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February 11, 2014 - 7:59 am

Anti-surveillance groups are flooding Congress with calls and emails today in support of legislative efforts that would rein in the powers of the NSA.

The Day We Fight Back Against Mass Surveillance is backed by tech businesses such as Tumblr and Mozilla plus Reddit, the ACLU, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

“The protest is both in his honor and in celebration of the victory over the Stop Online Piracy Act two years ago this month, which he helped spur,” organizers said of Reddit co-founder Aaron Swartz, who committed suicide on Jan. 11, 2013, under  Justice Department prosecution.

“Today the greatest threat to a free Internet, and broader free society, is the National Security Agency’s mass spying regime. If Aaron were alive he’d be on the front lines, fighting back against these practices that undermine our ability to engage with each other as genuinely free human beings,” said David Segal, executive director of Demand Progress, which he co-founded with Swartz.

Anonymous said as of 10 a.m. 9,471 calls had been made and 30,317 emails sent.

The protesters are backing the USA Freedom Act, a bill from original Patriot Act author Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) meant to “rein in the dragnet collection of data by the National Security Agency (NSA) and other government agencies, increase transparency of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), provide businesses the ability to release information regarding FISA requests, and create an independent constitutional advocate to argue cases before the FISC.”

“We understand that the United States was founded upon a Constitution that protects our critical rights and is governed by the rule of law,” the Libertarian Party said in a statement. “Yet, for years, the NSA has exploited secret legal interpretations to undermine our privacy rights — thus chilling speech and activism, and thereby threatening to subvert the very underpinnings of our society itself.”

Bridget Johnson is a veteran journalist whose news articles and opinion columns have run in dozens of news outlets across the globe. Bridget first came to Washington to be online editor at The Hill, where she wrote The World from The Hill column on foreign policy. Previously she was an opinion writer and editorial board member at the Rocky Mountain News and nation/world news columnist at the Los Angeles Daily News. She is an NPR contributor and has contributed to USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, National Review Online, Politico and more, and has myriad television and radio credits as a commentator. Bridget is Washington Editor for PJ Media.

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The more and more lawless government is now our main enemy and I for one grow very tired of their, and their lackey's, hysterical threats about what will happen to us and our children (nice children you've got there, sure would be a shame if anything happened to them) if we don't submit to whatever further stripping of our God Given Rights suits them.
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"We haven't been hit since 9/11....."

The people at the Boston Marathon, and at Fort Hood probably have a different view on that. Moreover, the Times Square car bomb was NOT detected by the NSA, it was spotted by an alert passer-by.

Besides that, because there haven't been many terrorist attacks doesn't mean the reason is universal surveillance by the NSA
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Either the NSA dies or America dies.

"In the end, there can be only one".
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Has it ever occurred to you that if we do get rid of the NSA or, heck, any form of intelligence networks at all, America would probably be killed off by the enemy easily due to the enemy taking advantage of blindness?

I know if I were an enemy of America, and ALL of America's intelligence networks were gone, I'd definitely use the opportunity to launch a bombing raid on America. Yes, the NSA has done abuses, but taking away the NSA and all forms of intelligence networks will only harm America in the long run.
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We just need to be careful here.
The problem is that this surveillance actually does work in fighting terrorism. I live near DC, and a friend of a friend developed some of the data mining software used. On 9/11, he was actually on his way to deliver a proposal to a government agency, and had over 2/3rds of the hijackers identified in his proposal.

We haven't been hit since 9/11, and you'll never hear it reported - you never hear when national security efforts actually work, only when they fail - but surveillance programs like this are largely responsible. The problem, of course, is when the government starts using them improperly.
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As the man said, "Those who give up liberty for the promise of a little security, deserve neither, and will likely end up with neither". It is either death to the NSA or death to America.

BTW, my time and mind bending machine had all 19 identified and I was on my way to deliver the news. Missed it by only "that much".
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You do realize that the guy who said that quote, Ben Franklin, also decried the French Revolution, even going as far as to compare democracy to a lamb debating a den of wolves as to what to have for dinner, right? Keep in mind that the French Revolution was pure freedom and had absolutely no security whatsoever. Actually, it was total anarchy (probably the most extreme form of freedom possible), people massacring each other for the heck of it, being free from all rules, razing churches to the ground, butchering pregnant ladies, all of those things, nothing even closely resembling a place full of law and order. Oh, and they also did this openly, not in secret. We do need reform in the agencies, but to get rid of them entirely is probably going to cause another 9/11 to occur. Don't forget, part of the reason why 9/11 occurred as it did is because we had outdated defense systems (I remember reading a comment about that on Breitbart).

If you want to go back to the time of the founding fathers in all forms, go ahead, but keep in mind that doing those things will most likely destroy America as well since our enemies will most likely take advantage of the complete destruction of any defense systems and intelligence agencies, our blindness as a result, and bomb us to heck.
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The more and more lawless government is now our main enemy and I for one grow very tired of their, and their lackey's, hysterical threats about what will happen to us and our children (nice children you've got there, sure would be a shame if anything happened to them) if we don't submit to whatever further stripping of our God Given Rights suits them.
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I actually don't have children (yet, anyways. I do plan on starting a family, though).

