The Narrative in London
At a dinner party in London Saturday, I was asked to say a few words about the upcoming presidential election in the United States. All of the guests were what my friend Otto Penzler calls “politically mature,” i.e., they regarded Barack Obama with varying degrees of fear, loathing, and distaste. But they had also, most of them, imbibed deeply of The Narrative: the fairy tale dispensed by virtually all the legacy (formerly known as “the mainstream”) media that Obama was as sure a thing to win as was possible to discover in this mutable sublunary world.
There was some surprise (not to say incredulity), then, when I repeated my frequent refrain (like a broken record) that I thought Mitt Romney would not only win but win big. I was not surprised by the wonder with which my prediction was greeted. The Narrative, nearly seamless in the United States, is positively monolithic in the UK. And there is this difference: in the U.S., the idea that Barack Obama has the election sewn up, while assiduously disseminated by the media, is at least treated to some of the skepticism it deserves by a large and vibrant dissenting commentariat, to whose mast your humble correspondent proudly nails his colors. That is one reason that, although you’ll rarely hear a peep of dissent on the “major” networks or politically correct organs like The New York Times, there is nevertheless a strong and indeed growing current of contrary sentiment, broadcast by venues like PJ Media but underwritten by a vast electorate that is seething with discontent over the top-down, socialist, spread-the-wealth-around policies of our handsome but shockingly incompetent president.
It’s the latter that matters: what people like me (whatever their political persuasion) say is of interest only as a more or less accurate thermometer. The heat, the actual evidence of life, is produced by a pulsing body politic that goes about its business utterly unconcerned by what pundits say.
This is as it should be but it is not, I think, as vividly appreciated as it should be. Hence the surprised skepticism that greeted my announced confidence that Romney would win. “But all the polls say Obama will win,” came a chorus of objection.
Ah, the polls. I pointed out, as I have often pointed out here, that polls are often fragile, unreliable constructs: more the product of hope than the evidence of fact. I mentioned that Democrats are typically oversampled, that most polls (Rasmussen is an exception) canvass registered rather than likely voters, and that in general the whole scenario or context in which poll data is being assembled is predicated on 2008 patterns of turnout and voter enthusiasm.
Need I observe that the situation in 2012 is very different from what it was in 2008? In 2008, Barack Obama outraised his rival by at least 3 to 1. (He officially raised $771 million to John McCain’s $239 million; the actual discrepancy was even bigger.) The autumn of 2008, remember, marked the beginning of the most shattering economic crisis the world has seen since the Great Depression: Obama came to town promising to change all that. Meanwhile, his opponent temporarily suspended his campaign “to deal with the economic crisis,” selected an astoundingly inappropriate running mate (much though I admire her personally), and generally ran the most anemic, unfocused campaign in recent memory. Obama also had the tremendous advantage of novelty: America’s first black (well, half-black, but good enough for government work) president! How that warmed the cockles of every liberal heart. And remember, too, how unpopular George Bush and the war in Iraq were. Obama was going to change all that too. He was going to make the seas stop rising and “heal the planet” (how emetic it seems now!). The moment he was inaugurated, he said, “Muslim hostility” would ease. (I wonder what Chris Stevens’s family thinks of that?) Take a look at the footage of Obama’s 2008 acceptance speech: has anything closer to the intoxication of Nuremberg been seen in American politics?
How different it all is now. For one thing, Obama now has a record — not a good or inspiring record, but we at last have something concrete to judge him by. We now know that about the only promise he has managed to keep is to make the price of energy “skyrocket.” Yes, he’s done that all right. Even as he refused the Keystone pipeline and drilling permissions around the country, the price of gasoline has gone from an average of $1.85 a gallon to something north of $4.00. He promised, if only we gave him the $780 billion “stimulus,” he would have unemployment down to 5.6 percent by 2012. Reality check: it’s about 8.3 percent. Twenty-three million people are unemployed or underemployed. He promised to halve the annual deficit in his first term; it’s still something like $1.4 trillion. The federal debt clock, in an occurrence of grim poetic justice, ticked over to $16 trillion as the Democratic National Convention convened in Charlotte earlier this month to nominate the most left-wing and stunningly incompetent president in our history to another term. (Remember when David Axelrod, in 2005, said that it was “madness” for Bush to add $3 trillion to the federal debt in four years? Obama managed to add more than $5 trillion in only three and a half years.)
Well, I went on like this for a while. I don’t know that I convinced anyone, though I do have a bet for lunch with one of the guests. I am even now deciding where I might like to be taken. Maybe, had the party been a few days later, I would have been more convincing. I just had confirmation of something I have long suspected: that only a small percentage of those canvassed by pollsters bother to respond. How small? Only 9 percent. I, and probably you, too, are part of the proud 91 percent who give them the brush off.
One of the morning papers today asks whether Mitt Romney can overcome his “slump” in the polls in the upcoming debates. A more pertinent question is whether Barack Obama can overcome his disastrous record on both domestic and foreign affairs by repeating his seductive clichés. I think the answer is no.






In 2008 the University of Maine in Farmington fizzed with Obamania and since that time visits from Bill Ayers and Bill McKibben added some energy to the sentiments feeding that enthusiasm. This year the UMF Democratic Club has two members and no budget. The Republican Club is active with a couple dozen members. This may be a clue to the importance of the “enthusiam gap.”
NB the enthusiasm for Romney is obviously less significant than the loathing for Obama.
According to Gallup, the enthusiasm level of the Dems from 08-12 (july 27th) fell from 61% to 39%. The GOP on the other hand went from 35% to 51%.
Honestly you are soooooooooooooo transparently one of those people u described as uncomfortable to accept the first African American President as your President…
Guess what??? he is your President too, he has been one of the best ones we Americans have ever had and you sound bitter and jealous of all his achievements.
Sad but the moment you start leaning so much to the right … the average reader will give u up as a nutter !!! I did…
Best of luck with that ….
The only way that Mr Mitten Rmoney can win is if Karl Rove manages to rig the elections undetected…
but you must know already that all eyes are on him and his dirty tricks
so glad the Lord is watching you all
This is what I love about elections: it is the only time a democrat will use God’s name in a good way. Thou shalt not use God’s name in vain during an election year. But I will always speak the following, “yummy food for the socialist herd!”
Wow, what drugs do you take that make you feel this way. Do you ever step foot out of your dwelling to see what is going on in the world. Its simply amazing to see those that lean way left seem to simply miss what actually happens in the real world. I would bet if you drove 10 miles from where you lived just stepped out of your, what ever gets you around, and talked to a few natives… you would be surprise how they feel. Turn off your liberal media and try it. Obamaville is not the peaches and cream you think it is.
Way to lead with the Race card. Do you really believe that just because someone does not agree with Obama the logical conclusion is rascism and not logic. I m not saying rascism does not exist but it is not a driving motivation in voting decisions of a vast majority of Americans.
Which Accomplishments are you talking about exactly? Tripling the national debt? 43 straight months of unemployment over 8%? (The ideal amount is 3.6%-4.%, according to economists) Oil prices more than double? Socializing the auto, health, and educational industries?? To me, those don’t seem like things that would make the “one of the best ones we Americans have ever had.” So.. yeah, I’m going to have to say no to that, and no to Obama. He’s a horrible president. He’s a racist bigot and he’s not very smart.
Best president ever this guy is Jimmy Carter’s second term!!!! I lived through the Jimmy Carter disaster and was joyous to see him leave. One of my favorite quotes-”being fat,drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son”.
That was to ChappaTeddy, but who said it?
You have to be kidding. He signed with congressional approval, the NDAA of 2012.
This guy is right out of Orwell.
barry08, Oh my poor deluded barry…. November will be a very depressing month for you. No one with a rational mind could possibly believe that Obama has been a good President. By any objective measure, he is arguably the worst occupant of the White House ever. The notion that people can not criticize him because is half-black is patently ridiculous. He should be held accountable to the same standard as anyone who has ever served. He is a failed experiment, not because of his color, but because of his political ideology and lack of leadership. Get a grip…
You are soooooooo delusional. Your nauseating crush on the incompetent one is as transparent as old tingles Christ Matthews himself.
If legitimately criticizing a failed president makes us radical right wingers to you lefties…then so be it. We dont really care what you think. Thats the funny thing about using the racicm claim over and over again to unarm your adversaries….After a while the term and accusations lose their effectiveness as they are seen for what they truly are….A silencing tactic. Newsflash…eventually, people stop caring…and like me embrace the label like a badge of honor…so have at it because we will not be silenced.
Barack Obama is the President of the United States and I accept that title for him because he won the 2008 election. However, at no time has he tried to be “my President.”
Why do I say that? Because he’s against every policy that I believe is important.
1. There is no scientific definition of human that can allow abortion not to be categorized as homicide.
2. He has not only disagreed that the deficit and debt are urgent issues, he has demonized people like me who have called for reform.
3. He has been spoken the words of the reformer on the wars, but he’s taken no leadership role to bring them to a successful close. (His decisions are slow and he coasted to the end in Iraq that Bush served up with the surge.)
4. He has told my church that we don’t have the right not to pay for things that are against our faith – sterilization and abortion.
5. He signed the NDAA. It’s the ONLY thing he signed this year. It allows the Fed gov’t to suspend habeous corpus. It’s an affront to the Constitution.
6. He has a Presidential KILL list. And he’s ordered the execution of American citizens. (Anwar al-Aulaqi and his 17 yo son.)
7. Fast and Furious. Eric Holder is a disgrace. 57 Americans have died at crime scenes where F&F guns have been recovered, 400+ Mexicans are dead where F&F guns have been recovered and there’s still about 1200 F&F guns at large.
8. Lead from behind? How about pride in our accomplishments.
9. Federal Drug busts: It doesn’t matter if your state has medical marijuana, the DEA is coming for you.
10. Crony Capitalism. How many crappy businesses are going to bite the bullet with HUGE Obama admin loans on their books? I think the count is around 8 and several more businesses are on death watch.
He may be The President, but he’s not My President.
By crying racism every time someone disagrees with Obama’s public policies, the Democrats hope to silence debate and avoid any scrutiny of Obama’s abysmal record. You only need to know two things to completely refute the charge of racism. First, if Bush were up for re-election with Obama’s record, the media (read: Democrats) would tar and feather him. Secondly, Obama won in 2008 because a majority of whites voted for him. If Obama loses this year it will be due to the fact that some of those same whites who voted for him in 2008, now voted for Romney. Obviously they aren’t racist if they voted for Obama in 2008.
wow you are hopeless…drunk with liberal cool aid..
the LORD is watching YOU ALL? but not YOU?
Obama raised 771 MILLION for the 2008 campaign (Mc Cain 239!) & you talk about money (Romoney)or however you spun Romneys name..(i rather have the world or close word to MONEY than “cli-”
as in Clinton..so..anyway, your wishful thinking will leave you disappointed in your life..
My! This is so charmingly illiterate and uninformed, it must be a Ph.D.’s effort at humor!
What achievements? A fraud, lying his way through incompetence… truly a token.
“”"”"”"”he has been one of the best ones we Americans have ever had and you sound bitter and jealous of all his achievements.”"”"”"”"
Which achievements are those?
The conservative chorus:
The polls are wrong.
The media is wrong.
They’ll see on Election Day, oh they will see.
It’s pretty hilarious when you consider:
A. Romney doesn’t have a ground game. In most states, the President has double the field offices with quadruple the staff, and they’ve been engaged in each state since 2011.
B. Cell phones aren’t being reached in many polls. If you think that the polls are skewed towards D’s, I believe they’re skewed towards R’s. What 18-35 year old has a landline? None that I know.
C. No independent observer is saying this is close. Each poll that comes out shows Romney slipping behind. And, the idea that the debates will be a win for the Tin Man against Democratic Reagan is a joke. Romney is wooden and unlikeable, who is going to believe this Mormon billionaire has their interests in mind. Even coal country dislikes him.
Keep wishing! KEEP PRAYING!!!!! But, on Election Day, you’ll know that a black man will be in the White House for Four More Years! Four More Years! Four More Years!
The cell phone argument actually helps the GOP, and it is precisely because of Democrat over-sampling. And here is how. We know that there is a strong statistical correlation between youth and cell phones; i.e., younger voters are more likely to possess a cell phone with no land line than older voters. So when the pollsters call, their raw results oversample older (GOP) voters and undersample youth. But then they apply the weighting factors to the their results according to the 2008 exit polls, in which the youth vote had record turnout. So they give way more weight (bias) to the youth that they do sample, and they underweigh the older voters, relative to them.
An excellent effort to make the facts fit your limited knowledge.
The difference everyone, every place, across America has noticed btwn 2008 & 2012
2008: Can’t even COUNT the Obama signs/bumperstickers! So many!
