Barack Obama Will Still Be President on January 19, 2017
That is, unless we jettison this freak show of Republican so-called candidates.
Newt Gingrich? Newt Gingrich????? The guy peaked nearly 20 years ago. Compromised, corrupt, amoral. He has about as much chance of winning the general election as do Calvin Coolidge’s decomposing remains.
Ron F-ing PAUL?????????????? The most charitable thing I can say about him is: Joke candidate. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If he gets the Republican nomination, I would actually stay home on election day, as would most voters forced to choose between a communist and a madman.
Michele Bachmann’s vaccine conspiracies have doomed her as a viable mainstream nominee, unfortunately, even though she is the most likeable of all the candidates and I would have gladly voted for her, “crazy eyes” notwithstanding.
Rick Perry has already made far too many unforced errors, and his extreme social conservative activism has turned off many Constitutionally-minded voters like myself who worry that if he wins he’ll use his power not to shrink government but to meddle in Americans’ private lives. No thank you.
Herman Cain: Toast.
Rick Santorum: If we were all in hell, I’d put my money on the snowball.
Huntsman, Johnson and the rest: Who?
Which leaves us only with Mitt Romney. He’s the sole Republican in the current field who even has a ghost of a chance at beating Obama, but as many have noted, he’s an old-school-checked-pant-double-talking-insider-flip-flopping pseudo-Republican who looks, talks and acts like a phony. I’d still vote for him over Obama, but only out of desperation; I’d rather have a president with magic underwear than an emperor with no clothes. But the growing tide of anti-Mormon bigotry in this country means that I fear few would join me in this protest vote.
And that, to my (and everyone else’s) great chagrin, is it. The pitiable pantheon of declared Republican candidates ends there. I keep reaching around in the bottom of the bag, asking “Any more in there? That can’t be all of you.” But my hand comes back empty. And my heart sinks.
Unless something changes drastically, Obama will beat any of these people handily. Which means, as my title reminded everyone, that he’ll be president for the term between 2012 and 2016 — which actually lasts until January 20, 2017. Think about that: 2017. It’s still 2011, people, and if things keep going as they are, Obama will be in charge until 2017.
2017.
Motivated now?
A complaint yesterday from HotAir commenter “magicbeans” succinctly summarized the national mood:
“I hate this field. What we should have had was Christie, Palin, Ryan, Rubio, West and Jindal. That could have been amazing. Instead we got the second stringers….”
Oh, how true that is. Any one of those candidates would have a good chance at beating Obama, and would be guaranteed to stir up the excitement lacking from the current field.
But we have one big problem: All the exciting potential candidates have already declared that they’re not running. In yesterday’s essay which inspired the comment above, William Kristol subtly suggests, without naming names, that perhaps one or more non-candidates should change their minds and re-enter the race.
But the time for subtlety is over. Let me be blunt:
ALLEN WEST, SAVE US FROM THIS CLOWDER OF CLOWNS.
And Chris Christie, Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal, please join Allen’s posse.
I know what all six of you are thinking: “We publicly declared that we aren’t running. We can’t break our promise now!”
Well, I’ll let you in on a little secret: Politicians change their minds all the time. In fact, the act of repeatedly “breaking promises” is the very thing that distinguishes politicians from normal people. Sure, a few voters may hold it against you for a week or two, but once you electrify the country and surge into the lead, the grudge will subside. And sure, the Democrats will try to use this broken promise against you in the general campaign, but trust me, that’ll be the least of their attacks.
But if you want something more official, here is an Absolution Coupon especially for you six:
I might seem lighthearted about all this, but I am actually deadly serious. A lame-duck Obama will have four years of not worrying about re-election to complete his conscious destruction of American capitalism and constitutionalism. It’s too hideous to even contemplate. And, aside from a long-shot chance by the slightly-better-than-a-crash-test-dummy Romney, none of the current candidates has any chance whatsoever to defeat Obama.
I know the public is waiting for an end to the unfunny charade known as the 2012 Republican Party nomination, so the real battle — between, for example, West, Palin and Rubio — can begin.
Let’s make it happen. You and I. Stop sitting on our hands waiting for a miracle.
Choose your favorite(s) from the six (temporarily) non-candidates above, and join the popular uprising to get some or all of them to change their minds.
First step: Vote in this two-part poll, so we can get some hard percentages to use as bargaining chips:
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The system is rigged. Obama will get a 2nd term. That’s the way the game is played. 8 years Dems, 8 years Repubs, 8 years Dems, 8 years Repubs etc.
We just had 8 years Repubs — Bush. Now it’s 8 years Dems — Obama. That’s the way the game is played. Nothing ever changes. The establishment likes the status quo. The Democrats and Republicans just keep handing power to each other, back and forth, and they (and their cronies) take turns raping the Treasury.
The 2 party system is broken. George Washington warned us in his Farewell Address about political parties, and how they would destroy the country. Well, turns out George Washington was right. The Democrats and Republicans have destroyed this country. 20 years of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama has destroyed this nation.
Not really. You have a short memory.
We had four years of Carter, then 12 years of Reagan and Bush, then eight of Billy-boy, then eight of Bush II. Now we got Obama. Whether or not he gets 8 more years is entirely up to us.
But I really don’t want to think what sort of damage a “lame duck” Obama would do…
yes, it doesn’t always work out as intended. That doesn’t however mean it’s not the way things are meant to work.
The RNC is doing everything in their power to lose the elections, from selecting unelectable candidates to destroying electable ones that put themselves forward.
Bush Sr. was never intended to win, neither was Reagan (at least in his first term). Both were selected because they were unlikely candidates, an actor from a left leaning state and an oil tycoon turned governor from a state of “redneck hicks”. Not exactly the type of people the RNC thought the mainstream GoP voter would care to vote for, yet they did in droves.
And I think it’s been that way for decades. The GoP wins mostly by lucky chance, not by actively selecting good candidates and campaigning with all their heart.
I think the Demwhits think they can change that calculus. The Won will do something to make sure he is re-elected and also set the stage for Demwhit re-election in 2016. They have no intention of allowing the Reprobates back in charge. They’re bought in and plan on staying.
You are also wrong about the two party system. Throw in with the party that represents the most of your positions. Since it is a two party system, That can’t be too hard. After you get the dubious at best choice elected, try to push for the most important issue that your dubious at best candidate supported in the campaign and try to make it his/her most important issue to push. If you win a battle, you get to reassess your allegiances according to the balance of the issues in the next election. It might take more than your whole life to accomplish your goals but, if you win a few battles, you will find it easier to choose your candidate each time. If you throw up your hands and assume the thing doesn’t work, your enemies have beaten you, and they won’t give a damn what you wanted because you wouldn’t fight them for it. I will take anyone the Republicans nominate, unless they also nominate a communist. I hardly think any of the Republicans in this field would qualify for that mantle.
As to this article, Zombie should wait to see what the political landscape looks like after the Republicans actually nominate one of these supposed 2nd stringers before throwing in the towel about the outcome. It is amazing how much stronger a candidate gets after the party is settled on him/her.
The parties can go right to hell. I am voting for my classically liberal consitutionalist small government peace and prosperity principles this time. The 2 party system, and the rest of the American system as it is, can go right to hell. Give it liberty, or give it death. Just like Zombie says that the communist education system must be destroyed to save it, perhaps the progressive system (represented in both parties) must be PAID FOR DEARLY by Americans, to finally learn the lesson and destroy it.
If Ron Paul is not nominated, I hope he breaks off into a 3rd party and ruins the Republican’s chances. Call it gloating, or call it the same thing everyone else is saying but in reverse: “You’ll damn well vote for XYZ, because you’ll have to!” They will have gotten what they deserved- and if Ron Paul doesn’t pick up the oval office so will America get the government it deserves. Nothing has been as great for the real conservative movement (read: not neo-con, like Zombie) as Obama & friends. Maybe the Tea Party hasn’t finished purging the GOP in time for 2012, but perhaps folks who’re riding Ron Paul’s ideological coat tails (like West, Jindal, Palin, and Ryan) will be welcome by Ron Paul in a new 3rd party after 2012?
Zombie is boosting a bunch of leftists who should be running as demonrats. I want a Henry Clay, an Aaron Burr, a Douglas MacArthur!I don’t want some whiney, wankey Lindsey Graham, or one of his clones mentioned above. Zombies heroes are my sissypoos.
The Republicans may play that game (“8 for us, 8 for them, then it’s ‘our turn’ again”), but the Democrats don’t. Not only do the Democrats want to win every election, they’ll do anything necessary to do so. Ultimately, their goal is to turn America into a one party state, like Chicago, or like Mexico was under the PRI party. That’s why they’re intent on flooding the borders with as many third world expatriates as possible. Ultimately it’s about the demographics for the Left, and not only do the Democrats know as much, they openly say so (read “mydd.com” & “Daily Kos” regularly–they’re obsessed with shifting the demographics to ensure Democratic one-party rule).
The checkered-pants-country-club Republicans, though, probably do really believe in the old “8 on, 8 off” calculus. That would appear to be the logic behind their tired “it’s Mitt’s/McCain’s/BobDole’s turn” routine. The Republicans don’t want any of their preferred candidates to be exposed to the carnage that will undoubtedly befall any Republican who stands in the cross hairs of Obama’s and the Mainstream Media’s scorched-Earth, anything-to-save-The One’s presidency 2012 barrage. So they’ll let Mitt take the fall. When Obama metaphorically slashes his throat and pisses on his dying body, the Media will talk about how classy Mitt was in defeat (a la McCain, Dole, Bush 41, etc.). Then the Republicans will bring out the big guns — get ready for Jeb! — to take on Hillary in 2016.
When discussing rigged elections PJmedia is doing its part to corrupt the process. Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio are not natural born citizens as defined at the time of our founding. Jindal’s parents were Indian citizens at the time and Rubio’s were Cubans. The 1757 law of nations defined natural born as one having no allegiance to any other country. They were to be born here to parents of citizens. I do believe that unlike Obama, Jindal and Rubio love this country but the law SHOULD be the law/
I think these Rubio and Jindal birthers are 95% Democrat plants, trying to stir up conspiracy theories.
They were born in the USA, they are natural born citizens. 14th is part of the Constitution. BTW: George Washington was not a natural born citizen according to your theory
I am a solid Constitutional Conservative and a registered Republican. I believe in the Constitution and know that despite what the media, the Left (I repeat myself) and certain of the “establishment GOP” believe or want to believe, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the definition of a Natural Born Citizen as intended by the language in Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution.
See Minor v. Happersett (1875), which decreed that a person born of CITIZEN PARENTS within the jurisdiction of the United States, are always considered citizens of the United States.
And that conversely, those born of parents who were NOT citizens of the US at the time of the child’s birth are NOT constitutionally defined as “natural born citizens”.
George Washington and those who succeeded him in the presidency were born on British (or foreign) soil; thus their generation was absolved from this requirement. But succeeding generations who came after “the adoption of this Constitution” were not, and for good reason: the framers wanted to prevent someone with allegiance to another country from occupying the position of chief executive.
To wit: Obama — born of a foreigner whose loyalty to the US was highly suspect. Obama’s hatred of America is living proof of why it was a wise move on the framers’ part to specifically include Clause 5 into the eligibility description.
A tremendous amount of research has been done by many scholars and legal experts on this matter, brought about because of Obama’s birth circumstances to a father NOT an American citizen.
The man Obama claims to have fathered him was Kenyan and a British subject. Ipso facto, Obama — regardless of his place of birth — is not eligible as the founders intended, for the above stated reason.
Thus, Marco Rubio (who I voted for to represent me – a Floridian – in the Senate) and Bobby Jindal are NOT natural born citizens as defined by the Constitution. Their parents were not yet naturalized at the time of either men’s births.
If we as countrymen agree that stipulation needs to be changed, let us go through the amendment process and change it. But to ignore it is to violate a core tenet of our Constitution, and does damage to our country, as we have seen for the past 3 years.
It’s awfully easy to discount those of us who are strict constitutionalists as being “birthers”. But that’s just a cheap way of admitting that you haven’t done your due diligence on the matter.
And I assure you that if Sen. Rubio or Gov. Jindal ever decide to run for President or Vice President, there will be a firestorm over it that the establishment GOP and Constitutionally illiterate will wish they’d never invited.
We have learned by this usurpation. And we won’t be fooled again.
Peace.
Well said. It is also the argument against so-called “anchor babies” but that’s another discussion.
Would still be a thrill to see either Rubio or Jindal in the V.P. slot, though.
Andrea,
Nicely put.
I think only the fringe will be concerned about who Jindal’s and Rubio’s parents were and… those fringe voters will vote for them anyway if the other choice is Obama.
The assumption that being born of American parents makes you an automatic supporter of America and the constitution is glaringly false. One is pro American and freedom loving by virtue of a proper Philosophy and set of values. Foreigners, who became citizens by choice and belief are more ardent and explicit supporters of the constitution and the American way of life than most Americans are.
Jindal is overrated anyway. He flopped in his first national televised appearance. I was a supporter of Barbour and was very disappointed when he took a pass on running a week after he had back surgery. Apparently his weight caught up with him.
And the thing wrong with Bachmann isn’t that vaccine nonsense. It was her approach to the debt ceiling. She really flubbed that one, and unlike vaccine trivia, the debt ceiling is something that matters.
The three conservatives Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum are fine, but the only ones who are touted are the ones Obama can beat or the one who will grow Leviathan like a good Bush Republican.
Quit complaining Zombie. None of those other Republicans you mention would be doing any better if they were in the race.
We need to drive home the message that we disagree with Obama’s and Hillary’s policy of selling weapons to the Mexican Drug Cartels. Yeah, selling those guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels was really bad policy.
And Obama owns that policy. If it was a rogue operation, committed by someone in the bureaucracy, that someone would be in jail already..
No, they are not “fine.” If it weren’t for moral elitist socons like them (and you, I suspect) trying to force their religious beliefs on us through legislation, this country would be Republican from coast to coast.
Ding-ding-ding! You win the bonus round! I’ve been saying this for a long time. Perhaps I lean more libertarian than Repub., but definitely conservative. Mostly I just want to be LEFT ALONE. NO social engineering from either side. We have the best foundation for govn’t in the world, the Constitution. Leave it alone, and use it.
I prefer candidates who are moral, someone an amoral or immoral person would call a “moral elitist”. Welfare statism, abortion, the imposition of the Gay Agenda on the heterosexual Christian majority, massive debt and deficit spending, and excessive taxation are all immoral in my opinion. Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum are moral people and their detractors such Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Chris Matthews and ilk are immoral. No one who lies as much as Obama, can be moral. This country and its Constitution and its freedoms and prosperity cannot exist without moral leaders and people.
You’ve got it backwards, thanks to the lies of the propaganda cartels. It’s the amorals and immorals who are imposing their depraved values on you. Church people didn’t go defecate on Obama’s occupy camps. No, it was Obama’s occupy campers who defecated in the churches.
Fred Thompson. No fire in the belly. Which is code for he isn’t a meglomaniac.
That, and he was flying cover for McCain…
+1
As long as we’re trying to get people to change their mind, how about Jeb Bush?
Solid executive experience.
Hispanic vote.
(and he’d drive the GWB h8ters bonkers! heh)
The only thing wrong with Jeb Bush is that he is a member of the utterly corrupt Bush family. I could only vote for Jeb if he officially renounces his affiliation with the Bush family.
