Senator Rubio’s Immigration Enforcement Fantasy
The silly season is upon us again, which is to say: Washington finds itself in yet another debate over “comprehensive immigration reform.”
The core silliness could be heard in the arguments of Marco Rubio, one of four Republicans in the Senate “Gang of Eight” urging a deal that purports to ensure real immigration enforcement in exchange for legalization of status and an ultimate “path to citizenship” for millions of illegal immigrants. Earlier this afternoon, Sen. Rubio was interviewed by Rush Limbaugh.
Sen. Rubio admirably insisted, “We need border security. We need workplace enforcement. We need a visa tracking system.” But, as Rush pointed out, President Obama is outlining his own vision of immigration reform in Las Vegas today, and it promises to diverge in a fundamental way from the Gang of Eight proposal: The president has no interest in immigration enforcement. He wants only the legalization goodies for current illegals and the incentives they’ll inevitably create for more illegal immigration. He is not interested in the protections for the American people that Sen. Rubio touts.
Sen. Rubio confidently responded that if the president makes such a pitch, he will have a huge problem with his own party — in particular, with Sen. Chuck Schumer and the other Gang of Eight Democrats who’ve supposedly committed their party to meaningful enforcement measures. This contention is absurd. It suggests that Sen. Rubio either does not understand how the federal government works (highly unlikely for a man of Rubio’s obvious intelligence), or is making a monumental miscalculation — elevating over the certain-to-be-damaging consequences of his proposal the futile hope that Republicans will win lasting accolades from the pro-illegal immigration Obamedia.
The executive branch is in charge of law enforcement, period. Congress cannot enforce the law and cannot compel the president to do so. And we already know there will be no meaningful immigration enforcement as long as President Obama is running the executive branch. As usual in Washington’s progressive crusades, we are expected to forget all relevant history — in this instance, not only the sorry history of the 1986 amnesty (in which Washington predictably provided all the legalization goodies but reneged on the enforcement promises) but also the Obama administration’s more recent, more virulent anti-enforcement record.
Can Sen. Rubio have missed the Obama Justice Department’s lawsuit against the citizens of Arizona? The state enacted a law that simply reaffirmed the Congress’s own immigration statutes and enabled state police to enforce those federal standards. The Obama administration not only sued the state for enforcing federal law, it did so by positing a radical new understanding of the “pre-emption” doctrine. Formerly, that doctrine stood for the proposition that the states could not enact laws that contradicted properly enacted federal statutes. Under Obama’s interpretation, the states were precluded from enacting laws that contradicted U.S. executive branch enforcement policy even if they were completely consistent U.S. congressional law.
Thus, according to Obama, if the president’s policy is to refrain from enforcing Congress’s statutes, sovereign states may not enforce them either, even if such non-feasance renders the states defenseless against the tide of illegal immigration overrunning their borders and budgets. It matters not, in this radical view, that self-defense is a basic aspect of sovereignty or that, if the Obama preemption theory had been evident in the Constitution, there would be no United States because the states would never have ratified it.
That is how committed Pres. Obama is to non-enforcement. Consequently, it is the height of foolishness for Sen. Rubio to talk about fissures between the administration and Congressional Democrats on enforcement measures. Chuck Schumer has nothing to do with enforcing the immigration laws. Even if he and his colleagues were serious about enforcement — and, as Mark Krikorian and Mickey Kaus explain, the enforcement promises in the Gang of Eight proposal are patently fraudulent — their earnestness would be irrelevant. Obama has not only posited but argued in the Supreme Court that federal statutes are trivial; the only thing that matters is raw executive power: his unfettered discretion in choosing to enforce or not enforce the law.
That being the case, what is the point of the Gang of Eight exercise? The Republicans pushing the deal tout its illusory enforcement measures, but even if these were real lawmakers are not in a position to compel the president to execute them. And think about it: it is precisely because the law is not being enforced in the first place that the senators perceive the need to promise law enforcement as a premise for the windfall illegal aliens would get from the Gang of Eight proposal. If the laws already on the books are not being enforced, why on earth would anyone think a new law would make a bit of difference — particularly when it would be equally impotent in the matter of forcing Obama’s hand?
