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President Carrington

June 15th, 2014 - 2:35 am

Although men of the left profess a certain admiration for the spontaneous, unspoiled qualities of third world men, there is one iron rule they always observe. Never take them at their word. If for instance they say, “Islam will rule the world,” why, it must be a joke. If a third world regime declares it is acquiring nuclear weapons to conjure the return to earth of the 12th Imam the same rule applies. Believe them in all things, such as for example any complaint or accusation they might have against America, but disbelieve them in any threat they might make against you.

Thus when the current leader of the al-Qaeda affiliated group now advancing on Baghdad,  Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, told his captors on release from US custody in 2009 that “I’ll see you in New York”, it was taken as a joke.

You don’t suppose he means it? Nah, all the experts say they never mean these things.

This desire to make childlike persons in colorful exotic costumes seem at once better and less than human is a curious attitude that Snopes unintentionally highlights in Barack Obama while attempting to debunk various quotes inaccurately attributed to him. Snopes only succeeds in depicting a man determined to be like the Other. For example here is Obama warning against the possible persecution of Arabs and Pakistanis, ostensibly because that’s the sort of thing Franklin Roosevelt — oops — that Americans do.

In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

It’s not a new attitude, but an old one, this reflexive identification with the exotic and the alien.

As long ago as 1951, Howard Hawk’s horror movie The Thing featured a character loosely modeled on Soviet sympathizers during the Cold War. The character’s name was Dr. Arthur Carrington.  Carrington was the best educated man on the base. Nobel Prize material. And as such he believed he was above it all.

“Carrington” is the archetypical out-of-touch “man of science” in sharp contrast to the ever-practical military man in Tobey’s “Captain Hendry” and a large part of the suspense comes as Carrington torpedoes Hendry’s efforts to protect the base personnel. Carrington’s agenda is to sacrifice his vulnerable friends and co-workers to protect the vicious alien predator for the sake of “science”. What better characterization could we have for the modern Left verses Right culture war that will dictate the fate of America!

At one point in the movie, CPT Hendry is forced to investigate a room on the base where Carrington basically set up his friends to be slaughtered by the Thing. He finds that two of Carrington’s co-workers were killed and cut open for the sake of their blood (which was feeding the alien’s vegetable progeny). Amazingly, Carrington tries to defend his behavior! The debate between Hendry and Carrington proceeds for only a few seconds until Hendry simply says, “Bob” and Hendry’s NCO crew chief (played by Dewey Martin) steps into the face of Carrington with his M2 Carbine (an automatic version of the popular WWII weapon) and says quietly, “Doctor, you better move along.”

The finest portrait of Arthur Carrington comes at the end, when The Thing breaks into the last refuge of the humans, protected by a single, electric defense. Carrington of course, sabotages the generator powering the circuit, all the while babbling on about how bigoted and narrow minded the survivors were. He tells the survivors that their lives are not worth the fine creature clomping down the hallway.

“Keep away. Keep away. I won’t allow you to destroy …”

But he is overpowered, gently of course, and left unrestrained because he has his rights. Readers will by now recognize my familiar stock character from Dinosaur Island, who removes the firing pins from all Weatherby .460s of the exploration party because he’s so convinced that T-Rexes are gentle creatures. It’s Dr. Arthur Carrington, who is certain that monsters from outer space may menace and kill many, like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but you see, they don’t really mean it.

They don’t really mean it is a kind of denial of volition in that which Carrington professes to admire. Third world humans are regarded by leftists like dinosaurs on lost islands: authentic in all but reality. In this last property they are held to be defined by the beholder’s fantasy. In the final minutes of movie, Dr. Arthur Carrington breaks forward again and attempts to warn The Thing about the trap waiting for him.

“Listen, I’m your friend. Look I have no weapons.”

“You’re wiser than I, you must understand.”

“Don’t go any further, they’ll kill you.”

