Hours Before Impact
With only scant hours until the collision with Nibiru we must face the fact that this may be the Belmont Club’s last post. Reluctantly I must turn to the subject of composing a final missive. It’s an extraordinarily difficult problem, not with regards with what to say but who to send it to. Wild Bill Hickok probably said all there was to say in a poignant last letter to his wife written shortly before drawing that fatal card hand in the Deadwood saloon.
“Agnes Darling, if such should be we never meet again, while firing my last shot, I will gently breathe the name of my wife — Agnes — and with wishes even for my enemies I will make the plunge and try to swim to the other shore.”
But since Nibiru is guaranteed to smash the earth to smithereens there’s no one left to write to, which is a pity. No Agnes, no Library of Congress. No archives. It’s a stunning thought, because while most people have become individually reconciled to their personal deaths there is altogether something different about facing the end of earth and the human race.
The human race may not really amount to much on the galactic scale of things. Or so we were told. Still it would be a shame if it were to vanish without a trace. Without a trace did you say, how could that be?
For years humanity has taken comfort in the thought that our radio and TV signals which have been leaking out into the cosmos since the middle of the last century would provide it with a measure of posterity. Whatever befall somewhere someplace beings would still watch MASH or the Flintstones. Yabba dabba doo! However the redoubtable Enrico Fermi cast doubt on this proposition. He argued that while signals have been going out since the middle of the last century, all we’ve gotten back was the Big Silence. And there is still no sign of an alien race coming to get the complete episodes in a boxed Blu-Ray set of Bonanza.
The story goes that, one day back on the 1940′s, a group of atomic scientists, including the famous Enrico Fermi, were sitting around talking, when the subject turned to extraterrestrial life. Fermi is supposed to have then asked, “So? Where is everybody?” What he meant was: If there are all these billions of planets in the universe that are capable of supporting life, and millions of intelligent species out there, then how come none has visited earth? This has come to be known as The Fermi Paradox.
One possible answer to Fermi’s objection is that most aliens have left their TVs and radios in the basement together with their Ataris and Commodore 64s because “civilizations outgrow radio through technological advance”. They can’t receive our signals because their devices only play in in 5D.
There are other answers to Fermi’s problem of why nobody has said hello. Perhaps the most depressing — now that Nibiru is lighting up the horizon — is the possibility that human beings are — or perhaps were I should say were — the sole intelligent life in the universe. One variation of this idea, which comes to almost the same thing, was the serious argument that the physics of things is such that intelligent life is exceedingly rare. The major proponent of this idea is Alan Guth whose work on the inflationary universe suggests that the processes necessary to create the structures we observe in the universe would also imply that civilization is a fluke.
Basically he argues that because of inflation — which is a major idea necessary to explain how things got going — old universes like ours are incredibly rare. So rare it boggles the imagination. Therefore since the vast majority of the other universes are very young we are probably all there is. Guth writes:
If one chooses a regularization in the most naive way, one is led to a set of very peculiar results which I call the youngness paradox.
The youngness paradox is caused by the fact that the volume of false vacuum is growing exponentially with time with an extraordinarily short time constant, in the vicinity of 10^-37 sec. Since the rate at which pocket universes form is proportional to the volume of false vacuum, this rate is increasing exponentially with the same time constant. That means that in each second the number of pocket universes that exist is multiplied by a factor of exp{10^37}
At any given time, therefore, almost all of the pocket universes that exist are universes that formed very very recently, within the last several time constants. The population of pocket universes is therefore an incredibly youth-dominated society, in which the mature universes are vastly outnumbered by universes that have just barely begun to evolve. Although a mature universe has a larger volume then a young one, this multiplicative factor is of little importance, since in synchronous coordinates the volume no longer grows exponentially once the pocket universe forms.
