Like Christopher Hitchens, I was appalled by the inept response of the Coleman Committee to the testimony of George Galloway last week. The Senators are supposed to be up to speed on the Oil-for-Food follies, yet they seemed flummoxed by the British MP whose reputation, one would have thought, preceded him. And Coleman himself has a reputation as a prosecutor. Let’s hope the committee has a card to play up its sleeve (lying before Congress?). Anyway, here’s Hitchens:
After about 90 minutes of this cumulative testimony, Galloway was seated and sworn, and the humiliation began. The humiliation of the deliberative body, I mean. I once sat in the hearing room while a uniformed Oliver North hectored a Senate committee and instructed the legislative branch in its duties, and not since that day have I felt such alarm and frustration and disgust. Galloway has learned to master the word “neocon” and the acronym “AIPAC,” and he insulted the subcommittee for its deference to both of these. He took up much of his time in a demagogic attack on the lie-generated war in Iraq. He announced that he had never traded in a single barrel of oil, and he declared that he had never been a public supporter of the Saddam Hussein regime. As I had guessed he would, he made the most of the anonymity of the “senior Saddam regime official,” and protested at not knowing the identity of his accuser. He improved on this by suggesting that the person concerned might now be in a cell in Abu Ghraib.
Well, as Hitchens points out further on, there indeed may be grounds for indicting the MP, but Galloway has a genius for ‘slip-sliding away.’ You have to admire the rat’s language skills. Apropos of which, if we are to believe my buddy Gerard, another ‘old lag’ could use a dollop – or an infusion.
Coleman and Company obviously haven’t read much history of the Left. Galloway used Trotsky’s old tactic of ‘putting the accusers in the dock’. It’s a winning hand, particularly when the world press (now even more than in 1905) is predisposed to trumpet the exploits of the poor downtrodden defendent, at the expense of the evidence against him.
And there’s no excuse for Coleman not anticipating Galloway’s behavior. As Roger Simon noted, Major North used it against a Senate committee, and anyone who was conscious during the 60s would have witnessed leftie radicals (John Kerry, anyone? Not a good example, he was already a Senate darling when he testified. Abbie Hoffman et al) using the press in the same gimmick.
There is an old saying “Bullshit baffles brains”, this kind of thing is in the Revolutionary handbooks just as making false accusations is in al Qaeda’s.
I liked Hitchen’s piece but I disagree that Coleman did not anticipate or know about Galloway’s reputation.
They just were not going to debate everything from Rumsfeld to AbuGhraib with a loud mouth lying communist. I noticed he rarely answered questions and when he did address the questions under oath he was slippery. He really reminds me of Al Sharpton.
It is never easy to sit back and shut up but there are times when discretion is the better part of valor.
I just thought he looked like a lying gas bag.
This is America and the Senate is not the House of Commons. I am sure Galloway went home all puffed up like a toad but he still a toad.
Too bad he never tried that crap with his heros at the Kremlin or with Saddam, he would have ceased to a be a problem a long time ago. But this America and we even let people we don’t like speak.
I think we should wait and see what happens.
Peter you are absolutley right by the way. bullshit really does baffle brains.
yeh…that’s the “bad drives out good” principle, appears everywhere, I think it’s related to the energy levels…bad usually wants something and is going after it, good is usually a little surprised and off-balance. The scene reminded me of a bank lobby with Machine-Gun Galloway doing a heist. Bank robbers usually get away with a little loot, but end up in the hoosegow pretty quick.
Ha! That Gerard link of Roger’s is good for at least a half-dozen belly laughs or at least explosive snorts.
I didn’t see the performance, nor the response, but hope Terrye’s musings prove true.
Make sense to me:
Perhaps the best tack is to not stoop to his level.
Can feel for Hitch for not liking that.
I think Gerard is on to something w/his concern about
“Too much of a muchness.”
No guarantees there won’t be a blog bubble bustup.
“the inept response of the Coleman Committee to the testimony of George Galloway last week. The Senators are supposed to be up to speed on the Oil-for-Food follies”
Here is the committee website which includes reports issued to date (scroll to bottom). Note that although Chafee is listed as a Rep on the committee member list, he’s really a squish with no stomach for meaningfull reform. OTOH Pryor is a Dem from Arkansas who might pay attention to his constituents wishes concerning the UN (which if enacted would involve D-9′s pushing debris into Turtle Bay).
