Update: This post has been updated because Florida now tells Reuters that they are still considering their response. Reuters had to update their story also.
It looks like Florida plans to defy Eric Holder’s order (sent through radical DOJ lawyer Elise Shore) that the state stop purging Florida voter rolls of ineligible foreigners. More:
Despite a Justice Department letter, objections from county elections officials and evidence that a disproportionate number are voters of color, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner’s office planned to continue scrubbing the election rolls, a spokesman said Friday. Gov. Rick Scott (R) ordered the search for potentially ineligible voters.
“We have an obligation to make sure the voter rolls are accurate and we are going to continue forward and do everything that we can legally do to make sure than ineligible voters cannot vote,” said Chris Cate, a spokesman for Detzner. “We are firmly committed to doing the right thing and preventing ineligible voters from being able to cast a ballot. We are not going to give up our efforts to make sure the voter rolls are accurate.”
Justice Department officials declined to comment on Florida’s plans.
Will Florida stand fast, or cave in? Florida has a winning case here. Firstly, the statutes allowing the purge have already been precleared. DOJ will have to climb onto the far limbs of Presley vs. Etowah County in claiming the way Florida conducted the foreign voter purge must be submitted to DOJ for approval. Second, if Section 5 allows the Attorney General to stop states from ensuring that citizens of foreign countries don’t vote for President, I doubt Holder will find much support on the Supreme Court.
Third, if Florida stands fast, expect wide popular support against an unpopular Attorney General, but only if Floridians call their Secretary of State and support him. Also expect citizens groups to intervene on behalf of Florida and election integrity.
Holder faces another danger. The more he appears to assert unconstitutional federal power, the more states will push back against his overreach – including increasing defiance. The Voting Section only has so many lawyers. At some point, it can pick only so many fights. Worse yet, if you are a supporter of Section 5 as a protection against genuine racial discrimination, the stupid fights Holder is picking to placate his radical lawless base may unravel the statute. Even supporters of Section 5 should urge Holder to stand down and let Florida clean up their voter rolls of dead people and foreigners.
UPDATE: Reuters amended their story to now say that Florida is “still considering” a response.
Woot! Go, Florida!
I hope my state of Colorado gets the spine to do the same.
It certainly gives new meaning to the term “gerrymandering,” which is exactly what this and suing AZ was all about. The Dem Party would allow all of Latin America to vote if it could.
Only if they aren’t American citizens….
Not for nothing does Gerrymandering originate in Massachusetts.
Good for Florida.
…has made his decision — now let him enforce it.
That’s what the New Black Panthers and SEIU union thugs are for. Expect widespread instances of thug escorts for any non-eligible voters the Dems can dig up.
It just amazes me how Eric Holder continues to believe that he has the power to supersede, defy and violate the U.S. Constitution.
His boss doesn’t want voter rolls purged in ANY state since those votes are definitely his. Holder is following orders and also his own beliefs, he sincerely believes this voter id movement is strictly racist. Nonsense but, race card always works unfortunately and spurs the troops.
THANK YOU FLORIDA….
What you all said.
“Despite a Justice Department letter, objections from county elections officials and evidence that a disproportionate number are voters of color”
??? Does whether or not the scrubbed names were actually deserving of being scrubbed play any role in the calculation of whether or not this effort is justified, or is any of the three above criteria all that is needed in the age of Obama to determine automatically right and wrong?
For my truly truly truly scurrilous and absolutely awful, but somehow all too plausible, comment of the day–I suppose I should just be glad a white man can still testify in court against a black man….
I would guess that non-citizens registered to vote (how did that happen, btw?) would be disproportionately “of color”.
Where on the voter reg card does it list race, or previous country of origin? Does holder think some racist cracker is sitting in an office looking at a voter card and saying..”why this here looks like it could be a black guy, or maybe a cuban, best burn this card”.
A simple form to fill out is required if you were accidentally eradicated from the registered voters list…no big deal, if you a are legal! JROD
Incidentally, the following occured to me–*if* the justification for DOJ review is the historic discrimination done by Florida, how is that reconciled with the growth in population that Florida has had due to domestic migration from the North and Midwest? Rick Scott, after all, is 100% a product of illinois and Missouri. If he had ancestors fight in the Civil War, they probably did not wear gray…
I’m sure the interstate immigrants who have come to Florida over the last four decades love being told by Eric Holder’s folks that someone else’s sins are theirs too and that they will pay for them…
…though it seems like a denial of civil rights and equality before the law to me. Texas, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia can probably make similiar arguments. They are no longer strictly composed of their 1964 populations.
Basically, i am going to posit the following: as a general principle, the present cannot be made to pay for the crimes of the past. The statute of limitations is not just one of time, but one of generations.
While the effects may in fact last five generations, as far as payment, it should be that the sins of the fathers shall be sins of the fathers only.
