The Dead Hand Again
You can read it as tragedy or as farce but read the New York Times blogger John Harwood’s post on “Mystery for White House: Where Did the Jobs Go?” Harwood writes, “the whodunit has flummoxed economists in both parties for a year.” And the captains of the ship of state are no nearer to a solution to this mystery. The article says:
In January 2009, Mr. Obama’s economic advisers predicted that unemployment would peak around 8 percent if Congress passed their recommended stimulus program. As Republicans never tire of pointing out now, the rate hit 10.1 percent by October and has fallen less than one percentage point since. …
Christina Romer, who leads the council now for Mr. Obama, said, “We’ve done a lot of things to look at possible explanations.”
Analysts looked into whether the troubled housing market created “job-lock” by preventing potential employees from selling homes and moving toward new opportunities. They also considered whether extended unemployment benefits deterred others from going back to work. But they concluded that such factors couldn’t explain the magnitude of job losses.
Instead, their analysis pointed toward the effect of the financial crisis on business owners who reacted to the fear and uncertainty by laying off employees in extraordinary numbers.
But whatever the cause happens to be the more proximate problem is to find a way to get out of the line of blame; to associate the unidentified X factor of failure with George W. Bush, so that whatever befalls the onus will fall on the past and not on the business’ expectation of the future. Describe things so that business is still being haunted by the past, not frightened by the future. For the the future, which is where President Obama’s accomplishments all happen to be, is by definition bright and beautiful. The dark past, even the past 500 days, all belong to GWB.
At the White House, Mr. Axelrod says voters “aren’t necessarily prepared to turn back” to the Republicans he says “dug the hole” of joblessness to start with. But unless Democrats make that argument more effectively, the jobs emergency will remain a political emergency for Mr. Obama and his party.
But before Mr. Axelrod casts around for yet another dead hand to remove from the President’s shoulder, the question is which hand should he remove? There are several and in fact Congress is adding more dead hands all the time. There are more dead hands in the 2,000 page pieces of legislation that are being churned out than you can shake a stick at. Unless the offending influence can be identified and the economists freed from their bafflement then fixing things is going to be a problem. But that would be too simple. It would imply a willingness to take time to solve problems piecewise instead of by broad brush strokes. No. What we need is radical change.
But radical interventions do not always improve the state of a complex system. Sometimes you don’t even know what they do. People who invoke the ‘precautionary principle’ to mandate wholesale changes in “carbon” do so with the implicit certitude they know what they are doing, even when as in this case, they don’t. But who cares? If we can re-architecture climate, we can re-architecture society. At a recent talk I attended on “climate change” one speaker argued one of the things reducing CO2 might also do is reduce plant growth. Is it true? Well if it is then on the day after we reduce the “carbon footprint” to the levels desired by Greenies the question we might see posed in the newspapers is: “Mystery for White House: Where Did the Crops Go?” Tragedy or farce?
The past for all of its faults contains a lot information about how things work. Human institutions — the existence of families, constitutional arrangements, etc — have evolved in response to concrete challenges. They are the way they are for a reason. Very often things seem simple because they are really complicated and unfortunately every now and again a generation of leaders comes along that sees no obvious use for this or that thing. And like a mechanic newly arrived on the scene, they pluck it out of the mass of roiling machinery without understanding its purposes or simply because they don’t like who invented it and throw it away, believing in their wisdom or vanity, that the systems they inherited were conceived in ignorance, superstition and by NASCAR afficionados. Then without a backup, without an image, without the possibility of rollback the unexpected sometimes happens. Murphy shows up at the door. And looking up at that eminent Irishman they subsequently ask “why are you here?”
Thus the gold standard in public policy was to leave people to make their own arrangements unless there was a compelling interest to do otherwise. Because people do things for a reason, even if it is not clear to us why, and being in the innermost OODA loop, they are in a better position to change course if they get it wrong. The default activity of government, which operates in distant capitals was to do nothing. This attitude is captured in the folk saying, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” But that is so yesterday. None of those old sayings stands a chance before the great enterprise of transcendant Hope and Change. And what is that? Just change it and hope it works.
Now if that doesn’t turn out in the expected way, how about we try this. Instead of depending on the cumulative effects of generations of political dead hands, let’s try relying on the invisible hand — the aggregate arrangments of people in the marketplace — for a change. People if left to order their affairs usually do so sensibly. My guess is that the man in the street understands very well where the jobs went. But what does he know?
