Latest Wall Street Demonstrations Puny
They gave a demonstration on Wall Street Saturday and nobody came! Five thousand demonstrators (high estimate) in New York? The population of the metro area approaches 19 million. You get more people than that for bocce in Battery Park. How many are standing on line for pizza at Ray’s? Attendance at the US Tennis Open – supposedly a secondary sport – draws over seven hundred thousand fans.
So what’s up with this OccupyWallStreet nonsense and who’s trying to promote this trivial event? The usual suspects in the reactionary media along with various hustlers (race and union) and a sprinkling of the leftover acid damaged. That’s about it.
Final question. What percentage of that five thousand are hardcore anti-Semites? Why don’t you answer that one, Mayor Bloomberg?
I don’t know, Roger. Did you read this at BigGovernment?
Editors’ Note – Crowdsourcing: At the end of this post, you will find links to download the #OccupyWallStreet email archive described earlier today by Andrew Breitbart. Send your thoughts, observations, and findings to feedback@breitbart.com, or post them in the comment section.]
On August 10, 2011, the hacker group “Anonymous” announced that it would join the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. That’s what sparked my interest in monitoring #OccupyWallStreet.
I reached out to a colleague and asked if he would be interested in studying the protest with me. At first, it seemed disorganized, and we believed it would only be a few hundred protestors.
As we engaged in monitoring its growth, we recruited other people to help us begin the collection of data available via social media. We began mapping out key players, and monitored Anonymous’s efforts to organize protests in the San Francisco Bay area public transportation system (#opBART) in order to detect patterns and key influencers.
Then, at the end of August, we were alerted by a fellow researcher that information about USDoR (U.S. Day of Rage, to which Occupy Wall Street is connected) had been posted on Shamuk and Al-Jahad, two Al-Qaeda recruitment sites. We began to take the “Occupy” protest more seriously, and dedicated more time to research and monitoring.
Days later, Anonymous announced that it would be releasing its new DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) tool. Because of the Al-Qaeda posting, we contacted the New York Field Office of the FBI so they could investigate the potential threat. From that point on, we decided we needed to include the Human Element of Intelligence (HUMINT), and to infiltrate the protestors to map their ties to Anonymous, and to the postings on Shamuk and Al-Jahad.
A few of us had attended several of the pre-protest meet-ups and training classes. The Civil Disobedience training was taught by Elliot “Smokey” Madison, a New York-based anarchist who is a member of the People’s Law Collective, a voluntary group that advises protesters on legal issues arising from their actions. The Media training was taught by Vlad Teichberg, a New York based anarchist who is a member of the Glass Bead Collective, an artistic activist group.
http://biggovernment.com/thomasryan/2011/10/14/the-email-archive-of-the-occupywallstreet-movement-anarchists-socialists-jihadists-unions-democrats/
Any time you can get the Nazis and the Commies in the same tent, you have the certifiable 0.03%. I’ll bet Alex Jones and the Ronulans* think this is great.
*Not to be confused with the Ronettes.
Commies and Nazis…here they are, big as life and twice as crazy:
Occupy Toronto: Carnival of the Commie Crazies
The “Occupy” Movement Turns Nazi
The only real difference between Nazis and commies is that the former prefer their socialism to be national, while the latter prefer it international.
the people that are supporting this riot…are trying to set people against each other… i hope they tear the whole place down brick by brick.
i have a hard time understanding “kids” that complain to wall street banks about their student loans they agreed to …when it’s the government that sets all the ground rules..
the unions are in heaven…spending members retirement money all on all this crap going on. So much for ballsy union members that do nothing but allow their bosses to run rough shod over them and bankrupt them..
they need to clean the streets of these people…send them to Washington where the real culprits are.
Can somebody explain how the Left came up with their anti-Semitism? Does it simply stem from their sympathy with arab terror as I assumed or are their other less obvious channels?
The Left has some deep racist roots. With blacks, the Left’s contemporary racism seems to be more patronizing, while with Jews, it seems that the Left more completely incorporates media figures, academics and intellectuals, while sustaining their disdain for “greedy” capitalist Jews and the “evil” Zionists. In any event, Leftist racism is exploitative, rather than aimed at destroying the targets of their disdain. So long as they can extract political support (votes, money, and mouthpieces), the Left will happily accept “useful” members of “inferior” groups onto the plantation, and vilify those who refuse to accept the roles assigned to them by their “betters.” =’[.]‘=
It’s all about setting people against each other to gain power and to remain in power.