This “look I have no weapons” scenario is repeatedly re-enacted in politics today. For example, when Putin was dismembering the Ukraine, the president took care to rule out military force before he even decided what to do. Similarly, the first thing Obama said on learning that al-Qaeda was invading Iraq was to rule out the use of ground troops.  While he might be right to avoid both these courses of action, the value of pre-emptively renouncing your most potent options is doubtful.  Would you for example, declare to a home invader, advancing with a beheading knife:

“I want you to understand that I won’t shoot you. In fact my gun isn’t loaded. For that matter, I’ve blocked up the hammer channel with chewing gum. However I am considering other options to make you stop.”

“Like what?”

“I may decide to scream and exhibit my indignation.  And if you push me too far I’ll write you a letter.”

It’s fortunate for the human survivors that The Thing chooses this moment to twitch aside Carrington like an insignificant piece of meat before he can spill the beans. In some sense The Thing sees Carrington more accurately than he sees himself. Carrington sees himself as a god, for when he says, “you’re wiser than I, you must understand,” what he really means is that “I am wiser than you, Thing. I know what you will do.”

Of course The Thing has his own point of view, which Carrington learns to his cost. But he is nothing deterred. One feels sure that could the character but rise from the floor without the assistance of his shattered limbs, the Doctor would again go straightaway to the aid of The Thing.

This surprise at the inability to respond to empathy was in evidence in the Bergdahl case. According to NBC news when the Taliban commanders found Bowe Bergdahl he was cursing his countrymen. If he thought that would win him any points, he found like Carrington that it elicited no sympathy with the Taliban at all. Subsequent reports say the Taliban clapped him irons and tortured him mercilessly, locking him in a metal cage in total darkness for weeks at a time.

Was he surprised? Did he expect they would be impressed by those phrases he learned? He probably expected a different welcome. Maybe there’s a moral in there somewhere, though I leave the reader to determine what it is.  Then there was the famous Robert Fisk, who sought to befriend the Afghan tribesmen and was thrashed within an inch of his life for his trouble. His conclusion? Fisk would have joined in beating himself up if only he could physically manage it.

They started by shaking hands. We said “Salaam aleikum” — peace be upon you — then the first pebbles flew past my face. A small boy tried to grab my bag. Then another. Then someone punched me in the back. Then young men broke my glasses, began smashing stones into my face and head. I couldn’t see for the blood pouring down my forehead and swamping my eyes. And even then, I understood. I couldn’t blame them for what they were doing. In fact, if I were the Afghan refugees of Kila Abdullah, close to the Afghan-Pakistan border, I would have done just the same to Robert Fisk. Or any other Westerner I could find.

It was the bag they were after, Fiskie.  You were just holding it. If you’re so keen on beating yourself, next time try setting your hair on fire and putting it out with a hammer.

I would have beaten myself

I would have beaten myself

If anyone doubts that real Dr. Carringtons exist in the world , one need only recall the curious case of the Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis in Iraq, 2005.  It was about a bunch of nitwits, who like our Greenies on Dinosaur Island, decided to approach the T-rexes with bouquets of flowers.

The hostages were members of CPT’s Iraq project, which began working in 2002, before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Their goal is to document and publicize abuses of human rights occurring in the country, especially in relation to detainees, and to advocate for peaceful solutions to conflict.

But if it was their plan to document the vileness of US imperialism the plan soon went seriously wrong.

The four had planned to visit the Muslim Clerics Association, an influential group of Sunni religious leaders formed in 2003 after the collapse of the former regime. They were about 100 metres from the entrance to the mosque where the meeting was to take place when they were abducted. Their driver and translator were not taken. …

On March 10, the body of Tom Fox was found atop a garbage dump in Baghdad, killed by gunshot wounds to the head and chest. The hands of the corpse were bound together. CNN reported that Iraqi policemen claimed Fox’s body showed signs of torture. [though this could not be independently verified]

Upon Fox’s death the CPT released a statement of condolences, also asking that the world not “vilify or demonize others, no matter what they have done.” They quoted Fox himself, saying, “We reject violence to punish anyone … We forgive those who consider us their enemies.”