In the end, that really is the point. It makes no sense to write a legislative proposal that confers unwarranted benefits on the condition of stepped up law enforcement. If the Republican senators are serious, they should just call for enforcement of already enacted laws. They should tell Democrats, “Show us over the next few years that enforcement is effective and that the government’s commitment to it is permanent; then we can talk about legislation to legalize the presence of the remaining illegal immigrant population.” The way you prioritize enforcement is … to prioritize enforcement, not to talk about enforcement you can’t deliver in a wayward deal that concretely rewards lawlessness. And in the meantime, if it would help our economy to allow more immigration of workers to fill needs that aren’t being met, by all means increase the availability of visas for those categories of workers — as dramatically as necessary. This will illustrate that Republicans are not anti-immigrant — the “false argument” that animates Sen. Rubio, as he told Rush. It is a slander that sticks because of the GOP’s inadequate response to the Left’s demagoguery, not because of bad policies.
I take Sen. Rubio at his word that he wants immigration laws enforced and thinks enforcement is the foundation of a humane immigration policy (even though I vigorously disagree with his contention that the Gang of Eight proposal makes real enforcement a condition of valuable benefits). But it is impossible to take seriously any proposal that entrusts enforcement to President Obama. If you’re serious about enforcement, you can take no other position than that any consideration of making legal-status concessions to illegal immigrants must await a new president who can be trusted to honor his oath to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.
Finally, I note that nothing I’ve argued here alters my previously stated position that immigration enforcement should primarily be a state responsibility. I do not understand how Republicans can purport to be “Constitutional conservatives” and skip past the inconvenient fact that the Constitution empowers Congress only to set the qualifications of citizenship, not to police immigration. The framers intended immigration enforcement to be among the plethora of internal matters be handled by the states — with the federal government obliged to assist states in the event they were threatened with being overrun by trespassers.
I believe that returning immigration enforcement to the states would result in the most sensible and humane immigration policy. States that wished to be sanctuaries for non-citizens would be able to do that, provided they were willing to pay for the attendant largesse themselves. States that preferred vigorous enforcement could follow that policy. States would set their enforcement and social-welfare policies in accordance with their economic conditions. Aliens would gravitate to hospitable areas and avoid places where they were not welcome. There would be no centralized, one-size-fits-all policy but different standards based on local conditions fashioned by the citizens who were most effected — and easily changed if conditions changed.
Unfortunately, Washington and the federal courts decided, a century-plus into our constitutional history, that we had somehow evolved beyond that framework. The states and most conservatives have gone along for the ride. Thus we continue the folly of favoring a single, universal policy that is based on the hope for law-enforcement by a president who is both committed to non-enforcement and apathetic when it comes to the very different hardships that beset different states.







Mr. Rubio is apparently like most GOP politicians – he believes that humans are inherently good and will not lie, that Democrats will keep promises and do the honorable thing. He cannot imagine that Obama would actually screw over a large part of the population just so he can get more people to vote for him.
Don’t forget, Senator Marco Rubio, like John McCain, supported Obama’s illegitimate war to overthrow secular-leaning Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi in behalf of al-Qaeda of North Africa. Did you notice the soft-ball questions Rubio treated Sec. Clinton to the other day? Rubio (I voted for him here in Fla., 2010) also joined John McCain and John Boehner; they criticized (McCain condemned) Congresswoman Bachmann because she properly called for an investigation into Muslim Brotherhood penetration into our government. Like Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio is not presidential caliber. We can do better.
How right you are, Steve Klein. I keep a file on Rubio entitled “Beware Rubio.” I’ve had it now for over a year; I added to it today.
Robert Blagojevich dodged going to prison
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2013/01/29/robert-blagojevich-dodged-going-to-prison/
Excellent.
I have this bridge to sell you, er, I have this non-corrupt Miami politician.
R-MIAMI = D-Chicago.
If Rubio actually believes what Obama and the Democrats in the Senate say as truth, then he is horribly gullible. Democrats want the illegals here because the know that their entitlement enticements will garner their votes. Unless Rubio thinks he can give them more from the federal coffers than the Dems, he should pick another issue to champion.
Sen. Rubio- I (heart) you, but please refer to Peanuts comix. Republicans=Charlie Brown. Democrats= Lucy. Any issue particularly immigration= football.
Exactly.
The “silly season?” How about the “silly country?”
Uneducated, illegal foreign nationals from Central America and Mexico have one of the two major political parties completely on the run in their own country, perhaps the most sophisticated that ever existed.
The other major party somehow thinks flooding the country with people from medieval, dog-eat-dog cultures where homes are commonly fortresses with broken glass embedded in wall tops is a good idea.
They’re only about three hundred years behind us, and I’m sure their kids will catch up quick by studying in public schools about how the people who made America great are their worst enemies. We’re talking about countries where they don’t have the native ingenuity to build a frickin’ ironclad. I could still conquer Mexico with swords and blunderbusses if the Mexicans could only use their own inventions and innovations. In 1979 in Guatemala, I stunned people with a Zippo lighter and a frisbee, and drew crowds using a camera on a tripod.
