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Who Are These ISIS Guys and Why Is Obama Willing to Bomb Them?

August 7th, 2014 - 7:47 pm

It may well be that ISIS is one of at least two too-clever-by-half operations masterminded by our enemies.  At the beginning, ISIS spun off from Al Qaeda because, we were told, Zawahari was too moderate for them.  AQ didn’t slaughter enough, didn’t crucify enough, wasn’t psychotic enough for their taste.

It seems that Iran gave ISIS support, in keeping with its well-documented practice of supporting all sides in other countries’ internal conflicts, the better to a) figure out what’s going on, b) penetrate organizations that might win, and seem actually or potentially dangerous to Tehran, and c) spread riot and ruin, figuring that the Quds Force and/or Hezbollah can dominate most any regional battlefield this side of Gaza.

If you want a lively and accurate picture of this Iranian strategy over the past decade or so, read this Foreign Policy piece by Michael Weiss.

Thus, the Iranians were in cahoots with ISIS, an organization that seems to have recruited the worst of the worst killers, torturers, rapists and megalomaniacs.  In a world unfortunately over populated with evil men, ISIS finds lots of would-be General Zods to demand everyone kneel and worship them.  And they love to kill everyone, Muslims, infidel Christians, the whole lot.  Perfect clients.

Except that the Iranians should have been more careful what they wished for;  ISIS did altogether too well, and declared “the Caliphate,” which excited still more followers.  The Iranians don’t like this at all (they like the idea of “the Caliphate” just fine, but under the rule of their very own supreme leader, not some nut case named al-Baghdadi).

So the Iranians are now fighting ISIS, but they’re over-committed in Syria and all over Iraq.  Ergo, when you ponder President Obama’s decision to (maybe) intervene against ISIS in Iraq, keep in mind that such a move would please Tehran.  At least for the moment.

Keep another thing in mind, too.  Please.  The Iranians are not nearly as brilliant as a lot of pundits think they are (I mean, they’ve thoroughly wrecked their own country, after all), and on this one, if I’m right, they unleashed a real monster that is threatening some of their most basic interests (above all, Bashar Assad).  And now there’s the possibility of a new monster on the block:  American military operations right next door.  To the great benefit of the Kurds.  Who are yet another threat to Tehran…

Too clever by half.

They’re not the only ones…

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I am an Iraq war vet and here is my take....you can NOT, let me say that again....can NOT allow a terrirost organization to form a country state in any shape or form. I helped free the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator. And by ruthless I mean evil. You can not imagine the things we found during the invasion. Stuff that never made it past the liberal media. Now Iraq is a baby country trying to find its legs. They are now an allie. Thats right...Iraq in an allie of the U.S.. We have an obligation to help them just as if South Korea was under attack. Our president is allowing a terriroist group form a country state in an allie country and it makes me sick. He is spitting in my face and the faces of all the women and men who worked so hard to set that country free. I don't care about missing weapons of mass destruction. We freed a people and I am proud of that. Now ISIS or AQ or whoever they are is taking that country over and flying their own flag? You have to be kidding me. We should be carpet bombing them into dust. Show the rest of the world and AQ that we will not allow thugs and terrorists to form a country. You inaction makes me sick Mr. President.
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Why don't we just wait till the dust settles then kill the winners?
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ISIS rampaging from Syria to Iraq and beyond is a superbug virus caught by Obama leaving the region out in the cold.

The isolationists and Jew haters (but I repeat myself) really don't care if the superbug devours all of Iraq, murders Christians, wipes out Kurds and kills Jews. (And "neocons").

They see absolutely no connection between a seething, raging caliphate seeking torrent "over there" and our security and safety over here.

These checkerboard masters have no capacity to read a chessboard. Pulling out of Iraq and "Afcrapistan" is their "brilliant move" jumping two whole pieces at a time! Wow!

Weakening and softening up every Christian city and town for the slaughter. Cleansing the landscape of Kurds. Who cares! Certainly not Checkerboard Clem and No Jihad Jed here.

ISIS is the void filler superbug that was created by weakness in our immune system and by Obama and his cabal's secret Muslim Brotherhood pact.