Further, not only do the states I have mentioned have substantial non-pre-1964 descended populations, the portion of populations that are so descended are overwhelmingly composed of either persons not born by that date, or who had not yet reached the age of majority by that date. And yet they are denied the same status in regards to rights of local self-governance as persons in other parts of the United States possess, with no substantial and credible evidence of widespread attempts or desires for misbehavior on their part to so justify. They, in short, are denied equal status in the eyes of the law, due to no acts or attempts of their own, and thus they are so denied such equal status in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
If white Southerners descended from the pre-1964 population must pay for segregation, even though they had nothing to do with it due to age, I then demand members of all other groups to so pay for their group crimes, no matter how distant in the past. The Indians threw the Spanish out of New Mexico at least once (look it up). The Spanish came back. Will the Americans so descended from those Spanish conquerors atone for this reconquest and centuries of domination? The California Spanish caused severe problems for the native population during Spain and Mexico’s relatively brief occupation. Any effective remorse? Mexico allowed a military dictatorship under Santa Anna to tearup a civil constitution, and tried to impose said dictatorship on others by force of arms. What say the descendants? Will the Lakota compensate the tribes they shoved aside on the 1700s, as they migrated from the Great Lakes? Will the Chippewas compensate and atone to the Lakotas for shoving them out of the old Northwest? Will Muslim Americans apologize for the crimes of the Barbary Pirates (esp. female slavery) and the conquest of Spain? Will the New England WASPs apologize for shoving aside the Celts and turning Britain into Angle-land? Will the Swedes of Minnesota apologize for the Danelaw? Will the Italian-Americans not of post-400 AD stock apologize for conquering Britannia? Will the Italians of post-400 AD stock apologize to the other Italians? And so on.
The fact is, if you go back far enough, none of us have clean hands, if we are to be judged by the groups we come from. This is because we are human, and to relative date it is what we do. ALL of us.. We have that past. ALL of us.
It need not be the future. We can either continue this never-ending Oresteia, or do something different. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the reauthorized Civil Rights Act is a declaration of presumed guilt against people who never did any wrong themselves–which includes myself–and is thus a bill of attainder, among other things, and is absolutely nothing I intend to tolerate if I can do something about it. Eric Holder, therefore, can go straight to Hades, and his DOJ with him.
Basically, the way I see it, the only people in the entire history of man, that I know of, who can honestly say that their group has no group crimes to atone for, because they never dominated anyone, are the Melians, and perhaps the Trojans.
Of course, those two groups no longer exist.
ah, but to Eric Holder, it’s always Selma in 1962. same with the other professional rate baiters: the Sharptons and Jacksons and Van Joneses of the world.
no matter that we have a black president, voted in by white people. no matter that the president before him had a black secretary of state–a Republican, even!
nope…Jim Crow is always around the corner, and these people are always looking for a fight.
Holder couldn’t possibly be more open about his commitment to “his” people. we have to assume that this is at the behest of his boss. just another reason to vote for Romney in November.
For Jones, it’s always Silent Spring in Selma.
“is any of the three above criteria all that is needed in the age of Obama to determine automatically right and wrong?”
You obviously haven’t read my book Injustice.
Rock on, Florida!
You like me! You really, really like me! Or at least my urgent suggestion!
Resist we much. Very.
E X C E L L E N T ! ! ! ! !
Kinda makes me proud to be a Floridian right now. I hope they don’t back down.
Go Florida! Go Florida! Go Florida! Scrub, scrub, scrub the voting rolls!
there is a dance that goes with the first part, not gonna put it on youtube)
This is the way we scrub the polls,
scrub the polls,
scrub the polls,
This is the way we scrub the polls, so early Monday morning!
As a former resident of Florida, I noticed the attempt by democrats to discount the military vote in Florida and they go to such great lengths to count illegal residents. Way to go Scott. States have rights. The state officials have the responsibility of making sure legal voters do not have their votes cancelled by illegals.
Any non-citizen registered to vote in Florida has committed a felony. Maybe we should just prosecute a few “to encourage the rest”.
Amen Friona.
One more reason it is time to end the Yankee occupation of the south. https://www.facebook.com/groups/119352624808016/
How is it that Steppin Fetchit Holder is walking around a free man?
Why is this individual not behind bars?
I feel a tingle up my leg for Florida…that doesn’t happen very often.
I would love to see the first move of a Romney presidency be to request the return of the Churchill bust. I’d like the second to be having the new Attorney General file charges of corruption and treason against Eric Holder and Barack Obama. I’d pay big money to see those two criminals do a perp walk.
And the third thing should be awarding a posthumous Medal of Freedom to Andrew Breitbart. And maybe one to Limbaugh as well.
The term “Ineligible voter” is ill-advised, though: if they’re ineligible they’re not voters, but that term leaves the impression that ‘voters’ are being thrown off the rolls. Just call ‘em “ineligible persons.”
Fight to the death, Holder, go git’m!
The butcher of Waco is pandering as usual god bless our Florida governor Rick scott
Is there any way to find out who on the list of dead and foreigners voted in recent elections? Ann Althouse has a post about an email she received telling which of her neighbors voted in the past 2 elections.
Suggest you sign up and help Truethevote.org. That’s what they do.