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…“the whodunit has flummoxed economists in both parties for a year.”
It’s like Star Trek episode #101, “The Economists,” about a civilization that’s forgotten how to feed itself while surrounded by edible fruit.
Richard- I am absolutely flummoxed you haven’t read Codevilla’s oeuvre: he wrote two of the best books ever written on intelligence and war: the first one, Informing Statecraft, is to this day (20 years later) the best book I’ve ever read on intelligence, as well as the clearest explanation possible why we’re losing those shadow wars.
Where did the jobs go? Where did the crops go? Where did the country go? Fox News has video of a black woman USDA official regaling an NAACP audience with the story of how she gave little or no help to a white bankrupt farmer because ‘he thought he was better than me’, and because ‘so many black farmers had lost their land’. Don’t know where the jobs are going, but this is where the country’s going. Zimbabwe, anyone?
Buddy….Montana is fine. Hope all is well with you and yours. Been doing a good deal of riding and shooting. Life is good.
Here at the Club it has been long established that Carbon Dioxide is gaseous fertilizer. NASA research established that conclusively decades ago with regard to closed-cycle food supplies for space travel.
Once you let ‘Race Justice’ in the tent government sponsored racism is the consequence.
If the Hispanic vote follows racial rage — we shall see a reverse migration of Americans back to Africa. It will be better to be a king in SA than a nobody in North America.
I can’t believe that the Resident, child of spleen, will permit a crushing reversal of block politics.
Great post, W. That the NY Times is as stupid as the Obama Administration is somewhat upsetting, but maybe articles like these will hasten its deserved demise. Our economy is so bound up in regulations and restrictions and impediments like worthless lawsuit trolls, it’s hard to imagine anyone making a choice to invest in any situation other than a prospective “pot of gold” opportunity.
We have, somehow, to get back to a situation where the government sets some reasonable rules of engagement, then gets out of the way except to swat rule-breakers hard. And, leave most of the money to the companies, so that they have the means to make all kinds of bets – home-run swings and incremental upgrade investments.
Otherwise, the great run of wealth creation is over. There are monumental problems (of which “anthropogenic global warming” categorically is not one) to be solved, but job one is to unfetter the economy and allow the business environment to be attractive. That generates gigantic cash flows and other capabilities that can then be directed to tackling other issues.
Ain’t gonna happen under Obama. Maybe the Republicans can find their roots and turn things around, but I’ll not hold my breath. The situation is dire. I am really concerned for the future of the country and for my children and grandchildren. I am furious that idiots such as those who publish the NY Times have come to hold such great sway in the USA.
Wretchard says: But radical interventions do not always improve the state of a complex system. Sometimes you don’t even know what they do.
In honor of buddy larsen, who started the Rodgers and Hammerstein revival on the previous thread, here’s “Is A Puzzlement” from The King and I (1951):
When I was a boy
World was better spot.
What was so was so,
What was not was not.
Now I am a man;
World have changed a lot.
Some things nearly so,
Others nearly not.
There are times I almost think
I am not sure of what I absolutely know.
Very often find confusion
In conclusion I concluded long ago
In my head are many facts
That, as a student, I have studied to procure,
In my head are many facts…
Of which I wish I was more certain I was sure!
[Spoken:] Is a puzzlement!
What to tell growing son
What for instance, shall I say to him of women?
Shall I educate him on the ancient lines?
Shall I tell the boy as far as he is able,
To respect his wives and love his concubines?
Shall I tell him every one is like the other,
And the better of the two is really neither?
If I tell him this I think he won’t believe it–
And I nearly think that I don’t believe it either!
When my father was a king
He was a king who knew exactly what he knew,
And his brain was not a thing
Forever swinging to and fro and fro and to.
Shall I, then be like my father
And be willfully unmovable and strong?
Or is it better to be right?…
Or am I right when I believe I may be wrong?
Shall I join with other nations in alliance?
If allies are weak, am I not best alone?
If allies are strong with power to protect me,
Might they not protect me out of all I own?
Is a danger to be trusting one another,
One will seldom want to do what other wishes;
But unless someday somebody trust somebody
There’ll be nothing left on earth– excepting fishes!
There are times I almost think
Nobody sure of what he absolutely know.
Everybody find confusion
In conclusion he concluded long ago
And it puzzle me to learn
That tho’ a man may be in doubt of what he know,
Very quickly he will fight…
He’ll fight to prove that what he does not know is so!
Oh-h-h-h-h-h Sometimes I think that people going mad!
