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Rick Moran


July 19, 2014 - 10:43 am

As now seems likely, Moscow-backed separatists launched the missile that shot down a Malaysia airlines passenger plane flying near the Russian border.

Within minutes of the shootdown, rebels were on social media gloating about shooting down a Ukrainian cargo plane. But that posting, along with other damning evidence on Facebook and other sites, have been scrubbed by the rebels as they seek to cover up their involvement in the attack.

On Friday, the separatists blocked international monitors from the crash site, threatening members of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), and even firing shots to force them back. On Saturday, AP is reporting that the monitors got limited access, but that security was very tight.

Bociurkiw said the 24-member monitoring delegation was given some access Saturday to the crash site but their movements were being limited by the rebels. The site sprawls across sunflower and wheat fields between two villages in eastern Ukraine, encompassing eight square miles (20 square kilometers).

“We have to be very careful with our movements because of all the security,” Bociurkiw said. “We are unarmed civilians, so we are not in a position to argue with people with heavy arms.”

At issue for the monitors was the attempt by separatists, with the possible assistance of Russians, to remove evidence from the crash site:

The government in Kiev said militiamen have removed 38 bodies from the crash site and have taken them to the rebel-held city of Donetsk. It said the bodies were transported with the assistance of specialists with distinct Russian accents.

The rebels are also “seeking large transports to carry away plane fragments to Russia,” the Ukrainian government said in a statement.

In Donetsk, separatist leader Alexander Borodai denied that any bodies had been transferred or that the rebels had in any way interfered with the work of observers. He said he encouraged the international community to help with the cleanup before the bodies decay further.

As emergency workers loaded about 80 bodies of plane victims into bags Saturday, Bociurkiw stressed that his team was not at the site to conduct a full-scale investigation.

“We are looking at security on the perimeter of the crash site, looking at the status in the condition of the bodies, the status in the condition of the debris, and also personal belongings,” he said.

One passenger’s body was seen still strapped into an airline seat, with bare toes peeking out under long jeans. Another body was flung face-up into a field of blue flowers.

Ukraine also urged Moscow to insist that the pro-Russia rebels grant international experts the ability to conduct a thorough, impartial investigation into the downing of the plane – echoing a demand that President Barack Obama issued a day earlier from Washington.

“The integrity of the site has been compromised, and there are indications that vital evidence has not been preserved in place,” Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said at a news conference in Kuala Lumpur.

He called for immediate access for Malaysia’s team at the site to retrieve human remains.

The Guardian is reporting that there has been other efforts to destroy or remove evidence from the site:

There is also confusion over the black boxes and other devices apparently salvaged from the plane. A rebel military commander initially said he was considering what to do with them, while another rebel leader, Aleksandr Borodai, contradicting his colleague, said the rebels had no black boxes or any other devices.

The Ukrainian interior ministry added to fears of a cover-up when it released video purportedly taken by police showing a truck carrying a Buk missile launcher with one of its four missiles apparently missing, rolling towards the Russian border at dawn . The video could not be independently verified.

Other material on rebel social media sites was being deleted, including pictures showing the alleged capture of Buk missile vehicles by rebels from a Ukrainian air base last month.

Perhaps the most troublesome question that needs to be answered is did Russian technicians assist the rebels in launching the missile?

Defence analysts with Russian expertise shared Power’s scepticism that Russia-backed rebel groups would have had the expertise to fire the missile and suggested it was more likely to have been Russian ground troops who specialise in air defence, seconded to help the rebels.

At the Pentagon, officials said a motive for the operation had yet to be determined, as had the chain of command. One said it would be “surprising to us” if pro-Russia separatists were able to operate the Buk missile battery without Russian technical support. The Ukrainian military confirmed it has Buk batteries but said it had none in the area the missile was fired.

It would seem unlikely that militiamen would be capable of handling a sophisticated surface to air missile system by themselves. If it’s true that Russian technicians aided the separatists, then Russia bears equal responsibility for this war crime — something that would ratchet up the tension between Moscow and the US and could lead to crippling sanctions against Russia.

Is Putin able to control the separatists? He is still supplying them with arms, but it’s unclear how many local commanders are actually taking orders from Moscow. Whatever influence he possesses, he better use it now. If the shootdown did anything to the war, it placed the west even more firmly on Ukraine’s side and isolated Russia even more than they were. The prospect that the next round of sanctions may hit the already weakened Russian economy should galvanize Putin into forcing the rebels to the negotiating table.

