The New Free Speech Movement
Today is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day, a completely made-up satirical “holiday” dedicated to the concept of drawing Mohammed cartoons, as a way of making a statement about freedom of speech.
Not everyone agrees with this idea, however. And I’m not just talking about the expected naysayers — that is, fundamentalist Muslims (who demand that no one be allowed to depict their prophet) and progressive multiculturalists (who run interference for fundamentalist Muslims by insisting that we all obey Islamic demands or risk being branded as racists).
No, even some level-headed conservative-leaning pundits have begun to cast aspersions on this whole Mohammed cartoon thing. Most notable among them is J.E. Dyer, whose recent article posted at HotAir entitled “Provocation isn’t the highest form of free speech” made the argument that mocking Mohammed is basically pointless “provocation” and that, although provocative speech is protected, it is the embarrassing stepchild of the noble, high-toned political speech imagined by our forefathers, and as such should be avoided lest we come off as brutes and rubes. To quote the key passage of Dyer’s thesis,
The right to offend others is something that gets a pass because of the good that comes from the better, higher, more important right to make our own philosophical decisions. The right to be deliberately offensive is a parasite, not a first principle.
I disagree. Strongly. And I’ll tell you why.
Who Decides What Is Provocative?
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| Protesters in Pakistan yesterday, angry about the Everybody Draw Mohammed Day Facebook page |
This is not an argument over the right to be “provocative” or “offensive”; rather, it is something much more significant — an argument over who gets to determine what counts as provocative or offensive in the first place. The Western world dragged itself out of the church-dominated Dark Ages and into the Enlightenment in part over this precise issue: the freedom to engage in speech and actions which formerly had been classified as the crime known as “blasphemy.” It seems such a trivial and quaint issue in retrospect, and hardly worthy of note from our hyper-secularized 21st-century perspective, but tell that to the millions of people who for centuries lived under the yoke of governments which used accusations of blasphemy and other religious misbehaviors as a primary tool of tyranny and oppression. The modern world dawned with the American and French Revolutions and the emergence of the explicitly secular state — the Americans rejecting the Church of England as Britain’s legally enforced national religion, and the French shrugging off centuries of acquiescence to domination by the Catholic Church in civil affairs. In both cases, new governmental paradigms were established in which there was an inviolable separation of church and state, which in practice meant no civil laws enforcing religious doctrines and (most importantly for our discussion) no laws against blasphemy.
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| The original “Draw Winky” ad from a 1971 comic book |
We’re now so accustomed to this liberated society that we have all but forgotten how horrible it was in the Bad Old Days before our Founding Fathers (wipes away tear) created a safe haven for the human mind, a place called the United States of America. The laws and punishments of the Puritans and of the Spanish Inquisition and all the rest were decisively and emphatically swept off the table and replaced with a simple principle: personal freedom. Freedom of conscience, freedom of thought, and freedom of speech.
Everybody Expects the Islamic Inquisition
Well, the Spanish Inquisition may be a distant memory now relegated to Monty Python skits, but the self-appointed Islamic Inquisition is threatening to take its place. Remember that the Spanish Inquisition (and the much larger papal inquisition which preceded it) existed for the purpose of enforcing religious dictates on the general populace, including and especially religious crimes such as heresy, blasphemy, and apostasy. Punishment for these deeds could be severe and often as not included torture or execution. This is exactly what the Islamic fundamentalists want to impose on us in the 21st century: Obedience to religious dictates, enforced where necessary by violence.
Luckily, outside of a few Middle Eastern countries, the Islamists do not have the power to enforce their hellish vision of society. But that doesn’t stop them from trying. Where they can’t impose their religious rules by force, they try to impose them by fear and intimidation. Since we have our freedoms permanently etched into our Constitution, the Islamists are going to have little luck getting blasphemy laws passed in the U.S. Yet they can achieve the same result if they can use terror to bring about our own self-censorship. Which is exactly what they have set about doing, the most recent round starting with the murder of Theo Van Gogh in 2004 and reaching the boiling point with the Danish Cartoon Controversy in 2006. The pot hasn’t stopped boiling since. The Islamists’ strategy is to kill, or threaten to kill, anyone who gets media attention for “disrespecting” Islam or Mohammed — thereby convincing the rest of us infidels to remain silent if we know what’s good for us.
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| Updated 2010 version of “Draw Winky” (parody by buzzsawmonkey) |
And here we come to the crux of the matter. Which side in this conflict gets to determine what counts as “disrespectful” (a contemporary euphemism for “blasphemous”)? In the jihadists’ view, any depiction of Mohammed — even a positive or honorific depiction — is deemed blasphemous. It’s our religion, they say, so we get to say what’s offensive. Yet if we grant them this inch, they’ll take another inch (it’s also disrespectful to write Mohammed’s name without a worshipful “PBUH” after it), and another inch (it’s disrespectful to criticize Islam in any way), and before long it’s the whole mile, and we once again will be living in an intellectual Middle Ages in which religious tyrants dictate our every thought and action.
So you can see the urge of every sane-minded Westerner to say a hearty Fuck you! to anyone who tries to erode away the bedrock of our free society. The more insistent (and violent) these attempts at erosion, the less civil the resistance will become. Which is exactly as it should be. If the Islamists want us to to stop mocking (or even questioning) Mohammed, they can achieve this goal quite simply: Just go away and leave us alone. Don’t bother us, and we won’t bother you. Seriously, 99% of non-Muslims don’t give a good goddamn about Mohammed one way or the other, and we’d gladly ignore him and his followers until the end of time – if they’d just stop trying to boss us around. But if someone comes to our safe haven and tries to impose a repressive or restrictive rule on us, then that is the exact rule we’re going to flout until the interlopers learn their lesson: We don’t take kindly to bullshit medieval religious oppression in these parts.
And so we return to J.E. Dyer’s essay, where she essentially argues that freedom of speech is simply the vehicle through which we can express our political ideals without fear of reprisal. While that may be true, it leaves out the final piece of the puzzle: Freedom of speech itself is our highest political ideal. We need freedom of speech not merely so we can discuss Aristotle and the Teapot Dome Scandal and non-proliferation treaties, but more importantly we need freedom of speech so we can defend the unconditional right of freedom to speak — or think, or draw, for that matter. As soon as someone comes along and says (as Dyer does) that some forms of speech are “better” or “higher” than others, the implication is that the low-class expressions are somehow less worthy of defending. But that way lies the road to ruin. We would soon begin to slide down what I call Niemöller’s Slippery Slope, which in this instance would begin, “First they came for the cartoonists….”
It is precisely the most offensive speech which needs to be defended, because that is the only speech which ever gets challenged in the first place. If we cave in on this seemingly trivial issue, we have already lost.
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| Mario Savio in 1964 helped launch the Free Speech Movement into national consciousness by climbing atop a police car at U.C. Berkeley and denouncing campus rules which prohibited political speech |
The New Free Speech Movement
And it is often on the most trivial of points that history pivots. Take, for example, the original Free Speech Movement of the mid-1960s, which was the fuse that ignited the social transformations in the second half of that decade. At first, the initial dispute was over something as ridiculous as which student groups were allowed to have a literature table on U.C. Berkeley’s Sproul Plaza, and whether or not the sidewalk bordering the campus counted as university property (where leafletting would be banned) or city property (where it would be allowed). Hardly something worth getting worked up over. But the students pressed the issue, and pressed, and eventually an utterly trivial local dispute became a not-so-trivial local dispute, and when the University caved in, it opened the floodgates to student activism and social upheaval first at Berkeley and eventually across the nation (and world, for that matter).
I posit that this cartoon fiasco may look as trivial now as did the silly Berkeley sidewalk dispute back in 1964, but it could very well morph into a new Free Speech Movement which could affect the course of history just as much as did the first one.
The Mohammed cartoons — whether they appear in a Danish newspaper, on South Park, on Everybody Draw Mohammed Day, or anywhere else, are basically our way of saying, Bring it on. They are an intentional goading to accelerate the inevitable clash of civilizations: totalitarianism vs. democracy, religion vs. secularism, repression vs. freedom, Islam vs. the liberal West — choose your definitions. It’s coming, whether we like it or not. And it’s quite apparent to the Mohammed cartoonists and their supporters that, currently, Team Islam does not have the tools to win. Philosophically, militarily, financially, analytically, morally and in just about every other way they have a losing hand. But the crazy part is, they don’t seem to realize it quite yet. So, from a strategic standpoint, if your opponent is overconfident and bound to lose yet still itching for a fight, it’s best to let him engage now and get defeated, than wait for some future day of conflict where the outcome may be in doubt.
Islamic extremists still seem to think that banning Facebook or threatening to kill the Everybody Draw Mohammed Day organizers will somehow make the problem of blasphemy go away. They don’t yet understand that we in the West have spent the last 600 years not merely earning the right to be blasphemous, but more importantly creating a society and a worldview in which there is no such thing as blasphemy, because all forms of speech are permitted and religious bullies no longer get to determine what is forbidden.
Now get out your pencils and start drawing.
UPDATE
Over the last few hours I’ve received an avalanche of Mohammed cartoon submissions in response to the Everybody Draw Mohammed Day “contest.” And even though it isn’t a real contest (and even if it was a competition I am not the organizer nor any kind of “judge”), I did just receive a submission which stands out as far and away the most eye-catching of the bunch. If I was a judge, this Mohammed cartoon, by an anonymous artist who wishes to go by the name “Tad Pole,” is currently my favorite to be deemed the “winner” of today’s Draw Mohammed contest:











I’d like to have this entire essay inscribed verbatim on a stone tablet and left somewhere easily findable so that future archaeologists will know that we at least TRIED to stave off the end of civilization.
hahah I was thinking the exact same thing
yeah; and why can’t we take all the warmongers on every level and send them to colonize the moon? Everyone would be happier.
Sorry to commentjack, but i wanted to tell people that we are still publishing cartoons if you still send them. come to: http://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/
Strike a blow for freedom, share some of Matt and Trey’s risk, and offend a terrorist today!
just wanna you know, kafirullah (all of you) are going to be weak in the end of day !!
hi drawer, fuck you, kiss my ass bastard.
JESSUS MUTHA FUCKA
Hey Mr. I thought you believe Jesus was a prophet, that looks like disrespect to a prophet to me, does that mean you are going to have a jihad against yourself?
WE are going to be “weak in the end of the day”?
It is you who are weak — so pathetically weak that you cannot tolerate someone drawing a picture of your ridiculous “prophet”. You suffer the worst sort of weakness — the weakness of mind that cannot deal with those who disagree with your barbaric 6th century superstitions.
Crawl back into your cave.
Good going. Issa (Jesus) is a prophet in Islam himself (just not the “seal of the Prophets”), and now you insult him yourself.
With “I am moslem” like you, who needs the kufar?
The real question is, does the world really need 6th century throwbacks with double digit IQs like yourself. We kufar are doing great without the likes of your infecting our society with your idiotic, retarded blather about a child molesting thieving cutthroat moron named mohammad. It’s no wonder why he wants his idiotic dolts to go around killing for him. He was always too much of a pussy in life and in death to do it himself.
And while i’m at it, here is a nice video about mohammad:
http://www.zipperfish.com/zf-toons/yaafm-12-muslims/
Enjoy you muslim morons.
great hyperlink!
Hilarious link
The AD 600′s is the SEVENTH century, not the sixth. The AD 500′s is the SIXTH century; 400′s the fifth; 300′s the fourth; 200′s the third; 100′s the second; from 1 to 100 the FIRST. Get the counting?
Issa is *A* prophet, promised to be SECOND to mohammad, in Islam. A simple matter of artistic license for Mo when he was writing his ‘scriptures’.
Only problem is, Christians are stuck with a scripture that says every knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Christianity cannot accommodate Islam’s effort to put Jesus in second place. He is first, last, always, the alpha, the omega, the beginning and the end, he was God and with God before there was a universe… it’s all in the Book.
Mohammed admired Christianity for the faithfulness and strength of belief of its people, and he wanted that strength in his OWN armies… so he ‘folded in’ Judeo Christianity, Musa and Ibrahim and all the rest. It was partially successful, but for bible and Torah readers it is painfully obvious what he was trying to do. And painfully impossible for real Christians and Jews to ‘submit’ to Islam.
This is an ongoing process. I looked up Falun Gong one day on wiki and lo and behold they claim to encompass and enclose all previous faiths including Buddhist and Christianity. Who’s got the biggest carpetbag? – that’s religion.
it raises the point that every religion is blasphemous to at least one other. And for purposes of the discussion of freedom of religion, i treat atheism just like a religious belief, even though its technically disbelief. So a no-blasphemy rule makes freedom of religion impossible.
Right on dude! Now you’re getting with the program. Screw Mohammad up the backside, eh? I hear he liked it in that manner, by the way.
Say dude…I wipe your beard (and Mohammed’s) on my shoe.
BTW, I have nice bacon sandwich for you…
Finally, who is Jessus? Dumbass.
Go back to your sandy crap hole and have a crappier day.
Porky Pig is still speaks better than you…you swine.
your are what you speak.. and surely you ment ‘kiss my bastard ass”… or kiss the mohammad bastard ass..
All right, Anne. You didn’t mean “ment.” You did mean “meant.” It’s something of a debacle to correct someone and, in doing so, make a bad mistake oneself.
Mock Jesus all you want. It changes nothing about Jesus. Nor does it change the faith of those who follow Jesus.
Too bad you Mo’ boyz have so little confidence or faith in your prophet.
Spot on! It doesn’t say much about a relegion if it’s followers have to murder to assuage their insecurities. How fragile must li’l Mo be if the smirking of us ‘inferior kufar’ is such a deadly threat.
Go ask the Japanese and the Germans about how weak Americans are. And while you’re at it, ask yourself: If Americans are weak, how come wherever our Military shows up, we whip your sorry butts and what does that make you and your sorry pedophile prophet?
That’s not very nice. You need a great big hug, maybe from a guy in a bear suit. Better yet – a real bear.
Here is another example of moon god worship.
BZO, or Die!
That’s Mr. Kafirullah, to you.
Bring it on you illiterate, goat licking, neanderthal scum sucking barbaric sole of my left foot. Oh…and to your fellow 7th century dipshits….bring it on. I can say with some confidence that you twerps have pushed all the wrong buttons. I’d start wearing a burka if I were you….mudhammad.
Indeed…you are a MUD Slime….Bring it on you illiterate, goat licking, neanderthal scum sucking barbaric sole of my left foot. Oh…and to your fellow 7th century dipshits….bring it on. I can say with some confidence that you twerps have pushed all the wrong buttons. I’d start wearing a burka if I were you….mudhammad.
wow, you don’t kiss your mother with that mouth do you?? LMAO!!!
The “I AM MOSLEM” post seems hokey to me.
I ain’t buyin’ it.
Seems more like a preposterous bit of satire in and of itself. lol
Mohammad is dead. Therefore he is incapable of being insulted, embarassed, or offended by depictions of himself, insulting or otherwise. Muslims of the world, realize that you only succeed in fulfilling the most offensive stereotypes of Muslims when you behave like this, you demonstrate your utter primitiveness and savagry. You do not intimidate those of us who matter. Sure, there are plenty of spineless craven idiots here in the West just as there are as many throwback knuckle dragging unbathed savages in the land of Islam.
As a veteran, a phrase from my military service comes to mind: “Take care of your own”. When a member of our military unit did something to bring dishonor on us, we took care of the problem, and we left it to others to deal with their own embarassments. Before you muslims start demanding we who are not muslim comply with your standards, you need to start demanding that your fellow muslims comply with your standards. That starts with policing them, jailing and otherwise punishing those who seek to kill innocents in the name of Allah.
You muslims need to realize that if you keep this crap up, trying to impose your standards on us, eventually we will reciprocate. Ann Coulter’s suggestion that we christianize all of you forcibly becomes more attractive the more barbaric you all behave. And yeah, we have the nukes and you don’t. We’re also the only ones who have ever used nukes. Keep it up, we may decide to use them again.
Mr. Brain, these “slaves of God” may be thinking that with our present Cinc, they can get away with their bluster. But I am thinking that the spirit of Old Hickory is stirring in the land. Despite the oil under Araby’s forsaken sands, these worshipers of the black stone may soon find themselves on the Trail of Tears. Dramatic removals have happened before. The next one will be justified.
Thank Allah European Americans will be safely living on Alpha Centauri while forward thinking muslims are just figuring out how to reverse engineer a tool socket set they found at “Mohamed’s Flea Market and Pork Chop Sandwich Emporium”.
Also, you have to cut off one of your noses for the ‘Jesus’ remark.(Or the goat equivalent)
Actually Mohammad did the fucking…marrying a 9 year old girl and consumating it when she was 12.
Anybody who is against Draw Mohammed Day does not understand the magnitude of the threat we face, nor do they understand the political effectiveness of ridicule.
How funny would it be if all your readers were to print off the .GIF picture, draw their version of the Baby Raper and mail it to the largest mosque in Dearbonistan? If they want to be outraged let’s give them something to get really outraged about.
Hey, my site is participating too and truly no talent is necessary. As long as you depict Mohammed and it is not actually porn, I will publish it, regardless of whether it is offensive (beyond depicting Mohammed) or not, and whether it is good or not. Seriously, we will publish any crud. The will tremble before our Dreaded Stick Figures of Blasphemy!
So if you are inclined, or facebook suddenly acts like tools, come here and submit. http://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/
Or just enjoy some pictures.
They may not be pretty as art, but they are beautiful as a defense of freedom of expression.
Aaron
I’ve already heard that Facebook has been intermittently “turning off” the EDMD page.
Actually the page has been taken down entirely, and Facebook, spineless cowards that they are, are claiming they had nothing to do with it. Now the camel drivers in Karachi get to feel self important and victorious and we in the west are pissed at nobody in particular even if we’re pretty sure Facebook is responsible. Of course, absolutely nobody will cancel their facebook accounts in protest, nobody will demand their rights to free speech under Marsh vs Alabama, and American corporations will continue to trample the rights of American citizens in craven displays of submission to foreign tyrants.
To quote the Japanese on South Park, “FUKU U COW, FUKU U CHEEEKUNS!” Let the finger pointing begin.
It is rather lame to use to use sites like facebook in the first place. It kind of defeats the whole decentralization idea of the internet. Run your own blog, and if the whole world tries to view it (swamping your laptop server), use Coral Cache http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Content_Distribution_Network instead of direct links. If you do decide to pursue this, Windows is not the best OS to be using. (Facebook integrates a number of formerly decentralized applications like chat, newsgroup, mailing list and blog. That is handy, but not handy enough to justify the loss of freedom.)
Actually one of the Facebook page creators had their email/skype hacked, and he was afraid, so took the page down. The other page originators have now put it back up.