Ah-h-h-h-h-h! Sometimes I think that people not so bad!
But not matter what I think I must go on living life.
As leader of my kingdom I must go forth,
Be father to my children and husband to each wife
Et cetera, et cetera, and so forth.
If my Lord in Heaven Buddha, show the way!
Everyday I try to live another day.
If my Lord in Heaven Buddha, show the way!
Everyday I do my best for one more day!
[Spoken:]But– Is a puzzlement!
Yul Brynner singing this song in the original 1951 stage production:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxrSprn74Nw
My guess is that the man in the street understands very well where the jobs went.
No kidding.
In case there was any doubt, I’m sure I’ve explained it at length a dozen times here on BC over the past month or three.
You start with a map of the world, and you cross out the USA.
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From NRO:
Do Not Trust Cornyn or McConnell on Spending Cuts
Bulls-eye. Sad but true.
Maybe, just maybe the government can manage a recovery. Micro managing a recovery is a fool’s job. Are you listening Obama? If anyone can show me one major project the government has finished on time, on budget and with the desired results, I might change my mind.
Which shows how clueless the White House is. Figures when a POTUS with no managerial experience in the private sector assembles a Cabinet that has practically nil private sector experience, that no one has a clue why all those new regs and proposed regs et al have a “chilling effect” on companies considering hiring.
Some quotations from Chesterton:
“I believe what really happens in history is this: the old man is always wrong; and the young people are always wrong about what is wrong with him. The practical form it takes is this: that, while the old man may stand by some stupid custom, the young man always attacks it with some theory that turns out to be equally stupid.” – ILN 6-3-22
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.” – ILN, 4/19/24
…Obungle isn’t going to get ” better “. More devious. More cunning. More obtuse……maybe, but not better. We’ve seen the best he can do and it’s feeble, paltry and inadequate. Well Hell, SOMEBODY had to rescue Jimmah’s legacy. Who better than an affirmative action no load screwup. A conniver. A flim flam man of color who we enabled, developed, and promoted beyond his level of competence. I don’t believe in predestination, but if ever anything was ” written “….it was that we would take the failure narrative to it’s ( illogical ) conclusion.
It’s not clear which is scarier: the disappearance of the jobs or the apparent surprise at it’s disappearance. These past months bad economic news has always been prefaced by modifers like ‘surprisingly’ or ‘unexpectedly’. I regarded stories written ‘job losses have been unexpectedly high’ or ‘economic recovery has been surprisingly slow’ as attempts to spin bad tidings. The journalists must have known the truth and were putting the best face on it, weren’t they?
But now I realize that the administration’s economic managers may have actually expected their regulatory purgatives, taxation, transfer payments and deficit spending to work its socialist wonder. Truly. Genuinely. Breathlessly. And they are still waiting.
Some part of me hoped that Paul Krugman’s advice to borrow the country out of debt was really a joke. I mean, come on? He couldn’t be serious could he? But now it occurs to me that he was genuinely serious; that he meant every word of it and is now genuinely puzzled at the strange fact that the sum of negative numbers isn’t positive. Oh-kay. It’s like being in an insane asylum where inmates calling themselves Napoleon, Alexander the Great and Moses are playing cards and ask you to join them. Do you go along and play the game as ‘Julius Caesar’ or do you just try and climb the lowest part of the perimeter wall and hope to God you can get out?
Dear Buddy Larsen,
First, here is the link to the Wall Street Journal article about the 20 “anomalies” amid the statements from oil workers on the rig that blew up. This weekend you had provided a link to a Reuters mention of the WSJ article…
Next, if I understood you correctly, you indicated you spent some years in the industry working in drilling on land and on offshore platforms. The information and perspective you’ve provided in this matter are unusually concise and specific, and the main point of mentioning your experience is to clarify how much confidence we can have in your observations & comments.
Finally, it would really be wonderful to see all your comments on the oil spill rounded up into a single essay or just a compilation to which readers could link.
Thanks for your thoughts.
If I gotta, I might just plow through the last month and pluck’em out myself. Of course, that would probably be a violation of our hosts’ (W and PJM) copyright.
Please don’t force me to do bad thing.
We all know the real answer: racism.
That and George Bush.
I long for the day when Obama skulks out of the White House muttering “I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids!”
Wretchard says: It’s like being in an insane asylum where inmates calling themselves Napoleon, Alexander the Great and Moses are playing cards and ask you to join them. Do you go along and play the game as ‘Julius Caesar’ or do you just try and climb the lowest part of the perimeter wall and hope to God you can get out?