Here I would like to discuss a less physical but simpler question, just to illustrate the paradoxes associated with synchronous gauge probabilities. Specifically, I will consider the question: “Are there any other civilizations in the visible universe that are more advanced than ours?”. Intuitively I would not expect inflation to make any predictions about this question, but I will argue that the synchronous gauge probability distribution strongly implies that there is no civilization in the visible universe more advanced than we are.
Suppose that we have reached some level of advancement, and suppose that t min represents the minimum amount of time needed for a civilization as advanced as we are to evolve, starting from the moment of the decay of the false vacuum—the start of the big bang. The reader might object on the grounds that there are many possible measures of advancement, but I would respond by inviting the reader to pick any measure she chooses; the argument that I am about to give should apply to all of them.
If so there’s no one out there to watch the Bonanza reruns. Nobody’s coming to buy the boxed Blu-Ray sets. And while I suppose it is a little too late for regrets, as Nibiru hurtles ever closer, one can’t help but wish that we’d taken ourselves a little more seriously. Maybe we could have spent more on space travel in the last century. Perhaps started some small colony on Mars.
But we didn’t take ourselves seriously enough. Somehow we adopted the attitude in the last century that mankind was merely dispensable protoplasm — a fungus on the planet earth. Now with the end so near, we are closing the door not only on our era, but perhaps upon the only chance our universe had of something that thought; built and loved.
We never knew how precious we were. And now we’ve got to go.
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Don’t worry people, I happen to know Bruce Willis detonates the Nuke in just enough time to save our planet. We will just have to continue to kill ourselves, the universe has bigger fish to fry.
Either it is “goodbye cruel world,” or the Creator has a weird sense of humor. Alternatively, perhaps we are merely in beta testing. Bottom line — among the things I will miss most are Bach, Beethoven, and this marvelous Belmont Club. Before the world ends I wanted to say thanks to our host and to all BC’ers .
Goodbye fair Earth
And Wretchard too
I wish I’d left
Before she blew
“Ebo,” Callison said urgently, “this all seems so real! Are you sure we’re still in the ship? Is this hillside reality?”
“You are still in the ship, Miss Callison, in the rooms where you fell. The ship is hurtling through space at frightening speed, and will, in moments, enter the black hole. I will confess some trepidation, for I know not what awaits us on the other side. And yes, the hillside is reality.”
“A straight answer, at least,” Callison said. “Goodbye, Ebo. Perhaps we’ll meet again.”
“Perhaps we shall, Miss Callison.”
With a whoosh, the hillside came apart, rocks and boulders tumbling frantically, crashing about them. With a roar, the planet opened, flew apart, and followed the sun into the void.
“Here we go, Jan!” Callison cried, kissing him fiercely.
“Event horizon here we come!” Strakor laughed, hugging her tight. “I wonder what’s on the other side?”
Excerpt from Almost Paradise by Walter Erickson
It’s a shame my time here will be cut short. It’s an interesting thought about the death of humankind, but it’s not something anyone will experience. As Captain Malcolm Reynolds said: “everyone dies alone.”
Here’s lookin’ at y’all.
No place I’d rather hang out as I feel the burn…
Richard, maybe we could all sing a verse of “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing” since that seems to be a favorite of yours…As I remember, those singers were on a hilltop….seems prescient, doesn’t it now ? And they were ethnically diverse…I think that’s important, don’t you ? Maybe those are the people that will be saved… That hilltop is important, it is obvious to me now…Must find that hilltop…why is a Coke bottle shaped the way it is ? Does that mean something ? It’s sad that I’m only realizing now the deepness of that song… that and Kumbaya…
Fermi didn’t get it. It’s not that there AREN’T any advanced civilizations, it’s just that when one becomes advanced enough (or evolved enough, as one school of thought suggests consciousness arrives at a point where it no longer needs a physical body to get around) to go anywhere in the universe, it also has enough wisdom to avoid bothering with idiots who spend their time watching Bonanza and The Flintstones.