On March 23, 2006, the three surviving hostages were finally rescued “by elements of ‘Task Force Black’ – the UK element from the joint special operations task group known as Task Force 88 … supported by ‘Task Force Maroon’, a support unit made up of British paratroopers and marines. Joint Task Force 2, The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Canadian Security Intelligence Service were also involved.”. The “Christian Peacekeepers” appeared to have little charity for their rescuers.

CPT and the victims were criticized for their reluctance to thank the troops who freed them. Following the release of the hostages, CPT’s initial statement omitted any expression of gratitude toward the soldiers involved, but issued such a statement 12 hours later, with their gratitude that no shots were fired during the mission. General Sir Mike Jackson, Commander of the British Army, told British Channel 4 news he was “saddened that there does not seem to have been a note of gratitude [from Mr. Kember] for the soldiers who risked their lives to save those lives”. James Loney and Norman Kember later publicly thanked the soldiers for rescuing them. Harmeet Sooden issued a statement thanking the soldiers for saving him as well.

If they felt any real gratitude it did not extend to a willingness to testify against their abductors. “The ex-hostages also said that if they did testify, it would likely be only to plea for clemency on behalf of their captors.” Thus the CPT abductors, like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, were free to kill again, which doubtless they have done, though one wonders if it bothers the consciences of these splendid gentlemen in the slightest.

Probably not. They possess a kind of supreme moral vanity which lifts them high above the plane of mortal men. In their ideal world they are legends in their own minds, fighting a lonely battle against the Man, who if not pre-emptively stopped, will sin again, against Marx, Engels and Patrice Lumumba. They profess to love The Thing because only lofty men can see The Thing is really “wiser than us”.  But one suspects that secretly they are scared sh**less that on one of these little escapades Task Force Maroon will leave them for dead.

Or maybe not. Perhaps it is all unfolding as Darwin intended. Maybe there is no solution for the Dr. Carringtons of the world except to watch them approach the dinosaur and let the reptile take care of it. But to hope that they should take heed? Like I said, with the Left it’s double down until the end.

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I had an email argument with a close, but very liberal friend back on October 14, 2008, when Obama was still campaigning for Presidency. I am posting below my reply to her email where she was alluding to the racist attacks against him. In this email I summed up why conservatives were against him, and I made 10 predictions of what was to come.

These predictions would be of no surprise to anyone on this blog; truth is, I probably nicked most of them from you. My point in posting them is not to pat ourselves on our backs with regards to how prescient we were, but to point out where the real argument must be made. This was never about racism, but about radical socialism vs. free markets.

We must hammer this message home with voters. We must remind them of who this guy really is and to ask, "What were you thinking," and hopefully win over voters who still have minds to think.

Here is my email reply in its entirety, written October 14th, 2008:

– what prejudice? What ‘N’ word battled around? Please show me (and don’t point me to lunatics like Keith Oberman as an example).

What I don’t understand is that the minute someone raises an objection about Obama, it must be racist. Can you not entertain that folks do not like him NOT because he is black, BUT because he is the most radical liberal member of the democratic party.

The civil war you refer to is misguided. It has nothing to do with race – but everything to do with socialism vs. free markets.

For the record – Obama frightens me, because I think I do know where he is coming from and it ain’t what you think it is (or, perhaps it is).

1. Has a paper thin record – yes, so does Palin, but she is not running for president – he is.
2. What record he has is always to the extreme left – take a look at his stance on not only late term abortions, but that he is the only one who voted against the born alive act.
3. His ties to people who hold the US in contempt – Soros, Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, the radical professor at Columbia, Convicted Felon – Tony Rezko.
4. His membership in the Chicago New Party, a marxist organization
5. His association with ACORN, who not only is at the heart of the financial mess – i.e. Forcing banks (yes – forcing, camping out in front of the banks and the loan officers home’s demanding they make loans to people who can’t pay them), ACORN is also at the heart of voter fraud, and has been since 1977. Look at Ohio, Nevada, and other states where dead people, felons, etc are being registered to vote. In one county in Ohio, the first 2,100 registrants out of 5,000 were all bogus. Guess who has paid them $800K out of his own campaign money, and was an attorney for them.
6.The track record of his thuggish approach to anyone who has dissimilar views.

