Barack Obama has an Israel problem. I won’t say a Jewish problem, because that wouldn’t be “politically correct.” As we all know, anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism (or is it?).
Anyway, the President’s Israel problem couldn’t be more obvious and it seems to have increased, or should I say metastasized, in parallel with his popular decline, almost in the way that classic Jew hatred increased during times of economic downturn (Weimar Republic, etc.) Not that anyone who spent two decades in Reverend Wright’s church with its hero worship of Louis Farrakhan and generally racist tinge was likely to be philo-Semitic. But things have gotten worse. Indeed, his very close friends at the New York Times are now reporting that the President, in the wake of the supposedly surprise announcement of new Jewish housing units in Jerusalem, “has seized control of Middle East policy himself.” They go on to note : “Mr. Obama, incensed by that snub, has given Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a list of demands, and relations between the United States and Israel have fallen into a chilly standoff.”
Incensed by the snub? List of demands. Chilly standoff? In other words, as we say in Hollywood, this time it’s personal. But should it be? How odd. A week or so ago, I wrote a post describing Barack Obama as President Weirdo. Indeed here we have more evidence of this psychological disturbance, because this response to Israel is not in the realm of the rational. It is highly neurotic. Somewhere in the unconscious of Barack Obama are a stew of forces now directed (or cathected) on the Jewish state and its leader. Not a healthy state of affairs for anyone. (Well, maybe for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.)
“..seized control of Middle East policy himself..”
So that means no one’s at the wheel. Hmmm. It’s a damned shame it’s taking so long for the Jewish liberal public to wake up. Let’s hope it’s not too late.
“So that means no one’s at the wheel.”
The MASTER is at the helm. We worry muchly over what we cannot fathom or control in the end.
Our fate is written in the scriptures.
Be prepared. Israelis are some of the strongest, kickin’ arse awesome people (both women and men) EVAH. These people who are God’s chosen ones will do what God has planned them to ultimately do.
Jesus is my JEWISH Saviour who shed his blood so I could be saved even though I’m not Jewish and I’m plenty filled with sin, which is something God saw as irreconcilable (sin by nature) but, he loved us so much he gave his only begotten son (JEWISH) from heaven and gave him as a HUMAN sacrifice for HUMANITY (both his creations). If that isn’t one loving, forgiving, awesomely cool, ferociously loyal and generous GOD, I dunno what is?
My prayers for Israel and Americans are one and the same, without Israel, America has lost its soul and reason and being. In my heart, this hurts me to the core.
Be prepared. Always.
“He hid this, to some extent, during his political campaign”
Not really. Some people were simply not paying attention. A number of us, however, took it for granted. Obama’s own books clearly revealed his hostility towards the West. This inevitably would result in a desire to “nudge” both Israel and the United States to ask forgiveness for allegedly persecuting the darker skin people of the world. I consistently warned that Israel should bomb Iran if Obama won the election. One does not attend a church for some twenty years led by a racist and anti-Semitic pastor—and not have a lot of it rub off on you. Left-wing postmodernists are usually anti-Israel. Someone like Marty Peretz is a rare exception. The reality is that countless normally insightful voters preferred to ignore the evidence because of their overwhelming desire to participate in a historically significant election.
It didn’t have to rub off. I can’t imagine anyone staying in a church with a racist, anti-semitic preacher for a single weekend, unless one was already racist and anti-semitic oneself.
Roger – when do we take a page from the civil rights book, and have a march on Washington. Jew, Non-Jew, Liberal, Conservative, etc to get our country back. How about hunger strikes, civil disobedience, etc.
We really are living in dangerous times.
This was obviously in the cards. Just consider his middle name! During the campaign we were assured over and over that it meant nothing, but in politics the more you are assured something is unimportant — nothing to see here, move along — the more you can be sure that it’s very significant indeed. I’m afraid Isreal is going to pay a steep price indeed for the “privilege” of sharing the planet with “America’s first black president” …
What Obama has done is create a situation where Israeli Jews no longer trust in the good intent nor longevity of executive US good will. The peace process is dead as a dead dog and no amount of threats, cajoling will change the opinion of the Israeli public. Obama is someone that Israeli Jews simply cannot trust
To rephrase what you said:
Regardless of who is elected president next, Israeli’s will know that the next president could be another Obama. No matter what promises America makes to Israel, the next Obama will break them.
Bingo. A completely isolated Israel who cannot count on a single other country in the world is not going to make any moves that will make it more vulnerable. So Obama’s impetuous snit will actually work against his objective. Unless his objective is to weaken Israel and make her survival uncertain. And frankly, at this point, I’m not at all sure that that isn’t really what he’s on about.
Obama wants to get reelected, just like any other politician. For that reason he won’t let himself get too far from what he judges to be the Center of US political life. After his 2nd inaugural address it might be a different story, but even then, if the economy continues to improve and the lid has not (yet) blown off the Middle East, he’ll probably be reelected.
You are not paying attention. The lid is blowing off the Middle East RIGHT NOW. Syria has delivered SCUD missiles to Hezbollah. War is imminent. President Obama will probably blame it on someone else, as he always seems to. He will not be re-elected. And by the time the election comes around, even he will be glad about that.
When it was pointed out to him that his fight for health care was diminishing his chances of re-election, Obama stated that he would rather be a good one term president than a mediocre two term president.
This president will not moderate for anyone or anything. He may say somewhat moderate things from time to time, but his actions will never be moderate.
*sigh*
And who’s gonna tell the imposter-in-chief now that he actually is a mediocre one term President?
Does it matter, if he doesn’t listen?
The voters. Awakened from their slumber, their hopenchange dream, to find their nation in a death spiral and a college-dorm Marxist dismatling our defenses, our alliances and what stability exists in the world. Or maybe we won’t awake. And then we will get what we deserve.