*grin* … I rest my case.
I thought one of the reasons this country was founded was to reject the family dynasties that ran Europe. You really want a third Presidents from the same family, and the first two weren’t so hot. You have to be kidding.
Should we have competing royal dynasties… Jeb Bush 2012, then Chelsea Clinton 2016…or maybe the Dems can draft one of the Obama girls in 2020. Then we can change the title from President to something more fitting, like King or Queen.
In a country of 300 million people, are their really that few capable candidates that we have to go back to the same small gene pool over and over?
Actually, Jeb would make four. Jeb and W’s mother, Barbara, is a descendant of President Pierce (who was also pretty bad, though not as bad as his successor, Buchanan).
I couldn’t care less about being family or not. I care about credentials, potential, honesty, skills.
If Jeb has all of them in higher amount than his competitors he’s IMO the right man for the job, family or no family.
And that’s supposed to be America, judging each person on his own merits rather than his family name or connections. Apparently many Americans have forgotten about that and now judge people by their family name “we don’t want another Bush” or “he’s a Kennedy, he must be a boozing hypocrit” (or “a great guy” depending on your party affilitation).
Steve, the European family dynasties were hereditary. Those being governed had no say in the matter.
If majorities of American voters were to choose to put successive waves of members of the Manson Family into the Oval Office, that’s our privilege.
I am not carrying any water for another Bush either, but I haven’t seen much evidence of corruption(brother Neil excepted) among them. Misguided on many issues, but corrupt?
Precisely.
And Jeb understands the Hispanic situation in America. I’ve read. He can speak rationally to it.
His administration of Florida was generally good.
I’m not carrying water. I’m just stating a few blipping qualifications — in the face of mindless “OMG we’re all gonna die if he’s elected” syndrome.
I’m not saying there aren’t negatives to a Jeb Bush candidacy, but that the kneejerk screeching condemns itself.
We’re facing a second Obama candidacy (or an abdication by him and a Hillary run). This isn’t time for fratricide.
What was Ronald Reagan’s primary rule?
Grow up.
PIMF
The “Grow Up” was NOT directed at Jim Baker, but at others.
Sorry
I’m also for Bush for the reasons just stated. Proven executive competence and proven conservative credentials.
I take it four more years of Obama is fine with you?
Were you addressing me? Even if not, four more years of Obama will not be fine for anyone except his comrades.
To your suggestion that my former governor Jeb Bush might make a viable candidate in a future presidential election, I have but two words:
“Terry Schiavo”
Or how about this:
Jeb Bush = Consummate Blue Blood Establishment GOPer
Bush-Cheny 2012 (Jeb Bush, Liz Cheney). You’ve gotta love it.
Two words: Brokered Convention.
I am a political junkie, and the thought of a brokered convention just got my cold little heart pounding.
Everybody just has to firmly commit to support whomever is in second place in the primaries.
I admire your gumption and share your distress, but there are all those rules about signatures, filing deadlines, prerequisites for getting names on states’ primary ballots etc. and it seems a little late.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the creeps in DC are loving the Republican sideshow.
As Macker says: Brokered convention.
The problem with brokered conventions is TV and the Internet.
Maybe 50 or 100 years ago, it was OK for delegates to change their minds about whom to vote for, based on back room deals they made (though rarely in writing): You help nominate John Smith and I’ll see to it that we build that new highway in your district.
But today, all that wheeling and dealing would be taking place in full view of TV and YouTube. And it’s likely to turn off Americans who would regard choosing a dark-horse Presidential candidate that way as “undemocratic.”
Maybe, but when the consensus going in is “Everybody sucks, so we deadlocked the convention so that none of these guys would win,” the delegates will at least be given a chance to draft a consensus candidate. Whether or not we like the result, only time will tell.
Can this be implemented?
Of course it can be implemented. There is nothing in the Constitution that forces a political party to nominate their candidate according to the outcome of a bunch of primary and caucus results. If you live in a caucus state, go to your caucus and be enlightened on a whole world of detail about how political parties work. Nothing is written in stone except the rules of the general election. Media is a consideration because media people seem to need rules so they can tell you what they think of what is going on and if they get it wrong(which they almost always do) the party will suffer from a brokered convention.
NO, Zombie. Reality doesn’t work that way. This *is* the group from which we have to choose. Grow up, pick one. Would I like Palin to run? Yep. Rubio, too (Constitutional qualifications notwithstanding). West’s record is less than stellar, if you’re honest, but also OK.
But dreaming that one of the others will jump in is illusory and highly likely to backfire.
It’s a shame you hold such vitriol for Gingrich, for whom I currently plan to vote in the Primary. Of the current bunch, he is to me clearly the best qualified and most likely to beat Obama. Romney? You’re forgetting what the MSM did to McCain ONE F’ING DAY after he got nominated. Romney would be toast.
Just think of Newt Gingrich as the Rooster Cogburn of this patrticular gunfight.
Then our goose/rooster is already cooked. Put a fork in ‘im, we’re already done.
Bigfoot, you’ve hit on the main quality Gingrich has that none of the others do: He does not back away from a fight. That, and the fact that he, more than any other candidate, realizes that the media themselves are the enemy, as much as or even more than the Democrat Party. Gingrich is the only one who has repeatedly taken the fight to the media. I think that that is THE crucial requirement for any Republican running for national office.
“constitutional qualifications notwithstanding”?
)rolls eyes(
Yes. I’m referring to the fact that neither of his parents were US Citizens as of his birth in the USA. Why the exasperation?!
You’re forgetting what Obama can do to Gingrich.
Female Independent voters won’t vote for Gingrich after they learn about his past record of adultery. Dozens of women will come forward to claim they had affairs with Gingrich.
The records of Gingrich’s employment by Freddie Mac will be leaked to The New York Times.
Both Dem *and* GOP congressmen who didn’t like dealing with Gingrich in the 1990s will come forward to tell their story.
And last but not least, Bill and Hillary Clinton, who still have relatively high approval ratings, will come forward to snipe at Gingrich. Nominating Gingrich is an open invitation for Obama to replace Biden with Hillary as his running mate, so he and Bill can open up on Gingrich.
Gingrich will be on the defensive throughout the campaign, just as Herman Cain was. Until he’s destroyed, as Herman Cain was.
“Female Independent voters won’t vote for Gingrich …”
Oh, we prob. will, but holding our noses. And those that will are ONLY the ones who realize just how badly BO’s hurting our country & economy. In short, not voting for Newt, but against BO. However, I am totally unexcited and completely underwhelmed by Gingrich. I will not work for him, and can’t see many Indies like me doing so either. Some of his worst traits:
* megalomaniac (and worse: he seems to BELIEVE his own publicity)
* serial cheater; not once, not twice, and I seriously doubt it’s “only” three. Also CRAPPY apology for bad bhvr, “There’s no question at times in my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate.” WTF?! Oh, I see, it was a case of patriotism made me do it? Lamest. Excuse. EVER.
* off-the-wall thinking with a mouth to match — some call it “thinking out of the box”; I’d rather a pres. cand. actually THOUGHT about what’s spilling out his pie hole.
* Too many enemies, some made yrs. ago. Their complaints are the same as those from new enemies! Hmmm, guess a leopard doesn’t change its spots?
* He’s a quitter, just when his party needed him, and his supposed leadership, the most. Now he’s past his “Sell-by” date. He’s old, recycled news.
* Speaking of recycling — does anyone really think we’ll all just forget him sitting with Nasty Nancy on ye olde couch for the suckingest-up commercial yet aired? Most appropos quote here is from “Home Alone” … “I don’t THINK so!”
Independents are the fast growing group. Candidates and their backers ignore us at their peril.
sinz54, you forget: THE PERFECT IS THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.
I agree with D.D.’s post. You make broad statements without any explanation…not persuasive. The context of “Gingrich VS Obama” will put the focus of reality on most voters, I believe. Most will choose totoss Obama to the side, unless they were so inclined to vote Socialist again.
Of all the canddates running, Gingrich would have the testcular fortitude to respond forcefully to such smear politics…as opposed to the rest, who would fold, just “take it” and otherwise get steamrolled by the Dems.
I stand by Gingrich in the Primaries, and hope to be able to vote for him in Nov 2012.
Zombie,
Can you make your coupon specific to running for president? Then make it a PDF that we can all email to our favorite non-runners?
Thanks
You don’t need it to be a PDF. Just send the jpeg. Here’s a direct link to it for you to download: http://pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2011/12/absolution_coupon.jpg
Just email them the coupon and a link to this post, and I think they’ll get the message.
Get over your disappointment with the field of candidates. One of them can beat Obama. Herman was sliced and diced and now is gone. They would have done the same with Sarah, Mitch, Bobby. Marco, or Alan. Note they always criticize our candidates. Reagan was just a buffoon who did “Bedtime for Bonzo” and Ford was a stumbler, bumbler (even though he played football). We can witness the failure of liberalism in Detriot, Newark, or Oakland. Its all around us. Its sinking us under the weight of 15 Trillion Dollars, but they will NEVER give up. And there willing abettors in the Marxist Media will continue to support and cheerlead for O’Distructo.
So get behind one contender and support him/her. Send money, circulate petitions or make phone calls Get involved.
The 50% of Americans who pay absolutely no taxes and are subsidized by the rest of us could care less about Detroit, Newark or Oakland, as their primary concern is continued growth in their entitlements.
good post, but there is directive and their is possessive. Sorry, I couldn’t help it.
Once the GOP picks their candidate, republicans, libertarians and independents will rally around whoever that is. Or else the US as we know it is done for! You think we have bad leaders on our side…Pelosi,Franken, Shumer and Harry Reid…need I say more! And I could keep listing…. Rangel, Barney Boy, Dodd oh and how about Bidden… this group builds confidence Don’t they!
Palin has the ground people all over this country, she lead the force that is happening now and she’s at 32%???? WOW, no wonder we’re in this mess….
Sarah is at 32% because many people take her at her word that she is not running and have shifted to other candidates or like me are holding back and waiting. Believe me, that 32% is a floor. If she were to announce, it would quickly go up. In addition, the left & media (smae thing) have already taken their best shots with her. What is left is a “Sarah caricature” that is believed by left wingers and people who are not informed, and the real Sarah, who has not had any credible smear job that has stuck (despite multiple investigations, E-mail dumps, etc.). A real compaign would reveal that to the country.
I agree. If Sarah were to announce I believe she would immediately take the lead-and stay there. If she were to pick West or Rubio to run with her, we would see an energized and conservative ground swell like nothing we’ve ever seen. Obama would lose in the biggest landslide in our lifetime.
Frankly, I’m at a loss why any of them haven’t stepped in yet.
I agree. That’s the point of my post. A ticket like Palin-West — especially if they continued to pull no punches in their rhetorical styles — would be like a jolt of lightening through the electorate.
I’m not encouraging people to stay home from the polls next November; all I’m saying is that the Republicans would have a much better chance of beating Obama if they got an exciting candidate in there. The existing field is tedious at best, and in some cases cringe-worthy. But if one of the existing candidates gets the nod, of course we have to vote for him or her. (Except Ron Paul — I will never vote for him, period.)
Palin’s approval rating is about 15 points below Obama’s. There’s no way she could make up that deficit in just the two months before Election Day.
While many conservatives love her, her approval rating among Independent voters is in the cellar.
And outside of Florida, only political junkies know much about Allen West. If the convention nominated him, he would have only weeks to start selling himself to the voters who had not heard of him before.
We don’t have any thorough conservative who is so well known and so well admired by most voters already, that he or she could be picked by a convention in late August and expect to win in less than two months. Christie has made a real name for himself nationally. But he’s not conservative enough for the GOP base.
Sinz, in regards to VP candidates, my impression was that they were usually unknown to the non-political-junkies.
First, I’m a huge Sarah fan. Second, she is utterly unelectable.
The goods were too damaged by 2008 (mostly negative MSM narrative) and resigning as Governor (her deal there). Sarahbots, please give it up. You’re starting to embarrass yourselves.
Before she made her “formal” announcement not run, Palin came in DEAD LAST when matched up with Obama, all the time. She is a freak show. Besides, and most people won’t admit this, she would never win because she’s a woman. Michele Bachman is a woman who has intelligence and character that far and away surpasses anything that Palin has, comes in dead last when matched up with Obama. Think about why that is.
I would have liked to have seen Senator John Thune enter the race. He’s a good conservative and a fresh face, in stark contrast to the retreads we’ve got running now.
Sorry but “Hope and Change” was also a fresh face and look at what we got there!
Marco Rubio will never get the GOP nomination. He’s Hispanic and most Republicans hate them.
Troll attempt. Lame.
Go back to where you belong. You fool no one.
I’m not a troll. I’m a Hispanic ex republican. I left the party because of the hatred towards Hispanics. I love Rubio and wish he would leave the GOP and join the Libertarian Party. The Libertarians are the non racist alternative to the GOP.
Yeah, the Republicans are so racist they made Marco Rubio a Senator.
The Florida GOP is not racist. Recently a Florida Rep called Puerto Ricans illegal and the GOP condemned it.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/20/2464227/senators-call-to-check-citizenship.html
Meanwhile Mexicans are trashed on a daily basis and the nation GOP stays silent. There is no room in today’s GOP for Conservative Hispanics at a national level.
Republicans are already claiming Rubio is not a natural born citizen.
If Marco Rubio keeps his nose clean enough for the next several years, I will make you a bet that he wins the Presidency as a Republican who is favored by at least 90% of all Republicans. And, I will make you a bet that the democraps will try everything they can dream up to destroy him. As a Libertarian, he would fail, just as Ron Paul failed in 1988 as a Libertarian. The best thing Libertarians can do is try to move their most important issues to the front burner of the Republican stove.
Sorry but only criminal Mexicans are trashed on a daily basis – for trashing the United States.
Troll Translator: “I’m a libertarian and I wish we had someone as good as Rubio”
D-bag…..
Im white and Id belly crawl over broken glass and hot coals to vote for Rubio or Palin.
I wish people would understand that calling someone a bigot is only a little less worse than calling them a child molester. Its gotten to the point that whenever I hear someone calling someone else a bigot I have to stop myself from yelling at them in public. Do everyone a favor and lay off the accusations unless you have solid proof. Dont have any? Then STFU and STFD.
You need to change your handle here to dingleberry!
I knew a Dingbat who said that once.
I’m with you Zombie. The current field is very thin to be charitable about it. I hate to say it but a lot of dissatisfaction with the current slate is what is driving Ron Paul’s numbers and he is a nut. But it’s what we have unless the Republicans end up with a brokered convention. I think that the best we can come out with is Conservative control of the House and hope that the Republicans can take the Senate. That will stop a bunch of Obama’s activity. I just don’t see any way he will not be re-elected unless the economy takes another downturn. Depressing thought.
I think that the best we can come out with is Conservative control of the House and hope that the Republicans can take the Senate.
Maybe. But only with a lot of luck and some presidential coat tails; most of the current Republican presidential candidates probably won’t have adequate coat tails.
We need +4 in order to take the Senate without taking the White House. The Democrats have a lot of ground to defend considering that the seats up this year were last elected in the Democratic wave of 2006. Even without winning the Presidency, +4 in the Senate is quite realistic.
Hide and watch the Republicans go +5 or more in the Senate and +10 or more in the House, even if Boobily gets re-elected.