Rick Moran is PJ Media's Chicago editor and Blog editor at The American Thinker. He is also host of the"RINO Hour of Power" on Blog Talk Radio. His own blog is Right Wing Nut House.

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If Ukrainian jets were, in fact, in the near vicinity of MH-17, I don't understand why those SU-25s did not pop their anti-missile hardware to defeat that SA-11 that supposedly shot down MH-17. Surely those SU-25s had flares and radar to defeat missiles. That brings up so many more questions, now. A book can be written on that subject, alone.
31 weeks ago
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Even if Russia provided the missile system used to cause this disaster , so what ? There is a civil war going on in eastern Ukraina , caused by the US/EU interference, with many civilians dead, sadly unreported by western media. Most likely this was a tragic mistake, who benefits from killing these civilians ? Certainly not the Russians or the separatists. Some western politicians who in various ways are interested in the downfall of Putin ( the BRICS-agreement... ) now try to pin the responsibility on Putin with the help of ever loyal , slavish media. Don´t believe for a second that the European media mirrors the view of the ordinary people. But, if Putin is responsible for this then how about Obama providing weapons to the the Muslim "rebels" in Syria with many dead civilians as a result .Why don´t we give Obama the same pariah treatment because of this ? It´s also interesting that the Obama White House wants Europe to carry the burden of sanctions while the US look on. I hope that Mrs Merkel will stop this media circus, it´s getting crazy. It´s disgusting to politizise the deaths of these poor souls. And most of us here in Europe do not want war in our neighbourhood. We want peace with Russia. We want trade, tourism, cultural exchange, hockey tournaments and so on. So Obama and your allies, stop your war mongering.
32 weeks ago
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The media is/are spinning their wheels, running around in all directions at once.

Why isn't anyone asking why that particular aircraft was shot down?-- causing that particular Muslim airline's second air disaster? Who gave the order to shoot it down?

Who, and where was the traffic controller who identified that particular radar blip as ML17?--or did he? After the fatal I.D., who in particular authorized the missile firing?

Why was that passenger airliner picked out of the other air traffic along that established international airway to be shot down?

Was Russia retaliating for something?--what?

Is there a Chechen/Muslim connection?
32 weeks ago
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"In Donetsk, separatist leader Alexander Borodai denied that any bodies had been transferred..."

Borodai is a general in the FSB, the internal security successor to the KGB. In fact, the top leaders of the rebels are almost surely all FSB or GRU (Russian military intelligence). See:

"Is Putin able to control the separatists?"

His intelligence officers are leading them in a war Moscow ginned up. If he said "jump," they'd ask "how high, sir?"
32 weeks ago
32 weeks ago Link To Comment
Waaay off topic........but isn't your icon/picture one of Andrew Carnegie? Or a mid-19th cent. U.S. president? Had to ask.

32 weeks ago
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Of course the bodies, the black boxes, and as much of the airplane as can be put on a truck will be moved by the seperatists/Russians (and yes, they are the same thing)
This is known as "creating bargaining chips".
Do YOU want to be the Western leader who has to face greiving families who just want to bury their child? Just wait - in a couple weeks the West will be sending money to pay for the return of the bodies. The bribes will be labelled "cleanup fees."

And responsibility for the actual shoot down? Come on, its the Russians. Do you really think they are going to turn themselves in?
32 weeks ago
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Anybody who believes pro-Russian militiamen in Eastern Ukraine are competent to operate high altitude surface to air missiles can be easily convinced that the Cochise County Militia of Arizona can use Patriot missiles to shoot down Mexican airliners. Militias can function as irregular light infantry. There is no such animal as irregular Air Defense Artillery. Active duty Russian GRU officers are the leadership for these "pro-Russian separatists" and the Westphalian nation-state now called Russia did this, and the Dutch should ask for NATO assistance in breaking Russia and Putin of bad habits. Russian Ilyushins and Antonovs are just as vulnerable as Malaysian Boeings. Let justice be done, though the airliners may fall.
32 weeks ago
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At this point, is there any real, functional difference between self-described pro-Russian separatists and pro-Russian Russians?
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