And do I like the fact that Obama is infringing on the constitution? No, and I definitely want Obama out of office before 2016 and actually suffer jailtime for what he's done. The same goes for all the officials in office right now who are promoting the lawless behavior, including Holder and Clinton. However, that's no excuse for trying to advocate anarchy, which is effectively what you're declaring, and the same thing Robespierre basically advocated and caused in the name of Jean Jacques Rousseau. Ben Franklin decried Democracy for a reason, and its because of what happened to France after a Direct Democracy was established (The French Revolution). Even the founding fathers would have agreed to the establishment of intelligence departments if there was no other way, and its the case now with various airplanes, some going around the world in only a few days, and computers, and missiles, and all of that. None of these things were even conceivable in the Founding Fathers' minds when they created the Constitution. I don't like the NSA infringing on our rights, but I'm being realistic, we can't simply get rid of the intelligence and law enforcement agencies as that will just make things worse.

Though tell you what, try running for President, and making sure you basically throw out all government agencies wholesale, leave America without ANY agencies, especially intelligence agencies, if that's what you want. Leave it in total anarchy, for a single week, maybe a single month for good measure, and see what happens. Come on, if you're strong in your convictions, I suggest you do that. I know if I were you and advocating this, I'd go all out, not leave even a single government institution intact, certainly leave the entire military crippled if not gone outright alongside the intelligence agencies being gone as well. As I said, do that if you really think this, because I'm being realistic.
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"We haven't been hit since 9/11....."

The people at the Boston Marathon, and at Fort Hood probably have a different view on that. Moreover, the Times Square car bomb was NOT detected by the NSA, it was spotted by an alert passer-by.

Besides that, because there haven't been many terrorist attacks doesn't mean the reason is universal surveillance by the NSA
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It works? Not according to the NSA. They admit to the metadata not being effecitve.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/17/would-you-believe-zero-terrorist-attacks


While its true we haven't been hit since 9/11 by a major attack, there have been numerous smaller attacks that invariably get swept under the carpet. Major Hasan ring any bells? Or the Boston Bombers? Both jihadist and both with numerous warning signs on the front end that were either completely missed or ignored by the three-letter agencies.

No, we need reform. Starting with secret courts viewing secret evidence and giving out secret orders/warrants that can't be challenged. That is not Constitutional, and saying "terrorist" doesn't change that.
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If you're advocating putting terrorists into civilian courts, that's actually a very bad idea especially with how activist the judicial courts are right now.

And the NSA was created specifically to locate and stop Communists, and intelligence agencies need to be kept precisely because their our one line in preventing enemy attacks in this day and age. Maybe if planes and bombers were never created at all, maybe if only sailing ships were available, we'd probably not have to worry about whether the enemy would attack us at any moment. Heck, maybe if computers weren't invented, we wouldn't worry about having intelligence agencies. But guess what, they exist, meaning we're literally vulnerable to attack anywhere.

Do I like the NSA's abuses, or any other governmental abuses? No, but that doesn't mean I'm going to advocate anarchy, especially when that results in massacres and also worsening the rot in the country as it is.
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Nice strawman. No one here is advocating anarchy. We are advocating the LAW. What the NSA is doing is unconstitutional. Adding "its to fight terrorists" is not enough. You would decry "its for the children" if they wanted to take your AR-15 away with that excuse. Why are you OK with them taking away your Constistutional rights just by adding "terrorists"?
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First of all, Harald, I'm NOT okay with what's currently going on, and I certainly wouldn't support the breach in the second amendment that our government is doing with Gun Control. Actually, I didn't even mention anything about gun control at all, and despite my not wanting to break the 10 commandments, I'm willing to own a gun if its absolutely necessary.

And yes, what the NSA is doing to civilians, ordinary, innocent civilians is inexcusable, there's no arguing that. And I even made that clear. But that doesn't mean we should get rid of the NSA or other intelligence agencies. Don't forget, thanks to the Cold War and Communism spreading and mucking things up, we need intel to determine our enemy's next move, foreign or domestic. What I'm being is realistic. We no longer live in the kind of world the Founding Fathers lived in. At least they don't have to worry about computers, computer viruses, airplanes, aerial bombings, choppers, and all of those kinds of things that can and have been proven both vital to us and a threat to us. If the enemy was to attack, they'd have to do weeks, if not months on the oceans to get from Europe to America/Africa to America, at which point America would be fully prepared. There's no way we can just go back to what the Founding Fathers lived through with that. Suppose we do get rid of the NSA, the CIA, the DIA, pretty much all intelligence agencies, try to live the Founding Father's will to the fullest extent by getting rid of any and all intelligence agencies and governmental institutions, what do you think will happen? We'd be blind as a bat, many of our enemies, both communists and islamists will only see it as a "shoot me" sign planted on the American Continent's back, and they WILL attack us.

I support reform in the NSA and other government institutions, but I will not support getting rid of them, because that makes things even worse than before. Even Ben Franklin decried the French Revolution and the freedom it brought about via its anarchy. I also object to your implication that we need to get rid of secret evidence and giving out secret orders/warrants, because the only other option that would result in is having terrorists tried in civilian courts. In case you've forgotten, the Obama administration is doing just that, having terrorists tried in civilian courts, and the outrage is already made apparent.
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I don't trust this administration, or pretty much any other one, but *especially* this band of Chicago thugs, to 'do the right thing', and not turn this into a tool used on civilians for intimidation, harassment and retaliation. That's why this kind of thing isn't allowed, and any dancing around by congress, the exec or the courts is a dangerous expansion of the government at our expense.
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"gang up"? Or "band together"? One is rather hostile, the other not. Which is it, Bridget?
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Finally, some of Obama's base is getting nervous.
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Some like it hot and some sweat when the heat is on
Some feel the heat and decide that they can't go on
Some like it hot, but you can't tell how hot 'til you try
Some like it hot, so lets turn up the heat 'til they fry
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