I think I’ve figured out how to survive this disaster. My old Ford pickup has proven to be virtually indestructible. Several times I started to replace it, only to discover it’s not worn out yet so I’ve ended up keeping it around. For ages. And ages. So I think the two of us will sleep in the truck’s cab tonight so when the sun rises mañana we’ll still be here. And if the house survives, too, so much the better.
Just saw the outdoor temperature. Really? THAT cold? Never mind.
We were “mostly harmless”.
As always, Richard, I’m in awe of your prose.
We should convince the Obamunists to spend the next three days running up to women and telling them to join in an End of the World Orgy. Leftists are frozen at or before adolescence anyway so this should be an easy sell. For a short time at least they will be to distracted to cause any harm. Then again … maybe I need to go past the nearest university and conduct some research.
The Beautiful and the Good endures forever as an example of perfection on the Celestial Plane. What we see here is only a weak imitation seen through a glass darkly. Someplace there will always be a Belmont Club.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRZZC-DH7M
Is that all there is?…
You’d think a guy with Fermi’s resume would have heard of the Inverse Square law.
It takes something with the power output of a star to be detected across interstellar distances. A 10,000 Watt FM station isn’t going to show up on the Zeta Reticulians scopes.
Now, about this end of the world business, I think it’s my move in the chess game with Ceasar’s bust, but first I’m going to get cleaned up and get a drink before the bars all close.
I find it infinitly amusing that people like Dawkins, Gould and Hitchens, laugh the believer to scorn for needing the ‘Crutch’ of an all powerful god, then devote so much of their energies to the notion of a far superior, ancient Race, somewhere out among the stars who if we can only make contact with them, will teach us all things and save us from ourselves.
A few years ago it was anounced that the radio and TV signals we place so much hope in only make it a couple of light years before degenerating into random static. We can’t even be heard from nearby Centarus.
“If theres no one else out there, it seems like an awful waste of space.” Carl Sagan
“Maybe it takes all of that to keep all of this in balance.” me
Darn. I slept through the whole thing.
Actually, Arm-A-Gedding a leetle tired of all this gloom and doom.
The encumbrance at 1600 Pennslyvania Ave is disaster enough for me.
11. blert
They only made one Peggy Lee, I haven’t seen anyone that could come up to speed with her.
This song has always amazed me, that it could be made and played and not cause a rash of suicides. But at the same time it is so child like,like the kid in the back seat being drug around the country to see the Grand Canyon and is not very impressed with it. ‘Is that all there is?’
Peggy Lee was the ultimate, leadin edge sophisticate, and in the end all the modernity, the sophistication, the leading edge, circles all the way back to Ecclesiastes 8/15
“Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry ‥”
These ‘End of the World’ things seem to be coming around with some regularity, maybe we should just go ahead and make it a yearly holiday.
I’m resorting to Standard Operating Procedure. It’s nice finally to have an excuse to use the best wines in my cellar,
Pip Pip Clubbers,
ADE
After reading this piece from Mr Fernandez, I had to google Nibiru to find out which hockey team he plays for. Turns out that Nibiru is a planet that doesn’t even exist, yet it’s going to have a non-existent collision with Earth. The non-existence of the impact will apparently make Earth non-existent through some mysterious process of contagion.
This is well outside the orbit of common courtesy. We have visitors arriving the day after the imaginary planet’s rude arrival. Where on Earth will we put them?
Did I ever waste my life sitting around watching Bonanza? Nah, not so much. I did however invest in watching the movie Tin Men.
Sam: You know when I saw ‘Bonanza’ the other day, something occurred to me.
Ernest Tilley: Eh?
Sam: Ya got these four guys living on the Ponderosa and ya never hear them say anything about wanting to get laid.
Ernest Tilley: Huh.
Sam: I mean ya never hear Hoss say to Little Joe, “I had such a hard-on when I woke up this morning.”
