God Bless This Stress
Nassim Nicholas Taleb, the author of The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable and a subject of considerable conversation here at the Belmont Club a couple of years back, is back with a new book: Antifragile: Things that Gain from Disorder.
He recently sat down with Reason’s Nick Gillespie for an interview: Taleb makes an interesting comment at 2:05:
TALEB: The human body needs some stressors, and everything organic and complex communicates with the environment via stressors.
Later, he talks about the importance of having “skin in the game.” He criticizes academics for never being held accountable for their erroneous predictions, and bankers for crashing the system in 2008 and then turning around and paying themselves record bonuses in 2010.
Finally, at 55:50, he shares his definition of “living”:
TALEB: My idea of living is taking risks for causes.
Stressors, “skin in the game,” risks for causes: life for Taleb is a struggle, a battle between man and his environment, man and the systems he creates, and ultimately man and himself.
Contrast this with what we hear out of Washington DC.
Vice President Joe Biden has spearheaded the push for gun control in response to the tragic shootings in Newtown, CT. His rationale for cracking down on guns, from a Washington Post article:
“We cannot remain silent in the country,” Biden said. “What happened up in Newtown: beautiful little babies, 6 and 7 years old, riddled — riddled — with bullets, 20 of them dead. I met with most of their parents. It is a national tragedy and a window into a vulnerability people feel about their safety and the safety of their children.”
Translation: guns are stressing people out, and stress is bad for them, and for the nation. So we must act to remove that stress. Rest assured that once all of the guns are off the street, the average national blood pressure will fall.
And it’s not just Democrats who have this propensity. Consider President George W. Bush’s statement when he signed into law the expansion of Medicare Part D, which provides drug benefits to senior citizens:
Drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine. And even more important, drug coverage under Medicare will save our seniors from a lot of worry.
In fact, you could say the purpose of just about every expansion of government program is designed to reduce stress. Poverty is stressful; unemployment is stressful; saving enough for retirement is stressful; obesity is stressful; raising a family is stressful; terror attacks are stressful; lack of health insurance is stressful.
(This last one is particularly problematic because we’re told that stress can cause health problems, so if you don’t have health insurance you’re going to get sick, and then fall back on the public system for health care. This means that Obamacare, which is supposed to make health insurance available to and affordable for everyone, will decrease costs, right? Hmmm, it’s not looking so good. Well, don’t worry; if premiums do go up, we can just create a program to “cushion cost increases.”)
And, to make matters worse, all of this stress is stressing out our elected officials. They’re stressed about the extreme partisanship at both the federal and state level; they’re stressed about what is said about them in the media; they’re stressed about having to face voters in the 2014 primaries; they’re stressed about not being able to alleviate the stress of the special interests who are daily calling on them to do something because they’re under so much stress.
But is stress a feature or a bug? Taleb makes the argument that stress is how we communicate with our environment, so essential to our survival. Fragile systems cannot handle stress; antifragile systems thrive in it. Black swans destroy fragile systems; black swans are killed, plucked, and eaten by antifragile systems, emerging stronger than before.
So what about the U.S. Constitution? Which kind of system does it define? Fragile or antifragile?
Michael Greve, one of our greatest living constitutional scholars, might have an interesting answer to that question: both.
In his latest book, The Upside-Down Constitution, Greve maps the transformation of the American system from competitive federalism to cartel federalism. It is a compelling and persuasive synthesis of the history of American constitutionalism.
Competitive federalism, according to Greve, is the historically correct way to describe the American system in the 19th Century, but is not explicitly embedded in the Constitution. Rather, the competitive federal order rose principally on the foundation of what I have called the Constitution’s “institutional commitment” principles. The working out of the constitutional rules was largely left to the Supreme Court, which ensured that it would proceed on precompetitive terms.
Cartel federalism, on the other hand, arose out of the abandonment of those “institutional commitments” in favor of anticompetitive system under the guise of intergovernmental cooperation. By abandoning its procompetitive practices, the Supreme Court turned the Constitution upside-down.
It is clear that our political system has centralized over the past 100 years. However, Greve makes two arguments that are not part of the standard narrative regarding that centralization of power:
- The Founders did not trust the states any more than they trusted the federal government; in fact, they may have trusted states less. They viewed the states as corrupt, parochial, and protectionist. Yes, they were distrustful of concentrated federal power, but that was in large part because they were distrustful of any concentrated political power, having experienced its effects at the state level.
- The Federal Government grew in power at the demand of the states, who insisted upon federal protection of state monopolies and cartels. The states were anxious to avoid regulatory competition, which became more problematic as the nation grew more mobile and sophisticated. They wanted to run a cartel; competition was a pain. And only a strong Federal Government could effectively enforce a cartel of states.
These arguments ring true to me. States are highly dysfunctional (albeit at a smaller scale than the federal government). And it is my observation that, contrary to popular belief, lower level officials often push for more regulation, not less. School districts competing to hire teachers will plead for state regulation of teacher certification, compensation, professional development, and grievance processes. State-level regulation preempts competition among districts. And states are often delighted to have the federal government preempt their decisions, as it gives them someone else to blame, and prevents the need to compete.
Let’s face it: competition is stressful. It’s a lot easier to run a cartel – which is why private firms often try to set up cartels, and we have laws to stop them. The problem, of course, is that cartels extract exorbitant rents and require an enforcer. Saudi Arabia is the enforcer of OPEC, and the federal government is the enforcer of state government cartel.
The movement from competitive federalism to cartel federalism was a move from an antifragile to a fragile system. Instead of a system with dispersed authority, kept competitive through Supreme Court jurisprudence, we now have a cartelized system where state, federal, and local governments (including the courts), together with big corporations, big labor unions, and big non-profits, work to “harmonize” the American way of life.
“Harmony” sounds like such a nice word. But it’s a dead end. Without competition, there is no stress, and without stress there is no long-term survival. I think it’s the point that Wretchard makes when he highlights the absurdity of the “buy the world a Coke” paradigm.
So we should embrace the stress, and not be discouraged by it. Yes, it’s tough, but it also toughens. And that toughness will valuable in the near future. It will make you antifragile, so the next time a Black Swan appears, you can enjoy it.
Deep fried. Cajun-style. Washed down with an ice-cold Coke.







The Republicans do NOT need to be brave. They just have to act like grownups.
The American People want adult leaders.
The military term of art for those two guys climbing the wall at Merimna is “Forlorn Hope”.
Previous “forlorn hopes” include
The Hell Fires of Kuwait
The BP Oil Spill
Fukushima Dai-Ici
Look at how those “Black Swans” turned out!
Want to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy? Repeal the Davis Bacon Act. Restrictive union rules are preventing FEMA from getting people back into their own homes.
THIS WILL NOT STAND!!!!
Machias…
The Davis Bacon Act does not stipulate that work must be done according to union rules.
It doesn’t even stipulate that work must be done by unionized labor.
It merely stipulates that the government shall not use its monopsony power to drive down local wage rates as a consequence of the competitive bidding process.
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Lost in the mists of history…
During the Great Depression public works contractors exploded — as a percentage of the marketplace. Most general construction was not yet unionized — not at all.
(Big cities were another matter.)
Since ordinary commercial construction utterly collapsed — Hoover’s and Roosevelt’s big construction projects attracted players who were underbidding the traditional fellows — and then turning around and hammering the labor market with cram-down wage offers.
The first guys through that door made an absolute killing. They took theirs first and let the common worker grovel in the trough.
It was during such times that the Davis-Bacon Act passed.
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At this time, the problem is that it’s now the Union bosses who make an absolute killing. They get theirs first and let their rank and file members take it or leave it.
The absolute power shift was well portrayed in “On the Waterfront.” At the close of that film it’s apparent that the Company Man is now a powerless functionary. Mr. Friendly’s union crew is in absolute control of the labor force — and crime on the docks.
It was so bad, so persistent, that containerization swept the industry. The wholesale corruption is still there, though.
I once had the pleasure of witnessing my pilfered USDA Choice steaks on the grill — as the less-than-containerload dockworkers told me to file a claim. I had to use airfreight from that point onward.
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No, the problem isn’t the Federal statute. The problem is with the pervasive tolerance of union organized crimes. RICO is not applied to them.
As “On the Waterfront” showed, RICO should be applied to unions — same as any other profit making enterprise.
It also needs to be applied to Big Banks.
Crony Capitalism also means RICO scale corruption.
As Red China, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia show — such levels of corruption destroy entire societies.
If only America could learn from their examples.
Nothing’s different because we’re America.
I thought Black Swans refer to stress events which were not forseeable? Acts of God, we used to call them, like the Titanic hitting the iceberg, or an earthquake or tidal wave. Stressful, to be sure, but impossible to reasonably predict in advance. You can reasonably claim not to see a Black Swan coming until it is too late to do anything but react as best you can.
The thing about cartel federalism, socialism, Obama-ism or whatever you want to call it, is that the stresses it porduces are entirely forseeable. Move decision making to the federal government, institute Soviet Union style decision making and you inevitably get inefficiency, corruption, economic chaos and eventually economic collapse. There is nothing unknown about this, it has been demonstrated many times in many countries. Socialism does not work. No amount of good intentions, government programs, or spending money can make it work.
Case in point: You think health care costs are stressful now? Just wait until Obamas bureaucrats decide to control costs by rationing and denial of care. Taking decisions and responsibility away from people, even if the people want it, is not good for them in the long term. Being a Lotus-Eater is a bad idea. I suppose in a democracy (as opposed the constitutional republic the USA used to be) if people want to become Lotus-Eaters the government is only too happy to oblige.
“My idea of living is taking risks for causes.”
I don’t know what Taleb means by this, but after a lifetime of the outraged activism of others, his idea of living sound like hell to me.
The right to work laws in Wisconsin and Michigan are refreshing exceptions to the rule, as citizens and enlightened pols see the writing on the wall and do not want to lose manufacturing jobs to other states and other countries.
One BMW line sold Worldwide is produced soley in Spartanburg, South Carolina, with more to come.
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Mamet, again:
The Founders recognized that Government is quite literally a necessary evil, that there must be opposition, between its various branches, and between political parties, for these are the only ways to temper the individual’s greed for power and the electorates’ desires for peace by submission to coercion or blandishment.
Healthy government, as that based upon our Constitution, is strife. It awakens anxiety, passion, fervor, and, indeed, hatred and chicanery, both in pursuit of private gain and of public good. Those who promise to relieve us of the burden through their personal or ideological excellence, those who claim to hold the Magic Beans, are simply confidence men. Their emergence is inevitable, and our individual opposition to and rejection of them, as they emerge, must be blunt and sure; if they are arrogant, willful, duplicitous, or simply wrong, they must be replaced, else they will consolidate power, and use the treasury to buy votes, and deprive us of our liberties. It was to guard us against this inevitable decay of government that the Constitution was written. Its purpose was and is not to enthrone a Government superior to an imperfect and confused electorate, but to protect us from such a government.