Having control of House and Senate without the White House will not do us any good. Obama will accelerate and amplify his increasingly dictatorial rule by executive orders, regulations and radical judges. If we fail to win the White House, America as we have known it is gone.
Allan West is a good guy, but there’s no denying he is a knee-jerk, big R republican who will tow the Party-line everytime…… sorry, not what we need now.
I think West is the real deal and I hope he gets to go on a Republican ticket as at least a VP candidate after he gets a little more experience in the House.
As a conservative I am also disappointed with the current slate of Republican contenders, and fear that Obama will be reelected. I did not think like this over the summer. Like the Palestinians, we never seem to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. We had Obama on the ropes, ready for a KO in the early rounds as long as we picked the right conservative to run against him. We let the RINO wing of the Party, in collusion with the media, control the narrative and denigrate the conservative wing of the party. There are many old school Republicans who fear a conservative President more than they do Obama.
Zombie, perhaps you are right about Gingrich, but I fear Romney even more. As Frank Pantangelli said to Michael Corleone in Godfather II about Hyman Roth:
“Your father did business with Hyman Roth, he respected Hyman Roth… but he never *trusted* Hyman Roth” My feelings on Romney.
The problem is that Obama got a lot of people motivated to get involved in Republican politics.
Unfortunately those people are idiots. The candidates reflect the state of the party.
Not so much the party but the state of the system & the way it works. Republicans are at a distinct disadvantage because of the MSM being perpetually complicit with the Democrats, giving them a pass all the while they ram a telescope up any Pub’s ass who dares to throw her/his hat into the ring. It’s no small wonder our side has a tendency to be witness to “second string” candidates.
Even so, our field of candidates is chock-full of people who would do a much better job as POTUS than our current incumbent. You know it too.
“Even so, our field of candidates is chock-full of people who would do a much better job as POTUS than our current incumbent. You know it too.”
Well, yeah. Which is faint praise, that bar is set pretty darned low. That doesn’t mean that any of them are what we really want or need.
If any of them except Paul get the nod I’ll hold my nose and vote for them. If it is Paul, I’ll go 3rd party as he won’t be any better than Obozo.
I think Ron Paul is a hopeless ideologue and would make a lousy President, but I cannot think he could be a worse choice than a communist ideologue.
If in fact conservative voters follow their recent history (of rejecting frontrunners) into the primaries, we will see a brokered convention. That would be my vote, and enthusiastically for a change. Then it does become important to have a bench ready–completely outside of the field which failed. There is only one man who is not only conservative but also very frank about it, and that is West. As far a being prepared for the job, there are only those who are unprepared and those who are badly prepared. West is an executive officer, knows east from west, left from right, right from wrong, and unafraid of a fight. Match him with a (relatively) conservative Congress and we will make progress, or slow the decline.
I am so disgusted with the GOP field that I have pretty much decided to vote third party in 2012, anyway. And if there’s no third party candidate I can vote for in good conscience, I’ll stay home.
None of these bozos will beat Obama, anyway.
To paraphrase the comic store guy from the Simpsons: Worst. Field. EVER.
There are new ads in Iowa asking people to vote Palin in the Iowa caucus. I don’t think it will go anywhere, but I’d be thrilled if it did.
I am so disgusted with the GOP field that I have pretty much decided to vote third party in 2012, anyway. And if there’s no third party candidate I can vote for in good conscience, I’ll stay home.
None of these bozos will beat Obama, anyway.
You are an ass. You are a quitter. You are a wimp. And you are a big, fat part of the reason we are in the current mess.
Voting third party invariably hands the election to the major-party favorite. Not voting “because they won’t beat [insert name here] anyway” is a self-fulfilling prophecy that tries to justify civic irresponsibility. Third party voting in a Presidential election is an adolescent temper-tantrum.
You vote for the best person there is. If the best person there is sucks, s/he is still the best person there is if s/he is better than the next-best. “Conscience” has absolutely nothing to do with it—or, if it does, “conscience” is satisfied by voting for the best. If “best” merely means “least-worst,” then so be it.
Get your head out of your ass.
Do yourself a favor and don’t post things to me on the internet I guaran-effing-tee you wouldn’t have the balls to say to my face.
I have voted (and worked) for two Bushes, Bob Dole, and John McCain, four sorry-ass establishment RINO nominees. So I’ve done my bit for the party. If the GOP wants my vote this time around, it has to earn it, not take it for granted. And this sorry field of candidates isn’t even close.
I see that it stings for you to recognize the truth of what I said.
Vote third party, then, by all means; run behind Ron Paul, the would-be Man on Horseback with the Gynecological Stirrups, and enjoy stumbling over the road-apples left by this horse’s ass.
Speaking of a horse’s ass, that’s a big assumption you’re making there, that I’m a Ron Paul supporter. Think again. I’m not.
If all that’s important to you is that the President have an (R) after his name, have at it. Just don’t expect any of the country’s problems to get fixed.
But none of these B-listers running on the GOP side will beat Obama, anyway.
I’m hardly in the tank for the Republicans, but I’m not voting for the communists, in whatever form, nor for the antisocial-ists, nor for the LaRouchians, nor for Ron Paul’s flibbertigibbitilibbertiarian base either, thank you.
Which doesn’t leave much save the Democrats (thank you, no) or the Republicans (no thanks, but faute de mieux…).
DRay, so you wouldn’t even vote for the lunatic Ron Paul? You wouldn’t be voting third party; you’d be voting fourth or fifth party. Your vote wouldn’t even register as a statistical blip.
You establishment types are the ones who sh*t in your own bed. Now you’re all pi$$ed off because conservatives don’t want to lie down in it with you? Go screw yourselves.
Easy partner,just tell him that if he dosen*t vote, he votes for obama. Did someone taser me or did you call for more candidates to step forward at this late date? This is serious and if hugobama wins America aint America no more!!!! Why not let Andrea Mitchell decide; 20candidates is suicide! Please don*t coach my Celtics with that attitude,it will take everything we*ve got to cure America of her CANCER IN CHIEF !
I hear what you’re saying, but here’s the thing. We’ve been holding our noses for squishy/go-along/liberal R’s since Bush 41. Look what it’s gotten us. They are a slow path to the death of our country, versus the Dem’s who are a direct path. In the end though, death is death. The establishment is all mad at the conservatives because we’re finally fed up. They criticize us for being “purists” or whatever, when we have allowed ourselves to be bent over their table over, and over, and over again. McCain was the last straw. We need conservative governance NOW. The party can go to hell, because a lib’s a lib no matter what letter he has after his name.
Gee, back in 2004 I don’t remember hearing *any* conservatives saying that Bush 41 was the death of the party, even though he had run as a “compassionate conservative” and governed that way. In fact, his approval rating among conservatives was around 80%. That’s despite Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind.
So when did conservatives like you come around to the idea that Bush 41 was going to be the death of the party? My guess was that it was in 2007, well into Bush’s second term, when he tried to make good on his pledge to give illegal aliens a path to citizenship and ran right into the nativist wing of the GOP which regards all illegal aliens as invaders.
I don’t understand this “I’ll stay home…” bit. Remember POTUS is not the only office you are voting on. If you have to write someone in to stick to your good conscience (albeit such a move is just a default vote for the incumbent), do so. But staying home is just plain silly & self defeating.
In 2008 when I had to swallow the bitter pill of voting for John McCain, I comforted myself by telling each and every one of the Obamaniacs in my workplace that I was only voting to nullify their vote.
DRayRaven, Buzzsawmonkey is right. I voted for Perot back in whenever it was, and too late I saw that all I did was put that jerk Clinton back in office. Bush I was distasteful to me, but you really need to think what the end result will be. If you feel that way, just go ahead and vote for Obama. Your third party candidate will not win.
that’s the spirit!
a vote for anyone but the Republican candidate is a vote for Obama. it’s just that simple. and if you know as much as politics as you pretend you know that.
staying home? in my family, that’s not an option. voting is one of the privileges and responsibilities of citizenship. I’m not going to whine and stay home in a snit because none of the candidates live up to my ideals. I’m going to go with the best available–which will be Romney–and I’m going to do everything I can to see that Obama is defeated.
Me too.
Barack Obama Will Still Be President on January 19, 2017
I’ll be doing my part to help. To hell with the mutualism of the two major Congressional parties as we know them.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/28/gary-johnson-announces-libertarian-presidential-bid/
I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson. And please, not one comment about wasting a vote. Otherwise I’d vote for Rick Perry and a part time Congress.
So vote for Rick Perry while you can.
– still gov of Cal.
I think nobody in the real world really cares who the Governor of the People’s Republic of California is at any time.
Mitch Daniels
Gov. Scott Walker
A Ryan/Rubio ticket would be nearly unbeatable.
Mitch Daniels would be excellent for this time in our lives, but his wife would be severely abused by the propaganda machine.
John Thune would be wonderful, not enough name recognition yet.
As many here know…I have been saying this for a while now. Five more years of the Fabian in the White House could have monumental implications. Not the least of which…the infusion of Marxism into the Supreme Court.
We ought to be putting forward our strongest ticket…not making up excuses and alibis for why candidate “X” is “not as bad as his record suggests” or candidate “Y” is not a phony pretending to be something he is not…or candidate “Z” is not insane and those words under his byline were ghostwritten by David Duke…and candidate “Z” had NO IDEA they were even being written.
For the love of all that is holy…is that all there is? Are we not better than this? We have a Fabian, with a lifetime of free market hatred systematically tearing down the system…and we quibble over the flotsam and jetsam of failed elections past…in order to save this land of ours?
Have we gone mad?
Get it right, get it now and get it organized.
Those who say “sit down, shut up and pick one”…are arranging deck chairs on the Edmund Fitzgerald. No…I don’t think I will sit down and shut up. Thank you. I’m much more in favor of saving this land of ours than in settling for the best seats to watch its destruction.
Bench the “B” team. It’s time to save the nation and lead the lazy out of their resigned defeat.
The way our system is set up though, it would be very difficult if not impossible for any johnny-come-lately candidates to get any real traction. Look at VA for example; only 2 out of the current crop qualified to be on their primary ballot, & they don’t count write-in votes. I am not at all sure that promoting would-be candidacies is a very realistic move. Any of the top contenders would do a better job than Obama; I think you know this though.
I love these people who want to Reform the System (because the two-party system is so terrible) less than a year before the Main Event. Idiots, all.
You want to reform the system by having an alternative to the Democrats and the Republicans? Not a bad idea—but where was the hierarchical party formation that should have come out of the Tea Party demonstrations? Nowhere; it never materialized. The Tea Party demos happened, everyone went home and felt good—and idiots using the Tea Party name, both legitimate and fraudulent, hijacked races in the 2010 election. You know what would have prevented that, and started a real alternative to the Democrats and Republicans? Right—organization. But no—all those lovely, earnest Americans insisted on acting like idiot OWS hippies, and eschewing organization. So the Tea Party pissed its energy away, with a bunch of the more unhinged disaffecteds gravitating towards madman Ron Paul.
In the meantime, along comes the astroturf “Occupy” movement—which was organized with Soros money from the get-go, and shephered by wolves in sheepdog’s clothing from the first bellow of “Mike check!” That movement spent half its energy pretending it was “leaderless,” when the entire movement was about implanting leaders to be called up as flash mobs next year.
So—we have a genuinely leaderless Tea Party movement that has pissed itself away, and now its survivors are talking about Remaking the System with nothing in hand just as we go into election season. Idiocy. And they’re going up against a stealth-organized movement with implanted leaders backed with federal and Soros money.
The Tea Party voters still exist. There may be no third party, and no official “Tea Party” party, but those millions of voters who ushered in a massive rebuke of the Democrats back in 2010 all still exist as voters. And one can only assume that Obama has done nothing to endear himself to them in the interim.
We don’t need a third party, therefore. All we need is a halfway decent Republican candidate to run against Obama. The same tens of millions of voters who booted out the Dems in 2010 will have no option but to vote for the Republican. The only way to make the Tea Party voters stay home is with someone sufficiently repulsive. And I argue that our current slate has too many of those.
The Occupiers don’t vote, for the most part. The vast majority of them are radicals who abhor the American system, or are lazy bums, or are underage, or are felons, or are crazies planning to vote for the for Party of Socialism and Liberation candidate. OWS got all the press, but it wont affect the vote to any noticeable degree.
Maybe the Occupards don’t vote. It doesn’t mean that they couldn’t be paid to vote; that someone doesn’t vote in their names; that they won’t be used as flash mobs to keep away genuine voters.
Yes, the Tea Party voters still exist. They are diffuse and floundering; they will, as you say, vote for a moderately decent candidate to unseat Obama, but some have drifted off to the mad Paulian camp, some have decided they will not vote for anything but a True Conservative, whatever that is this week, some have decided they Will Not Vote If [fill in the blank]. The spirit of Achilles sulking in his tent is strong within the Tea Party people.
I agree that we need a better nominee. But if we’re stuck with one of the current field, I would vote for him, were I able to, thirty-seven times per Brian Donlevy in The Great McGinty rather than suffer four more years of what we have now.
Oh, I agree — I will vote for ANY Republican nominee except for Ron Paul.
If it comes down to Paul vs. Obama, then we should pour all our energy into getting 51 seats in the Senate to block what either one of them may try to do upon election.
Trying to get a better nominee now won’t affect the final vote 11 months from now. If we try and fail, and end up with Romney or Gingrich or whoever, well, we can say we tried our best and still pull the lever for whoever opposes Obama. But if we try and succeed — well, we’ll have a better chance of winning in November 2012.
I’m not suggesting that anyone sit home and sulk — I’m suggesting trying to change the playing field while we still have a slim chance.
I’ve been saying for a while now that it is the Congressional seats up for grabs that must be our primary focus. We must send more and more Constitutional conservative representatives to Washington; continue to flush out the so-called “establishment” GOP along with the progressive liberal Dems.
It is only when we have finally cleaned House (and Senate) we will have a real chance of getting a true conservative candidate on the presidential ballot.
If we work really hard at this, 2016 could be our year.
Try a catch phrase that was used by a poster who was banned from a blog.
Two Party Evil Money Cult.
Work from that to a third party that has enough votes in the House and Senate to block the worst from both the R’s or D’s.
Much as I like TFK’s phraseology, if you’re trying to sell a concept widely enough for it to take hold you don’t do it by using terms that scare people, like “Evil” and “Cult.”
To build a lasting movement you need to be for something, not merely against something else—for one thing, if you’re merely against something else, you’re letting your opponent determine your agenda. The big failure of the Tea Party was that it failed to sell the concept of personal freedom as something beautiful and desirable to be for—in part because lots of people have already willingly sold their personal freedom for a block of government cheese, in part because a lot of people have been sufficiently ill-educated to not know what freedom looks like and to be afraid of the concept of personal responsibility.
So, you did what as the leader of what group in which state?
bttb
Well said! The GOP used the Tea Party. The Tea Party should have organized first and not allowed itself to be hijacked by special GOP interests.
I recall Hillary taking a reset button to Russia not long after Obama (pbuh) was elected and stating, “I never could understand a two party system anyway” that was the clue folks that the democrats and republicans are the same animal, professional politicians whose only desire is to continue to play Live DC wrestling pitting the evil wrestlers against the good guy wrestlers for the amusement of the people.