In this case, it’s all about scapegoating the Jooooooos.
Free market peeps avoid racism. Has anybody noticed that?
What you’re really seeing at play is the insignificance between what are called “left” and “right”, which are terms from the French Revolution that don’t apply to this era. In reality, the fact that the OWS movement has managed to garnered support both from the American Communist Party and the American Nazi Party shouldn’t be as surprising as it seems, because they both stem from the same anti-capitalist root.
Scapegoating Jews is just a convenient tool for those who are trying to stir vague dissatisfaction into a violent reaction to be steered later into whatever direction they want to turn it against. “Bankers” is a perennial favorite, used by Nazi and Communist alike, and if you can tie the greedy banker to “Jew”, it makes it easier to rile the crowd up.
In the end, any group of successful people would fit the bill, but here in New York, just like in the 1930s in Germany, the Jews are the most convenient. What would have been the point of riling up the Germans over Swiss Bankers? The Swiss were prepared and able to defend themselves. The Jews weren’t. And that, in a nutshell, is why there needs to be an Israel.
Snork, if you think Nazis are right-wingers, you’ve fallen for the Dinosaur Media’s definition. Nazi was and is short for the German for “National Socialist Worker’s Party,” and socialists aren’t right wing.
You might also check out Jonah Goldberg’s marvelous book, Liberal Fascism.
I never said that. What I said is that “right” and “left” are meaningless labels. Read.
I did say “if” you were.
Honestly, the way you constructed that statement, it would be easy for someone not that intelligent or not paying close attention, or a lefty (but I repeat myself) to think that you, like the Dinosaur Media, lumps Nazis in with the “right-wing.”
Glad we got it clarified.
Read Richard Evan’s “The Third Reich in Power.” He compiles the electoral data from the thirties, and lo and behold they won their biggest electoral victories in conservative, Protestant middle class districts. They believed that women should stay away from the workforce and only raise children, co-opted rather than eliminated the churches, and were extremely nationalist. That doesn’t sound very leftist–culturally, they were very conservative.
Economically, they had no coherent ideology. Again, Evans points out that, according to *actual data,* they were a mish-mash of capitalism and statism. They allowed individual ownership of for-profit businesses and suppressed unions, but also had state-subsidized vacations and price controls. They were neither right nor left economically–they were merely incompetent.
But Evans is writing about German voters. One of the Left’s favorite tricks these days is to conflate 1930s German conservatives with American conservatives. They have no connections.
The basic difference between socialism and free market capitalism is not associated with the left/right terminology but about who and what controls the means of the production within the society. In free market capitalism, this is controlled by the wishes and desires of all the individuals of the population who are free to provide and purchase goods and services as they wish from whoever they wish and the price is set by supply and demand.
In socialism the means of production and the determining of what goods and services are produced and sold and who sells and provides those goods and services is controlled by the state through a centralised economic planning system.
In communism this is achieved by the state confiscating all private property and factories and business and then running them to meet their central economic plan. With fascism, or national socialism, this was achieved by selecting the businesses and companies and then basically setting them up as monopoloy concerns that produce what the government directs for their central economic plan. In both cases, the rights of the individual to make their own economic decisions and to live their own lives becomes removed. These are, therefore, both forms of collectivism and are diametrically opposite to the Americal ideal of the rights of an individual to their own life, liberty, and the prusuit of happiness.
The control of the means of production can also be achieved by government regulations and subsidies which punish some companies and products and set up others with an unfair advantage. This can be seen with the current laws and regulations with respect to renewable energies but i am sure that other examples are easily found. This is still a form of collectivism or socialism and it is slowly creeping into our economy and stiffling our prosperity. It must be stopped before it is too late.
“the American Communist Party and the American Nazi Party… both stem from the same anti-capitalist root.”
Absolutely correct. It’s the same sh*t, only in different commodes. The media and academia like to promote the canard that Nazism and communism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum partly out of ignorance but mostly (I think) for the self-serving reason that Nazism had obtained a “bad name” due to the public exposure of the Holocaust while communists like Stalin were able to murder many more people in relative privacy. The NY Times and other elitists had the hots for Hitler’s national socialism in the 1930s until he went and messed it up with that “war thing.” But they’re all still closet Stalinists (some are now out of that closet) and they like to pretend
that their favorite dictator is somehow different from the demon Adolf. But when you strip away all the self-serving crap, a totalitarian is a totalitarian is a totalitarian.