Honestly, I don’t think Obama believes he can lose. The press have deified him, and his own tightly-bound circle of advisors and staff are not going to tell him the truth. We may know he’s a one-term president (not mediocre, but he most certainly doesn’t. He’s not mediocre, though. This guy has been a spectacular success at failure.
“Too far from the center?” You’re raving mad. Obama is so far to the Left, even Vladimir Putin thinks so. Obama is closer to Mao. Read your history.
“. . .Obama stated. . .” Right there is the crux of the error of your observation: not one single thing he says can be taken at face value. Not. One. Single. Thing. F
Either sometime around the summer of 2011 when it becomes clear he won’t be re-elected, or after November of 2011 when he has lost, this man is going to do whatever he wants.
And whatever he wants is going to be ugly in every way.
Good for you, good for Ron Lauder, and good for every supporter or Israel – Jewish and non-Jewish – that speaks up. Here in Israel, our leaders are doing their best to couch their concerns about the American administration in super-diplomatic language. And why shouldn’t they? After all, American support is supposed to be the only thing standing between us and the Iranian bomb (not to mention all our other existential threats that have become just become part of the wallpaper). For a long time, we’ve been conditioned to show fealty to the Americans at all cost… after all, if we lose them, we lose our only friend in the world.
But with Obama quite pointedly turning his back on America’s traditional support for Israel, we’re left in a quandry. Speak up, and we’re chastised for “overreacting” (don’t know how that’s possible in this situation) or conflating a political disagreement with anti-Semitism. Stay quiet, and we’re building the walls of our own ghetto and putting a great big bulls-eye on the top of the Azrieli Tower in Tel Aviv.
Scary times indeed.
In the “Stranger things have happened” department, this president is teaching the American electorate, through the school of hard knocks, everything that is wrong with the world view of those who came back from college with big words, expedited “thinking” and little else, and why it is a terrible mistake to elevate them to positions they cannot possibly command responsibly. Unfortunately, the tuition for the school of hard knocks is painful to pay, and the rest of the western world in general and Israel in particular are sharing the pain.
On the other hand, folks here in the US are waking up and their resolve to turn things around is only getting more firm by the day. America will be unable to support and protect Israel until it recovers its true spirit from the depth of its current funk. This president is blundering in all directions and seems to get mostly the opposite of what he is seeking. This is painful, but it is also cathartic, and ultimately salutary. I can only hope and pray that nothing catastrophic happens in the meantime. I am not a Jew, but I am anxious to keep the precarious and flickering flame going.
That’s right, Israel must wake up from its funk. It is happening, but not fast enough. Obama is an opportunity. He is an opportunity for liberal Israelis to remember that we are ‘a people that dwells alone’ and to take pride in this, not to tremble before the nations, and not before our enemies.
There is a simultaneous process happening to that of Israelis becoming totally alienated from this Admin. It is that of the Israeli Left discrediting itself with the Israeli Center through events like the Anat Kam espionage and the reliable attacks on Israel’s cause by its own chattering classes.
The problem is, that if we make it through the Obama years and a reasonable person is elected President – not a crazy Marxian pro-Islamist with a bad personality – then Israelis will probably return to relying on the US.
The bottom line is that Israeli policy is partly and up to this point reliably based on this assumption of ‘American love’ – it has never held up to the facts of policy. In that regard, the Obama-Brzezinski-Powers-Jones-Clinton Israel-bangers are doing us a favor. Showing us the jealousy of ‘Esau’ and shining a light on our light.
Obama was never vetted by the MSM and the GOP candidate was too weak for the nitty gritty of political combat.
When I saw Obama’s speech in the Summer of 08 in Berlin I strongly believed that the American electorate would be repulsed at the narcissism ( sic transit gloria mundi).
We have more people with degrees than ever before but we also have the most doltish electorate ever.
The credentials are often phony. Academic standards have overall sharply declined since affirmative action policies became the norm in our “elite” universities during the 1960s. This is especially the case in the softer disciplines. Griggs vs. Duke Power inadvertently made things much worse. Any degree granted after 1975 should be held suspect. Think about that for a moment. I am essentially asserting that most people under the age of fifty-five who attended college—probably received a second rate education.
Make that most people under 65 years of age.
The high school graduate of 1960 easily had more on the ball than today’s typical soft science college graduate.
OH! I do agree… I have spent the last 30 years since
my graduation in 1979 trying to make up for this.
My grandmother, who only received an 8th
grade education,was better equipped and more
well read than than many of the children pouring
onto college campuses today…
I’m sure you are not exaggerating about your grandmother. I have two friends who are high school teachers. One of them teaches in a private school—and the other in a public school setting. The latter can go on for hours with the retelling of his everyday horror stories. We literally do have a situation where countless high school graduates may not be able to read their diplomas! And yet, a number will be accepted into college.
Obama will be in my neck of the woods very soon, visiting Australia and indeed Sydney and Canberra… I stand ready willing and able to not only attempt to put questions to The One but also liveblog on his activities.
The Australian press is supine, extremely left wing, appallingly badly educated, howlingly ignorant- and so flattered and fawning that the Professor is bothering to visit us… Despite the fact he blew us off earlier and is only doing it now because he doesn’t have a freaking friend left in the world.
Any chance we could work out a trade? I’d take a wallaby in exchange.
Give’im the finger for me, will ya?
Just to point out, Kibbutzim are NOT socialist success stories – they are failures: http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2007/09/the_transformat.html.
I know it was jus an aside in your post, but that’s how left-wing mythology creeps into conversation, becomes accepted wisdom, and flavors the Zeitgeist.