The answer is, The republicans don’t want to win because they are going to be in power even if they lose in 2012 as will the democrats.
Behind the scenes it’s a one party system and it’s power is in DC the rest is just bullshit to fool the people of America.
democrat? republican? both are the same critter.
I knew back in 2008 that Obama would get a second term and possibly a third all because he was proclaimed the messiah.
Hell, does it look like Obama is worried he won’t get elected again?
He is in Hawaii again golfing on the taxpayers dime not a worry in the world.
Why do you think the Dems are hopping mad about the voter ID stuff? Even I, who believe that there is way more vote theft than can even be imagined, and that the Democratic Machine has employed it to an outrageous degree even since its founding, have been shocked at the level of vitriol and absolute panic that the Dems are showing right now. I can’t turn on a news show without some Dem making a big thing out of what, to most people, is just a simple, common sense thing like Voter ID. I think we have struck a nerve.
Now Holder is attacking every state with ID laws. ACORN has re-formed under a thousand different names. And no news outlet is even covering all the actual fraud convictions from the last 2 cycles, all involving ACORN, NBPP, or other Obama friends.
Make no mistake: cheating is the plan. Harry Reid stole his election through thousands of wetback votes. When you look back at all the close races that somehow end up being recounts, the Dem always “finds” votes. Once? OK. Twice? Maybe. Every single time? They’re cheating.
Instead of worrying whether Newt or Romney is a Dem in Rep clthoing, we should have our eye glued to the Voter ID issue. I think everyone will be shocked at the results of the first election with real voter ID, no early voting, and old-fashioned absentee ballot requirements. Conservatives will win by landslides in districts where none have ever won before.
In the last two weeks, NPR has had 5 shows on, trying to brainwash people into supporting felons voting, and making hay over voter “suppression”. If we spent as much time insisting on common sense voting requiements as we do complaining about our candidates, good things would happen.
Motor Voter was an intentional criminal act. Everyone involved in its birth should be rounded up and shot. Bill Clinton can be first.
I wish those six, especially Palin, would decide to run but I would still also put my support in for Perry and Bachman. I have faith in them.
However I am worried that the system will be rigged enough or something will happen to keep Obama in office…
Utter crap. ANY Republican candidate will destroy Obama. Including Ron Paul. Case you didn’t notice America is in a DEPRESSION!
Oath keepers launches National Effort to Recall and/or Remove Members of Congress Who Voted for NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, U.S. Congress!
http://www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/uploads/201…
I like this proposal enough to try. The current field is so terrible and I’m getting sick of compromising time after time for the sake of the ‘party’.
in my lala fantasy land I’d love a Jim DeMint / Darryl Issa ticket. It will never happen, but one can dream…
None of republican candidates want to address accelerating deficit spending. Obama is mortgaging our future to fuel a spending spree to elect himself. The GOP is eager to help. This pipeline of free cash juices the economy and hides the damage of Obamacare, EPA ecofraud, and a thousand other lefty job killers.Drain social security of contributions and no one cares.
And another thing; The communist media is a little confused right now with their wet cold feet in the duck blind trying to get a bead in such a large flock of ducks. Please fly over one more time for me with your sloppy white bombs!
Ron Paul couldn’t even beat Ru Paul.
In fact, I think that any election of Ron Paul would wind up being a Rue Paul event.
One of them wears bizarre clothes that don’t fit their body type…the other is a cross-dresser.
The similarities between Ron Paul and Obama are astonishing. They both have apparently had ghostwriters, they both believe America is to blame for all the world’s ills, that Israel needs to be thrown under the bus, and that Iran not Disneyworld is the friendliest place on earth.
I would not stay home if the race came down to Obama vs Paul. I would suggest that nobody stay home. Run…as fast as you can…run.
New running mates Michael Moore and David Duke will step right in as next in line.
Bill Ayers for Secretary of State and Pat Buchanan as his counterpart administration.
Lovely.
Maybe there is something to that Mayan calendar after all.
Hilarious. Loved every word.
I keep trying NOT to believe in conspiracy theories, not to believe that some group has threatened or otherwise prevented the good candidates from running or got them to drop out this year as in 2010 – but the facts keep pushing me back that way.
If Obama were trying to screw up the country without getting caught, he’d be behaving much the same as he is now.
And I’ll vote for any of the current or other candidates over Obama, except for Ron Paul.
(And every time I try to sign up with PJM to a gmail address, I only get the confirmation email. I reply, but that’s it. Is it gmail or something at PJM?)
Here’s a conspiracy theory from last cycle to go with what you said: The media wanted Obama to be President from the moment he entered the race. To do that, they needed to drive Hillary out, so they came up with a plan to ignore her except to harass her about getting out of the race. Only problem was that they weren’t sure it would work, and crossing the Clintons and losing isn’t a good idea, so they decided to test it on a Republican first. They spent February alternating between ignoring Huckabee and harassing him to get out of the race, and when he finally lost on March 4, they knew this was a winning plan and shifted their focus to driving out Hillary.
Whoever is President illegal and legal immigration will continue unabated. Black flash mobs targeting whites will not even be identified as black while disagreeing with a black politician will be considered racism. Protected groups will continue to be protected by skin, gender and gender preference. Generally speaking white Europeans and their history in America will be considered as part of the problems of America rather than part of a solution despite massive evidence of the complete opposite.
Morality will continue to be doled out by income, race and gender in simplistic Robin Hood scenarios. Politicians and banks will continue to indulge in wide spread corruption, unnoticed and unprosecuted by law.
Our problems in America go far beyond who is President or who controls congress. The arrow varies between rotten to crappy in such cases. We have beheld the enemy and it is ourselves and the value system even Conservatives buy into to a certain extent. The symbiotic relationship between the American voter and who they vote for, based on naked self-interest rather than any notions of the greater good, has been so corrupted that we are in truth done for.
They say war is hell and I say diversity is hell, far more destructive than our own Civil War, especially when our new citizens emanate to the tune of 90% from the depraved communities of the Third World. To even remark that these new immigrants aren’t just the same as the old immigrants is considered racist and so the entire problem is revealed that simply.
This is not wishful thinking or projection on my part. I have spent 7 years of my adult life in 15 Third World countries. I have learned their languages and traveled and largely lived as they do, without a protective entourage, foreigners enclave or nice hotel in sight. On their own terms they are nice people with interesting and rich cultures. On our terms they are endemic losers who wouldn’t know greater good from a hole in the ground. That is because other people don’t exist in the Third World and you have to travel it to understand what that means. Suffice it to say that Third Worlders will think nothing of showing up at or leaving a hotel at 3 AM or 5 AM and turning it into a shouting free-for-all with accompanying colorful horn blasts from passing trucks who blast their horns just to blast them. Extrapolate that behavior out as far as you wish and you won’t be wrong. Whether it’s rubbing snot on a building as they walk by or throwing trash into the Ganges as if it’s a 55 gallon drum it never ends.
I have traveled on buses from Cuzco to Lima where to peer out the window is to peer into an abyss of unsupported dirt roads cuz no one cares or has the brains to have a proper one. I have been in soccer stadiums and movie theaters from Rio to Jakarta where the ammonia smell of urine is pungent because they either have no bathrooms or the sense to use them; in any case a Third World public bathroom, when you can find one, is hell.
I have ridden motorcycles through tiny villages in Bali where giant holes reach from one side of the street to the other and one has no choice but to negotiate bowling ball sized rocks used as filler while men squat doing nothing the entire day, every day, smoking cigarettes right next to the hole.
Multiply that by 10,000 different considerations. This observation was something I saw and learned and did not bring with me. The sight of walls topped by barbed wire and broken glass covering every possible access to a home is so common in the Third World it doesn’t even register anymore.
We are being undone by immigration more than any other single physical factor today and it is being enabled by political correctness, the single most destructive informal ideology in America today. Shanty towns are coming to America in just a few years and they will be enabled by our lack or resolve against overwhelming numbers of people who cannot or will not compete in our society or respect the rules and laws of that society; if they won’t respect such things in their own cultures, what chance do we have?
Although it sounds horrible to say it, the simple fact is that the Third World is full of stupid people and stupid countries. Until we can once again observe that simple fact, and it is a fact, without public denunciations, we will continue to be undone.
Prognosis: cultural suicide.
Read Victor Davis Hanson. It’s already here.
What I see in this is that political correctness and moral relativity are going to tear down society as we know it in the US and totally destroy the middle class and lower class. The rich will be fine in their walled, guarded enclaves. It’s the rest of us who will suffer. All cultures are not equal. Some are better than others. Ours happens to be one of the best. We can’t tolerate third worlders coming here and refusing to assimilate. We have to tell them that if they want to live here, they must change and learn to live the way we do. Period. If they don’t, we ought to deport them. If we can’t deport them, we must have adequate penalties for refusing to assimilate. No more coddling minorities, black, brown, or any shade or religion who refuse to conform to our norms of behavior.
As for the Republican candidates, the second amendment is my deciding issue. Is Romney pro-gun? No. Is Gingrich pro-gun? No. Bachmann, Santorum and Perry are all pro-gun. Ron Paul is, bigtime, but has other major problems. Sorry, the angel Moroni and golden tablets and magic underwear are a bridge too far for me, even without the anti-gun sentiments.
Jeff, Brilliant analysis. I live on the border, regularly go to Mexico, have been to Third World Africa and Asia and you’re right. The veneer of western civilization is thin and eroding away. I don’t see a way out outside of divine intervention. There’s a dark wall cloud on the horizon and we better hold on tight to those we love.
2017? Try 2025, if EVER.
Barackula’s going to suck our blood long beyond the “term” that he’s legally “bound” to. We’ve invited him into our home, and now he’ll never leave.
Zombie, I love your work and rarely disagree with you however this time I must. Like many Republicans you seem to want your candidate to be perfect. I call that the Republican disease. Gingrich is capable of winning. He will beat Obama soundly in any debate. Gingrich may have his flaws but they are nothing compared to Obamas.
I’m not asking for the candidate to be perfect. If Gingrich got the nomination, I’d vote for him.
However, I venture that few people will join me. Gingrich is absolutely loathed by the Democrats — his very name is like a medieval curse word. He won’t get a single crossover vote. And on the Republican side, he’s so morally compromised and politically corrupted that many conservatives will simply refuse to vote for him.
Zombie,
I think you have it right. I got together with my conservative-leaning family and was touting how well Gingrich did in the debates and that he would be a good candidate. Every one of them disagreed with me and said that Gingrich was morally compromised and could not lead the country. I was resoundingly thumped.
I think it’s going to be Romney. The only other one getting some play now is Ron Paul and I sense that his core support comes from a disaffected group that includes quite a few who harbor racist and anti-Jewish sentiment.
No, his core following are usually very young voters who can still be ideologues because they haven’t dealt with the real world much because of their age. As to Ron Paul, he thinks he will be the first politician to ever win the American Presidency through strict adherence to an ideology not of his own making. This is a sign that he does not usually think outside the box that he is happy to claim contains all of his opponents. Ron Paul is very smart, but he is trapped in a box he can’t even see yet.
I don’t think any conservative, or any voter with a shred of patriotism, will sit out the next election. And while some voters may find Gingrich flawed they have only three choices-
1-Vote Gingrich
2- Vote Obama
3- Don’t vote.
I don’t think choices 2 or 3 have any merit and I think conservatives of either party will agree with me. Remember the debates will change everything.
By the way I know many conservatives, especially religious conservatives, object to personal decisions and flaws in judgement Gingrich has made involving women. I ask that they pick up their Bibles again and read the history of King David. While I am not comparing Gingrich to David, the life of David clearly illustrates that personal flaws do not, ipso facto, mean one cannot become a great leader.
I will vote for anyone over obama, anyone who says they wil stay home if one of the current pick is nomlnated is part of the problem.
One caveat: The Torah does not condemn divorce and polygamy. The Gospel does. It was permissible for King David to take many wives, but Christians are forbidden to take a second wife as long as the first wife lives.
Ron Paul is bad enough himself and his nutty ideas add to that his following of current day anti-war kooks who are exactly like the pukes who spit on the Vietnam Vets when they came home winners only to have kooks like Ron Paul and his crew to enable the msm to loose the war after the fact.
This is my logic for selecting a candidate:
President Obama did not destroy our economy; it was trashed before he took office, by both parties. He has been wholly incompetent in improving it. His energy policies will destroy our nation if he is not removed from power, along with the extreme ultra-liberal wing of the Democratic party. His social give-away policies, as they take hold, will destroy the value of the US dollar. Hyper inflation is a real possibility. Obama has led one of the most corrupt Administrations which has ever bled the government.
Our alternative choices are awful, every contender has serious drawbacks. If one of them wins, we will have serious foreign and domestic problems when their term is expired, IF OUR NATION STILL EXISTS. IT took two generations to dig this hole and it will take at least that long to mitigate Washington’s dysfunctional governance. There is not one major federal department that works well.
On Nov. 4, 2012, we must make hard choices. You bet your life.
Current totals of the polls:
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Should we stick with the current crop of Republican presidential candidates?
No: I am sorely disappointed with the Republican field. New, fresh candidates would be welcome. (86%, 265 Votes)
I’m too depressed to even vote in this poll, much less the real election. (9%, 27 Votes)
Yes: I am completely satisfied with the existing field of declared Presidential candidates: They are the best and the brightest our country has to offer. (4%, 12 Votes)
I want the Republicans to lose anyway, so yes, let’s stick with this crop of also-rans. (1%, 3 Votes)
Total Voters: 307
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Which of the undeclared Republican presidential candidates are your favorites? (Choose up to three.)
Allen West (47%, 181 Votes)
Paul Ryan (42%, 165 Votes)
Marco Rubio (40%, 155 Votes)
Sarah Palin (33%, 128 Votes)
Chris Christie (29%, 111 Votes)
Bobby Jindal (23%, 88 Votes)
Other (name your choice in the comments section below) (4%, 15 Votes)
None; I prefer one of the existing Republican candidates (2%, 6 Votes)
They’re all stinkers; I plan to vote for Obama (1%, 2 Votes)
Total Voters: 389
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Let the people speak!
Well after all it was both Col. Allen West and Col. George Washington when they where in their early times.
I’ve been headdesking myself into permanent brain damage since the Republican field announced itself. About the only good news was that Giuliani wasn’t going to try again, but that has been more than balanced out by Ron Paul.
The Democrats have spent the years from LBJ presenting a steady stream of complete losers other than Clinton.
Why are the Republicans so utterly desperate to emulate that?
The Democrats spent from Truman to 2008 in an internal war between the traditional Southern/ethnic/agricultural/blue collar labor Democrats of the FDR coalition and the burgeoning ranks of academics, public employees, and New Left communists and social democrats who were trying to take over the Party. The leftist takeover of the Democrat Party was completed in ’06 or so. Along the way, their war gave us on the Right Reagan’s two terms, GHWB’s term, and at least GWB’s first term.
We on the Republican side of the ditch have been in a war since at least Reagan for these purposes between the Defcon/Ficon wings of the Republican coalition and the Socon wing, with the libertarians flitting back and forth between the wings and now the emerging self-described “true conservatives” who seem to hate Republicans even more than communists. Our war is going to give them two terms of Comrade Obama and perhaps the end of the United States as we once knew it. But, that’s OK, so long as we’re ideologically pure along the way.
Correct.