- David Mamet
The Declaration
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General
Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the
rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good
People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United
Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they
are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political
connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be
totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power
to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do
all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the
support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine
Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our
sacred Honor.
“So we should embrace the stress, and not be discouraged by it. Yes, it’s tough, but it also toughens. And that toughness will valuable in the near future.”
Leo, it sounds like you should hire me to do your kitchen renovation.
Another happy outcome, related no doubt, to union defeats:
Chrysler to become a stand-alone private company; the freed Daimler remains public.
It is shaping up to be an amicable divorce after a frigid nine-year marriage. Only three months after the Valentine’s Day (Feb. 14) bombshell that the Daimler side of DaimlerChrysler wanted a legal separation comes the announcement out of Stuttgart, Germany, that New York-based private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP will pay $7.45 billion for 80.1 percent of Chrysler. Former parent DaimlerChrysler AG will retain 19.9 percent custody.
The American arm of the automaker that was created with the $36 billion “merger of equals” in 1998 of the former Daimler-Benz and the former Chrysler Group will become a private company.
There are no more synergies to be found between the Chrysler Group and Mercedes Car Group, DC chairman Dieter Zetsche said in making the announcement May 14.
By the time the deal receives all the necessary approvals (by the DC supervisory board in Germany and Cerberus board here), as well as meeting all regulatory requirements, it likely will be fall before the final divorce papers are signed.
At that time, the companies will don new monikers.
They will become Chrysler Holding LLC, the Auburn Hills, MI-based maker of Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicles; and Daimler AG, the Stuttgart-based maker of luxury vehicles, small cars, buses, vans, and trucks for such nameplates as Mercedes, Smart, and Maybach.
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7. mr_oni:
Wouldn’t a do it yourself project by Leo produce a better outcome wrt toughness?
Mr Oni…
Leo III is a general contractor.
To a New Yorker agita is how you know that you are alive. You will sleep when you are dead.
The chains on the Founders federal government of competitive federalism were broken by the Civil War. That resulted in the shift to cartel federalism, which is really just another term for corrupt statist centralization or fascism. The XVIIth Amendment sealed the deal by turning the states from Masters into mere functionaries enslaved to the central government. By smashing the Founders system, which others both North and South warned they were going to do, the Fire Breathers of South Carolina set the stage to turn the whole country into a duplicate of their vision of a plantation ruled by a false aristocracy supported by cartel rents and chattel labor.
Teddy Roosevelt probably sincerely believed that he saw the corruption of crony capitalism and thought that Progressivism was needed to fight it. The Progressive Democrats like Woodrow Wilson were only to happy to take the tools crafted by Republicans like TR and Lincoln and use them to their own advantage.
The Democrats won the Civil War. The only issue under dispute was who would control the levers of power of the new Leviathan state. That was at most a temporary question. The leaders of the Old South temporarily lost control of the federal government but soon regained their grip on the new expanded center of power. In part they did that by presaging the current Democratic Party policies, on immigration race morality sexuality etc. and creating antagonistic special interest voting blocs, for dealing with recalcitrant voters like the Republicans of 19th century Michigan and Illinois. If you do not like your voters then replace them with more compliant voters.
The Shot Heard ‘Round the World was fired when the central government, as represented by the Redcoats, sought to seize the guns of the citizen’s militia, The Minutemen, stored in an armory in Concord, Massachsetts.
Blert @ 3 – The Davis Bacon Act is a federal law that can be repealed by the federal government. The New Jersey laws requiring union labor to do hurricane re-building are a state problem that Chris Christie (RINO-NJ) should declare null and void under the emergency powers granted to him as Governor.
Less bluster and more action Mr. Christie!!! A larger pool of men and women with shovels means that “shovel ready jobs” will be done much, much faster! If you are a man of your word, you have “15 minutes”.
I implore you do not stay too close to stress. You go days without sleep a putting a gun to your head seems the only way out with your worship of false gods in Babylon like the constitution in their rebellion against the King , God forgive them seemingly having to go through the civil war curse of flowing rivers of blood
King Nebuchadnezzer in his stress wanting to save his Babylon was driven mad and became a wild beast for 7 long years until God save him
Now the defense of THE HOLY TEMPLE of God is worth the risk in relation to the True God and if nation has these holy ones , these innocent lambs , a mere child shall lead them perhaps this is why God hand mercy on the King of Babylon to deliver the chosen from evil yet the ring of power on the finger of a mortal man is a power that angels fear to take upon themselves to not fall into the grasp of very powerful Sauron as the fallen angel that presented himself to the child Mormon joseph to hope to take over USA someday failed as Mormons turn to Jesus Christ their Lord
Another look at stress, or “de-stressing”
Sorry about the length, but there is a tale here….
School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
School Shooting Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression
School Hostage Situation Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage
School Shooting Plot Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack
School Shooting Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self
School Shooting Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded
School Stabbings Antidepressants 2001-06-09 Japan **Eight Dead: 15 Wounded: Assailant Had Taken 10 Times his Normal Dose of Depression Med
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 1998-05-21 Oregon **Four Dead: Twenty Injured
School Stabbing Med For Depression 2011-10-25 Washington **Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition
School Shooting Antidepressant 2006-09-30 Colorado **Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self
School Machete Attack Med for Depression 2001-09-26 Pennsylvania **Man Attacks 11 Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School
School Shooting Related Luvox 1993-07-23 Florida **Man Commits Murder During Clinical Trial for Luvox: Same Drug as in COLUMBINE: Never Reported
School Hostage Situation Cymbalta Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2009-11-09 New York **Man With Gun Inside School Holds Principal Hostage
School Shooting Antidepressants 1992-09-20 Texas **Man, Angry Over Daughter’s Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary School
School Shooting SSRI 2010-02-19 Finland **On Sept. 23, 2008 a Finnish Student Shot & Killed 9 Students Before Killing Himself
School Shooting Threat Med for Depression* 2004-10-19 New Jersey **Over-Medicated Teen Brings Loaded Handguns to School
School Shooting Antidepressant? 2007-04-18 Virginia **Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
School Shooting Antidepressant? 2002-01-17 Virginia **Possible SSRI Withdrawal Mania: 3 Dead at Law School
School Incident/Bizarre Zoloft* 2010-08-22 Australia **School Counselor Exhibits Bizarre Behavior: Became Manic On Zoloft
School/Assault Antidepressant 2009-11-04 California **School Custodian Assaults Student & Principal: Had Manic Reaction From Depression Med
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 1992-01-30 Michigan **School Teacher Shoots & Kills His Superintendent at School
School Shooting Threats Celexa Antidepressant 2010-01-25 Virginia **Senior in High School Theatens to Kill 4 Classmates: Facebook Involved: Bail Denied
School Violence/Murder Antidepressants* 1998-05-04 New York **Sheriff’s Deputy Shoots his Wife in an Elementary School
School Knifing/Murder Meds For Depression & ADHD 2010-04-28 Massachusetts **Sixteen Year Old Kills 15 Year Old in High School Bathroom in Sept. 2009
School Stabbing Wellbutrin 2006-12-04 Indiana **Stabbing by 17 Year Old At High School: Charged with Attempted Murder
School Threat Antidepressants 2007-04-23 Mississippi **Student Arrested for Making School Threat Over Internet
School Suspension Lexapro Antidepressant 2007-07-28 Arkansas **Student Has 11 Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro
School Shooting Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-11-07 Finland **Student Kills 8: Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland
School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2004-02-09 New York **Student Shoots Teacher in Leg at School
School Threat Prozac Antidepressant 2008-01-25 Washington **Student Takes Loaded Shotgun & 3 Rifles to School Parking Lot: Plans Suicide
School Shooting Plot Med For Depression 1998-12-01 Wisconsin **Teen Accused of Plotting to Gun Down Students at School
School/Assault Zoloft Antidepressant 2006-02-15 Tennessee **Teen Attacks Teacher at School
School Shooting Threat Antidepressant 1999-04-16 Idaho **Teen Fires Gun in School
School Hostage Situation Paxil & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-15 Washington **Teen Holds Classmates Hostage with a Gun
School Hostage Situation Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2006-11-28 North Carolina **Teen Holds Teacher & Student Hostage with Gun
School Knife Attack Med for Depression 2006-12-06 Indiana **Teen Knife Attacks Fellow Student
School Massacre Plot Prozac Withdrawal 2011-02-23 Virginia **Teen Sentenced to 12 Years in Prison For Columbine Style Plot
School Shooting Celexa & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-19 California **Teen Shoots at Classmates in School
School Shooting Celexa Antidepressant 2006-08-30 North Carolina **Teen Shoots at Two Students: Kills his Father: Celexa Found Among his Personal Effects
Blert @ 3 – Were those contractors that made “an absolute killing”, also the guys who built Hoover Dam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_dam (begun in 1931) and which had its “naming rights” stolen by FDR when he called it “Boulder Dam??
FDR couldn’t admit Herbert Hoover did anything right, could he?
And among those “Six Companies” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Companies,_Inc. was Kaiser Industries as in the parent of Kaiser Shipyards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Shipyards of WW II Liberty Ship fame?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship
And Kaiser Permanente of healthcare fame? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente
Those contractors??????????
Seems to me the American People did all right too!
BTW – Kaiser’s partner Bechtel, was the general contractor for killing The Hell Fires of Kuwait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MpO9Pox2Q
doug@8: It is shaping up to be an amicable divorce after a frigid nine-year marriage. Only three months after the Valentine’s Day (Feb. 14) bombshell that the Daimler side of DaimlerChrysler wanted a legal separation comes the announcement out of Stuttgart, Germany, that New York-based private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP will pay $7.45 billion for 80.1 percent of Chrysler. Former parent DaimlerChrysler AG will retain 19.9 percent custody
That’s news is almost six years old isn’t it?
Blast @ 10 “To a New Yorker agita is how you know that you are alive. You will sleep when you are dead.”
Oh, how true that is. I spent my college years in NYC and that shaped my worldview more than anything else except for living abroad as a child.
One of my friends/coworkers and I were having a discussion about 3 years ago in which I was lamenting that I thought by now life would have entered some steady state of predictability. My problem was that since we worked together in a small company from 1994-2001, then lived 2001-2005 as employees to the large firm that acquired us, and I left in 2005 to start a small business there has been nothing but IMMENSE stress. He left the big company in 2008 to come work with me. His insight was, it’s not the environment that is stressing you – it’s you stressing your environment. I had never seen myself through that prism. His observation was that I seek stress and where it does not exist, I will push to create circumstances for stress. The problem is mine and it will never go away.