Sen. Coleman should be given high marks overall for the work of the committee. I regard his early ‘Queen of Hearts’ call for Don Kofi’s head and the calling of Galloway to be neophyte gaffes that did not seriously undermine the work done. I trust that Sen. Coleman now realizes that there is no such thing as a “bi-partisan” committee in the US legislature and that the initial response to Galloway’s taunt was a political error of a different sort.
Having said that, I remain puzzled as to what benefit can possibly be derived from the investigation. Don Kofi – even if proven to be ten times more corrupt than he now appears to be – is a figurehead. A minor sottocapo in a criminal enterprise that began under his predecessor and will continue until proper checks and balances are installed. Sen. Coleman’s committee may recommend such checks and balances but an entity that can rename Zimbabwe to the HRC while Mugabe continues to eradicate the ‘Ndebele through starvation is, to be polite, unlikely to institute formal controls on an Office of the Secretariate capable of disbursing the bounty that keeps petty tyrants boots on their people’s necks.
Let us hope that Sen. Coleman is bold enough to call for cancellation of payment of US dues, wise enough to seek Japan’s agreement and strong enough to prevail against the squishes in his own party as well as the One Worlders of the opposition party. A combination of such boldness, wisdom and strength might be indicative of a politician worthy of higher office. OTOH – he could be just another pol grabbing the nearest megaphone.
I choose not to say anything much regarding the despicable George Galloway’s performance because it might be seen as complimentary. I thought more of Howard Hughes while watching him play the clueless, non-entities who sat opposite.
Off-Topic:
On a happier note, the 46th Annual Armed Forces Day Parade is taking place today in the place I call home. I’m told I was at the first one and I know I’ve been to many (always unimpaired) since. To any and all current and former members of the Armed Forces of the United States who read here: Thank you.
http://www.tpd.torrnet.com/paradehistory.htm
I strikes me that Kofi Annan is neither big enough or tough enough to be running such a gigantic scam.Nor do I think that the bureaucrats close mouthed enough to keep the scent of easy money percolating down to organised crime.
It is common for the larger fish of the criminal world to feed of the smaller fish,whoever got most of the money must have the means to protect themselves from scavengers,that means either state or organised criminals.In the latter group terrorists take their place.
Large amounts of money makes waves,yet apart from a few ripples, such as Saddam Husseins gross architectural fantasy binge, there is neither hide nor hair to be seen of a sum of money which could buy several countries.
As the forensic accountants say,”Follow the money.”
ìGalloway has learned to master the word “neocon” and the acronym “AIPAC,” and he insulted the subcommittee for its deference to both of these.î
Excuse me, but what planet are we living on? How can George Galloway utter his not so subtle anti-Semitic remarks—and not be severely criticized by the powers that be? Is this an indication that many of our intellectual elties tacitly agree with him? Where is the outrage? Something is very seriously wrong.
I’ll tell you what’s seriously wrong–the Canadian Liberal Party won last week. Yes…I know…why aren’t we wondering what’s going on (see Peter’s post) t’other side of our nine hundred thousand mile open border?
Mostly, but not entirely, ot.
. The Religious Left’s Lies .
By James Watt
Buddy,
I don’t see how Sen. Coleman is going to be able to address the purchase of the Canadian government by Saddam. Half of the committee staff are Democrats who, to date, have been focused on preparation of a 128 page report which exquisitely details transactions accounting for .0016% (that’s less than one-sixth of one percent – for Rio Lindan’s) of Saddam’s take. The transactions began during the Clinton administration but continued under W. And the company was based in Houston (JR probably started it).
With the Dem dimwits staring fixedly at their navels Sen. Coleman just doesn’t have an evenly matched team pulling together toward an agreed goal. What makes the Demwits actions particularly galling is that the Treasury Department Division in question seems to be non-political in nature. The OFAC director who theoretically lacked oversight of the Bayoil transactions had served in the position for 17 years. So, although the transactions began under Clinton, he was no more responsible than W was for ending them.
“So, although the transactions began under Clinton, he was no more responsible than W was for ending them.”
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I had high hopes when I hear Norm C on Laura Ingraham’s show a few months ago, since he talked pretty straight, and obviously had some goods.