2012: Can’t even FIND the Obama signs/bumperstickers…and they are tearing down/ ripping off peoples’ Romney/Ryan ones, because… there are more than O’s!
So, polls aside, I think I’ll go by what my own eyes/ears tell me. NOBAMA 2012!
Jim, so if Obama has “double the field offices, and quadruple the manpower, or whateer you said,” why does he have a statistically insignificant lead in every poll? Show’s there that Romney is more efficient with his resources, and a better leader. White guilt is over brother, people who voted for him because of the novelty of voting for a black man are over. They don’t care any more. How about 4 more years, in prison. He could have and should have protected the ambassador. He could have and should have reduced the national debt. That’s treason, almost bringing our country into insolvency.
…half black man. You libs seem to forget his white half. The half that didn’t abandon him, the half that raised and educated him.
Touche’!, …..and thank you. Right on.
…and didn’t abort him!
How insecure does one have to be to always bring up race when someone disagrees with your opinion or doesn’t support your candidate. I used to be a Democrat, but it’s exactly this mental cripple, victim, calling someone that doesn’t agree with you a big got or sexist mentality that I have seen so much from liberals that has made me not want to have to do anything with them.
Jim, Yes, I agree. There will be a black man in the White House. There will likely be several. But none of them will hold the office of President of the United States. Enjoy these last few days of the failed hope and change experiment. There is still time for a rash of executive orders but it won’t turn the tide…
You sound bigoted towards Mormons? Your post shows a lack of reasoning so you have to resort to class warfare and attacks on Romney’s religion. I feel sorry for you, but Romney is going to win.
Pelosi guaranteed the Dems would keep the House in 2010. How did that turn out again?
Then, the liberals SWORE they were going to kick Scott Walker out of office in Wisconsin. Instead, they got BEAT DOWN AGAIN, with Walker winning by an even bigger margin than the first time (and that was supposed to be a “dry run” for the presidential race).
Now, despite this miserable economy and anemic job markets, we have libs, talking smack that Obama is a lock for re-election. I guess they haven’t learned a thing from that Carter debacle. The left thought Carter was a shoo-in, too.
If you read any news websites in Ohio, Florida or Colorado, you would realize that Romney has a serious ground game. (How many Mormons do you suppose live in those states? Do you think maybe they might be motivated to knock on some doors for one of their own?) The media (i.e., the Democrats) peddled the same doom and gloom narrative in 2004. They may be just as astonished come November 6. But that’s what happens when you start believing your own propaganda.
Jim you totally discredit yourself by actually typing (I’ll assume dishonestly, as to credit you with enough intelligence to know how idiotic that is) the “Democratic Reagan”.
Obama is in active opposition to everything that Reagan and conservatives hold dear. Away from the teleprompters he is a poorly spoken, sophomoric, hack. That is a sign that he doesn’t “own” his ideas, or is presenting ideas he doesn’t really believe. Ask him about golf and I bet he’s as smooth as silk!
Watch Fox News tonight Tues 10/2/12
40 minute unedited tape of Obama that he does not want you to see.
Oh…you mean the one I saw five years ago?
Give it up.
Yeah, actually you didn’t see it 5 years ago because only 9 minutes of were available. But, thanks for playing. Either way, it’s funny how this video release is somehow a show of “desperation” by the GOP yet when the Dems released the “unlreased” video of Romney 2 weeks ago (that was also online months before) none of you said a peep. lol
jds, You didn’t see it 5 years ago. No one did. But many will now and it ain’t gonna be pretty for the President. Get a grip….
To Jim, (Crow?):Shame on your racism! Would you vote for the Kingfish just because he is a negro? Do you reject our Lord, Jesus Christ, because He is not black? Why do you moan and whimper about racism when it is directed at you- then hurt others with your own brand of the same poison?
Try to look at the moral quality of a man. Just a man. Not a white, brown or black man; but just a man, period.
Try to look at that man’s accomplishments realistically. Do not deceive yourself with absurd, unproveable claims. eg unemployment under 8% when it is closer to 20 percent when all of the unemployed are counted.
Crazy people live in fantasy worlds- until they are institutionalized for their own safety. You want to learn how to live in the real world; devoid of MSM disinformation.
You should want to grow up, to mature, to learn to care, to love, to be productive and to be honest. Give it a try?
The media – as branch of the democrats’ campaign – are trying to create a “common sense”, in the hope that they can cause their opinions to become a reality.
It could even backfire ! They are probably convincing only their base, and that means that many democrats could decide not to vote (given that the result is assured) !!!
I say give Obama a bigger lead, pollsters, a can’t-possibly-lose lead, so those complacent about or benefiting from this disaster extend their complacency to voting, and stay home November 6th.
For what it’s worth, in the Los Angeles area where I daily come into contact with a good many twenty-somethings (myself being over 60) I find few who actually plan to vote this November–though many still lean to Obama should they do so. Four years ago this was definitely not the case as they enthusiastically planned to join their friends to see the first black man was put into the White House. No doubt Obama will accrue the 55 electoral votes from California anyway but the popular vote for him here shouldn’t be anything close to that of 2008.
Joseph–Funny you mention that. I am currently visiting my sons in So. Cal. and am finding the exact same thing. Most of my two sons’ friends, in their mid to late 20s, are vaguely liberal and sort of sympathetic to Obama, but have no intention of voting. Not even registered. I went to Best Buy to get a phone and conducted a little poll among the young staff working there. Could not find even one who was planning to vote. One even asked me if the election was this year. Another asked me, “How do you do that voting thing?” I made it sound as complicated as possible.
“made it sound as complicated as possible ” – love it !
Some polls show Obama leading in California by a large double-digit margin. If true, then it won’t matter if those young people vote or not. It would take a massive no-show on election day for Romney to carry California and that just isn’t likely to happen.
The real issue is Republican turnout in swing states. There, every vote counts.
Sadly I can bear this out with contacts with friends. Too many still drink the Kool-Aid and while there’s not enthusiasm like ’08 the motivation seems to be less support of Obama and instead outright fear of Romney. There’s a horrid meme especially among the kids that somehow the GOP is made up entirely of religious fanatics who are going to make Hitler’s 1933 takeover look like a Boy Scout Jamboree. It’s ridiculous at its face but also very difficult to counteract with things like facts. So long as too many California voters think this way consider the left coast lost.
If one MUST tell liberals when to vote make sure to tell when it is election day. That being November 7 of course.
So voter suppression is your answer to winning? How about laying out your case for the public. Hope is good thing, but I’m not seeing a win for Romney from where I sit and the Democrat voter’s I know see this race as a must win. So I’m not seeing this lack of enthusiasm here and since this article is primarily anecdotal, that’s experience.
If the democrat basis is stupid enough to think 11/7 is the day to vote, why should be be expected to give them the right information? They love voter fraud, suppression of the vote and class politics….let them eat cake….or use their Obamaphone as the case may be.
because disenfranchising voters just because they disagree with you kooks is soooo GOTea.
I love the self-righteous b.s. spin in this article. I particularly loved the “an average of $1.85″ quote. Gas was at $1.85 right after the economy crashed. Before that it was over $4 a gallon… for just a bit longer than it “averaged” $1.85. Keystone pipeline? Yes, yes, let’s risk our valuable water supply so that Canadian oil can export to China. Anything for big oil.
I fail to see how a pipeline on the surface is going to impact the water supply, which is contained far beneath the surface. What, exactly, are they going to pump through the pipeline? Oil, correct? Do you know something about oil that I don’t? Is Canadian oil somehow water-soluble?
Seriously, what is it with liberals and having such difficulty with real, actual science?
Wow – you people are too stupid to breate. You forget to breathe sometimes, don’t you?
The pipeline is for exporting Canada’s oil to the USA, INSTEAD of China.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” –Lincoln.
A tried and true conservative technique. Bravo for voter surpression.
To the previous lefty repliers:
It ain’t “voter suppression,” it’s “toying with people who would be too stupid to be allowed to vote if they seriously believed it.”
Or, better, “toying with lefty trolls too wound up to get a joke.”
Back when I lived in Springfield, IL, a conservative radio host like to remind all his audience near election time that “Republican voting day is next Tuesday; Democrat voting day is next Wednesday.” I always got a chuckle out of that.
Good work. We want them to kick back and chill, not get involved with a complicated old school tedium like voting. God forbid if we ever get voting by text,ala “America’s got talent”, we’d be sunk.
No doubt, thanks to efforts like yours, Romney is a cinch to carry California….
Encourage people not to vote! So much for all the sacrifice those before have made to make this the great democratic society. Way to go, hope you are proud!
(*laughs*) It’s not her job to get out the vote for the Obama campaign! Please! Surely they can get it done with their myriad of field offices and great ground game and . . . .
Why would anyone NOT want to stand in line for hours to vote for our dear leader?
” I made it sound as complicated as possible “. That made me laugh out loud, love it.
I live in San Francisco, aka Fantasy Island, with not an Obama sign to be seen anywhere. But 2008 produced very few either. Here “progress” is simply understood to be the choice. What I don’t see this time around are the (DNC-paid; I asked) young people in their blue t-shirts outside the coffee shops.
Unfortunately, even a lower popular vote this time doesn’t matter in California; only the electoral votes The One has sewn up count. The battle for our country’s survival, like none other in my 64 years, is elsewhere.
Paul S. Our prayers are with you my friend. It is sad to see what is happening to such a beautiful part of our great country. If anyone needs a preview of what will happen to the rest of the US if we don’t turn things around, just look at California. Terrible shame….
Unfortunately, the voters in CA identify with their party like it’s a football team, vote for D or R so their team can win, vice having the attitude they are selecting employees. T
Hence the descent of CA into becoming the laughingstock of the nation.
And remember, too, how unpopular George Bush and the war in Iraq was.
A result of ceaseless and strident negative campaigning by your above-mentioned ‘legacy media’ for a six-year period prior to 2008.
Ah come on, even conservatives must give that the Iraq War was a complete and utter clusterf**k? Even if you still think it was a war worth fighting, the way it was conducted was just plain horrible.
You want to know why? It’s because the politicians and the OWSers and the MSM are trying to tell the military how to wage a war. Tell them to get the F out and start letting the military fight the war from the generals on down. The public does not need to have input on this matter. Neither do the politicians, nor the MSM. Most of them wouldn’t know how to fight their way out of a paper bag. Let alone how to battle a despciable and lunatic enemy. IKEA had to photoshop a woman out of a catalog to pacify Saudi Arabia. Don’t tell me that Islam reveres women when this sort of hog-wash is happening. Islam is cult and a msyognist one at that.
the clusterxxxx has come with obama’s withdrawing from iraq early and using maliki to stall progress there. oh and let’s not forget the dufus biden was put in charge of iraq where today he is virtually despised and asked not to come back. iraq needs to get out of chapter 7 and let their currency come to th world stage. guess who is the stall in their progress? barak hussein obama, that’s who. just like reid won’t admit there is such a thing as a budget, obama won’t own up to the financial peril in this country. obama cares not about anything but his election. the world can burn, go to the devil and we can go off the financial cliff. he cares not as long as he and mooch are taken care of. that’s what you get when you vote for pretend cool!
As a conservative who is just to the right of Attila the Hun, and who was on active duty and participated in ops in Afghanistan. I will concur– the initial purpose for attacking Afghanistan was to send the message to the world that we would not tolerate a government sponsoring terrorism. The officers pretty much figured we’d have to take out three governments across administrations led by the different parties for the world to take the message seriously. Note, we americans on the world stage are viewed as having ADHD- we don’t establish and follow a strategy/policy for any length of time.
Instead of reaffirming and emphasizing that point going into Iraq, it was his support for terrorism- we got bogged down in the details of the type of support he could give. So, instead of saying it’s about his consistent support for terrorism regardless of the quality of that support, it became about the quality/level- WMDs. Mostly because of our intent on sending a message, got sidetracked with trying to gain world approval by leveraging the injunctions already in place. Saddam was not involved in the 9/11 attacks, but he did provide aid/assistance to terrorist groups routinely. In some ways a deal with the devil, he provided assistance and they left his government alone. (How long that would have continued is anyone’s guess, but he was pretty ruthless).
Anyway, we stuck around like we always true trying to fix everything when we should have just walked away. Let them set up whatever government they wanted. Same as Afghanistan. Save our money and men, just leave with the message- if the next government you set up does the same crap. We will be back.
Note that both Libya and Iran became very responsive, let in inspectors etc. after we invaded Iraq. They didn’t want to be number 3. After we started clearly infighting with our politicians beating each other up for domestic political advantage, Iran figured once again the Americans couldn’t stay focused and went back to pursuing nukes.