Since accepting that, life has been much easier. I found that Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi work on “flow” was insightful. For whatever reason, I have begun to see the same patterns of behavior in others with whom I enjoy working and observe success. Up to some point in history, America’s wide open potential attracted people with these “genes/memes” and made us a great country. It seems today’s social safety net attracts the indolent, dependent, risk averse.
Where is the new frontier? I want to go there if we cannot fix this.
At 300,000 citizens per congressional district, there is no representation possible. Suburban votes are swallowed whole by their neighboring cities ending any chance of representation or the opportunity to block populist legislation.
If representative government is to survive, its citizens must be represented within the halls of power. If we cannot radically reduce the size of congressional districts, then perhaps we could break the link between congressional districts and geographic representation.
One of the major problems that conservatives seem to have is spending THEIR money to save lives. A prevalent belief among conservatives is that if an individual is not able to deal with their own problems, then what ever happens to them is evolution in action. Yet when liberals attempt to deal with health problems by providing advice and discussions on how to deal with possible terminal illnesses, this is called “death panels”.
I believe that one of the major reasons for the recent debacle in the political process in America is the constant repetition by the republican candidates of the position that, roughly translated, “I’ve got mine and I intend to keep it and anyone who doesn’t agree with that is urged to starve to death”. In my humble opinion, this will never be a winning position unless some way is put forward by the republican party to actively help the less fortunate achieve their maximum potential. I freely admit that there will always be a group who, even when given the opportunity to achieve their maximum potential, will not be able to support themselves. It is my belief, that if all those in our society who are capable of living productively when given the opportunity to succeed and who are taught in the beliefs of our original constitutional founders, innovative ways will be found to care in a compassionate manner for those who cannot care for themselves.
Rugged self reliance is a winning position when there are no alternatives. But it is truly a comfort knowing that someone has your back. Contrary to the propaganda machines, battles are not won by individual charges but rather by well trained squad, platoon and higher organizations in battle.
I know that this will not be a popular position on this particular blog, but before you pull out the pitchforks and torches, play a mind game with me for a moment. If, through magic or God’s grace (pick whichever you believe in), you were given ultimate power for a time, what steps would you take to restore this nation to the grand experiment that it can and should be with only one restriction on your power. Thou shalt not kill. A paradox, no?
14. MSO:
Uhh, yeah!
In my enthusiasm to prove a connection, I missed the date!
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So I guess Cerberus/Chrysler got the Federal Bailout?
Wretchard, “And only a strong Federal Government could effectively enforce a cartel of states.” this describes why “Lincoln” killed American Freedom! those states which wanted to practice “competitive federalism” where brought to heel by those states that wanted “Cartel federalism”! Does 0bama continuing insistence in comparing himself to Lincoln make more sense… 0bama insistence on continuing MLK “legacy” was really MLK’s fondness for socialism. 0bama speaks a lot of his intentions in the intentions of others, knowing the masses are mislead to those who have been hoisted as great American hero’s but whose real life may not be as they have been lead to know.
“without stress there is no long-term survival”
Stress is just another word for competition. Competition makes athletes lean and institutions focused. At the federal level we have a competition of sorts between the branches of government and even our armed services have competing factions. Each and every one of these structures is broken down in a competitive hierarchy.
The buy the world a coke meme I believe attempts to mock the idea that if we all just hold hands and think happy thoughts (visualize world peace) all the problems in the world will disappear. Al Quada will make peace with the Jews, immigration will be more people to hold hands with and the oceans will recede.
But order seeks granularity so we evolve from the Ten Commandments to where the US Tax Code contains nearly 5.6 million words; the complexity defying the desire for precision and producing its own kind of ambiguity instead. We use the law to substitute for common sense but instead become dependent on specialized intrepetation and decisions. Out of this complexity comes a credentialed class of administrators who profit for the complexity, many of whom become law makers. And thus the anti-competitive institution is born.
In all fairness these laws are piled upon one another through public fervor whipped up by media more than willing to ingratiate themselves by championing these causes. What’s ominous though is public opinion is so easily shaped when there are no critical controls in the organs of media and the media actually begins to lag proactive legislation brought forth not from need but ideological reasons. They no longer act as a third party opinion but strongly favor serving unfiltered information within a political framework.In other words, they have become mere organs of propagana; a monopoly of opinion to serve the LoFo.
In short, public interest is formed from a political ideology promulgated by the ruling institutions rather than the public interest informing legislative action thus molding law to ever prefer singular rule with unquestioned authority. Where there is competition there is stress and looking at the recent Supreme Court decisions it is hard to see where any of this stress forms a balance of powers.
So fear of competition has led us to accept a monopoly of power that spells the final stages of tyranny. There once was a concern that if you exercised too much you would become unable to move, become rigid, become muscle bound. Regulations have throttled the American economy and we have become moribund in our own way. Competition brings uncertainty, and despite the awful proclamations of the Democrat Party, that uncertainty has brought the most prosperity for-all the world has ever known. The nation needs to limber up with less laws and more laisse faire and let the stress happen at the edges rather than the middle.
And just to belabor the obvious some more, regarding the War on Women???
ROSIE THE RIVETER WAS NOT A UNION WORKER.
She was often a housewife who got her big break in the labor force and was trained on the job.
From another source, I’ve heard this expressed somewhat differently. “Adversity is unavoidable, stress is optional”. Maybe someone better at etymology could weigh-in on the vocabulary of this.
It seems to me that mankind is on the horns of a dilemma. (Yes, they have horns. At least the males do – Look it up on Wikipedia).
We struggle to overcome adversity, but if we remove all adversity, mankind fails to flourish. Without attack, the immune system withers and will fail the more consequential attack.
Translated into the current context, if government provides the necessities of life (clothing, shelter, sustenance, health care, and maybe a little discretionary spending money for entertainment) people stop striving. They descend into indolence and become helpless, hapless wards of government.
Doug, re the Chrysler article – you know that’s a story from 2007, right? Since then Cerberus has lost their entire investment and Our Glorious Leader handed what was left of Chrysler over to FIAT for next to nothing. Chrysler now is largely a rebranding operation for an Italian car company, although they are still going to build some jeeps in China. (yes they are, even though this was denounced and denied when it was brought up last fall)
8. Doug
The Cerberus group buyout dates to 2007.
Teh Won stiffed them or successor later.
Is that stress or not???
tom
23. wws
Somehow, after an edit, my name was changed to “undefined” in #18 above.
Programmer #17:
“In my humble opinion, this will never be a winning position unless some way is put forward by the republican party to actively help the less fortunate achieve their maximum potential.”
This brings to mind a Frank and Earnest cartoon. Two disheveled looking guys are sitting on a park bench. One says:
“At times I am afraid that I am not living up to my potential. At other times I am terrified that I am.”
Maybe the people lined up to get “Obamamoney” from his “stash” or the ones asking Obama for a kitchen at a campaign rally are indeed attaining their “maximum potential.” Which ain’t very much. At all.
Nassim could be the guy wearing a George Soros mask… Inventing terms, leveraging this and that, using bizarre metaphors, blah blah blah. “Reason.tv” appears to be a rightwing version of trutv (a bunch of lefty frauds).
I’m skeptical.
bftp @ 10: To a New Yorker agita is how you know that you are alive. You will sleep when you are dead.
am @ 20: Stress is just another word for competition.
Nietsche @ 1888: That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
Lao Tzu @ 680BC: Therefore the Master acts without doing anything and teaches without saying anything.
Things arise and she lets them come; things disappear and she lets them go.
She has but doesn’t possess, acts but doesn’t expect.
When her work is done, she forgets it.
That is why it lasts forever.
.38 Special @ 1974: Just Hold On Loosely
But don’t let go
If you cling too tightly
You’re gonna lose control
Your baby needs someone to believe in
And a whole lot of space to breathe in.
Tom Bombadil @ 3018: None has ever caught him yet
For Tom he is the master,
His songs are stronger songs
And his feet are faster.
17. programmr
“One of the major problems that conservatives seem to have is spending THEIR money to save lives. A prevalent belief among conservatives is that if an individual is not able to deal with their own problems, then what ever happens to them is evolution in action.”
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Yet it is a fact that conservatives give more to charity, than do liberals who love to give away other people’s money.
Compare Romney’s charitable giving to Obama’s or Biden’s.
programmr @17,
Rugged self reliance is a winning position when there are no alternatives. But it is truly a comfort knowing that someone has your back. Contrary to the propaganda machines, battles are not won by individual charges but rather by well trained squad, platoon and higher organizations in battle.
Beautifully put, and spot-on. I might take it further: it’s not just a comfort for someone to have your back, it’s a necessity. We are social beings; “rugged self-reliance” as a general principal fails, for physical, psychological, and spiritual reasons.
Two great myths of our age are:
I think they’re both seen as ways of reducing stress: the first, by removing the interference of meddling neighbors and institutions, the second by removing the burden of caring for myself and others.
However, they both lead to systems that are fragile, to use Taleb’s terminology. Why? Because they insulate you from the stresses that keep you healthy.
I know that this will not be a popular position on this particular blog, but before you pull out the pitchforks and torches, play a mind game with me for a moment. If, through magic or God’s grace (pick whichever you believe in), you were given ultimate power for a time, what steps would you take to restore this nation to the grand experiment that it can and should be with only one restriction on your power. Thou shalt not kill. A paradox, no?
Interesting mind game. Not sure of all the steps, but probably the first one would be to ban forever any man’s exercise of ultimate power. Of course, having done that, I’d couldn’t go any further, so maybe that is all the steps.
In all seriousness, I think the point is that concentrating power in large scale systems is a bad idea. Always. Taleb, Greve, and Tocqueville might have different takes on why, but it’s the same message. But that’s far different from saying that you’re on your own. There’s plenty of space between N=1 and N=300,000,000.
Cheers,
L3
“Case in point: You think health care costs are stressful now? Just wait until Obamas bureaucrats decide to control costs by rationing and denial of care.”
This is already happening. Obamacare seeks to shut down foreign sales of medications. I buy meds from Canada for ~$20 a month and as opposed to Walmart at ~$250 a month. Obamacare is a political tool to enact ideological genocide on enemies of Marxism.
“It was so bad, so persistent, that containerization swept the industry.”
The corruption of the Los Angeles harbor by ULWU workers is massive. It is so pervasive that it defies explanation; the average dumb-ass thug makes $150k a year and most of them hardly work at all. In short, it is an extortion racket, plain and simple.
