed to be in two minds about him. There were many who hailed him as the scourge of the Papist navies, or as a man of humble origins who rose to humble the rich and powerful. Others found it harder to accept him, because of his voluntary conversion to Islam, and his adoption of Turkish ways and values. He was ‘the great English pirate … it is said that he was the first that put the Turks in a way to turn pirates at sea like himself’. But he was not soon forgotten. Later generations of English Muslims, both at home and in North Africa, admired him as a superb mariner, fearless in battle, and a doughty warrior for the Crescent against those who expelled the Moriscos, and sought to impose their implacable and cruel customs on the free lands of the South, where church, mosque and synagogue coexisted for centuries, and where humble birth was no barrier to glory.
Ahem. Now that we know for sure there were no WMDs in Iraq and the invasion is illegal, what should we do?
Take Mr Bush to the International Court for crimes against humanity?
Mr Cheney (Darth Vader)?
The generals?
The soldiers?
The American people?
The American nation?
WHO?
Come on…
Where is my posting?
Don’t you think it is relevant to this topic that you raised?
Are you myopic?
Hypocrite?
Ooooooo… You are a Jewish woman… who’s ancestors were given shelter by the Muslims and tortured during the Spanish inquisition.
Well… what more can I say.