I spent a great deal of time in public libraries. I studied war, history, poets and philosophers. I would put my “EDUCATION” against any above average second year or average 4 year college student. American history was a particular favorite of mine. saw it. they rounded them up in the 30′s. they evolved. they became the progressives. i watched it happen and told people it was coming for TWENTY YEARS!!!!!! The socialization of our republic. TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;O)~ Two Bit
This is great. After watching obama and holder ignore the laws and do whatever they da** well please (not to mention other parts of the executive dept, such as the EPA), it’s about time somebody on our side did the same.
I moved to Florida a few months ago to escape New York which is filled with progressives. I am very happy to hear that Florida is not going to put up with the progs/commies bullying. I’m proud to be a Floridian.
A large sign should be placed in every polling location “Anyone voting illegally will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law”, in several languages.
There goes the Democrats’ hopes for Florida on Nov 6.
I sent email encouragement to Secretary Detzner, thanking him for his courage to stand up to the corrupt Federal Department of Justice and Attorney General Holder, himself.
His email address is: DOS.SecretaryofState@DOS.MyFlorida.com
“a disproportionate number are voters of color”
Voters of color like Harvard’s first woman law professor of color?
Since these “voters” are not citizens, they are not voters but scam artists, proportionate or not. They should be prosecuted for fraud.
Apparently a disproportionate number of “his people” do not have state-issued photo ID, even though most states will give them free or at a nominal charge. According to Holder, this means that requiring photo ID has a “disparate impact” on them when they try to vote.
Will that mean that he now will sue all the states for a whole raft of civil rights violations, because in order to buy alcohol, to travel by plane, to apply for welfare and food stamps, and many other activities, you must have a photo ID? They must be also affect disparately in these instances as well.
Right.
I resent Obama, Holder and DOJ disenfranching my vote by permitting illegals, cons, non-citizens to vote and thus marginalizing my vote. My vote will have less value. American citizens must push back and change the argument. It is not about disenfrancement of non-citizens, but rather about maintaining the enfranchisement of qualified citizen voters. Where is the voice of voters to protect the full value of their vote??? Where is the outrage to protect citizens votes?
Very reminiscent of the defiant attitude exhibited by George Wallace toward RFK over segregation.
Once again, conservatives end up on the wrong side of history.
Once again, progressives, liberals and democrats end up on the wrong side of the law.
If you want to be that way about it, it’s also reminiscent of sanctuary states defying immigration laws. It’s also like legal California pot-shops telling the feds to shove their anti-marijuana laws. It’s also like the states that are defying No Child Left Behind. It’s also like the states who are defying federal laws requiring secure IDs.
Resist we much.
This is so much like the Democratic Party; they want illegal aliens and foreigners to vote but they don’t want to count military absentee ballots – especially from those serving overseas in the wars.
They want to support those who demand unearned entitlements from the government but they want to suppres those who are serving the government even to the supreme sacrifice. The Democratic Party has lost all touch with what America is all about.
Bunch of crooks, frauds and liars!
I suspect Florida is too late for this cycle. Holder will file and get an injuction in Federal Court and let the hearings and appeals begin. This will not be settled by election day. A nice election year bone for the Tea Party by Florida politicians that are more cynical than I.
When I first read about this I wondered, why doesn’t Florida just say no? What’s he gonna do, sue them? So what?
Exactly! They should just keep on purging the rolls. They’ve already unearthed 58,000 dead voters.
What, exactly, is Holder’s reason for trying to force Florida to stop purging its voter records of dead people and illegals? Because they’re mostly not white? That’s his reason?
It’s gonna make the hoped-for-fraud that much harder to pull off, Rebecca, that’s why he wants to stop this now.
Now listen up states! Yes, all 57 of ya. This is not rocket science or as difficult to convey as why or how beer and doughnuts compliment each other.
Voter ID laws are not required to filter out the zombie proxy or illegal voters.
The most commonly used ID to identify voters would be a drivers license. IT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE! Wouldn’t voter registrations with an expiration date serve the same purpose as an ID presented at the voting poll? Voter registrations would expire after each election. New registration would be required prior to voting in the next or subsequent elections.
OBTW, no DoJ interference can luddite this operation.
I hope FL stands firm.
The Right Scoop has a link to a great call from a black Democratic woman who is up in arms over this (“Mark Levin caller insulted that Eric Holder would suggest black folks are too stupid to get photo ID”) who talks about the many generations of non-licensed family members who obtained ID’s as a matter of course so that they could vote.
Any time now wouldn’t be too soon for a groundswell of people like this!
I hope FL stands firm.
The Right Scoop has a link to a great call from a black Democratic woman who is up in arms over this (“Mark Levin caller insulted that Eric Holder would suggest black folks are too stupid to get photo ID”) who talks about the many generations of non-licensed family members who obtained ID’s as a matter of course so that they could vote.
Any time now wouldn’t be too soon for a groundswell of people like this!
Good for Florida! All states should do the same, and there would be much less voter fraud and fixed elections! Note: Obama’s crony Hillary wants to give the vote to all freed prisoners and ex-con felons, because she knows they will vote Leftist also.
“The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”