“I’ve got mine and I intend to keep it and anyone who doesn’t agree with that is urged to starve to death”.
I translate this as to mean that honest pursuit of opportunity leads to personal success and that taking no personal responsibility leads to despair and failure.
“the republican party to actively help the less fortunate achieve their maximum potential”
This is what education is supposed to make possible. The problem is that regulation, unions, and globalization work in concert to move opportunities offshore. Those opportunities are gone. Only the more than equal will thrive in a diminishing standard of wealth. Those who have your back have closed the door of opportunity.You seem to be advocating outcomes. Minority unemployment and poverty have accelerated under the Blue model programmr as well as my own design margin. My personal situation has gone from middle class to poverty. Those are the outcomes you speak of.
The last four years have been precisely the remedy that you put forth and it has made the poor poorer and the rich richer. You have had your chance. What is your idea of fixing this problem that does not just say much more of the same?
Great comments at The Housing Bubble Blog
Look what I just found: http://www.homepath.com/financing.html
The government is now into bulk lending to LLCs at the low, low rate of 3%.
I’m sick to my stomach. I’m waiting to buy my retirement home in North San Diego County and have $150k cash to put down but I’m being priced out of the market by my own government. They are now helping the REITs take over housing in the U.S.
The government has become the predatory stalking horse for private mega-corporations.
—
“Homepath.com”
by Fannie Mae
His story checks out if you trust all those New York Times references.
It sounds like an economic application of Fourth Way scholars ala G.I. Gurdjieff. If Hubbard wanted to stop engrams, his idea was to actually cause them (“stressors” you might say) as a sort of learning experience… I must study this.
In short, “stress” is creative destruction and attempts to eliminate tends to punish all.
I don’t think stress in and of itself is inherently good or bad. It’s just inevitble sooner or later. The question lies with the human engineering. Flexibility likely survives the stress. Big, “strong” and rigid gets ripped apart, sooner or later.
I have, over the past four years at least and maybe somewhat longer than that, noticed a phenomenon in which we are continually assailed by attacks on our conservative beliefs (touchstones is perhaps more descriptive). It seems like these are targets of opportunities presented by “crises”, some of which are ginned up crises. In the past four years we have seen a trillion dollar giveaway, largely to political pals, a takeover of corporations, get out of jail cards for idiot mortgagees, an attempt at cap and trade along with a profusion of business killing rule-making from the EPA, a continuing debacle in foreign affairs based on a bankrupt ideological model, shutting down the oil industry and many, many more. A number of these are promulgated at a time, but there seems no great attempt to gain policy changes (though they continue to rake in the low-hanging political fruit), just keep the stress level up. As each falls by the wayside, one or two more totally unrelated issues are brought forward so that the end result is sort of a rolling attack, not necessarily on policy but on our will to respond or fight back. The end result on the conservative side is a sort of numbness or, worse, cynicism. I may be paranoid or perhaps I read too much political commentary, but the number of these things and the rapidity with which they hit almost seems calculated to achieve some kind of psychological end. It’s as if they have an organization (more Czars?) that exists simply to steadily churn out these attacks.
I am struck by the resemblance of this phenomenon to the Effects Based Operations developed by the U.S. Army and described by Richard in a post in 2008 (http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/19/a-simple-plan/). This model attempts to achieve a “…strategic outcome based on a synergistic, multiplicative, and cumulative application of a full range of military and non-military capabilities at the tactical, operational, and strategic levels…” all aimed at finding the keystone for totally defeating the enemy. Mattis didn’t believe in the concept because, among other things, he felt that the enemy would adapt quickly and counter the operations. Of course Mattis wasn’t fighting as feckless an enemy as the Republican party.
It would seem that the counter to this strategy, recognized by Mattis, is to work inside their OODA Loop (http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000172.html). To achieve that we need a conservative counter to the Progressives that has a firm grasp of conservative principles, an articulate communications ability, a strategic core able to anticipate issues, and guts enough to engage in a street fight. I don’t see that and I don’t see that the old gray men of the current Republican party are capable of providing it. For what it’s worth, I don’t see it in the Libertarian bunch either.
The tempo is increasing because the forces of totalitarianism see themselves as being within inches of seizing the ring of power. Gun control by the Stalinist *rude word* Feinstein, and now immigration “reform” by the bipartisan *another rude word* traitors of the Senate.
Swamp the natives with a massive influx of invaders with no ties to this country, while at the same time seizing the native’s means of self defense and defiance to the will of their “betters”.
Could they be any more obvious, and could the majority of our population be any more blind?
BattleofthePyramids: Black swan events are more a matter of knowledge as opposed to the events themselves. We know we are all going to die one day; but a diagnosis of cancer can be a black swan event for us personally. If we are wise we prepare, have our things in order and our dependants looked after. If we are silly, our failure causes pain far beyond what happens to us.
Continued high unemployment and economic stagnation is a black swan event for the administration and monetary authorities. They don’t get it. Still I run across statements that inflation can’t happen with the stagnant economy and high unemployment. I’m not that old but I remember that very thing.
The problem is that the effects hurt everyone. If some fool figures that a weakened US means they can, I dunno, re-occupy eastern Europe, being right makes no difference.
The World’s Poorest President
Jose Mujica, the leader of Urugauy, has been dubbed the poorest President in the world. As the BBC explains:
Laundry is strung outside the house. The water comes from a well in a yard, overgrown with weeds. Only two police officers and Manuela, a three-legged dog, keep watch outside.
This is the residence of the president of Uruguay, Jose Mujica, whose lifestyle clearly differs sharply from that of most other world leaders.
President Mujica has shunned the luxurious house that the Uruguayan state provides for its leaders and opted to stay at his wife’s farmhouse, off a dirt road outside the capital, Montevideo.
The president and his wife work the land themselves, growing flowers.
AnnoyMouse@32: Obamacare seeks to shut down foreign sales of medications. I buy meds from Canada for ~$20 a month and as opposed to Walmart at ~$250 a month. Obamacare is a political tool to enact ideological genocide on enemies of Marxism.
You realize, don’t you, that Canada threatens drug companies that they will use the equivalent of ‘Letters of Marque’ to enable Canadian manufacturers to illegally produce drugs that are not priced to meet Canadian price controls?
Canadian drugs are cheaper only because they are effectively stolen. Any attempt by the US government to enforce Canadian price controls here will result in a huge decline in research and development of new drugs.
LLLII says:
“In all seriousness, I think the point is that concentrating power in large scale systems is a bad idea. Always. Taleb, Greve, and Tocqueville might have different takes on why, but it’s the same message. But that’s far different from saying that you’re on your own. There’s plenty of space between N=1 and N=300,000,000.”
Programmr replies:
I agree, Leo. Complex systems require complex solutions to fix complex problems. In fact, in my jaded experience, I’ve found that eventually the cost of problem solving far exceeds the benefits. When I have been given the opportunity, I have left the existing system in place and started a replacement system in parallel. When the new simpler parallel system provides the desired functionality, it is gradually and carefully phased into production and the old system is phased out. I have only had the luxury of doing this to an extremely large system once in my long career as system designer/integrator. And to put it into “system speak”, it required messianic fervor on the part of the stakeholders as my advocates to justify the time and cost. The results were deemed worth it in the end. Another method is to gradually replace the underlying infrastructure (without tipping the top over) piece by piece until the existing top level is no longer required. In large software and hardware systems this replacement is relatively painless after all the lower levels have bee converted. In a bureaucracy it’s more problematic. Thank you for the opportunity to express these thoughts. All this should sound familiar to you.
Annoy Mouse says:
“The last four years have been precisely the remedy that you put forth and it has made the poor poorer and the rich richer. You have had your chance. What is your idea of fixing this problem that does not just say much more of the same?”
Programmr replies:
I will agree that much business opportunity has been shipped overseas. As this process rapidly accelerated for reasons which have been discussed in many posts here at BC, unemployment has skyrocketed. You do me too much honor to imply I have a conceptual model that will, at least in my own opinion, solve the problems of our world. Unfortunately, I have no model. I am merely observing the world through the lens of the laptop on my desk. However, in my opinion, the democratic party is doing its best to care for the unemployed. It is doing its best to care for those who need inexpensive Health Care. The republicans, not so much. So once again, I claim, that the past election was no surprise to me. A disappointment, perhaps, based on my own personal conservative beliefs. But the doctrine of more austerity being preached by the wealthy to garner the votes of those who were already living austerely just doesn’t compute. So to sum up, I’m not sure you and I disagree. However, I will say the last four years did not go the way I wanted. Also, I would like to say as I wander off to get another cup of tea, that the democrats are accused of saying, “Never let a crisis go to waste.”, I would like to propose for the conservatives a new motto, “Within every disaster lie the seeds of opportunity”. Annoy Mouse, fellow BC’r, what opportunities are in your neighborhood?
leo@31: Beautifully put, and spot-on. I might take it further: it’s not just a comfort for someone to have your back, it’s a necessity. We are social beings; “rugged self-reliance” as a general principal fails, for physical, psychological, and spiritual reasons
You’ve omitted one the prime responsibilities of this relationship; namely that one can have my back only when I can have his back. Too many want have their back covered but are unwilling to reciprocate. This is the major failure of government, in my opinion, because the government has everyone’s back with no way to test reciprocity.
Really?
Salvation Army
John 3:16 missions
Thousands of mend crisis pregnancy centers
Habitat for Humanity
These are but a few of hundreds I could provide as example.
All have a Christian foundation, are in large part funded by churches of a “Conservative bent”, and apparently have no Leftist or liberal equivalent as you would call them to the best of my knowledge.
One of the things I find so unedifying about leftists like programmr is either their profound ignorance of the way things really are, or the fact that they are so willingly untruthful.
Leo @ 31 – What one lesson could one learn? To be humble. Even God struggles with the Law of Unintended Consequences. He created Eve and she is such a BITCH when she has PMS!
Why else would Mary have been created a virgin?
Because then she never would have had to suffer from PMS!
DougRek @ 13 – Plus both the Batman and Newtown killers have fathers allegedly involved in the LIBOR scandal.
programmr declines the opportunity to respond to
# 30. Doug
The facts remain the same, nevertheless.
I think that stress was built right into the American Constitution as a feature of the American system of government.
American central government between 1781 and 1789 was a child of the Articles of Confederation. The discipline imposed upon the colonies by the war against the British relaxed and the central government became too weak to deal with mounting disaffection and disorder in domestic affairs. Just what was the Revolution supposed to have meant in domestic affairs?
The new country also suffered a post war economic depression that affected external trade and currency problems were caused by the independence of individual states. The central government was accused of neglecting American economic interests in its conduct of relations with other countries. Hence the constitutional convention and the American Constitution coming into effect in 1788.