Hey, it is 2155 EDT – and the site is up and commenting on Facebook…
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammad-Day-May-20th-2010/120352401315688?ref=ts&v=wall
It is not nearly as English illiterate as an earlier faux posting on here.
For some reason, too, the Muslims I know from areas such as Bangladesh and Indonesia are not nearly as hate-filled as those from the ME; maybe it is the water? Or the political motivation to keep the peons indoctrinated in strife so that they won’t notice so much that it is the leaders that are sucking off all the country’s money? I mean, Yassar Arafat’s widow didn’t buy that huge Paris apartment on her widow’s benefit form the PLO, do you think?
“They will tremble before our stick figures of blasphemy” This is where they lose; either they cave, or they become the object of ridicule.
Jeanette,
Exactly right. This is going on my blog somewhere.
Agree but its a big fight since Holder can’t bring himself to say ‘radical islam’ might be a motive for terrorism even tho the terrorists themselves surely agree (altho they would leave off the adjective ‘radical’).
Good work Zombie, and all points were valid, especially the comment on the inevitable clashing that is to occur.
-Hell, might as well speed it up and get it over with!
It appears (as of approx. 7:50 AM EDT) that Facebook just caved in and shut down the Everybody Draw Mohammed page. I don’t know, Appeasementbook doesn’t have the same ring to it.
Just draw your Mohammed cartoon on a US flag, them burn it. Liberals and the ACLU would then laud you for having the courage the express your civil liberties and “free speech”.
Do that and you may just be up for a NEA grant. Everybody wins!
Forget the Mohammed cartoons, when are Americans going to start writing letters to the editor encouraging people to read the pretty clear history of Mohammed being a caravan raider and a man of violence who had people assassinated and who consummated his “marriage” to 10 year old Aisha? All historical facts are available by simply Googling the topics – the leftist denialist garbage and “cultural relativism” spew notwithstanding.
I believe that Aiesha was 9, not 10. In either case, Mo wanted a child bride, not a grown, thinking woman.
Dear #2: (I can call you #2, can’t I? It fits you so well.)
Mohammad should have asked the “Angel” “Gabriel” for some I.D.
*My* people were warned against false prophets 600 years before Mohammad was born.
Sucks to be you.
The Facebook page for the event is gone. Pathetic. Does no one have the balls to stand up to these seething, half-wit bullies?
Sure, just nobody who works at major media corporations because only the most back stabbing, spineless craven pussies have the moral decrepitude to rise to the top of such cesspools. See, people go into journalism and the media in general in order to avoid military service while still being able to SEE wars, and claim to be “veterans” of wars, but realize that being a medic to avoid carrying a rifle is MORE likely to get you shot, not less, and running off to Canada isn’t politically feasible or acceptable if one wants to receive one’s trust funds from grandad. They are the very last people you should count on to stand up to thugs.
For all of us with no drawing skills I offer, ASCII Mohammed smiley:
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Feel free post it today and spread the blasphemy.
Here’s my attempt, stolen from above:
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I gave him a longer beard. I also did this on a napkin, but haven’t posted it.
Here’s the HTML version: mohamed
You missed the easy turban: @
So Mohammed is @>:^(>
Hey they’re all pretty good.
Here’s mine
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to #2: Welcome to America. May I offer you a pencil?
I draw Mohammed here:
clickety click
Tim Murphy, Facebook has it back up again. I noticed the same thing. It looks like they’re having an internal discussion at Facebook. Pray that the rationalists win and that Everybody Draw Mohammed Day comes back up.
Facebook is just the latest in a long line of corporatist / cryptofascist tools of control aka the engineering of consent. Using it is the first step in self-enslavement. Blogs are genuinely as close to home printing presses seventeenth century style as we’re going to get in this day and age.
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To “I Am a Moslem”
Yes indeed you are. Your language shamed you.
Everyone around you shames you.
I reject the notion that the cartoon rage had anything at all to do with religion. Remember the original cartoons by westerners were not enough to upset Muslims. The lying “imams” had to make up their own cartoons (along with false stories of oppression) to get anybody upset. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmFlOTZmNzcxZmYwNTUxMzQzMjY5OTVhZWFjNTI1Mjc=
“It is nothing less than amazing that holy men decrying the desecration of their religion would create such foul images, but there you have it. It is as if the pope created “Piss Christ” and then passed it off as the work of critics of Catholicism.”
In Afghanistan, the local clerics called off their protests of the cartoons, when they found out that their demonstrations had been hijacked by people of ill will. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/08/AR2006020802296.html
If Mohammed were here today, he would approve of the contest.
Thanks Valerie for reminding us of that key point –i live in the M E and remember how one of those imams stirred up Egyptians precisely in that way. Hmm a point on which Americans left & right can agree…!? I mean something in the NR a liberal like me can agree with is amazing.
“If Mohammed were here today, he would approve of the contest.”
I doubt that very much, Valerie.
Had modern civilization never supplied arms to these primitives, they would still be playing in their sandboxes. Giving them weapons was the equivalant of going back in time and arming the Crusaders with modern military equipment. So, in a sense, we have brought this on ourselves. I am content to allow them to practive their pagan rituals in their sandbox until they mature a bit, but they don’t seem to be content with that. No one is forcing them to watch tv, read certain newspapers, view certain websites, but they want to dictate what is printed or broadcast? Everyone has the right to believe in an imaginary invisible friend, whether it is Muhammad, Buddha, God, or Santa Claus (I prefer Santa because I don’t have to bow and pray to him, I simply behave and he brings me gifts). But, when their fantasy world infringes on my rights, it is time to draw a line…or in this case to draw Muhammad. Happy “Draw Muhammad Day!”
Would someone PLEASE get fusion power perfected so we can stop buying oil from these ignorant savages, so they’ll be unable to afford to fly here anymore, and will spend their lives in their tents screwing their sons and beating their camels like they used to back in the good old glory days?
Great job, Zombie. Here is a photo essay for Everybody Draw Mohammed Day with plenty of images, and links to different sites that are posting peoples drawings: http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2010/05/cartoons-to-die-for-2/
#2, all I have to say is…patheticaly weak! You guys must be quaking in your jammies.
That give me a warm feeling in that special place. You know the place. The one where you find that dung heap that replaced your mind.
Just an observation (I may be incorrect):
Don’t the “crimes or sins” blasphemy and apostasy belong soley to the practitioners of their religion?
In other words, a Catholic can blaspheme against God, but not against (for example) Allah or Vishnu.
Therefore don’t the attempts to restrict anything relating to Islam become meaningless?
Also, I don’t remember any killings related to the art(?) called “Piss Christ” or the Madonna made of dung a few years ago. Protests, yes. Complaints, yes. Killings? NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!!!!
As I can remember, no one seriously called for those images to be banned or the artists punished. Certainly some devout Christians, and especially devout Catholics, wished the pieces to be removed from public view because they found them offensive. Others had a problem with their tax dollars going to subsidize museums or the NEA or other organizations that display such art work. (For that matter, so do I.) That’s their right – but it doesn’t oblige anyone to cave in to their demands.
In a way, making art like Piss Christ or a dung Madonna is an abuse of our freedom of speech. So is Everybody Draw Mohammed day. Such a precious right, yet we waste it on such disgusting, trivial things. However, like the author says, if we start picking and choosing which speech is “worthy” of this freedom, we’ll eventually lose it altogether. It’s safer, in the long run, if NOBODY gets to decide what’s offensive and what’s not.
Bugs,
Thank you for an interesting and polite reply. While I agree that this particular issue is minor in the great scheme of things, I would remind you of incrementalism.
This is the methodology of acheiving your ends by a number of (seemingly) harmless steps that end up far away from the original source.
For example:smoking was first restricted to one small area of a restaurant, then (small step) the entire restaurant, then (small step) to restrict it within “X” number of feet from the door, and now there is discussion of forbidding it at all outdoor events.
I’m sure other such things will come to mind.
Restricting some free speech is like being “a little pregnant”. It just won’t last.
Mark Twain said, “I never particularly wanted a drink until someone said I couldn’t.
I never wanted to draw Mahomet until someone told me I couldn’t.
I never wanted to do the WTC until someone told me it was impossible…
Bravo to you Zombie!!
It’s way past time to put these barbaric, 6th century fanatics in their place.
This ZOMBIE has brains!
ahh…B R A I N S…!
Enjoy posting your contributions, everyone!
Zombie, you ROCK! Your post is brilliant. And I love your Mo Archive.
Everyone should draw the paedophile, torturer and murderer of Arabia.
1st attempt…
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“My name is Mohammed, and I approved this message.”
The explodo-mo!
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Muhammad’s home address not so secret anymore!
Although no mention of this was made in the mainstream media, two weeks ago, I received an email from a group of radical Islamic extremists who recently had forcibly been exposed to a kind of deep intervention.
Approximately three months ago, about 45 American Muslim friends and family of said extremists, under the guise they were hatching a terrorist plot, had sent these ten men plane tickets to the United States, and met them at LAX with a group of highly trained interventionists who whisked them off to Fullerton, California; to a house on E. Chaptman Ave., just down the street from the old Alpha Beta Supermarket. There, the ten trained radical Islamics were held for three months, and like thirsty men without water in a desert, drunk in the teachings of Christianity. They went through thorough explanations why they have nothing to fear from the United States. Why making holy war on the United States is utterly without purpose and reason. But, most importantly, why living by Christianity’s golden rule (do unto others as you would like them to do unto you) opens doors of understanding, peace and good will.
Happily, learning about Christianity, these ten former radical Islamic fundamentalists emerged as changed men, no longer willing sacrifice themselves for a cause without purpose and meaning, no longer following the teachings of the Koran, no longer men with hate in their hearts.
Following this metamorphosis, these former ten, high ranking, radical Islamics woke up one fine California morning having been up the entire night, concocting a pact, dedicating themselves to bringing salvation back, not just to other radical followers of Islam, but to the Grand Poobah, himself, the grand Ham as he is called in South Orange, NJ. They agreed to bring the New Found Word to Muhammad himself.
Now, I should interject at this point, that it’s been conjectured for years that Muhammad was in fact a living, breathing and taking in all the night life of West Los Angeles, which is a belief that was confirmed by these high ranking former followers, one of whom even was in possession of Muhammad’s home address, which coincidentally was less than a half mile from the famous “Magic Castle,” one of LA’s favorite tourist haunts. It was only a week and a half ago that they broke down the door at that address and found Muhammad in his undershorts watching “24″, the episode where the President goes to the dark side and tells Chloe to hunt down Jack Bauer who’s out to prove that the Russians were behind the hit on President Hassan, and Jack’s girl friend.
Needless, to say, Muhammad was taken by surprise, but as soon as his wits returned Muhammad castigated his former followers for succumbing to the intervention, chastising them with the words, “This will ruin everything. Not only did you forsake your religion, but you’ve blown my cover. And now I’m missing, “24″. (to be continued)
Way to go, Zombie! This is the most lucid and compelling argument for having an Everybody Draw Mohammed Day I’ve read so far.
I connot believe the number of people who are willing to throw the 1st Amendment to the wind. It’s absolutely appalling.
Here is my contribution to Everyone Draw Mohammed Day. I cannot draw for shit, so I made a collage and took a photo.
http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/everybody-draw-mohammed-day/
Bravo, Sean. Many thanks for the laugh!
STINKYYYYYYYY
If I could give this post a standing ovation I would. Well said sir! Well said and rightly so!
I made a muhammad sculpture this morning, but my wife didn’t appreciate me leaving it there and flushed it away.
ROLF now that’s funny!
I have the best Mo drawing.
Here he is: ~
The Western world dragged itself out of the church-dominated Dark Ages and into the Enlightenment in part over this precise issue: the freedom to engage in speech and actions which formerly had been classified as the crime known as “blasphemy.”
Yeah. And somehow, we’re the only country in the world involved in two simultaneous military occupations that have killed tens of thousands. Hurray for us. I’m so glad we’re not those nasty muslims threatening people with death when they do things that we don’t like; its so much cooler being the USA, where we actually DO KILL PEOPLE by the thousands when they do things we don’t like.
Oh, too real for you? You’re right. Just hide in here diddling with your bellybutton about fantasy fears that allow you to express your bitterness and bigotry. Wouldn’t want you to actually think or anything.
You are delusional. For a “Principal”, you surely lack principle.
You know Principal Levine, when these people that you defend, take over, you’ll probably be one of the first ones to have your head separated from your body. I wonder if you’ll still be defending these barbarians as they put the dull blade to your throat. Yeah….. the USA is the bad guys.
Sheesh. Liberating 50 million people from two of the worst tyrannies known to history — one of them suffered under a “leader” who’d gassed his own people and committed 30,000 murders every year; the other merely executed women for daring to learn to read — is just too much moral responsibility for nancy-boy Principal Levine. What are you principal of, an academy for recidivist bedwetters?
You go ahead and cower in your crevice, little boy. We’ll protect America.
So, what you are saying is that Obama is a war criminal.
When is the next march on DC?
Yoohoo…death dealing radical muslim boys!
Don’t be deceieved by Principal Levine’s illusion of support. I suspect it is merely a smokescreen to hide his own covert efforts to mock the Big Mo. If you do research with a high quality muslim search engine and on an advanced Saudi Arabian produced PC I’m sure you will find his hidden cache of blasphemous images.
Principal, given the death dealing radical muslim boys antipathy to all things Hebraic you may want to change your posting name.
I’m confused. Which barbarity is Levine opposed to? The effort to stop oppression, torture and murder of those opposed to the Baath party; or for being the wrong sort of muslim; or for being the wrong ethnicity? Or is it the thought of girls in Afghanistan being allowed to go to school and get an education for the first time after decades of radical islamic tyranny? I bet that’s it, isn’t it? Levine is terrified of educated women.
Well, I haven’t shot any fish in a barrel in a while, so… what the hell!
“I’m so glad we’re not those nasty muslims threatening people with death when they do things that we don’t like; its so much cooler being the USA, where we actually DO KILL PEOPLE by the thousands when they do things we don’t like.”
Ummm, like invade Kuwait for it’s oil? Gas the Kurds? Fly planes into the WTC? Push stone walls over on homosexuals? Whip/stone/kill females for driving cars? Naaah, Muslims would NEVER actually kill thousands of people. They ALWAYS only “threaten”.
You, sir, are a douche.
The best drawings should be printed on toilet paper where they can be used in a manner most appropriate for the respect due to Mohammed & his crap religion. Mohammed’s lousy ideology should have been flushed down history’s toilet long ago with other really shitty ideas.
The day the original Danish Cartoon controversy broke, I felt that if all US newspapers did not print the cartoons on the front page in solidarity of Freedom of Speech the Western World was doomed. Perhaps we did not realize the magnitude of this issues or the unacceptable long reaching implications then….
Today, it not the MSM and the front pages of the newspapers that have taken up this cry, but the patriots and lovers of freedom in the real world who recognize that we must all take a stand now or live in dhimmitude forever…..
Thanks for this article, which I am posting to my own FB page (EDMD is down right now….)
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(thanks to Warthog, this will be my signature all day…..)
“Freedom of speech itself is our highest political ideal.”
That really is the crux of the matter. Religion in America was not weakened when the power of the state no longer stood behind it — it was strengthened because (as Tocqueville and others have pointed out) it became connected to the fundamental liberal principles of freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of speech.
Without those freedoms there can be no political liberty or personal autonomy.
Bravo Zombie for keeping us focused on the real issue at hand (and without the icky SF pictures …)
Religion in America was not weakened when the power of the state no longer stood behind it — it was strengthened because (as Tocqueville and others have pointed out) it became tamed by the fundamental liberal and secular principles of freedom of thought, freedom of conscience, and freedom of speech.
Fixed.
Don’t have to draw any image; Michelle Obama looks like his twin sister.
FAIL. (and offensive)
You do understand why, right?
Good on ya, for all the artists who “won” and to all who participated.
I am an artist who ordinarily specializes in landscapes and seascapes. But today, I am drawing a lot of cartoons of Mohammed. Because I have a right to do so. They are clumsy, badly done, but I don’t care. I am also donating them to local charities for auction, to benefit various causes.
To the Islamofascists: You will have to pry my paintbrush from my cold, dead fingers.
Best wishes,
pyrata
@36:
“Yeah. And somehow, we’re the only country in the world involved in two simultaneous military occupations that have saved millions. Hurray for us.”
FIFY
Oh, and….
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There you go cybergeezer. But not all at once, little one—spontaneous racist ejaculation is a problem, but one that you can talk to a therapist about controlling. Let it out slowly, like your friends here.
Hey, sonny; Does your mother know your on the internet? I would say yes, since you sound like you had some traumatic potty training.
I’ll keep you in my prayers.
Steve. Delusional? Are we not involved in two occupations at the same time? Have we not killed tens of thousands of people in these two occupations? Are you able to contradict these statments with facts? Or would you rather hide here in your made up bigoted wonderloand, where its Muslims who pose the danger to you, while every week the occupations you fund with your tax dollars kill Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan? I’m sure its the latter.
Occupied two countries. Killed tens of thousands. I can get behind that. Remember 9/11. Payback is a BITCH.
Well, those 10000 killed, those same 10000 you weep crocodile tears for, could as well have been 10000 rage boys for all I know or care for that matter. The way I see it our world is far better off with 10000 less rage boys on the planet. So for the sake of it. let’s play with the thought that all these 10000 deceased rage boys had still been alive, so what? What would they have brought to the world? Did the world loose a load of astro physicists, brain surgeons, Nobel laurates? Not very likely, eh? They where rather whackos, nutjobs cup cakes the whole frigging lot of them. Good riddancs I say!
have saved millions
LOL. What was I saying about fantasies. of course, whenever we do something it is incontrovertibly correct, no matter how staggeringly immoral. Stalin saved millions too. Or so say the Stalinists. Hurray for you, indeed, you dangerous idiot.
So, just out of curiousity, do you know history at all? Or are you just too full of the US is evil, everyone else is good mentality. In fact…..you seem to be the kind of guy that opposes military action whatsoever, and I fear you may rather appease someone than actually take a stand and fight for something. Sir, if you truly are a principal, you are a rather shameful one at that……and one willing to repeat history by moral equivalence.
Would this principal, perchance, be head honcho of an alternative school? Not that “mainstream” schools aren’t jam packed with such lowest common denominator subversives—if one honours truth and freedom—as this appeaser.
I think this principal needs to be re-educated.
Allow me to assist you ladies and gentlemen.
Principal Levine, I dub thee…
TROLL!!!!
-There we go. All done.
Oh look! It’s the Principal Levine show now! Gee, thanks for the schooling princ, now get back to molesting children.