You PURISTS need to take your heads out of the WISHING WELL. The Federal Government dwarfs the 10 largest size American corporations in every conceiveable way other than profitability. It is a monstrous bureaucracy unlike any other. And if you owned shares in any of those corporations, the last guy you’d want to become the next CEO in financially critical times would be the really nice, competent, says all the right things, middle manager who’s risen up to supervise his 3-5 departments in the 150 department corporation in an exceptional way. He’s a good person’ but not ready or capable for that position. We are presently experiencing gross incompetance and inexperience in that position now, to say nothing of the direction he’s taken us. It’s difficult enough for Republicans to overcome the bias in the MSM, but the cannabalism within the so called Republican candidates makes it doubly difficult to really hear the realistic candidates message. The crop needs to be winnowed. That means realistically Romney and Gingrich. The political pundits, especially on the supposed conservative side, have been saying that debates don’t determine elections. Tell that to Nixon. If Gingrich will do what he said he would do upon receiving the nomination, that is challenge Obama to 7 three hour debates with only a time keeper and if on refusal follow Obama around the country on his heels to refute him and offer a constructive positive alternative, there can be little doubt Obama will be the third one term President in the last 30 years. Gingrich is the man who brought Republican control to the House in 40 long years and balanced the federal budget for 4 years. Romney can’t touch that and Obama hasn’t run a lemonade stand, for which he’d probably be arrested today. We absolutely must have someone who doesn’t need on the job training to take on the entrenched bureaucracy and reduce or deplete it to 18% of GDP. Forget the so called baggage. No honest person with 40 plus years of adulthood hasn’t changed their opinions and regrets their mistakes. Everyone has warts. It’s not Presidential looks, good hair or a smooth orator that we need. It’s proven accomplishments, experience in the bureaucracy that must be turned back, and a man who knows and appreciates the history of our unique and great nation. Gingrich is that man.
Well, like I said in reply to an earlier comment: I’d vote for Gingrich if he’s nominated, but I feel he has too much baggage and has too many bad memories associated with him for most Americans to get excited over the guy at this stage. If he gets the nomination, he gets it, and most folks like me will have no choice but to fall in line; but until then, it can’t hurt to try to broaden our options.
“The Federal Government dwarfs the 10 largest size American corporations in every conceiveable way other than profitability. It is a monstrous bureaucracy unlike any other.”
This is why I don’t understand how any conservative can support Gingrich. His answer to everything is a government program. If you think he’s a great guy, fine, but please don’t tell me that if elected he will go in and get government out of our lives. He’s another Bushie type who thinks he can run the leviathan “smarter” than the dems – Romney too for that matter. In the end, either way we’re still stuck with nothing but big government. What’s the difference?
“What’s the difference?”
The difference is, “the president proposes, the Congress disposes.” Congress holds the purse strings. The president can’t get anything done if Congress won’t fund it.
At least, that’s how it’s supposed to work….
I am with you, Buster. It is Gingrich or Romney, and Romney is a nothing. The others who are running are children. The one’s who are not running are either cowards or they have the wisdom to know they are not ready. Newt Gingrich, scars, vices and all is the Rooster Cogburn of this race. I believe I will go with him.
My perferred choice is Jim Demint
Chris Christie?!? He is no conservative. Your “default nominee,” Mitt Romney is a helluva lot more conservative than Christie. And he has a much better, LONGER track record than Christie.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Romney is the conservative answer. But he is a viable alternative and WE MUST ALL VOTE FOR HIM IF HE IS OUR NOMINEE! This election is MUCH TOO CRITICAL to throw in the towel in December 2011. We need to rally around WHOEVER our Republican nominee happens to be… from Romney to the ‘crazy eyed’ Bachmann to… yes, even Huntsman if that were to happen.
We cannot afford to lose this election.
Repeat:
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE THIS ELECTION.
We cannot (as in must not… no way… no how…) lose this election.
Kapish?
Kevin Williamson provides some good perspective on what we are looking at behind the scenes in the 2012 election: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286704/repo-men-kevin-d-williamson. Read the whole thing.
Zombie: Paul Ryan has one of those email contacts that won’t let anyone out of his district send him an email. Just thought you’d like to know. Any contact will have to be by fax or phone, I guess.
If you can find a Ryan email address accessible to anyone, post it here. Otherwise, just type in a zip code from within his district.
Rick Perry signed an executive order forcing every sixth-grade girl to get the Gardasil vaccination. This one horrifying act should prevent him from ever becoming president. This vaccine of PERMANENT DISABILITY and DEATH protested by Michele Bachmann was NO conspiracy on the part of Michele Bachmann!
http://truthaboutgardasil.org/
The Truth About Gardasil
January 11, 2011
Gardasil is the HPV vaccine, touted to fight cervical cancer. What they are not telling you is that thousands of girls are having adverse reactions to the HPV Vaccines, some have even died -at last count, at least 103 lives have been lost.
We have got to do something about this. These girls need our help! These girls are having reactions such as; seizures, strokes, dizziness, fatigue, weakness, headaches, stomach pains, vomiting, muscle pain and weakness, joint pain, auto-immune problems, chest pains, hair loss, appetite loss, personality changes, insomnia, hand/leg tremors, arm/leg weakness, shortness of breath, heart problems, paralysis, itching, rashes, swelling, aching muscles,pelvic pain, nerve pain, menstrual cycle changes, fainting, swollen lymph nodes, night sweats, nausea, temporary vision/hearing loss just to name some of them!
There is no known treatment to help these girls, as they suffer in silence. The doctors, if they even admit the connection, have no idea how to help them. So they spend their days going from appointment to appointment, from specialist to specialist trying to find someone to help them. Many of these families have started looking for help outside of mainstream medicine, which in some cases, may bring minor relief. However, most insurance plans do not cover this type of treatment, and as a result, this route is out of reach for many girls.
http://truthaboutgardasil.org/
Also: http://truthaboutgardasil.org/memorial/
Madam, you are a liar. Not a SINGLE girl was vaccinated under Perry’s EO. The political process of governance worked. Everyone got involved and the Texas government – legislature and governor – made a decision. Perhaps it was event he right one.
As to side of effects various drugs and vaccines, that is another discussion. Cheers -
To agimarc,
I wrote that Perry signed an executive order forcing the girls to be vaccinated! Thank God it did not succeed! Does that make me a liar that I wrote that Perry signed the executive order? Do you consider everyone to be a liar that reported Perry signed the executive order?
The permanent disabilities and deaths of the young girls from this horrible vaccine is terribly heartbreaking. God help them.
After having spent the last few months reading about, listening to, and watching their public reactions to criticism, I’ve come to the conclusion that we need Newt Gingrich. We’re not electing a lover, husband or even a handsome
face. We need an intelligent, experienced, “been there-done that” person who
is determined to wipe out Obama’s errors, return to constitutional governing, and stop the traffic on the road we’re on toward hell. Newt, ask Allen West to get aboard for your vice president, name a few likely cabinet members so we’ll know your iontentions. And kick Obama and his cohorts out of our lives.
God Bless the USA !!!!
Yes, Zombie, Obama is pretty darn awful and the joke is he doesn’t know it but we do and there’s nothing we can do about till election night next year and until then we suffer this total misfire who has added an extra dimension to the term presidential awfulness.
In the meantime, lighten up, Zombie. Have a little faith in the American people. Remember what they did to the dems last year? Top dems are bailing out of Congress now because they know that even if the Bamster is reelected voters will probably reward the Republicans with a veto-proof majority.
Sure, we’re all a little edgy over the possibility that Obama might squeeze by and get reelected. But, going back to the Mid-terms, voters were voting against the O just taking it out on the dems. You’ll see more of the same next year. And although it sometimes seems that too many voters aren’t all that squared away with reality I think enough will come through next year to send the Bamster home to Indonesia.
I will gladly vote for the Republican nominee. BUT I’d like to see a Republican leadership that has gotten over it’s Stockholm syndrome (to borrow Buzz’s phrase) regarding the national socialism-light introduced by FDR and still, unfortunately, deeply ensconced in the structure of both federal and state governments.
Above all, I want a government that will stay out of my pockets and out of my pants.
I like Rubio and West, but Palin’s record in Alaska and her role in the 2010 victory are golden. Sudden and relentless reform works, and she already has a solid base that would quickly get organized. Momma Grizzlies are no joke.
And just what was her record in Alaska to your mind? And do you know what you think you know from any source other than Palin and her sycophants. Her gasline is vaporware that gave the Canadians half a billion bucks. Her oil tax regime has chased new development out of Alaska, even on State lands and most federal lands already open. Alaska oil production continues to decline. Alaska energy prices continue to rise. And then she quit so she could go make money and escape that Ethics Act she liked to brag about. And if you say she ‘cleaned up the old boy system” you’d better have some names and dates of their dismissals or prosecutions. If you say she cut the budget, you’d best be able to cite chapter and verse in the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR), its online if you’d care to look, unlike most Palin supporters.
Well, well. Art Chance, a Murkowski sycophant trashing Sarah Palin. What’s a matter Art? Still butt-hurt some of your corrupt buddies had a little extended vacation at the greybar hotel, courtesy of the FBI?
Why not just crawl back over to the Red State sewer where you belong. I think everyone with a working brain knows Sarah Palin’s stellar record as governor.
Sad little drones like you only strengthen her support.
Describe that idiot’s “stellar record” for us, Blackwater; just what did she do? She made herself rich off fools like you and that’s about it unless you have some evidence the rest of us don’t have access to.
And if you knew anything other than what you’ve learned from her BS, you’d know that most of the FBI prosecutions fell apart and you’d also know that the half-governor had absolutely nothing to do with that. Well, you’d know a lot of things if you weren’t a Palin sycophant, but the general run of Palin sycophants don’t know much.
Are you also an expert on the oil and gas industry? The bimbo half term Governor could have benefited from your advise, I’m sure.
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I consider Bush, Cheney, and Obama to the madmen. Starting pointless wars, spending money we don’t have, stomping on our civil liberties, etc.
Ron Paul is the only sane voice in the bunch.
“Ron Paul is the only sane one in the bunch” That sentence completely undoes the meaning of language. A monkey pounding away on an IBM selectric would make a more reasonable statement.
I’m a political wonk. Still, I’m so disgusted at the choices I don’t know what to think. I consider myself a Tea Partier, but the Tea Party utterly failed to push forth a useful candidate.
If Huntsman/Romney/Gingrich (written thusly to represent they are all the same Progressive personality/candidate) gets the nomination, I’m going to vote for Obama. Clearly, the country has not learned a lesson, and we need another 4 years of economic catastrophy.
Assuming it’s not Ron Paul (I agree, he’s a Progressive-leaning madman), then maybe we have a shot. I don’t know if Bachman or Santorum can beat Obama come next November, but I’d vote for either one of them.
Classic Moby attempt.
C+ at best.
It may be a “moby,” but it’s hardly a good, let alone a Great, White Wail.
Lets see, these two go in this box, those three go in that one, these others could be left out of a box for a short while until I find which box to shut them up in. Unless everyone likes my favorite or if any of these others try to get out, I will vote for the communist and teach them all not to mess with me! Sheesh.
As I recall, Trueman was a second stringer. LBJ was a second stringer too. Trueman lost China and stalemated in Korea, and the Texan LBJ blew Vietnam in favor of the Great Society and fear of China. A creature from congress too, Ford was a second stringer and lost South Vietnam to a democratic congress, but he did like wearing “Win” lapel buttons (for winning against inflation). Come to think of it, a creature of the senate, Obama is a second stringer too (Mr. Bill was the first black president and Hillary was the presumed candidate) and the middle east is, well, now down the tubes, Nato and the Euro zone is kaput, and it’s a post American world in favor of nation building in Chicago on the Euro model. What could a second string Mormon who hid out in France in a palace during the Vietnam War do that would be any worse? Well, for a country that started out in rebellion against the mandatory purchase of English tea and tax stamps, it’s nice to know we’ll probably all be enjoying the mandatory purchase of private corporate health care insurance for just being alive. Mandatory brothel memberships, mandatory voting, and the mandatory teaching of the joys of gay sex in all fifth grades, public or private schools, can’t be too far behind. Curious how no one has an issue with the separation of church and state when it comes to the illegitimacy of imposing sectarian “social justice,” but when it comes to the failure to separate the economy from the state and imposing sectarian economic “social justice” everyone seems to think that’s normal an OK. It sure has created the conditions for a lot of violence in the past.
Zombie is not realistic.
Blacks and Hispanics vote for Dems. Obama got well within historic norms of turnout and voting percentage for both, comparable to Kerry, Gore, and Clinton.
Whites vote about 65-70% Republican, including White men of all incomes (Dems are the anti-White guy party), and Blue Collar White women (who get no AA preferences and have to deal with the outcomes of Dem policies).
The margin for winning and losing is … Professional White women.
In the 1990′s, they gave the Presidency to Bubba Alpha Male. In 2000, to George W. Bush despite Al Gore’s robotic attempts to be an Alpha Male by wearing earth tones and tongue kissing Tipper like a crazed sex poodle. In 2004, Professional Women again gave the Presidency to Bush. In 2008, they gave it to Obama. Mr. Alpha of Alpha Males.
The key for any Republican is not to win that demo (it is impossible — for ideological reasons they’ll vote Dem about 60-70% but to take around 40% of them). White professional women have a vested interest in big government (which employs oodles of them) and mass immigration (all those immigrant, non-White kids to teach and preach at) and nanny state-ism (all the better to give the lessers a good moral lecture). But …
An Alpha Male like even Bush, can win enough of them over to take victory. White professional women are the strategic terrain over which elections are fought and won or lost.
Out of all the candidates, which one looks the most Alpha Male, the most top dog, the most powerful/confidant? Romney! Any of these other clowns: Rubio, Fatso Chris Christie (the appeal of a cold bowl of LARD to women), Bobby Jindal (skinny and weird, not dominant), and so on are poison. Marco Rubio? How much swooning goes on in his campaign events? How hunky is he? Allen West? He’s too old, and not smooth Alpha enough to chump out Obama in subtle ways women voters love.
When Obama did that rap video brush-off to Hillary — women loved it! Nothing says Alpha like a putting of someone in their place. Cuttingly.
Personal aspect, not policy, is critical in winning the terrain of White female professional voters. White guys will crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama, as will Waitress Moms. It is White professional women who must be broken off, a 40% chunk approximately, to win.
Well, that and fighting against the massive voter fraud Obama is planning.
@whiskey — It doesn’t really make a difference who is our next President — Obama, Romney, whoever… America and Western Civilization are going down.
The family is disappearing in America. The family is the Brick of Civilization. When the family disappears, Civilization disappears.
Out-of-wedlock births comprised 5.3% of total births in 1960, including 2.3% of white births and 23% of black births. Today, the illegitimacy rate is 41%. Among whites, it is 28%; among Hispanics, it is 51%; among blacks, it is 71%.
In 1960, 72% of all adults ages 18 and older were married; today just 51% are.
The Republicans and Democrats aren’t going to save you.
The social, cultural, and moral revolution of the 1960s has destroyed this nation. Over 40 years of feminism has destroyed the society. And let’s not forget Ted Kennedy who destroyed America with his 1965 Immigration Act…
Goodbye America. It was nice knowing you.
They hate it when we talk like this, but I’m old enough and well off enough that if I cared enough, getting laid can be a strictly commercial proposition, so I don’t much have to care if women like me.