Among other things the American Constitution aimed to fix the weaknesses of the previous post-revolutionary central government – confusion in domestic affairs and pursuit of American economic interests. Its three key features were: it was Republican; it was based on Federalism; and it adopted the theory that all governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed (principle of popular sovereignty).
The first ten amendments to the constitution laid down fundamental rights, yet these were presumably as much open to re-amendment at the hands of popular sovereignty as any other part of the constitution. That is why Americans have often been confused about whether democratic principles consist in following the wishes of the majority or in upholding certain fundamental rights. This is the central stress inducing feature built into the American Constitution.
Federalism promoted the rise of the Supreme Court as an instrument of Constitutional Review. American Federal Governments have played upon the principle of popular sovereignty, the idea of fundamental rights and the Supreme Court as if they were a three-string fiddle. The fiddle has always been played with the aim of increasing the federal Govenment’s centralized power.
They have successfully played this fiddle so that the very idea of government as servant of the people has been turned upside down. (Other Nations have seen the fiddle played with local variations but with similar success).
Now, simply by successfully accumulating vast central power, the Federal government has raised American domestic stress levels almost to the breaking point. The only thing that can prevent a domestic civil disaster is for the people to withdraw their consent to be governed in this way.
The ways to do this within the Constitution are to withdraw the voter’s consent for the Republican and Democratic federal political parties in their present form to represent them and for the States to withdraw their consent to Federal Government powers over them that are way beyond the bounds prescribed by the Constitution.
Doug says:
“programmr declines the opportunity to respond to
# 30. Doug
The facts remain the same, nevertheless.”
programmr reluctantly responds to Doug:
Doug, I have no facts about charitable giving by either liberals or conservatives that I can or will offer in rebuttal. My gut reaction to your comment about the recent candidates is that what you state is probably true for those specific individuals. Can this be generalized? I don’t know. In my opinion the problems of current unemployment and health care far outstrip the capability of charitable institutions to address. If you have concrete examples of conservative charitable organizations successfully meeting the needs of the current situation, I would be interested in seeing them. I am prepared to be wrong, but I would also bet that those that are succeeding are receiving large bundles of cash from the government, which of course means your and my taxes which, in turn, is being provided by the current regime. Meals on Wheels, which is a charitable organization that my daughter was heavily involved with, is running into heavy going and is having to cut back on their services.
If I may, how much of your income do you donate to charity? Or do you feel that Romney’s donation covers you? I’m not really interested in numbers since I feel you probably donate as much as you can, but how many people does that help and how many are left unhelped?
#18.
“If, through magic or God’s grace (pick whichever you believe in), you were given ultimate power for a time, what steps would you take to restore this nation to the grand experiment that it can and should be with only one restriction on your power. Thou shalt not kill. A paradox, no?”
No, it isn’t.
1. Pass the amendment; The Federal Government shall spend no more than 80% of each years tax revenues. The remaining 20% shall go to retiring the national debt. If forecasted expenditures exceed available funds then an equivalent percentage of EACH and EVERY Federal program WILL be cut.
2. PRIVATIZE Social Security, Medicare.
3.ELIMINATE; Dept. of Labor, Energy, Education, HUD, Agriculture, Homeland Security and the DEA.
4.Grant amnesty to all prison inmates serving time for drug possession, non-violent.
5.Decriminalise dope.
6.Return California to Mexico, or, annex Mexico – might as well have some fun.
7.Declare Antarctica to be the 51st. state and open it up to homesteading.
8. Take possession of the Moon and Mars and open them to homesteading.
9. Demolish Ft. Knox and declare that henceforth the National Gold Reserve must be stored in plain sight visible at all times. Stack it in front of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, which is under armed guard 24/7. Increase the guard as necessary.
Thats a good start, I’ll work out the details later, in true American fashion.
Tex Taylor says:
“One of the things I find so unedifying about leftists like programmr is either their profound ignorance of the way things really are, or the fact that they are so willingly untruthful.”
programmr responds:
Tex, as far as I know there are no or few leftists like me. And you have, indeed, clearly called out one of my great weaknesses which is that I am profoundly ignorant of the way things are. I frequently regret that I did not pay more attention to Quantum Mechanics when I was taking the course in college. I also regret I didn’t pursue graduate studies in Mathematics. I am abysmally ignorant about quantum entanglement, for example. My limited experience in applying Hamiltonians in the mathematical modeling of underground strata for a major oil company only leaves me aghast at how much remains unknown to me. However, I am trying to learn more. Thank you!
Ever angling, the Clintons actually took a tax deduction for donating used underwear (boxers or briefs not specified) to charity.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,999138,00.html#ixzz2JDGBoUYM
walter adams 49,
“9. Demolish Ft. Knox and declare that henceforth the National Gold Reserve must be stored in plain sight …”
Sir, you would unemploy Honor Blackman and deny the stage Pussy Galore, and you call yourself a man?
stevesmith @47,
The fiddle has always been played with the aim of increasing the federal Govenment’s centralized power.
Greve actually makes an interesting argument on this issue. His claim is that the Founders, distrustful of both centralized authority and the propensity of states to form cartels, created a framework where legislative authority was decentralized (through the enumerated powers doctrine and the Tenth Amendment), but the federal judiciary was entrusted with forcing state competition (through the Supremacy Clause and the dormant Commerce Clause).
I think he admits that this is ultimately an unworkable solution, because if the federal judiciary had sufficient real-world authority to hold the states’ feet to the competitive fire, it was only a matter of time before Congress used that same federal authority to establish and enforce cartels of their own design. The New Deal was the inflection point of that cartelization, although it builds upon decades of previous jurisprudence that established the principle that the federal government had authority over these matters. It was the New Deal that turned the Constitution upside down, from a competitive to a cartel federalism.
But for more than a century, there was not all that much centralization of power, certainly not fiscal power. Greve points out that the reason it took so long for this inversion to take place was factionalism. The 19th Century Supreme Court always tread carefully in exerting its authority; it may not have wanted to enable state cartels, but it was more fearful of driving the South out of the Union. So it walked a fine line between being procompetitive and pro-states rights. If it was too procompetitive, it would drive away the South; if it was too pro-states rights, it would impede the operation of a “common market,” which was viewed as essential to the nation’s survival.
After the Civil War, the states’ rights element went away, leaving the Court free to be unabashedly procompetitive. This gave it more and more power, until it reached the point where the federal writ was so broad that it was irresistible to Congress. It only needed a leader to take up the cudgel, and FDR was the man to do it. And once he pushed Congress to enact a cartel federalism program, and it was only a matter of time until the Court acquiesced. Which it did.
The big question, then, is whether the minimal amount of centralization in the 19th Century was due to extraordinary, unrepeatable circumstances, or whether there is a way to restore competitive federalism given current conditions.
It’s a fascinating theory, one that he backs up with LOTS of historical evidence. Well worth reading, if you’re willing to wade through lots of obscure constitutional cases.
Cheers,
L3
Programr. Question, when will you be satisfied that all are feed and all health care is taken care of? I can say that people starving to death because food was “unavailable” hasn’t happened in the USA in 40 years or better, healthcare is much the same for at least the last 30 years, only people who starve to death in America are those that ether choose to or because the person who was in authority choose to inflict it on them, look back to the Depression era and even then soup lines were there for those that would stand in line, same with health care, if you had/have a life threatening injury any hospital takes care of you until you are healthy enough to leave (or face massive lawsuits) yet liberals like yourself see no end to needing to provide more, free (0bama) phones, Credit cards that are used in strip joints and I am sure they will soon be used to purchase dope in those state Marijuana is legal, There needs to be, there must be a limit to what that I am “FORCED” to provide for others, giving so others can watch and tip nude women is “FAR” beyond that point! it seems liberals like you don’t think so…
“Antifragile” by Taleb is a very wide ranging work. I’m approximately 2/3 thru it and IMHO it is well worth reading for enjoyment and enlightenment. The book is about much more than the role of stressors, altho the importance of stressors is certainly a recurring theme in the book.
programmr – “Annoy Mouse, fellow BC’r, what opportunities are in your neighborhood?”
Well for me, the neighborhood is the problem. I moved to LA to help take care of my mother who has Alzheimer’s. I am a mechanical engineer by trade and have been gainfully employed all of my adult life around manufacturing. When commercial went south I worked in industrial, when industrial went south I worked in medical, when medical went south I worked in defense, now defense is on its knees and I am bouncing from one crappy project to the next while two companies that I worked for in 2012 went tits up.
My goal, when issues of my mother are put to rest, is to escape California and move to Texas or Florida where the government doesn’t seek to regulate business to death.
I’d rather have a decent job than an unemployment check. I’d rather have a $25 dollar a month prescription than a $250 one provided for me free of charge. I think the Dems are playing chicken with a cliff and have been circling the wagons to protect their power. I have said for going on 4 years now that everybody, especially the federal government need to take a 10% haircut. They are too busy trying to spread other people’s wealth around than curbing their own profligate spending. They have taken too much and spend too much which has sucked the life out of the private sector. That is my recommendation, now please implement it!
The Dems have screwed the pooch on every possible economic improvement by limiting access to energy and throwing support behind unions not to mention their onslaught of current laws. This hardly seems like a proper remedy for improving the business climate and raising the living standards of the middle class. Meanwhile they are aggresively pursuing radical social change with a back to the 60′s sentimentallity. The whole idea of the government as the main impetus of economic currency is unproven and in my view unsupported. The whole economy being “converted” into a green economy… really? What makes one so sure that they wouldn’t have to destroy the business environment that we have to acheive it and having done that, that the experiment will succeed. Marxism is a failed experiment and doing it one more time, but this time with “feeling” is insane. Confidence is currency in business and my confidence in government has gone from pretty high to it could not get any lower than contempt.
I can only say WTF?!?!?!
Black Hawks (?) running nighttime training missions in Miami with blanks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9ioCbqJCU
This must just be to push the paranoid among us one step over the line. Freakin’ bizarre.
18. programmr: “A prevalent belief among conservatives is that if an individual is not able to deal with their own problems, then what ever happens to them is evolution in action. Yet when liberals attempt to deal with health problems by providing advice and discussions on how to deal with possible terminal illnesses, this is called “death panels”.
1. Yes, this tends to be a belief among some conservatives. I don’t know what percent of conservatives believe what you claim is “prevalent”. However, the belief you highlight is tempered by a somewhat different conservative belief – that the government should provide a strong “safety net” to catch those who fall, but should not provide a “hammock” (and certainly not a wide screen TV and pitcher of pina coladas). This latter approach is more the “official” conservative position, altho you are correct that many conservatives hold the former view. I keep meaning to do some quick & dirty math (I’m about as far from a quant as one can get) on which system can provide a better safety net – the Statist approach of ever expanding government or a conservative approach that focuses on a faster growing economy, where a smaller percent of a larger pie is devoted to the “safety net”, providing more real resources to those in need than a bloated government presiding over a weak economy.
