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April 19th, 2013 - 4:46 pm

CBS News reports that one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects was known to the FBI.

The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him. As first reported by CBS News correspondent Bob Orr, the FBI interviewed Tsarnaev, the elder brother of at-large bombing suspect Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, at the request of a foreign government to see if he had any extremist ties, but failed to find any linkage. …

CBS News correspondent John Miller reports it is likely Russia asked to have the elder Tsarnaev vetted because of suspected ties to Chechen extremists.

This is probably going to be the first in a number of retrospective realizations that are now going to form a picture. Things are always clear in retrospect. But in this case they should have been clear in prospect. One of the suspects had a playlist on social media which included “I will dedicate my life to Jihad,” among other things.

We focus on things because it is prohibited to focus on people. The TSA looks for things — scissors, liquids, shoes, etc — but it doesn’t stop the underwear bomber. People now want to blame “access to guns” for the Tsarnaevs. But it would be uncouth to ask about what they heard from their imam or their teachers.

This is in contrast to the “El Al” system of screening. They look at the man first. “Who are you?” is in many ways more important than “How long are your scissors?” But since we can’t inquire into the man, might as well look into the scissors.

As time passes, more and more acquaintances will come forward saying, “Well, come to think of it he did say this and that and this. …”  It will transpire that many knew. Many suspected.

But no one came forward. Why not? Because the system doesn’t do things. It doesn’t do people. It doesn’t do mental strife. But the system has really nifty swords. Armored vehicles, dogs, drones, thermal scanners, .50 cal sniper rifles. Heck, there might even be a minigun or two out in Watertown. Betcha they work real good too. Pity they might have to be used in those neighborhoods.

If the FBI knew about this individual two years ago, then it really recalls the snafus surrounding Major Nidal Malik Hasan. From Wikipedia: “The FBI noted that Hasan had first been brought to their attention in December 2008 by a Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF). Communications between Hasan and al-Awlaki, and other similar communications, were reviewed and considered to be consistent with Hasan’s professional research at the Walter Reed Medical Center. ‘Because the content of the communications was explainable by his research and nothing else derogatory was found, the JTTF concluded that Major Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning.’” The FBI ignored Hasan’s correspondence with a known terror personality.

In February 2010, the Boston Globe obtained a confidential internal report detailing results of the Army’s investigation. According to the Globe, the report concluded that officers within the Army were aware of Hasan’s tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. It noted one incident in 2007 in which Hasan gave a classroom presentation titled, “Is the War on Terrorism a War on Islam: An Islamic Perspective”. The instructor reportedly interrupted Hasan, as he thought the psychiatrist was trying to justify terrorism, according to the Globe. Hasan’s superior officers took no action related to this incident, believing Hasan’s comments were protected under the First Amendment and that having a Muslim psychiatrist contributed to diversity. The report noted that Hasan’s statements might have been grounds for removing him from service, as the First Amendment did not apply to soldiers in the same way as for civilians.

In the end, the Fort Hood shooting was proclaimed an act of “workplace violence.” As a result, the victims have filed a lawsuit against the government. “A lawsuit filed in November 2011 by victims and their family members alleges that the government’s failure to take action against Hasan before the attack was willful negligence prompted by ‘political correctness.’ The 83 claimants seek $750 million in compensation from the Army.”

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As can only happen in real, there is an odd juxtaposition this week. The failure of the gun control bill unleashed the usual laments that if it saves one child it is worth it. Even the President said it in his response. Will a similar argument be made about restricting Muslim immigration? Even if it saves one child? Unlikely.
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So these two knuckleheads have had their run. What a pointless loss of innocent life and limb they destroyed heartlessly. We're damn lucky that the Jihadists are fixated on poetic symbolism, and often oblique and bizarre symbolism at that (why the marathon?). Imagine if these terrorists ever got their act together and acted professionally in concert to maximize pain. Remember all it took was two nutjobs with a Bushmaster to disrupt utterly the DC area for three long weeks.

Boston's response revealed some troubling things. Would you want to live in that liberal Mecca, lawfully disarmed, while terrorists ran amok sowing mayhem? How many discovered that their home truly wasn't their own, for how can it be once you're told you're not allowed in? When is the last time we saw a major American city on curfew? Essentially martial law was declared, and with it came a show. How many different SWAT and special ops units did you count, each with a train of APCs, HMMVs and MRAPs?