I do not believe draw mohammed day is the right approach. It’s not that I care one iota about what the fanatics think. These guys already want to kill me because I taught my daughter to read. But if there’s 1m of these headchoppers in Indonesia, there’s also 199m other people that are going to work, raising families, etc. All they’re going to hear is “Hey, in America, everybody’s drawing your prophet today just to upset you.” Because it is a coordinated act designed to upset every Muslim, not just a potential suicide bomber. Keep in mind the many muslims who a) denounced the 9/11 attacks, b) work with us in Iraq/Pakistan/Yemen, and/or c) have lost family and friends in attacks. Yes, free speech is your right, but use it wisely. Go start “everybody remember an honor killing victim day”.
Tristan, it’s exactly the right approach. The impact on non-jihadist Muslims is precisely the point. What it says is “control the fanatical members of your population like we do with ours, we won’t accept being threatened while you ignore it and get on with your life. Lack of action is tacit approval”. No one in Indonesia is in danger of being killed by western fundamentalists because they mock Jesus. Personally, when people are enabling fanatics by ignoring them I don’t care if they get offended.
Indonesia is a very good example, by the way, they dragged their heels on controlling extremist groups and terror cells in their country because, quite frankly, they didn’t really care if some of their people killed westerners. We (Australia) and others had been warning them for years and trying to get them to do something about it. Then came the Bali bombing and others, which severely damaged their tourist industry. Suddenly it mattered to them and they have done a pretty good job since of policing their own. But until it directly affected them their was no
And that’s why “everyone remember an honor killing victim day” is useless. It doesn’t affect the people who need to fix the problem. Drawing Mohammed tells them “as long as you tolerate people that threaten us, you lose your right to respect. Believe what you want but don’t expect us to live by the same rules”. And it’s being done in exactly the right way – no threats, no vilification, just ridicule.
Bear in mind that likely none of the people participating would have had any interest in drawing Mohammed unless they had been told they weren’t allowed to on pain of death. I like to think of it as the “I’m Spartacus” approach.
Thomas L. Ha. That’s exactly what I would say if I had no access to information and no ability to construct an argument. Thankfully, I’m rarely forced to resort to ad hominem. Look it up, editors, author and posters alike. This is what ad hominem is, not calling an idiot like Thomas L an idiot for being unable to construct an argument.
Oh, I think I could construct an argument but I was following your lead, Mr. Troll. Go draw yourself!
Wow! The shul-sweeping reality-based NEA member is really riled today. And, typically, has the chutzpah to claim that others “ejaculate.”
ThomasL. Oh, I think I could construct an argument Go on then, lol, I’d like to see what you “think” an argument actually is. Don’t keep me in suspense.
Since by calling yourself “principal”, you are making a sneaky appeal to authority, you have already broken with the rules of logic. Since you are a troll, I’d rather not have anything to do with you. A while back one of your troll brethern informed me that insults were not ad hominem but merely … fun.
Principal Levine is not one of the troll “brethren.” He is the troll otherwise known as Skeezits, Ghould’s ghost, Oscar le grouche, and many, many more. You can always expect him to show up to a Zombie post with a new name and the same old chip on his shoulder. I still think he needs to live near a French no-go zone as I did. Talk about a political conversion; you can change your opinion quicker than you ever thought possible.
“Yeah. And somehow, we’re the only country in the world involved in two simultaneous military occupations that have killed tens of thousands.”
Makes me proud to be an American. No one else has the will or ability to go halfway around the world and smash Baathists, Talibaners and their various terrorist proxies.
But, we do.
And, I wouldn’t dirty my pencil by drawing a picture of Mighty Mo, the child-molestor “prophet”.
Dave Surls. Indeed, good point Dave Surls. So too think the Islamists who preach death to people who defame the prophet. You certainly showed them. Might makes right. Just make sure that you have the bigger weapon. I suppose that means they should get themselves a nuclear weapon. Yes, indeed, great thinking.
“Just make sure that you have the bigger weapon.”
Don’t worry….we do.
Thousands of them.
Our gurantee to Islamist radicals: “We deliver a thermonuclear warhead fresh and piping hot to your doorstep in 30 minutes or less. Or the next MIRV is free.”
Have a nice day you historically challenged, morally bankrupt America-hating moron.
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The constant reference to Mohammed as a child molester also makes me laugh. So many of your culture’s popes were child molesters that its not really a surprise that the entire catholic faith [not to mention Christianity in general] seems like little but a method for pedophiles to operate with impunity. LoL. Sure is easier casting that critical eye at other cultures.
And what about Mohammad Shandu and his boy friend Obama. Were they doing each other or little boys?
Bacha Bazi parties are standard fare in the Muslim culture.
The fact that some Catholic clergy were child molesters, does not make Mohammed less of one. The clergymen involved didn’t marry those kids like Islamists do.
Nobody gets killed drawing pictures of the Pope or pedophile priests.
I gotta a better idea. Let’s everybody draw Rand Paul, because everybody believes he’s offensive.
Everybody? Just one dissenter to that “argument” make it null and void. And, there were quite a few dissenters this week in Kentucky.
It appears that skeeziks and Principal Levine are the same person…tittering back forth to itself..
LOL, Skeeziks. Between Rand Paul and the Islamic threat to American cultural supremacy, its a wonder these incontinent cry-babies can leave their homes every day.
Incredible! You idiots really don’t get it! Hell, draw pictures of anyone you freakin’ like or dislike. Draw pictures of youselves having sex with Rand Paul, for all we care. We’ll defend your right to do so. No one’s going to threaten you with death even though you’d probably get a good asskicking if you talked like you do here to any real people.
Are incidents of child molestation more common in the church than in the school system or any place where pedophiles might prey on children? Do school systems and teachers unions not protect teachers who commit these crimes at least as energetically as you accuse the church of doing? I would have thought that a logical person would see through that fallacy. Back to Huffpo. They’re probably more aligned with your principles or lack thereof, Principal Skeesucks.
the more you answer these guys the more vomit they put forth…
“Just make sure that you have the bigger weapon.”
We do.
That’s why we’re camped out in Baghdad and Kabul and the Baathists and Taliban aren’t camped out in Washington, D.C.
Comforting, isn’t it?
“That’s why we’re camped out in Baghdad and Kabul and the Baathists and Taliban aren’t camped out in Washington, D.C.”
Well, that’s just full of Win, right there!
Nice one Dave
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A very eloquent defense of free speech–one of the few effective ones I’ve heard in a long time. Your call to draw brilliant! Thanks for the needed provocation. Your warlike conclusion is less appealing…
That’s why we’re camped out in Baghdad and Kabul and the Baathists and Taliban aren’t camped out in Washington, D.C.
Laugh out loud funny. If it was comforting, you wouldn’t be on here every day wetting your pants about the Islamic threat to Washington DC and asking the rest of the world to help save you from the horrible Iranians and their bid to get a nuclear weapon. This is your problem. Because all the money that you let your government siphon away from you to make bigger and better bombs, isn’t going to do jack when Iran gets a nuclear weapon. And suddenly, you’ll find that you have actually no ideological problems iwth the Iranians. They will suddenly be “good” muslims. Cowardly fool.
Indeed, the Iranians will be good Muslims. You recall what Phil Sheridan said about good Indians?
#54 & #55
The guy is actually having a “conversation” with his other pseud.
Too much.
“Laugh out loud funny.”
Yeah, it was a hoot watching American troops roll into Baghdad. I know I enjoyed it.
My thoughts exactly. One sock puppet agreeing with another. Pitiful really.
Yes Anne, pardon me, it’s time to move on. These twits aren’t worth the effort. Benighted fools.
Zombie,
This article is the best article ever published on Pajamasmedia. It might be the best article on free speech since postmodernism became the marching orders of the Left and academia. Let us hope that Pajamasmedia can live up to this article in the future, especially when the topic is homosexuality. And the drawing that you picked as the winner is truly worthy. Good ole Mohammed, cleave the infidels, cleave the moon, cleave it all.
Principal Levine writes:
“The constant reference to Mohammed as a child molester also makes me laugh. So many of your culture’s popes were child molesters that its not really a surprise that the entire catholic faith [not to mention Christianity in general] seems like little but a method for pedophiles to operate with impunity.”
Yes, but our Popes did not make child molestation a sacrament, institutionalizing it and promoting it, as did your Mohammed. Christians are embarrassed about child molestations, Muslims embrace child molestation as they are taught by their sacred documents. Do you want to take up the savage practice of polygamy? You do it. We don’t. You hate women. We don’t. End of argument. Do you want to take up the savage practice of the Niqab? Etc, endlessly.
In the RC church and elsewhere, covered up or not, this activity is what it has always been. A sin and a crime. In Islam, it’s a perk. As Mo’s nine year old wife said, Hey Big Mo, your Lord sure is permissive … when it comes to your desires. Or something like that. When you ask, WWMD? it seems … if he couldn’t have sex with it, he’d kill it. Or both.
to Zombie:
Your comments are pitch-perfect, and I endorse them 100%. Thank you for your SANITY on this subject: clear-headed and courageous, you get my Hero of the Day Award.
Meanwhile, and off topic (but I just have to vent), Calderone gets my Moron of the Day Award for his comments last night to Wolf Blitzer, which I heard by way of Rush this morning (many thanks to Rush).
So, instead of raising the level of the debate and comporting ourselves as mature men and women of intelligence and consideration, we can say or do anything we want and to hell with the consequences? …and many of you accuse Libertarians of being anarchists?
(Don’t mistake me, there, kids. I was all for leveling every hut, shed and building in all 57 Muslim Majority nations after 9/11, and I haven’t really changed my mind, since. Nice With Retaliation is my game, with a focus on retaliation, when and as needed.)
What I’m asking here, is what happened to The Age of Reason, here? The founding principles and the very epistemology of our nation? When the other guy is trying to kill you, you don’t sit around drawing sophomoric and juvenile cartoons about him and congratulate one another on your courage and intelligence. When the other guy is trying to kill you???
If the other guy is trying to kill you, drawing cartoons won’t stop him. While you are planning your next ‘cartoon attack,’ he’s already planned several different ways to kill you.
Appeal to reason among yourselves, not to emotion.
You’re now doing what you so often accuse your ideological opponents of doing. Juvenile, self-congratulatory narcissism.
If taunting the enemy causes him to blow his cover or lose all sense of strategy, then it is a perfectly rational strategy to employ.
Free speech is….is what free speech does.
Free Speech is the bedrock of our Nation. There should be no blocking it, whether we like it, agree with it or simply hate it.
That is the way it is..
Long Live Free Speech !!!!
Great Article, Thanks !!!
Are incidents of child molestation more common in the church than in the school system or any place where pedophiles might prey on children?
Um yes. There’s this thing called the newspaper. It also appears on the internet. The rest of us read this to find out what’s going on the world. Cuts down on the stupid question factor. I’m not one to question lifestyle choices of you people…certainly, stupidity is as valid in a certain way as average intelligence is. But there are options. Just saying.
Bacha Bazi parties are standard practice among Muslims. Explain that to us Princi.
There’s this thing called the newspaper. It also appears on the internet. The rest of us read this to find out what’s going on the world. Cuts down on the stupid question factor.
Yes.
Because everything reported is accurate, honest, unbiased and truthful.
Nothing is ever lacking or ‘not’ reported.
Around the entire globe.
Every single piece of ‘news’ is reported.
There are no limitations placed on any country or any journalist or any thought.
Freedom of Speech is practiced EVERYWHERE.
Oh – especially in the M-E.
Everything that comes out of there is factual and truthful – ESPECIALLY within its own country … nothing is riddle with propoganda whatsoever. None. The Middle East practices freedom of speech at every turn:
Child-molestation reported – CHECK
Crimes against their own kind, children & faith reported – CHECK
Yes.
Most definitely.
Since you believe EVERYTHING you read as factual, making all Western countries helping the US in this war out to be liars, murderers, bigots, racist, un-patriotic, theives, disloyal, pedofiliac fool … everything you say here… well answers the question: who’s the stupid one.
One thing I will say about the US, Canada & GB and many other allied countries fighting to protect the innocent – while yes, there are pedofiles in the Christian Churches… we at least expose our own, don’t hide our disgust of this sinful crime against humanity nor accept it as a religious doctrine. We may not be perfect… but we don’t pretend to be.
You on the other hand… pretty self-explanatory.
“…stupidity is as valid in a certain way as average intelligence is.”
I’m glad to see you are aspiring to reach the goal of average intelligence, Princ. I never would have guessed you are were so aware of your limitations. But through all your readings could you tell me which Pope was a child molester?
Are incidents of child molestation more common in the church than in the school system or any place where pedophiles might prey on children?
Actually child molesting is more prevalent among Non Catholic Clergy: http://www.bilerico.com/2010/04/the_other_shoe_child_molesting_by_non-catholic_cle.php
Gays are more likely to molest adolescent males. Many of the Catholic Priests accused of molestation are gay: http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6506
Public School teachers are known to be serial molesters: http://bigjournalism.com/jhudnall/2010/02/09/teachers-unions-the-child-molesters-best-friend/
In any case, reading newspapers will only give you a distorted picture of actual events: http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex8.htm
Principal Levine writes:
“Laugh out loud funny. If it was comforting, you wouldn’t be on here every day wetting your pants about the Islamic threat to Washington DC and asking the rest of the world to help save you from the horrible Iranians and their bid to get a nuclear weapon.”
We are not wetting our pants. In fact, we are begging for a President with the balls to announce to the world that several practices of Islam are abhorrent to civilization and will be met with force wherever they are encountered. Those practices include the Niqab, child brides, jihad, dhimmitude, and just an endless list of barbarisms that died hundreds of years ago for all other religions and cultures. The Chinese, the Russians, the Europeans, the Americans, the Australians, and nearly all other peoples look upon Islam with horror and disgust.
The reason we worry about Iran getting a nuclear weapon is that we know it will make the Iranian government more effective in brutalizing its own people.
Yes, but our Popes did not make child molestation a sacrament, institutionalizing it and promoting it
Um, the age of consent in the 12th century Europe was eleven. In fact, it was a sacrament, because most adult Christian men married women of this age. Some day when you read a history book not written for children, you may find out all kinds of things about your cultural inheritance. I’m sure one could have an interesting conversation with you about those things. Some day.
Bacha Bazi parties are standard fare in the Muslim culture. That’s right now not centuries ago.
And you still haven’t answered my question about Mohammad Shandu and Obama. Were they doing each other or were they doing little boys?
So what? In ancient Israel twelve year old girls and thirteen year old boys were marriageable. If they have reached puberty, then God has made them able to have sex and conceive children. Why then, should they be prevented from marrying? The real issue is CONSENT. Christianity does not recognize an unconsentual marriage as legitimate. This is why the Church refuses to recognize marriages where either party has not consented of their own free will, without duress, and taken the marriage oath before at least two witnesses, in addition to the clergy. Christians are spiritually mature enough to understand that just because something may not be legally prohibited, does not mean that it is the right thing to do in all cases. We are to love one another, and that is especially true of men loving their wives; Christian men ought to be ready to die for their wives if the need should arise. If you wouldn’t die for her, then you have no business marrying her. Likewise, if she is not physically, emotionally and spiritually ready for marriage, you should patiently wait for her.
Princ say: “Um, the age of consent in the 12th century Europe was eleven.”
So there was an EU that long ago, eh princ? Warsaw, London and Venice all agreed on the age of consent, eh? Consent for what? And, one more question, could you provide a link so we could see the source of this ridiculous statement?
The reason we worry about Iran getting a nuclear weapon is that we know it will make the Iranian government more effective in brutalizing its own people.
You forgot to mention how you’re championing women’s rights too. You’re like the white trash hovel-dweller tisking at the garbage in his neighbor’s yard when his own house looks like a recycling dump. Worry about your own garbage, let the Iranians handle their own business. WHo knew that this maxim works for foreign policy as well as it does for neighbors?
Your rule of not interfering in your neighbors business. Does it matter what kind of crimes the neighbor is perpetrating? If so what is the threshold that constitutes a transgression big enough to warrant an interference? If the neighbor is eating children is that a big enough a transgression? The neighbor raping 10 year old children will that be small enough to leave it be? If my garden does not look like a recycling dump, does that mean I’m obligated to stop my neighbor from littering? Or does it only give me the right to stop him from raping his sister? Whereas if it does look like a recycling dump, I’m not allowed to stop him from raping his sister? If you yourself were kept in a dungeon in someones basement, would you want your neighbor to come and rescue you? Or would you be principled enough to understand your captors neighbors principles of not interfering in your captors business?
I am of the view that Islam could very well be the religion of the Beast. Time will tell.
Bravo Zombie. Two ears and the tail.
For Professor Levine, the part immediately under the tail; you know, the part that produces what (s)he(it) is selling.
Collar too Tight.
I am of the view that Islam could very well be the religion of the Beast. Time will tell.
Its been a thousand years, moron.
But how long has it been since you participated in a Bacha Bazi party?
Why that’s where the Princ was just last night.
I think he’s there now!
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Peace be upon h….
ahhhh, nevermind
Let him forever dwell in the dunghill.
Principal Levine writes:
“You forgot to mention how you’re championing women’s rights too. You’re like the white trash hovel-dweller tisking at the garbage in his neighbor’s yard when his own house looks like a recycling dump. Worry about your own garbage, let the Iranians handle their own business. WHo knew that this maxim works for foreign policy as well as it does for neighbors?”
Whoa, man, you have lost it. Your statement says nothing. But it reveals that you have nothing to say in response to my criticisms of your boiler-plate Muslim savageries. As for evil, sir, we fight evil wherever we encounter it. The practices of child brides are evil, along with polygamy, dhimmitude, the Niqab, and most beliefs arising from Islamic teachings. Your time is limited, sir, because your women will overthrow you. Once they do, there will be no Islam. Islam hates women.
Principal Levine writes:
“Um, the age of consent in the 12th century Europe was eleven.”
Christianity has not held such beliefs for hundreds of years. Islam celebrates child marriage involving nine-year-old girls today. If you do not know that then you are truly unlearned.
Your statement says nothing.
Sorry. Remedial reading night classes may help.
And what would help the little boys at your Bacha Bazi parties?
Hey, Islamists, it’s called “having an opinion”– every one has one, get used to it!
Theo. Oh, really? So do you mean, that if I find an incident, or several incidences of Christians being married to, or screwing children, then that means that the whole religion is suspect? Talk to the Mormons and your Mitt Romney, lol.
Pedophiles are the rare exception among most relegions. Muslim men are on the other hand quite often pederasts. Ergo, the Bacha Bazi parties. Standard practice among “powerful” Muslim men.
Mormans are not Christians. They are Mormons, and they believe G-d was once a man who now rules this earth. That they too can become a god of a world, as they hope their many children will rule worlds.