If there’s some kind of a contest for the stupidest and most suicidal culture ever in history, American liberals are winning by my book, and the GOP is liberal by 1985 standards so they’re not far behind, though certainly not as far behind as our new generation of fighter pilots and scientists from the Guatemalan highlands.
Rubio and his fellow GOP RINOs are simply not as sophisticated as the Democrats at committing societal suicide……but they ARE trying!
McCain says the final say on border security would be…wait for it….DHS!
Good grief, Lucy pulls the football again.
Where is Lt. General Honore when you need a good soundbite?
GOP is Stuck on Stupid.
Senator John McCain suffers from Stockholm syndrome after being tortured by the North Vietnamese. He is effectively a progressive traitor. It is sad and I feel sorry for him, but… It is also sad to read Pjmedia articles that plaintively call for our government to obey the law. WTF? Suicidal stupidity seems to rule.
The 14 Senators Who Voted Against NDAA (D-MD), Coburn (R-OK), Crapo (R-ID), DeMint (R-SC), Durbin (D-IL), Franken (D-MN), Harkin (D-IA), Lee (R-UT), Merkley (D-OR), Paul (R-KY), Risch (R-ID), Sanders (I-VT), Wyden (D-OR) (14 American Heroes) Look no Rubio on this list. Beware he is Progressive folks!
Yep!
I don’t this Rubio is a progressive. I will ask Allen West and find out.
I think he wants to get the power back into the republican party at the expense
of what’s right for America. That is politics …Marco knows how hard we fought in
South Florida to get real patriots elected.I hope he keeps his head clear….The GOP can’t handle the truth…Guess we need a new party.
I don’t think Rubio is a progressive. I will ask Allen West and find out.
I think he wants to get the power back into the republican party at the expense
of what’s right for America. That is politics …Marco knows how hard we fought in
South Florida to get real patriots elected.I hope he keeps his head clear….The GOP can’t handle the truth…Guess we need a new party.
I no longer trust Rubio, McCain Mini-Me, at all, zip, zero, nada. Rubio was big on the Arab Spring and probably still is. He, along with his new dad John McCain, and his new mom Lindsey Graham, pushed at Obama to get even more involved in Libya, so Benghazi is blood on his hands too. Rubio, like McCain [who incidentally, for anyone who somehow hasn't yet noticed, calls everything he advocates, bipartisan], seems absolutely incapable of learning anything – ever. That’s ‘assuming’ that he is the least bit sincere which is quite unlikely. Be it about Muslims, who will never be for liberty, or illegal Mexicans, who if made legal will overwhelmingly vote democrat to the point of obliterating what’s left of the Republican party and much of America. When I look at Rubio, now all I see is the face of Juan McCain staring back at me and can almost hear, “My friends”coming from his mouth. It has become very clear that Rubio is The Man Who Never Was. He’s just an actor, with, comparatively, an ego the size of a whale and an intellect the size of a plankter, and I think more and more people are starting to see through his little act. On the subject of acting, Rubio would make a good actor for the next Batman movie. He could play a composite of the Joker and Two-Face.
I fear the jury is still out on Mr Rubio. Perhaps he is simply naive…
Sadly, moreso than anything, I think Rubio is trying to assimilate with the inside the beltway folks. ~sigh
On Limbaugh, Rubio insisted that any Immigration Law has not yet been written. If Rubio is really that dumb, he is in for a world of hurt when Lucy yanks the football away.
Was he joking? Or simply made a politically necessary a foolish statement? Just as 2700 pages of Obamacare magically sprang forth, fully formed, from Congress, so also Comprehensive Immigration Reform has also been written up (likely with La Raza input).
Precisely WHO wrote Obamacare? Who knows? Who cares?
Precisely WHO will write Immigration Reform? Who knows? Who cares? Go back to sleep.
Sen. Rubio admirably insisted, “We need border security. We need workplace enforcement. We need a visa tracking system.”
There is nothing admirable about deception and CYA and that’s all it seems to be with him.
“Can Sen. Rubio have missed the Obama Justice Department’s lawsuit against the citizens of Arizona?”
No, he couldn’t possibly have and the fact that he acts like he did should tell you all you need to know about his little charade.