Ernest Tilley: No, no, no…
Sam: They don’t talk about broads – nothing. Ya never hear Little Joe say, “Hey, Hoss, I went to Virginia City and I saw a girl with the greatest ass I’ve ever seen in my life.” They just walk around the Ponderosa: “Yes, Pa, where’s Little Joe?” Nothin’ about broads. I don’t think I’m being too picky. But, if at least once, they talked about getting horny. I don’t care if you live on the Ponderosa or right here in Baltimore, guys talk about getting laid. I’m beginning to think that show doesn’t have too much realism.
blert @ 11 – Get to work damn you, you wastrel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zRwze8_SGk
Kids these days!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75G7X0kVm_w&feature=related
If one chooses a regularization in the most naive way, one is led to a set of very peculiar results which I call the youngness paradox.
This guy sounds mighty sure of himself. How does he know it’s the most naive way to choose regularization? I think there are ways that are even more naive, though I can’t think of one now. But how about intelligent design? Huh? Think that’s naive?
Now, as to the matter of the false vacuum. I think civilization has reached a critical state when even a vacuum can be false. The fact that these false vacuums then explode — isn’t that a threat? And you get 10 carrots to the 37 more of them every Kill-a-second (I use Kill-a-second because that is a scientific measurement). Actually, this sounds like it could be a new source of power. Of course you would have to destroy these universes before you could use them but if they don’t have intelligent life, why not? I mean, who would know. Besides, there’s a lot more carrots where those came from.
Solstice was at 11:12 UTC/GMT… What should we do?
I’m fairly certain that if They did pick up our TV signals that the first message we would receive from them would be “Shut that stuff off and go to bed. Now!”
But after the collapse of the USSR another possibility arose as an answer to the Fermi Paradox. We may not be the only intelligent life in the universe but may be the only capitalists. The rest of them are a bunch of poor effing communists and don’t have the money to either shoot off rockets or listen to the radio. They are too busy hoeing their potato patch.
21. hdgreene
“I think civilization has reached a critical state when even a vacuum can be false.”
That’s a very astute observation. I am fascinated by the current theoretical physics and cosmology. The progress is in no doubt. Whereas the Aristotelian model required epicycles, we can now have a whole menagerie of exotic concepts, “false vacuums” as you noted, from ex nihilo big bang (or would that be sex nihilo?), to darkwing duck hatched from a mysterious renormalization of equations (a.k.a. dark matter), and our verse is populated by white giants and red dwarfs swimming in the sea of virtual bosons and rolled up noodles (or strings, I think noodles are better and they can eventually feed the hungry if we just devise a right colander) of higher-dimensional topologies in the cellar of Klein bottles.
As long as you stay away from injecting God into your paradigms, you can use virtually any metaphysics you wish. Now that’s progress!
Hey, is any body out there? Why is it so darn dark here? Oh no…I’m stuck in eternity with the virtual reality of the Belmont Club!!! Oh well, it is a lot better company than Bonanza.
Never mind. The radio just came on. I forgot to turn the lights on as I wended my way along the deeply worn path in the carpet to my easy chair in front of the fire place where my trusty laptop awaits. Electric lights! The gift of light! Instant communication! The ability to see the world in “grains of sand”…silicon circuits, that is. What a gift.
Thanks, Wretchard! If the world ever does end, I hope your writings and musings and the assemblage of comments from the rest of the BC’ers survives in one form or another as a representation for future explorers to find and consider as examples of what was once the greatness of the human race. Please keep on writing and sharing, all of you. The lights are still shining.
Is it the beginning of a new world or a New World Order beginning?
We are very close.
I’ll miss pizza, video games, steelers football, a real nice set of breasts along with a real nice butt. I’ll miss the mountains of my home state. I think i’ll miss my family most of all.
Regarding Nibiru…
I am not sure why some people merged Nibiru with Mayan calendar. It’s puzzling, because one can clearly see when looking at that stone relief that they simply did not have enough room to inscribe more than one baktun.