Very nonChristian stuff.
Let us define what a Christian is, that unbelievers may not use cults against us. A Christian is someone who believes that there is one God who created the heavens and the Earth, and that He consists of three persons- the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, that God the Son took human flesh and was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucified and died for the sins of all humanity, rose from the dead, ascended into Heaven and will come again to raise the dead and transform the living who await Him, and that He will judge the living and the dead. Christians will confess without caveat that Jesus is Lord and that He is risen from the dead. Whether or not a man, woman or child is a Christian has nothing to do with associations, familial or otherwise, and everything to do with the doctrines they espouse.
Islam has a moral duty to extend to women the same rights and privileges that if offers to men. Upon turning eighteen, Muslim women should no longer need permission from any male to do anything. She should be able to get a job, drive a car, dress as she pleases, marry as she pleases, choose a career, have sex, renounce her religion. Islam is the only institution in the world today that systematically treats women as the property of men. Of course, the worse part is honor killing. Islam is the only institution in the world today that permits its clerics to teach that killing of sisters, daughters, wives, and maybe more for sexual impropriety is morally justified. The practice of honor killing places Islam squarely in the savage seventh century. So does the practice of polygamy. The world should be morally outraged by Islam and should demand that Islam extend to its women all the rights and freedoms enjoyed by its men. To do otherwise is to embrace this ancient and savage hatred of women.
Principal Levine writes:
“Theo. Oh, really? So do you mean, that if I find an incident, or several incidences of Christians being married to, or screwing children, then that means that the whole religion is suspect? Talk to the Mormons and your Mitt Romney, lol.”
Sir, your religion TEACHES AS OFFICIAL DOCTRINE that taking of child brides against their will is morally justified, that having four wives is morally justified, that males have the authority to tell their female family members how to dress and how to behave. Your religion is a testament to an anicent and evil hatred of women. Set your women free.
“if I find an incident, or several incidences of Christians being married to, or screwing children, then that means that the whole religion is suspect?”
No, but if Jesus had been a savage, barbaric, child-molesting, murdererous, slaver, that would make his teachings suspect.
Only, it looks like Jesus was something special. A cut above the common herd, as it were. He didn’t abuse little girls. Mighty Mo, OTOH…just another scumbag, I’m afraid.
Don’t strain your brain worrying about it, pal. You’re not even close to being smart enough to figure that out…or anything else for that matter.
Dave Surls. God, you’re stupid. Unless I’m mistaken, the Old Testament is still required reading in the bible. Read it sometime. Eye opening experience.
No, you’re the one who is stupid. Uneducated, ignorant, moronic, whatever you want to call it.
Nowhere in the Bible does Christianity ever command Christians to wage war against unbelievers until religion in the world is only for the Christian God. There are several incidents of genocide contained in the old testament but it is not the same because they are clearly codified and relegated to a particular point in history, they were not issued as commands for the Hebrews to obey for all time but were stories. Jesus never harmed anyone, showed any interest in sex, condoned theft or spousal abuse, or traded slaves. Muhammad did all of that, at least according to core Islamic texts.
Islam is just the opposite. Contained within the Qur’an and Sunnah are clear and explicit commands to wage war against the infidel for all time, until religion in the world is only for Allah. Infidels have the choice between conversion or death. If they are monotheists they have the third choice of acknowledging the superiority of Muslims over themselves, restricting their own worship and rituals, and paying a religious tax for being nonMuslim. This is known as dhimmitude and can continue until the Mahdi shows up, at which point dhimmi’s must also choose between conversion or death. The commands for Muslims to subjugate the world in the name of Islam are clear and explicit and agreed upon by all mainstream sects (fiqhs) and madh’hab, whether Sunni, Shia or Sufi (yes, even the Sufis). There are some minor sects that generally eschew violent Jihad doctrines such as the Ahmiddiya and Ibadis but they are also denounced by mainstream Muslims as apostates and polytheists. Any and all notable Tafsir and Ulama agree on this.
Utmost importance is given to the Sunnah, which are the words and deeds of Muhammad.
Did Jesus lead unprovoked raids on caravans solely on the basis that God told him he could attack them for booty?
Did Jesus personally command the beheading of hundreds of surrendered Jews, including young boys? (it is recorded that Muhammad had each male inhabitant of the Banu Qurayza tribe checked for pubic hair. If they had even one, they were beheaded. The remaining boys, girls and women were taken by the Muslims as booty)
Did Jesus personally lead over 60 violent expeditions in his life, taking 1/5th of the captured booty for himself on the basis that he was God’s chosen and only begotten son?
Did Jesus personally engage in slave trade? Did Jesus tell women who fled from abusive husbands that they wouldn’t get beaten so much if they just did as told?
You’re ignorant and baseless equivocating only demonstrates your complete lack of ability to speak of comparative religions in any authoritative fashion.
Muhammad is the perfect man, or Al-Insan al-Kamil. He is the moral compass in Islam. If Muhammad did it or said it was ok, then it’s Halal. If Muhammad forbade it, it’s Haram (the only real debate within Islam is over things that Muhammad didn’t touch on, things he neither forbade or allowed. The debate within Islam is usually confined to determining whether such things are “Mushbooh”, or suspicious).
It is the duty of every Muslim man to emulate Muhammad to the best of his ability. Many Muslims don’t do this, but that is only evidence that our inner humanity can pierce even the blackest of shrouds. So long as Islam exists, it gives carte blanche to anyone who wants to engage in wanton slaughter, subjugation and enslavement of the “other”, the only condition being that that “other” consists of Kufr.
There are three main verses that people dredge up from Jesus’ mouth to try and claim he commanded violence. You don’t seem intelligent enough even for this kind of out of context strawman, but I’ll preempt it anyway.
Luke 19:27, wasn’t something Jesus himself said, but was an instance of Jesus quoting a King while telling a parable. It’s not a command to go kill people.
Matthew 10:34 is a metaphor for how converting to a new Christianity will likely tear your previous relationships apart.
Luke 22:36 is concerning self defense.
So here’s a summary: Islam unequivically commands that warfare against the unbelieving world is incumbant upon all able Muslims for eternity, up to a time when the only religion in the world is Allah’s religion. Christianity does not do this. When Christians commit murder in the name of spreading or defending their faith, they actually are twisting their scripture. When Muslims do it, they are adhering to it. The true radical Muslims are the peaceful, pluralistic ones willing to live alongside non-Muslims without the intention or desire to impose Shariah on them.
God in Old Testament fashion and in The Revelation of Jesus Christ order will destroy Mohammed the false prophet along with the whore (false church/Babylon the corrupt governments of men) and Satan. The really good news is that the dead followers of these will join them shortly thereafter. The really really good news is that we don’t have to wait much longer.
Principal Levine writes:
“Dave Surls. God, you’re stupid. Unless I’m mistaken, the Old Testament is still required reading in the bible. Read it sometime. Eye opening experience.”
Christians follow the New Testament. New, get it. We study the Old Testament to learn about the signs of the coming of Jesus Christ, The Messiah.
“Unless I’m mistaken, the Old Testament is still required reading in the bible.”
Yes, you are mistaken. No one is required to read the Old Testament, and even if they were, what’s that have to do with anything?
But, of course, you’re a complete and utter idiot, so it’s hardly surprising that you’re mistaken.
And, of course, your airhead remark doesn’t even begin to address the point I was making about the difference between the character and actions of a scumbag like the “prophet” Mohammed and a person like Jesus of Nazareth.
Big surprise.
Poor Principal Levine doesn’t yet know that many on the left — including the savagely anti-Christian and pro-liberal editorial cartoonist Mark Fiore, who won this year’s Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning — are coming out in favor of Draw Mohammed Day and against theocracy:
Mark Fiore: Inky Al-Jihadi
Add to that several essays and the majority of left-leaning commenters on Huffington Post who have woken up to reality and switched narratives on this. The more you look at the Left in recent days (e.g. Bill Maher, etc.), the more you will see pro-free-speech and anti-censorship posts in favor of Draw Mohammed Day and South Park and the Danish cartoonists and so on.
But Principal Levine didn’t get the message: He’s still banging the gong for Islam, unaware that he’s the last guy in the room doing so. Everyone has sat down in the leftist party game of GroupThink, but Principal Levine is still standing up. Ooops! Looks like you’re “it.”
The switch has come about because people smarter than you realize that this was not just a losing issue for the Left, but a major embarrassment for liberal ideology. They allowed conservatives to take the self-evidently correct stance on an issue that the Left had ignored; then, in knee-jerk reaction, the liberal hoi polloi automatically took the opposite stance of whatever the conservatives were saying, oblivious to the fact that it placed the Left on the side of totalitarianism.
So the time has come to quickly switch and co-opt the issue for their own, and claim credit that opposing religious bullies was their idea all along. That’s fine — we welcome our new cohorts.
And then there’s Princial Levine still standing all alone in the Leftist Apologists for Jihad camp, looking around and wondering where everyone else has gone.
But really, Principal, be my guest: Use all your wit and wordsmithery to defend a morally repugnant position with all your might. Rage through the comments section smiting opponents in the name of theocracy. The fiercer you fight, and the more successful your debating techniques are, only serves to make you more and more a running dog to the very religious tyrants you claim to oppose.
Every comment you make, every word, no matter how combative, only makes you look worse.
So please, keep commenting. It is a pleasure to watch.
Well, he had to add some irrelevant comments about Dick Chaney, but, hey, that’s free speech. Just because you may say what you want doesn’t mean that all you say is very wise or even particularly sensible. Caveat lector.
Offended Muslims, et al: I’m not a very religious person, but I was raised as a protestant Christian. As a non-member of your little club, I am continually insulted with the word “kaffir” and told I must obey Islam’s moronic dogma or be attacked. With the blessings – indeed, the order – of God.
Well, then, o ahead – attack me. I shoot real good. And I’m not afraid of God, or death.
Put up or shut the hell up.
When ISLAM falls, and it WILL FALL FAST and hard, it will be because of how ISLAM treats women as 2nd class citizens.
And brainwashing little Muslim boys into self-destruction too.
Aw, shoot. Too late to get my entry in, I suppose. Mine’s meme-a-licious!
But at least I may attract a troll or two. Lumme some troll!
Zombie. I sometimes marvel at how dumb and completely alienated from logic you are.
Poor Principal Levine doesn’t yet know that many on the left — including the savagely anti-Christian and pro-liberal editorial cartoonist Mark Fiore, who won this year’s Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning — are coming out in favor of Draw Mohammed Day and against theocracy:
Why would I care what that guy thinks? I have an opinion I’ve bothered to put some thinking into. It revolves around moral priniciples that I have. A) Don’t kill. B) Don’t kill just because others kill C) Take Responsibility for your Own Actions D) Don’t stop doing that, just because other people aren’t E) Worry about your own business first, then go out and teach the world about perfection.
Just because you present someone who’s a “leftist” [because you think I'm a leftist. Hilarious] who agrees with you doesn’t mean I’m suddenly going to give up that position. Silly bullsh^% for silly people.
I’ll start to worry about being beheaded by Muslims AFTER we stop killing people in the Arab world. Seems to make good sense to me. But then I was brought up in a tradition in which we don’t go snooping into other people’s business just to take our minds off our own declining fortunes. You obviously come from a different tradition, in which finger-pointing takes your mind off your own shortcomings. Well, you’ve got a country that reflects that outcome of that lifestyle. Make sure you learn some Chinese, it will come in handy when you’re talking to your new bosses about the content that’s allowed on your new blog–I Love The Chinese Government That Bought Us Out Because I was Too Busy Looking for Muslims in the Wood Pile to Keep an Eye on My Own Government. The acronym will be easier in Chinese.
This Principal Levine creature pretends to be able “to teach the wrold about perfection,” and that perfection is his image of himself. A solipsist finds the whole world wanting because it does not praise him enough,nor will it ever. Such a sad life.
It is an honor to appear in the same comments list with S. Weasel, BTW.
Muslims seem to be doing a much more efficient job of killing each other and themselves than anyone else killing them. Plastic key to heaven for your life?
Princ, thank you so much for sharing the A through E commandments with us. Did you find them under your boyfriend’s burning bush?
Since you seem to thrive on “Bad attention is better than no attention”, I have to assume that your parents didn’t spend much time with you, did they “Principal” ?
“Um, the age of consent in the 12th century Europe was eleven.”
Um…I don’t have the slightest desire to emulate 12th century Europeans or adopt their colorful customs, or accept a medieval serf with a twelve year old “wife” as my spiritual leader.
Ditto for mighty Mo.
But, I will say one thing for the medieval Euros, at least they waited until the girls were twelve before they satisfied their lusts.
More than you can say for the founder of the Religion of Peace.
Yeah, Mojo. Those terrorists don’t have guns.
With all of your insults to Christians and Jews, you still cannot comment on my questions about the large number of pederasts among Muslim Males. Explain the Bacha Bazi parties. They are part of everyday life in the Muslim world. Men do not enjoy women. They are just for making babies. They rape boys and do not consider that homosexuality because the boys are not yet men. They like you are very, very sick.
Wow! Just another conscientious employee of our public school systems surfing the web on the tax-payer dime; killing time until you can retire at 50 with that big fat pension…no wonder you feel morally superior to us working suckers–your fat-cat is in the bag.
Zombie, you’re right about the lefties (hi). I hate Pajamas Media. So I feel kind of like Luke in Star Wars when I say… I agree with everything you’re saying here.
Early Christian leaders also tried to ban images. We might not have Western civilization today if early artists hadn’t kept drawing.
I say we educate the Muslim women then teach them how to shoot a gun…the pigs that rape and abuse them would think twice. The Burqa would disappear!
Don’t forget the boys too! There are also little boys who are trained for Jihad when they are still little children or they are sexually violated if they are poor and used as male dancing prostitots (Bacha Bazi boys).
Principal Levine writes:
“But then I was brought up in a tradition in which we don’t go snooping into other people’s business just to take our minds off our own declining fortunes. You obviously come from a different tradition, in which finger-pointing takes your mind off your own shortcomings.”
The posts above prove that you are a liar. You have not had the courage to address one of my criticisms of Islam’s immoral and abhorrent treatment of women. If you cannot address them, crawl back into your hole. Do you believe that, as Muslim Doctrine teaches, that it is morally permissible to wed a nine year old girl against her will? When people are treating women as slaves, everybody had a duty to free the women. Do you have anything to say?
here’s my entry:
http://polyrealism.com/mohammed/mohammed.shtml
You have not had the courage to address one of my criticisms of Islam’s immoral and abhorrent treatment of women.
Yes, you idiot. Because I don’t care what the Imam does or says or how other nation’s treat their women. You’re illiterate or stupid.
Looks like the main FaceBook page has been shut down.
88. Principal Levine – “I’ll start to worry about being beheaded by Muslims AFTER we stop killing people in the Arab world.”
There are a whole lot less people in the middleeast worried about being beheaded now that we are taking out the bad guys. Add up all the people who have died as a result of our very justified intervention and compare them to the numbers racked up by saddam and his boys or by the ruthless taliban and their honored guests al quada. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out the greater good or the lesser evil in this situation.
Your manufactured fake morality doesn’t cut the mustard, since you can’t tell right from wrong when it’s in your face, give it up. Since your “moral principles” don’t seem to include protecting the innocent or stopping the guilty, all the thinking you put into was a waste of time – you reached the wrong conclusion. Allowing mass killers to keep it up when you have the ability to stop it – doesn’t make you moral, it makes you a coward who has rationalized it.
Or worse yet, a wicked man who looks favorably upon such evil.
Principal Levine writes:
“Yes, you idiot. Because I don’t care what the Imam does or says or how other nation’s treat their women. You’re illiterate or stupid.”
I asked what you think about the treatment of women under Islam. I did not ask what imams think or what others think. So, let’s try again. What is your moral position on the Islamic practice of permitting marriage of nine-year-old girls?
I hope that readers of this forum learn something very important from the debates posted here. Islam is nothing like any religion or culture that Americans have encountered before. Americans are a friendly and open people. In the case of Islam, friendliness and openness is a terminal mistake. I want you to leave you with an image. I have had many Muslim friends and have some today. One couple that befriended me consisted of an mba with a major job for a major American technolgy firm and a PhD who ran her own lab at a major university. They were from a moderate Muslim city and they attended the mosque in my city that was known for moderation. She could speak only when he permitted her to speak. When permitted, she spoke brilliantly and with great charm. When she fell silent, she did not speak again until called upon. She had to wear the official Islam garb for females. Those two people possess souls and minds that have been mightily warped by Islam. They are the best that moderate Islam has to offer. After I understood what was going on, I could not tolerate their presence. You should not tolerate the presence of such people. There is at least one slave in that couple.
So sad, Theo. It’s obviously a hopeless lot in life for people who cannot willfully and intelligently remove themselves from the terminal, soul-sucking shackles of Islam.
I’ll start to worry about being beheaded by Muslims AFTER we stop killing people in the Arab world.
The funny thing is, Muslim support for the beheaders is lower now than it was before we “starting killing people in the Arab world.”
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1338/declining-muslim-support-for-bin-laden-suicide-bombing
Weird! Looks like the smart thing to do was to start “killing people in the Arab word,” to use your own silly, reductionist phrase.
Hai Zombie.
long time no see.
I reverted, zombie_chan.
ima mevlevi sufi transhumanist now….it was learning arabic that started the process….and yes, sufis are muslims….not mulim-lite like a lot of people think…..but muslim-l33t.
quite a journey from when we were both lizardettes.
you seem very angry.
mebbe this will help.
I had an epiphany today when I read this….
“By contrast, Hitchens, et al, who have been raised in the cradle of a Christian civilization, have imbibed a certain comfort level with the crusading notion that people can–and ought to–be saved even against their will. Hence, it does not matter if Muslim women don’t regard the burqa as oppressive. They have to be given sartorial liberation in the same way that the heathens need to be given spiritual liberation.”
i don’t think we need to be “saved” against our will.
you should stop your crusade, zombie_chan.
you see….we already won. when america elected a black man and a public intellectual as president, the world moved.
some things are different now.
some things are the same, the selfish genes code for survival, reproduction, and death…..but cultural and demographic evolution have forced a die-off of Crusader Culture.
memes can go extinct too, zombie_chan….remember when we talked about that?
so ……i want you to think about this…..
Teacher: Earth-That-Was could no longer sustain our numbers, we were so many. We found a new solar system, dozens of planets and hundreds of moons. Each one terraformed, a process taking decades, to support human life, to be new Earths. The Central Planets formed the Alliance. Ruled by an interplanetary parliament, the Alliance was a beacon of civilization. The savage outer planets were not so enlightened and refused Alliance control. The war was devastating, but the Alliance’s victory over the Independents ensured a safer universe. And now everyone can enjoy the comfort and enlightenment of true civilization.