Should have expected it might not turn out real swell, I guess, when Dems and Sqishe’s are involved.
So far, for anything that touches the UN,
NO ONE is responsible for anything.
“heard”
About the only optimistic number we can index at the moment, then, is that there’s only 99.84% of the missing money still missing–and Sen Coleman announced a few days ago that the court had extended his subpoena powers for three more weeks. I’d say that on a straight-line depreciation, some orders of acceleration of info aquisition magnitude are to be prayed for.
Rick,
One of the reasons I opposed calling Galloway was that he was unimportant and would generate more heat than light.Some have called for the likes of Chirac and Putin to be called to account,it just isn’t going to happen,they might, at a pinch, let some small fry go to the wall,but none of the heads of state are ever going to stand in the dock.
The most that can be hoped of this is that it will force moves to reform the UN.It would have been better to have a secret inquiry and used the information for the purposes of,to put it delicately, political persuasion.
The real pisser is the price. The whole place for 20 or 30 bil means that if they’d been fair and put the place on eBay, I could’ve got me a nice little slice of Saskatchewan for like a pack of smokes or maybe a Hershey and some nylons.
Peter, you just summed up nicely the pro-Volker argument–which has plenty of merit (tho his PR inexplicably is sagging badly).
I think Gerard missed it. Not a ball gag… a gimp mask.
I liked the “…nation’s top writer for three years back in the middle of the 20th century” line. Funny, and gives him his due, and points out where he has been ever since.
The question that has to be asked is,”What would people do for that kind of money?” bearing in mind that many would kill you for the price of a fix.
So far this has been kept as a “white collar” crime but when one examines the bloody gang wars, and indeed wars between nations,for less,how is it that this has the outward appearance of an embezzlement by an an elderly bank clerk? Sorry I don’t believe it.
My opinion of the ethics of the Swiss banking system is that it pegged at zero some generations ago, and now pats itself on the back for its adherence to “tradition”. Goes ta show ya, the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese.
“It would have been better to have a secret inquiry”
Ain’t that the truth.
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I take it Mailer was a mis-post?
…a misposted mailer.
…And here’s Galloway again with his Socialist Worker Party comrades showing his true colours,via LGF
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1116642367186&p=1078113566627
Jesus Christ on Roller Skates, that’s porno, saying the Palestinians are the Spartan 300 at Thermopylae. I wish I didnt have readed that.
…rejects nation states in favor of a global Islamic state.
“There are 22 stupid Arab states, why have another stupid Palestinian state?”
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I always have been a big fan of World Government.
did you readed the second page?
Just gets worser.
I know it’s cheap to say it, but that guy is an outright Nazi. He has the ethos, propaganda, loquaciousness, brutal aspect, forward-leaning pushing persona, haircut, and crazed spinning eyes down pat. If he ever had the whip hand over ya–yer a goner. Thank God he hates us.
Thank God I don’t watch TV.
Remember those names gentlemen you’ll see then again ere lomg.The stop the War Coalition is a front organisation of the Socialist Workers Party.This is the coalition between the hard left and the Islamists I mentioned in a previous thread.Not a pretty sight!
Looks like Galloway is about to make a lot of money on the US lecture circuit thanks to his performance to the senate hearings. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1622520,00.html
That’s from The Sunday Times.
After reading a disgusting dirty thug like Galloway and his pseudo intellectual demagogic nature it enrages, saddens and just plain depresses you.
Coleman should have consulted and hired Hitchens to cross examine this piece of garbage.
However, while its sometimes interesting and fun to get caught up in pseudo intellectual debates in blogs and comments sections.
But then you take a step back and look at a thug like Galloway who mock simple, polite and decent people, as most are in the US, particularly in the sticks…. and you realize that people like Tariq Ali who claim to have the ‘correct perspective’ because they’re ‘really informed’ unlike ‘common folk…. they’re just simply pseudo intellectual/idealogical thugs…
Bernie Goldberg talks about this in his 1rst book, about the guy who was painting his house and how his perspective on the MSM woke him up.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1347208&mode=thread&tid=25
http://www.ludd.net/retort/msg00260.html
The problem is people like Galloway, Ali and the like are very motivated pranksters and do their homework and aren’t afraid to use insults and demagoguery…. what was Lenin’s quote on “intellectuals”?