Iraq made sense as a national strategy to dissuade governments from sponsoring terrorism. Nation building, particularly that area of the world, was a waste of time and resources IMHO. After we leave Afghanistan and the Taliban regain power, will they believe we’ll come back? Or will they assess we no longer have the political will even if they provide safe haven and support to terrorists.
The reason to use WMD as the causation was a fumbled attempt by Colin Powell to build on existing UN resolutions as a justification for invading the country. It failed dramatically, as those powers with an interest in keeping the Hussein regime alive (notably the Chirac govt. in France) used the UN process to stall the US and buy time for Hussein to shove his WMDs into Syria and God knows where, and otherwise clean up the evidence.
The mistake was always going to the UN but remember all the same the D-Party probably wouldn’t give Bush a green light to the operation if he didn’t at least try for UN approval (and Bush wisely wanted any war decision on Iraq to be bi-partisan). That didn’t stop them from pulling the rug out from under his feet once any sign of bad news came from Iraq after we took over.
As a retired AF officer, I sincerely thank you for serving.
And I think your opinion is spot on. We do fantastic when it comes to fighting wars, but we don’t do the nation-building thing very well at all.
All wars are klusters…..the enemy nevers does whats their supposed to and the plans always go sideways…..its what you learn from it that makes the difference…..I dare anyone to name one war that went as planned and was without major problems.
Every day the America people were greeted by news of someone being blown up in Iraq. If it wasn’t our troops then it was a car bomb going of somewhere. The same thing is still happening, but it is not even news anymore or it is buried on the back pages.
Our ambassador is killed in Libya and the media has a full court press on Romney for something he was 100% right on and which Obama and his administration ultimately agreed with. However the media was trying to let Obama off the hook, but it looks like their lies and their attempt to cover up the disaster is coming back to haunt them.
You are absolutely right. When political correctness dictates that you can only fight just enough to stay even, but not “WIN”, then you’re scr*ewed before you even get started.
Fail.
The war was a flawless victory, ousting the regime and crushing its military opposition in a matter of days.
It was the occupation that was FUBAR. And you’ll find few conservatives outside the discredited neo-cons who would agree with WHY the occupation was FUBAR: Nation building.
The occupation orders were “no martial law” and kid-glove fantasy-think predicting rainbows and unicorns would immediately come shooting out of the freed population’s collective a55es.
Get your facts right, junior.
Junior? God, I hate condescending people.
I completely agree. George Bush is one of the worst presidents our country has ever have. I am pushing for Romney, a man better by far than his opponent.
I couldn’t agree more. I spent 35 months of my life there. I met a lot of people who convinced me that un#$%^in their country was a worthwhile goal. Unfortunately, we (the government) didn’t mean business. Rotating troops in and out every few months? Are you kidding me?!?? In a part of the world where anything substantial that gets done is based on personal relationships, starting from square one at least once a year in terms of trying to build those relationships was the biggest obstacle we faced, followed by corruption and then the bad guys. Hell, kids who got on a boat for Europe in the 40s sometimes didn’t come home for a solid decade. How weak is my generation that we can’t handle more than a few months away from Ruby Tuesday and Carmike Cinemas without breaking down? If we’d left the ones that did the invasion (including me) over there “till it’s finished,” and ruthlessly Gitmo-ed anyone caught in embezzlement, cronyism, nepotism, and so on, Iraq would have been as squared away as Turkey within 5 years. Short tours and tolerance of corruption killed any chance we had.
One wonders about these polls simply because, in the age of caller ID, how many people (and which among us) are willing to pick up a call from an unknown number? I really don’t know anyone who answers the phone for random numbers anymore and certainly not for those which are obvious solicitations. My conclusion is that not only are they oversampling Democrats, but they are getting a group that is slightly off-kilter from the representative population.
Yes, I agree. I think they are sampling lonely people; I certainly do not answer calls from numbers that I don’t recognize or the minute some spiel starts, I just hang up.
Go over to the Zombie article linked by Roger Kimball above and read the comments. You’ll get the answer to your question. If you don’t have the time, I’ll summarize: not a helluva lot. And I’m one who does not.
With people I read wondering if they dare put a Romney-Ryan bumper sticker on their cars, why would I tell a stranger anything (truthful) about my preferences?
We are the 91%.
If Pollsters can only reach 9% of their targeted respondents and obtain responses, how representative of the rest of the electorate can those responses be?
Technology has again made the job of poll taking the old fashioned way useless.
The 9% of people in Americans who can and will take polling calls at 2PM when the rest of us are working are also likely candidates to have been given an Obamaphone.
Personally, I hope the poll takers really believe their methodology and data quality is as good and accurate as they publicly say.
Ha, ha, ha,
The story that deluded people tell themselves. If by some miracle Romney could pull off on upset, it would be barely.
Stoicheion, your theory about random sampling is hillarious. Obviously you have never studied statistics. Your best bet is the over sampling of Dems hypothesis. In fact that is minimal at best. The Gallup poll trationally over samples repubicans since it is a robo calling polling. Gallup has Obama ahead 50% to 44%. In all likelyhood, it is even a larger spread.
But, Republicans must keep hope alive. The Debates could change all that. But Romneys problem is if he goes moderate he loses his base, and if he stays right wing he loses the moderates. The results are a wishy washy stance.
It makes me laugh when people that don’t have a clue what they’re talking try to school OTHERS. In order for most of these polls to prove accurate, Dem turnout will have to be even HIGHER than it was in 2008. Nobody in their right mind believes that is going to happen. But, hey, I hope all the Democrats are as cocky as you. Reminds me of Nancy Pelosi in 2010 confidently predicting the Democrats would hold onto the House… then watched the beat down of the century as they had to pry the gavel from her hands… As for polls,here’s a great one from Newsweek in Sept 2000 — “AL GORE LEADS BUSH BY 12 POINTS NATIONALLY”. LOL!!
The problem with this line of reasoning is that it assumes that we have a truly educated and logical electorate rather than the one that we have. Our electorate gets their news from the likes of Jon Stewart. They read and believe everything the far-left media outlets dish out. They swallow every fabrication of the propaganda that’s been shoved down their throats for the last decade, and they’ve almost entirely lost their ability to think for themselves. And, perhaps most dangerously of all, they’ve been told by the propagandists that they’re the enlightened ones, that they are the educated ones, and that they need not seek out, and in fact must avoid, any other narratives other than what they’re fed. All of this makes me worry that if Obama does win this election, it not only means four more years of incompetence in the White House, but also the complete loss of integrity in our democratic system.
But Lindsay, remember they are only 47% of the voting population. That’s not enough. From what I see, many may have trouble finding a polling place even with Obama’s GOTV campaign to help. The dead will still vote in Chicago but that is conceded.
That’s funny, your fears are exactly what many democrats were saying in 2004 about Bush. When will this cycle end, when will debate policy instead of irrational fears? Even the article in question tosses polls aside, even though they’ve been right 18 of the last 20 presidential elections, 19 if you count the popular vote instead of the electoral college (because of Gore v. Bush). But again, in 2004, Democrats were claiming exactly what Republicans claim today: “they’re oversampling Republicans. It’s just not true” Evidence must trump our fears and our desires, and the fact is, Obama is currently winning. The other fact is, intelligent people do vote for Obama, and sure enough, intelligent people vote for Romney too. So you can’t make blanket statements, not without evidence. And last but not least, stop the fear. Now, back to the meat: Obama came to office losing 850,000 jobs a month. We’ve now had 30 straight months of job growth, and within the next month, Obama will have completely wiped out the job losses from the recession. The stock market has doubled since he entered office. So here’s what Romney needs to argue: why would the recovery be better without Obama’s policies? What policies would he put in place to increase the speed of the recovery? And how do those policies differ from the ones that were in place leading up to the recession? Are they merely different in magnitude, or in kind? And what evidence do you have that they’ll work? What is your reasoning?
End the fear. Start the real debate.
Loss of our democratic system?
Last I checked Fox news had the highest rating of all news networks. To those on the left MSNBC is the only real liberal network. Everyother network is so caught up in being “fair” and showing both view points that they completely ignore outright lie’s from the right. John Steward is a comedian who’s show calls our sensationalism in the media, from both sides, but obviously does lean to the left. People have options now more then ever to chose where they get their news, and they have representation from all view points (except on AM radio that’s dominated by conservatives) and they are going to listen to who they agree with. To say we lost our democratic system because people are “dumb” is crazy. Losing a democratic system is making voting more difficult, trying to change the system to favor one group over another is not a democracy.
Rarely do I disagree with thee, brother Roger. This is one of those occasions.
Bland-as-oatmeal, reach-across-the-aisle-till-it-hurts John McCain would have lost by an even greater margin had he not chosen Sarah Palin as a running mate.
I totally agree. I also believe that if McCain had allowed Palin to campaign in Michigan and Wisconsion McCain would have won these states. There are still a ton of Reagan Democrats here and she resonated with them.
I disagree. I think it would have been a a very close race if McCain had chosen anyone else but Sarah Palin. She was too far to the right for the undecideds. In hindsight I also think McCain wanted to run for President, NOT be president and knowingly sabotaged his own campaign.
Actually, McCain would have polled bigger numbers. The fallacy is that Palin galvanized the consevative vote, so McCain got more votes. The reality is that most independents went to Obama because of Palin, or the media’s perception of Palin. The conservatives would have voted against the liberal anyway.
Myself and about 50% of conservatives I know couldnt stand mccain and would not have voted for him had he picked a so-called “moderate”
Palin saved Mccain from an even bigger loss. That is a fact!
Absolutley true! The MCcain/Palin ticket got $100, from me because he selectedPalin. No more after MCcain kept crumbling in his bungled efforts. The man doesn’t so much laugh as he giggles! Puleeeeeese!
All of the above provide the logical, rational reasons why Obama shouldn’t win reelection. If this were still 1980, I’d expect you to be right and to see Obama lose badly in the end.
Unfortunately, the only issue that may matter in the end is the oft-mocked (by the left), yet mostly accurate ’47%’ number mentioned by Romney.
As someone once remarked ‘very few people will ever vote themselves out of a job or a handout.’ That is unfortunately true, regardless of how incompetent the current leadership is in Washington.
If we are not at the tipping point where the moochers exceed the productive class, we will soon be there.
And even if not there yet, factor in a few percentage points added from relentless media bias, fraud, etc. and I think Romney is going to have a tough (though not impossible) time winning.
Here’s hoping I’m wrong on November 6th…
I am one of those who currently sustain a living from Uncle Sugar. I am a contractor assisting those who deploy to those benighted places where our troops are in danger from the religion of peace (which is why I stay). I also get a decent retirement check, so I, logically, have every incentive to vote for “the Won.” Never,I say again, never, will I or have I voted for he or his ilk, ever. My oath to the Constitution remains valid unto death. I will vote for a wet paper bag and forego all my Uncle Sugar money (family concurs, would rather leave the Beltway cesspool and tighten our belts a bit than stay and keep the money going) than keep the current grasping tyrant (and his minions) in power.
I may be one of those 47% (and 1% as labeled by Obama) but R&R will get my vote! And I want the Constitution as the observed law of the land, not executive orders, PC purges and endless deficit spending.
Semper Fidelis, Webfoot Warrior
You are a patriot.
I live in Western PA, yes, I am a bitter clinger. I am greatly encouraged from what I see around me. I have seen not one Obama yard sign, but several Romney/Ryan signs. A sprinkling of Obama bumper stickers, but some of them are faded 2008s. I am neighbors with our Repub Party committeeman here and he said the local Demos have TWO offices, and they are constantly fighting with each other (i.e. very divided party) and said a Democrat lady came into the office the other day and told him that while she couldn’t put up a sign or a bumper sticker, she just wanted him to know she would be voting Repub this time around.
Second, a perhaps more importantly, I practice Family Medicine and many of my 47% patients have confided to me that they will NOT be voting for Obama. Both black and white patients, by the way.
So, hang in there. God is in control. We’re still in for a horribly bumpy ride even if the Repubs take complete control. We’ve made some horrible decisions as a country and we will still have to live with the consequences.
I too live in Western PA and on my daily commute (33 miles roundtrip), the only signs I see referencing Obama are the 6 that say “Stop the war on coal, vote Obama out”.
obama clearly will not even win the votes of the whole 47%, even though logically he should. i think almost everyone gets something from the govt at this point, but they won’t all go for Mr. O.
Its seems your London friends have a very short memory. Back in 2004 according to the UK media there was no way that Bush could get reelected. By a month before election day Kerry was as good as president and “informed” commentators were discussing how a Kerry presidency would look. I stayed up late on Election night to watch the cognitive dissonance unfold on the BBC all night election coverage. It was a joy to behold. Even by the following morning when it was obvious that Bush had won handily the talking heads in the studio were still grasping at straws. There was no way Bush could have won…
And then the whole incident was swallowed up by a media black hole as if it never happened.
Yoru friends also forget the U.K General Election of 1992 where according to all polls for a year before the election Labour where going to win by a landslide. Turned out the polls where completely wrong. John Major got reelected. The polls were wrong in 1992 for the same reason they are wrong today. People are not willing to tell pollsters their real opinion. And the sampling methodology has become serious skewed towards a particular non representational demographic.
I dont think Romney is going to win big. I think he will win by about 1%/1.5% in the popular poll but I would not be too surprised if the Dems try a reverse Tilden if the opportunity arises.
Another factor that needs looking at: how many on the electoral roll will bother to turn out on election day? Here are some figures for two British General Elections:-
2005 – 61%
2010 – 65%(N.B. Based so far on the 300-odd seats I’ve chacked so far)
I was in London during the Bush/Kerry election, and can attest to the virtually universal conviction that Kerry would prevail. I’ll never forget the astonishment and rage the next day. I considered getting up on the soapbox at Speaker’s Corner in Hyde Park to say Bush’s re-election was a good thing, but the mood was too ugly and I thought better of it.
jmc.
I don’t know why anyone would have been convinced Kerry would win. From late August onward, he was only ahead in 5 out of 100 polls. But the fact is, he would have won if he got Ohio and he may have gotten Ohio had we (I’m an Ohioan) had sufficient voting machines in certain communities. We turned people away in groves that year. Far more subtle than having the Supreme Court decide again.
You should also have told them that Hollywood movies do not accurately portray America. Blow their minds, it would.
My guess is your fellow dinner companions, if they know you at all, are used to you getting it wrong all the time. I suspect your prediction of a Romney blowout virtually guarantees an Obama victory. I mean, you’ve been wrong so consistently and for so long the odds that you’re right this time are about the same as winning the lottery and getting hit by a meteor on the same day.
You just keep believin’ that, honey.
Small sample size, so take with a statistical grain of salt, but I’ve knocked on a couple hundred doors here in Michigan as part of the GOP GOTV effort, asking folks, if the election were held today, who they would vote for. The ones that tell me they support Obama do so in a defensive if not bordering hostile manner. The ones supporting Romney state their intentions clearly and enthusiastically. And a number of the ones who say they are undecided give me the impression that they voted for him in 2008 and regret doing so (and a couple have actually stated that).
D+ skewed polls, 9% poll response rates coupled with record distrust of the media by conservatives, political donations to Obama down and Romney up, Democrat absentee voter applications way down – I smell Democrat failure in the wind. Low turnout, lack of enthusiasm, election failure.
But I’ll buy myself lunch if I’m wrong.
Joel – I also am walking in my city of Troy Michigan for Romney. Two weeks ago there were a few people that were saying Obama was their choice but weakly. Last weekend the sentiment seemed to harden for the Romney supporters and the Obama supporters were even weaker. The Obama supporters are mainly the ones that left Detroit/Southfield for better schools and housing.
I expect this trend to continue and I believe that it will be a rout at the end. People just have to get comfortable with Romney as president ala Reagan. When Jon Stewart rips your narrative on Libya you know you have problems.
Thanks for your efforts. This election is about the preservation of our Republic.
It’s amusing how similar the current election is to Carter and Reagan’s. Carter got a boost six weeks before the real vote which had no basis in reality. The election was a landslide for Reagan. Why did the polls not show that?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/keep-calm-and-carry-on.php
The polls, in last week before the election, only showed a minor bump. Nothing, in the polls, was real then. Nothing is real now.
Forget the polls, they don’t mean a thing.
What I find perhpas not-so-amusing is your inability THINK and RESEARCH for yourself, but rather be spoon-fed talking points and make like a parrot. Sorry, try as you might there are no significant similarities between this election of Obama-Romney and that of Carter-Reagen.
The ONLY similarities between Obama and Carter is that both were Democrats and incumbants, that is where it begins and ends.
The ONLY similarities between Romney and Reagen is that both are Republicans, both were governors, and both last name begins with an R. That is where it begins and ends.
As for the polls, Reagan led in the non-Gallup polls frequently. Noticed that I said NON-GALLUP. This is true.
2.) There was no 24/7 news environment or Internet in 1980 so many voters did not know the challenger well until the end.
3.) Carter had a much lower approval rating than does Obama. See #6.
4.) There are far more minority voters now.
5.) Reagan was likable unlike Romney, the most hated nominee of the modern era. Romney was already disliked from the get-go, and that 47% didn’t help him any.
5a.) Reagen the challenger had a likeability facotr that was greater than Carter the incumbant; that is not the case in this situation. Obama the incumbant enjoys a greater likeability facotr than Romney the challenger. As one Republican strategist explained, “it’s one thing when the voters don’t like you, but it gets worse when the voters think tha tyou don’t like them”.
6.) Also, Jimmy Carter went through a bruising primary with Ted Kennedy and had a divided party going into that election, ironically, I think some of these so-called Reagen Democrats came from the Kennedy camp. I am not aware of any Romney Democrats, although some of you will lie and claim there are “lots” of them, just for the sake of the narrative that you want to create. No sitting President has ever went through a legitmate primary challenge and survived re-election.
So as you see, this is nothing like Carter-Reagen, no matter how much you try to allude and/or analogize it to be.
If anything, Obama is more akin to Reagen than Romney is. Do some research and you will be surprised to find that Reagen’s first term unemployment rates were comparable to and in many instances, worse than Obama’s. Add to that, Reagen didn’t face an obstructionist Democratic majority congress the way that Obama had to deal with an obstructionist Republican majority congresas, that made it’s primary goal to make Obama a one term President.
I’m sure people like you have uttered, “No sitting President has ever been re-elected with an unemployment rate of 8% and over.”
Well that’s true. But you want to know something…? At one time no sitting President had ever been re-elected with an unemployment rate of 7% and over…. until Ronald Reagen.
Carry on.
One more thing Louis. Do truly believe that after 30 years with the advancement in technology and thus the rapid availablity of information at light-speed essentially, that polling has not been fine-tuned and made more efficient and thereby more accurate? I’m not saying that polling is 100% accurate, but common sense would indicate that it has come a long way from 30 years ago.
But I guess it’s easier to apply the ostrich in the sand defense.
Carry on.
Ever – While technology has advanced/changed, the process of collecting data has not. I believe the polls are just as inaccurate as 1980. Reasons for my assertion:
- Method for gathering information remains the telephone call but…..
- No caller ID 30 years ago. I selectively pick up calls and I see lots of political calls and unknowns. I am an active voter and vote every election so I am a highly prized commodity.
- Cell phones and no phone books concentrates the impact into a demographic that is skewed Democratic.
– Many many women answers phones that men don’t.
- Polls anymore are “push” style with bubble answers that don’t really get to what motivates me to vote. I talked to a neighbor who does answer phone calls and tells me what she is asked.
- People DELIBRATELY lying on polls
- I think that polling will have to start looking at their data collection methods because what is being published isn’t jiving with what I see.
Roger, I assume you’ve read Charlie Martin’s articles on this subject. I think they’re about as good as rational analysis gets, and he doesn’t reach any bold conclusions beyond the likelihood that polls are overstating Obama’s support by an amount that’s hard to estimate.
Dick Morris has written similar thoughts, but is more willing to go out on a limb than Charlie, and sees Romney winning by about the same margin that Obama won in 2008. Unless the polls are complete junk, it’s hard to see Romney getting more than 52%, but these days, 52% is a landslide.
I hope you are right but I believe we need to be ready for the possiblity that the MSM will carry Obama across the finish line with the drumming narative and their refusal to cover his problems. We need to be prepared to punish the MSM if they succeed. Not just turn off NBC news, but all of NBC including their captured cable networks. Not just ABC news but ESPN too. Not just CBS news but Sunday NFL games.
Time to go Howard Beale: “I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!”.
I agree with the sentiment but would have trouble going “all the way”. Another suggestion might be to cancel newspaper subscriptions to your local rag (most of these left leaning publications pay the NYT and AP, etc for feeds). In Providence, RI we have only 1 newspaper. However there is an upstart online publication, golocalprov.com that seems to have a pretty high level of local journalism, putting their noses into alot of issues that the ProJo wouldn’t take on or does but giving it to us with their leftward-slant. I say dump ‘em and patronize these upstarts. I think the NYT and other newspapers may be close to falling and a massive conservative reader revolt could create the results we need.
Remember also that trust in the “legacy” media is at historic lows according to a recent Gallup poll: 60% have little or no trust in them http://www.gallup.com/poll/157589/distrust-media-hits-new-high.aspx?utm_source=add_this&utm_medium=addthis.com&utm_campaign=sharing#.UFxAr81zOIU.twitter
Former Carter pollster Pat Caddell came out and said directly the media has become an “enemy of the American people.” A large swath of our citizens don’t even want to talk to them, let alone listen to them.
Screw the polls, screw the media, just show up on election day.
Except that Romney is not interested in fixing the system. He doesn’t care that private investment firms buy companies not to profit from making them better, but squeezing fees from them by piling on the debt and then selling them off to the next sucker (see Al Lewis’ recent column in the Wall Street Journal about how companies like PPK and Romney’s Bain did just that to Serta).
He’s not going to fix Social Security by making the minor adjustments needed to keep the funding coming. Instead, he wants to privatize it and help Wall Street earn billions in fees in an attempt to pump up stock prices.
There’s certainly no interest in closing the fraud gap in Medicare that’s letting billions be misspent, or in getting the IRS to fix its system whereby hundreds of refunds flow to the same address.
What we seem to have now is a system whereby nobody is responsible for managing their departments, but reacting to the latest news story.
You want to know why the polls show a tie race? It’s because both candidates offer nothing except “I’m not the other guy.”
Bill P. I sure would love to see the source for your appraisal of Romney’s plans! Mitt will treat the ills of our country with the same logical approach he used in PE and the Olympics. Identify the problems, fix em one by one and move on. Your assessment is so full of holes, it’s a waste to keystrokes and bandwidth to address them one by one.
Reading the Telegraph the other day, I was surprised to find folks like Tim Stanley referring to Romney statements and Romney actions as gaffes, e.g. “Mitt Romney – you are a very frustrating nominee. The economy is unhealthy and the administration’s foreign policy is in doubt. And yet you have muddled what should be a predictable victory in November with gaffe, counter-gaffe and – now – a pre-gaffe.”
The US media has been shockingly successful. Smart people find they do not have time to investigate statements and events. Smart people do not want to be seen voting for the gaffe guy.
Calling everything a gaffe is a more devastating attack than it first appears because it appeals to one’s vanity.
Romney: He’s ugly and his mother dresses him funny.
Look on the bright side — the result of this is that you get great odds on Romney and Ryan at Betfair ;-D
I’m getting my elephant cookie cutter out and am ready to “roll.”
Ha ha, good one, sweetie! Let’s roll!
The Narrative seems to be breaking down somewhat, and alternative narratives are being investigated: Seen on the front cover of an Australian magazine “Is Obama too Good for America?”
Too WHAT!?!
Speechless. Words do not suffice.
Could it be that the Romney campaign knew they would never have the media with them and planned an end run around them?
It’s pretty laughable and hypocritical of you Republicans complain about a perceived media bias for Obama and against Romney, but none of you complained about the exact same perceived bias by the same media for Romney in the primaries. You flip-flop as much as he doesn. You deserves him.
Of course the MSM were biased for Romney in the Primaries. They wanted him to be the Republican candidate, because they thought he wasn’t charismatic enough to beat Obama. Well the first debate has shown up Obama for being the talentless, empty suit we all knew him to be, and revealed Romney to be a charismatic man with some serious intellectual heft.
Obama is a trendy Jimmy Carter.
Lindsay,
As much as it pains to read your comments,i have to say that you are right for the most part.
I agree. I’m sticking to my prediction that Romney wins. But I don’t think his campaign team is very good.
Ad I’m getting worried. Romney should be 10 points up in the polls now, as badly Obama has screwed up.
I worry about two things, stupidity and voter fraud.
1. Stupidity: America was stupid enough to elect this poseur once. As bad as Romney’s campaign has been, it may happen again.
2. Fraud: Close elections can be stolen. Blow-outs can’t be.
That’s why I think if Romney wins, it won’t be close.
Obamee has already bought tens of millions of votes with free cell phones, food stamps, housing, drug money — I mean “cash assistance”, and the list goes on. Best part is the vast majority of these lovely cancers on America’s backside aren’t eligible to vote.