Young River: People don’t like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don’t run, don’t walk. We’re in their homes and in their heads and we haven’t the right. We’re meddlesome.
its time to stop fiery zombie_chan.
you work in your own garden.
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jinni
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pardon, i was talking about free will, molecular biology, and meddling.
Zombie_chan knows what i mean.
Actually, the ‘pardon’ should be mine. Sorry for buttin’ in.
s’ok.
zombie_chan and i are old friends….we share a passionate interest in the legacy code.
i thought she might like this.
ZOMBIE is a ‘SHE’?!
YESSSSSS! Part of the mystery of Zombie has been solved!
(Seriously, a lot of us thought she was a dude)!
apolos, zombie_chan.
i did not know you were in a deep cover disguise here.
its best i go.
Wow. I spend a couple of hours hard at work and when I return, a new Zombie column has already landed and is pushing 170 comments.
I agree 100% with your remarks concerning provocation lying in the eyes of the beholder. A lot of the problem, in my opinion, is that many Moslems have not been able to adapt to modernity at all; the violent backlash we see concerning every slight provocation is an attempt by an “honour” culture to force modernity to adapt to them. They don’t like the rules, so they want to change the game.
While my artistic skills are probably never going to win me any acclaim, I think satire can be just as powerful of a weapon. If anybody is interested, there is a new film out in Britain called “4 lions” about 4 ne’er do well jihadis. I have the official trailer posted on my blog at http://wearegovernment.blogspot.com/2010/05/four-lions-trailer.html You can also find a video posted directly above it with a two minute clip of the film as well as a few columns mostly about European politics.
Once again, I think Zombie just said what 99% of the West would say if they weren’t so scared. Good column.
Love your posts, Jacob!
That movie:
DuMb & dUmBeR Jihadi style! bwahahahaha!
I wonder how it will go down in Britain. It is hard to forget their shameful handling of the Salman Rushdie fatwa. I think that the West’s cowardly actions here have shown that we can be scared into submission; in fact, I see a direct link between the Rushdie bruhaha and the mo-toons shenanigans. I just wonder how the film will go over in Britain where the situation may be the most explosive in the Western world. While the British have a proud history of satire, they have largely been awol on the issue of Moslem “sensitivity.” I’m wondering how the film will go over. I have been a huge fan of the movie’s writer since the first day I ever stepped foot in Britain. I can’t wait to see the whole thing. (I even thought about taking a weekend trip to Britain ostensibly on “business” just so I could catch it before it comes out on DVD.)
I hope the film gets lots of positive and negative publicity (all publicity is GOOD publicity) and I hope that people can start laughing at ALL religions a little more freely without getting so damned uptight in the thong region. Islam is so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to satire. If they REALLY wanna take over the world, they should be free-wheeling, free-loving, non-violent, pro freedom, pro liberty, pro PERSONHOOD cool peeps instead of everything the opposite o’ dat. Nevva gon’ happen tho eh?!
“America the cowardly lion” is NOT the America I want to live in.
You live here, Muslims, you suffa the wrath of freedom to snark and be snarked upon like EVERYONE ELSE!
God bless every Muslim who does not follow Islam.
Fine. I’m done here, you are all just a bunch of ignorant rednecks and not worth my time. And just because I’m a raging pederast doesn’t mean my arguments about Muhhamed (PBUH) are invalid. Go read a book and stop watching faux news!
Funny at post 103 you say “I’m Done Here”, to which all the normal, intelligent people here said “WHEEEWWW”.
But, lo and behold, the idiot is still posting at 137.
GO AWAY ALREADY. You’ve nothing to add here. Go back to Puff Ho.
Holy Allah!
I posted a comment and Mo-hammed threw it into the dust bin of the Al Gore internet universe.
Stay safe Zombie girl,
and don’t eat any Burger King ice cream.
pictures of http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2005430143,00.jpg
I did enjoy that top picture of the ‘green’ Mohammedan,
it covers all the left leaning liberal environmental bases.
Because no one group gets to decide what’s offensive.
Unless its us.
One example of this is censorship. According to Robert Fisk’s article of 11 June 2003 published in The Independent, Paul Bremer (the supreme civilian occupation authority in Iraq) has ordered his legal department in Baghdad to draw up rules for press censorship. Fisk’s sources indicate that the policy will be to censor and possibly shut down newspapers that publish “wild stories, material deemed provocative or capable of inciting ethnic violence”. Fisk admits that the Iraqi press needs some journalistic training, highlighting the fact that there is no tradition of checking reports in Iraq. However, his article also questions whether press censorship is in line with the objective of “democratization” so emphatically espoused by the US in Iraq.
http://www.glocom.org/media_reviews/w_review/20030617_weekly_review98/index.html
I suppose since we went to all the trouble of invading in a military operation that took the lives of eight thousand people, a little censorship wouldn’t hurt. Draw Supreme Leader Paul Bremer day.
2003? What’s going on NOW with the might BARACK in powwa?
We will defend our culture against your seventh century barbarity. If it costs us millions of lives, so be it. If it costs you millions of lives, so be it. We will not live under the dictatorial rule of Islam. We will not submit.
The funny thing is, Muslim support for the beheaders is lower now than it was before we “starting killing people in the Arab world.”
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1338/declining-muslim-support-for-bin-laden-suicide-bombing
Weird! Looks like the smart thing to do was to start “killing people in the Arab word,” to use your own silly, reductionist phrase.
yes, you’re right. But for some reason, we didn’t invade Africa, where beheadings and amputations occur on a regular basis in a conflict which has killed millions of people in the last five years. But hey, I suppose its convenient to care about human rights in places with oil. Not so much in places without it. Right? In other words, why the hell should I care whether beheadings went down anywhere? Do you really want me to fund the murder of eight thousand people–more than have ever died of beheadings in the entire twentieth century no doubt–so that you can boast of a decline in capital punishment? Do you know how many people we have executed in the past decade, you dangerous imbecile?
If Africans became radical Jihadists blowing up buildings in the US, I’m sure they’d be on the psycho-islamist-whckadoodle shit-list too.
Most poor African men are raping children to avoid AIDS rather than blow themselves up in America on behalf of Islam.
I have absolutely no clue what any of this gibberish has to do with my point that “killing people in the Arab world” has actually served to reduce Muslim support for terrorism.
Presumably you panicked and fired off a massive load of verbiage in the hopes of distracting everyone from noticing that I’d proven how wrong you are.
Didn’t work. Sorry.
How much oil is in Afghanistan?
Levine asserted:
yes, you’re right. But for some reason, we didn’t invade Africa, where beheadings and amputations occur on a regular basis in a conflict which has killed millions of people in the last five years. But hey, I suppose its convenient to care about human rights in places with oil.
It is nonsense to suggest that we don’t have a right to retaliate against those who attack us or who threaten to attack us unless we are willing to go around the entire globe fighting evey evil regime. Pure nonsense and foolishness.
It’s like arguing that I don’t have a right to defend myself against an armed robber unless I am willing to go around the entire nation looking to stop ALL armed robbers. Idiocy.
There is plenty to criticize about the way we conducted the war in Afghanistan — and there is room for argument over whether or not Hussein was an actual threat to the U.S., whether in the present or in the future absent our intervention. But the idea that both invasions were unjustified because we did not also invade Africa is sheer lunacy.
Theo.
What is your moral position on the Islamic practice of permitting marriage of nine-year-old girls?
You have some kind of cognitive disorder, or you are illiterate. I. Don’t. Care. I have enough to worry about in this country without worrying about whether a Catholic priest in Scotland is raping a nine year old boy, or a Muslim in Saudi Arabia is marrying a twelve year old girl. Seriously, dude, pull your pants up and check out what’s happening in your country.
Ah, Principal Skeezits le Grouche. That train is always right on time. While you claim a more libertarian position regarding what goes on outside of the USA, why are you so concerned with everyone’s rate of literacy? At a rough glance, it appears that you have to call someone either imbecile or illiterate in almost every post. Ghould’s Ghost, why do you pop up here like some pernicious whack-a-mole every time Zombie posts a column when it will only bring the same result as last time, regardless of which name you choose to use? You’ve lost this fight before; why fight it again?
You, by your own admission, live in the US. By some of the statements you have made before, I assume this has always been the case. I would like to formally invite you to come live in Europe. I suggest France. After seeing how much no-go zones endanger France, Europe, and America by proxy, maybe you will reconsider some of your ideas. It’s not just about cartoons; it’s about maintaining the civil liberties in the West that have made us prosperous and free. You may not be able to appreciate the connection until you leave whatever bubble you are living in, Principal Skeezits le Grouche.
Let’s imagine that every Catholic Priest is a Pedophile.
Done.
Let’s imagine every Pedo-Priest forcing their religion and belief system on a whole society?
No way.
END OF ARG.
NEXT!
Principal Levine, stay down. You were beaten bloody ten rounds ago. Only a fool continues fighting without a chance in hell of winning! Call it quits and live to fight another day!
What’s happening in my country is as close to heaven as one can get on thie Earth. If you are busy, why are you posting? You cannot defend Islam against the most trivial criticism.
Principal Levine in post #103 you state “Fine. I’m done here” yet you continue to post.
Obviously, your word is no good. Why now would anyone listen to your arguments.
If you had any credibility, you certainly have none now.
“I disagree. Strongly. And I’ll tell you why.
Who Decides What Is Provocative?”
That is the core of the issue, and Zombie is right. Ultimately, freedom of speech is controlled by those who decide what is acceptable and what is not. Muslims have every right to feel insulted or offended or mildly miffed at cartoons of Mohammad. That is the prerogative of each individual. However, each individual also enjoys the right to express themselves in what ever manner they choose. That is what a free society is all about.
Freedom OF speech, not freedom FROM speech.
Can Christianity be twisted and indoctrinated in an evil way? Yes. I was a child who rebelled against the evil way my mother used God and twisted the bible to fit her own sick beliefs. When I read Jesus’ words, I never, EVER saw the evil she allowed herself to spew and I never allowed her twisted ideology to break my spirit.
And, this is how I see many Islam indoctrinated people, as broken spirits and minds purposely shut-off to the knowledge and reality that would surely free them from the harm that is the cult they are gripped in not only socially but within their own family structures.
The pressure to conform is strong in many religions and not just Islamic ones. To step out of the safety of conformity within your own family (little lone a community) is terrifying.
We should encourage and embrace all people who wish to leave Islam peaceably.
On a personal note: I pray for us all and I pray for love to overcome hate. It’s so easy to get angry and riled and learning to love and forgive just as easily is a lesson I’m still trying my best at.
ALL RIGHT!!
Thanks Zombie, Big time Bravo!
No one could have said it better. I can’t express how inspired and enlightened I am by your words and wisdom and the truly deep meaning of free speech and how it is the crux of our great nation. Our founding fathers would be really proud of you.
You are my Hero!
God bless you and your loved ones Zombie.
You must be a nephew. Geez Louise, it’s like watching a Bush town hall.
The Old Man And The Cartoon.
Once upon a time,
in a country small, up north,
near close to sea and fjord,
so peaceful and pleasantly agreeable,
there lived an innocent and friendly old man
who loved to draw cartoons to express his thought.
He looked out upon the great, wide, wonderful world,
and to his amazement found religious strife and killings
practiced by people called Muslims.
Living, as he did, among fellow, open-minded citizens
who valued human life and human values above all else,
he decided to draw the prophet of Islam in a cartoon.
The image which appeared, like magic, on his paper,
was of the prophet’s head wrapped in a turban,
and in the turban rested a round, black, lit bomb.
People first thought the prophet was about to commit suicide,
but, after contemplating the drawing for awhile,
it became apparent some other meaning might be hidden.
Some of the believers of the religion called Islam,
lived in the small country, up north,
and when they saw the cartoon of their beloved prophet
depicted in such a blasphemous manner,
thought it might be a good idea to show the cartoon
to other followers of their beloved, peaceful religion.
They set upon a journey to countries far away in the big world,
where they soon found other adherents of their religion.
Together they decided the cartoon might be of use
to incite hatred of the heathens, up north,
and so it came to pass,
dear children,
that masses of Muslims went out to burn and kill.
They wanted to show the small, peaceful country,
up north,
that people, of different faiths and opinions on life,
had better temper their freedom to think, talk, and act,
‘cause if they didn’t,
the prophet’s holy men and warriors would come after them.
The religious leaders of Islam pronounced that the old man
should die for having drawn their prophet in unflattering light,
and he had to go into hiding from the theistic thugs hot on his trail.
The old man survived for several years,
and one day he got an invitation to travel to a big country
on the other side of the ocean.
It appeared that certain folks, over there, in America,
wished to hear the tale of the old man and his cartoon.
He learned that in America many different people and religions
co-existed mostly in peace,
and that America might be a safe place to show himself.
When he arrived,
he learned that many people were afraid of him and his cartoon,
and that only a very few newspapers and television-stations
had dared show the cartoon to their viewers.
He realized that many inhabitants of America
were somewhat immature in their intellectual convictions,
and had to be protected from their own mental habits
by not being exposed to certain images and words.
The old man thought it humorous that editors of print and image
would tow the line of a mentally unstable person and his believers;
after all, weren’t these moderns atheists, Christians, Jews, or Other?
He went on to be interviewed by reporters and T.V. personalities,
and soon found out that the believers of Christianity and Judaism,
in particular, showed support for the old man and his cartoon,
some even calling him a hero and fighter for freedom of expression.
Being an old and wise man, he knew they supported him
because various religions tend to dislike each other,
and by praising the old man, could gain support for their own religion.
This type of behavior of conversion, dear children,
has been playing-out for many, many centuries…
ever since the so-called prophets of religion
suffered their psychotic episodes of hallucinations and visions
to be imposed on the rest of the world.
Once upon a time,
in a country small, up north,
near close to sea and fjord,
an old man drew a cartoon of a prophet’s head with a lit bomb in his turban,
and guess what, children,
nobody knew that beneath the big, black, lit bomb,
there nested many little bomblets waiting to go out in the big, wide world
to spread the good words and news about Islam.
Good night, children, and sleep well.
This was amazing going to use at my site and link back to you. Thanks, you have really got the ability to express yourself and that you did, I’m J.C.
Ah, the conspiracy mind at work. alas, I am not but my own. Myself. And while I realize that you can’t imagine more than one person on this great gift of god we call earth disagreeing with you, there are many who do. We are, in fact, legion. We elected a black man president. (Yea, still hurts don’t it.) We support the Civil Rights Act, unlike some Tea Party heroes. And we disagree with selling guns to terrorists, unlike some some Tea Party heroes. And if a woman chooses to end a pregnancy, it’s her business. And if someone claims to be a family values candidate, we know they’re probably the freakiest person in the room. We don’t mind the freaks, we just hate the charade.
so step right up, all your simple god-fearing people. I gotta an ointment to anoint ya. i gotta salve that’ll soothe ya. i gotta bottle that drop ya to your knees and make sing “Hallelujah” and make you feel like ya mean it. $9.99 plus tax.
You’re like that ventriloquist comedian that has a doll that also has a doll. He does, like three or four voices at the same time. You should check him out on youtube.
What really gives you away is your language, repetition of certain themes, and cadence. As well as the supreme incoherence and inability to mount a rational argument, but I don’t want to delve too much into ad hominem, Mr. Principal le Grouche. It always amazes everyone here how you arrive, never seem to have a coherent point, but post willy nilly without actually looking at the community at which you aim your monologues. *sigh*. It is even quite amusing that I address a critique to “Principal Levine”, and “Skeeziks” suddenly pops out of hiding.
I’ll make my offer again. Go, live in France for a couple of years, and see if you can maintain the same ideology you have now. http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/ Here is a mini-atlas of France’s no-go zones. Please feel free to visit. You’ll be a Zombie convert in no time.
Pernicious whack-a-mole, thy name is Principal le Skeeziks. And everybody here knows who you are…anything else is just silly.
So, Jacob is really Delia, eh? First one then the other. I think that’s all the proof we need.
But that nonsense aside, i can assure you I have posted on this board under only one name for the past several months. Your insistence that i am Principle or anybody else on this thread is not evidence of multiple names on my part but rather your juvenile need to be right.
But don’t take my word for it. Ask Delia, She’ll tell you.
Ooops, whack-a-mole’s back again! *doink* *doink*
Not only am I also Delia, I am most probably also posting under the names of Dr. Jehosephats, Leo’s Deli, and The Glorious Sovereign Default of the people. In fact, at least 180 comments on the board are by me. There may only be two of us, Principal le Grouche.
It has nothing to do with being right. I just see no reason to be civil to someone who cannot add anything of value to the conversation. For example, you classify people on here as racist and make random hillbilly remarks without being able to add an intelligent thought to the conversation. It’s all about cadence and word choice. As for your ad hominem dependency, try formulating an argument or make a suggestion.
Like this one for example. The offer still stands; if you don’t like where you’re living Oscar, try one of Europe’s no-go zones. You may think that only hillbillies could find this article of value, but that certainly isn’t the case. I have a post-graduate degree and speak 3 European languages fluently. Additionally, in contrast to many of Zombie’s detractors (like you), I also speak Persian on an intermediate level and some basic Arabic. My support of Zombie’s column has nothing to do with racism (I, too, am a semite) or a hatred of anything different. In fact, my views on the problems with Islam come from my exposure to Moslems, both here and in the Middle East. Instead of coming to PM and leaving comments behind on articles and commentary that you haven’t read very well, get off your sofa and spend a couple of years in the Glorious People’s Republic of France.
Have you ever noticed that conservatives have an unquenchable thirst for reading you their resume? I have. It’s kinda sad. I’ve always found the people who are the quietest about their achievements to be the most impressive (and the most likely to have actually achieved them). There are many lessons to learn in this life. Here’s one for you: Whoever claims to be the smartest person in the room, isn’t. *doink*
I wanted to participate in “Everybody Draw mohammed Day” but I didn’t know what a lying, thieving, murdering, goat fucking, mentally deranged, epileptic pedophile looked like.
One of my own,
You done brung it on yo-self for bein’ squirrely in the first place.
This is merely some almost random letters:
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By the Beard of the Prophet that is clever.
I have no affection for Muhammad, I am sorry he ever lived. I think Principal Levine is well off-base, and has been caught stealing.