Marco Rubio, the son of immigrants, understands better than you, Andrew, the realities of U.S. immigration policy and it’s monumental deficiencies. INS is a mindless bureaucracy with arbitrary rules about who can and cannot come here to work or become a citizen; rules that are not based in any discernible pragmatism. They simply reflect the tiresome xenophobic idea that America is “full” and we don’t have room for many more. Anyone who has paid attention to the history of immigration policy in the U.S. and the prejudice displayed against the waves of Chinese, German, Irish, Jewish, Vietnamese, Hmong, East African, and other immigrants understands that the righteous indignation vented by pundits like you is nothing more than xenophobia.
And please, spare us the “they broke the law” sanctimony. You break the law all the time when you speed, probably at least once a day. And your reasons for doing so don’t hold a candle to the unassailable reasons of most so-called “illegal” immigrants. They made remarkable sacrifices to uproot themselves from their native countries to pursue the American Dream of freedom and boundless opportunity, not only fleeing oppression and poverty, but leaving behind many of their friends and family. It wasn’t a mindless afterthought like your frequent breaking of motor vehicle laws. Unlike you, they still believe in the welcoming America that says “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
Oh and by the way, different topic. Islam is not evil and most Muslims aren’t terrorists and don’t hold a personal view that Islam must dominate the world through force. I’m a Christian who has read the Bible several times and I can pull out the same kinds of crazy passages in the Old Testament as you do from the Qu’ran. Only a remarkably few ultra-backward Christians, Jews, and Muslims actually take those passages seriously. The rest of us understand the context and can place them squarely in the past where they belong. You should too.
“And please, spare us the “they broke the law” sanctimony.”
And please, spare us your hackneyed holier than thou above the law sanctimony.
“Oh and by the way, different topic. Islam is not evil and most Muslims aren’t terrorists and don’t hold a personal view that Islam must dominate the world through force.”
Yes, they do or they are apostates.
Lauren-I do not know where to start. I disagree with you on so much-but let me keep it to just a couple points. Either we have immigration laws that we enforce or why have a law if you do not enforce it. At what point would you want immigration laws enforced?? we now have 11-20 million here illegally, if that numbers goes up to 100 million would you want the laws enforced?? Your example of people breaking speed limit laws does not work or are you in favor of never enforcing those laws either. If you do not enforce speeding laws what do you think would happen on our highways? Then you make some comment about Islam-sure most muslims do not want to take over the whole world by force but what did their leader teach? That is how you should judge their religion-by what their leader taught and how he lived his life. The prophet was nothing more than a thief and a murder. Jesus never taught to take anything by force not did His disciples but that is not true about Islam. Regarding tough passages in the OT about the Jews cleansing the Promise land that needs more time and space than I want to take now. Please read up on the history of Mohammed-its not pretty
David J. Stoddard, 27 year veteran of the Border Patrol -
“Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans want to remain citizens of their home country while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.
Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I, Mexico allowed German spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S.. During World War II, Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today, Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don’t believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their school children.”
You cannot be serious with that comment. Is that the best you have to argue the end of our republic?
Surely you know that when you progs get what you want which is an oligarchy ruled by a totalitarian government, there is no more America. You have the uneducated and ignorant, and blacks sewn up. All you need is an overwhelming number of non-American citizes to complete the coup.
And do you think you as a white POS will do well in that environment?
LaurenRA=HuffPo or DU tool.
Let’s drag out a tiresome old idea called counting.
1940, 140 million. 1960, 200 million. Today, over 300 million.
Yes, we are full. Unless you want to have your great grand kids up to a billion, it may be a good idea to learn counting.
Lee had his greatest defeat with his largest army. Some numbers are simply unmanageable.
To begin to refute each and every one of your statements would be futile. Let me just say this. Not five out of every hundred illegal aliens from Mexico give a damn about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. I was born in Mexico and I use to return often, at least until the current problems escalated. I know that country. Very few Mexicans feel the civic obligations that make up a society. In fact, the common thread among most people is a “chinga tu madre” attitude about their obligations to an ordered and developing commonweal. I’ll leave you that phrase to Google as I don’t think it should pass the censors here.
The Mexican comes here for one thing and one thing only – financial benefit. Please check out the recent studies published by The Manhattan Institute. This will disabuse you of any fantasy you might have about the Mexican illegal.
…”Unlike you, they still believe in the welcoming America that says “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
Really?
Sanctimonious clap trap. Oppose illegal immigration – where our immigration policy debate is reduced to Mexico holding us hostage geographically as gatekeeper to facilitating who THEY DECIDE to aid and abet crashing the border – and you get labled xenophobic and racist and tarnished with the broad brush of ‘sins of the fathers’ via trying to reconstitute the KKK of the 1920′s.