The single most important demographic to Comrade Obama and to Democrats generally is never married and divorced women, many of whom fall in the “professional women,” though I prefer my “professional women” to be a different sort.
A goodly number of them are simply man haters who want nothing to do with men except when they need their toes curled and they haven’t yet succombed to the charms of the vagitarians. They were well aware that voting for the cool black dude was the second best way to piss off every white guy that ever pissed them off.
I don’t know how we get them to vote for a practicing adult male heterosexual who speaks in complete sentences; he might want to discipline their kid or something. Hell, he might even object to the credit card balance. I think I’ve finally made it into the misogyist ranks. I’ve worked with a lot of women. I’ve hired a lot of female subordinates. I came to even prefer females over young males as subordinates because at least they’d work. The males had one Helluva lot of self-esteem and no discernable reason to have it. That said, huge percentages of women simply do not think rationally and one Helluva lot of them sit on their brain. And they say we think with the wrong head!
The problem as I see it is that we cannot afford to go strictly by an ideologue call it conservative of progressive. There is a high probability that the Republicans will hold the majority of both houses for the next congress, in an Obama for the next four years scenario we are all but guaranteed to be at a virtual standstill until the midterms in 2014. This country does not have two more years to give, the consequences of a do nothing government would almost be insurmountable. They may not be the ideal conservative candidates but they would most assuredly be able to work with a Republican congress better than the Obama option.
You are silly, Lucius. The government is here to help you.
I’m voting against Obama. If it’s Romney, he’s got my vote. He might be wrong on the issues, but he’s an adult and has the country’s interests above his own.
This isn’t choice, it’s duty. I’ll be damned if my children and grandchildren will say he could have done something to save this country, but he did not.
@whiskey — It doesn’t really make a difference who is our next President — Obama, Romney, whoever… America and Western Civilization are going down.
The family is disappearing in America. The family is the Brick of Civilization. When the family disappears, Civilization disappears.
Out-of-wedlock births comprised 5.3% of total births in 1960, including 2.3% of white births and 23% of black births. Today, the illegitimacy rate is 41%. Among whites, it is 28%; among Hispanics, it is 51%; among blacks, it is 71%.
In 1960, 72% of all adults ages 18 and older were married; today just 51% are.
The Republicans and Democrats aren’t going to save you.
The social, cultural, and moral revolution of the 1960s has destroyed this nation. Over 40 years of feminism has destroyed the society. And let’s not forget Ted Kennedy who destroyed America with his 1965 Immigration Act…
Goodbye America. It was nice knowing you.
I voted Other: Mike Huckabee should be our next President, and frankly, the Republican Party dropped the ball by not nominating him last time.
Can’t wait for the gen election, as it will be onemore step towards elimination of all religions, the nationalization of the banks and oil industry, and the slow but definite death rattle of so called “conservative” principles as substatiated by such intellects as Victoria Principal, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin (Hey! Here’s a campaign bumper sticker that will catch on like wildfire: “Pinheads for Palin!”), and the newt. Listening to the “debates” I’m reminded of what my old man used to say: I don’t know whether to shit in one hand or listen with the other and see which one fills up first! Face it – You guys got nothing! No ideas worth a tinker’s damn, no candidates that you wouldn’t call the cops on if you saw them at your front door. This is the price you pay for allowing pinheads into your little club.
Brokered convention? Remeber: Pinheads for Palin!
Zombie,
I have followed your posts with great interest, but, in my opinion, you are wrong about the field of Republican candidates. None are perfect, but neither are your suggested alternatives, and none of the names you suggest would be doing any better than the actual candidates at this point. Chris Christie, for example, is no conservative; he is nothing more than an Eastern Establishment RINO, and probably far worse than Romney. Palin, as a candidate, would be savaged by the MSM. Rubio, like Obama, has deliberately misstated facts about his family history in order to gain political advantage.
My personal choice for nominee would be Rick Perry, despite your qualms that he might be too socially conservative, but if he is not nominated, I will vote for whoever is nominated (unless it is that fruitcake Ron Paul). Perry may advocate policies that, as you put it, might “meddle in American’s private lives” but his record shows that if he did, it would be through Congress and in accordance with the Constitution, NOT through some executive order process. Certainly, any social policies Perry might espouse could have no worse a negative impact than the policies that Obama is already ramming down our throats.
In fact, anyone of the current Republican candidates, with the exception of Ron Paul, are better people than Obama and any one of them, provided they run a good campaign can win against Obama next November.
Above all, the Republicans need to nominate a conservative who can conduct an effective and exciting campaign, articulate effective solutions to problems, and present the voters with a clear choice between the current disastrous course the country is embarked on and one that restore it’s power and prestige. I believe that candidate is Rick Perry, but I will support Gingrich, or God forbid, Romney if either is the Republican nominee.
I agree…except about Ron Paul. He’s my least favorite candidate too, but in 4 years or even 8 he’s far less likely to cause irreversible problems than Obama. The President has limited powers. He can’t close military bases, change the tax code, revise immigration laws, cut off financial support for other governments (like Israel), or any of the myriad wacky things Ron Paul has suggested, without the approval of CONGRESS. Obama, on the other hand, has already passed Obamacare which will further destroy our economy and increase deficits unless it is repealed. If he remains President and even if Congress is entirely Republican, he will likely veto all reasonable efforts to balance budgets, cut spending, fix social programs, repeal Obamacare, and so on, leaving us with the same kind of gridlock we have right now. If Ron Paul is President, he is very likely to pass those kinds of things. So I think even Ron Paul would be a far better President than Obama. I hope he doesn’t win the nomination, but if he does, I’m campaigning like I’m a true believer even though I’m not because that’s how bad Obama is.
Two questions:
1. Who here will leave the country when Obama gets reelected? and
2. Where will you go?
We’re staying right here and voting again in four years.
Sorry, that’s a liberal tantrum technique — threaten to leave the country. We don’t do that.
The wife, her family and I have discussed this, actually looked into it and made some preliminary arrangements: destination is Krakow, Poland.
Are you just practicing your typing skills here or what? This issue has been beat like my dead horse already! Mitt will be our candidate, and you better get used to it and back him.
He will beat Obama handily, be a great, pragmatic leader and and shepherd our country from the abyss.
Who really thinks Obama has a decent narrative in 2012?
Reality
I hate to say it, but I suspect you are correct and collapse is coming. Our corp taxes are higher than most nations driving investment out of America. High taxes and regulation combined with free trade = giant sucking sound. Spending is out of control, and we need to face the facts. Military spending cant be off the table. Neither the right or the left will face it until its too late.
Worse yet, we have reduced the use of illegal drugs. But created a nation of legal drug addicts. Oxycontin, Xanax and Vicodin are being paid for on Medicaid/medicare at rapidly growing rates. With a new narcotic pain pill scheduled to be released that is 10x stronger than Vicodin.
Family is being destroyed by the welfare state. I would be much better off having my children out of wedlock. Let my girlfriend collect food stamps, housing voucher, free cell phone and help with utilities. The only cost, i cant have my name on the birth certificate.
I am not so negative to say America is toast. The spending can’t be stopped until we hit the wall.The great reset or collapse is coming. If the GOP is in power we will likely collapse into socialism if the left is in power they will try to collapse into Dictatorship. Without a moral people, it could be very bad. Worse yet the rest of the world is in worse shape, no aid will be coming. Japan and Europe are done, and we are gonna feel some pain.
I smell a brokered convention!!! Ya never know. It hasn’t happened in a long, long, time, but it still could happen. Actually, anything could happen now, even a Santorum victory in Iowa.
the politicians and broken promises comment made me think of Winston Churchill, when he switched parties, then switched again he said anyone could be a rat, but it takes a certain ingenuity to re-rat.
Spoken like someone who makes a living criticizing and complaining. Nothing wrong with that except when it comes time to endorse someone who’s actually running for President. In the last 8 Republican Presidential primaries, only once did the guy I liked best win the nomination. I have yet to see the ideal candidate. There’s always someone better who isn’t running. Guess what? There are problems with the non-candidates too, especially when the MSM starts trashing them. It’s time to get energized about who’s actually running because Republican apathy will lead to Obama and Reid destroying the country for 4 more years. Ron Paul is my least favorite, but if he wins I’m going to campaign for him like there’s no tomorrow, because there won’t be if Obama wins.
Maybe we should run another RINO like Mitt Romney, because that strategy worked so well in 2008 with John McCain?
No Republican could have won in 2008 because he would be stuck defending the track record of Bush, whose approval rating was down to around 35%.
Not since 1876 has an unpopular incumbent been succeeded to the White House by a candidate from the incumbent’s party. (And if you remember your history, the 1876 election was actually decided by a crass political deal too.)
But if you lengthen your baseline a bit, then here’s the track record where domestic policy is concerned:
Moderates who won:
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1968: Nixon
1988: Bush 41
2000: Bush 43
2004: Bush 43
Conservatives who won:
1980: Reagan
1984: Reagan
So so-called “RINOs” won 7 terms, and conservatives (Reagan) won just 2 terms.
Conclusion: Since the end of World War II, RINOs have won more often than true conservatives.
But Nixon and both Bushes won by running as conservatives. A politician going soft or outright lying to the voters is a moral problem on the politician’s part, not the electorate.
Regardless of ideology, the young, charismatic male in any contest will always win.
My knowledge of USA candidates is limited, so the only real potential I am aware of is Col. Allen WEst.
If there are more like him, women and men, then the Republicans have a chance.
Why can’t PJ Media field some candidates??
I would like to see Fred Thompson run. He’s smart, he’s funny, and I have no doubt that he could handle Obama in a debate.
Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson is my choice or both as President and Vice. We can not go through another degrading 4 years of America with Obama. He is destroying America, the plan is working.
Romney is kind of a hot grandfather type.
Women will vot for him because he makes them feel safe and they want to sleep with him.
The perfect Republican candidate doesn’t exist. There is no other person in America with Romney’s qualifications to fix the mess we are in. Who else has his education and business and governing experience? If he was a Democrat the media would be telling us 24/7 that he is the perfect man for the job.
Mitt Romney will school Obama on the economy. If Republicans make even a half hearted effort to support him, Romney will win in a landslide. And Romney will be a great President.
Zombie –
you have to work with what you have.
I agree with what you said about Ron Paul, so work harder for the other candidates.
Surely the main thing is to win the election so the long task of detoxing the
country can occur.
One step at a time.
Get the country back first, then fix it.
We have to work with what we have? We have brokered conventions, write-ins, and political rules that make a Palin, Ryan, Rubio, or etc candidacy possible.
None of the people on your list is any more a seasoned politician than the one’s who are running. Good prospects for the future of the party, yes. Any more ready to be president than Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann? Give me a break! Santorem: Looks and speaks like a scared little boy and can’t even win his own state. Bachman: has no allies in the House because she doesn’t know how to have an ally and would stab one in the back if she had one. Romney: A man who has no convictions, none. Who has no idea what the life of a working man is like, a pinstriper, a fat cat, and The Obama Machine is loaded with double ought and waiting for him. He will fail to carry some crucial southern states because, well, the angel Moroni had these golden tablets, see, and… I’m sorry, but it is Gingric or lose, and we still might lose with him. But there isn’t anybody else. He knows everything there is to know about the workings of government. He IS a conservative. He has spent his entire life dealing with the problems and practice of governance, either in goverment or out of it. It is not that he is a good debater, it is that he needs no debate prep, no handlers, no memorized talking points. Romney is good at talking points. Newt is way beyond talking points. His problem is not that he is not conservative, it is that he is not disciplined and is attracted to numerous conflicting ideas. And he is egotistical – but not any more so than Romney or a great many other politicians. A novice will get nowhere in solving the problems our country faces. Take it or leave it, Gingrich is the only one able and available.
Anyone of the potential Republican candidates (except RP) will clean Obama’s clock. That’s how much he and the Democratic party are despised. People will be lined-up for miles to vote for anybody-but-Obama….bank it.
Need proof? Look at all the Democrats jumping ship…errr..retiring. Just like 2010.
Wave election part two.
Everything else (like this post) is just people with too much time on their hands giving us their unsolicited opinion (like this comment although I guess it was solicited).
Want some unsolicited advice? Buy oil logging industry stocks and real estate.
As everyone above has already pointed out, this election is absolutely critical. If the so-called “first string” are really concerned for our country, why are they sitting this one out?
Maybe because the contest (so far) has too many single-minded, solely-ego-driven, pit vipers in it.
I’ve seen monkeys in a glass cage (over the bar at the old Pearl City Tavern, west of Honolulu/Pearl Harbor.) They had a notable method of maintaining order, bash the hell out anyone who jostled the group. The current crop of GOP candidates doesn’t limit the bashing to those who jostle. They are, however, much like those monkeys.
Very sad.
Hell, at least Trump and Perrot could run a business. What have some of hese candidates achieved, or are they mostly just CFR approved to run? Any that are secret society members are part of the agenda that shackles the system. Look at the inordinate amount of hysterical negative press Sarah Palin received, and yet she is clean, but the unrelenting pressure would be too much on her family. No one should have to put up with that nonsense.
I have an idea… Stuff the candidates and the elections. Why not just declare martial law in 2012 and keep the current Administration till the UN gets its act together with Global Governance? That way the MSM will be happy and so will the One.
GARY JOHNSON
I voter Other: John Galt, from http://www.RobbingAmericaChronicle.com
Agreed. I say we nominate one of the successful governors by fiat – Mitch Daniels (IN.), Susana Martinez (NM), Chris Christie (NJ), McDonnell (VA.)..ETC. And then Rubio, West..ETC. for VP. Executive experience combined with lawmaking abilities.
Sarah Palin, the Arctic Fox is the one that can bring the restoration that this country greatly needs. Paul Ryan is an establishment boy that voted for all the big spending of the Bush era. He is 2 Bad Marriages and a fat gut away from being Newt Gingrich. Chris Christie is a liberal republican propped up by Fox News. Marco Rubio has already been coopted by the Bush machine and the establishment. The skids are greased for Rubio because the republican machine wrongly perceives him as the key the great hispanic hope, which he isn’t. Like Michele Bachmann, Marco Rubio has sold his soul to the GOP machine and they will try to make will president in 2016 or 2020. This guy is not the real deal. Jindal might be the real deal but he lacks the charisma of Palin.Jindal did not measure up well on the national stage. He did not endorse Romney, so that tells me he is not an establishment boy. Good for Bobby. Allen West sounds terrific , but he has a tough path to re-election and may have made a deal with establishment. I hope not West is one of my favorites.
There’s always this Hillary scenario
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2011/12/29/why-robert-reich-is-wrong/
Zombie…well that name says it all doesn’t it? Before you can pick the best candidate, you need to find out what America’s REAL problem?
1. First, does America really have a problem? If you answered “No”, welcome to the New World Order. No need to go any further unless you really want to transform from a zombie to a Patriot.
2. What does the Federal Reserve, Patriot Act, National Defense of America Act (NDAA), the Affordable Health Care for America Act, Social Security, and virtually every Other Act that comes out of Congress have in common? They are UNCONSTITUTIONAL! There is NO constitutional authorization for the federal government to exceed it’s constitutionally limited power EXCEPT by Amendment!
(Is that red blood pumping yet?)