You could try playing the game as ‘Sigmund Freud’ and see whether that drives them sane, or play it as ‘J. Robert Oppenheimer’ and just threaten to nuke them.
Politics is often about people who ought to know better ignoring the supreme law of the universe — the Law of Unintended Consequences.
When old King George stuck that tax on tea, he did not realize it would lead to the loss of his North American colonies. Britain had for decades been sending its convicts and ne’er-do-wells to the North American colonies in servitude, effectively as slaves. With the loss of the colonies, it became necessary to ship those undesireables further, thereby leading to the founding of Australia. When Australia cuts its ties to royalty, as it someday will, it will probably signal the end of the British Royal Family even back in the old country.
And all King George thought he was doing was raising a little tax revenue.
17. PA Cat
I like the way you think.
Speaking of Raaaaaaacism, the Black USDA babe who bragged to an NAACP gathering about how she blew off the white farmer who needed her help has ‘resigned’. Kudos to Andrew Breitbart for using the Alinsky playbook right back at them.
If as you propose Wretchard, Mr. Axelrod is seeking which “dead Hand to remove” does this mean he is seeking to utilize the dead hand switch?
The dead hand switch can be seen in the guise of the jobs that were paid for by the Obama stimulus package, which debt remains even while the questionable benefits expire. Some of those benefits have not yet kicked in and will continue through 2011.
While there is much to the charge about republican spending, much of that spending is done in pursuit of an acknowledged and bipartisan goal. Defense spending due to the use of private firms to produce the stuff that supplies our troops, and R&D that seeks to protect or perform better the jobs that place our troops at risk, tend to generate jobs and create wealth. Government jobs and government programs beyond feeding the local bistro, tend to consume wealth and do not add to the economic health. Such is the nature of past GOP sponsored spending that the stuff that generates wealth out weighed the stuff that abused the taxpayer. Such has not been the case with the advent of and abuse of pork and set asides.
Spending, in and of itself is not always a bad thing. In this case it has the unexpected positive of being just spending with little benefit to anyone but bureaucrats and Union pension managers.
I just met an American couple today of non-Asian descent (near Senor Equis undisclosed location) who were getting ready to move to China. And they’re not Chinese. And they don’t speak the language near as I can tell at all. Meanwhile the Chinese I have met in the U.S. despite the alleged world-record amount of trade we are doing with Beijing cannot find work. One of them has a background in finance like Senor Equis but also did energy trading in CT, and now she’s back looking for work again. Something does not compute.
“If the Hispanic vote follows racial rage — we shall see a reverse migration of Americans back to Africa. It will be better to be a king in SA than a nobody in North America.” Let me say in response to this quote that it won’t. But there’s still plenty of black earth in Russia that may now be farmed more than five months out of the year thanks to Global Warming (TM). And the Motherland is calling, with a nod to Catherine the Great who settled lots of Germans in the Volga region until Stalin resettled them to Germany or the U.S.:
http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2010/06/emmigration-reform-what-shape-should-it.html
20. jWarrior
What I don’t get is why they felt she needed to resign, given how carefully managed the “mainstream” newsmedia reports were. What made them decide that it was just too hot for them? There’s a lesson in there somewhere, but I’m tired at the moment, and am having trouble figuring out what it is.
One more bonus for Buddy, courtesy of Mr. Mishin.
http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2010/07/american-lenin.html
Wretchard, Bravo on comment #14- It is madness indeed!
As with the oil spill in the Gulf, or any other endeavor to which this tragically progressive administration sets it’s hand, the economy could have been better managed by The Three Stooges. There are some things that only government can do: catastrophe masquerading as farce.
One of my earliest conjectures was that O intends to destroy the country and then, like Idi Amin, retire to Saudi Arabia. However, your post, Wretchard, has made me think yes, perhaps it really is possible that O and his handlers are (!) True Believers who have no time for rational analyses. They are all too busy seeing Victims of Capitalism/Racism everywhere they look, like people on LSD sometimes see the same weird chimera all around them, or even if they close their eyes. Psychotics, too, are divorced from reality.
# 18. Kinuachdrach
Politics is often about people who ought to know better ignoring the supreme law of the universe — the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Yeah–but these days its more like the Three Stooges trying to disarm a ticking time bomb that they accidentally activated in the first place.