I tolja.
Free societies are just big ole Carnivals for these people.
From Cloisty’s link:
“GEORGE GALLOWAY is to cash in his new-found status as the poster boy of the anti-war movement in America with plans for a speaking tour that could earn him a six-figure sum.”
Shoot, I wonder if my kid still has “The Incredibles” DVD rented…three or four straight insane links…gak, argh, choke, gag, starting to hear that howling rumbling…like Al Pacino in the crapper looking for that pistol he shot the Turk with.
“Socialist Workers Party” with many adherents also having membership in International ANSWER whose bride is MoveonOrg with which it ACTs up regularly – especially now after its purchase of the DNC. One big happy family with Jew baiting as a shared hobby.
My 2005 to do list:
1) help enable baby-killer regime in return for money meant to feed (temporarily-unkilled) babies.
2) starve babies while accusing X of starving babies.
3) if lose job, appeal to Americans who are anti the ACTUAL anti-starving-baby people.
4) make up missed paychecks from deposed head baby-killer via hiring out to American baby-killer supporters, to lie to them that they aren’t really proxy baby-killers.
If THAT ain’t good for some cash and laughs, I ain’t george galloway!
I swear, if this bird starts drawing lefty acclaim, and none of our Democratic leaders will dog him with the truth about what he is, then the Democratic Party really is dead. Senator Levin made a good start. Let’s thank him and encourage him to continue.
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t've jumped to any conclusion that Demo-affiliates will be paying his lecture fees.
Well put together Rick. The blind bas***s. If there is any battle we are losing it is the PR one. Horses and water or some such. I’m just left with the conclusion that only our ‘leaders’ can alter the PR war. Where a spade is a spade, and called as such. Let the American people work out the consequences, for better or worse, put the chips on the table.
“Where a spade is a spade, and called as such. ”
Hear Hear!
Way too many areas where that is the case, these PC Daze.
Hey! Maybe Galloway can get a celebrity booth at the next DNC?
“Socialist Workers Party” with many adherents also having membership in International ANSWER whose bride is MoveonOrg with which it ACTs up regularly – especially now after its purchase of the DNC”
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A year or two back now I was reading a couple of Commie Sites that we’re talking about all the internal contradictions of this beautiful coalition of sweeties.
Gays and Greens and Islamists, for instance.
Harry’s Place and Nick …forgot.
“Senator Levin made a good start.”
Sorry, Buddy, that’s smoke – not intentional, I’m sure, but you need to thumb through that 128 pager that Levin commissioned and carefully vetted. He’s supping with the devil and the spoons not near long enough. Galloway will be spouting from that report as he cashes the Moveon check financing his lecture tour.
The Dems are going to try and tar W with oil trading scams and play the UNSC being a supposed watchdog which failed in its oversight of Don Kofi and the Maurice Strong posse. Nothing wrong at the UN that W couldn’t have forseen and taken care of – even though it started in ’96 while Wild Bill was still chasing Monica.
“Hey! Maybe Galloway can get a celebrity booth at the next DNC?”
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The Carter Chair.
“Nothing wrong at the UN that W couldn’t have forseen and taken care of – even though it started in ’96 while Wild Bill was still chasing Monica.”
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…and, of course, they haven’t laid any landmines nor erected any roadblocks since.
Levin’s one of the worst.
In Dodge, he’d buy some new glasses, or get out of town.
richard mcenroe
Great quote over at the instapundit. Target’s indeed!
The Corner is pretty disgusted, featuring a couple links that drive home what GG really represents.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-590350-3,00.html
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/05/21/different_times.php
Rick, I was pretty much shallowed out by the TV show…but I’m sure you’re right about the report–if was comprehensive, the little himmler-rooster couldn’t be crowing all over the global press.
Cool, McEnroe!
True Dat, on the Mac
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I do have a complaint to lodge w/the blogs however:
Seems like there’s been WAY LITTLE RECOGNITION
of Rush Limbaugh’s description and prediction of all this happening just as it did.
Haven’t seen that much, nor any recognition, other than me at Wretchards.
Can’t Talk Radio get some of the credit they deserve in blogvill ?
“if was comprehensive, the little himmler-rooster couldn’t be crowing all over the global press.”