2. The reason they are called “death panels” is that a bunch of Federal Bureaucrats (IPAB)will be calling the shots and there will be no appeal. The very thought of this is abhorrent; it should send chills up the spine of anyone who gives it some thought. The obvious way to provide health care for those who can’t afford it is via subsidies to the individual that will allow them to participate in the market. Think Food Stamps. There may be many problems with Food Stamps, but at least that program does not have Big Brother intruding on the entire population; and there is no need for a Food Stamp IPAB (yet). Only an Orwellian mind could seek to inflict something like ObamaCare and the IPAB on America.
53. Leo Linbeck III
I think the minimal amount of centralization in the 19th century was mostly driven by the desire not to lose the South. The differences between the Northern and Southern States, in particularly the attitudes to slavery, were a big part of what I call “domestic confusion”.
One way to restore competitive federalism under current conditions might be to redefine the division of power between the feds and the States. Our Canadian Constitution has a simple and specific division of power between the Feds and the Provinces. There are areas where the Feds have exclusive jurisdiction, areas where the Provinces have exclusive jurisdiction and areas where there is joint jurisdiction. The main advantage that the feds have is that they are autonomous – their powers can’t be altered by any other government.
In practice, the Federal Government doesn’t have direct control over much of Canada and I’m not sure if it even owns much of the country. For example it doesn’t own the natural resources on and under the land except in the Federal Territories that have not yet become Provinces and in a few special cases like Indian reserves, Federal Armed Forces bases and National Parks. Certainly if a Provincial Park becomes a National Park then we say it has been “lost to Canada”.
This doesn’t stop the Feds from trying to gain control and influence through legislation and the creation of possibly illegal bureaucracies (a federal Forest Service for example) but it makes it real hard for them because the Provinces can and do fight back. This has kept the Canadian Federation a much looser one than in the U.S.
Perhaps this specific division of powers between the Feds and the States can only be done once, at the birth of a nation and would be impossible to revisit now. I assume that the U.S. Federal Government is also autonomous. If so, my choice for the U.S. would be for the States to buck and bite against Federal control of natural resources. Maybe start with the States taking over National Forests and the Federal Bureau of Land Management.
But I admit to being weak on what can realistically be achieved in rearranging Federal and State powers in current everyday America.
48. programmr
“In my opinion the problems of current unemployment and health care far outstrip the capability of charitable institutions to address.”
The problems of current unemployment and health care are caused by Big Government Programs.
Specifically wrt unemployment:
Redistributing vast sums to TBTF Wall Street Crooks and Unions which then give their tithe back to the administration.
Thus we need bigger government and more debt to solve the problems resulting from Big Government Deficit Spending.
Copy the Japanese Model and expect a different result.
Makes perfect sense.
…and no, I as an individual am not up to the task of fixing it.
Jeeze
…Meals on Wheels:
At my first place of work here, a retired physician with a beautiful beachside Condo and plenty of money, would partake of Meals on Wheels.
Should low income families be required to subsidize high income retirees?
Could Obama help his relatives living in huts and illegally on welfare here instead of obligating you and me with that responsibility?
Looking at that picture, I’d have to say Craig Pirrong is L3′s evil, redbearded Establishment worshiping twin.
Through a series of unfortunate health issues, bad decisions, etc, blah blah blah.
My family is on county & state assistance. It was a huge amount of stress we went through over the past 14 years.
It’s an experience I wouldn’t trade if I could.
I look at life challenges from a different angle. If I was to be bailed out at every turn, I would never have found the strength to face my inner “demons”.
That is to say my Bi-polar disease.
I was on a path to self-destruction.
To make a long story short. God blessed me with stress.
PS-Whomever said “The poor also have a responsibility to live within their means” also helped me greatly to realize and face up to the challenges. Thank you!
Radag@59: The reason they are called “death panels” is that a bunch of Federal Bureaucrats (IPAB)will be calling the shots and there will be no appeal. The very thought of this is abhorrent; it should send chills up the spine of anyone who gives it some thought.
Well, we can pay a gang banger’s rent for two years or pay for open heart surgery for one 72 year old man. When we consider the number of police, fire and EMT’s the average gang banger keeps employed, the choice is obvious.
58 @novanglus
That’s a bit unsettling. I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else. Admittedly, I don’t go to Alex Jones’ site, but I still check out some fringe news sources fairly regularly.
59. Radag Brown (formerly jimbo)
18. programmr: “A prevalent belief among conservatives is that if an individual is not able to deal with their own problems, then what ever happens to them is evolution in action. Yet when liberals attempt to deal with health problems by providing advice and discussions on how to deal with possible terminal illnesses, this is called “death panels”.
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What Obamacare will do is to shift government money from aging white population that have paid into the system to younger illegals and indigents who have not.
Programmer #19 “One of the major problems that conservatives seem to have is spending THEIR money to save lives”
That is a false cliche. The book *Who Really Cares: The surprising truth about compassionate conservatism* by Arthur C. Brooks presents sociological data showing that as a group, conservatives tend to be far more generous with their giving than liberals. I recommend it.
Radag @59
IIRC, the Death Panels are actually but one supreme death panel with, IIRC, some nineteen members.
Further, it is charged with coming up with save/don’t save spend/ don’t spend norms that are then to be applied nationally.
Under such a scheme, private money can’t buy treatment, as the indirect intention is to have the 99% dependent upon the kindness of the state.
Private insurance schemes must implode as the monarch ever expands benefits faster than premia can adjust — in an era of ZIRP.
Consequently, endowments, savings, retentions and every manner of financial assets will prove insufficient in private hands.
Only the hyper-inflationist, fiat issuing, government will be able to cover its tab.
Weimar Germany blew up because that government didn’t want to curtail railroad spending. It was deemed a universal good.
This time around, America should founder upon medical spending. It is now our universal good.
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It’s a falsity that military spending is any part of doing the Fedsury in. At this time, America’s military budget has shrunk to nearly constabulary levels.
Obama was always for single payer.
…except when he ran for POTUS.
When it comes, it will be seen to have been a feature, not a bug.
What kind of evil lurks in the hearts of men that profit from people’s sickness?
PBUH
@ #48 programmr
“… I don’t know. In my opinion the problems of current unemployment and health care far outstrip the capability of charitable institutions to address. If you have concrete examples of conservative charitable organizations successfully meeting the needs of the current situation, I would be interested in seeing them. I am prepared to be wrong, but I would also bet that those that are succeeding are receiving large bundles of cash from the government, …”
You should get out more.
My small, independent, “fundamentalist” church in San Diego county gives has a “benevolence” program that gives more to family support than any other charity in our area, as far as I know. It is supported by both church members and at least one private specialty grocery store (a well known chain, actually) which quietly donates unsaleable food. Nearly every Sunday we have tables overflowing with bread, which we sometimes partake because it truly exceeds our distribution system. We don’t advertise, we don’t solicit outside donations, yet the local welfare agencies have our program on “speed-dial” for the needy. No one has to be a member to receive charity from our church, though Pastor’s do screen for scam artists and both Pastors and laymen offer prayer and spiritual guidance.
Our church and our program is nothing special. The same thing is happening in every single town I’ve traveled to, in every state I’ve done business (as a computer consultant). PRIVATE, Christian-based “NGOs”, manned mostly by volunteers, are helping out those in need.
The anecdotal evidence is clear to me also, that liberals consider their “giving” done after they (or someone, anyone) pays taxes. A significant percentage of my family is liberal/left wing, and not coincidentally, all working for the government, or are indirectly supported by government programs (e.g. private child care programs catering to parents on government subsidies). Their general attitude, as far as I can tell, is that charity begins at home (and never leaves).
Now, I don’t think that bothers conservative such as myself, that they give less to charity than I might. To each their own. But we sure as heck get pissed when our liberal “betters” cite us as greedy or uncaring simply because we consider a combined 60%+ tax rate, or > 50% deficit to be just a bit too high to sustain. I know that I can’t afford that in my personal life. I know where that practice would take me in my personal life; financial ruin. Likewise, this country is truly doomed if the liberal left insists on confiscatory taxation and limitless spending.
Let me clarify “doomed”. I mean that people will be starving, homeless, and without so much as an aspirin for their “medical care”. Lives will be ruined. People will die. Guess who dies first; those for whose well being the progressives profess their concern.
Which is why, I don’t believe a damn thing any “progressive” says about anything. Self-interested frauds, liars, and thieves they are, one and all. I have nearly 60 years experience and even more history behind that to inform my opinion.
Old Salt
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Fest in Gao “libérée”
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid69900095001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAEabvr4~,Wtd2HT-p_VhJQ6tgdykx3j23oh1YN-2U&bctid=2122995178001
Marie Claire @ 71 – Well Done!
Now remember, when the citizens of Gao say “Merci”, the proper response is
“De rien!”
P.S. Remember who led the victory parade down the Champs-Élysées in 1944!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Paris
Reduced arrogance and increased humility yield better results. No one would want anyone to think the French are RUDE!
M.C. @ 71 – I’ll put this in American English and allow you to translate.
Tomorrow, there will be a kid v. soldier soccer tournament in the morning to be followed by lunch. On the menu will be coq au vin ala “Chicken Bomber”.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité!
Returning now to the USA.
Let us pray that John Kerrey will withdraw his nomination as Secretary of State in favor of recently retired Gen. James Mattis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mattis
Well known author Bing West, described Gen. Mattis’s most famous work in the book “The March Up” http://preview.tinyurl.com/ajk84dy , wherein West described how Mattis and his MARINES made Baghdad Bob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGQzQo1HY4 a global laughingstock.
Well said Old Salt (#70), every church I have belonged to besides collecting both food and funds for the local shelters and “Food Pantries” we also had our own from which to distribute to those that came knocking on the church door! The fact is our country, Cities and our neighborhoods had a much stronger unity when Charity DIDN’T come from the Government. Those that had to much Pride to ask were the ones that wanted to have the “Government” hand out first, later it became mainly those who refuse to work who demand hand outs and now we are at the point where the Government gives far past what is needed, to the point of providing luxuries those that “MUST” pay to the Government cannot afford to do themselfs.
42. programmr:
“However, in my opinion, the democratic party is doing its best to care for the unemployed. It is doing its best to care for those who need inexpensive Health Care.”