Still, a few points –
1) Oil is in some way involved in the American involvement in the ME. Even if Bush was solely motivated by his desire to liberate Iraqis, he went in in part to ‘correct’ his father’s error. If you look at Bush 41, Baker et al, then obviously oil played a role given Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait AND incursions into S Arabia. By extension, you can make a reasonable argument that at least part of 43′s motivation was to stop Saddam and friends from damaging OPEC, as he certainly was trying to do. Thus you can make a claim that the US entry into Iraq was also to please the Saudis, Gulf states and even oil companies;
2) Saddam Hussein was not an Islamist, and only nominally a Muslim. He was in fact ‘non-sectarian’ in a way, in that you could join his ‘socialist’ government if you were a Baathist. Such as his Foreign Minister, ‘Tariq Aziz’ who was of course a Christian Iraqi. There was little in Saddam’s conduct that hinted at an Islamic desire to control the ME or beyond; rather, it was a tribal and Marxist motivation, a sense of Iraqi ‘patriotism’, hatred of the pro-American (sort of) Kuwaitis, etc; you can say Saddam’s enormous cruelty was Islamic or you can just say it fit his semi-Bedouin, Iraqi-style Marxism. Saddam wanted if anything to be the Iraqi Stalin;
3) There remains no above-ground proof of Saddam’s involvement in 911, to further this point.
Personally I think he was probably involved both in OK City and possibly WTC1; and he tried to kill Bush’s father. More, there is no real evidence that – unlike Iran or even Saudi Arabia – Saddam had any interest in Islamicizing the US. After all that is what Geller, Spencer, this site, David Horowitz speak of – with justification. The hijackers were Saudis;
4) The democratization effort in Iraq, while partly successful, has actually increased Iranian power, along with Iran’s aggressive moves in Lebanon and Gaza, Israeli weakness and European kow-towing. That is to say, if you are the Grand Ayatollah of Shmuckdom, you’re not really unhappy with the US invasion of Iraq. Saddam was a problem for them. It would be years before a renewed Iraq could threaten Iran;
5) In my view it will not be the United States that cuts Iran down to size, at least not in the lead. It will have to be Israel because of the enormous threat Iran poses to her, despite all the apologists, anti-Zionists and general goofs out there. Meanwhile, I just watched Fouad Ajami on PJTV, and he made the point that Obama has failed utterly to appease Iran, only has wasted time, and now Bibi must decide. The host pointed out that Israel will have to move to save the world, in so many words. And, implicitly to be condemned for it. And it is also true that about 2006, partly due to domestic dissent – that the US right wing failed to overcome – Bush gave up on actively stopping the Iranian nuke program.
Now the ‘fruits’ of that are coming to bear.
First off, while all the rest of you Muhammad defilers spell the M man with an “O”, I persist in spelling the MoMan with a “u. I’m always thinking. So when I make fun of him, they think I’m talking about a gay Islamic radical, a Mo Man, (not that there’s anything wrong with that). Of course, now that I’ve let the cat out of the bag, and admitted my true intent, Rachel’s head is as likely to be a target as the rest of yours. The only edge I have, besides high ground, is two M1919A4 30 caliber machine guns set up to provide a field of interlocking fire at the old homestead. As you know, the 1919A4 has been known known to shred even the heads of Islamic radicals. Not only do I tend to take moderation to the extreme, but I’ve been known to stretch the second amendment wider than even the wingspan of Michelle’s outstretched arms. Incidentally, my petition to make “Draw Mohammad’s head” a national close cover before striking matchbook holiday is running into resistance. President Obama contends it would offend the President of Mexico, among other world class meatballs. Incidentally II, have you noticed that the percentage of blogs in comparison to major metropolitan newspapers with the balls to show the cartoon character Mo Man runs at about 99 to 1? There must be more sissies at work in the newspaper business than in Obama’s Cabinet although I hear at the Capitol building there’s a groundswell of opinion to take down the naked pictures of a bending over Rahm Emanuel which are liberally spaced out in the locker room, just adjacent to the showers.
jinderella writes or quotes (it it not clear):
“By contrast, Hitchens, et al, who have been raised in the cradle of a Christian civilization, have imbibed a certain comfort level with the crusading notion that people can–and ought to–be saved even against their will. Hence, it does not matter if Muslim women don’t regard the burqa as oppressive. They have to be given sartorial liberation in the same way that the heathens need to be given spiritual liberation.”
Morality is not relative to culture. That is easily proved. If morality were relative to culture then MLKJr was wrong to organize protests in Alabama in the Fifties and Sixties. Someone should have told him that in the culture of Alabama African-Americans do not matter.
In the Sixties and Seventies, America learned a hard lesson and adapted to it. That lesson was that women must have the same opportunities as men. Islam stands against that lesson violently. To join civilization, Islam must free its women.
wallah, there was a link right above the quote.
umm…zombie_chan and i used to talk about stuff……the legacy code, free will, games theory and evolution, mostly.
it is not just the genes that evolve….cultures evolve…demographics evolve…….memes evolve….it is the fault of the Second Law, really….response to entropy.
i just don’t believe people can be saved against their will……i believe in free will….and my belief is founded in quantum biology and wahdat al wujud.
and i am very against meddling and proselytizing.
Our culture is evolving away from meddling….you can consider it an immune response against the disastrous Epic Fail of the Manifest Destiny of Judeo-christian Democracy in MENA (aka the Bush Doctrine.)
i think crusader culture is going extinct in America…..the naive rush to be the Superawesome World Police that landed us in Viet Nam, Iraq, and the Graveyard of Empires is waning.
We can’t afford it, and it makes everyone hate us.
i admit…i don’t understand the purpose of “draw muhammed day”….it seems to fill only two purposes….to allow westerners and christians to claim superiority of their culture, and it allows the fundamentalist hirgabi to recruit and popularize their extremist ideology.
but that is just the sort of stuff Zombie_chan and i once talked of….not of much interest to anyone else.
Jinnderella:
Wow. Putting forth all those ideas, you’ve got to know you’re meddling with other people’s beliefs. You are violating your first rule. Cut that out and stop meddling. Some peoples’ idea that human communication skills were developed to influence and lead other people into better ways of doing things and looking at things (known as proslytizing) should be left alone and not meddled with.
But hey, I’m just meddling with you. That’s what words do. Your idea that we should stop talking, coveyed to me by words, is just ridiculous and internally contradictory. So like a said, STOP MEDDLING!
one more time.
Teacher: Earth-That-Was could no longer sustain our numbers, we were so many. We found a new solar system, dozens of planets and hundreds of moons. Each one terraformed, a process taking decades, to support human life, to be new Earths. The Central Planets formed the Alliance. Ruled by an interplanetary parliament, the Alliance was a beacon of civilization. The savage outer planets were not so enlightened and refused Alliance control. The war was devastating, but the Alliance’s victory over the Independents ensured a safer universe. And now everyone can enjoy the comfort and enlightenment of true civilization.
Young River: People don’t like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don’t run, don’t walk. We’re in their homes and in their heads and we haven’t the right. We’re meddlesome.
what has “draw muhammed day” accomplished? christians and western culture chauvinists pat themselves on the back somemore and the fundies and hirgabis get a bunch of angry YOUNG recruits that feel humiliated by western cultural mores.
simply full of win for the bad guys.
The tedious screed missed the point entirely.
The violent attack occurred in SWEDEN.
The author, by listing the obligatory abuses of the Christian Church centuries ago, must be assuming that the reader is unintelligent and bereft of common sense.
That’s what J.E. Dyer was trying to convey, I believe.
Common Sense. Use It.
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But what about his brothers, Larry Hammad and Curly Hammad?
You forgot Shemp Hammad. But I like the way your mind works. Now put it in a drawing.
And don’t forget . . . Curly Joe Hammad
I saw Moe doing the Borscht Belt back in the ’50′s. He killed with that Turban and scimitar. “Take my six wives. Please.” Side-splitting. We laughed our heads off. Like I say he killed. But I have to say this also. Sometimes he bombed.
Mr. Z:
An excellent piece. I would only add that taking the anti-free speech zealots at their word, that they really are offended by “offensive speech,” whatever that is, is an assumption that most humans being so accused have no way of proving. Is the person claiming offense really offended, or is he or she just using phony outrage as a contrived means to “get over” on the other side?
This whole thread shows me nothing else that we are up against some 7th Century Christian emulators from Arabia, who, like Pepsi, saw a template that worked and then tried to adapt it to their own backwater cultures (but with the key to Christ’s success, the “Golden Rule,” entirely missing — where also in the Koran is “Love your Neighbor as yourself”?). But in opposing us they’ve got to know, in their hearts, that in an all out street brawl they can’t expect to beat the victors of WWI, WWII and the Cold War (in which none of the Muslim countries had much of a part, not even at Tobruk or El Alamein, though later they did have a part in the Cold War against the Shah of Iran and the Russians in Afghanistan). So absent real power the only tool they’ve got, but only as long as we let it work, is phony outrage at the Western view of Mohammad, who we see with all his historical warts. (Somebody point out a comparable wart on the historical image of Jesus — He used a whip at the Temple?).
First step then is not to give Muslims any credibility when they claim outrage. Just treat such contrived attitudes as the phony posturing that it is, being offered up as a lame excuse for failure, by a bankrupt and militarily exhausted philosophy (and an inaccuarate copy-cat philosophy at that) that hopefully has run its course.
To your point that 90% of Westerners don’t care a fig about Mohammad, I would add that at least 50% of us don’t care a fig about Christ or any other Religious Icon, with many “Christians” conforming for appearances sake only. Though I cannot know for sure, and Islam is much younger than Christianity, meaning their attitudes are comparable to Christian attitudes in the 13th-14th Centuries (200 years prior to the Reformation) probably a good plurality of Muslims don’t know much about or care much about Mohammad either, being involved in just trying to live their lives. But this ties back into my first point.
Fair is fair then.South park is not allowed to show depictions of Jesus.You are defacing Christianity.You also cant spell the word G-d since that offends jewish folk.They dont believe you should right down G-d’s name.Feel free to correct this if im wrong.Facebook better crackdown on all the free Palestine sites because its offensive to Israelis.While we are at it, no one is allowed to make fun of Hindus because they consider the cow sacred.Better withdraw the washington Redskins name because i fond offensive toward native americans.the Atlanta Braves also.How dare you use native pics for your sports teams!
Rachel @ 117.: “The only edge I have, besides high ground, is two M1919A4 30 caliber machine guns set up to provide a field of interlocking fire at the old homestead. As you know, the 1919A4 has been known known to shred even the heads of Islamic radicals. Not only do I tend to take moderation to the extreme, but I’ve been known to stretch the second amendment wider than even the wingspan of Michelle’s outstretched arms.”
Right on, Ms. R. And may I add the combined efforts of Messrs. Glock, Colt and Mossberg to the stand.
And to Bohemond @ 119.: ROFL!
Mohammed can lick the soles of my dirty work boots after I walk through a hog farm.
@ Skeeziks. Maybe you’ve noticed “conservatives” give you their resumé because you go around telling them how backwards you think they are? It seems like a natural reaction to your endless stream of ad hominem attacks concerning the educational level of people that read Pajamas Media. I never have people read my their accomplishments largely because I don’t travel around the interwebs telling people how superior I think I am. Take for example your response to post number 110 “You must be a nephew. Geez Louise, it’s like watching a Bush town hall.” or Response to post 112 where you assume that everyone here is upset about Obama’s skin colour, or for family values candidates. I’m a libertarian, as are many people who post here. The truth is, you can’t have it both ways; you can’t call people stupid or racist, and then try to play the “elitist” card when you find out they’ve got more under their belt than you. It is your condescending attitude towards others who disagree with you that have earned you our disapproval, whack-a-mole.
In order to help you out, take a look ate what I said in post #102 “I agree 100% with your remarks concerning provocation lying in the eyes of the beholder. A lot of the problem, in my opinion, is that many Moslems have not been able to adapt to modernity at all; the violent backlash we see concerning every slight provocation is an attempt by an “honour” culture to force modernity to adapt to them. They don’t like the rules, so they want to change the game.” You should do something similar. Make a post that is related to the article. If you have nothing to add but elitism and then cries of reverse-elitism, find another hobby, whack-a-mole.
I’m not the one hawking my college transcripts around here, and yet you say I’m elitist. I’ve called out detractors of the Civil Rights Act. I’ve called out fools who support the ability of someone on the no-fly list to buy guns. I called out the obsequious bench warmers screened and filling Bush “town halls.” I called out a woman’s right to choose and the hypocrisy of family values promise/oath keepers. I called you out for inaccurately conflating me with other posters. All unassailable. I never called anybody stupid, but I’m thinking of changing my policy on that.
You’re out of your depth, college boy. I suggest a bit more time on the Google.
Hi, Delia, how’s life treatin” ya?
Like I said previously. You’ve added nothing to the conversation except your own paranoid delusions. When you assail other people for being uneducated, as I said before, you should expect them to respond. Unfortunately you are one of the nouvelle left that wants snark without accepting the responsibilities that come with it. You’ve proven nothing. Comment on the article or quite trolling. If you say someone is racist, you should be prepared to provide evidence. If you claim that others are unintelligent Principal le skeeziks whack-a-troll, then you should expect a rebuttal. As I said previously, you pretended like you were the elitist holding court amongst a bunch of unwashed hillbillies. Then, when someone calls you on it, you say they just want to spread their resumé around. You can’t have it both ways; pick one position and stick with it.
As for using google as a method to do research, I doubt that that is the best avenue. Maybe you should try books? (That must sting coming from some of the unchosen at PM.) Or, as I’ve said a million times now, try experiencing something other than your parent’s basement. Then post on that.
“When you assail other people for being uneducated, as I said before, you should expect them to respond.”
When did I do that? On the contrary, I’m mocking you for flopping out your hifalutin college learnin’. I know you wished you’d never said it, but you did. And when you make such an elitist suggestion that you’re smarter than anyone else, well, you should expect them to respond.
Really, you should stop. Your words are your own worst enemy. Perhaps another degree or two, maybe learn Portuguese, anything but argumentation. Wait, maybe they offer a major in debate at Liberty University. I’ll look into for you and forward some tuition ad fee info. You ARE a Christian, right?
“so step right up, all your simple god-fearing people” post 112. You also called people racist in the same post. As I suggested before, you have a problem with “conservatives” showing you their resumés because you tell them they are stupid. It is all about cause and effect. You played the elitist card. Then, when you realized you weren’t dealing with someone “simple” or “racist”, then you pulled the anti-elitist card.
Actually, I teach argumentation for a living. Your juvenile ad hominem attacks will score you no points today, I’m afraid. You jumped in the bait car and parked it right in front of your house.
Wishin’ don’t make it so. “Simple” refers, in my post, to someone free from guile and vanity and ostentatious display. I don’t deny the irony attached to my use of the word, though I have every right to deny your interpretation. I wrote it, defining my terms at the outset. Moreover, you jumping to the “stupid” definition reveals one of two things: a hypersensitivity to being called dumb (which might explain your pursuit – fictitious or otherwise – of all those fancy diplomas). Or, you realized you were caught in a contradiction of spirit, claiming others to be elite while you held your education up as some proof of intellect. That’s the source of that relentless gnawing in your gut. The wise course of action wold be admit your inconsistencies and presumptions and move on. That’s what I would do. But you choose to up the ante by suddenly becoming a teacher of argumentation! And an astronaut! And a rocket surgeon!
Such is the deficit of conservative character. Delusion fueled by self righteous moralizing and presumptive analysis. Thankfully, there are many of us on the other side who see conservatism for what it is and always will be . . . child’s play.
Here, I’ll show you . . . the fist time my name appeared in this post it was written by you, suggesting I had a chip on my shoulder and that I should go to France. I hadn’t even posted anything at that point. So, if you’re looking for an example of an ad hominem attack for your simple students to consider, I suggest using that.
So, you either wasted your money on all those degrees, or you’re just plain fucking stupid. You tell me, which is it?
Trolls only exist because people feed them.
These people will troll regardless of how much attention they get. I find it much better to bait them somewhere and let them direct their bile there instead of spending the time wrecking other perfectly good threads. They’re usually not bright enough not to go for it and it frees up a lot of the conversation.
Come down off the cross, we need the wood.
Wow, I have never found a more profound example of what has gone so terribly wrong in this country than Principal and Skeeziks, people who tell everyone what they should do but have absolutely no compassion for other people. They want all the liberties and none of the responsibilities of this country. These are the people who walk by an alley and see a child being gang raped and don’t even pause to call the police. “This isn’t my problem; maybe in this neighborhood little children expect to be gang raped.”
Let me instruct you in a basic moral imperative. If you have freedom and wealth then you have responsibilities. Get a dictionary and look up that last work. I expect you may not know the meaning.
“They want all the liberties and none of the responsibilities of this country.” Exactly. This sums up a lot of the problems with the west’s new delayed adulthood. People want to extend childhood and its legally enshrined lack of responsibilities well past the appropriate date. It’s fine to mooch off of hotel mama when you are 16; when you are 36 and still can’t handle life’s responsibilities, it’s a problem. This, coincidentally, covers a lot of what ails Europe. They want to lead a good life, they just don’t want to take the responsible decisions that are required to get there.
And, as far as the “not our problem” people are concerned, that is why I suggest that Skeeziks le Grouche move to France. The real disappearance of some western values in large western countries is a cause for worry. I would recommend, in addition to Zombie’s posts, that everyone read Mark Steyn’s “America Alone.” It is a chilling tale about what the near future could look like.
“Wow, I have never found a more profound example of what has gone so terribly wrong in this country than Principal and Skeeziks, . . . ”
Well then clearly you’re not paying attention. Let me ask you, what’s worse, a poster on a blog who you disagree with or a radical right wing Christian extremist walking into a church and killing a doctor?
I know, it’s a tough decision, it involving morality and all. Tell you what, you think about that for awhile and get back to me.
A man who kills a doctor is bad, so is a doctor who aborts human embryos, for he too is a murderer, one who has forsaken his Hippocratic oath. A captious, hypocritical commentator is bad, for he attempts to murder logic and honesty in conversation.
But far worse is the leftist dictator, his mind befuddled with a will to power cloaked in Marxist blather, who kills tens of millions. A Hitler could only aspire to become a Stalin, and yet the latter has many apologists among progressives and their fellow-travelers, who themselves aspire to wield that dictator’s power and to suppress all who disagree with them.
“for he too is a murderer’ . . . not according to the law. Don’t like the law, change it. anything short of that is homicide.
So by your logic the Holocaust wasn’t murder, because the laws of Germany at the time are what facilitated it.
muhammad sux donkey dicks…all terrorists are muslim…
Moe Hamud, wasn’t he one of the Three Stooges ?
I am tempted to give you “best of thread.” It would depend on whether it slipped your mind that Larry, Moe, and Curly Joe were Jews; or whether you were relishing in the irony. In the latter case, you win hands down.
The essential point about Islam is that from day one it’s been all about total supremacy, of Muslims over non-Muslims, and men over women, with a mindset that an omnipotent God has spoken only to their Prophet, who now rules from the grave via an infallible book, and all non-believers are not only wrong but enemies of their God. Hence mere insults to Islam are treated with death. In this shrinking world, this insane intolerant supremacist ideology must go, it really must go, and all Westerners need to unite to oppose it in all shapes and forms.