Folks like you Lauren get up on your soap box and begin pointing fingers as the proud protectors of those ‘living in the shadows.’ You adopt the rhetorical gradeosity of 19th century abolishionists. It’s more pomposity and clap trap. This isn’t about even the wage slave trade let along slavery. It likewise makes the family dislocation beef a stretch.
Fixing a broken immigration system cannot and should not hinge on accomidating the poor rubes who came here of their own tired and poor whatever.
This isn’t some ‘complex’ problem anywhere but in Washington. The moral and (despite the barage of negative publicity) fiscal support Arizona recieved after SB1070 wasn’t some vast ugly ressurection of violent minded vigilatnism you so blithly claim.
Where is the evidence Lauren? The murder and mayhem you spout off about isn’t evidenced by shoot outs and lynchings or race riots. Unless of course you want to take a stark honest look at the rise of violent Latino Gangs coinciding with the rise in Latino immigration (legal and not) since ’86.
Of course it could be your so ignorant of American history that you don’t even know what that history is when it comes to violent social strife?
While you make rediculous assertions that immigration today is just like immigration a hundred or so years ago – a few points in closing.
Do you really believe, after the past five years, years full of economic struggle for the vast majority of Americans, that we need to import unskilled labor in this country?
Could there be a difference between struggling Americans who need work, falling back and taking those jobs in difficult times, and the kind of false claims of ‘not wanting them’ in favor of permanent SSI or Disability income?
Do you really believe that the ‘were full’ attitude is just reduced down to racism? Or could it have something to do with enough living memory that the biggest explosion in middle class prosperity in this country happen to co-incide with the period of SLOW AND NO IMMIGRATION – post WWII thru 1964?
People like you Lauren always make bogus claims of ‘nativism’ – and – you highjack the violent periods of history in our country to denounce the FACTS BASED ARGUMENTS of those you disagree with.
The country at large is not confused about illegal immigration as so complex as Rubio and the rest of the Gangster 8 dipshits going about caving on this important issue.
Rubio is getting rolled. He’s bought into the prospect of being a Pesidential candidate. I don’t care if he is Cuban-American or not. He’s being played. All we are learning is he doesn’t have the political chops for higher office.
There is no leadership here. Mike Lee is caving to the Utah Compact in direct contradiction to his prior admirable stands challenging Obamas attempts to by-pass congress. McAmesty is the shamnesty he always has been on the issue.
We are not on the verge of some ‘grand’ anything. There is no secure ID. No workforce enforcement. No leverageing of Mexico to stop the insanity on their part. They are addicted to el norte to the tune of 1-2 billion a year via the nationals here.
It’s political kabuki theater and little more. Obama gets to ham it up that he ‘paid’ political patronage – some squishy Republicans get to claim ‘reaching out’ & ‘bigger tent’ balony and we all move on.
And the American voter gets the shaft – per ususal.
You got that right, Phoenix48. Well said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Naturalization_Service
Ahem.
In any case, the way to fix the immigration system is to welcome law-abiding workers, not embrace those who violated the law.
Marco Rubio may have been the son of immigrants (though he claims to be an American Son, which may technically be true), but that doesn’t give him some unique understanding.
“the only thing that matters is raw executive power: his unfettered discretion in choosing to enforce or not enforce the law.”
Isn’t this the very definition of a King, an Emperor, a Caesar, a Pharaoh, a Fuhrer?
Yes, it is, which makes Rubio the greatest of Fools or the greatest of Liars.
“Marco Rubio, the son of immigrants, understands better than you, Andrew, the realities of U.S. immigration policy and it’s monumental deficiencies.”
All Rubio seems to understand is mendacity and deception, and he, in my opinion, is not very smooth at it. Bill Clinton was, and remains, far better.
If this bill has a chance of passing we better make sure we get as much enforcement in it as we can. I wish we could get the Dems on the side of enforcement but then again I wish I were taller. If giving 11 million legal status would some how change the hearts of Dems to start enforcing immigration laws then I would be for it-but that is a big risk-Dems have never demonstrated a willingness to enforce immigration laws
The Dirty Little “Secret”:
The reason that politician and other supporters of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” want it is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal. “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” Democrats, like Obama, also want it so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them, if they aren’t voting for them already.
Does anyone think that any of these “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians and others actually care one wit otherwise for the illegals. Does anyone think that any of the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs? Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants? Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants? Invite them to their cocktail parties? Introduce them to their daughters?
The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant fair-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class. So these “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing. If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.
Yes the progressives want serfs. They want communism. Communism is all about a few elites and a bunch of serfs. Progressives should be treated like the would-be slave owners that they are. Lined up against a wall…just like they would do to the tea parties if they could.