So, they are about 62 years off. The orbit of Nibiru, intersecting the ecliptic, solar system plane at 103 deg angle, is measured in shars. These represent roughly 3600 years with a +/- 2 years margin–this fluctuation is caused by different positions of planets at the time of “crossing” (Nibiru means “planet of crossing” in Sumerian). Nibiru intersects the ecliptic twice — once in, then swings around the sun and out. The period between entry and exit is about 4 years.
So, how/where we get 2074?
I think I need some sleep and will give some pointers on Dec 22.
Good-bye.
Why do I feel I’ve just heard a self-elegy from the Orson Welles of the Pacific?
Somewhere I know a bar is holding an End of the World party and no one is allowed to run a tab. Cash on the counter.
Yes, baby, I love you and know it is the End of the World. Cut the cards.
What the hell are we all doing in THIS time and place? What happened?
A couple of observations:
We’d expect to see solar system sized engineering works if there was intelligent life out there, no need to listen to the radio.
By definition, someone has to first; to insist it can’t be us it to assert probabilities to things like the evolution of intelligence we’re just not in a position to be at all certain of.
On the off chance that there’s anyone here who hasn’t seen us. . .
Here’s a take on “where is everyone”? One which (as a huge sci-fi fan) I particularly like.
http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/thinkingMeat.html
Have a fantastic final day folks, and a merry armageddon! It has been a pleasure reading the articles and comments here, during the end-times.
@12 JMH, @13 Walter Adams
It’s probably true that the content of our broadcasts could not be obtained over long interstellar distances, but I wouldn’t bet on it for the short ones, such as the distance to Alpha Centauri. It’s probably not true that the signals could not be detected over somewhat longer distances. The SETI people are talking about shifting their focus from hypothetical beacons to hypothetical leakage. They say that an airport radar could be detected at some tens of light-years – I forget the number, but it’s 20 or 40 or 60 – something like that.
(Zeta Reticuli is 39 light-years from here.)
It is certainly not true that the transmitter would need the power of a star over distances like that or even longer ones. There must be some distance at which it becomes true, but it must be a long one. It does not make sense that power sufficient to make the star visible would be required for a radio signal to be detected. To say it would is like saying that we could not detect the signal unless any old kitchen radio could detect it.
Atheist – “There is no God”
Scientist – “We are living in a computer simulation which at some point will end”
Atheist – “That’s freaky man!”
http://news.techeye.net/science/scientists-plan-test-to-see-if-the-entire-universe-is-a-simulation-created-by-futuristic-supercomputers
@SpeakEasy: It’s always good to know Bruce Willis
We’ll all be saved – yaaay!
Looks like Bruce did his job. We are all still here. Thank you, Mr. Willis.
Don’t worry–the Rapture was 1000AD, and all the souls went to heaven. They left the bodies behind, tho, and we’ve just been running around on automatic since then. Probably explains moral decay.
Well there’s a caution. Now I’ve gotta hurry up and send Christmas cards and do some shopping. Last time I ever believe a Mayan. . .
May be others already passed their singularity point. Than even they study us, we are not able to detect their presence.
When we’ll do most of us will be relegated to some zoo item if post-singularity specie will find it amusing to keep us around.
smoking frog – The point about Earth’s detectability is mostly that there is something very odd about the Sun at radio wavelengths. Over the last 100 years, the luminosity of Sol in that range has (from the point of view of any star) roughly doubled, and the radio noise has a very odd spectrum also.
Regarding the detection of extrasolar civilisations, I have seen recently that there is a serious proposal to look for Dyson swarms by detecting their signature – which is basically a large (red giant sized), Sol-luminosity object with a spectrum peak in the deep infrared, corresponding to a blackbody temperature of around 300K. This is because a Dyson swarm would have to dump waste heat.
Why haven’t we seen anything like that before? Because we haven’t looked.