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Allah Akbar means Allah is greatest. The moon god is greatest of all other 359 gods at the Kabba, not omnipotent.
You can find the moon god in other pagan religions, as the son of the Sun god. Or, the son of Lucifer. Christians call him the AntiChrist.
What an absolutely great article! And I enjoyed reading all the comments. How inspiring to see and feel all that righteous American anger. Look out, Muslim Mafia–we bite back!
Re: #44 from Original #36
To: (lack of) Principle Levine
Are we not involved in two occupations at the same time?
You claim two occupations…..let me ask you…. how many times in history has any country occupied another and then had open elections? If it is your opinion that we have OCCUPIED any other country, it is just that…..your opinion. The fact is that we have LIBERATED, not occupied, two countries.
As far as the rest of your comment, it makes no sense. I refer back to my initial delusional reply.
If your sur name is really Levine, and you are a Jew, then my original response to you is indisputable. Fight for these people and they might thank you before separating your head from your body. Forget about being delusional, you are a buffoon.
As of today 21 May 2010 that specific f-book page is down
Obama wanted me to ask if any of you aspiring artists know how to paint oil green?
Please send resume to the Dept. of Environmental and Energy Independence-
Gulf Division.
Thank you Delia.
Most poor African men are raping children to avoid AIDS rather than blow themselves up in America on behalf of Islam.
Most racist retards go out of there way to tone down their bigoted fantasy bile-excretion. Its good to know what you’re dealing with, I say. Now, if you’ll excuse me, i’m going to find a stick to try to dislodge the more gooey bits of your excremental essence from the nooks and crannies of my tennies.
Most retards go out of there way….
there / their……makes no difference.
There is a retard here alright.
Lack of principle whateveryournameis,
Why don’t you go back to Puffington Host where you belong hmmmmm?
Principal head-in-sand, you are sadly misinformed about what is happening in other parts of the world, in REAL TIME:
South Africa’s shame: the rise of child rape
If the TRUTH is racist, name-call away, pokey Joe.
This Principal Levine creature pretends to be able “to teach the wrold about perfection,” and that perfection is his image of himself.
Obtuse clown. Perfection is unattainable. Therefore, one never goes out to teach the rest of the world what to do and how to do it, because one should only be concerned with their own search for perfection. Get it, idiot? Its you morons who are going out half-baked trying to teach the world how to behave, with bombs, bullets and bigotry.
Wow, I have never found a more profound example of what has gone so terribly wrong in this country than Principal and Skeeziks, people who tell everyone what they should do but have absolutely no compassion for other people.
I limit my compassion for other people to the misery my tax dollars pay for. I wish I had time and energy for other kinds of compassion. Unfortunately, our wars keep my occupied with full time compassion for every single family we murder at a wedding. Sorry, we’re hunting wabbits and you got in the way, just doesn’t cut it anymore, you inhuman fool.
Well, those 10000 killed, those same 10000 you weep crocodile tears for, could as well have been 10000 rage boys for all I know or care for that matter.
Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t know we were funding this phenomenon. Rather than get upset about something you have no control over, why don’t you get upset about those 10,000 killed. WHICH YOU KILLED THROUGH YOUR GOVERNMENT’s policies. Disgusting fools, all of you.
Principal Levine are you back again?
I thought you promised to shake the dust from your feet and be through, yes truly through with those such as us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yLRmo7CjU
Go, and never darken our towels again!
There once was a man named Levine
His mental acuity was far from keen
Though he has plenty of cheek
His arguments are weak.
With the scent of fully digested navy bean
Outstanding analysis! Finally someone who gets it! Really well-written, thank you. I am saving a copy of this excellent essay for future reference. It’s not about Mohammad, it’s about the freedom to say and draw what we like without being threatened with death as “infidels” by animals that just came out of the stone age in 1975.
As far as I’m concerned the fastest way to eliminate this kind of bullshit is for every man, woman and child to wear a T-shirt with a picture of Mohammad on it for a few days. Let them try and kill everybody.
Ha, Don. Heaven forbid someone bring a little thought into the weenie roast you’ve set up on the bonfire of our country. One day, when you people finally regain your senses, you’ll realize that you were staring into your bellybuttons while your country fell down around you. And then, of course, it will be someone else’s fault. Isn’t that the American way. Blame the [insert group here].
Hey Levine (PBUH), buddy…you’re back! I took you seriously when you said you were done with us. Silly me.
BTW, the way you’re absolutely right. Bringing a little thought to an argument is important.
Glad we can count on you pal.
Re#103 Quote: “Fine. I’m done here”
See also posts 105, 106, 107, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138….
Heh
Rossignol. My point exactly.
How can we miss Levine (PBUH) if he never leaves?
I’m never inviting him to my house. He’ll move in with his 23 cats and his excessively played “Noam Chomksy Slays at the Catskills” record.
Besides, his mom would miss him.
Well, I’d miss him and his islamist apologist ilk. It can get dull reading the posts of the non-unhinged. (the hinged?)
Silly me.
The first reasonable thing you’ve said all day.
Announcing Show Mohammed Day June 3rd: Rallys in Celebration of Freedom of Speech & Religion.
Hi,
I liked your writing about Everybody Draw Mohammed Day. I hadn’t expected much to come of that event once the instigator
canceled it and there was no organized effort for rally’s in support of it. Little did I know there were so many in favor of censorship
that would arise and capture the day instead. I’d planned to to announce the new event yesterday on the wall of the
Everybody Draw Mohammed day facebook page.. only to discover when I was ready that it had disappeared. I thought it would be back
today but since it isn’t I need to find other ways to get the word out to suggest people being organizing real world rally’s in support
of freedom of speech and religion. I was hoping you might consider helping announce and spread the word about the group.
The facebook page is at
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Show-Mohammed-Day/121228857900451
and a backup of the welcome page is at
http://www.showmohammed.com/
Unfortunately with the Everybody Draws Mohammed facebook page and its > 100,000 people following it perhaps having been censored.. I seem
to be suddenly starting from scratch to find sources to spread the word.
thanks.
Ha. It would only be in this space where the oldest philosophies of the founders—don’t screw with other people, and keep your mind on your own business—would be ridiculed as Chomskyesque, lol. Yeah, that Jefferson, what a commie. You have no idea of history, of current events and, most importantly, of moral principles. You’re literally hateful brain stems wandering around and bumping into each other with bigoted prose.
Hey Levy (PBUH), buddy! Good to hear from you again. I thought this time you really left us. Whew, that was too close!
Hope you don’t mind that I call you Levy (PBUH). Now that we’ve become pals I thought you wouldn’t mind if used a more familiar appellation. You may call me DonB71inWA.
Sorry I can’t continue to exchange convivial bon mots, but hey it’s Friday night! I have a date with a lovely lady. Very dry martinis and very wet kisses.
Levy (PBUH) I have an idea (no, it’s not let’s put on a musical in the backyard). You should go out too. Hey pal, it’s Friday! Let’s paaaarty (no, not Communist-stop that)!
Hey, if you’re having trouble finding someone of the female persuasion…check out Code Pink. I hear they have a lot single woman. Most with years of experience. I also hear some of them are switch hitters so you could get lucky *wink, wink*. Just think of it. Soft breezes, moonlight reflecting off the protest sign, the Internationale wafting softly in the background. Just you, her and your cats.
Some pointers so the evening goes smoothly. Ask permission before doing anything, even just to look at her (don’t bring your eyeglasses-you’ll both be happier). You may want to bring a pen in case she whips out a contract regarding appropriate inter-species contact. Dress in your best hemp fabric outfit (extra points for recent laundering). If conversation lags just go to those old reliables evil multi-national corporations, George W. Bush and the oppression of the transgendered.
One last caution. If she urinates standing up get ready for a wild evening.
Hey buddy, just don’t forget to have fun. I can’t wait to hear the war stories tomorrow!
To modify an old joke, what is the difference between Principal le Grouche and an Englishman? The Englishman leaves without saying goodbye, and the Principal says goodbye without leaving.
This was seriously funny though.
well zombie_chan.
draw muhammed day is over. are you pleased with results?
This is what i saw.
Pakistani mil-tyrants shut down the internet, and islamic fundie recruiters farmed new recruits.
Great job.
Because they certainly weren’t mad at us a few days ago. I guess draw-Mohammed day was what done it. Had we abstained from drawing Mohammed, it would have been all rainbows and kittens and apple strudel. I guess, in the future, we can blame WWIII on Zombie.
9/11 happened because of DMD too! Muslims honor kill their wives and daughters because of DMD! Muslims molest little boys because of DMD! Down with Draw Mohammad Day and save da world! If only it was this easy.
Oh no’s! The Pakistanis shut down the internet? Ooooooh, it’s all that bad Crusader Zombie’s fault! And recruited new fundamentalists! (Jindooo, of course, is an expert on Pakistani affairs! She knows what happens there, every day, and she knows more fundamentalists have joined, because of this very thing!)
Like Pakistan didn’t have fundamentalists already. Like the Moslem world lurved us so much, before the Mo’toons. (Remember 9/11, Jindy? No Mo-toons going around then.)
Jindy’s recommendation for world peace! “Stop being Crusaders, get down on your knees and start smooching Moslem backside! Send the Islamic world more taxpayer money, let Islam dictate popular culture and maybe we should blow up Israel, and India too, and then they love us!”
Then, indeed, we will have rainbows, kittens, apple strudel, and the sky will rain gummy bears.
No deal, I hate gummy bears.
Um, Principal Levine, you are aware that Jefferson dealt rather harshly with the Barbary Pirates, aren’t you?
He was all in favor of leaving others alone—as long as they left us alone.
(Yes, jinndy-chan, we know, we know. . . Jefferson was a bad ol’ Crusader type. And his DNA was insufficiently evolved so that he couldn’t get the messages from the kindly space beings, who want to come help us. The Mo’toons are probably all his fault. In fact, it’s Jefferson’s fault that Moslems originally became radicalized. Let’s all blame the founding fathers. If they hadn’t existed, Islam would never have become radicalized, and we’d all be singing “I’d like to buy the worrrrlllld a coke!”, or maybe “Kum-bay-yah.”
Um, Principal Levine, you are aware that Jefferson dealt rather harshly with the Barbary Pirates, aren’t you?
Oh, did he kill eight hundred civilians a year for eight years as well?
Hey Levy (PBUH) buddy! How did it go last night?
Don’t hold back pal. Tell us were you liberator or liberatee?
Levy (PBUH), pal. I just realized that if your night had all the romance of a Margaret Sanger lecture you might be too embarassed to ask me about mine. So I’ll tell you!
It was a Roman theme. Italian food. My date loves long and large rigatoni with mussels. Whoo boy can she slurp those noodles!
After dinner back to my place. I crossed her Tiber and followed her Appian Way. Then…vidi, vici, veni…in that order.
So maybe your evening wasn’t quite as reproductive. But don’t despair pal! I’m sure you made Paul Erhlich happy.
The glorious satire factory of the people claims another victim.
Demon rum? Sex outside of marriage? What has become of this great Christian nation of our? (Sorry, Jacob, you’re not part of our great nation, you being a Jerusalemite and all.) I think you should have a conversation with your priest, you ow, one of those little holes that you . . . “speak” through. Once you’ve cleansed your soul, you can return to the fold of righteous standard bearers for true family and American values. Until then, well, I’m afraid i can’t consort with the fallen.
So who killed eight hundred civilians a year for eight years.
Be sure to provide proof.
My point was that Jefferson was quite willing to be tolerant, and leave others alone, as long as they left us alone. When they didn’t, he had no problems whatsoever with going to war. So he wasn’t quite the pushover/pacifist guy you’re making him out to be. And you’re trying to move the goalposts by bringing in—George Bush, I suppose?(And can you provide some links for that 800 civilians a year statistic, and provide some backup for your accusation?)
Jinddy, and the professor, take the “battered wife” approach to Islam. According to them, we are to behave like a battered wife, with regards to Islam: contantly apologize, constantly placate, cajole, appease and please our surly “spouse”, never offend him in any way and blame ourselves whenever anything goes wrong.
(When 9/11 occurred, we hadn’t sent troops to Iraq, or Afghanistan; in fact, Bush wasn’t even president when the plot began to be hatched. We had helped Moslems in Kosovo and liberated Kuwait, as well as sending bazillions of dollars in foreign aid to Egypt, the PLO, and, yes, Pakistan. It wasn’t enough. It never will be enough. An abusive spouse cannot be made happy. They’ll always find something. The appeasement approach doesn’t work out that well for battered women, and it won’t work for the West.)
“It would only be in this space where the oldest philosophies of the founders—don’t screw with other people”
Good advice. The Baathists should have thought about that before they screwed with Kuwait, and the Taliban/Al Qaida should have thought about that before they screwed with us.
Same thing for Muslims who think they can screw with people who make pictures of their child-molestor “prophet”. Better watch who you screw with, might turn around and bite you someday.
#125 – the vanquishing blow, the death knell, the nail in the coffin . . . I love the smell of victory in the morning. smells like . . . napalm.
The only thing you’ve proven is that you don’t have a principled position to take. Trolls always take the bait; it all reeks of your OCD, though any similarity to the smell of napalm is your judgement call.
As I pointed out before; you have a habit of calling people other people simple: a typical elitist position. When you are confronted with evidence that you aren’t dealing with simpletons, you immediately jump to calling me elitist. Which one is it? As I pointed out, your political philosophy doesn’t have room for you to take personal responsibility for your beliefs. You are a simply a self-obsessed troll with a lack of real world experience. I’ll repeat myself. Perhaps you find that so many “conservatives” give you their resumé because you have a habit of calling them stupid. You can call people hillbillies all you want; but then you shouldn’t blow a couple of skid marks in your pantaloons when you find out you were wrong. The same for claiming that people here are racist; don’t screw the race card pooch when you find out you are dealing with people who have far more experience with people from the Middle East than you.
Pick a position and stick with it.
The only thing you’re smelling in the morning is your own mental flatulence, gas bag.
The Principal Liar… moho.
What’s the Principal thing, anyway, moho? Another attempt to reconstruct glory years? Or could all these ID’s be your pet names for that long lost appendage that was blown off during the Wannabe Jihad underwear bomb prototype phase that you volunteered for. You know, real Jihadists can be quite cruel.
“You people”
139. Principal Levine
One day, when you people finally regain your senses
May 21, 2010 – 2:04 pm
Well, well, Onan the Wannabe Jihadist checks in right on time. This time as The Principal Liar. Couple LOLs, a “you people”, and an “I’m laughing” and the bigoted bigot assigning Wonder of Cesspool Life comes sewaging forth like a Harry Belafonte dummy doll on a good day. Which begs the question, can good days be had while waiting for the next flush for sustenance that never comes?
It’s so nice to have a funhouse mirror made of tinfoil, right, The Principal Liar? Think of it, the potential, the infinite possibilities – crumple it up, unfold, look into it, and there you have it! A new personality! The Principal Liar! But this is a one trick dog. Kyber wishes only that all others roll over, and not just play dead, but to be dead – preferably by some Jihad Hate USA Grand Karma Induced Tax Pay Supported Third World Wooden Spear scenario. Jaavvveellliiinn!
What will The Principal Liar sleazits moho Diablo Brian N. _____________ Whatever Modern Liberal Liar do without “you people” donating via flushing to the Modern Liberal Cesspool? The kindness of dead strangers only goes so far…
The obligatory “you people” from The Principal Liar.
139. Principal Levine
“One day, when you people finally regain your senses…”
May 21, 2010 – 2:04 pm
skeeziks
“Just so you know, I mean, it’s only fair to tell you. I’m worse than a liar. I’m Satan, the Horn-ed One, and I’m here to infiltrate your righteousness”.
May 14, 2010 – 7:32 am
35. skeeziks:
“By all means, set aside your principles and your true convictions in favor plausible deniability. You people are such chickenshits.No wonder nobody respects you.”
Jan 30, 2010 – 12:55 pm
14. Diablo
“You people are two sides of the same sick coin. Keep lapping up the claptrap from your dope fiend idol.”
April 23, 2010 – 4:48 pm
42. dahbouv
“You people don’t get hypocrisy and why that is bad …”
April 24, 2010 – 8:23 am
Hypocrisy????? Really now!
108. avoidswork.
“You people realize that ACORN…”
Jan 27, 2010 – 1:19 pm
139. Moho:
“I could lie about it from here to next Thursday, what difference would it make?
Nov 4, 2009 – 8:01 pm
38. moho
“…you people… “.
Jan 8, 2010 – 5:38 pm
1. American Muslim
“When will you people face reality?
The Big Begging Bossy Dog.
69. skeeziks
“You people are children. You remind me of my granddaughter who yesterday got caught feeding chocolate to Kyber our dog. She knows she’s not supposed to do that. She said, “You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.’”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
skeeziks
“And now I must beg you to keep it a secret…”
May 14, 2010 – 7:32 am
107. skeeziks:
To Ron Radosh,
Come on, man, that dictator rant to goy was absolute gold. Nothing in there that was objectionable. Why’d you block it?
Jan 29, 2010 – 11:10 am
The Bigoted Homophobe.
skeeziks
“The relentless lies, crying and self righteous moralizing of the Tea Baggers…”
April 30, 2010
Military Hating Bigot.
30. skeeziks
“Actually, it’s a Deployed Retard bracelet.”
Feb 11, 2010 – 6:09 pm
Van Jones Love and More Contradiction Bigot.
94. Moho.
“My son’s a bit old to be looking for a mentor, and I doubt Van Jones will be mentoring him since he’s in the marines and currently stationed in Iraq.”
Sep 4, 2009 – 8:43 pm
The Bigot Bigot – with Hillbilly Bigot Refresher.
143. Principal Levine
“…don’t screw with other people, and keep your mind on your own business…”
“… with bigoted prose.
May 21, 2010 – 6:04 pm
98. skeeziks.
“…stop buying Hillbilly Heroine from your maid”
Jan 27, 2010 – 7:49 am
252. Moho
“Malingering hillbillies…”
Nov 27, 2009 – 10:28 am
Kyber Tripping.
72. Principal Levine
“Collar too Tight.”
May 20, 2010 – 1:35 pm
The Big Wish.
60. skeeziks:
‘Stop the fight, Ref’ . . . I think you have me confused with Sarah Palin.
Jan 29, 2010 – 11:13 am
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
Run with le Principal le Liar, it’s all you have. Whatever.
Did you see your shadow this morning?
If a liar barks lies in a cesspool, will that make them true?
Yeah, honesty is a bitch isn’t it, The Principal Liar le sleazits.