Tehran and the Mullahfia, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood may have to sort out their alliances in a game of king of the hill. But make no mistake. Our weakness coupled with Obama and his cabal's selling out of America and Israel WILL bring the chess game to our shores.

And all the Checkerboard Clem's and No Jihad Jed's will have us isolated just like they always wanted.
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golf great. bombing great. life is good. it's good to be king.
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And you are a great, Michael! Oh yeah, bravery, ferocity and supremacy. I love all these tones, really effective.
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The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, al Nasrah Front, and other extreme Islamic groups in the region, all of them came from al-Qaeda's ideology, which based on fascist Wahhabi Salafi doctrine that despises life and its values. This thought has created the most evil organizations on the surface of the earth.
As for ISIS, in the years when they were getting started, ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein, then received support from Sunni monarchies and wealthy individuals in some Arab oil-rich countries in the Persian Gulf, and recently from the Syrian and Iranian intelligence, which at first some of their members have penetrated the Syrian opposition since the Islamist fighters (ISIS) came to Syria under the pretext of Syrian people protection, in particular, to protect Sunnis who suffering under the atrocities of the Assad regime. But ultimately we saw that most of its victims are from the individuals of the moderate Syrian opposition and the Free Syrian Army. Although "I doubt that there is a moderate Syrian opposition?!" but that opposition on the ground has become today at war on two fronts by both terrorist groups and the regime. Generally most of logistical support recently came via the secular and moderate muslim Turkey.

Anyway, the Sunni and shiite terrorists today are very powerful than ever, they have a strong base in Iraq and Syria and Lebanon. therefore the monarchies in the Persian Gulf and Israel must play an important role in the battle against terrorism, in particular "Saudi Arabia", which is considered to be an important and vital strategic ally to the United States.
Saudis must play an important leadership role in the region, especially in arming and assisting the moderates of the Syrian opposition. First and foremost fight terrorism and squash terrorist groups along with other funding sources especially "thought and money". This thought has become a serious and imminent threat to international security, and above all to the security of the Kingdom, which is why (the moderates of Al-Saud) must do this inside and outside their own borders. Most of fighters coming from Saudi Arabia than from any other country. Most of the moral and material support comes from private individuals in Saudi Arabia than from any other country.
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The plot to shoot down an Aeroflot plane as a pretext for a Russian invasion sounds like complete rubbish to me Dr Leeden, and I'm a little surprised that with your rasor-sharp mind you are not a little more skeptcal. Not that I think Putin is insufficiently sociopathic to at least contemplate such a scheme; he is, and I'm aware of the allegations about the flat-block explosion as a pretxt for ramping up Chechnya.
But like most conspiracy theories this one founders on the improbability of keeping such a dastardly plan secret - much like the 9/11 conspiracy theories that would have required 1000s of ordinary decent Americans with mortgages and families to be in the know, and calmly connive in the mass murder of thousands of other Americans, and improbably keep it secret. This so-called plot would have required at least a substantial number of people to be aware of, and connive in, a plan to shoot down an airliner full of fellow-Russians, but more importantly, it would have required a whole lot of dubious and barely trsutworthy drunks in the separatist movement to keep the secret as well, not to mention pull the trigger on a planeload of fellow-Russians. And the twitter/radio communications immediately after plainly support the mmost obvious explanation, these thugs though they were shooting down another Ukranian military plane.
The Ukraine does itself no favours promulagating absurd stories like this.
14 weeks ago
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it's not so much a conspiracy theory as a bungling theory...
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The way to attack ISIS without helping Iran is to give all our help directly to the Kurds, the only faction in Iraq that has never betrayed us, and who also dislikes iran, and not to the Iranian friiendly Iraqi gov. We shoudld be providing ammo, arms, and combat air support, but provide it directly to the Kurds, not through the Iraqi gov, until the Iraqi gov has reformed enough so we know they are not an Iranian puppet.
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Obama has consistently supported Shiites (Iran, Assad, Maliki) and opposed Sunnis (Mubarak, Qaddafi, ISIS).
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He certainly didn't support the Shia protesters/dissidents in Tehran in 2009 or the many moderate Shia in Iraq who hoped he's support a coalition led by Ayad Allawi (a Shia) rather than Al-Maliki, the ally of Iran.