Toplevel leadership presented as clowns. Cuomo even worked in global warming. The stupid, it hurts!
1 year ago
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The priority of a system that is dedicated to the permanent superiority of the anonymous STATE over the individual, is the preservation of that system. There is never any accountability for the actions of the individual officials who let things slide or personally profit from bad decisions. Even if the victims of the Fort Hood Islamic terrorism win their lawsuit, it will have absolutely no effect on those who made the decision to suppress the warnings about his behavior. I'd bet that anyone who gave a warning committed career suicide.

No individual has any responsibility, so there is no responsibility. The government of the United States, regardless of party, institutionally does not consider the lives or liberty of the American people to be either a priority or even a consideration in its operation.

Let me modify that slightly. "Regardless of party" implies competing parties. I assume that my fellow guests here are familiar with the geometric concept of a Möbius strip. Take a strip of paper and give it a half-twist, and then join the ends of the strip together to form a loop. You have a piece of paper that, despite appearances, only has one side. Test by trying to draw a line down the middle of it full length.

We have a Möbius Strip Incumbency party running our country. Despite appearances, there is only one side; and it ain't us.

The process of restoring responsibility to the system requires at the least initially holding some members of the Elite actually personally responsible with the same or greater penalty for the infraction as would happen to one of us proles if we had committed the same act. The earlier it happens, the easier the transition will be. If delayed too long, there is a chance that society will collapse before responsibility returns; either due to societal disfunction or the violence necessary to impose that penalty. I will leave it to each reader to judge if we have any time left.

Subotai Bahadur
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I think the real question is this: Why is there no question about the subversion of our constitutional rights in the declaring of virtually martial law, prohibiting any person to step outside their homes in Boston, then and FBI/police search of homes in the Watertown area at the point of an assault weapon? I know the police said everybody volunteered to allow the search, but there are reasons to believe one would not have had the "right" to say "No." This sets a precedent. I think we have ALL observed by now that this president, and the last one, gives preferential treatment to Muslims so as not to offend them. Our own president stated to the UN that Islam will not be allowed to be slandered. Americans should not be surprised that no attention, or little attention, is being paid to ANY Muslims in the US. They are NOT going to label them in any file as such...especially prior to an incident. So, we'd better be prepared, ourselves, to see more of this and for the government agencies to act surprised about it. We lost America on 9/11/01. Yes, Bush kept them from doing anything else on American soil, but by banning profiling, and making every effort to placate Muslims world-wide, we have set ourselves up for destruction that is just waiting to take place. This FBI, under this administration will not pass on intelligence to possible locations because to do so would be profiling. It is left up to local police departments to do the regular job of police work as well as terrorist intelligence work to protect their own cities. Let's pray they are a LOT less PC minded!
51 weeks ago
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Why was the FBI asking for help in identifying the suspects if they already knew the suspects?
51 weeks ago
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This brings me to two comments. First, that the author rolls past the intel of the social network playlist as if this level of surveilance detail is to be expected. Second, if this is the norm and government knows basically everything about everyone and they missed these guys, what the sam H are they looking for? O would rather they know nothing if knowing everything filters out the bad guys, somehow. Are they watching to see if ordinary peaceful but patriotic folks are going to take their security into their own hands? What?
52 weeks ago
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Took my family on an airplane ride to see relatives a few years back.

My kindergartener daughter had her plastic kindergarten scissors confiscated by TSA.

After that early shock, she's growing up to be a conservative.

52 weeks ago
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Yep, blame America first. Funny, we rely on the FBI to help keep you safe, then wish people would sue the US government (that's us by the way) for "failing" to predict a guy would commit a terrorist act two years later? Disgusting America haters.
52 weeks ago
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"News that the Boston suspects were known to the FBI as a result of a warning by Russia can only add to the impression that they care more about The Narrative than doing their jobs. That the whole exercise was not about returning to a “state of grace” but preserving the state of the administration’s face"

Nice quote
1 year ago
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Not to put too fine a point on it but why do the media keep reporting that gun fire preceded the boat extraction? Cops normally use flash bangs to disorient the suspect. Gunfire? What would they be shooting at? A suspect cowering in a boat in a pool of his own blood? Why would they shoot? Where would they shoot? Would they shoot into the boat, without even seeing the suspect? If they did shoot into the boat, their intent was to kill him before he could be captured, and that would imply a deeply nefarious intent, in my opinion.

No, flash bangs were most likely used – lots of them. Flash bangs create a blinding flash that can cause temporary blindness for up to 15 seconds and the concussion of the blast overdrives the sensory inputs to completely disorient the individual. They may have also hoped to pre-detonate his “non-existent” bomb vest.

As far as Annoy Mouse’s comment, “we won’t hear the end of calls to eradicate radical white separatists and the need for more diversity in the workplace. Who trusts the attorney general with leading justice in the United States?”