Hey, dig that Peter Max Liar t-shirt with the Kick Me option nailed to your ass.
Very stylish.
Another name. Another day. Another lie.
Bark it up Bro. How about Lyin’ Eyes? Get all your personalities together and with BarkTune and you’ll get there.
Love this line too – “I never called anybody stupid…” Really? Need a reminder?
You made your cesspool. Love it or leave it.
Whatever.
“The prosecution rests its case, your Honour.”
There is no honor in your life. You have to make it up like the rest of the stuff you believe. Your contortions do nothing advance your claims. And your protestations comport only with the midnight ramblings of state hospital escapees like Mr. Lucky, who can’t imagine any two people in the world using the word hillbilly, and chronic depressives like Delia, forced into the distractions of accusation and vitriol by unrequited love. What, not fair of me? How could I possibly know? You’ve been outed, scooter. No position. No evidence. Stick to lesser challengers.
Sleazits says, “There is no honor in your life. You have to make it up like the rest of the stuff you believe.’
Gee sleazits _____________________ Whatever, whomever, you almost sound hurt over all this. Why isn’t Principal Liar appealing with a similar protest of purity? Where are all the others? Moho, Now and Then, Alice Nolin, American Muslim, Original Child Bomb, avoidswork, Brian N., Aussie Muslim Oscar le grouche, Gould’s Ghost, Javvvveeliiinnnn to name a few.
Where have they been the last year and a half? Gosh, you would think that at least someone besides sleazits would protest their innocence – at least once. A least once. Why not, liar? And they all disappear, just like clockwork, never to appear again… Then another comes alive, just like that!
Here’s one, that all it takes, liar. Explain this to the wider world beyond the Cesspool. Do you spell hillbilly like this? –
“Hail Rush, Go Sarah”.
Funny isn’t it how the PJM archives are just there! No doubt edited specifically to show what a liar you are. Have a look for yourself, you’ll find this strange usage and spelling of hillbilly quite often. Like this -
Filmmaker Who Outed ACORN in Prostitution Sting Arrested
January 26, 2010
- by Dan Riehl
129. skeeziks:
Hail Rush! Go Sarah!
Jan 28, 2010 – 7:51 am
Palin Mainstreams the Birthers
December 4, 2009
- by Rick Moran
111. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah.
Dec 4, 2009 – 1:23 pm
Hey, it’s all over the PJM archives, that funny usage and spelling of hillbilly. “Hail Rush, Go Sarah”. I’m sure many, many, many people spell hillbilly just like this – “Hail Rush, Go Sarah”. And we all use that phrase repeatedly.
Need more, liar. Shall we move on to the most common of sleazits phrases, “You people”?
In you own words, ” No evidence.” Really now.
And at 158. skeeziks -
Where’s the “Hail” and “Go”? for “Rush and Sarah.” Hmmmm. Need help? “Hail Rush, Go Sarah”. “Pretty simple.” As you note.
You made your cesspool, love it or leave it.
Whatever.
I know that I’m completely off topic now, however…….. We should all make a caricature of mohammed on adhesive paper and paste it on the bottom of our shoe. That way we can show the Moslem world how much we love them. Then wear it as we walk about. Watch where you step, it might be in dog poop. Pig farmers get a special blessing to do this well. Lots of love folks!
Andy, how was that off-topic? Great idea! Only, instead of bothering with adhesive paper & paste, just use a good ol’ sharpie and draw it directly on the sole. Is that soulless of me?
Delia, I didn’t think that anyone could better me. You did girl! Keep it up!
I know Molly Norris. She is my friend and my former college student. I also live at ‘ground-zero’ of the EDMD, Seattle, WA: FRACAS-CITY.
Molly Norris sent her now infamous cartoon to Dan Savage, national blogger, and sex advice columnist for “The Stranger,” Seattle’s alternative weekly. Although Molly asked Savage to withdraw her cartoon, he ran with it for his own agenda; EBMD on Facebook.
For those of you unfamiliar with the antics of Dan Savage, let me give just one example: he publicly boasted ‘attempting to infect a Republican public figure with his flu virus!’ Do your homework: (this from a professor); then decide if this is REALLY the cause for which so many people have suffered lately.
Although I can’t speak for Molly Norris personally, I can tell you that her original intention has been wildly compromised. I was horrified to see the bigotry and hatred, and even violence spurned by all the depictions of EBDM.
I am ashamed to be an American. I feel great compassion for those who have been scape-goated by the antics of fundamentalists and fanatics from the full spectrum of the political agenda. What good can come from juvenile, mean-spirited cartoons that incite violence and further censorship?
“We the people” are ALL reasoned people who, from whatever religion or politic, who respect each other enough to have a dialogue. “They” are all the fanatics who hope to win, ‘by any means necessary–’ even violent means.
This isn’t ‘free expression:’ this is Political-correctness! Ironically, this ‘blogger-fest’ dares to quote Ghandi, the champion of Non-violent protest, while inciting violence through hate speech. Political-correctness IS censorship because it is about AGENDAS, NOT FREEDOM. It is ALWAYS about AGENDAS, NOT PEOPLE.
Do you honestly believe that this will somehow liberate humans from the barbaric acts of fanatics (of every religion), or further the cause for freedom?
Here’s a question for my next quiz: Does anybody remember why we were looking for Osama Bin Laden, or where he’s hiding-out now? (HINT: probably not on FB)
The Front Porch Talker
MY SECOND POST ON SAME SUBJECT: I KNOW MOLLY NORRIS
I know Molly Norris, both as a friend and as my former college student. I also live in Seattle, WA, ground-zero for the ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed’ cartoon she created.
I believe this issue has morphed into something more than The First Amendment Right: it is about Political-correctness, which has now reached a critical mass.
Although I can’t read a cartoonist’s mind (yet), but after reading over 2,000 blogs on the subject, I believe that neither Molly Norris nor anybody else could have predicted the firestorm of vituperative commentary and protests—for and against how our ‘First Amendment’ Rights should be expressed and against whom.
I am certain that Molly Norris did not intend to offend Muslims and has apologized profusely for having done so, believing naively perhaps, that this is our primo American Right.
However, This is not the first time (or the last) our freedom of expression has become incendiary, either (when the Ku Klux Klan expressed their “right” to march in the Jewish suburb of Skokie, IL; Rodney King and LA riots, for eg.).
Political-correctness, however, is the bigger issue, I believe. As a practice, post-seventies, this is nothing less than propaganda in action. Political correctness aims to censor us all: to say what sounds right, instead of what is right; to say that all opinions are diverse and equal, rather than some opinions have been earned through educating ourselves first.
Just because everybody CAN say whatever they wish, without the responsibility of using their real names, or the chance to respond in a reasoned dialogue, doesn’t mean that they should, as Molly Norris, in fact, did.
I know I sound like a Luddite here, but the internet network of blogs, Face Book, and the like have taken political-correctness to new heights, without all the original fuss-and-muss of speaking to each other in person, and owning what we say.
The Front Porch Talker
I beleive that the religion of Islam is pathological in that it is diseased thinking. We need to have movements like this that force muslims to react in order to break through the ignorance. The Muslim world needs to go through Reformation and Enlightenment in order to be rid of the philosophy of antiquity. Anything that the West can do to facilitate the collapse of the pathology needs to be embraced. This is not about convertig muslims to Christianity.
The West went hrough a great synthesis of thought that Isalm, in its insular pathology, ignored. If one reads Russell Kirk’s Roots of American Order or Jeffery Hart’s Smiling through Cultural Catastrophe, you will understand the true intelectual inheritance that we posses in the US. That being said, if you read Noam Chomsky and Saul Alinsky, you need to move to a “no-go zone” in France like the fellow said.
Islam is not acceptable to the West and I personally revile its tenets and the opression that it requires.
The Monster Mosque at Ground Zero
As the ninth anniversary of the darkest day in American history approaches, some people are saying that it’s time to move on from September 11th, 2001.
Daisy Khan says, “We need to take the 9/11 tragedy and turn it into something very positive.”
Something very positive, Ms. Khan? What could ever be positive about a day on which thousands of Americans and others were murdered in an unprovoked sneak attack on American soil by maniacal Islamic terrorists?
To clarify, Daisy Khan is executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement and wife of a local imam. She concluded that “very positive” statement by adding, “It will also serve as a major platform for amplifying the silent voice of the majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with extremist ideologies.”
The “it” was a reference to plans to build a 13 story “monster mosque” at 45 Park Place in New York City, . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1697)
And my final challenge on this topic to you all . . . draw up a nasty cartoon of Allah, you know, him sucking a donkey dick or eating a dog turd, something in line with your real American sense of humor . . . Then go parade in front of a few mosques in your home town. If you’re truly a patriot, you’ll put that cartoon on one side of a sandwich board, and on the other you’ll have your name and address. That’s all. Pretty simple.
OK, go stand up for America. Stand up for Jesus. Stand up for Rush and Sarah and Sean and the two Dicks. They’re doing their part for freedom and liberty and country music. Now it’s time for you to do yours.
Let me know how it goes.
So, you’re basically saying Muslims are scary, murderous thugs?
I recommend that everyone take a quick stroll through leftist blogs – try searching for any entries of “Draw Mohammad Day.” you will most likeyl find that leftists are generally opposed to the idea, which is quite telling of their personality and thought process: their hypocrisy knows no bounds; any means to an end.
RE: the update.
Wow. THAT is a winner to me as well, Z!
Love it.
Perfect depiction – fits to a tee.
Little Jenny: Mommie/Daddy what were you doing when the country fell apart?
Zombie: Well, I was performing journalism in the public interest.
Little Jenny: [brightening] Really? So you weren’t just a bitter old close-minded jerk, focusing on unimportant minutia to the exclusion of important issues like the kids at the refugee camp playground say?
Zombie: No, Jenny. Among the stories I broke, was the use of an empty field by a local school to raise produce.
Little Jenny: Excuse me?
Zombie: Yes, I followed teenagers around for days with a hidden camera, documenting the fact that they weren’t even eating the produce.
Little Jenny: Oh [stifling embarrassed tears]…but you managed to stop the wasting of state and federal funds on a useless program right?
Zombie: Well no. The program was privately funded [looking at shoes] but I did wage war against Islamic fascism.
Little Jenny: Oh, how’s that?
Zombie: Well, when some Muslims threatened to behead Americans for making ugly art about Mohammed, I sponsored a contest to draw pictures of Mohammed.
Little Jenny: Oh, so the beheadings stopped?
Zombie: Well, there were never any beheadings. Or actual violence toward any American because they drew a nasty picture of Mohammed. But that’s probably because of my contest…
Little Jenny: [crying] Oh. In the early twenty first century, when we were burning our money fighting two wars and our economy was slowly being sold to Europe and Asia, and the entire wetlands of Louisiana disaappeared, this is what you were doing?
Zombie: [beaming with pride] I know, its amazing…Jenny, put away that steak knife. Sepeku is for grown ups only.
Little Jenny… The Principal Liar sleazits. Welcome Little Jenny. Le Little Jenny. Little Jenny sleazits The Principal Liar. Little Jenny Liar. Yes indeed.
Branded. Little Jenny sleazits. With a Kick Me sign nailed to its ass.
Does Kyber know The Little Lame le Liar too? And Little Liar sleazits… mmm mmm mmm.
Whatever.
I would say something but what is the point. Not like many people here would be willing to truly listen to another point of view anyway. Conservatives are just as close minded as progresssives.
Mr Lucky. You might as well have just applauded. Indeed, nothing I wrote is untrue. This is exactly what ZOmbie has been writing about. It has been writing about it during a period I described accurately. And you idiots have been gobbling it up because you are either too stupid to understand the real issues facing us, or you simply don’t care. If I were you, I’d lie and say its the latter. But, obviously no one’s going to believe that.
Can’t you do better? Lame. Lame. Very lame.
“Little Jenny: [crying]” “…you idiots have been gobbling…” Could this be a return to Basting For Love starring the Handsome Mixed European – American Turkey With a Touch of Black?
“… you idiots…” Careful, that’s quite close to “You people”.
Anyway…
Too late Mr. Multiple Personality Le Little Jenny sleazits The Principal Liar. This is ID is on par with Javvvvvveellllinnn and Original Child Vomit.
How long will this new ID last? Oscar and Gould both had a very short half lives.
The Lame Name Game Liar is hoping to get into orbit by use of the Kick Me sign nailed to it’s ass. Boom! Then from low earth orbit, it surmises that it will get enough attention to be on Oprah. There’s hope that Oprah will donate to the Little Jenny Deprived Methane Fund, thus allowing Modern Liberal Cesspoolers the means to make everyone love all muslims and Liars.
Sounds more plausible that the Most Popular Half White Person’s economic plan. And what about that popularity contest he’s losing?
162. Principal Levine
“Little Jenny: [crying]” “Indeed, nothing I wrote is untrue.”
The need to be known… “you people”…
139. Principal Levine
“Little Jenny: [crying]” “One day, when you people finally regain your senses…”
May 21, 2010 – 2:04 pm
“Little Jenny: [crying]” ” This is exactly what ZOmbie has been writing about.”
Sure. This new Principal Liar personality has been posting here for such a long time.
“Little Jenny: [crying]” “If I were you, I’d lie…”
No kidding? Lie? You, the Paragon of Cesspool Honesty, “You people” would actually – lie? You would lie? Lie.
139. Moho:
“Little Jenny: [crying]” “I could lie about it from here to next Thursday, what difference would it make?
Nov 4, 2009 – 8:01 pm
Boom! Well, the journey of a thousand kicks starts with a single kick.
Van Jones [crying] wants to turn your raw sewage into money. He Believes In Miracles.
You made your cesspool. Love it or leave it. Whatever.
Principal Levine just what have you been doing to little Jenny. You should be ashamed of yourself! There are places for people like you. Let’s see…..Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Libya, Tunesia, Algeria, Morocco, and lots of others. Go do little Jenny there.
Damn, that cartoon is a good one, well drawn and, in one neat composition, it hits on many of the absurdities of Islam. …
On the 1964 FSM: it was only superficially related to the universal concept of free speech; it was really one of the first pushes by the Left for politically correct speech, an opening expedition in the long march through the institutions. But amidst the convulsions of the times, that truth was hard to detect.
Interesting observation, a certainty for the believer, a telling metaphor for even a non-theist: Jesus suffered mockery and still asked his father to forgive his enemies, “for they know not what they do.” Mohammed and his followers, on the other hand, come off as whiny adolescents. Not very admirable behavior for a prophet of God or the slaves who have submitted, is it now?
Andy Gump. ha, you forgot the vatican. Idiot.
Andy Gump doesn’t care if you call him an idiot. Here’s a few more places you can go to your thing or little Jenny’s: Sudan, Somalia, Afganistan, Bengladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia
and I do hope you get the malaise.
I can see why you howling mohos are so threatened by Israel.
My dog took a crap tonight, I was amazed that it looked just like Mohammed. Should I proclaim it so that you can all do a Hadj to see it. I know it was a miracle.
Andy Gump doesn’t care if you call him an idiot.
Your last post was ample proof of that.
It still doesn’t bother me.
How does it feel to be figured out, and not by me? Quick dazzle us with your eloquence! While your at it grab your Thesaurus again and go past the four letter words this time.
Mr. Lucky, when someone finally deciphers that mess, let me know. I’m sure its hilarious and cutting.
Heads UP:
After nearly 3,000 innocents were murdered on 9/11/01 while simply trying to have a decent workday, our nation moved (with the confidence and support of nearly 100 other nations) to confront those responsible and their supporters. Nearly 5,000 more lost in Iraq and another near 2,000 in Afghanistan – willingly sacrificed to advance/achieve this goal. It’s a goal that a conservative president launched, and a liberal president now supports. A liberal congress is poised to fund the effort again (and will by large margin).
Why? Because 31 million Iraqi’s are now voting to govern themselves. Another 28 million Afghans trying like hell to do the same — without fear of reprisal by murderous thugs who’s principles justify this behavior (and worse).
All on our own dime, because the UN couldn’t/wouldn’t.
All the while, keeping our nation’s borders open (much to our own pain & expense).
For the most part, not retaliating against the muslim brethren of those responsible and we welcome them to live/thrive among us as long as they follow our laws and refrain from jihad.
Also all the while respecting and protecting the FREE SPEECH of all who love/hate, any/all of the above. Thank you ZOMBIE for pointing this out so poignantly. Through efforts (and drawings) like yours, we will not become a nation of 21st century Neville Chamberlains. I’d say yes, this is all pretty darn POSITIVE.
Thank you (reluctantly) Skeeziks, and Principal L. for your volumes of opinion. Though I find your 2¢ worth less than just that, the founding fathers remind me how valuable your views truly are. By the way, my kid is in school now – just getting out of history – I’m so thankful you’ve been wrapped up here instead.
And Mr. Lucky – that is one very talented dog, hilarious indeed!
Nearly 5,000 more lost in Iraq and another near 2,000 in Afghanistan – willingly sacrificed to advance/achieve this goal. It’s a goal that a conservative president launched, and a liberal president now supports. A liberal congress is poised to fund the effort again (and will by large margin).
Of course, whoever we pointed the finger at was guilty, because our loss was so severe. Your criminal stupidity, unfortunately, seems quite common.
You are still here after a week yet you have failed to respond to my thorough refutation of your bullshit.
http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/05/20/the-new-free-speech-movement/#comment-4331
Of course, you can’t refute anything I say so you will just ignore it
Here, I’ll do it for him . . . “No, you’re the one who is stupid. Uneducated, ignorant, moronic, whatever you want to call it.”
That oughta do it.
In my belief, (you may call it religion)You mock Jesus, your answerable to Jesus, not to me.
In muslims religion you mock muhammade your answerable to his legions of killers. That is the difference between us and them.
Thanks for the ‘shuga’.
Your opinion is clearrrrly superior to anyone’s here, and now apparently you know better than two presidents, five congresses, and the governments of nearly 100 other nations.
You will be an absolute inspiration at tonight’s PTA meeting.
Once again ZOMBIE, well done.
I’m back to work now…
I’m starting to think that Islam’s wholly unnatural preoccupation with the West is a form of idolatry in and of itself
Principal Latrine I must say that you truly are a jerk and I mean that in the most discrespetful way. You have no clue of what you speak but thats ok since it’s rather enteraining to watch you keep getting your ass handed to you.
Carry on
I like to eat donkey shit and rape little boys and girls, little boys are my favorite they are so delicous, man Im so horny right now I could kill a man for his child.
You sound like Tom Foley.
Which is simply epic. Thanks for that useful post.
As a mulism myself, people seriously need to lighten up. Islam is a religion of peace and if you can’t laugh, you can’t have peace. Draw away!
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