Why yes! They like the unemployed so much they are creating more and more of them! The policies of the O administration are causing employeRs to hesitate to add additional employees because of uncertainties, and in some cases, to reduce the numbers of full-time employees because of increased costs, dually caused by increased health care premiums and requirement.
Inexpensive health care? TANSTAAFL. Premiums are going up by double digits, primarily from the coverage edicts of ACA {Obamacare}. Providers are leaving their practices, or advising patients they will no longer accept Medicare reimbursement as payment in full. Some are refusing to accept Medicare patients.
Yeah, the Democratic party is doing a bang-up job. Not.
tom
“TALEB: My idea of living is taking risks for causes.”
My offer still stands. Let’s take on Islam.
Going for the jugular!
This is a test this morning. I had a couple comments swallowed by the system. Since I had exceeded my four comment “unofficial” limit, I figured okay, time to go to bed.
Just in case this does get displayed, let me express my opinion on stress by paraphrasing Nietzsche.
“That which does not kill us makes us stronger.”
Programmr adds, “That which kills us…kills us!”
Did Nietzsche ever suffer a heart attack that didn’t kill him.
If so he would have known the damage to the heart makes it weaker.
“He lived his remaining years in the care of his mother until her death in 1897, then under the care of his sister until his death in 1900.“-wiki
Programmr adds, “That which kills us…kills us!”
Unless you’re a zombie. Don’t forget zombies.
WaPo – French forces take airport in Timbuktu without firing a shot
http://preview.tinyurl.com/b6ako4x
RE Having One’s Back
Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JWcqH2Znec&feature=share&list=PLBD57861AEF436283
Especially at 23:40- Omaha Beach on D-Day about 8 AM as told by the guys who were there and suddenly had someone cover their backs for them.
My Dad did the machinery design for those destroyers!!!
Oh programmr, as a Christian, I feel it is my personal responsibility to help the needy. I do volunteer work for St. Vincent De Paul at my parish. I saw a recent annual giving listing the donations in money, in-kind contributions and volunteer hours for the country and was shocked at how high it was. We help over 12 million people annually. What was even more surprising was that when I looked at the state by state reports, both the Archdiocese of Chicago and my diocese were not shown as reporting in! The Knights of Columbus do an unbelievable amount of good works as well (volunteering and financial assistance). And these are just two affiliated Catholic lay groups. I could go on and on. But you could just google the charitable works of the Catholic Church if you were so inclined.
Add in all of the other religious groups out there from large Christian organizations to the little Baptist church at 12th and Main (so to speak) and you will be astounded. The amount cannot be captured. And many Christians support (in time, treasure and talent) secular charities as well (my favorite is ModestNeeds.org and a variety of small animal welfare groups).
But you might say that even with that, it’s not enough. But why not? If we go back a little bit in history, you will find that governmental ‘charity’ was pushed as ‘better’. I would highly recommend the book ‘The Tragedy of American Compassion’. It’s almost unbearable to read due to the sheer amount of details, but if you can skim, it will be obvious that we used to do fairly well in taking care of needs. Of course, much of that charity would require some self-initiative and responsibility, but is there anything wrong with expecting that from able-bodied people?
76. TomW
“Inexpensive health care? TANSTAAFL. Premiums are going up by double digits, primarily from the coverage edicts of ACA {Obamacare}. Providers are leaving their practices, or advising patients they will no longer accept Medicare reimbursement as payment in full.”
Every doctor I know is planning to scale back practice and prepare for an earlier more modest retirement. It is just not worth it. The bureaucrats aare the only ones to benefit from Obamacare. So many new rules, so many more meetings about the new rules, so many news jobs created checking the rules and checking the checkers.
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From the movie Office Space:
The thing is, Bob, it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care.
Bob Porter: Don’t… don’t care?
Peter Gibbons: It’s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don’t see another dime, so where’s the motivation? And here’s something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.
Bob Slydell: I beg your pardon?
Peter Gibbons: Eight bosses.
Bob Slydell: Eight?
Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.
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The reason this is happening in medicine now relates to the issue of stressors and swans. Physicians were traditionally small business owners whose sole product was the skill and level of service provided to the patient. If you did not do those things you would not have many patients.
Now it is just a job with so many layers of administration that the motive is just to keep the suits upstairs happy and try not to get sued.
So the organism adapts to the specific stressors employed. Now the game has changed. There is a new swan in town.
Obama is right. You voted for this America. This is what you wanted. You asked for a Coke – you got one. Don’t like Coke Zero? So much better for you. Well that is all you get. Your health is our property now.
Our Boy Emperor must be mighty pissed off this morning for it seems after all his scheming and the hard work of he and Hilary, AQ won’t conquer Mali after all, And it’s really a double bad two-fer, for that evil Colonial Power, France has come to the aid of it’s former colonies and is being cheered for their efforts by their former subjects.
O/T Have the Isrealis already struck Iran?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9831282/Mystery-over-explosion-at-Irans-Fordow-nuclear-site.html
42. programmr: “… in my opinion, the democratic party is doing its best to care for the unemployed. It is doing its best to care for those who need inexpensive Health Care. The republicans, not so much.”
programmr – I believe your comment above confuses spin/marketing with actual results.
example 1: Medicare is going broke. That fact is not in dispute. But when Paul Ryan comes up with a plan to save the system, he is demagogued as “throwing Granny over the cliff”. Now you don’t have to agree with Ryan’s particular solution, but the Democrats have not offered any solution. If we do nothing, Granny will go over the cliff, courtesy of Democrats, not Republicans. Yet, you have bought into the idea that somehow it is the Dems who are “doing their best” in the area of healthcare.
example 2: Mitch Daniels just finished 2 very successful and popular terms as governor of Indiana. During those 8 years, he actually downsized the state government and left it in strong fiscal position. One of his maxims is that, “You’ll be amazed how much government you’ll never miss.” Putting limited government concepts into action has not resulted in the needy of Indiana going hungry or dying in the gutter for lack of healthcare. That is more likely to happen in the coming years next door in Illinois or in California where those oh so compassionate Democrats have squandered the resources of their states on giveaways to public employee unions and every Statist fantasy imaginable.
Don’t be fooled by the spin – being in favor of a larger, more intrusive government is NOT the same thing as doing what’s best for those in need.
(channeling Columbo) Oh, one more thing: Paul Ryan on “Meet the Press” http://video.msnbc.msn.com/meet-the-press/50605842#50605842
He pushes the concepts of growth, opportunity, etc. along with a strong safety net. Sure this is at least partly political spin, but it is also the “official” conservative position. Letting everyone fend for themselves is the Statist spin about conservatives, not the policy articulated by conservatives.
Doug@61
“…Meals on Wheels:
At my first place of work here, a retired physician with a beautiful beachside Condo and plenty of money, would partake of Meals on Wheels.
Should low income families be required to subsidize high income retirees?”
Just because someone partakes of Meals on Wheels does not mean they are being subsidized. MoW allows you to pay for your meals directly without going through an assistance program. I took part while I was living alone and recovering from a broken leg.
Off topic:
Has anyone heard any reliable reports about the explosion at the Fordow nuclear weapons site in Iran? I saw the WND link but WND has almost no reliability (only Debka is worse). Main stream sources are picking up on the story but they maybe echoing the unreliable WND account.
There’s an image in Business Insider showing blast damage, refer to:
http://www.businessinsider.com/massive-explosion-reported-at-irans-fordow-nuclear-facility-2013-1
However I suspect the image maybe a forgery (photoshop).
egg @ 88: Has anyone heard any reliable reports about the explosion at the Fordow nuclear weapons site in Iran?
Not really. Could be anything or nothing, at this point.
Eggplant
Beat you too it.
Looking at public forums the GBU-57 is 30,000 Llbs. An F15I can carry a payload of 23,000 “plus”. Mmm.
Mmm. J-Post carries a report on this saying that Isreali intelligence confirms an explosion there. Obviously Mossad has no clue as to how this might have happened. Also reports of Isreali aircraft in the location at the time. It would be funny if this big event everyone has been fretting about had just happened without any publicity. Reminded of the strike on the Syrian nuke facility the other year. Mmm.
TonyB @ 91 said:
“Reminded of the strike on the Syrian nuke facility the other year.”
The Syrian nuke facility was almost certainly a plutonium production facility similar to the ones at the U.S. Savannah River Site, refer to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_River_Site
Unfortunately, the Nobel Peace Prize was prostituted and rendered worthless after being awarded to Obama for having dark skin. However if that prize had any residual meaning it should have been awarded to the Israelis responsible for destroying that Syrian plutonium facility.
TonyB also said:
“Looking at public forums the GBU-57 is 30,000 Llbs. An F15I can carry a payload of 23,000 “plus”.”
This leads us to five possible conclusions:
1) The story is completely bogus.
2) The U.S. took out the Fordow nuclear facility with a B-2 carrying a GBU-57.
3) The Israelis took it out through a Mossad operation.
4) It was an inside job done by Iranians opposed to the Mullah theocracy.
5) It was an industrial accident.
The problem with the sabotage theory is it would have required smuggling a significant amount of very high explosive into the most secure weapons facility in Iran. The Iranian government knew the U.S. and the Israelis wanted that facility destroyed. The Iranians would have been checking the orifices of every person entering that facility looking for explosives. Not even the Mossad could break through that kind of security.
Note that if you go directly to http://www.businessinsider.com/ there is no mention of the story. However it was posted today, as can be see through the link http://www.businessinsider.com/massive-explosion-reported-at-irans-fordow-nuclear-facility-2013-1 . Someone at “Business Insider” opted to back off from that story but also opted to keep it on their server.
Did someone tell “Business Insider” to de-link the story?
If the answer is “yes” then we know that conclusion 2) is probably valid. If that is the case then what we are observing is a full replay by the United States of Israel’s destruction of the Syrian nuclear facility, i.e. the Israelis destroyed the facility but kept quiet about it to allow the Syrians to “save face” and not escalate into a regional war.
eggplant…
I suspect a departure shot from Panetta — and that he prepped the information space during his swan-song trip across Europe.
This made security virtually absolute — no electronic transmissions of any kind.
It also explains the mutterings coming out of Israel.
Barry signed on because he knew that this op would sweep Hagel into the DoD — and permit him, Barry, to stay above the fray if it went sour.
Blert @ 93:
Another funny tidbit: Debka is ignoring this story. When has Debka ever ignored an interesting bit of gossip about Middle Eastern politics? Debka has never been shy about repeating the most ridiculous fantasy.
2+2=5 ?!
I wonder if this was a rogue-op, i.e. Panetta authorized it without letting Obama know about it?
The bomb casing from the GBU-57 along with its terminal guidance package should be mixed up with the broken concrete of the tunnel. It may take the Iranians several weeks to dig it out.