Eric Holder now has a very disturbing track record with respect to his “even application of the law.” There are some in the country who will conclude a number of possibilities:
- This was a dirty plot by the government to take advantage of the bombing (“never let a crisis go to waste”) and set the stage for a lock-down situations in the future that will allow a block-by-block search for “contraband” much like was done post Katrina. They don’t have to “seize” the contraband, they only need to catalogue it for future operations. Wow! Think of the lessons learned! You Catholics had better hide your crucifixes and I’m turning all my WWJD bracelets inside out.
- I agree with some that the president looked like a “deer in the headlights” for the whole week. I guess the police, even though they acted with light speed didn’t act so stupidly, this time.
- It is incredible what law enforcement can do when they are not constrained by the “lead from behind” mantra.
- I looked at the people who lined the streets whooping and cheering the law enforcement folk as they left the tactical area and I felt saddened. Not because the police didn’t do their jobs well, I guess they did and I’m proud of them for their bravery and adaptability. I was saddened because they were willing to do their jobs without the slightest glance back at the Constitution they took an oath to support and defend. Our Founding Fathers were probably in appoplexy over a "search order" scoped for an entire city. How will those who still honor that oath feel tonight, or early the next morning about what they did in those 102 hours? I hope they go through the same pensive, revealing soul searching that did Steve McQueen did in the last scenes of “Bullit.”

Finally. What are the people cheering about? There is a real sh*t-storm coming and we all need to get ready for it. The leading from behind strategy says, "let's fight them here" and Eric Holder thinks we are too cowardly to handle it. Hiding in your house is no way to prepare. Preparation starts in the mind and must include “being there” for yourself, your family, and for your friends and neighbors. It is way too soon for anyone to lull themselves into a false sense of “security.” This is very serious stuff. We have killed two “innocent” Chechens, who their mother says were set-up by the government. That may be cause for the folks who have lived in Chechnya for the last three decades to relish Jihad – against anyone, but especially those in the United States.

A friend of mine just died of pancreatic cancer, although his entire body was filled with it – lungs, brain. From discovery to the morgue was six weeks. He went off a cliff when the doctors finally found a hole in the pancreas that was pumping fluids into the main body cavity. Zero hour to death was 18 hours. As we have been saying on this site for years, collapse often comes in a logarithmic time scale – like thermal runaway. So, one’s only health option is to stay alert to signals your body sends each and every day. The same goes for the signals emanating from Washington. When things finally turn bad, total chaos will come at light speed.
1 year ago
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I would say that when racial mobs terrorize and assault people at malls and state fairs, and when the media characterizes them as kids being kids, that is chaos. Politicized and racialized members of the media give tacit support by invoking chickens coming home to roost for the sins of their fathers whether its white windows being smashed or planes flying into buildings. Our media is the new madrasa since they broadcast defamatory hate speech about this country from the time it was born and they do that 7 days a week. It is no coincidence that MSNBC has 3 full time and one part time career racialists on their payroll. Take away the subject of race and complaints about white people from those 4 and they would literally not have careers. What better way to define a bigot than those who make their house payments that way?
1 year ago
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Condolences for your loss.

I hope not condolences for all of us.
1 year ago
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In light of these bombers, remember that we've got the Weather Underground folks. This group bombed: the Pentagon, the US Capitol, the New York Police Benevolent Society, the New York Board of Corrections, numerous corporate headquarters, the home of a federal judge. They also orchestrated the Days of Rage riot in Chicago, and they teamed up with the Black Panthers for armed robberies.

Calls exist for treating the Boston bomber in custody as an enemy combatant. Fine. Let's. Let's look into treason while we're at it. And then let's turn to a number of our so called educators and public policy lawyers, specifically those named: William Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, Kathy Boudin, etc. Note that these people remain entirely unrepentant. In fact they brag about what they've done. They have actually assumed positions of authority from which they deign to lecture us about justice! Also note that several of these have well known, well established ties with our current president. How this gets continually glossed over is beyond me. Why it was not an automatic disqualifier for things like professorships, bar accreditation, and political office, also need explanation. No justification exists imho -- these Weathermen are dirtbag murderers in the exact same manner as our Chechen suspects.
1 year ago
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Why has the media not yet reported as to which mosque they attended or where these devout Muslims attended services? Friday afternoon after Jummah would have been a great time to interview their friends from the masjid!
1 year ago
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In defense of the FBi about all one can say is that at least they didn't make Tamerlan Tsarnaev an agent unlike the U.S. Army that made Nidal Hasan a major, so there is that anyway.
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