I'd say it is more accurate to conclude that he supports radicals, Sunni or Shia. .
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didn't he support Sunni vs Qadaffi? to be sure, most Sunni see the action in Iraq as US vs Sunni, a point well taken.
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And Obama's puppet master is one Valerie Jarret. Shiite sympathizer
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is there any evidence of that? i haven't seen any. being born in iran does not automatically make you pro-Shia.
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Western civilization can spend the next decade ( if we last that long )
Trying to contain and defeat the Jihadist forces of Islam.
We can keep struggling in the quest for the Democratization of Islamic states which we already did and failed at after investing billions in money and blood.
We can try to strengthen the so-called 'moderate branches of Islam, if there is one. They're either being cowed Into silence or winking and nodding to their Islamist brothers.
We can continue to use drones and special forces and police actions but so far That hasn't been effective. The violent Jihadists reproduce faster than we can neutralize them.
We can try making nice with the organizations of 'Soft-Jihadists' who advance Sharia and Jihad through usually peaceful and legal
Means (like the Muslim Brotherhood Obama's been backing for
The last six years) but that backfired.
The problem of violent Islamic Jihad is more widespread and virulent today than it was even at the height of its glory days when Hordes of Jihadists Advanced on Spain and other parts of Europe, something happening again even at this moment. For Over 1400 years of Jihadist violence, of murder and enslavement, forced conversions, and abuse Of women and children ...and yet still In this modern day and age Islam remains more a retro-sixth century ideology of bloody conquest than anything resembling a religion of peace and harmony.
The world can't wait for this backward cult of Muhammad to somehow 'reform' itself.
Not when nuclear and chemical weapons of Jihad very soon will be within the reach Of religious psychopaths and end-of-days fanatics who yearn for martyrdom.
When a beehive is burnt the surviving bees are disoriented
And dispersed. Certainly there are many angry bees initially but then they lose their ability to sting and just Disappear and scatter into the countryside and soon die.
There's a lesson in this. The hive is in Mecca. It's called the
Kaaba. Or we can continue getting stung for the rest of history!


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I don't believe that violent jihad is more virulent today than during its historic expansion. not comparable. but then, the "West" is less willing to fight for its values/interests, so the jihadis are making more progress than they should.
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There is another question involved. Would Iran be so bellicose now if there were not so many terrorist organizations, China, and Russia out to hit the U.S. in one way or another? In my opinion no.
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It's interesting that although one of Michael's main points above was that bombing ISIS helps out Iran and its satraps, Syria, Hizballah, PIJ, Hamas (?), commenters don't seem to be interested in thinking about the second order effects of our policy

In that respect, they are no different from most government officials and pundits, left and right for the last two decades. The unwillingness to think clearly about the threat from Iran will be a puzzle for the leading historians of the future in Beijing and New Delhi.
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In the short run, bombing (serious bombing, that is) does favor Shite jihadis over Sunni jihadis. But as Michael pointed out, the Shia want a Caliphate, too -- just one that is led by them.

In the medium to long term, however, serious bombing of ANY Jihadis by the US delivers a message that America is back on-scene and will not tolerate Jihadis of any stripe from taking over a country (or countries).
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"serious bombing of ANY Jihadis by the US delivers a message that America is back on-scene" - if it is part of a constant policy of favoring Iran then that is the msg people in the Middle East receive. A Mosuli truck driver is infinitely better attuned to these signs than most US college professors.
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Apparently the Russian media is still pushing the Ukrainian shoot down story. They Ukranians were supposedly the ones that shot down the wrong plane, not the Russians.

Same story, except for the part where the wrong plane got shot down.
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you can't look at anything The Obama does without wondering what the political motive is. Last I heard from the left, a president authorizing a strike on another country - with Congressional approval, to boot - was a war crime. Evidently, that only applies when the president is an R. So then, what's the point here? And by the way, how's the golf at Martha's Vineyard looking?
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