The FeralCat Stoddard quote in #10 above is right on the money! BZ FeralCat!
It’s been said before but needs saying again. The first thing needed is to stop anymore illegals from coming in. Build the d#mn fence!!! Yeah, sure, a few will still get through but that’s way lots better than the thousands crossing daily. Until the fence is built and the border enforced, we should oppose all other reforms.
Also no in-state tuition, welfare, EBT cards, medicare/medicaid, social security for the illegals. If you subsidize law breakers you just encourage more to do it. And since we already can’t sustain these programs and will soon suffer severe economic collapse, why are we even thinking about giving illegals who never contributed a dime to these programs to suck money and benefits away from law abiding citizens whose benefits are already being reduced?
And yeah, the devil is in the details which I notice have not been forthcoming. I thought the movie Idiocracy was just a comedy. I now realize we are living in one and it’s both farce and tragedy.
Second, if you subsidize illegal behavior, you get more of it.
Hopefully, Rubio’s presidential aspirations will go down the toilet along with this amnesty plan. Yeah, brilliant political move there, sport…tie your fortunes in the GOP primaries in 2016 to John “I never met a conservative that I didn’t despise” McCain and amnesty. And this Rubio guy is supposed to be the next great leader of the GOP? Well, yeah, considering this is the GOP, maybe he is. It is, after all, The Stupid Party [tm].
i just left a good sized (gov.) construction project where barely a word of english was spoken. i drove home through neighborhoods full of out of work african-americans who spend their days lounging around, waiting for their next government ‘fix’, all the while growing more and more dependent and irrelevant to the job market.
who here doesn’t (rightly) believe hard times are just around the corner? and $$$ for handouts will run out, probably sooner than later. they say 2 weeks after the bottom falls out of the economy, food in these lay-about areas will run out. does anybody really believe obama will want to, or be able to continue to support/protect millions of his worshipful minions once things grind to a halt?
now obama wants to legalize tens of millions of illegal aliens, mostly mexicans, with practically no education or allegiance to our country. sounds to me like he has found another way to screw real Americans and start a real war once things get really bad. wait a minute, isn’t that when he gets to enforce his e.o.’s, take away our rights and become the little dictator he always wanted to be?
question: are all dictators little runts with a chip on their shoulders?
GOP = Group of Patsies
We all know how this will turn out – just like it did before, with a possible exception. That exception may well be Obama pulling another Executive Order stunt to essentially do the job that Congress may not be able to pull off. Like I’ve said before, it’s the Chicago way. Do it, and see what happens. The recent district court defeat will not hamper him in any way. His administration and government will continue to press his NLRB and CFPB appointments until the Supreme Court eventually makes a ruling – take your chances! – but will the court undo all he has done up to their ruling? Will his appointees have to return their salaries? Will oppressed citizens and companies have their losses restored? Hey, a year or two is a long time.
All revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives. The House is currently under Republican control. Anything that happens at the level of the central government — anything! — happens because the Republican House leadership has funded it, out of our money.
The ‘brilliant’ Charles Krauthammer said that the Republicans only control one half of one third of our government and thus cannot do much. I commented on his National Review post at the time: “The power of the purse means what???” The comment was deleted by his moderators. Shocka! Idiots!
In other words, the only reason for Rubio — whom you claim is a smart man — to pull this stunt is to keep his “brand” in the news and pave the way for “higher” office. It may be impolitic for you to say so, but I have no such strictures. Little does he know that I, and many others, are keeping a list, checking it twice, to see who’s naughty and nice.
We are also becoming experts on this issue and hardening both our positions and our resolves. Your efforts, Mr. McCarthy, Numbers USA, Vdare, and VFR go a long way toward educating an understandably riled up citizenry and making of us more articulate and persuasive spokesmen (no PC from me) for immigration enforcement without amnesty (not ever, under any euphemism or pretext). Moreover, I highly recommend your article, “Sovereignty, Preempted,” as required reading for anyone who thinks of himself as a conservative.
As much as I can see both the wisdom and appropriateness of returning immigration enforcement to the states, it seems to me that a state like California, bankrupting itself in large measure owing to its huge illegal-population-welfare expenditures, must be prohibited from coming hat-in-hand to the feds for a bailout, at which time the rest of us would be on the hook. A state might begin by “pay[ing] for the attendant largesse themselves,” but what happens when an Obama decides to stick the rest of us with the bill? If in our dream world we are going to implement your plan, for lack of a better term, we must also write in a prohibition of a state’s reneging on self-sufficiency. Otherwise we end up with yet another form of redistribution.