Private debt is through the roof, the economy is weak, and bankers are to blame. That’s pretty much always been when hardcore anti-Semitism shows up.
Jonk I agree, and as a gentile have to assume the correctness of the historical narrative that Jewish persecution is due to jealousy. Which would appear to fit in pretty neatly at OWS as others here say.
To be more specific in my question when I say ‘Left’ I mean the young trustafarians we know and love from OWS and Zombie, many of whom are Jewish kids.
This is the group that launched Rachel “Saint Pancake” Corrie and found self-cleansing in the support of Islamic terror. If you agree, over the last decade we’ve seen that seed of obviously satisfying Israel-hatred bloom into barely disguised anti-Semitism as Mr. Simon raises.
That’s the only background I have to ask the question “Where the Hell did the hippies pick up anti-Semitic messaging?”
Is it possible that more than one fringe with an anti-Semitic narrative is converging, as in the Alex Jones and Truther types weighing in to the OWS group? Let’s say that a set of these nutjob groups each have an anti-Semitic fringe. Well, if you concentrated them all in one spot you would come up with a reasonable percentage of it … giving the impression to the impressionable that it’s legitimate. Hope this makes sense.
“The Left” is not what it used to be in the 19th and early 20th centuries. In those days, it was internationalist and denounced any form of particularism, e.g. Judaism and Zionism. But today “the Left” is really social democratic, which was always anticommunist. Today’s “Left” is populist. I explained some of this here: http://clarespark.com/2009/12/16/perceptions-of-the-enemy-the-left-looks-at-the-right-and-vice-versa/. But for the New Left, a veiled kind of antisemitism was the route to assimilation and power, for that is what liberal elites announced as I wrote here: http://clarespark.com/2011/10/15/baltzell-on-the-good-jews/. Baltzell’s book, The Protestant Establishment was published in 1964 and laid out the road map to elite status, which was to embrace “moderation” in all things.
Maybe time for some counter demonstrations by the Tea Party to show who has the numbers and the energy?
And then these donkey mayors (yeah, Bloomberg’s a donkey in an elephant costume) will suddenly find all kinds or reasons not to issue the permit.
Yeah, I think we could get a far bigger crowd or short notice. If we could get the permits. Tea Party people won’t be steamrolling anyone. See the video at Big Gov where a capitalist pig did a question and answer session at LA Occupie. Even had some intelligent discussions. And, lo and behold, found some noisy support for Mr. Herman Cain. Mixed in with the Commies and Nazisare some smart kids who would find a better home in the Tea Party.
The Tea Party would also respect Gaia, and clean their shit up after themselves. Frakking occupiers are a bunch of pigs.
They run out of money to agitate. It is too costly to pay $4/gal gas to bus the professional agitators around the country to demonstrate, and pay them $22/hr plus OT and free UPS delivered Godfather pizzas.
Steve: Tea Partyers have to go to work, and they demonstrate in the voting booths.
As you see more and more of the OWS crowds, they all voted for Dear Leader– young kids, unionistas, professional Leftists.
Most are incapable of seeing the effects of the deficit/regulatory state being imposed on the economy, at the same time the very finanical interests they claim to oppose get swipe card access to the Oval Office and billions in one form or another. A few see it all too plainly and wish to use it to their ends– political power that serves their agenda.
And, as always with the Left, it’s about identity. And the one identity you never want to have, at any time any place in history where trouble is brewing, is being a Jew.
As Mark Steyn has said, the Jews are the canaries in history’s coalmine. A group of Leftist losers getting together to repeat mindless slogans and wave signs– well, boys, take off your yarmulkes if you don’t want trouble.
Went to the Richmond, VA OWS event yesterday to take the temperature of the crowd. Maybe 200 out of an area containing 1,200,000. Went over to a couple of the cops and identified myself as a Tea Party infiltrator checking out the scene. Cops told me they were TP sympathizers and sotto voce spoke disdain for the wannabe mob.
They asked me how many TP types were there and I knew of at least 5 of us.
They said they would adjust the official number of attendees down by 5. LOL.
One guy actually had the balls to put up a sign offering free Tea to the attendees and engaged in rigorous intellectual debate with the smelly hippies. It was great.
One funny thing I forgot. There was a guy there with a sign that said “Sharing is Caring-Karl Marx”.