3. The Federal Reserve is neither part of the federal government nor does it have any reserves. It just prints money out of thin air. Under Obama, the federal government has borrowed more money than ALL of the other Presidents COMBINED! We are sitting at about $15 TRILLION Federal Reserve Notes and Obama wants to borrow MORE! Not only that, but the Republican RINOS and the DemocRATS will vote to let him. Why couldn’t they include a balanced budget? They don’t want to. If we keep traveling down this track like a runaway train then the U.S. will go BANKRUPT! But that’s what THEY want.
4. Who are “THEY”? Well that’s the REAL problem. The REAL problem is that VIRTUALLY EVERY past and present President, Senator, House member, Supreme Court and other judicial members, Federal Reserve member, Secretary of States (who control election results), media, and more are members of one or more of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, and Trilateral Group which are ALL working in concert towards a New World Order.
5. Google “Agenda 21″. Go see the YouTube video http://www.DemocratsAgainstUNAgenda21.com (if Democrats are against it, it MUST be horrible!) Learn all you can about the International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives. It has permeated from the federal level all the way down to the local government level. If your city or county is “Sustainable” then the United Nations Agenda has infected your backyard. The end game is to completely end private property rights for the greater good of the community. No cars. The 7 billion people in the world will have to be reduced to 500,000,000. Who is going to decide your fate. Certainly not God; God’s being removed from everything.
Got a pulse yet?
The REAL problem with America is the AMERICAN PEOPLE (aka zombies) keep voting for IDIOTS AND ASSHOLES! I was a zombie once (more of a sheeple, actually). Now I’m a PATRIOT (and even started my own Tea Party.) I realized that our leaders swear a sacred oath to “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”, then once elected, they do whatever they want.
There is ONLY ONE candidate that has studied the Constitution; understands it and abide by it; and votes for it with every legislative vote. He has been consistent in his views for over 20 years he has been in Congress. He is undoubtedly the most honest representative in Congress. He is principled. He has integrity. He is constitutional in his actions and votes. I’ve done my homework. Do you own homework. Then you will realize that RON PAUL is the only REAL choice for President. The good people of Kentucky just elected his son, Rand Paul, to the Senate. It’s just a shame that Ron Paul didn’t have more children to be elected to Congress. Instead, we will have to find true constitutional conservatives to elect to congress to change the direction America has been led for the past 100 years.
It is IMPERATIVE that we cast our vote for the Constitution of the United States. If we lose our Constitution, there is no America. If we lose our Constitution, we lose our freedom. If we lose our freedom, there is no other place on Earth to go and find it.
Time is running out. Be a zombie if you like. It’s much better to be a fighting PATRIOT. Patriots made America GREAT. And we will again.
Reclaim the Republic.
Restore the Constitution.
Why do “they” permit Dr Paul and his son to be elected to Congress?
“I hate this field. What we should have had was Christie, Palin, Ryan, Rubio, West and Jindal. That could have been amazing. Instead we got the second stringers….”
None of these Yahoos, including Palin (who I like) knows enough about the Constitution of the United States and the Republic our Founding Fathers intended.
Christie has thrown in to back New World Order supporter Mitt Romneycare.
Palin is not ready to be President yet.
Ryan is an interesting choice. I need to do more homework on him. He did, after all, propose a realistic balanced budget proposal but couldn’t get anywhere with it – not even from his own party. There is a better balanced budget proposal than his, but NO ONE seems to care.
Rubio is no more constitutionally eligible to be President than Obama. Rubio does NOT meet the “natural born Citizen” requirement because neither his parents were American citizens when he was born. (Obama’s father was NOT an American citizen when Obama was born.) Obama should be disqualified from running for re-election.
West. James Elton “Jim” West? In 2005, while Mayor of Spokane, Washington, he was the target of allegations of the sexual abuse of boys twenty years earlier. These allegations became public after West became a target of a sting operation conducted by his hometown newspaper, the Spokesman Review. Some journalists and academics criticized the paper for what they saw as a form of entrapment. West admitted engaging in homosexual behavior with adults, despite an earlier record of supporting “anti-gay” legislation. Though never charged, he was removed from office by recall in 2005. The Federal Bureau of Investigation eventually closed its investigation and took no action for lack of evidence. Adam West would be better. At least he has a good reason for being batty.
Jindal? All I know about Bobby Jindal is that he went to RINO John McCain’s camp when McCain was auditioning veeps. If he would sink that low, then I have serious doubts about him. I’d have to do more homework on him but won’t even waste my time until he declares.
Until then, RON PAUL is by far and away the BEST CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE CHOICE to reclaim the Republic and restore the Constitution. Most everyone agrees with his economic policy, which should be #1 concern. But some people seem to have a problem with his foreign policy. Well Ron Paul’s foreign policy is, if Congress declares war (as the Constitution empowers ONLY them to do), then we’ll fight, kick butt, and bring the troops home. We have defense treaties with Israel and other nations that will obligate us to do so. No more wasting tax payer money on being the World Policeman. If Iran wants to screw with Israel’s nuclear arsenal they might as well kiss Mecca good-bye.
I wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul if he was the only candidate on the ballot.
Patriot guy, dust off your Constitution and find in there where a person born in the USA and who is at least 35 years of age and who has lived in the USA for at least 14 years is not eligible to become President.
“Which leaves us only with Mitt Romney. He’s the sole Republican in the current field who even has a ghost of a chance at beating Obama, but as many have noted, he’s an old-school-checked-pant-double-talking-insider-flip-flopping pseudo-Republican who looks, talks and acts like a phony.”
Ad hominem, anyone? Are we libtards now?
Gee, Romney .. Obama … Romney .. Obama?
Okay. I know who I’ll pick.
And who the HELL is Gary Johnson?
“I hate this field. What we should have had was Christie, Palin, Ryan, Rubio, West and Jindal. That could have been amazing. Instead we got the second stringers….”
Uh huh, well, the “first stringers” lacked the cojones to go for it. And who knows how any one of them would have actually performed in the process?
It is what it is. Suck It Up!
Tell me: who do you want nominating the next Supreme Court Czar? Obama?
Could’a, should’a, would’a … Time to play ball with who we got on the field. Chris “Fan-dance” Christie wasn’t up to it. Sarah Palin chose the welfare of her media-savaged family over running for president. Ryan wants to stay in Congress for now, doing what he’s doing. Rubio and West aren’t ready yet. Jindal is still feeling the sting of the right-wing elite over some stupid t.v. address that went sideways.
The problem is with the GOP system — not the current batch of surviving candidates.
“Tell me: who do you want nominating the next Supreme Court Czar?”
John ‘Souter’ Sununu?
Right on!
I don’t know if it was a lack of “cojones”; maybe a sense that we can survive four years of Dempublicanism under Gingrich or Romney, or even that another term of Obama will be tough, but not deadly for America. Some of them may honestly feel they’re not ready or not capable of winning.
But I do tend to think “dereliction of duty,” especially in Sarah’s case.
Tom Coburn wouldn’t be a bad candidate – not terribly dynamic, but at least he’s smart and honest.
I think you underrate the field Zombie. And you damn sure overrate the likability and electability of Obama. If this vote is truly a referendum on Obama, he can kiss his ass goodbye because there is no way in hell he can defend his abysmal record.
Your view of 2/3 of the country as consistently wrong as the progs, even if you vote right. You don’t understand Conservatives anymore than Bill Maher understands Conservatives. I’ve known that for years.
Keep up the good work in San Fran – but don’t move.
We don’t need California to win, and I like your pictorials showing the Sodom and Gomorrah of which you live.
Zombie, I love your work and especially enjoy your wit. I love the passion in this piece, but it is misdirected. The field is set. Our best chance to boot Obama out of office is to make sure we win in 2012. We may not love our candidate. (Anyone, please God other than Ron Paul.) We may not even like him. But, as you say, the thought of a lame duck Obama is too terrifying to entertain. Like it or not, we are all going to have to work our asses off for whoever our candidate is, flawed as he or she may be. That’s it. Nothing left in the bag. The goal is simple: Do everything we can do defeat Obama. I don’t think trying to draft candidates at this stage in the game will work. But I admire your passion and vision and hope that when we have a candidate, whoever that may be (Please God, not Ron Paul), you will write with as much passion about how we need to bust our buts to work for their campaign. We’re in a situation now that is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from ideal. But we need to rise to the occasion anyway. Defeat Obama in 2012.
I suspect that we will soon have a three man race for the Republican nomination: Romney, Santorum and Ron Paul. The rest stand no chance and will quickly begin dropping out.
I will be voting for Romney, and I believe he can win, especially if he selects the right running mate: either Rubio or Ryan. And if Romney wins, and the Republicans also take the Senate, I think he will surprise people as an effective, and reliably conservative president.
If the stars align in some way that gives Ron Paul the nomination, I may find myself forced to vote for Obama, with the hope that the Republicans can win the Senate (and keep the House) creating four years of gridlock….otherwise we’re doomed.
Not so, the worst of the this bunch is still better than obama by far.
Obama has never seen a social program he would not support; with some one elses money of course
Excuse me but am I the only one who heard Romneycare YESTERDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2011, say the individual mandate is a conservative principle?
Obamacare is looming and you all want to vote for a guy that never said he would repeal Obamacare? He said he would hand out waivers to the states. Not the same as repealing.
I will sit this one out.
If we had different candidates, we’d know all the dirt on them by now. And we wouldn’t be any happier. The reality is that we are a disparate group. No one person is going to satisfy us all.
Quit whining. This is the process we have.
By the way, your first poll above is very skewed. Who could possibly choose the first option:
Yes: I am “completely” satisfied with the existing field of declared Presidential candidates: They are” the best and the brightest” our country has to offer.
Seriously? Of course not. That isn’t a reasonable statement.
But these are the candidates who came forward. They are the ones willing to make the effort, to pay the price, to be dragged through the mud, to have their dirty laundry aired before the world. These are the ones we get to choose from. Everyone else can put up or shut up.
And it hasn’t helped that we started this process WAY TO EARLY. We are all sick to death of it.
So what is wrong with John Huntsman? Everything I have read/heard about him is pretty impressive, but he gets virtually no attention in the media.
I think the biggest issue here in this election is the amount of people looking for the candidate with the most extreme right credentials, and forgetting that we need to nominate someone who is electible, and who can actually govern. Sticking to ideology is fine, but we need to be realistic.
I’m sick to death of the media telling me to vote for the candidate who has the best chance of beating Obama. How about voting for the candidate who most closely matches your principles and convictions? And by the way, Christie is a fiscal conservative, NOT a consistent social conservative. He’s been on both sides of the issues of the 2nd Amendment, Illegal Immigration, and Green House gases. Why he would be on a conservative’s short list is beyond me.
I’m not a social conservative on many issues. Christie’s not perfect, and is not among my preferred picks, but I certainly wouldn’t mind him in the race. He’s a billion times better than Obama.
Couldn’t agree more, Elaine.
Peace Sister (#95) is right on target. This is what we have. To add to her comment, it also hasn’t helped that for all the debates, the GOP chose as moderator some variety of liberal hack moderator who would guarantee that republicans look bad.
The reason why republicans are the stupid party and never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity is that they fold too quickly when accused of being racist or mean-spirited. They can never get their message out to the American people effectively or direct the narrative, instead letting the democrats get in their “throw grandma off a cliff” sound bites that seem to capture the imagination of the public. The republican election strategy in 2012 as in 2008 is to pine for a resurrection of Reagan. Well, there is no second coming of Reagan; not Christie, not Rubio, not Jindal. Meanwhile, the dems are completing the transformation of America any way they can, by any means necessary. The republicans should put an L after their names instead of R – for loser. This is how they act, the biggest loser act was McShame in 2008 looking like a doddering old walking-on-eggshells-to-avoid-being-called-racist fool.
For a better explanation as to how republicans are losing,, check out: http://awolcivilization.com/?p=2181
In Nov I am voting ABO
Anyone
But
Obama
Prior to that I am voting ABR
Anyone
But
Romney
Why is it when a candidate is so beatable the other party sticks their worst possible candidate up for election.
Clinton 1996 – Bob Dole (about as exciting as watching Paint dry)
Bush 2000 – Al Boring, Snoring, Gore (even more boring than Dole)
Bush 2004 – John Kerry, the only man on the planet more boring than Al Gore.
Obama 2008 – We get McCain
Obama 2012 – Romney aka “McCain on steroids” whose only hope of winning is that Obama continues to drive the US out of the ditch and Over the cliff. If Romney wins it is because he will get more independant votes than republican votes and only then because the independants are voting against Obama.
follow the money, bankers have it behind obama as they did with bush.
if obama is relected , you might as well buy all in on gold and silver…because by time hes through
there will be new currency floating around with his likeness.
Zombie I like you a lot but that’s just nonsense.
Whatever baggage any of these candidate have, Obama has the baggage of the worst economy in my lifetime and every voter has that fresh in their memory.
Combine that with the high expectation and a wonder bread factory on fire would be less potential toast than him.
Any and Every single one of these candidates who are running will beat him.
And if you don’t believe me ask Ben Nelson and all the others dems who are running away from him in droves.
As for the others, the first qualification for being president is showing up. All of them have failed that test.
If you don’t want Obama support one of these candidates and fight for him or her.
Fight!
Today on Drudge:
SHOCK POLL: ROMNEY 45% OBAMA 39%
And all the rest is noise produced by the supporters of Obama.
You called Herman Cain “Toast”.
What are you – racist?
No, I’m just bigoted against crunchy things.
zombie, I’m with you. America wasn’t born by a bunch of colonists sitting on their hands lamenting their lack of parliamentary representation and saying “Yeah, the divine right of kings is stupid ‘n’ all, but what are you gonna do?”
I’m sending my coupon to Sarah Palin.
So long as it’s not Ron Paul, I’m going to vote for the GOP candidate, because I would vote for a decomposing monkey’s corpse before I sat back and let Obama be reelected.
But I no longer care about the primary. Pick somebody, I don’t really care who anymore. Nobody worth a damn will be occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave until 2017, which is a lovely thought considering the economic state Europe is in (not to mention ourselves).
As for those you are considering drafting, why vote for them? They are leaving the entire freaking country in a lurch. They may be right on the policies, but they’re not willing to step up to the plate when we really need them. I would have voted for any of them enthusiastically (well, maybe not Palin), but their lack of courage is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
I would like General Petraeus or someone,RESPECTED, who would exert discipline over the runaway government. I don’t know anything about his political views and I do respect him less since he accepted the CIA job. If he is an impossibility, I like Governor Christie but I want him to lose weight. His health may be questionable and he will need a lot of energy.
Bottom line, we need Obama out; so Romney for now. We just gotta deal with it.
After 8 years (4 maybe?) elect a real conservative ticket i.e. West/Palin, West/Ryan, etc.
This will work if we let it. Think ‘Big Picture’ now, ‘Details’ later.
My choice of preferred candidate is Mitch Daniels of Indiana. Straightforward, economics-oriented guy without the social conservative shtick. Too bad family considerations are keeping him out of the race.
Governor Romney’s the guy, not because some Republican ‘Establishment’ or ‘Mafia’ annointed him such, but because he’s done the very hard work of getting out there, raising money, electing Republicans, meeting voters and getting his message out. There’s nothing stopping Governor Christie, Governor Palin or Congressman West from doing the same. In fact I was at a Christie event where he told us he came out early for Mitt because he knows Mitt can win it – he exorted us to go out and fight hard for Mitt, so if you respect Governor Christie then go and do what he is doing and work for Mitt!