And as far as blowouts not being stolen, do you honestly think Obamee won fairly in 2008, given he was a political non-entity 18 months before? The blowout WAS the theft.
Same thing is shaping up this year. All the “polls” find Obamee ahead. All the honest logic says Romney should be winning in a landslide.
You do the math.
Max,
The media Would NEVER advertise that Romney has a 10 point lead weeks remaining in the campaign season. The question becomes; how do you know that Romney does not have a 10 point lead?
Given that minorities are strongly for Obama, and they now comprise about 27% of the total vote (up 14 points from 1980), it’s impossible for Romney to win a blowout.
To win 51% of the total vote when white voters are just 73% of the total vote, Romney would need 51/73 or 70% of white voters. That’s a larger proportion of white voters than any previous GOP candidate has ever received.
To win 55% of the total vote, Romney would need 55/73 or 75% of white voters.
The proportion of white voters continues to decline with each passing year. A baby born today will grow up in an America in which white Americans are a minority group. America will have become a majority-minority country. How will the GOP win elections then?
Sinz. I can’t argue with your math but you do leave out:
Blacks and Hispanics are firmly against the abortion mandate as well as the trend towards progressive views on homosexuality.
Black preachers are ranting about BHO and his policies.
BHO has pissed off the Catholics, Jews and middle class working folks.
BHO has pissed off another large segment with his “Guns and religion” comment.
BHO has pissed off every small business owner with “You didn’t build that”..
The youth vote (18-24) is abandoning BHO in record numbers.
50% of recent college grads are under-employed or unemployed.
Race will not continue to be the issue now that we’ve gotten the glass ceiling broken with the election of a 1/2 black man as president. Social issues and economic issues will determine our future elections.
You assume that the biggest marker here is skin color. Nope. Middle class nuclear families with multiple children make up the staunchest group of Republicans. Provided the GOP sets in place policies that encourage financial freedom -which allows people to buy homes and start families- they’ll have a bright future**. The Republican party is made up of people who have something to lose.
** I would add here: “and reform divorce laws”. The disintegration of the family need not be facilitated. Lots of blame to be passed around here, but making it possible for a woman to leave her husband, take their children, and destroy his finances for the foreseeable future on the thinnest of pretexts is one of the great injustices of our time. It’s consequences have been devastating financially, culturally, and legally to our society as a whole.
Fortunately, it doesn’t have to work that way. As proven in 2000, we don’t elect presidents by the national popular vote count. Everything depends on the 50 separate state popular vote counts that determine who gets the all-important Electoral College votes. Obama could get 100% California’s and New York’s votes and it wouldn’t get him any more Electoral College votes than if he won by 50%+1.
The GOP policies help minorities. Most minorities don’t realize that the government dependency plan that Democrats sell is not best for their long term interests. Minorities need economic opportunity (not dependency). Dependency is how Democrats enslave generations.
Look at the results.
The Hispanics will mature politically and their voting will be pretty much like the other “whites”.
You assume a 27% minority turnout. How about a 22% or 24% turnout? What would be the election results?
sinz,
Your math assumes:
1. the non white vote will turn out in the same proportion as their registered vote percentage. That’s a heavy lift. I believe it the non-white turnout will be lower then 27%.
2. 100% of the non-white vote will vote for Obama. I can believe 75% or even 80% but not 100%. That makes a big difference.
If you assume, non white turnout of 25% and 80% of the non white vote supporting Obama (20% supporting Romney), then Romney only needs 61%, something which is certainly within reach.
“…of our handsome but shockingly incompetent president.”
Handsome? You need to get out more Roger.
Give up — Barack Obama has won. With the election only weeks away, it is clear from recent swing state polling that Mitt Romney has lost this election. According to the Quinnipiac numbers, in the battleground states of Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, the president is ahead by 10%, 9% and 12%, respectively.
Romney can’t win. Just ask any journalist or newscaster. He is toast — stick a fork in him.
Bull…
If anything, the closer we get to Election Day, the more apparent it is that Obama is not only losing, but losing big.
Read more of my article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/its_over.html#ixzz2882c7JFK
So all the polls are wrong? Ha, give me a break…
The poll ddoubters will look very stupid the day after the election. Romney was the candidate not good enough to carry the GOP water.
Just a question? Why would US voters care about the British media view of their election? If Britain is devalued as an ally and trading partner surely the views of Chinese ,German or Latin American media are more important. While most UK media types might not want the US to fall apart they are quite happy to see its relative decline. To be a supporter of US hegemony is quite risky in modern Britain.
After the 2008 election I concluded the only reason Obama was elected was that he seemed to be the diametric opposite of George W. Bush. That opinion hasn’t changed. What has changed is that we finally know something about the man, through his words and actions. People know what’s happening in their own lives; media spin isn’t influencing them.
I’m hopeful that voter turnout will in fact be the opposite of 2008. Many who voted for Obama last time won’t; although they are afraid to say so, publicly or privately. They won’t vote for Romney, either. They’ll just pass. Meanwhile, right-leaning voters are much more motivated than in 2008. By the way, if this is so, it destroys the whole rationale behind the polling methodology being used.
It is bold of Mr. Kimball to stake his credibility on such a seemingly dangerous prediction. After all, if he should turn out to be wrong, who will take him seriously again?
Who takes him seriously now? I wish it were otherwise, but his arguments are ridiculous. And Rasmussen, rhe one pollster he praises (becaue they come closest to his own misperceptions)? They’re the only major polling group not calling cell phones.
Face it: we have a lousy candidate, and we’re going to lose.
Nobody takes him seriously in the first place. A clown doesn’t have to wring his hands over whether people will take him seriously.
That’s why I’m definitely bookmarking his page. Reading his rant on Nov 7th will be … priceless.
I stole this from Bob, in comment 73. below. It would appear that every 4 years Mr Kimball will reliably predict a blowout for the Republican candidate. One day he’ll be right, and only those willing to go digging will realize he’s wrong way more than he’s right.
Roger Kimball, Aug. 28th, 2008:
“Personally, I think John McCain is going to win, and I’m not talking about a hanging-chad squeakeroo. No, I think it will be a blow-out for McCain. He won’t take the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, of course, or New York, Vermont, and the half a dozen other reliable left-liberal bastions of incipient socialism. But, absent some serious mis-steps on the part of the McCain campaign, Obama will, I predict, not only lose, but lose big.
This is not a popular opinion on the Right. (Though, curiously, it is a possibility that seems to be making unhappy inroads among Democrats.) Many of my friends have glumly accepted the prospect of Obama’s victory as an historical inevitability. I think they are precipitant. First of all, nothing is historically inevitable except the unpredictable. But, second, and more to the point, Obama is an extraordinarily weak candidate, a fact that the media’s love affair with him can only partially conceal.”
If Obama is an “extraordinarily weak canidate”…. then what does that say about Romney?
I get the feeling that Romney has been keeping his powder dry, holding his fire for as long as possible, to maximize the impact when he finally lets loose. The first presidential debate, tomorrow night, should mark the first volley, because there is little Obama can do to deflect a properly-planned indictment of his record, right out there for everyone to see. Five weeks isn’t a long time, and if the hits keep coming, folks won’t have time to forget what they see and hear before the election.
I do wonder if Obama is gonna have a new seal for his podium, “Office of the Lame-Duck President,” come November 7th. That I’d love to see. =^[.]^=
Well, he certainly has plenty of ammunition. Thanks to Business Investors Daily, here’s the six year Obama-Pelosi-Reid record:
*”The largest middle class tax increase in history” – the ObamaCare Tax (2008 Obama Campaign/CBO)
*The proportion of the civilian working-age population actually working, at 58%, is the smallest since the 1981 (Labor Department).
• The federal debt, at 69% of GDP, is the highest since just after WWII (CBO). Note: This does NOT include Social Security or Medicare which would put it up over 100%.
• Federal spending, now at 23.4% of GDP, is the highest since WWII (CBO).
• The national homeownership rate, now at 65.4%, is the lowest in 15 years (Census).
• The rate of new business startups — the engine of job growth — has plunged to an all-time low of 7.87% of all businesses (Census Bureau).
*The average American household spent a staggering $4,155 on gasoline during 2011 (API).
*Real median household income has declined $4,300 since Barack Obama entered the White House.
• 3 in 10 young adults can’t find jobs and live with their parents, highest since the 1950s (Pew Research).
• 54% of bachelor’s degree-holders under the age of 25 are jobless or underemployed, the highest share in decades (Northeastern University).
• Black teen unemployment, now at 37%, is near Depression-era highs (Labor Department).
• The share of Americans who’ve been out of work a long time — now at 42% of the unemployed — is the highest since the Great Depression (source: Labor Department).
• Growth in nonfarm payroll jobs since the recovery began in June 2009 is the slowest of any comparable recovery since World War II (Hoover Institution).
• Almost 1 in 6 Americans are now poor — the highest ratio in 30 years — and the total number of poor, at 49.1 million, is the largest on record (Census).
• The share of Hispanics in poverty has topped that of blacks for the first time, 28.2% to 25.4% (Census).
• The number of Americans on food stamps — 45 million recipients, or 1 in 7 residents — also is the highest on record (Congressional Budget Office).
• Total government dependency — defined as the share of Americans receiving one or more federal benefit payments — is now at 47%, highest ever (Hoover).
• The share of Americans paying no income tax, at 49.5%, is the highest ever (Heritage Foundation, IRS).
• The 30-point gap between black and white Americans who own their own homes is the widest in two decades and one of the widest on record (Census).
• Excluding defense and interest payments, spending is the highest in American history, at 17.6% of the economy (First Trust Economics).
• The U.S. budget deficit, now at 9.5% of the economy, is the highest since WWII (CBO).
• U.S. Treasury debt has been downgraded for the first time in history, meaning the U.S. government no longer ranks among risk-free borrowers (S&P).
This is what Obamanomics (“crony socialism”) has wrought. Fiscal promiscuity, trickle-up poverty and shared misery.
And each of these parameters were plunging when Obama took over on Feb 20, 2009. To blame these on Obama is to show that you don’t understand economic inertia.
Not all of the indicators were trending down in 2008.
None of the indicators has improved in 4 years either. They have in fact become exponentially worse. Obama has no idea how to fix America, because his only idea is more debt and more statism.
This is a really good point. How many just incredibly shocking things have happened (Administration lies about Libya terrorism, for example) — things that you would expect to be game-changers extraordinaire — and POOF — gone. No one cares.
If you were Romney, you would hold your fire and then land it all in the first debate. No filter, no Obama-biased moderators, live prime time. Letting it go on the trail, in the press, is a waste.
He’s as much as said this. “This is a direct line” or something like that.
I am really concerned about swing states like Ohio and Virginia. Northern Virginia is full of beneficiaries of big government and the White house has had four years to sweeten their pie in Ohio. I don’t see a Romney win if he loses both Ohio and Virginia.
Of course neither matter as much if Romney pulls PA or MI, but I’m not making bets on either of those.
Northern Virginia feels like it will recede from 2008 levels. Polls showing a strong Obama showing in VA are also showing Kaine up by 8 or 10. No way. We’ve added very few new homes in NVA since 2008. The Beltway Bandit business hasn’t changed all that much either.
Boots on the ground here in Colorado – talking to unaffiliated voters. I have several friends who have never done anything like this before (some are even unaffiliated themselves). We have knocked on thousands of doors, and have spoken to hundreds of voters here in my town. I have to agree with Joel’s statements above. We are finding a 2or3 to 1 Romney advantage. It kind of surprises me, because Romeny has (IMO) run a terrible campaign here in Colorado. Nothing but Obama TV commercials all summer long.
“Romney has run a terrible campaign here in Colorado……..” That may be an understatement.
Funny picture now making the social-media rounds from Romney’s rally yesterday at the Wings over the Rockies Museum. Picture taker panned out just a bit to find that Romney’s podium was between a giant letter ‘B’ and a giant letter ‘S’ facing the audience. Some staffer obviously didn’t do a very good job of positioning the podium.
Polls are invalid. Statistical Analysis is for random events. Liquid flow in a pipeline, Air flow over a co-axial turbine blade, Frequency distributions in a propagating wave, etc. etc. Humans ARE NOT random and you cannot apply random statistics to them. All they are good for is trend lines. That said the trend lines are not looking good for our boy Mitt. He is falling farther behind at a steady rate.
What interests me is the fact that every other day he walks into a political crisis that would sink any previous administration. Chinese hackers. Benghazigate ( Maybe Stevensgate would be better). Fast a Furious, part 2 (or is it 3?)
Any of the above would destroy any other administration.
Media is covering the Obomination. If Romney brings up any of the latest “gates”, it will be the first time many people have heard of them.
President Honey Bo-bo figures you can fool all the people all the time if they don’t know they are being fooled. He might be right.
Charlie Don’t surf.
You haven’t brought up anything that everyone in the US doesn’t know. The point is, a majoirty think Obama has done an okay job, and we know that he has dug us out of the hole that Dubya Bush and the republicans created. And, as a Massachusetts resident, I can tell you that we don’t need the kind of “leadership” that Romney delivered when he ran our state (number 3 in job creation under current democratic leadership, number 47 for 3 of the 4 years Romney ran us into the ditch). People simply like the Obama option better.
Come on, let’s be honest…MA under Romney had a 4.5% unemployment rate…don’t try to knock Romney for not making that even lower. If you want to blame MA problems on anybody why don’t you look to the 80% democrat legislature.
Statistical methods don’t apply to human populations? Utter rubbish. Ask any to actuary, political scientist, economist, sociologist, psychologist, pharmacologist, epidemiologist, medical doctor, evolutionary biologist.
I hope the author is right.
I’m amazed that it took three years to officially say “no” to the Keystone Pipeline. The STATE Dept turned it down – you’d have thought the tree-huggers a the EPA or the Dept of Energy would have been the culprits.
By the way, in roughly the same amount of time the Keystone plan was under review, the US entered WWII, tooled up and won the war in two theaters of operation.
For what it is worth, I lived in London during the Bush I-Clinton election of 1992. The bookies had the incumbent winning handily (my failure to take that bet still rankles). I don’t think the Brits truly appreciated the impact of the economy on voters’ choices.
I am also getting a little sick and tired of people in the mainstream media comparing the 2012 election to the 2008 election. Excuse me, but didn’t we have an election in 2010? Didn’t the Democrats suffer their worst defeat since the 1930s and wasn’t it a sound rebuke of Obama and all of his policies? And if people were angry over the economy and Obamacare in 2010, why would they be any less angry now? Especially when both the economy and the cost on Obamacare has only gotten worse over the past two years. And now that Obamacare is considered a tax by the Supreme Court, doesn’t that mean that the Democrats are now responsible for the largest tax increase in our nation’s history? So tell me, why would anybody think that people would be MORE willing to vote for Obama now than in 2010, when they wanted him out of office?
The mainstream media is wrong, as usual. Obama will lose because people just don’t like the job he is doing and they fear for the future of this country. Simple as that.
Do you really think that Romney can ride the 2010 Republican House takeover—the Democrats still held onto the Senate? Right now Congress is at a 10% approval rating—the lowest EVER for Congress, and namely falls upon the HOR. But go ahead and hang your hat on 2010.
LOL. It’s not unusual for the opposing party to take over the Congress during a sitting POTUS tenure, fact is the Republicans only got half of the Congress (HoR).
“…selected an astoundingly inappropriate running mate (much though I admire her personally), and generally ran the most anemic, unfocused campaign in recent memory.”
I disagree. His numbers jumped after picking Palin. He became the nominee partly due to a lot of hard work by Democrats who took advantage of the open primary states to cross lines to make sure he was the nominee. Also, for the same reasons, the main stream media played him up during the primaries, then turned against him in the general. His own positions, which were fairly liberal in many cases, made him a poor contrast to Obama. It was a choice between left and far-left.
I do agree though he ran an anemic and awful campaign. And unlike Romney, I don’t think he ever realized how biased and against him the media were. He thought they were his friends, or at least neutral. Romney seems to realize they play for his opposition.
Romney is not a campaigner. He will win easily. he is a doer. Obama is a campaigner and people are sick of him.
Is that the new spin you’re going with now? Since Romney is a lousy campaigner, let’s just say he’s not a campaigner but a “doer”. LOL. What has he done?
It’s laughable to say he’s not a campaigner when he’s been campaigning for 6 YEARS!
Win easily… ok.
Yeah, dream on. Obama has this election sewn up. Unless Romney can pull a rabbit out of his hat during the debates (really, during the first debate), its all over. And has anyone seen Romney debate? I still love that debate with Ted Kennedy where Romney came off looking like a furtive criminal.
Okay, Kellygirl,
The first debate is now over. What say you now, huh?
So, the author’s evidence for his conclusion that Romney will win big is, “Because I don’t like Obama’s record.”?
Makes sense to me.
Am just disappointed that you don’t welcome attack on your blog. How can you be attacking others and refuse to be attacked? If you want only people who say what you want to hear, sorry, you got it all wrong. I don’t I was going to hear a well reasoned out argument but ended up wasting my time…
Many commentators on the right often hammer Mr Obama for the jump in gasoline prices since he assumed office. I am fully in tune with almost any attack on Mr Obama and sincerely wish that he will need the services of a long haul truck in January but the price of gasoline is a non starter as an issue.When he took office we were (and the worlsd ) was in the throes of the worst economic crisis in 80 odd years. In fact oil prices peaked under George Bush, the son, at about $141 in July 2008 and bottomed at about $60 in February 2009 as the Great Recession exercised its icy grip.So the rebound in petrolem prices reflects that rebound ( however tepid) in the general economy as well as the (yes pusilannimous) rebound in employment.
The salient point is that to have kept petrolem prices as low as they were then is to suggest that we would have been better off remaining in a near Depression.
There are a myriad of reasons to return this guy to private life and I support most of those, but carping criticism of petrolem prices is misplaced.
Oil prices declines as soon as GW used executive orders to allow more drilling. And they went up as soon as Obama reversed those orders.
Supply and demand. Taught in every macro economics course in every University in the country.
I had thought this debate was settled after Reagn proved Carter (and Nixon) so dramatically wrong about strangling the energy industry back in their day.
There is no excuse in this day and age to blatantly lie in this manner when the information is so readily available at one’s fingertips with a simple type of a quesry “OIL DRILLING UNDER BUSH COMAPRED TO OBAMA”, in any search engine and then click on the mouse.
More oil has been drilled under Obama than under Bush. So much oil is being drilled that we’re EXPORTING IT! The price of gasoline is artificially inflated.
But carry on with the lies. It’s all you can do when you have nothing else.
I have two bets that Romeny will win. I will win a lunch from one and a bottle of Crown Royal Reserve from the other. The lunch bet also has a side bet that the Senate will go Republican netting me another lunch.
How about you bet and try to make some REAL MONEY. Go to INTRADE and place down some money. Right now they have the odd for Obama winning re-election at 71.0 to Romney’s 29.1.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Romney.
I fervently hope you are correct.
i ran an ad agency for most of my working life, so i have a pretty good handle on bad measurement with arbitron and nielson. while predicting human behavior in the future is fraught with error it must be done. assume the media is all lies all the time. assume every poll is pro-dem, not true, but assume. you still have these pro-dem polls repeating the same error over and over. the trend of these polls, particularly in battle ground states, is uniform and bad for us. i see 3 reasons. 1. the social right in primaries voted for people that had no chance of ever holding high office, newtie, li’l rick and bachmann. those votes eliminated actual fiscal conservatives like tpaw and hunstman both far more conservative than romney. 2. romney is a moderate running as a conservative which is dishonest and it shows every time he speaks. 3. the independent “deciders” see the republicans as a damaged brand, due not to house shenanigans, but due to the wing nuts in the social right and their 4 years of retarded babbling about birth certs, kenyans, muslims and the blue eyed jesus figure. that is a lot to correct in a few short weeks, adjust your portfolios accordingly. what amazes me is that daily i still get muslim conspiracy bologna daily in my inbox while the world financial system is in collapse and odumbo is throwing gas on it. i ask, what are you social righties on? put down the LSD and return to fiscal conservative normalcy please.
And just as many people if not more see the Democrats as left nut jobs who believe that only Government can solve our ills. They also demos as PC freaks who care more about the appearance of things than the actuality.
Good, very thought provoking post. I am curious about a couple of things. The official narrative is now presenting that polls in past elections (over decades) at this time in the cycle have been quite accurate about who finally gets elected, whether Democrat or Republican. Why would it be that different this cycle? The other recent part of the official narrative is that most of the pollsters, regardless of whether they personally lean R or D have a huge stake in being correct. How to respond to that one?
Absolutely no Obama activity in my town. Lots of signs for Art Robinson, (Conservative for Congress running against Defazio, D-Oregon4th) just a few for Mittens and zip for Obummer.
you live in springfield oregon, art can’t win, neither can romney, so they do not bother to post signs. duh.
Could be because Obama doesn’t need signs to win in Oregon. Same goes for Peter D. Your candidate has no chance here. Until the Oregon GOP dumps this tea party nonsense, they will not win over this NAV voter. We once had some great Republican leaders here in Oregon. They were moderates who could connect with people in a constructive way. The tea party Republicans get off on their own anger but they will never amount to much in this state.
Could be because Obama doesn’t need signs to win in Oregon. Same goes for Peter D. Your candidate has no chance here. Until the Oregon GOP dumps this tea party nonsense, they will not win over this NAV voter. We once had some great Republican leaders here in Oregon. They were moderates who could connect with people in a constructive way. The tea party Republicans get off on their own anger but they will never amount to much in this state.
#29 Stan S.
I rather suspect that if Mr. Kimball is wrong [in the matter of victory, not the one of degree] that electoral politics will be moot from that point on, and pundits will not be of great import. Time to swing for the fences.
Subotai Bahadur
Roger Kimball:
I believe you will be competing with Dick Morris for “most wrong” prediction on the 2012 Presidential election.
agreed.
I recently moved to the UK. When it comes to American politics the English public is woefully uninformed and for three reasons. One is that the occasional bit of news that seaps thruogh the noise is from the legacy/mainstream American media OR the liberal/progressive English choir(media).
The English are pathetically insular as could be seen from their horrid portrayal of their failed health system during the Opening Ceremony of the Olympics. They make no attemtp to really understand the rest of the world and wallow in this insularity.
Thirdly: The English unlike the Americans do not understand the concept of freedom. From the days of the American Revolution those who stayed back in the UK simple acquiesed to being ruled by an elitist class. It is no different today. The mass of English simple bow down to their elite liberal/progressive class that are destroying the UK and turned it into a failed socialist country only being kept afloat by tourisn and the hundreds of thousands that move there every year.
Well said.
What I cannot understand is the continuing poll counts that seem to show a tie between Romney and the other guy. Are there that many idiots in the nation? Or are the polls and the media colluding to foster a movement towards the other guy? This time out being black, or at least half-black, is no excuse for either the current sorry state of the union, or for the necessity of voting for more of the same.
Most people assign the “sorry state of the union” to the Republican Party. This election has nothing to do with Obama or Romney — it’s become a referendum on the Republicans. Who should be permanently exiled.
Ok please read this from Nate Silver: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/poll-averages-have-no-history-of-consistent-partisan-bias/
First of all, it’s simply not true to say that most pollsters are polling registered and not likely voters. Very few haven’t switched over to likely voters, at least not for the state polls, which really matter than the national polls anyway.
The polls don’t say what y’all want to say, but “don’t believe the polls” is the constant refrain of the losing side. See the Democrats in 2004 and 2010 and the GOP in 2008.
I’m from Los Angeles myself and saw a couple of Obama ads on television. I thought that was very interesting – why in the heck are there Obama ads in Los Angeles! Goes to show you that polls are inaccurate.
PJ said nothing in that article that convinces me that Romney will win the election. It will take a lot more than just cheerleading from Romney’s supporters to win.
Pass out flyers the weekend prior to the election stating that anyone showing up to vote will be subject to a drug screening.
Romney beats Obama 95% to 5%.
Will they be testing for METH? You do know that the drug of choice for those red state inbred redneck hillbillys. If that’s the case, then Obama can win the South… nevermind. Flyers wouldn’t work… those inbreds can’t read nohow.
Pigs will certainly fly in November!
I live in California, which indeed will give its electoral votes to Obama. So will, I think, most states. Everything Mr. Kimball says about Obama’s record is true, but I think he underestimates how little respect Romney has. It wasn’t just the 47% remark. The man has been unable to enunciate a coherent policy, whether foreign or domestic. This very well may end up as one of those “devil I know” elections, with the voters sticking with Obama because Romney not only hasn’t made a strong case against him but has had trouble making a strong case for himself.
I’m not surprised they were incredulous. They were probably thinking have we paid money for this guy to spout this nonsense.
Romney to win big?? What a joke! Obama will win in a landslide! He will win all his 2008 states, except Indiana!
Even with the stunningly inaccurate and misleading poll, Romney is doing excellent. By this time in 2004 campaign (early October 2004) Bush was ahead by between 6 and 8 points (he won by 2); Obama is ahead by between 2 and 3.
So Obama is running 4 to 5 points worse than Bush. If everything turns out in a similar manner Obama will lose by 2 or 3 points.
Which is what will happen. Mitt Romney was, yet again, absolutely correct that 47% of Americans are lost to Republicans (and him) this cycle. They depend on government for hand-outs and Obama promised them more (a lot more) of those.
What Romney did not add, because that was not the subject of discussion, was that there is another 47%; who work hard, provide for themselves, pay taxes, contribute to the common cause. They are equally lost to Demokrats and Obama.
So all this election is about, all it was ever about are the 6% who do not belong to either 47. And it looks like they will swing massively for Romney.
This must be the silliest article I have ever read. Almost every single one of your “facts” is wrong. You are wrong about basically all your complaints about the polls beyond the general “polls are imprecise.” You are clearly suffering from ODS in a major way, as no one would say he’s the most left wing or the most incompetent president in American history. Not even close on either count. Your rant about energy prices is near incoherent, and anyone with an ounce of knowledge or coherence admits that the Keystone pipeline wouldn’t have any appreciable effect on gas prices. In sum your article is why PJmedia is the laughingstock it is.
Come on…Romney had a chance way back when to win this election. He lost it by making several big mistakes. I, for one, was prepared to give him a chance because I never thought Obama was qualified to be president. Then came the Republican Primary with just about every nut and bolt trying to get the nomination. Romey, who at one time seemed somewhat liberal, presents himself as one of the right wingers who want to send woman, civil rights, and government support back to the Dark Ages. What Obama has done, started by G. Bush Jr., is keep us from having a catastrophic global economic collapse. Bailouts saved us. Deficit spending, for reasons I don’t understand, stimulate the economy. Check out historically that Sweden which went into major defect spending during the Great Depression was the first county to come out of the Depression. FDR moved us into a second Depression in 1936 because he was so intent on maintaining a balanced budget. It wasn’t WW II that got us out of the Depression; it was the deficit spending that we engaged in so we could produce war materials. Romney lost this election because he decided to cater to the right wing of his party…Forget the wishful thinking that this is going to be a big win for Romney…
Talk about “more the product of hope than the evidence of fact”.
I ask only one thing of the many posters. On November 7, come back and read what you wrote here. Think about it. Ask yourself if you were simply delusional, in denial or simply so angry that saying what you knew to be false felt better than being honest.
I have another bet; none of you will do so.
Oh, and Roger, better pick a restaurant that serves crow.
Billy Shakespeare said: “There is a divinity that shapes our ends, Rough-hew them how we will.” I submit that there are forces and entities in operation to preserve our Republic which have not been summoned or petitioned for decades.
“GOD IS IN THE GAME”. After a perilous period of political unconcern, a majority of American voters are “getting” the importance of November 6. Furthermore, they perceive that without the God of Our Fathers, we are doomed. (If the entitlement generation of kids, Julia, et. al, choose not to participate in re-enthrowning their former God, that’s all to the good.)
So, with a much needed impetus of peril not only to our freedoms but our very existence, WE NOW CALL UPON THAT BEING WHO FIRST CREATED THIS NATION AND THEN PRESERVED IT THROUGH HARDSHIPS UNBEARABLE. Americans are remembering God (in diverse forms and with inconsistent creeds, but with a fervency and a tolerance for others’ beliefs which has been long overdue).
SO, things unexpected start happening, and the POLITICAL GAME HAS CHANGED OVERNIGHT:
* The Benghazi horror, JUST ONE OF MANY “LIVE; PRIME TIME; LIVING COLOR” events, compels our countrymen to begin to “get it”–WE EITHER ELECT THOSE WHO WILL PROTECT OUR LIVES, OUR FREEDOMS, AND OUR REPUBLIC OR WE LOSE THEM ALL.
* Seeing masses of mindless jihadists chanting “death to America”, while buring our flag, and killing our soldiers, SEEMS TO BE FULFILLING THE QUOTE OF SAMUEL JOHNSON IN REVOLUTIONARY TIMES: “When a man knows he is to be hanged…it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”
* THEN, THE COVER UPS; THE PATENT FRAUDS; THE BACK AND FORTH DENIALS AND ADMISSIONS AND CONFESSIONS AND THE “FALLING ON THE SWORD” by DNI, CIA, Sec. State, etc. ARE ALL THINGS WHICH THE CONSERVATIVES DID NOT ARRANGE NOR DID THE PROGRESSIVES FORESEE!
* The point is: BO’s economic disasters; his devisive policies; his innumerable lies, frauds, and conspiracies were all GOOD AND SUFFICIENT REASONS TO VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE. BUT, NOW, JUST NOW, JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME, COMES A “SERIES OF FOCUSING EVENTS” WHICH ARE NOT MERELY PROVIDENTIAL, BUT OF DIVINE STATURE. [God did not want His Libyan children to run rampant, but since they exercised their free will to do so, he uses their sins for his purposes--HE IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD AT THAT KIND OF THING. The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is full of inspiring examples of Divine superiority.]
God is in the game. He will not allow the socialists/progressives/communists to destroy the land created and saved by HIS HAND, SO LONG AS ENOUGH OF HIS PEOPLE (and that includes all of us)CONFESS OUR NEED FOR HIS PROTECTION; HUMBLE OURSELVES; RENEW OUR PLEDGE TO THE “RULE OF LAW” AND PLEAD FOR HEAVEN’S SUPPORT.
I heartily concur: ROMNEY & RYAN WIN BIG–IN JUST A FEW WEEKS. SO CLOSE NOW!
God does not care who wins the election. As Jesus said quite clearly “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s”. Governments on earth belong to Caesar. This is why the social conservatives are bringing down the Republican Party. They can’t keep themselves from mixing government and religion. Thus guaranteeing they will screw up both concerns.
Forgot to also mention God doesn’t care who wins the football or basketball game, automobile race, Grammy, Oscar, lottery, or card game. He doesn’t throw some kids in front of moving cars and keep other kids on the sidewalk. He doesn’t condemn some people to die an agonizing cancer death and others to die in their sleep at 92 after a beautiful day at the beach. He gave us free will and we are supposed to exercise it. We live in a broken world subject to the randomness of chaos. We need to follow his plan as best we can. We need to ask for strength and guidance to discern the right way to live. But until he comes again, don’t expect he’s going to step in and get involved in something so small and temporal as a US presidential election.
Forgot to also mention that the line of reasoning articulated by BABY GLOCK is one factor which drives my Jewish friends into the arms of the Democrat party.
Why are Conservatives so caught up Polls. So your losing in the polls that means little. Do you think Democrates are really declaring victory before before the game is played. You know polls don’t actually count as votes right?
And what’s with this article, do you think you sound smarter by trying to use lots and lots of smart words to articulate a very simple message. The same message ever conservative is blasting right now. No substance, just a bunch off bla bla socialist ranting. You should probably wake up and realize the rest of America is not so fear injected and all this bla is unappealing. Maybe talk about policy a little, maybe a little facts and economic analysis. Substance! It’s why those polls are not lieing and it’s why you are going to lose!
This piece is pure fiction, or if not that, complete delusion. I am an American living in England. Those Brits watching the US election are doing so with some detachment, and a measure of amusement, as usual.
Imagining that Romney is seen (by Brits) as anything but a bumbling robber-baron at best, is very far fetched. Even the most conservative UK media (both socially and politically) have nothing flattering to say about Mitt Romney.
I think the author has hit the nail on the head. The American public knows how they’re going to vote pundits and polls be damned.
So long as the polls show Obama winning, the economy will stay in the tank which helps Romney. The CBO and Time Magazine BOTH say we’re in the first quarter of Obama’s Second Recession. So much for the validity of “Obamanomics” (aka “crony socialism” and/or “trickle up poverty”).
I’ve seen a drop in my sales of 25% in August and 50% in September so I’m thinking Americans are voting with their wallets. Hope we see the same come election day.
yeah what’s with that super liberal fox news and their poll showing Obama up 5 points? Must be a bunch of communists over at fox news, presumably. And that Rasmussen guy, a liberal in disguise too. Must be, because he’s been showing Obama in the lead for a while now.
Anyway, who needs polling and “statistics” when we’ve got anecdotal reports from a bunch of people going door to door in a few neighborhoods across the country? Give me the anecdotal stuff over the statistics any day of the week.
I think you’re all in for a painful surprise, but I guess we’ll find out in a month or so.
The comment about white voters is spot on. This is like one of those elections in the South. It will all depend on white versus black/hispanic turnout. Polls are being adjusted based on racial demographics which will not be repeated in 2012 and indeed are wishful thinking, since it is unlikely that minorities will turn out in the numbers predicted (simply look at massively decreased registration in Cuyahoga County (downtown Cleveland) to get a sense of how low the minority turnout will be this time. Nobody wants to talk about this (since it’s politically incorrect) but that’s the real elephant in the room.
Alas, the white race for all of its superiority does not breed well. So there are many more minority voters (proportionately) than in 2008.
I stopped at incompetent as it was a reference to our President. I am sure the writer is the one incompetent
this dismissive attitude of polling is common with Romneyphiles. but just in case you want to consider a few presidential facts, here are some to consider.
first of all, it is quite rare for the contest to turn this late. the person who is leading with 5 weeks to go generally wins.
second, the states determine presidents here, not the national mood, national economy, etc- and some of the states are doing fairly well. as a result, Obama has a 5% lead or more in states which garner 275 electoral votes, and the lead is increasing. this is not just the media repeating stuff, this is actual polling, from actual pollsters: the same ones that called the midterm elections within 0.6%
in short, i think you are underestimating the strength of Obama’s position. but i can sympathize. i felt precisely the same as you did when Bush was running against Kerry in 2004. how could they possible re-elect a failure like Bush????
just you watch.
Roger wrote this same column four years ago on this very same website, and is still as wrong as he ever was. Amazingly he still gets paid for his insights:
Roger Kimball, Aug. 28th, 2008:
“Personally, I think John McCain is going to win, and I’m not talking about a hanging-chad squeakeroo. No, I think it will be a blow-out for McCain. He won’t take the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, of course, or New York, Vermont, and the half a dozen other reliable left-liberal bastions of incipient socialism. But, absent some serious mis-steps on the part of the McCain campaign, Obama will, I predict, not only lose, but lose big.
This is not a popular opinion on the Right. (Though, curiously, it is a possibility that seems to be making unhappy inroads among Democrats.) Many of my friends have glumly accepted the prospect of Obama’s victory as an historical inevitability. I think they are precipitant. First of all, nothing is historically inevitable except the unpredictable. But, second, and more to the point, Obama is an extraordinarily weak candidate, a fact that the media’s love affair with him can only partially conceal.”
Thanks Bob for the history. This is my first time on this site and I really like knowing the past history of the prognosticators.
Thanks Roger. I needed a break from all the crying I’ve been doing. I certainly hope you’re right.
EB
Yes, yes it’s the liberal media propagating the re-election myth for Obama and not general public sentiment and outrage at the antics of your anointed one. The one, coincidentally that you kept trying to oust with really strong candidates like Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, and Newt Gingrich? Laughable. And you are left with Mitt. No wonder you are angry and bitter. In all likelihood, he also cost you the majority in the senate. No time to start saying no like the present. Let’s stymie the political process for another four years and then blame it on the Democrats again.
Obama’s first 2 years in office was with a Democratic Congress and he got NOT one
thing done! Our country, as we once knew it, is gone! Do you REALLY feel better
off NOW, than 4 years ago?!! MY God! We must all wake up, get rid of the current, sad, state of affairs in Washington, and get back to what we once had!
A country we were PROUD of, hard-working Americans who HAD a job to go to, we
are so PROUD of our Military, but this terrible person in office, wants to cut
funding, and willing to SELL OUR COUNTRY OFF TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER! Be AFRAID!!
BE VERY AFRAID! if Obama wins this election! This was a well-written and honest
article by Roger Kimball. Why is it we NEVER want to hear the truth!?
Google 111th Congress. Read Wikipedia article. Few Presidents in history have accomplished as much as Obama in 2009 and 2010. Perhaps none.
I live in a “red” state that rarely votes for a Democrat. However, regardless of how one might wish to spin the numbers the reason Romney will lose come November is that he is an awful candidate with nothing to offer, but his record which of course he isn’t running on.
In the last six days eight polls have been put out and all but one, Gallup, sample LV. Not a single pollster has Romney ahead and this includes the most recent Rasmussen poll which Fox News loves to use even though their own polling has President Obama up by five and outside the margin of error.
Of course it could be “over-sampling” of Democrats; using the 2008 model or those pollsters just don’t get it (I guess Rasmussen forgot to toe the line this time, oops).
One thing I would have to agree upon is that polls really do not matter. People do matter and enthusiasm for a candidate may very well determine who wins.
All that enthusiasm seems to be dying out for Romney, however, as Republican intellectuals (is that an oxymoron; Republican intellectuals ?) have begun to sling mud at their candidate for his continued lackluster performance and goofs.
So what’s left for Romney? He can hope for a miracle tomorrow in the debate, but that rarely happens. He can hope for a major miscue by President Obama, but with Romney’s record it’s as likely that he will be the one that flounders, once again, and puts his much worn foot in his own mouth.
Nope, there isn’t much hope except maybe to blame MSM for all your woes as Paul Ryan recently did, again. Of course wiser conservatives, i.e., Bill Kristol, have said that that strategy is a losing one and I tend to agree.
Let’s face it, the electoral map, and the math, doesn’t work for Romney anymore than his plan (if he actually had a real one) to cure all the perceived ills that President Obama has put upon us. We all know that all the problems this country faces is his fault. Can’t any of it be the former president’s or the lowest rated House in history. Can’t be the financial meltdown…
I will vote for President Obama even though there isn’t a chance at all that he will carry my state. I should stay at home. Nah, ain’t going to do that no more than any of those other overconfident, no need to vote Democrats who are being taken by all those wrong pollsters.
I’m one of those 47@ers who worked all my life; retired; and living off my pension and Social Security.
After the elections I’m sure I will be busy. Consoling heartbroken conservative friends in a very red state can be very time-consuming.
You will be sorely surprised my friend. I am here in southern Ohio and we started early voting today which is where the mooches, ie, dems, come out to vote early. It was WAY down in numbers. There is no enthusiasm for the socialist.
Southern Ohio-Northern KKKentucy… Redneck-Inbred-Hillbilly country, generally vote Republican, with the exception of Cincinatti and Dayton which is more urban. Nothing new hear.
Well considered comments. Thanks for writing.
I hope your pension is big, because when Obama gets done with social security or should I say the renamed version, Obama security and has redistributed it through his redistribution of wealth program to the unemployed youth whom the democrats will need to vote for them in the future, not only will you be to old for obamacare to matter for you, there will be no funds to support you.
Wishful thinking? Optimism Bias? Valence Effect? Call it what you may, there are indeed folks taking bets.
Consider betting for Obama. That way, when he wins, you at least make $100 bucks. And, if Romney wins cuz President Obama is caught sleeping with a gay soldier during a Hollywood Fundraiser, the $100 buck cost for a victory is one easily tolerated.
A win / win really… What’s not to like?
What a ridiculous echo chamber in these comments! This article is so full of it I’m surprised it stands up on the computer screen! I would love to join you at your losing lunch after the election as President Obama will indeed secure a second term and continue his work of preserving this great nation from eternal damnation at the hands of the GOP. Polls may not matter—but votes do!
Such an eloquent way of stating, we picked a looser candidate, and WHOA, we are loosing, the polls, they are always wrong, except they have been right except twice since 1960 and they get better as our technology helps us model past big data and run scenarios never possible in 1980. Such a great way of saying, Romney is loosing.
Romney will win and Roger will get his nice lunch! Win-win!
The fact that Romney & Ryan are both lying, incompetent fools apparently has no bearing on your “wish” for them to win the election. The American people are not buying what they are selling and it’s more of the same that almost sent America over the cliff. BTW – MOST Americans do not agree with you! Polls be damned as you would say!
You mean lying like the Libya killings were because of a movie, or unemployment will never go above 8%, or I will reduce the deficit in half in my first term. There are many, many more lies from the socialist. You should look into his Marxist upbringing, Frank Marshall Davis.
Self-delusion is a Republican gene dysfunction. I look forward to your apology in November 7th, when Romney will go back to one of his many homes to lick his wounds.
Mr. Kimball shows his disdain for the ‘fragile’ polls, but he doesn’t the mention that the Republican’s internal polls reflect the same numbers. That’s why it’s the ‘commitariat’ claiming the polls are somehow inaccurate and not the Romney campaign itself.
Mr. Kimball may not like Democratic policies, but mentioning Nuremburg in the same sentence with any US president is simply unpatriotic and wrong.
Wow. Found this ‘article’ via RCP. RCP must be desperate for material. I’ll just pick one silly point from this silly article, web rambling or whatever it is. Fundraising (ref 6th paragraph that begins with fundraising and ends with ‘Muslim hostility’ and a very odd reference to Nuremberg.) Yes, Obama raised crazy money four years ago and the they are probably on track to raise 2-1 over Romney. But regardless, has the author been in a coma? The money game has changed significantly over the last four years. And at this stage of the game, we’re talking about TV and media and marketing bucks – if the campaign infrastructure isn’t in place by now, they are done. Cooked. And even if Romney had 10x the cash, which he doesn’t, and saturated the airwaves with ads, all he can do at this point is more damage. Old people and complete idiots are the only slice of the constituency that watches those absurd ads. That is people too old or too stupid to know about DVR’s. And they’ve already made up their minds. So all he can do is piss off the tiny slice of the demographic that is too stupid or too full of pooh to have made up their minds by now. And he should ask his freakish girl friend Meg Whitman how that goes and I’m pretty sure he knows it.
wow!! Haven’t seen this much squealing from the demopig/soros crowd in a while. . . . .are you guys a little desperate, or just so confident ? I know this- if the “o” is re-elected, I will do everything in my power to fight against his destruction of our country- and if some of your heads get broken in the process, so be it.
Don’t forget your helmet.
How does this guy get paid for writing such drivel for the faithful? When will all of the believers realize that it is electoral votes that count, not popular votes, not yard signs, not bumper stickers nor your friends’ and acquaintances’ opinions. Polls earn their trust (and their fees) by being correct. Even Raz corrects his biased numbers the week before the election. All the polls show that it is close with Obama slightly ahead, but the Electoral College vote is a landslide against Mitt. As has been said, I can’t wait to read this site on November 7th, Stick a fork in him folks, it’s over.
Romney is getting clobbered in Ohio and Wisconsin, and trailing in Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Virginia, Nevada and Colorado. All of these states are either leaning Obama or likely Obama. National polls are certainly tightening but they’ve been remarkably behind the curve this election season. Even if Romney wins, it won’t be “big.” He needs at least 60% of the white vote and perhaps a 15-20% edge among seniors, which isn’t happening. Obama is either tied or leading among seniors, and both college-educated and non-college educated white females are generally breaking for the president. Obama will win reelection based on a superior ground game and better messaging.
Dear effect snobs, reactionaries and coupon clippers: Dream on. Don’t forget to vote — not that your vote will matter.
Roger, I’m with you regarding the outcome. I think Romney will win big or should if not for anticipated fraud. In fact, I firmly believe the pro O narrative is and will be used to challenge Romney’s victory. Just you wait, they will use all the fraudulent polling to question his victory. Never underestimate an Alinsky protege. Paranoid? Yes, and justifiably so. He is the ultimate Manchurian candidate.
I love this article and the conservative response to the polls. It does not seem implausible to the GOP base that EVERY SINGLE POLLSTER, excluding the godly Rasmussen, would oversample Democrats in their desire to be partisan to their Dear Leader in the White House. No, it is actually MORE LIKELY for the GOP base to believe, and it is a belief after all, that the entire mainstream media apparatus and their polling outfits hate Republicans so much that they would willfully commit to the conspiracy to demoralize the real Americans that vote GOP from voting. This is not a surprise, given the influence of the religious right in the party’s base, and the hatred President Obama inspires in them. I fear that the GOP base is about to experience a real disillusionment on Nov 7, when they may have to figure out exactly why their hated Barack Hussein Obama is back in the White House, winning almost all the states that he won in 2008. It was tough for true communist believers when their beloved USSR disintegrated in 1991. But acceptance is the first step to redemption. That time hasn’t arrived yet for the GOP. It needs to happen if the Republicans want to get to the Presidency anytime soon.
actually it is about SE Ohio, central Florida and Northern Virginia.
Sorry my leftist friends. Wishing your turn at bat would last forever isn’t going to make it so.
Obama has given us the most failed, divisive, and disastrous Presidency since at least the start of the Great Depression, and likely in all of U.S. history. UNEMPLOYMENT and DEBT at record levels, and getting worse. Yet Obama’s Poodle media plays with polls and seems divided between those telling us Obama has won and its all over, and those telling us its almost over. I think the Poodle media is desperate to try and save the Obama Presidency even though it would mean the permanent decline of our nation. So I’m good if they all want to believe their slanted polls and story lines. If you support Obama its all over. Just stay Home Nov 6th and watch it on TV. No reason to stand in line. On the other hand if don’t intend to vote for Obama go to the polls and try and make it respectable even knowing that the Poodle media says its over. Just for the heck of it!
I almost hate to point out the 60-odd House seats that were won by the GOP in 2010. Why does nobody think that matters in 2012?
Maybe because right now, Congress enjoys a 10% approval rating—the lowest approval rating in history—and the HOR is ran by Republicans.
there is nothing wrong with not liking somebody…you don’t like the president, fine…But is that enough reason to start making things up?, demonizing the commander in Chief of USA and selling out to foreigners?
this new patriotism rapped in off-shore hidden accounts and tax break for the top 1% was the kind of arrogant and narcissistic attitude from the forefather of your dinner guest that created the idea called America.
there is nothing wrong predicting election one way or the other, but in doing so one must not be naive and small.
I hope you’re right, Roger. However, it’s not the candidates we should fear, it’s the electorate; I wonder whether the ‘Obama phone’ lady recognizes that she’s cut of the same cloth as those Arabs we see screaming their displeasure in the Middle East – greedy and ill-informed. The only difference is that her vote actually matters.
Can I be invited to one of those dinner parties? I’m an expat resident in London, for my sins, and encounter nothing but mindless leftoid drivel.
“Politically mature” means hating and fearing Obama? Unbelievably offensive. I don’t know who this guy is, but I highly doubt he’ll put his money where his useless and offensive mouth is, and take an even bet on his stupid prediction, which he bases, essentially, on the fact that times are bad and he doesn’t like Obama.
The fact that this man can write complete sentences does not qualify him to be a pundit, except perhaps in his own mind. Full of himself, probably, to the point where there’s money to be made off him.
Put up or shut up, twerp. Say, ten thousand bucks?
I think someone above said something about the Electoral College vote in California going for Obama, Liberal Bastion that it is, unless I misread his comment, while the Popular Vote may not.
This is what scares me. The Electoral College seems to remain the Great Decider……..
Another Bush/Gore recount seems to be in the offing……but I want Roger Kimball to be correct.
“I think someone above said something about the Electoral College vote in California going for Obama, Liberal Bastion that it is, unless I misread his comment, while the Popular Vote may not. ”
Considering that California is ~2/3 Democratic, I really doubt it.
Honestly, among the few immigrants I know *here* the ones from UK seem to have the least use for the first or second amendments and are generally the most media-brainwashed.
One would hope for better.
Polls institutes are Lies Factories.They work according to MSM brainwashing plan.In all democratic, advanced countries, the same scenario has replicated.The left of center is the champion, the gracious, the nice-gentle-bright guy who takes care of the underdog and therefore desserve a comfortable 5% advance against the caveman-machist-brutal conservative who works for the exclusive benefit of the filthy rich.Then comes the vote and the margin is 0,5% to 1,5%.Anyway this vote will be decided by the independants.And Romney should concentrate on them who are the paying suckers of the Obama grandiose deficit-for-ever policy.
I agree with Roger. Is there anybody who voted for McCain that will vote for the Fraud this time? Not likely. Romney will get every McCain voter. And Romney will get million of wishy washy conservatives/republicans who sat out last time. Same for independents.
What about obama? He has been such a disaster that there are millions who voted for him last time who will sit out this time. And maybe millions who will switch. That goes across all demographics. He will underperform 2008 in every category. It’s inevitable.
The only questions are: will it be enough and will the criminals be able to overcome the trend in the most important states, particularly Ohio. Well, the numbers will almost certainly be enough, probably far more than enough. So that leaves voter fraud. That is the biggest problem. And that make John Kasich the most important person in the world right now. MY prayer is that Mr. Kasich accepts his responsibility and that he has enough power to limit the voter fraud in Ohio in every way that he can.
The disclaimer, of course, is how far the Criminals are willing to go. If they think they will lose, they will be willing to bomb Iran, start race riots, stage an assassination attempt, and probably hundreds of other things no honest person could conceive of. If they are willing to accuse Mitt Romney of murder and willing to bury the assassination of a US ambassador, there is nothing they aren’t willing to do.
Whether I might agree with this writer’s sentiments or not- and I do agree with them, I find his prose to be pure poetry. This is a man who has an intimate relationship with the English language, the likes of which is rarely seen today. I found myself pouring over his style for the sheer joy of “hearing” a master play the instrument that is the English language.
Obama by 5.
At least if not higher.