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That’s pretty depressing, since it’s so obviously true,
…once you think about it.
“In a neighbouring cell during his first year of solitary confinement was Hussain al-Shahristani, an internationally renowned Iraqi expert on neutron activity. He had been imprisoned for refusing to co-operate on Saddamís nuclear programme. ”
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I’m sure as soon as the Dems are made aware of this, they’ll reverse course and stop blaming Bush on the fake WMD War Charge.
Think I recall some gentlemen on the Hewitt show discussing the Guild Aspect, also.
“I do have a complaint to lodge w/the blogs however:
Seems like there’s been WAY LITTLE RECOGNITION
of Rush Limbaugh’s description and prediction of all this happening just as it did.
It was hashed out here on May 13 - the day after the numbskull on the committee staff issued the invitation.
Where do you think talk radio gets their ideas?
Sorry,
Should have been more clear:
I was refering to Bud’s link to Instapundit,
where the item is the Circling of the Wagons of the MSM Writers and Fibbers Guild tm to cover for their Buddies at NewsWeak.
He links to link giving credit to Marty Peretz, which is cool, since Martin is about the only lefty left in Sanesville, but far as I can tell, Marty’s piece came out AFTER Limbaugh said it on the radio.
(I’ll go check my post at Wretchard’s if I’m still awake)
At any rate, everybody’s saying it now but little credit goes to Talk Radio.
Roger and Austin and Hugh discussed it too – on the radio.
Limbaugh was using the Internet way before Netscape v. 0.98 to do research, along w/Lexus/Nexus.
Now, in addition to the net, he’s got all his human feeds, just like Drudge, only for good conservative info, rather than the earliest scoop on the latest “News” the MSM decides to use for that cycle.
…and Drudge dutifully mirrors it.
In advance.
May 21, 2005
“THERE IS A THREAT. YOU NEED TO ACT.” Here’s a post from RedState on how to comment (you can do it by email) on the FEC’s proposal to regulate bloggers. [Relocated to keep this at the top a while longer.]
UPDATE: I should stress just how bipartisan and broad-based the blogospheric resistance is.
posted at 11:08 PM by Glenn Reynolds
Here’s Wretchard’s Piece wher I made the Limbaugh Post.
. The Road To Perdition
My 5:56 Am Post
A series of posts by Oliver Kamm shed light on the unholy alliance between the hard left and Islamic extremistss,scroll down to A concatenation of Bleaters.
http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2004/08/index.html
Peter,
Thanks for link, I’ll visit Harry’s place in the morn.
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Mika said, (re: The Hospital Post.)
Doug,
Those that are kind to the cruel, are cruel to the kind.
In WWI, a British soldier refused to kill Adolf Hitler when the chance was there. We all know how that act of kindness eventuated.
8:56 AM
mika. said…
Doug,
The problem with my country, is that there’s NO PLANING ahead.
EVERYTHING is done on an emergency basis. Even fighting Islamists. It’s cavalier, and it’s folly. And the people are just as to blame as their politicians.
From May 8, BC: The Man Who Knew too Much
Peter said,
There has been the mysterious case of the $160,000 loan and the Cypriot auntie down a lift shaft to intrigue us.
With that amount of money floating about every gangster state and organised crime syndicate on the planet will have been sniffing around.
As a side bar the instruction to ignore the subpoena can be seen as an attempt to put the UN above and beyond US law.
desert rat said…
Peter beat me to it, but there already has been murder associated with this investigation.
Perhaps there will be more.
Perhaps Mr Volker no longer smells so sweet, himself.
Funny thing about UN fiascos, calamities, and mismanaged Peacekeepers.
There are only victims, never any one at fault.
How progressive.
Same BC Post:
“So far, it has been a story of incompetence without a crime or a criminal mastermind; of people who resemble conspirators without being members of a conspiracy.
Volcker’s implicaton that the “lives of certain witnesses are at stake”, though he would not name who specifically “was threatening witnesses” clearly indicates that despite his first two reports, something criminal, indeed murderous lies within the Oil for Food universe. Something that could get people killed.
Having excluded the possibility of a criminal conspiracy in his first two reports, Volcker now wants to prevent former investigator Robert Parton from divulging certain undisclosed details to the US Congress because he fears that the “lives of certain witnesses are at stake”.