Wretchard,
Since it’s already tomorrow in Australia (or is it yesterday in America? I keep getting them mixed up.) Does that mean the world’s already ended for you and we’re just watching reruns?
KRB
Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!
Marvin the Martian
Physicist Freeman Dyson of the Institute for Advanced Study dryly noted:
“With their energy output comparable to that of a small star, they should be visible from space. Dyson has proposed that a Type II civilization may even build a gigantic sphere around their star to more efficiently utilize its total energy output. Even if they try to conceal their existence, they must, by the Second Law of Thermodynamics, emit waste heat. From outer space, their planet may glow like a Christmas tree ornament. Dyson has even proposed looking specifically for infrared emissions (rather than radio and TV) to identify these Type II civilizations.”
And yet another unattributed theory called the Christmas Tree Scenario -
“A factor that many people fail to consider is time. Think of the galaxy as a Christmas tree with blinking lights throughout its space. Each brief light pulse is the life of a technological civilization. While there may be many lights turned on at any one given instant, the chance of two adjacent lights being on at the same time is much lower. Even if we could look into the night sky and see a big bright indicator light for every world that has a civilization, remember that that information is hundreds, thousands, even tens of thousands of years old. If we launched a spaceship to any one of them, even if it could travel at some meaningful fraction of light speed, the chances of that civilization still existing by the time we got there are small.
Even civilizations that survive their nuclear age and manage not to kill themselves are still vulnerable to Mother Nature. Terrestrial killers like supervolcanos and pandemics, and cosmic killers like asteroids, novae and supernovae, can all destroy the hardiest populations. No civilization lives forever, and on a 14-billion year time scale, very few will happen to live side-by-side at the same time.” – Skeptoid
Merry Christmas!
I’m not going! Who’s with me?
Just spent almost $700 on bedding and bathroom stuff.
Great moments in bad timing.
Hope this survives.
Pyramiding
Again.
:-}
I was waiting to see if the Dolphins left the planet before I would panic. Either there is no impending danger or they can’t bear to leave all the free fish. Either way, I’ve got my towel handy.
Nobody going to mention the Bear/Brin approach, that making radio noise attracts predators, but whether the first aliens in enlighten, enslave, or simply consume you hardly matters, in any case you quickly go quiet again. In which case we should expect our alien overlords in short order now.
(Tapping watch….)
Still here.
Maybe they meant “The end of the world as we know it”. I still don’t see any difference.
@47…
So, it’s a twist on Master Chef?
blert’s #11 “Is that all there is?”
reminded me of a terrific joke I heard told on — of all places — Colbert’s show. He told it to a guest, a regular, who happens to be a priest:
An atheist commits suicide and is astonished to find himself at the Pearly Gates, and St. Peter conducts him into the presence of G_d Himself.
“This is amazing,” the atheist exclaims. “First of all, I never believed in Heaven, or G_d, and still more, I was told on earth that suicide is a mortal sin, and we suicides would never be admitted to Heaven, which I of course thought didn’t exist, in any case.”
G_d smiles indulgently and replies, “Well, those theologians down on earth are rather hidebound and narrow-minded. Up here We aren’t nearly so doctrinaire. We know everybody thinks about suicide, at least once in a while… Even I think about it from time to time.”
The atheist is even more amazed hearing this. “You! G_d! You think about suicide?!”
The Lord replies, “Sure. Sometimes I look around, and I ask myself, ‘Is this all there is?’”
***
Too bad that metaphysical humor is such a rare thing.
Jamie Irons
I can’t think of a better time to start jingling some bells
Here’s to all here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAC3jp8Z5c4
marymcl @ 51 – You might like Harry Belafonte’s penance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKKZlUzULP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyu_bA0mqEw
oxymoron: intelligent life would want to communicate with humans.
Wait, you mean none of you felt that trans-dimensional crystalline-plane mind shift? I did. In the Bible, the names of people and places are changed to represent change, so guess I’d better do that.