Rubio. He used to talk a great game.
Maybe he’s naive; maybe it was a ruse; maybe he has sold out; maybe he’s a good talker but a dumb person.
None of the obvious explanations are good.
I like Mr McCarthy’s idea of actually following the constitution and having the states be responsible for enforcement…with the giant provision that the states MUST pay for it themselves, and the even more expensive consequences of doing a bad job of it. Then all the federal enforcement, of course, has to be unwound. There are some problems with that, since Arizona would then have to deport all of the illegals that California lets in, but it is certainly better than no border security at all, which is the obama way.
I have one foot in the grave, the other is sliding insidiously downward, so why do I care what the immigration policy is? It’s mostly that I am ornery, and I care about my family. If we are going to have open borders, we should not be racist. We should open the borders to everyone, especially to the Chinese, who are intelligent, hard-working and family-oriented. Why should we restrict illegal immigration only to the stupid, lazy and Democratic?
Can’t you see what a great opportunity Obama and Rubio want to give us? We will all get to see the Third World without having to go to Mexico. Think of all the saved airfare.
I agree with Mr McArthy on the substance however I have some time for Marco Rubio because elections in this country have zero to do with substance when you are dealing with the low information voter that prevails in elections. Obama is out to destroy the GOP and this country. That explains him. Period. Why do we want to participate in “assisted suicide” with these thugs. I say resist but we need Rubio to run point on this if we can.
Jan Brewer has been very quiet lately, perhaps she can invite the First Family to spend their next vacation along the border.
If a Republican President had the same attitude toward border security, and actually sued a border state because it threatened to uphold its obligation to secure its border against the flood of illegal aliens, there would be ceaseless cries for impeachment from Democrats and media.
BORDER SECURITY is one of the most important items a President swears to uphold in his Oath of Office.
But, of course, Obama is exempt from adhering to anything he swears to abide by.; He’s “SPECIAL”.
“He’s ‘”SPECIAL.’” That’s terrific, as a put down, of course, and as a commentary on a fawning state-run press apparatus.
Is Rubio yet another RINO in Conservative clothing?
“It is clear then that Rubio is nothing more than Spanish for RINO.”
by Federale at Vdare.com
Here’s a link to what Rubio said on Rush yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=82bihocTtTM
He makes sense to me.
And note he says the problem is not just “border security”. He points out that about 40 percent of illegals are those who have overstayed their visas.
And amnesty is not a bad word. I would trade amnesty in a heartbeat for overturning Plyler v Doe and a requirement that all government social services agencies check applicants for immigration status.
and check names against voter rolls…
let’s be honest, they will never secure the border. POTUS wants this as a wedge issue to drive the 2014 elections. Whatever passes will be modified by Executive Order, this POTUS has demonstrated nothing will stop him,certainly not the Constitution nor the “media”
POTUS wants this as a wedge issue to drive the 2014 elections.
Exactly!!
He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about solving the problem.
If Rubio really beleives that eh Immigration Reform Bill has not yet been written, he is an idiot.
Doubly so after 2700 pages of “Obamacare” was written by immaculate conception.
No one is even considering whether this approach to immigration is even legal. The 14th ammendment guarentees equal protection under the law. So how then can one class of people (illegal immigrants) be given different legal procedures to go through than another class (legal immigrants)?
The immigration mess can be clarified without new law. There are 4 SSA Trust Funds: Retirement, Disability, Medicare, and Suspense. Unidentifiable earnings are credited to the Suspense Fund. IT RECORDS A HALF OF A TRILLION DOLLARS OF WORK. This is mostly from bogus IDs used by illegal aliens.
SSA should issue 900-series SS number to illegal aliens. All those not wanting a 900-number would be of interest to ICE etc. as they probably have warrants outstanding or are from places of interest.
Issuing a number would involve electronic picture and fingerprints plus birth information. Also describing all work done in the US, including workplace, employer name, wages etc. The Suspense Fund could be searched on the spot to see if there were matches and credit could be moved to the 900-SSN. Getting the work credit out of Suspense allocaes it to the other 3 funds, which is as good as incoming tax credit.
Employers could be able to check on ID by email and attaching an electronic pic, a fax, or a phone call.
This would separate the ICE workload into fully visible 900-SSN people and those lacking numbers. The former workload is something so large that it would take decades and decades to work through. Those without SSNs would be of current interest and highly “profitable” so to speak to process.
The increased information would clarify the issues in the clotted Congress.
Illegals with 900-SSNs would eliminate the need for a national ID for everyone. This is based on the theory that 12 million 900-SSNs would be cheaper to process than 300+ million national IDs.