I thought that was from the Care Bears or maybe Barney (the purple dinosaur not the Congressional dinosaur).
I looked for a quote like that from Marx in searches. Nothing even close.
“Sharing is Caring” is what the Marxists like to think that they believe in, but, in practice, all that they actually share is misery.
“Sharing” at the point of a gun is the Marxist way of sharing. Not the sort of sharing advocated by those who really care for others.
Mr. Simon’s post is redolent of the denialism common on the Far Right when inconvenient realities challenge cult doctrine. Notice how he focuses on the number of people at a single event in a single place without acknowledging how the “occupy” movement has spread rapidly across the country and the world? And notice how he fails to mention the recent poll that showed that OWS is viewed favorably by far more Americans than the fading Tea Party?
http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/13/why-occupy-wall-street-s-more-popular-than-the-tea-party/
Oh, no. Simon would rather pretend that OWS is a trivial phenomenon, promoted by the evil mainstream media (which largely ignored it until it was impossible to ignore) and “various hustlers (race and union) and a sprinkling of the leftover acid damaged.”
John,
We do not trivialize when organized enemies of the state orchestrate angry tantrums from their useful idiots. Not at all. Nor are we amused.
You are a danger to yourselves and the country.
But the Tea Party has grown up. We merely used our first public events to mobilize and now we are working within the system to defeat you and your champions.
Be afraid, John.
Not one coherent message. Not one.
You want to be taken seriously, tell us what you want. And not gauzy, illusory things like “end of capitalism”. (I mean, seriously, Dear Leader isn’t raking in hundreds of millions in campaign contributions from the hundreds [hundreds, I say!] marching.)
Go ahead, John, start chanting “four more years”. I dare you. You can’t, and won’t, so you need to go after “the banks” and “the system” and “the man”.
Is it more pathetic or laughable? I don’t know, I go back and forth so often…
“Is it more pathetic or laughable?”
I vote for pathetically laughable. How many of these lefty shills have we seen over the years?
These deluded “comrades” seem to think posting juvenile snarks is going to convince someone. Especially if they add a link to a “new” poll, or study or survey or whatever. What is up with lefties and their slavish devotion to vacuous authority?
John you’re right that OWS has spread all over the world. You think it’s put a spotlight on your agenda – it absolutely has.
The catch is that your politics – unlike ours – don’t improve with deeper examination. A catchy surface message is what has sustained the Left all these decades, and it worked on all of us in our youth.
But there’s a threat of transparency that we didn’t have back then: The Web lets us peek under the hood for the details and draw our own conclusions. Global warming would have prevailed decades ago when media was unquestioned, without the ability for the public to research on our own or even to communicate.
OWS is such a painfully satirical and obvious throwback to the teenage and college years of adults today that it’s impossible not to laugh at the efforts of insiders to take themselves seriously. Oh, the memories of smug sanctimony mixed with complete ignorance.
Really John, your challenge is not to stick it to The Man holding the puppet strings of your tormented existence. News flash: that challenge is teenage myth.
Your challenge is to join the adults and take your place as a great American and contributor to our wonderful human society.
Someone (say, the Koch brothers) should really buy a bunch of copies of “Reckless Endangerment: How Outsized Ambition, Greed, and Corruption Led to Economic Armageddon” and distribute them to the protesters (at least the college kids). They can even tell them that The Nation called Gretchen Morgenson “The Most Important Financial Journalist of Her Generation”. Oh, the cognitive dissonance that would ensue.
I have had the same idea but it was to have conservative groups buy copies of the book you mentioned or The Secret Knowledge, or anything by Thomas Sowell / Shelby Steele and donate them to those who might be willing to read while camping out. I’ve looked as used book prices and plan to make this proposal to a local Tea Party group to see if anyone wants to chip in.
@#7; More like the 0.0099%! They look like the stupid demonstrating students of the late’60s’. A bunch of spoiled brats failing to take responsibilty for their poor choices in life. They’ll be tolerated by the vast majority of the people for a while; when they get to total stupid, they’ll be slapped down hard. The nation isn’t as tolerant of stupid as they used to be.
“The nation isn’t as tolerant of stupid as they used to be.”
OK that’s not what I’m seeing. Maybe that’s because I’m in California. I sure hope you’re right.
The reason that the turnouts re so low is that this is not a “movement”; it is a community organizer event, premised on the perception that al that all 20-year -olds are socialists and thrill-seekers.