I can go on and on and back up every single point above.

BUT PLEASE – do not allude to my being apprehensive of what this man will bring to this country if he is elected as RACIST.

If you want, here is what I predict happening if he is elected (and I will back up any of these points – thank you very much):

1. Shake downs on banks and other companies continue. Organizations such as Acorn get more power
2. Democrats think what is needed is a 'New Deal' - spending programs (that they decide) to help get Americans back to work. Sound great, but did not help Roosevelt, won't help us now (no, the new deal did not bring us out of the depression. FDR is one of my favorite presidents – but not for his economic policies that prolonged the depression.
3. Russia invades Ukraine
4. Iran gets nuclear weapons
5. China takes over Taiwan (maybe - this depends on how bad things get. Obama will certainly blink).
6. The democrats pass legislation that actually does threaten our freedom. This will begin with their "fairness act'
7. Democrats will continue to improve their corrupt, thuggish, 'shake down' approach to getting votes - teamed with union bosses and community organizers
8. Partial birth abortion reinstated
9. The media turns a blind eye.
10. 2nd amendment rights chipped away.

The question will be how much of this will happen to where 'voting the bums out of office' becomes almost impossible. Just look at Acorn’s activity now.

These folks have been following a script - see Saul Alinsky. While they along with events alter this script somewhat, it is foolish to think that there isn't a plan behind this.

Of all of the countries that have dabbled with socialism, only one has never fully tested it, and has not therefore thrown it into the trash heap where it belongs. That country is the US.

Liberal causes without focus on God, leads to the worst despotic states. The left have been pushing an agenda that does not have God at the center, where they are quite antagonistic towards God, and where they truly believe, the ends justify the means.

We have a reckoning still ahead of us, and it won't be pretty. But, you are mistaken if you think the fault lines are racial – that is a smoke screen. They
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"The Thing" is Marxist totalitarianism.

We have the Carrington Media, Carrington Academia and Carrington Hollywood.

And the Carrington Party, also known as Woodstock Jihad.

"The Thing" and its enablers suck the lifeblood out of patriotism, the Constitution, our defense systems, our morale, and our checks and balances.

But The Woodstock Jihad thing comes disguised as "liberalism". A gentle, doe-eyed creature that smells like flower petals and glows like a rainbow halo.

It has fangs, claws and venom. But it purrs like a kitten.

The Woodstock Jihad Thing lures the "caring tons" to the slaughter. They go willingly, blissfullly, thankfully, adoringly.

The hard left roots for the beast. Because they hate us with a white hot passion. They hate us and all we stand for with a cult member's fervor as ALL who hate us have.

They don't feel that they are merely morally superior, because they feel no moral constraint at all. They wish for the beast to devour us because the beast is their master. It is the blind, raging devotion to the beast that sacrifices morals, ethics, logic, honor, laws, truth, God and man to its ravenous appetite for complete domination..

In this way, the leftist devours liberals and liberalism while masquerading as one. Because underneath the rainbow halo, the beast isn't a "caring ton". It is pure evil.
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Some years ago, there was a Talking Heads roundtable (post Gulf War?) which had several notable grandees from Academia, the Military, Government (Rudy Giuliani, prior to being Mayor of NY) Mike Wallace and Peter Jennings.

Mike Wallace made the flippant comment that as a "professional journalist", it might not be in his interest to warn American soldiers (if he were reporting in a war zone) if they were approaching an ambush. Peter Jennings (a Canadian!) started to part ways with him, but then Mike castigated him about it, and Jennings fell right in line.
Needless to say, the military member of the panel discussion was steamed, and said after all, they would probably still rescue the journalists in question if they got captured.

There really are (at least) two countries out there. There's one where still fairly normal people live and try to function (increasingly difficult with the Obama Regime). And then there are the functional descendants of Mike Wallace and all his fellow travelers.

One side has to win, and one side has to lose. Guess who is losing now?
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Old Biblical wisdom: If you are kind to the cruel this will lead to being cruel to the kind. Be kind to a terrorist and you will soon find yourself having been cruel to the terrorist's next innocent victim.