That which was denied is now invoked.”
Hey, Rick Ballard!
I missed that Rio Lindan’s taunt & I resent it!
(or resemble and exceed it)
Rio has nothing on Avenal, CA.
Then, Standard Oil/Halliburton
Now, TJ Norte.
(Still think you oughta see that Taft/Bakersfield football flick, Larsen.)
It was, and always will be,
The Best of Times.
You know, Iím really not all that sure that Gallowayís performance was all that good. I could be completely wrong here, of course.
But I would expect anyone from a Parliamentary system to make mincemeat of someone from a Senatorial one. The entire point of speeches in the House of Commons is of insult your opponents, obfuscate, avoid the questions and survive for about as long as it takes to make the speech. Youíve got to be quick with your tongue to survuve such a system, you get barracked, people interrupt, jeer, make jokes about you during your speech…itís a bloody (metaphorically) environment. Just listen to Prime Ministerís Question time on hte BBC (or C Span) someday. Itís completely different from the much more calm Senate.
Sp Iím absolutely not surprised that Galloway came off best in the verbal exchanges. Iíf have expected most UK MPís to have done so.
Yet just because the Senate and its committees work in different ways it doesnít mean they donít get there in the end. Theyíre using a lot of paper based evidence (something not even allowed in the Commons)and if there is something to be found they might still find it. (They may not, of course.)
Another way of putting this is that Parliamentary reputations are made on exactly the sort of bombast that Galloway used. Senate reputations are not, theyíre more about the command of detail, paperwork and co-operation.
Galloway may have won the first public battle but it remains to be seen if heíll win the war, for while the systems are different, they both do get there in the end.
It was a photo, sound bite and fund-raising opportunity for everyone concerned including Galloway. Substance had nothing to do with this. It was pure posturing.
Tim & Tom, I hope you’re both right, and I hope that word gets out to the millions who catch the one headline right after the event and then carry that note as history, forward into a voting booth somewhere down the line.
First impressions, court-jesters (late-night comic/kingmakers) and all that. Galloways and Kerrys surf the superficial to long careers.
Been traveling & missed the Galloway show. Didn’t care about Galloway, but was very interested in seeing how Norm Coleman would handle him. Not very well, I gather. This does make me happy though:
One friend said that Galloway could now set himself up as a successor to Michael Moore, whose documentary, Fahrenheit 911, became a lightning conductor for enemies of President George W Bush.
Doubt that MM is willing to abdicate to Galloway, but I welcome either/both as poster boy(s) for the loony left. You go, boys.
Norm done good, Kyda. Problem is, Norm is Norm…decent, polite, honorable, professional, a class act all the way. Galloway was a pie-in-the-face, that’s all. Criticism of the fine and excellent senator has to do with his sitting himself where he couldn’t duck. But in the end it was just pie. Galloway hopefully in the end will face something harder from the senator’s return serve.
I guess, Buddy, the argument boils down to should Coleman have self-inflicted the wound. I think so. There are, after all, many occasions where one doesn’t have the option of ducking. How one takes the pie-in-the-face can be very instructive. I guess I can settle for “decent, polite, honorable, professional, a class act all the way”. I guess I really couldn’t ask for much more. Thanks.
Yes, Kyda…be nice to see a Galloway-lover in a life-or-death two-man foxhole with the choice of who will watch his back, a Galloway or a Sen. Coleman.
Paradox of national success: great cushiony hidey-holes free-for-the-asking everywhere. We wonder where’d all the frauds come from? Better people created the ecological niches. And only individuals can choose not to slither into them.
…meanwhile, back at the bank.
foxenburg said…
well, you’ll have an opportunity to see more of georgeous george stateside.
today’s london sunday times says he’s been signed up for a speaking tour of the usa.
30 engagements at about 14k a time. george says all money will be given to his political party – respect.
says he will use any spare time to address anti-war movements – free of charge.
(from BC)
“Theyíre using a lot of paper based evidence (something not even allowed in the Commons)”
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One more thing I didn’t know.
http://dailyscorecard.blogspot.com/2005/05/mclaughlin-group-kisses-galloways-arsh.html
MCLAUGHLIN GROUP KISSES GALLOWAY’S ROYAL SCOTTISH A**!
I ENTERED THIS on another comments section but add it here as where it is appropos.