These are “OWie parties” as in “Nanny, I got any OWie. Kiss it better and give me an organic ice cream cone. or I’ll pee on the carpet.” It is an “Occupy Woodstock” community of cry-babies, self-celebrating YouTubers, ludicrous in their “demands”. intent on getting themselves arrested on camera. They are euphoric in the attention they are getting from the journolists who are hyping them because it is the only good thing they’ve got going. They have no cause beyond adolescent gratification, no organization beyond Soros/Acorn organizers, no future beyond a few weeks in the Pravda, and a negative impact on Obama’s campaign. Move On – to ignonamy and defeat!
The “occupy” gave us a warning of what will happened when we will start taking entanglements from those who now on the receiving end. We thought we are not Greece and what happened in Russia hundred years ago can’t happened here… because… because… we have Internet, or some other nonsense like that. It is a dress rehearsed, a small scale one. They want your money. They do not want to do anything to get them. They believe (some of them) they they entitled. Others just want your money and bigger piece of the pie period. The “occupy” worked – it showed them that they “can.” It showed them that the media and the local authorities and the government is either afraid o them or on their said. Yes, they finally can! Be ware – if you will take something from them, or will not give them what they want, there will be millions on the streets throwing stones into windows of offices and factories that feed them. So, what will you do? I bet most of the country will agree to give a bit here and a little bit there… because this is what spineless people do. this is how the frog theory works. Marx was right – it works!
I was so tempted, but admittedly too cowardly, to participate in the Human Microphone. A considerable wingman team would be required to get video of it and to provide security after the drones realized they are being punked.
I first realized it when one of the guys speaking yesterday was wearing his kerchief over his face in uber cool anarchist style. Then someone hollered, ‘It is a felony in Virginia to wear a mask.’ To which the crowd responded, ‘It is a felony in Virgnia to wear a mask.’
This gave me an idea. Wouldn’t it be great if someone were to get before the rabble, butter them up a bit, then bring down the hammer as they mindlessly repeated what was said.
Here’s take one, in its infancy stage.
‘I would rather be here’….I would rather be here
‘Than with the greatest minds in the world.’… than with the greatest minds in the world.
‘The most important thing.’…. the most important thing.
‘That you have contributed to mankind.’…. that you have contributed to mankind.
‘Is absolutely nothing.’…. is absolutely…HEY….WAIT A MINUTE!
Then run like hell.
Read this from Breitbart: http://biggovernment.com/thomasryan/2011/10/14/the-email-archive-of-the-occupywallstreet-movement-anarchists-socialists-jihadists-unions-democrats/
This may be more scary than we think, especially the al-Qeda connection. The kids out there are being very useful idiots if any of what Breitbart is reporting is true. More scary still is that O seems to be supporting them. What kind of a moron did this country elect?
I don’t know where these protestors get this 99% nonsense. If anything, they should call themselves the 64%, since they are part of the 64% of the US population that does not work. Or maybe the 50%, since they are part of the 50% of US households that are on some form of government assistance.
I also love the fact that Obama has embraced them. It shows just how out of touch he and his handlers are with the average American. Eventually though, he’s going to have to throw them under the bus, after they have outlived their political usefulness.
I’ve seen this movie and the remakes a few times now and each remake is worse than the original. Hell I I participated and got plenty of t- shirts to prove it. First was Stalin’s gulags, then Mao’s Cultural Revolution madness and then Pol Pot’s Killing Fields. All started out hating the 1% and promoting class hatred. Luckily I came to my senses and decided I didn’t want to be part of the making of the American Nightmare which is what the spoiled narcissistic children of privilege at Occupy Wall Street are hoping to create…
If you think that’s puny, you should see the pathetically small “Occupy Hartford” crowd.
Hartford, of course, has a lot of insurance companies HQed there, as well as some other financial companies. I also work in a building with United Technologies, which is often targeted for protest due to its DOD contracts. So a couple weeks ago, on a Friday afternoon, we were warned that the OH crowd would be marching by around rush hour time. I need not have been concerned as the group was at most only a couple hundred, barely able to fill up on block, on one side of the street, on one sidewalk.
I wondered if they’d go again last Friday, and sure enough they did… this time with only a couple dozen people. Definitely puny in comparison with the preparation for the Saturday marathon. They could have packed the whole group in one of the marathon tents, plastered with ING logos all over them, and have had room left over for hundreds of people.
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