Don’t take anything for granted. If an off-hand comment suppports left-wing ideology (e.g. the New Deal shortened/eased/ended the Depression), then doubt and verify before going along. Nine times out of ten, it will turn out to be media/academia driven myth.
One must wonder who is advising Obama on his Middle East policy and what they expected to achieve?
Did they really advise him to wager his political credibility on an issue when Netanyahu’s ideolology, strategy, political and personal survival and Israel’s historical position all compell him to refuse? An issue where no potential Israeli replacement could have answered differently?
Did they think America’s standing would be enhanced by his hostility to Israel or would plummet when Israel, inevitably, defied him? It doesn’t seem to work. Potential allies in the Arab/Muslim world all ask themselves if America would do this to Israel how much room under the bus is there for me?
Who is advising him? The voices from his past, of course. Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. All those Marxist professors he said he cultivated in college. The radicals, “activists” and terrorists he palled around with his whole life. They all hate Israel, and truth be known, most hate the Jews, most explicitly the Wrights and Farrakhans. American Jewry, along with sickening numbers of other citizens, willfully ignored the obvious signs of Obama’s lifelong indoctrination against the Jews, just as they ignored his lifelong indoctrination of the rest of the Hard Left catechism. It is those voices and influences from his entire past that are “advising” his narrow and twisted little mind, on Israel and on everything else. He has utter contempt for any other view, and that at least becomes more bleedingly obvious daily.
What they expected to achieve?
They don’t think much — they “opine.”
America’s reputation is obviously not of concern to them, quite the contrary, despite Obama’s Orwellian rhetoric.
Expected was to topple Netanyahu’s government so they could get the left’s agreement to an immediate Palestinian State — they achieved the opposite.
On to Plan B — if they can get away with it — they will support the U.N. establishing a Palestinian State next year.
Safety — Security — War — Death — Hell — Genocide — is not of Obama’s concern. He wants to be known as the One who brought about a Palestinian State whatever the cost. If he can’t get it done sooner, he will attempt to do it during his “lame duck” period.
The Arab allies, potential or otherwise, have been playing the US for as long as I can remember.
The ‘ally’ narrative has been pushed by the Baker Botts lobbyists and those ex-diplomats drawing their “pensions” from the Muslim world.
America can, if it so chooses, be completely energy independent of the Middle East and far more secure, but there would be far fewer ultra-wealthy ex-politicians and diplomats raised on the petroleum teat.
And to think that traitors are only those who steal and sell documents whilst those selling their inheritance for a mess of pottage walk free.
David Thomson: You are right sir, I am not sure of the time line when this occured, but as a Geologist(M.S.)I can attest that people that majored in Education were the least academically prepared students at my university.
The occupation must end for there to be peace on Earth. Move them to Utah or the Nevada desert and maybe they can live in peace there. Perpetual war for perpetual peace isn’t working. Remember that President Blackbush won the Nobel Peace prize.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want any Palestinians moved to this country.
“…As we all know, anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism (or is it?)…”
Martin Luther King, a far more important African American than Barack Obama, stated plainly and unequivocally that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. So why do you hesitate, Roger?
MLK, unlike most African Americans, recognized that fully fifty percent of Whites who marched with him were Jewish. MLK’s “I have a dream speach” was borrowed directly from Theodore Herzl’s address to the Second Zionist Conference. Jewish money and organizational skills founded the NAACP. During the anti-Black progrom, remembered in the history books as the “Draft Riots” when 70.000 whites rose in an organized revolt against the Union and Confederate flags flew in New York and Blacks were tortured, lynched and mutilated in the streets by the score, the only hospital to open its doors to the wounded and fleeing victims was Jewish.
I didn’t think Obama was anti-Semitic during the campaign but recent events leave little doubt as to his hardening mindset on the subject of Israel and, inevitably, Jews. And as Jewish opposition to his policies grows he will only dig his heels in harder. Compromise and conciliation are not this president’s MO. As you have correctly concluded, the problem is personal and psychological.
One of the main reasons why I am so outraged at the behaviour of blacks today, particularly the blatant anti-semitism of Sharpton, Jackson, et al, is because of the Jewish support and funding of the NAACP and the civil rights movement. Jews have been betrayed by blacks over the past 40 years, especially by those who willingly convert to Islam and viciously turn against us. In my youth, I had a great affinity for blacks, but no more. Their perfidious nature towards those who have always supported and defended them has hardened my heart.
Clearly you do not understand the “African-American Culture”, but I am shocked that it took you 40 years to realize it. Now you feel “deserted” . . . come on . . . they were never with YOU . . . the Jewish Culture falls for any line . . . with just as much understanding the Jewish people climbed on the Holocaust trains . . . and with the same understanding NOW you are on the “Obamanation Trains” . . . it is good that you are finally realizing that Obama basically gave Iran the go ahead last week to NUKE you . . . the US will not get involved . . . Get it?
I am a Native American . . . tell me where and I will readily come bear arms to protect the freedom of the Jewish Nation . . . problem is YOU will not have ME!!! LOL Go figure.
Tallgrass,
It’s not true I know of an American Indian who served in the Israeli armed forces and he was proud of the fact. Since that time his has taken an Israeli wife and proudly raised a family there. Please contact the Council General of your area. As far as I know, there are foreign volunteers serving in the IDF. By the way I am proud to say as a child I was made a member of the Omaha tribe and consider myself both Jewish and Native American.
Hello Oscar;
I suspect that you are most correct and sincerely appologize for making such a statement. Of course my limitation is age, I am just to old to serve in the armed forces. Perhaps sometimes I feel discriminated againist because of my years, lol. Please forgive me. I am a nuclear engineer . . . what do you think? . . . would my service to Israel be appropriate in that area? lol I am very proud of your considering yourself a Native American. Truly, being a Native American is something from the heart and a commitment from the soul. The native languages are without terms to describe color or race, perhaps designators of different tribes, but most Natives see only individual human beings.
@David Levavi: i didn’t think Obama was anti-Semitic during the campaign.
Come on. What is his name? Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
How could you NOT think he was a vicious Jew hating jerk? NO.
We had websites all over “Jews Against Obama” blog, JTF.ORG, Jews Against Obama.org. Atlas Shrugs. ETC.
There is NO excuse, and repentance is now necessary- ASAP.
We need to BEG G-d to forgive liberal Jewish folk. Norm Podhoretz has a book against liberalism, Dave Horowitz as well, MANY books.
There is NO excuse for our blood brothers in Israel to be sent out to dry because you all put PARTY before your ownselves.
May G-d have mercy on you all, I have NONE left.
“Some of the more famous ones in my hometown of Hollywood (Steven Spielberg, Barbra Streisand, David Geffen – supposedly great friends of Israel) have been as quiet as clams. But finally one is speaking up. Ron Lauder . . .”
WHO? “More famous” you say?
The endless enclaves of Liberal Jewish “Intellectuals” in America are the Mensheviks of today, and like in Russia of the 1920s, they will also go to the wall. Better they go there now than they (Rahm, etc.) are permitted to do any more damage.
Roger, you were part of that ethos as a young man. Can’t you use your own experience to dissuade them, at least as well as you preach to our choir? Go get a Spielberg for us, for Pete’s sake!
“The endless enclaves of Liberal Jewish “Intellectuals” in America are the Mensheviks of today.”
It may be a source of some amusement that one of the most prominent Russian Mensheviks was Pavel Axelrod.
“If this goes on much longer, he may even change the voting patterns of the American Jewish public. Stranger things have happened. Just wait.”
It’s already happening. For a long time I felt politically isolated, but that’s no longer true. I’m truly jaw-droppingly stunned at the changes I’ve seen in people I know. The future is going to be more interesting than anyone can imagine.
Nonsense. The Liberal Jewish “intellectuals” (Spielberg? Intellectual? Well, that’s the moniker) are just doing a ritual ‘duck and cover’ seeing as how they don’t know which way the scythe is swinging. Their useful idiot progress won’t be deterred. And you bet, they’re going to give us a real interesting future, at least those of us that survive.
Quite right. We bandy that term around (intellectual) for liberal rantings. If one were to really reflect on almost any issue that progressives advocate it is destructive of society.
“If this goes on much longer, he may even change the voting patterns of the American Jewish public.”
I’m not a betting man, but this won’t happen. And it’s almost a betting the house moment.
I believe that Obama is clinically Narcissistic. I’m not a psychiatrist, but he meets enough of the diagnostic criteria, the grandiosity, the sense of entitlement, the lack of empathy, etc. It seems very common among Left-leaning public figures. Of course, that doesn’t exclude his having other “issues”.
One narcissistic trait he exhibits is that he sucks up to authority figures (kings, princes, dictators) and treats officials from representative governments with undisguised contempt. I wonder how the Left would react if Obama’s successor apologized for Obama’s treatment of Honduras?
“Even though we hate to admit it,
America is still a Super Power.”
04-15-2010- Barry Obama, your president and Israels
friendthorn.I think a President should be Impeached for uttering words like that, even Jimmy Carter is rolling over in his grave.
Oh He Is?
Sorry!
My wife said Carter is still alive.
Anyway…
We have a weak sister in office.
Thanks for the laugh!
Too bad there is no law now that would allow impeachment for this and other remarks — but there could be a future petition urging a Republican Congress and President to at least
censure and condemn a U.S. President for demeaning his country — especially while on foreign soil, or to express disdain for its power and hopes for its diminishment — or better —
to pass a law making it impeachable in the future (retroactive?).
Did you say this would impinge upon a President’s Free Speech? No. He can say whatever he wants. No one was suggesting jail. He just can’t be the President if he demeans his country.
Aqua,
Why no jailtime? I’m suggesting it. We used to call much of the Obamanation not just treachery, but treason, sedition, sabotage.
Carter? Well…sure…technically.
LarryD writes, “I believe that Obama is clinically Narcissistic. I’m not a psychiatrist, but he meets enough of the diagnostic criteria,…” I know of at least two psychiatrists who say he is: Charles Krauthammer is one, the second is an Israeli psychiatrist who’s a leading expert on NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder).
I’m rather skeptical of America’s Jewish liberals turning against Obama on this issue. Recent polling shows a majority (56% or so) sticking with Obama on this issue, and my oldest nephew remains a KoolAid-drunk supporter who openly defends Obama’s treatment of Netanyahu.
If there are any Israelis left who think Obama is the least bit interested in stopping the Iranian bomb, I’d like their names. They might want that bridge across San Francisco Bay I have for sale. No, this administration has long ago thrown Israel under the bus. If I was Israel, I’d be warming up the war-planes now for a series of bombing runs over Iran. Waiting for Obama to do something, anything, to change Iran’s course is pure folly. Obviously, this is going to get real ugly, real quick. I have no doubt the loudest critic of any unilateral action by Israel will be no other than Barack Hussein Obama. So I say to my freinds in Israel, you’re going to have to recall Winston Churchill following the fall of Paris. You’re going to have to square your shoulders and turn toward the enemy, saying “…then we’ll face them alone…”
My fellow friends please be advised that barack obama is an icon for the failure of USA. Israel will prevail despite all treason by such leadership. Lets not think that US is a god or some thing. The more the challenge the more Israel will strong. And there will come time Isreal stands alone and all those who think it is dependent will shut their lips. Obama has spirit of Islam haterdness to Jewish. it is spirit that says 4 women for one man …..
Now, listen carefully:
Obama wants armed conflict wherever he can find it. Because his masters, the Rothschilds, finance both sides in every war and sell provisions and arms to both sides in every war. They are Jews, but nor Zionists. They set up Israel in order to have a permanent source of cash flow from subsidizing the endless conflicts which inevitably follow from the presence of a non-arab democracy in the insane, satanic world of arab nationalism, exemplified by Jihad. So, don’t put all the blame on the Houseboy. He is only answering the massa’s call.
Jews secretly run the world. Got it.
Now please find your rock, and crawl back under it.
White Tiger, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
Please, take your medication.
it’s extra groovy to be running the world, this very day i will stop by any bank in the world and haul out a laundry bag of cash and gold sovereigns. then i have to pick up my coupon from the jew agency for a free coop on park avenue.
I must be going to the wrong window. All I got was a coupon for a free latte at Starbucks.
Right. The Rothschilds and the Babylonian Brotherhood. And the Illuminati. I heard they have custody of Obama’s birth certificate too, right White Tiger?
Guess we don’t have to look very hard for our first “Tea Party Crasher.” Just check out #22 “White Tiger’s” anti-semitic screed.
White Tiger would benefit from a 230-grain suppository.
A) I think this proves Obumer was “born in the USA”; otherwise Israel would “rat” him out.
B) I think the USA has a bigger problem than Israel; Israel now knows and treats the USA: like duplicitous spies. But Americans have no idea what treachery awaits them:
1) If Israel, G-d forbid, loses the USA will fall faster and harder than: “The Commuless Moscow Weapons Company” (aka”: USSR) promised communism delivered slavery to a military industrial complex (and the song remains essentially the same)…I delivered that message to congress in June 1986 along with the prediction: “downfall by popular uprising of the government operating out of Moscow…similar to the way the government in the Philippines fell…not a bad call for an “arm chair” analyst…
2)That is to bad for the American Israel non-supporters…Israel goes and you are gone!
C)Israel will, please G-d, win anyway: “what they throw at Israel will not work”.
D) Simon: you are such a diplomat and so polite; can not be easy…
Well written article. I can remember a syndicated radio commentator saying that the American Jewish Community was blithly going along with the election of Mr. Obama and it was not unlike them digging their own graves. I thought it over the top then — and I still do –but it was abundantly clear then — and is clear now — that this President has a disdain for the Jewish State that we have never seen before and it will result in a war; and the existence of Israel will depend on that war’s outcome. Israel is alone now … without the U.S. support (and I don’t think it can count on it with Mr. Obama as Commander in Chief) and without any ally in Europe, things have never been darker for this staunch — even if self-interested — State.
Oddly enough they have had one supporter in Europe: The Germans who have sold and delivered several submarines capable of launching missiles.
Obama is withdrawing. He’s working for/with Russian or Chinese interests and they want us gone. The Saudi’s want us gone. Our drones will suppress troublesome terrorists–but that helps the Saudi’s/Chinese etc. too.
The one chance–spreading liberty by encouraging the democrats in Iran and elsewhere in the region was scuttled.
Take in an Israeli exchange student. Get them out of there.
We’ve lived the ghetto life long enough. Better die in our own land if it comes to this. Thus, I don’t think there will be too many Israeli exchange students to host. Although I do appreciate your willingness to help.
You see, what we are witnessing right now is infinitely bigger than me, you, the wonderful host of this blog, various elected and unelected power figures, intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals et cetera. The pieces are falling into their respective places for the final round. It just can’t be otherwise, for we’ve been given plenty of chances to make it right, and failed. Now it’s time for the Creator to intervene. It’s not gonna be pretty, but it’s gonna be just.
If you truly want to help, just pray for us. And do it like you’ve never done it before. Because, in all honesty, you will be praying for yourself as well.
Every president has maybe one or two issues that define them. Bush had the wars, the deficit and the economy. Clinton had the deficit, economy and infidelity. Carter wanted Israel to be his defining moment, but that is still under review. Will the Arab and Israeli belong to Obama? I dont think so, but who knows? I think that will be up to Israel in the end, dont you? After all, in the end, Ireland was not an Irish or American problem…it was an Irish problem.
so,
Good Luck to them !
Poor Citizen – that was poorly expressed. I could guess what you tryed to write , but … Dear G.d!!!
As for the thought – What were you trying to say? What is obamba’s “Defining Moment” is?????
Your right ! I was in a hurry, a friend was stuck because of the UK air closure so I got busy….It was poorly expressed and I did mean to say…..”was not a British or American problem, it was an Irish problem.
As for Obama.s defining moment or…what defined his presidency? I am afraid we will not know until “after” he leaves office. Its too early to tell, but something tells me it will something bigger than health care, though that one, historically, will be tough to beat.
Now where did I put my thought to pen to paper orgaizer? Thanks for the input.
Northern Ireland was not a British problem? Hm.
BTW, why did you forget to write that American hostages, inflation and malayse were Carter’s “themes”? Read up on American history, comrade.
I agree with your assessment of the past presidents and our present one. Obama will have very little impact on Israel or the peace process until both sides agree to the terms which appear unlikely in the near or foreseeable future.
Obama’s reelection chances are getting slimmer and slimmer all the time. With the lost of some or all of Congress likely this year and the economy not improving, his only shot is if the Republicans run Palin or someone of that ilk.
So my point you all is don’t worry be happy Obama is a one term wonder who will be replaced with another Republican government who will bomb, bomb, bomb Iran missing all those good Iranians (the pro democracy kind), but not North Korea for some reason.
I’m a little fuzzy on the Maccabean revolt. Even those
who saw a little bit of hellenization as okay, even they were driven to the arms of the Maccabees when Antiochus
little boots banned the Sabbath.
Am I correct?
I am confident that we see another exhibit of Henry Ford’s quote, “what we learn from history is, we do not learn from history”. Well, I would modify it. Some do
not learn from history. BHO is in that group which does
not learn from history.
barry, is not just ignorant and lazy and a liar, he’s also stupid. nothing he proposes is going to be put into effect unless it is in israel’s best interests. the so-called peace process (without peacemakers like sadat who the moslem arabs made sure to murder and a handful of other dead ones) is complete crap. petrol dollars support weird headlines that are wrong, untrue, fake and worthless junk, dummies love to stuff in their craw.
this weirdo president and the skank arabs would love to destroy israel. however,israelis and jews worldwide are weary of them all, the bullcrap fakenstinians most of all. likud has the right idea of how to deal with anti-semites.
Judy NYC,
Please do not confuse stupidity with cross-purpose or diametrical-opposition. To not recognize the “destruction” of our Nation and then not marvel at its “velocity” and scope is to be ill-informed.
Obama has been astonishingly successful at achieving his objectives, no? At the point where I hear the clank of the shackles, caring what the motivations of my kapo-wannabe are is unproductive. It boils down to that good vs. evil thing.
It’s like thinking VP Joe Biden is a “clown.” Dunce? Boob? He’s nonetheless got hisself next-in-line to be the most powerful guy on the planet. Must have other hidden talents, no? Misunderestimating their skills has always been a fatal mistake for the productive class.
somebody above says kibbutzim have been failures, not true at all. I lived and worked on one for years, not that long ago. Some have failed and they are hardly hard-core socialist these days (they actually combine private industry with ‘village socialism’ in complex ways, depends on the particular kibbutz), also all the kibbutzes are not alike, with different focuses, involved in different industries and agriculture, some are very secular, some are religious but in different ways to one another, some are small, some large. You cannot generalise about kibbutzim at all. Yet many of the kibbutzes are thriving again, after being in the doldrums for awhile. Certainly things have changed drastically on the kibbutzes, but what doesn’t change? The kibbutzim are the soul of Israel, without them we are just another nondescript Western nation, may as well just throw in the towel. Most of our rubber and plastics is now manufactured on kibbutzim. And of course they remain vital to our agriculture. Even though I don’t work on one anymore, all Israelis are glad they are there.
Raymond in DC at #19, yeah so many American Jews will never learn, just like plenty Israeli Jews here. And if they ever do wake up, well the hour is late, it is five minutes to midnight.
Larry, I have lived/worked on many kibbutzim and I can tell you that while I agree they kibbutzim still thrive, a large portion of the people that live there have a work ethic that SUCKS. That is why they import foreign kids to come and do the Joe jobs. One half of population works for the other half that refuse to. These once utopia socialist prototypes simply to not work. Socialism is nothing but smoke and mirrors and the kibbutz is a reflection of that.
Roger;
First, thank you for sticking up for Israel and the Jews.
I don’t think that Axelrod or Emanuel are loosing any sleep over this, and neither are the Hollywood moguls.
This may sound harsh, but the last three generations of intermarriage, acculturation and political correctness among American Jews has dissolved the familial bonds to Israel,Zionism and organized Jewish life in the Diaspora.
These people will not go to bat for Israel and will still enjoy their parties, if G-d forbid, Obama is successful in deleting Israel as an independent political entity.
I keep seeing posts on this site and others, mostly from our Christian friends, who can not understand how Jews voted overwhelmingly for Obama.
These people do not realize that there are 3 distinct, if somewhat overlapping Jewish communities in the US.
The JINOS (Jews in name only); These constitute about 50 % of what passes for American Jews today. They are secular progressives,their religion is the left of the Democratic party, and their Messiah is Obama;
The Authentic Jews; these make up about 25% of the community; They are the Orthodox, the conservative of the Conservative Jews, many first generation Jews from the FSR or Israel, and some secular but politically conservative Jews.
The In-between,or Morganthau Jews. These still have a pintele yid, which may be activated when they see indifference to Jewish peril as in the case of Secretary Morganthau during the Holocaust.
In short, Obama has 50-60% of the Jewish vote as a lock in 2012, regardless of his actions.
As to Axelrod, Emanuel, Soros and J street, we know what a kapo is.
well put Bigben, that’s it basically. It applies of course also to Jewry in Canada and the UK.
There are also other complex psychological factors, like denial and wishful thinking about both the anti-Semitism of the Left (for reasons having to do with inertia and historical allegiance to “liberalism” by Jewry) and the terrible truth about the depth and extent of the Jew-hatred of our enemies and its religious dimension, this explains much of the sheer moronism of liberal Jews in Israel, and in the Diaspora too. They just don’t want to know, the truth is too terrifying.
The introduction of Minority Quotas was a Democratic Party political ideal.
The Chinese Cultural Revolution might be a reliable template for for what is going to happen to the Middle Class in the USA.
Considering that the Black electorate could not have elected Hussein to the American presidency on their own, why in the world did white people end up giving the deciding votes to elect this Muslim Kenyan Hussein to lead America? After a year it appears that now the Minority Quota president is very unpopular because rather than govern as he was elected to do as a centrist, he has instead revealed his duplicity by revealing his true character and behaving as a Communist. Too be succinct, Hussein’s biggest crime is that he is f%#king with everyone’s money.
The few things Hussein has yet to do to complete his takeover of America is, first shut down the internet, take over education and turn it into a modern version of the Hitler Youth, and continue to destroy the American middle class through taxation and fomenting class warfare.
Wasn’t the idea of Minority Quotas a Democratic program?
Simon’s piece is good, but the tough questions remain unanswered. Can Israel sustain itself militarily without U.S. support? It’s not the soldiers and weapons, its the spare parts, food and fuel for an isolated state fighting a protracted war. Have they prepared themselves or immersed themselves in Western luxury.
American Jews will look to their own safety, don’t expect much help. Most will vote again for Obama, out of fear if nothing else.
Israel’s agreement to the inevitable surrender of what meager territorial depth it has speaks to a leadership that thinks it can continue to play the game forever. Obama is calling the bluff.
Netanyahu, Obama, and all the diplomats must know that the land and its resources are too limited to support two states when one of these states will be in the thrall of a religious imperative, shared by tens of millions of co-religionists in the surrounding states, to exterminate the other once they get the upper hand.
Its not just about the Jews. Just this week there was a news article about 200,000 Kurds murdered in Iraq. Arab imperialism cannot accept the Jewish state because of the message it would send to all the other crushed minorities of the region.
You asked, has Israel prepared for a protracted war without US support? It’s an issue, certainly. But you should know that the military aid America gives Israel is locked down to require Israel to purchase just about everything — including stuff that could be made much cheaper at home — from US companies. It’s America’s little way of making sure that it’s foreign aid jingles in the pocket of the American economy.
And where is Israel going to get the bunker-busting bombs needed to blow Iran’s nuclear infrastructure away — assuming this is possible — if America refuses to supply them for ideological reasons?
Really, that crack by a member of the US administration (I forgot who) stating that Israeli planes should be shot down if they headed for Iran has got me spooked. Everyone’s talking tough about how Israel has to go out and stop Iran from getting the bomb all by its lonesome. But how exactly are we supposed to do that?
I think that you underestimate the power and dexterity of Israel’s security forces. They are watching out for you, Sandy.
Everyone’s talking tough about how Israel has to go out and stop Iran from getting the bomb all by its lonesome.
Even as an atheist, I recognize this as a “sin.”
Got syntax….???
I’m sure there were jews supporting Hitler even after he started putting them in camps. There were jew-catchers in Hitler’s germany who were jews. The jew catchers would go around and arrest hidden jews in nazi germany. That is how they maintained their freedom,
The mask is coming off. About time. Lord Obama can’t help himself. He is the boss, and those troublesome Jews are gonna get what’s coming to them. I assume Israel is looking around to see where they can buy or produce replacement weapons and ammo when the pipeline from Uncle Sam gets shut off. Israel is on it’s own and there is no reason to placate the fool in the White House.
I remember during the campaign Obama talking about a “national security force.” But I don’t believe he has talked about “camps.” However “just a guy in the neighborhood” Bill Ayers has.
Yes, plus Reno, Janet (Democrat Attorney-General of the US)provided a couple of test scenarios on responding to civil unrest.
Case study #1 – SWAT snipers at Ruby Ridge
Case study #2 – military using tanks at Waco.
Now, we’ve got Holder.
It was clear from day one that Obama had it in for Israel, his sliding timeline on Iranian nuclear sanctions and the toothlessness of his “negotiations” with the same meant that Obama was giving Iran time to make the bomb. All of this reflects the anti-semitic feelings of the administration, the state department in general and specifically of Obama. Obama being a second hander and a hater of the good is an equal opportunity hater as he hates the American Christian Right as much as he hates Israel.
The big question here is what will Iran do with the bomb or who will it be given to in order to cover the tracks of the source after it is used.
The truth is once the bomb is used all supporters of terror will pay a terrible price no matter what and in particular the Muslim world. Other supporters and enablers will suffer as well. This truth should be made know to all of our “friends” and enemies alike in advance but it won’t be.
Obama and his cronies are desperatley trying to get the Christian Conservative Right to commit some violent act so the repression can begin but in lieu of that an outside source will do just fine to get things started no matter how terrible. They seem to think they can manage the coming crisis. Not so. Israel seems to awakened to the fact that Obama means them harm. Americans are only half way there. Time to wake up people, we’ve got some evil dumbasses pulling the strings of power right now and they do not have our best interests in mind.
I predict that in the upcoming elections the Jewish vote will completely reverse from what it was in 2008. It will be 87% in favor of Obama.
The President says that American interest in Israel will be balanced against other interests. And you understand, Mr. President, that Israel’s response to your demands must be balanced against other interests-such as survival. Personally I favor the following solution: Let Israel unleash every chemical, biological, and nuclear weapon it may have in its arsenal and let not one blade of grass be left alive on the planet before another holocaust is permitted. This time the fate of our children must be the fate of their children.
Next you’ll be telling us that George Soros is experiencing sleepless nights because he happened to be born of a Jewish mother.
Some food for thought … certainly worth a read.
The Solace of Poor U.S.-Israel Relations
http://www.danielpipes.org/8244/poor-us-israel-relations
Daniel Pipes sees a silver lining in the current crisis in U.S.-Israel relations.
Concessions that Israel makes to Arabs are permanent, while relations with U.S. Presidents fluctuate … can be repaired with the next administration.
Considering massive concessions Israel has made in the past which have brought them nothing but death and grief …
“… when Israeli leaders enjoy strong, trusting relations with Washington, they give more to the Arabs.
“Conversely, mistrust of Washington tightens Israelis and closes the willingness to take chances.”
(I think he has a point, except for the current timing — and immediacy of the danger Israel is facing from all sides — the consquences of total American abandonment to side with the Arabs (and Iranians) — and the devastating war that this will bring.)
I know this has probably been discussed previously but why the blind loyalty to the Democrats? Have Republicans or conservatives or European conservatives done something or stood for something in the past that scares most Jews?
The answer to your question is YES. A large part of the mystery of Jewish Liberalism is collective memory that goes back for over a century and does not easily change as is illustrated by my own late coversion from a liberal (as the word was understood in the U.S. 50 years ago) to a Republican. The virulent Jew haters of my childhood were mainly conservatives, politically and religiously (Southern, lower income, Democrats were an exception). It is a complex historical picture but one might sum up by noting that almost all Europeans, right and left, were anti-semites (as they still are today) but the ones on the right (esp. German, Hungarian, Romanian,..)were those intent on complete extermination whereas the ones on the left merely killed when they got overly annoyed.
Which makes the historical revisionism that the left has engaged in even more tragic.
Hitler was a socialist.
Despite what some are claiming,Hitler was a socialist.And a fascist.He used religion as a simple stepping stone for power,but he was no christian either.He believed religion was for the weak and simple minded(that includes Islamists..LOL!)What made him fascist?His racial policies.Both wings left and right can be dangerous if the more extreme elements get power.We know this and history proves it.However some humans on this world are true defenders of Israel.We stand ready,and watchful of what happenes around us.
Any group that screams about racism is sure to practice it, itself, wholesale. Thus it comes as no surprise that Blacks as a group, are among the most reliably anti-Semitic people in America, making Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan millionaires.
Farrakhan has a mansion bigger than Oprah’s, while David Duke lives in deserved penury in a trailer park in Monroe LA.
ANY Black President would on balance, want the elimination of Israelis. Pick an average Black guy off the street, he would want the same. In case anyone did not remember Roger’s interview with the lady lectured by Rev. Lee on the “evils of Jews” this does not even generate interest by Mayor Tony Villaraigosa. This is just the general attitude of most all Blacks. Criticism for it is severely punished too.
Most Jews in the US will go along with it. Being liberal, a SWPL, and social approval is more important than distant relatives being nuked into cinders. I think most Jews in the US would be relatively happy to see Israel nuked out of existence if it gains them social approval.
People as a group are always worse than what you think, and worse in different ways.
Go back to your bottle.
Oscar,
Whiskey is the ‘ugly truth’ teller.
Trust me, I can’t stand most of his blather because it ruffles my feathers, often hurts my feelings and bristles me to no end and pisses me frickin’ off, but, that said, much of what he says is naked truth, stripped of all pretense and PC.
“Most Jews in the US will go along with it. Being liberal, a SWPL, and social approval is more important than distant relatives being nuked into cinders.”
Roger do you really think most Jews in the US think social approval is more important than seeing their “…distant relatives being nuked into cinders.”
I think whiskey is one F*cking Looney Tune.
I agree with you, Eden.
certainly whiskey is over the top, but the fact is 78% of American Jews voted for an anti-Semite, this is a scandal that reflects a low point in modern Jewish affairs and is an insult to our ancestors fleeing pogroms for the New World, only so their grandkids and greatgrandkids could be so duped, so ensnared by feelgood reality-free mushiness and sentimentality,
“progressive” groupthink and the like. All this of no benefit to anybody, not only Jews or Israel, but no benefit to the poor in the ghettoes of America, although in the short-term it may appear to do wonders to their fragile egos.
Jews in America (and Canada and elsewhere, including Israel) have a choice to make, their birthright with all its difficult challenges or fitting in with the progressives, with all the accompanying ugliness and folly that follows in the wake of this bankrupt ideology. Can’t have it both ways. Most American Jews have already made their choice, I am more forgiving of the very young, they don’t know any better, but it’s the generation of their parents (my generation) and grandparents (Roger’s) that are to blame, that taught them nothing and have nothing to teach them.
The fact that 78% of American Jews voted for a radical Leftist, with all the baggage of anti-Semitism that goes with it, speaks louder than anything else. It’s these actions that matter Roger, not intermittant half-hearted hollow words in lukewarm support of Israel while vacationing in Marin county and the Bahamas, and not even bothering to visit and volunteer in Israel, or inform themselves of the realities of the Middle-East.
If Israel is destroyed, God forbid, watch American Jews rewrite history and pretend they always supported Israel and never voted for an anti-Semitic president, with all that that implies re Israel. They will build another couple of memorials to the Shoa part two, maybe there will be a new Holocaust memorial day (same day as the old one perhaps?), and they will pretend-mourn for us just as they do for the victims of the Nazis, with their pathetic martydom by association, while understanding none of it and not wanting to. There are better things to do, check the TV listings, rant about Sarah Palin, check facebook. Escapism that’s the score.
Larry;
Do not fret. G-d is with Israel. Israel is not the one that is coming under judgement, America is.
What the cry to G-d has to be at this time, is that Hussein does not touch or do anything to Israel.
If he does not touch Israel, than America may survive, but we will never be the same again.
They voted in a Jew-hating dictator. We are going to get a can of whopp a&& in retribution.
STAND STRONG, ISRAEL !
HI ROGER;
YOU WROTE;
“One wonders what his advisors, my landsmen Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod, must think. My guess is they are very confused fellows …”
THEY ARE LIKE THE UPPER WESTSIDE DERACINATED SELF-HATING ATHEISTIC JEWS:
JEWS WHO SUPPORT THE NEW ISRAEL FUND – WHICH ACTIVELY AIDS ISRAEL’S ENEMIES.
LIKE ALL COMMITTED LEFTISTS THEY SLEEP FINE.
Sadly I think there is more truth to whisky’s post than not, Roger even a blind hog finds an acorn on occasion.
Something that has surprised me in that it seems to have escaped the attention of many people is the interview that Obama had with The Atlantic of May 2008 that Doug Ross mentions in a post:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/04/may-of-2008-candidate-obama-states-that.html
The mind boggles at what health hazard could be implied.
We must remember that “The Guardian of Israel neither slumbers or sleeps”. “Obamas” just come and go.