Will the Iranians remain quiet about this as did the Syrians?
It occurs to me that the Iranians have issues with pride. They may feel compelled to strike back quietly. Give the Iranians two weeks to dig out the GBU-57 hardware to remove all doubt and another month to come up with a trick of their own. It’ll be a devastating trick (9/11 on steroids) with no “return address” but clearly from the Mullahs.
Presume a GBU-57 would leave only a tiny entry hole as visible damage, fwiw.
The only other event that would be interesting, would be a low-level fission incident, either accidental or by sabotage.
The whispered “gas line” speculation doesn’t seem to make much sense to me, not enough oxygen below ground to make the kind of satisfying “boom!” reported.
Okay gang, I could use a little help. The stress is getting to high levels, I need a laugh. I am convinced that God has a sense of humor. So as a way to benefit all of us, I PRAY that the next time Obama appears on TV, his hair suddenly turns WHITE!
Now that would confound the secular “humanists”. Obama with more hairstyles than Hillary as First Lady!
I need an AMEN! (whenever two or more…)
Thank You and Amen.
(PLEASE? PLEASE? PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE?)
Amen
Josh…
When even a massive bomb drops into a cavity — it just implodes. Hence, from depth, there is no ejecta.
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The publicity photos offered up by the Pentagon are inconsistent with all that much of a G in the GBU. (Guided Bomb Unit)
It, by definition, falls faster than a brick.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the GBU-57 leaves a trivial forensic signature. It is, and was, constructed with one use in mind. That use may well have had high deniability built into the specs.
It’s my conjecture that Iran is going to find it very, very difficult to find any actionable intelligence in a sea of dirt and harsh fluorides.
UF6 decays into HF and UF4 when it gets wet, IIRC.
No-one would want to till that soil — trust me.
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Scratch:
200+ technicians,
X kilograms of HEU,
1 cave,
Y ultra-centrifuges
1 fast track to the Pu implosion bomb via HEU plates dipped in ‘research’ reactors.
(Research reactors = swimming pool — open top — zero pressure — conversion only — turning U235 HEU into pure Pu239 via fission, absorption, and beta decay of thermal neutrons with chronic ‘fishing pole’ reactant extraction and chemical refining.)
When the torpedoes inside the Russian submarine Kursk exploded by accident, it was detectable with seismic instruments, refer to:
http://geology.about.com/od/seismo_forensics/a/kursk.htm
This hypothetical attack at Fordow should have been susceptible to forensic seismology.
Paging seismic geologists! Has anyone seen any interesting seismic activity in Iran?
Officials in Iran are flatly denying that they’ve suffered a reverse of any kind,
Some DC voices are doubting the media reports, also.
IIRC, the Syrian atomic project bombing was not acknowledged by any official from then to now.
Interesting.
Some of the designs used penetraters that were made out of WWII howitzer barrels. Probably an overkill. Might have a tungsten cowling designed to act like a shaped charge and to liquify, perhaps vaporize. Lots of work done trying to figure out how to vaporize chemicals and germs. Nuclear, no doing so you are left with an energetic pile of crap. Agree, hardly worth messing with. Just blame the big and little Satan.
Agree that the whole hole is a dirty mess by now if it did indeed happen. Never believe the “we can’t do anything about it” meme anyhow. Besides, it makes for poor diplomacy to deny capability when important issues are involved. Being able to piss in Iran’s WMD pot makes for interesting times. If you are not 100% sure about a capability you employ it covertly. Smacks if Israel through and through but not sure if they would do anything without a little help. All they need to do is offer to take a sheep dip if things go sour. If it was a joint op then explains no comments all around.
Once that genie is out of the bag, nothing left for Haji but to dig deeper or play nice. Of course I agree with Eggplant that the Mullahs will strike back. But they have been striking back for going on 40 years now. Let them declare war.
MachiasPrivateer
“tu fais chier”
I’m reminding you that your country had trained the Malian Army (with a program of several hundred million dollars) since 2OO8, for which result?
The French paratroopers and Legion scared the hell out the jihadists, that fled before encountering a direct confrontation, knowing that there wasn’t a possibility of being made prisonners (Hollande had said in his first discourse on going to Mali, that the jihadists must be destroyed, so it seems that the 72 virgins paradise wasn’t what they wanted, especially when you know that these terrorists also are drugs traffickers).
The Nazy Army can’t be compared with a troops of jihadists, that has the habits to disappear from your sight, and to appear in another place where you weren’t expecting them, remember IN Amenas in Algeria !
what a Commenter (probably a Tuareg) from “the Economist” replied on the Tuaregs Ansar dine movement,
“Anṣār ad-Dīn has served it’s purpose and will be disbanded or just disappear and re-appear in another form and name, that is our custom.
اياد اغ غالي or Iyad ag Ghali is a different story, he is a man who will come back through a door you, jokotalo, did not know existed.
he always has, he always will”
“Ag Abdallah is a nobody, from an insignificant clan.
i enclose the last statement from Anṣār ad-Dīn, for the full text click the link.
http://jihadology.net/category/other-groups/an%E1%B9%A3ar-ad-din/
as you can read, the men from Anṣār ad-Dīn are still dreaming, but it shows a little what they believe and how they talk.
ميحرلا نمحرلا الله مسب”
Jamaat Ansar Al-Din
Press release regarding the military operations
دعب امأ ،هاده عبتا نمو هبحصو هلاو ،الله لوسر ىلع ملاسلاو ةلاصلاو، نيملاعلا بر لله دمحلا :
In these same days in the past year, the first steps to establish the Islamic project in the Azawad region north of Mali, on the hands of Jamaat Ansar Al-Din, where the people witnessed the leading and distinguished experience, of implementing the Islamic Sharia, and the far and near saw the justice and lenience of Islam, which as much as it healed the hearts of the believers and returned to them the lost hope, it made the Kuffar and hypocrites sleepless, so they couldn’t be patient to see that nation determines its fate by themselves, after they gulping the bitterness of tragedies for decades, to live free, under the shadow of the Sharia which they were raised on, and inherited it generation after generation.”
and on and on and on.”
Well, on this day Leo blesses the stress, the Boy Scouts of America showed signs of cracking. Next week they are apparently planning to drop their prohibition of gay leaders and gay members. From my viewpoint, they’re acceding to become at last what they were originally supposed to be: an engine of the “progressive” education. Heroically for all these years they’ve remained frustratingly elusive towards that original design, thanks to a constitutional reverence for God. Next week that very well might all be undone and the BSA will essentially become yet another Democratic party experiment. As our military is becoming, on account of the very same stresses.
This BSA move, like the armed forces move, is a top-down move entirely. To those of us engaged in BSA or military life, this all comes like a whirlwind. We were not consulted in either case.
It’s all being decided for us.
By our betters.
BP guilty plea for Gulf oil spill to be considered by federal judge on Tuesday
http://preview.tinyurl.com/axaq82j
So the skids are greased to finish BP’s criminal trial! Once protected from double jeopardy. watch BP unload on Obama et al [CHU LIED! DOLPHINS DIED!]
And three of the four indicted former BP employees (indicated in bold above) are thrown under the bus by BP. They still will face individual criminal trials.
But what of the fourth indicted BP employee, Kurt Mix? BP has not agreed to any claim that he acted in a criminal fashion.
Federal judge delays ex-BP engineer’s trial http://preview.tinyurl.com/bbd8t4v
Obama wants to delay and delay and delay some more so as not to face his day of reckoning against Kurt Mix!! But he will still face an angry mob when he fails to get tens of billions more in BP money in the BP civil trial!
So what should the Republicans do? Offer Kurt Mix immunity from prosecution if he agrees to tell all he knows before Congress! Anyone out there want to know about the 16 hour news blackout during the Top Kill operation in May 2010????
Paging Anderson Cooper!
Marie Claude @ 101 – Wash your mouth out with soap! The French forces have taken the airport against no opposition, they have left the job of taking the city to the Malians. I said that chicken was on the menu, not cheese!
The French political classes, at least, are
Damn Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys!
Maybe you could help me translate something we used to say back in engineering school?
Mange merde et morte.
I repeat
CAN I GET AN AMEN?
103. MachiasPrivateer
if it was so easy, why then didn’t you go?
I forgot, you hadn’t your EPO around
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4275341052978&set=a.1093116259347.2014104.1569750935&type=1&theater
87. Aristide,
I did not know that:
Nevertheless, Meals on Wheels, as well as other welfare state programs, are not subuect to means testing.
…thus the taxpayers will never know who they are supporting.
Seems less than optimal.
Amen.
There are too many Dougs around here.
Changing mine to DJSaxum.
After THE IMPEACHMENT OF BARACK OBAMA President Boehner will need a SecDef. So let’s nominate Jed Babbin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jed_Babbin
Yes, I know he took the easy way out and became a lawyer instead of working in STEM. But Babbin is an alumnus of Cumberland School of Law (J.D. 1973), and Georgetown University Law Center (LL.M. 1978). See! He’s studied law at Georgetown, Bill Clinton’s alma mater!!!
And he studied physics under Dr. Fred Furst http://www.humanevents.com/2008/07/25/sir-isaac-and-the-airbus/ I’d bet he even studied the Schrödinger equation with him too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation
According to Joel Achenbach of WaPo that makes him smarter than Einstein!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/achenblog/wp/2013/01/24/when-genius-bombs-1995/
And he even has attended Hum Lab! You know, where engineers get to watch movies for credit hours, just like Liberal Arts majors do!
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Marie Claire @ 104 – I have more important things to do, such as study Georges Danton
“il nous faut de l’audace, et encore de l’audace, et toujours de l’audace”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Danton
P.S. Dougman @ 106 – Thank You!
RE MachiasPrivateer @ 103 – http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/29/judge-oks-4b-bp-oil-spill-criminal-settlement/
BINGO!!!!!!!!
YO! Eric Holder! Read the Oil Pollution Act
http://www.epa.gov/oem/content/lawsregs/opaover.htm
Is that why Lisa Jackson is leaving the EPA?????? BP agreed to pay and, under the settlement of the criminal case, will pay the “removal costs”. So do they only owe $75 million?????
Who ran the clean up starting May 1, 2010? Admiral Thad Allen of the National Incident Command. In other words, the Federal Government was in charge, and as Capt. Hung Nguyen (USCG) of the Joint Investigation Team put it to Daun Winslow, once you start giving orders, you own it!
And what about Transocean’s responsibility? http://preview.tinyurl.com/by4aytj
And what was the unofficial job title of Robert Kaluza and Donald Vidrine?
Company man????
MAKE SOME POPCORN, THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT