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Retreat Hell Yeah

April 15th, 2014 - 9:16 pm

Don’t write a check your a** can’t cash. Never draw a Red Line that you’re not prepared to enforce. Don’t threaten consequences you’re not prepared to impose.  Never make as if you’re drawing a weapon against an armed man and come up pointing your finger. Some people learn life’s lessons after a while.

Some people never learn. Time magazine  reports that the White House has backed the Ukrainian government’s efforts to suppress separatism on its eastern border with an expression of support. As for tangible help, nada.

White House Backs Ukraine’s Eastern Offensive.

The White House says it supports the offensive against separatists in the country’s eastern provinces, which began Tuesday 25 miles north of Slovyansk and could expand to 10 cities throughout the region

The White House said Tuesday it supports military action taken on Tuesday by the interim government of Ukraine against separatist militants across the eastern part of the country. …

U.S. officials say there are no current plans to provide weapons to Ukraine, the Wall Street Journal reports. Officials estimate there are roughly 50,000 Russian forces deployed to the country’s border with eastern Ukraine.

The Voice of America carries a similar account. “WHITE HOUSE — The Obama administration has suggested that Ukraine’s operations against pro-Russian separatists are justified, but that the U.S. is not considering providing lethal assistance.”

US Backs Ukraine’s Separatist Crackdown

Without going as far as stating U.S. support for the Ukrainian government’s decision to send in tanks and troops, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters the United States appreciates Ukraine’s pledge that it will act responsibly and gradually against the separatists who have taken over government buildings and other facilities.

This brings to mind Obama’s “support” for Syrian rebels without providing any “lethal assistance”.   The president once again declares he stands ready to support his allies to the limit of his teleprompter. But about all else he has provided besides are a few containers of MREs.

One might well ask: of what does the administration’s support consist except an shouted exhortation from well to the rear to advance “responsibly and gradually”? It’s a phrase that sounds more like an slogan against drunk driving than the tocsin of resistance.

An endorsement without muscle may be worse than no endorsement at all.

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This brings to mind Obama’s “support” for Syrian rebels without providing any “lethal assistance”.

Calling these Shariah loving and Christian hating and Christian raping and Christian murdering sub-animals "Rebels" is even worse than calling those invading America from third world countries "Dreamers" and "It's only Love". It is intellectually and morally depraved.
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Maybe it's just me but if we are going to get into another war, I would rather it be with Mexico, not Russia, as it is Mexico, not Russia, that has tens of millions of invaders in America.
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I am not looking at a 20 year horizon. You cannot plan for the long term if you are about to be terminally handed your nether regions in the short term. We may be able to survive until either the scheduled end of the current regime, or until he does not leave and we will be too preoccupied with internal matters to deal with foreign affairs. The long term measures will not even be started till after Obama is gone, if then.

I stand by what I've said in the last couple of threads, and ask the question again:

"If Obama and his Federal government were actively working to destroy this country in all ways, foreign and domestic; what would he and they do differently than is being done now?"

Subotai Bahadur
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Why bother even cutting the check , if your assistance isn't going to be of any value.
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"Obama has a wonderful knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

What is considered a defeat and what is considered a victory depends on what side you are truly on. For the radical left, of which he is a part, these are all victories over that most despised and powerful of enemies, the USA as it was before Jan. 2009.
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Um, actually... would you please remind us of those victories we might have had if only Obama hadn't danced so hard to turn'em around????
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The left seems to be in the business of losing wars. First cutting off funding to VietNam when Nixon was crippled by WaterGate. Then pulling out of Iraq. Now they're trying to reverse the outcome of the Cold War.

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The Vision of the Anointed:

Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy

Sowell presents a devastating critique of the mind-set behind the failed social policies of the past thirty years. Sowell sees what has happened during that time not as a series of isolated mistakes but as a logical consequence of a tainted vision whose defects have led to crises in education, crime, and family dynamics, and to other social pathologies. In this book, he describes how elites—the anointed—have replaced facts and rational thinking with rhetorical assertions, thereby altering the course of our social policy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Vision+of+the+Anointed%3A+Self-Congratulation+as+a+Basis+for+Social+Policy&oq=The+Vision+of+the+Anointed%3A+Self-Congratulation+as+a+Basis+for+Social+Policy&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
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Related at that link:

The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism

The End of Racism: Finding Values In An Age Of Technoaffluence

Men In Black: How the Supreme Court is Destroying America

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It

Free to Choose: A Personal Statement
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Let's face it: With our NEA "educated" populace and MSM we just can't win:

With a Pub in office, they cheer for the enemy abroad.