SSA has agreements with the SSA organizations in 30-40 countries, including Mexico, to combine a worker’s work record as they wander around the planet.
I’m willing to [tentatively] give Rubio the benefit of the doubt [for now], he is after all still ‘wet behind the ears’ in Washington terms.
I will extend a piece of advice that my grandfather gave me … “Marco, if you are ever in a room playing poker and you can’t figure our who the sucker is, guess what, its you.”
1. It is a con.
2. We are the marks.
Push Back, Fight.
If they ment a word of it, the first thing they would have done would be secureing the borders, all of them, north, south, east, west, air, sea.
They did not and they show U.S. now they have no real plan for securing the borders.
Mr. McCarthy, please consider helping Rubio to solve the problem you properly forsee. Can I suggest that the legisletion include: 1. Standards of enforcement that, if not attained, then the balance of the law provisions would be automatically rescinded, and/or 2. Include a provision that gives the states the right to enforce federal immigration laws and include appropriations to reimburse states for their costs of doing so,
Rubio would never agree to that. He wants to be everything to everyone. From day one, he’s never voted based on reality or principle, but only for his own political ambitions and sympathies with la Raza.
Washington finds itself in yet another debate over “comprehensive immigration reform”, but the media-backed proposals are all “reprehensible immigration perversion”, instead.
There are already multiple “paths to citizenship” for illegal aliens as well as honest visa applicants.
“We need border security. We need workplace enforcement. We need a visa tracking system.”, but no reasonable, effective means for these are in the Coons/Hatch/Klobuchar/Rubio proposal released yesterday.
http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/8802529a-163d-4777-830d-4c77481de2d8/i-squared.pdf
(OK, we can haggle over E-Verify.)
Rubio’s presidential aspirations have gone down the toilet along with this amnesty plan. We understand the realities of U.S. immigration policy and its monumental excesses.
Bill Clinton was very bad at lying; you could tell he was lying from the moment he stepped into a room or onto a stage, long before he opened his mouth. Cousin Obummer is almost as bad.
“who here doesn’t (rightly) believe hard times are just around the corner?”
I don’t believe hard times are “just around the corner”. Hard times have been here for the last 2 decades or more for US citizen STEM professionals, ever since the H-1B scam was hatched.
The power of the purse means nothing because the GOP losership refuse to exercise it.
We should grant visas only to those who pass a proper background investigation, and of those, only to those who are genuinely the best — the top percentile, actually a small fraction of one percent since there’s no way we could admit 70 million, and with the over-crowding others have mentioned we shouldn’t be admittng so much as a quarter million per year (under student visas, guest-work visas, exchange work visas, or green cards). We need to exercise some discretion for a change, adhere to some standards.
About half of illegal aliens are visa over-stayers, so the total numbers of visas of every kind (i.e. adding in tourists and business visitors…) should not be so many that DHS can’t find every one of them within a few hours of their visas expiring to escort them to the port to return home… or to prison for an extended stay if they’ve been initiating force or fraud, stealing intellectual property, spying, smuggling out defense secrets, etc.
They said they were going to secure the borders and find and deport the illegal aliens back in 1986, when they granted amnesty to some 3 million “one last time” (some 2.4 were granted green cards). In 1994, another “temporary” rolling amnesty was given to 578K more. In 1997 this was extended, and an additional 1M illegal aliens from “Nicaragua and Central America” were added. In 1998 about 125K Haitians were added. In 2000, 400K more were added in one category and another 900K were amnestied in another. All of the amnesties encouraged more illegal immigration and visa over-stays, and no serious effort has ever been made to secure the borders and ports.
Illegals to pay back taxes?
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Back-tax-on-illegal-migrants-hard-to-do-4230644.php
Republicans are playing a fool’s game if they think that they can out-manuevre Obama on this one. He intends to give 11 million (at last count) illegal aliens IMMEDIATE voting rights; we’re talking minority status for Republicans for the duration — which this guarantees won’t be for very long.
My advice to them is to bury the issue, and pronto. If they had any courage, which they don’t, they’d explain to the American people the mistake that the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act has been for our national sovereignty and how it has fueled the rise of political correctness and secured a whole host of other leftist agenda items inimical to our Republic.
Rubio is just trying to mark (pee), out his own territory. I just think he is misguided (or not that bright), as Andrew has said.
I think he is falling for Schumer’s promises, and a bit niave.
If this is the case, he will not be prez material for another decade.
Dejavu 2007 all over again.
Letting California and New York make immigration policy? That is the height of insanity. They would be giving green cards to every single alien who wanted one.
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