The only thing Zombie lists as a substantial negative for Governor Romney is his Mormonism (full disclosure: I’m Mormon) but anti-Mormonism is on the wane and not on the rise, as more Americans meet and hear from Mitt and realize he doesn’t have horns on his head. As for the flip-flopper label, Mitt flipped from socially moderate to socially conservative, as did Ronald Reagan before him. I’m glad President Reagan made that switch and I’m glad Governor Romney did as well. Does anyone honestly think Mitt is going to flop back to socially moderate once he’s in the White House? Why, so he can run for Secretary General of the UN???
Today’s Rasmussen poll has Governor Romney destroying Obama 44% to 39%. This will of course go up and down over the next year but no one can doubt Mitt’s electability based on anything but a misreading of the fairness of the American people, and concerns held mostly by conservatives farthest towards the right wing. We need jobs, jobs and more jobs, not just for America’s sake but for the world. The European zone is on the verge of another recession – Obama’s dithering, idealogue economics doesn’t just screw the American family but families all over the world. This is why we need Mitt Romney now.
Jesse
This article is the first honest thing I’ve heard any Republican say in years. YEARS! Yes, you have no candidates because your party has no ideas. If Democrats insisted on electing only the most radical, dim-bulb leftists (PETA, perhaps?) we’d have no party either. As long as you look to the most radical right-wing nutjobs (Tea Party, anyone) for your own candidates, you will be lost winning only the most racist, ignorant states, while we continue to lead this country into the 21st Century. I wish only that you would have brought back Ms. Palin, as she has already proven herself to be a loser (VP), a quiter (governorship), and a founding member of the lame-stream media (Faux News). Despite her uncanny clairvoyance (I can see Russia from my house!), I can see Obama’s second term from the flip-flopping elastic of Romney’s magic underwear. Obama 2012!
I’m trying to determine if this is satire or you actually managed to create an entire paragraph without one accurate statement or assumption.
Bring it, Stupid. When you finally uncover your shroud of indoctrination and start to look around you at the backward and regressive imbeciles in your midst, come back to discuss our foibles with us. Until then, there are several internet sites you can use to continue with your drivel.
I think the Rep Party candidates have ideas but are simply too afraid to put them forward, preferring to remain “electable” by blowing around like a weather vane. I see this as largely the result of that old friend of ours political correctness, or more succinctly, Marxist Critical Pedagogy.
PC is now so pervasive that you see people repeating its mantras somewhat unthinkingly but as if it’s an original thought they had. It’s hard to cozen buzzwords cast about as original thoughts when they seem so similar to one another; in fact it resembles a herd mentality.
One sees the same tired arguments about the same topics cast about by rote. People don’t seem to be for gay marriage because of an original thought they had about it but because they were told so and furnished with the reasons as well.
Even the poorly thought of hippies of the 60s didn’t say such a tidal wave of almost unanimous stupidity as one hears from the mouths of OWS. Our Rep candidates are in a sense taking up the mantras in the sense that they are very wary of standing up against them. If that is the case, the worst that afflicts America will continue unabated.
A real leader with the fighting spirit, boldness and clearness to stand up to political correctness and limn its harm to America in a clear fashion that might even affect some Dems is no where in sight.
Citizen Folks ,, get a grip on yourself ,, are the Standards ,, that these GOP candidates ,, are Judged by ,,
The SAME for any Dem ,any CEO , any Bureaucrat , any Judge , or any Dog catcher ,,
NO !
The Joke is on you,, do you Know any thing about your (potus) PAST ?? How about his School Records,, Pass port ,, SS numbers ,, Just any thing ??
NO !
Look at your “Media” . For a Clue.
As much as I like Rubio, he has an eligibility problem. Just because Ovomit got around the requirement of 2 citizen parents, I’d much prefer it if the rule of law would be followed as our founders intended. It sickens me to hear so many pundits and talk show hosts act as if this is not a big deal, and offer up Rubio as a possible candidate. The definition of a natural born citizen (as defined in the “Law of Nations” by Vattel, a book sent to Ben Franklin during the drafting of our constitution) used to be widely known. The specific requirement was placed there to prevent the presidency from being “occupied” by one who might have foreign allegiances (as does our current president). In my dreams I see Ovomit and Piglosi tried for high crimes and treason over this breach of law but, in my waking hours, I know it will not happen.
Barack-Hillary in 2012?
Bill Clinton’s old Secretary of Labor, the diminutive Robert Reich with an ego the size of Monica Lewinsky, is predicting a 2012 Democrat Party ticket of Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton to oppose the yet-to-be-designated Republican nominee.
In an article appearing on BusinessInsider.com, Reich concludes, “Obama-Clinton 2012. It’s a natural.”
If that prognostication were not enough to curl conservative hairs, Reich also thinks the bumbler-in-chief, VP Joe Biden, will switch jobs with Hillary and become America’s chief diplomat, Secretary of State, in a second Obama administration.
Alice could not have experienced more bizarre scenarios in that rabbit hole.
Admitting he has no foundation except intuition for his prediction, Reich believes Hillary is needed on the national ticket “to stir the passions” of a disillusioned Democrat base and because “Clinton would help deflect attention from the bad economy and put it on foreign policy, where she and Obama have shined.”
As an added bonus, Hillary would then be on the fast track for the 2016 Dem nomination.
There are more holes in Reich’s theory and in his shining observation than there are on all the golf courses in Hawaii. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=11935.)
You just don’t get it. You seem to think that Romney is everybody’s third- or fourth-best choice, somebody we can all settle for if we can’t get any of the candidates who excite us.
No. We truly can’t stand this dude. Willard Romney gives us the willies. He’s a walking barf bag. As far as I’m concerned, he’s in the same category with Inflatable Scrotum Dude. If Romney becomes the GOP nominee, we’ll go somewhere else to die on a foreign shore. He truly nauseates us.
http://1389blog.com/2011/10/21/gop-reject-mitt-romney-or-lose-everything/
…. If Mr Paul gets the Republican nomination, I would stay home on election day, as, I believe would most voters forced to choose between a fascist and a madman ….
You’re a bit of a slow study, then?
Face with that very choice, I already stayed at home.
In 2008.
…. if things keep going as they are, 0=Zero will be in charge until 2017 ….
Of what?
If 0=Zero stays in charge, there’ll be no 2017.
Huckabee. Why not? Got more votes than mitt in 08, politically smart well liked and can n would win and conservative clean too.
Great thread. I’d probably be fired for spending all morning readin, except I own the company. I’ve been married to an elected local official [Female-R] for 44 years. I have recored EVERY debate [and the adjunct stuff]. Watched and re-watched au-nausia. I taught Public Speaking for 7 years [DCC]. I’m SHOCKED to report IMO, only Newt can carry the day. [My God, did I say that?] Consider – not all that is “horrific” [Newt and the Dred Scott decision 1857] ends badly. Legitimizing slavery scared the hell out of the North and likely contributed to Lincoln’s 1860 success. “The Coming Fury” [Bruce Catton] of 2012 is going to be a 1 billion $$$ Media War, thus Newt’s frequent references to the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Big ideas [even if some are looney] and the VISION of who WE want to be as a country MUST BE the constant message, articulated by our BEST public speaker. This will win the day IMO. Less than this will confuse a generally unfocused electorate. The people and the issues of the day handed Lincoln his “death warrent”, but he saved the Union. I do pray I may live to see this outcome again, whomever the nominee is. Newt and Paul Ryan… dream on Jim.
Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal cannot legally serve as president because (like Obama) they are NOT natural born citizens. They did not have two U.S. citizen parents at the time of their birth.
In 1862, Congressman John Bingham—the “father of the 14th Amendment”—stated, “All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” In 1866 Bingham stated, “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Bingham’s definition was never disputed by other Congressmen. (Unscrupulous Obots—including attorneys filing briefs with the U.S. Supreme Court—have omitted the words “of parents” when quoting Bingham’s statement, in a shameful and intentional effort to mislead.)
In Minor v. Happersett (1875) Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Morrison Remick Waite wrote, “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
The natural born citizen requirement was a part of the constitution when it was adopted in 1789. How does what someone said decades later show what the intention of the framers was in 1789? In any event, Article II section 2 of the Constitution states that POTUS may be either a “natural born citizen” or “a Citizen of the United States”.
Then neither was Chester Alan Arthur. His father was an Irish immigrant who was not naturalized till several years after Chester was born. Some cranks made the same argument against Charles Evans Hughes (Republican candidate in 1916, and later Chief Justice).
Nobody paid attention. Nobody is paying attention now.
If one is born in the territory of the United States, to parents who are not foreign diplomats, one is a native-born citizen of the U.S.
One can also claim birth citizenship as the child of an American citizen, but that must registered or claimed through an embassy before one’s 21st birthday. Or if the parents return to the U.S., that settles it also. This came up in the case of General George Meade, the victor of Gettyburg, who was touted as a Presidential candidate, even though he was born while his parents were in Spain; and in the case of Governor George Romney of Michigan, a candidate for the nomination in 1968, who was born while his parents were in Mexico.
Obama, for all his other grave flaws, is a native-born (or natural-born) citizen.
Sarah Palin leads this poll?, what are all of you freaking crazy? Time to apply for Canadian citizenship now if little miss princess jumped in the race. Not.a.chance.
I think Christie, Ryan, Rubio et al are right about themselves when they say they are not ready. Not a one of them that I think is an excellent candidate. Although I suppose I’d *prefer* any one of the three to any of the current candidates.
I will vote for Gingrich or Romney over Obambus. I agree that I would not vote if the choice were LuapNor or Obambus, or I’d vote for some third-party candidate.
Which brings us to …… Donald Trump. If all of the above candidates have good points and bad, so does The Donald – the greatest being that he is not even a politician. Yet, he does seem to “get” the economic issues, which I do NOT believe is true of ANY of the Republicans named in your post. If Trump were really smart, he would not run himself but recruit better candidates, maybe a bipartisan ticket, and run that against the world. Maybe recruit Zombie as head of the new party’s communications corpse.
Well, maybe not. The real problem is I cannot name man, woman, or child who I would most prefer to be president in 2012. Sir Lancelot rode in on a white horse, but even he didn’t turn out so well. So my hope is that Romney or Gingrich will get the nomination and somehow win, though I barely prefer either or both to Obambus, and that they will do better in office than we have any right to expect. Hoorah.
I’m somewhat more positive about Gingrich than you are Z, as an individual and regarding his possibility of winning the general. Or if we have to lose, I suppose we could do worse than to lose with him. Romney was my hold-the-nose-and-take-your-medicine candidate in 2008, but I like him somewhat less today. Still, maybe he’d be OK in office, at least not a 99% disaster like we have today.
(I give Obambus 1% for his use of drones, and getting bin Laden)
He got Osama?? I think he was either on the golf course or at a dinner getting money for his war chest, when heroes risked their lives to get bin Laden. He had NOTHING!, NOTHING! to do with it. But even worse than that, if it were his choice, we’d never have had the info that led us to him.
The drones were conceived by, financed by, built by and flown by the military industrial structure that protects us, which he loathes.
That would take you down from 1% to zero I hope.
He had to say yes, or at least not to say no. That’s worth half of 1%. Ditto on the drones. I concede all the rest of your points.
Excellent article and I loved the polls. Like minds!
I remember this quote from HA. I agreed with that also.
Zombie:
I think Romney will move right if he’s not there already. He sees the handwriting on the wall and I think his positive message about America in contrast to Obama’s negative view will reverberate with the electorate. A solid win would open the floodgates of capital expenditure and job creation. His taking this opportunity to put America back in its rightful and respected place among nations could make him as great and memorable a President as Reagan was.
Would a Mitt Romney-Marco Rubio ticket interest you? Or a Mitt Romney-Nikki Haley ticket?? Both are smart, articulate, young Conservative leaders. If this worked, we’d have a conservative in the White House for the next 4 presidential elections. If they followed conservative, small government, free market principles and put America back on the right track we might just save this precious country which we hold in trust for future generations
I think either one, my personal preference is Rubio, would cinch a win.
Your thoughts?
Alan Keyes for President. Alan Keyes Picks his VP
I find this article disturbing. Zombie, you don’t post under your own name. Some of the things you write about are controversial, so I think you don’t want people going after you.
The people who are now running are using their real names, and the opposition and their “conservative” opponents are using every means they have to trash them. No detail is too small or too long ago to be brought up and dangled in the headlines.
There is no person on this planet who could not be made to seem unworthy of political office if someone could selectively choose all the mistakes that he or she has made over a lifetime. From your perch of superiority, you casually dismiss people who have campaigned and worked long and hard with a sentence. And basically, I see you following the msm’s talking points.
I am a senior citizen. I have lived for twenty-five years in New York City, and almost thirty years in Texas. Massachusetts isn’t very different from New York. I would never want to go back to New York or live in Massachusetts. California, where I think you live, is a mess. I know of somone who just moved there because there are better benefits in California than in Texas. No place is perfect, but people are moving to Texas.
Please judge people by their entire record, not msm talking points.
With a majority of Americans engulfed in unprecedented pessimism and gloom believing that America’s best days are past Barack Obama can’t run against himself and win.
I sorely miss Herman Cain in this race. But the smear campaign and media stalking of his family got to be too much. I firmly beleive he was victim of high tech lynching and unlike Newt who was caught. There is no evidence of wrong doing.
This poll skews the outcome with its slanted questions. For most of us do have our own preferences in the current runners. We may just be upset that our choice isn’t getting the recognition that the RHINO candidates are. Hopefully this will begin to turn around and we will see our preferred “Smaller Government”candidates get traction in the polls involving real voters. It has become too late for other candidates to step in the race and I respect the decisions of the conservatives that have decided they aren’t ready to make that leap for this presidential election. Anyone that becomes President has locked themselves and their families into a lifetime of being dogged by Secrete Service and the liberal media. I couldn’t do that to my family and ruin their chances for a normal life.
Tell me about AW’s baggage. If it is the military incident, who needs a wimpy soldier? I’m with Zombie and am doing my best to convince AW to join the race.
I can’t fathom why the author of this poll would include RINO Chris Christie who, among other things, appointed a Muslim with ties to Hamas who support Sharia Law as a judge. No way would Allen West accept Christie on his ticket.
I prefer John Bolton.
He knows foreign policy, the law, and he isn’t likely to have pet theories on the economy or social policy.
List in order of desirability:
1 John Bolton
2 Alan West
3 Norm Coleman
List of probable candidates in order of desirability:
1 Mitt Romney
2 Newt Gingrich
3 Anybody but Ron Paul
“will still be president on January 19, 1917″
I had already reached this conclusion before the end of the fourth debate. Only one action can prevent it: a DARK HORSE must be drafted. How about T.J. Rodgers? If we can’t get him, then either one of the Koch brothers.
other: Alan Keyes
The spectacle of the conservative communist who has decided communism with its social corruption is okay, but its economics are wrong boggles the imagination. The Republican party should be flood with conservatives–and they are conservatives–who wish to conserve the disco era of McGovern and Carter. Such conservatives should eject from the Republican party all, well, Republicans (as Communists have replaced Democrats), so that the American political parties represent subservient Socialism and Communism.