With a Dem, they cheer the enemy at home, always reserving the loudest for themselves.
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I heard that a movie is being made of William Brinkley's novel, "The Last Ship" (1988). Best nuclear war/post-apocalypse novel ever written, IMO. About a nuke war between U.S. and U.S.S.R. that virtually destroys the world. The only apparent survivor is a U.S. Navy ship (and crew) stationed in the Barents Sea ... and maybe a few others.

A really riveting tale.

Brinkley is the author of "Don't Go Near the Water."
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Similar tale by Huxley:

"Ape and Essence"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape_and_Essence
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As a youngster, I thought I had read a significant portion of Huxley's works.
Little did I know:

https://www.google.com/#q=aldous+huxley+books
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"The story in the script is punctuated by a series of vignettes centering on a society which is much like 20th century human society, but with baboons substituted for men. These brief scenes serve to further satirize human society and depict it as brutal, warlike, and stupid.

The opening scene shows two Einsteins, tied to leashes held by baboons on either side of a pair of baboon armies, facing each other and preparing for battle. They are then directed to operate machines which release "improved" disease-causing clouds at the opposition. This scene expresses the belief that society's most intelligent figures are exploited by ignorant warmongers, and the hopelessness of a society in which every party seeks to annihilate all others.

Several of the vignettes portray a female baboon singing sensually to an all-baboon audience "Give me, give me, give me detumescence..." :-)

Other vignettes involve apes performing various human activities, ape armies assembling, and other more surreal imagery."
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John F. Kennedy’s assassination on November 22nd, 1963,
overshadowed the deaths of two prominent authors:

Aldous Huxley and C. S. Lewis.
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NATO was ever only a veil behind which the US could exercise military power. It was OK as long as the US was led by people who cared about US interests, and the war-ravaged EUroscum knew their place.

However, American Fascists (or the Left, as they call themselves) idolize those sophisticated EUroweenies. Clinton & Soetero began to allow EUrotrash to use NATO (i.e. American assets) to accomplish narrow European objectives, eg the destruction of Serbia, the dissolution of Libya into civil war.

If Barry Soetero wants to deserve a Noble Peas Prize, let him pull the US out of NATO. It is now as worthless as the UN. Let's leave Europeans to solve European problems as best they know how. If that ends up with Germany as a tributary to the new Russian empire, so be it.

It is not isolationism to demand that the other men (or metrosexuals, in the EUnuch case) in the arena stand on their own feet.
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As one of the boomer generation I grew up in the protection of our nuclear umbrelly. I have NO memories of wanting to hide in a bunker, except for a few weeks in October of 1962... I **DO** remember the violent rebellions in Africa that cast out the European colonial governments... the death of Dag Hammarskjöld - the last UN Secretary-General who was not clearly hostile to the U.S. - in a plane crash in the Belgian Congo, slaughters of whites, slaughters of Indian merchants, slaughters of untold numbers of blacks by other blacks, as continues to this day...

But as for the current flaccid leadership of Europe, we have to remember that in the GREAT WAR, Britain and France AND Germany each lost about a third of their men between the ages of about 18 and 30. So many tens of millions of dead fathers, that there were almost as many children raised without a father as had one.

In the U.S. since WWII, we have accomplished about the same result by SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAMS that penalize women if the father(s) of their children live in the same household. We have managed to produce several feral generations without killing off the fathers in the sort of vast bloodletting that created similar conditions in Europe of the 1920s.

I guess that's progress of some sort.
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Siggie,
1. Boomers are on station. As always.
2. Reconfig of Poisiden's (Polaris long gone) to conventional is a big deal, requiring major US based missle overhaul. When launched they look just like a nuke. Not good. (ps. nukes are small and relatively light compared to a convential weapon of any value, throw weight from missles is small)
3. Sub launced Tomahawks, conventional or nuke are launced from torpedo tubes. And look like cruise missles when launched. Remember Russia is NOT a MENA nation. A launch that looks bad is bad.
4. Russians know the boats are there.
5. Surface ships and aircraft can lauch Tomahawk and other types of cruise missles...see above.
6. B-1s et al can and do operate from US Bases. All bomber missions to Afg/Iraq were from US bases. Again, Russia is not Mid East and would see them coming.
7. As well and truely explained below, it isn't a matter of capability.
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Posidon was phased out over 20 years ago. Now the USN and RN have only Trident FBM's.
We looked into conventionally armed ICBM's, (CBMs). They are still on the drawing board, so to speak. I personally think the USN's FBMs are the best platforms for them, since launch from USAF ICBM bases presents some safety challenges, and per treaty ICBM's cannot be stored within 100 KM of the Cape or VAFB.
By the way, the French silo-based ICBM force is gone. And when it was there it lacked the range to hit the USSR.
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what happened to all of our LA class "boomers"? Wouldn't it make sense to position them in strategic waters and let Putin know that we are operating close in with conventional missiles and tactical Polaris nukes? Move a squadron of B-1's to Poland too. Hell they should be all paid for by now.
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Los Angeles class submarines are NOT "boomers'. They are "fast attack".