Though I shall always abide, hereafter I will be known as Dragdif. This name has childhood connotations for me, so I think it appropriate for the new age of enlightenment.
Enjoy the next trans-Baktar-whatever.
To MachiasPrivateer #52
Harry Belafonte’s “To Wish You a Merry Christmas” 1962 Album remains, in my opinion, the most perfect assemblage of Christmas Carols I have heard.
My dear Grandmother sent it to us, and I purchased it again when it came out on CD in 1990.
Belafonte sings them in a deeply spiritual way.
In the Spirit of the Season, I will not comment further on Mr. Belafonts.
And now, the end is here
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I’ll say it clear
I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain
I’ve lived a life that’s full
I traveled each and ev’ry highway
And more, much more than this, I did it my way
I Did It My Way
The Mayan apocalypse did not happen… only the one we voted for –
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Lost Faith
“I had a lot of faith in the system, the mythology that if you work really hard you can achieve anything, and the stock market always goes up,” says 2009 law school graduate Elizabeth Hallock, 33. “It was pretty naïve on my part.”
Hallock is the named plaintiff in one of 14 lawsuits against some of the nation’s best-known law schools, including her alma mater, the University of San Francisco School of Law. The civil complaints, filed in 2011 and 2012, accuse the institutions of overstating graduates’ job-placement results and incomes.
Young Americans are struggling to reconcile their lack of economic rewards with their relatively privileged upbringings by Baby Boomer parents and the material success of their older peers, Generation X, born in the late 1960s and 1970s, says Kathy Sheehan, general manager of GfK Consumer Trends and Roper Reports, a unit of German-based research firm GfK.
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Democrats, republicans, young and old voted for Che’ Guevara chic and against capitalism, the rich and businesses. In short they voted to indebt themselves to fill the coffers of teacher’s pensions and free condoms. I wonder if and when it will sink in that they have been had. Those who mislead them themselves grew up with one axiom; “Do not trust anybody over thirty”. Generation Y had no comparable rule. Just that their elders had it all figured out for them. It will be interesting to see if generation Z will be so naïve, or just a bunch of kids doped up on Ritalin and playing video games like Alan Lanza.
No one here can love
or understand me,
Oh, what hard luck stories
they all hand me,
Make my bed
and light the light,
I’ll be home late tonight,
Blackbird bye bye.
Has anyone ever considered the notion that when you die and if you go to Hell that the infernal powers may just decide that the worst punishment you could get would be to maintain the pre-death status quo for you forever?
Its just a thought … maybe the world did end today.
@52 MachiasPrivateer
Tis the season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znsKhhRSx5g&feature=related
“If theres no one else out there, it seems like an awful waste of space.” Carl Sagan
“Maybe it takes all of that to keep all of this in balance.” me (Walter Adams)
“What is space to God? He can waste all that he wants, then make more. And he personally needs none of it.” -Minuteman
I’ve always liked Calvin’s * take on this subject:
“Perhaps the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is the fact that none of it has ever tried to contact us.”
* of Calvin & Hobbes, so really Bill Watterson
Well, this seems appropriate to this thread, also as an antidote to the tsunami of saccharine overwhelming us right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ftld7Ohojg&hl=en-GB&gl=GB
Randall Munroe also has an apt comment about the subject:
http://xkcd.com/893/
Comment for the comic (hover over it; it’s like his easter-egg 2nd punchline or something):
“The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there’s no good reason to go into space–each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision.”
As 53 and 62 and 64, hinted at, what reason would an advanced civilization capable of interstellar travel WANT to communicate with us? With the energy and technology necessary for such transport, there is little that we could be of interest.
This is explained to some degree in a book “Introduction to Planetary Defense.”
Personally, the argument for many other civilizations is pretty compelling but our planet is probably treated as an eco-tourism destination only. One would expect some sort of intergalactic politics, much like in “Men in Black” hinted at. A visit to Earth might require a permit!