Another brilliant Wretchard column.
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Put another way:
Destroying evil is perhaps the greatest kindness of all.
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I didn't know that; that is wisdom, thanks.
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Comments, such as by ShivermeTimbers and others, are exactly right; Obama's extreme socialism and anti-Americanism is a basic component of his psyche. Again, as I've said ad nauseum, he is also a clinical narcissist, which means that he cannot empathize with, cannot connect with other people, cannot accept others as his equal, and, also, he cannot connect to reality. Obama really doesn't like anyone; he wants people to swoon over him, but he, himself, is unable to feel any sense of identity with others.

He lives in a fictional and alienated world of his own rhetoric - a rhetoric which puts him at the center and views others as either sycophant followers or as irrelevant. Obama, who is absymally ignorant about economics, lives within an ignorant perspective that belongs only in the seminar room or the coffee shop, one that is hostile to the American economic mode of individualism, entrepreneurship and private small business capitalism. We can see the results in his strangling of the American economy with his Obamacare and his EPA and other regulations.

His foreign policy, which again, puts him at the center as The Wise Man of Peace, - and Obama is as ignorant of history and peoples as he is of economics - sets up a framework where he utterly ignores the reality of these foreign economies, foreign cultures and ancient histories - and where Obama simply expects people to focus on him, only him, and swoon over His Words. This is The Campaign Mode of Interaction, the only mode of interaction that Obama has - to speak empty and glib rhetoric from the pulpit (the oceans will cease to rise, the thin red line, we will get the Benghazi culprits...) and yet, he expects the audience will have only one interest - in cheering adulation of His Presence. And will suddenly forget their own economic problems, their own internal battles with other peoples...

He is, in one word, a disaster for America.
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In a narrow sense, Robert Fisk probably had it right about why he got his beating. Those Afghan tribesmen were probably pissed off about a lot of things and would not have looked too kindly on any white European face they saw. I think most rational people would understand that. You don’t take a stick to a hornet’s nest and expect not to be stung. To do it anyway strikes me as some kind of self-flagellation.

People like Fisk or the fictional Carrington want to be punished. Maybe it’s not even for their sins or our perceived sins, but just because in some perverse way, they enjoy it.
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The problem is not science. It is the abuse of authority. The fictional Dr. Carrington hardly acted differently from the real Jim Jones. Dr. Carrington got his authority from science and Mr. Jones got his authority from religion; others get their authority from military rank or the “aura of education”.

The important thing is that those with authority must feel a reciprocal sense of responsibility toward those who defer to them. If the man in charge is disloyal to the people he leads, he must be replaced.

The actions of Dr. Carrington are little different from the Iraqi officer corps in Mosul – the officer corps abandoned their men to their fate, leaving the men without any leadership at all. The capture of Mosul looks less like a military battle and more like a coup d'etat.
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Jim Jones got his authority from the Mafia connected Pelosi/Dell Williams gang. He was a union legbreaker, a real estate fixer, and a money launderer for the Bay Democrat party before he went off the deep end into a child sex ring he called a "church".
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No wonder the California Democrats loved him so much!
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Treason does not need a reason for it. Dr. Carrington had a pretext, not a reason.
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Just this morning (dateline, Seattle) I happened to catch the end of one of those public service broadcasts that they only show on early Sunday mornings. It was a production of Western Washington State University in Bellingham, WA. It showed a great looking Latina professor leading hundreds of college students in a chant of : Diversity! Di-ver-si-ty! Di-ver-si-ty! Di-ver-si-ty! Di-ver-si-ty! Of course, being a modern university, the irony was invisible to profs and students alike...
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Reminds me of this golden oldy from my adolescence:
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When students go to college, at least some of them go there in order to learn. Universities are supposed to be schools, not stud farms for procreating the next generation of rulers.

Zoos have diversity, and one can measure the prestige of a zoo by measuring its taxonomic diversity. If one wants a tourist attraction where visitors are expected to look at the exotic fauna, that is what zoos are for. University administrators should not feel compelled to compete against zoos.
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Uni is just another money laundry, 'teaching students' is now largely a facade to cover their real, important activities. Well, those and the selling of loans to anything breathing.
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You demean Carrington by comparing him to Obama. Say what you want about him but there sure was no golf courses near that Arctic research station.
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In recent decades, snow golf has become increasingly popular.

Yes, it is possible to play golf in Antarctica or Greenland...
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One of the constants in societies and cultures that are collapsing, is the growing dominance of those who live in the realm of formality, cant, and unreality. In innumerable Chinese dynasties, those who could and would fight the barbarians were held back by those who were so sure of their own superiority that such practicality was anathema to them. Rome had its own. The Ancien Regime in France [Yeah, I know. The summoning.] had a sufficient share to ensure reality imposed itself with an edged falling blade and a generation of war. Now we have the EUnuchs there and TWANLOC here. May it be that we are the ones to reimpose reality, and not the barbarians.

Subotai Bahadur
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The great thing about being a "Citizen of the World" (instead of a citizen of the community you live in) is that your allies live too far away to see how badly you treat the domestic staff or to notice any other hypocrisy on your part. Being so far away, there's no need to actually get along with them. They also live too far away to compete for local status (well, at least until they crash land on the planet, or show up in New York).

If you care more about your status in society than you do about society itself, The Other is the perfect ally. Well, again, at least until they crash land nearby. A society run by people like this can't help but to collapse.
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After all too many conversations with progressives, I have decided to just walk away rather than engage them. They have so many talking points and straw man arguments, just reaching an agreement that problems exist with present government actions is next to impossible.
I have concluded that if things go very wrong in this country and anarchy become the rule, I would not waste any time or energy to help progressives; to remove myself from the defense of my family and property to help those who would not help themselves when they could, would place us at risk. That would not apply in normal times, but I would have to hold my nose and grin and bear it. However, I have offered my farm as a refuge for family and to friends who live in urban areas a refuge if things go south, but not to any Leftist/progressives. Let them suffer the consequences of their own stupidity and I wouldn't want to have whining within our ranks.
As to the Islamists, the lesson that should be learned is that the Iranian Left supported the Revolution against the Shah and within 10 years they were exterminated or imprisoned. A lesson this President has not learned nor, I fear, will ever learn.
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I think it was a lot less than that. The Tudeh (Iranian Communist Party) was tolerated but watched by the Shah and his Regime. When Ayatollah khomeini came to power, he retained the services of the Savak (Iranian Secret Police) and had the Tudeh liquidated. In months. And yes, the Tudeh helped organize the Shah's downfall.
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Ahmedinijad just so happened to be the leader of Tudeh, the one who organized taking the Americans hostage.
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Sorry, the leader of the student Tudeh org at Tehran uni
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>>> That would not apply in normal times, but I would have to hold my nose and grin and bear it.<<<

You are a nicer person than I am. They are the enemy. They would bring about the condition of things going very wrong, and would happily kill you and yours to try to avoid the consequences. They never have given quarter to Patriots, they deserve none.

Subotai Bahadur
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I still maintain that our host is the best anatomist of the left writing today. He pegged the weird collusion of the left with the jihad many years back.

What a mess. I think if I were Obama I would tell the Middle East, "I am reviving the U.S. 24th Marine Amphibious Unit (MAU) with voluteers from all branches of the U.S. military. They will start in Syria and march to Baghdad. God help you all." (The 24th blown to pieces in a Hezbollah suicide attack on Oct. 23, 1983.)
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I have a friend who survived that bombing. Occasionally he'll talk about it. I have said for years, if the Commandant made an announcement that all interested 1st Civ Div Marines could come back at their former rank, receive 782 gear, refresher training as required, and operational logistical support, but no pay or benefits; he'd still be able to field an entire MarDiv of volunteers for the task of invading Lebanon and eradicating Hezbollah. Pay back is owed and has been collecting interest since '83.
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Met a man who was there. Worked with my wife.

Obviously, he survived, but not so his brother in the NYPD:

He died in the Towers.

I think he'll be safe working security at an upscale hotel on Maui. least until Iran pulls the trigger on all their Hezzies in country.
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