Moving a squadron of B-1's to Poland would only put them within range of Putin's forces.

Stick to signals intelligence please.
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If I were Putin I would have sent Russian MREs to the Bundy ranch.
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@ lambat and roughcoat below.
I care not who is right or wrong or noble or ignoble. I care about minimizing Russian influence outside its borders, with the caveat that they sit on lslam as much as possible.

I guess I am suggesting a Real Politic for the next few decades...encourging Russia to help distract Islam by being 'Russian' inside her existing borders and not creating too much mischief elsewhere. Putin too, has a sell by date.
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I am all for realpolitic with Russia; not sure what's best though. They'll use Islam as a)permanent war in Chechnya for internal purposes and b) a force against the west (Big Game) through its proxy Iran. Spengler says that the worst that could happen is that Russia gets close to China. But how are either of those affected by how close Kiev is to Brussels? Probably Bolton is right and our best strategy is to put them out of business by bringing hydrocarbon prices down.
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Putin does not want a bloody conflict in the Ukraine. The Russian economy is in worse shape than ours. (Hard to believe, I know.) If we placed defensive weapons and cash in the hands of the Ukraine government, it would promise that any effort to overrun and annex East Ukraine would be costly and bloody. That is not what Putin wants. He can't afford it. As long as he can get what he wants on the cheap, he will do it. He has goals, but he also has limitations.

Stronger economic sanctions would create some pain for us and would be decried by the Euro-weenies, but could also be used to good effect. A President who wanted to thwart Putin's ambitions would be willing to use all the above.
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I suggest we be careful, people. I very rarely agree with MarieClaude but it IS possible, you know, that, while Putin is Andropov's heir and a thug, the currently installed Kiev government does use neo-fascist groups (local and brought in from Western Ukraine) for their political means.
It is possible that ethnic Russians (and probably Jews) in the Ukraine's territory would rather be under Putin than under whatever is cooking in Kiev.
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Let us posit for the sake of argument that there is a case to be made that the Ukrainians are all oppressed by their separation from Mother Russia and are pining for the Black Marias.

Does that same case hold for the Georgians? For the Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians? For the Poles in the near future? For the last 4 named; three of which are under overt threats and the fourth under tacit threats, there is the detail that they are NATO members. Failure to support them means that NATO is gone. Which is probably unavoidable. If we go not get our troops out of Afghanistan and move them to NATO countries [note that I am specifically not claiming that we have the obligation or means to intervene in Ukraine itself. And I do wish that the SCOAMF would keep whichever orifice he is speaking out of firmly shut], then there will be no NATO resistance. I just wonder, is there any place that Russia could theoretically claim ownership of that would not be abandoned?

Noting for the record, that if NATO is de facto or de jure dissolved; everything we have based in Europe needs to come home immediately. We may do the odd port visit by the Navy, but we do not need to "interfere" in what is to come with forces that will be abandoned without support.

Subotai Bahadur
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not sure what positing an untruth and then trying to draw similes will do.
The 4 former SSRs you mentioned plus Poland are not pining for back in USSR AFAIK. Probably because their countries are not nearly as broken as Ukraine is, and because all except Latvia have a pretty small Russian population (again AFAIK).
NATO is defunct, but Putin may be smart enough to know that he can control regions without annexing them, just as long as they know that he could.
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Agree, partly.

Of course the ethnic Russians would rather side with Putin. As for the Jews in the Ukraine--what, all six of them? Most were wiped out in the war (and before the war in the Petliura pogroms and during the Holdomor). Most Jews who survived the 1919-1948 bloodlettings decamped to Israel.

Anyhoo. There can be no meaningful direct action taken against Russia until we get out of Central Asia. Period.
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Not sure about the "of course", and yea there are quite a few Jews left and the word from Kiev is that they feel much less secure on the streets, with open antisemitism rising above ground.
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How many is "quite a few"? I can't find any census figures on the Ukrainian-Jewish population. All I know is, when I was dealing the caretaker of a Jewish center in Lviv, he told me that the numbers were negligible--and that he would in effect be turning out the lights in the place when he left.
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Anti-semitism is part of the Ukraine's DNA. As I have mentioned before, read "Taras Bulba" by Nikolai Gogol to gain some insight about the Ukraine. Any Jew with a functioning brain would have fled the Ukraine the instant after the Iron Curtain fell.

There are neo-Nazis in the Ukraine as there are in Russia and the United States. However the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are spewing nonsense against a nonexistent people, i.e. Ukrainian Jews. They are pushing that old hate button because it establishes their street-cred as neo-Nazis.
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