The current crop of pompous clowns in Washington D.C. provide ample evidence that Forrest Gump’s dictum that “stupid is as stupid does” is absolutely true and correct.
#26 Tamquam–
I guess great minds think alike. The similarity to the Three Stooges occurred to both of us. I had not read your comment before I posted mine.
12: aardvark: Chesterston was a prophet.
“The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.”
In America in 2010, scratch “Conservative” in that sentence and replace it with “Republican.” When I read that a GOP politician, fresh from addressing a Tea Party rally in DC, mocked the Tea Party folks to a reporter over drinks, I realize the enormity of what we are up against. Not only the present administration, the MSM, the massive government bureaucracy, the unions and the “educators”, but the witless, spineless Republicans who made their peace with the social welfare state long ago and don’t understand why the proles are in such a tizzy. They didn’t learn one damn thing from 2006; they still expect our automatic allegiance because they have a “R” after their name.
Peggy Noonan has a column in the WSJ bemoaning the lack of wise old men, Atticus Finch types, in DC. But then Peggy carried water for Obama back in the day and still sneers at bloggers. Noonan speaks with forked tongue. I’m sure she knows age does not automatically confer wisdom (Exhibit A: Biden). What she really wishes for are the days when we deferred to people like Walter Cronkite and like, well, like Peggy, DC insiders much more sophisticated and intelligent than we are to interpret the news du jour for us. Nowadays we uppity ones are deciding for ourselves what to think and say and how to vote, which vexes and terrifies pundits and elites in both parties. If Fred Parker of Sioux City can think for himself, why is Peggy Noonan drawing a WSJ paycheck? Hell, why is she even drawing breath?
“Where did the crops go?” Brawndo is what plants CRAVE! It’s got ELECTROLYTES!
I fall back on my “unevolved Progressives” theory, that today’s leftists are stuck with a hunter-gatherer’s view of how things get made. Stuff “just appears.” The Universe provides. The idea that somebody did something to make it is, well, you can explain it to them and they might even nod their heads, but they don’t really understand. So they never understand when stuff stops getting made. Bread shows up on the shelves because that where bread shows up. Why do you conservatives keep talking about farmers and bakers and truck drivers. What do they have to do with it? It was the lawyer-priests who made sure the gods were happy and gave us bread.
The rest of us, we got a little genetic mutation somewheres back that lets us understand how it works. Asking a Progressive to understand the economy is like asking a dog to see the color red – ain’t genetically possible. Dogs only have cone cells for blue and yellow. They can see those colors. Progressives can understand some things. But dogs can’t see red and Progressives can’t understand economics.
wretchard @ 14: The favorite theme at BC is clearly erudite, poetic, learned essays on how things are falling apart. And why not – when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
My path the last few years has taught me a painful lesson, the more painful because it seems almost impossible to share – that the number of people who really, truly know “stuff” in our complex, modern world, to the degree that they can manipulate it with more skill than luck, is vanishingly small.
That a Nobel-prize winning economist recommends gibberish – surprises me much less than I wish. OTOH, look at the Nobel committe itself, awarding prizes to Al Gore for unscientific fraud, and to Obambus the Magnificent, simply for being possibly and potentially and contingently Magnificent.
The theme for the modern day is simply aggressive ignorance, which for the most part is arrogant lack of ability more than malignancy or fraud. I saw yet another beautiful exhibit of it just today, when some suit came to visit us poor peons on the front line. “Learn to meet and greet us, it’s your path to greatness!” he said. “Tell us what you’re working on, we really want to know!” Er, what?
Like Obambus and Thad Allen playing petroleum engineer. Right. But then, why not? Look at BP, who supposedly had the technical skills – misapplying it, and misapplying it, and misapplying it, etc. Would we be better off to have a billion dollar oil platform managed by the first twenty names in the Boston phone book, than by BP management?
Maybe that’s why Rome fell after all, because when you’re up, the only way is down. The true dharma is not hidden, it is simply swamped by the false dharma.
We have had a nice golden age for the past few hundred years. Perhaps it’s over. It’s all very Hari Seldon.
JMH@32, I have to admit I have had numerous disturbing epiphanies throughout my life — now nigh onta six decades of it. Many times I abruptly awake to the humbling realization that I’ve been overlooking some enormous obvious feature of the landscape through which I’d been stumbling.
When I was teaching for a few years in a school that offered an excellent program in Industrial Design was the first time it ever really struck me that EVERY SINGLE ITEM we buy as consumers has gone through an extended process of conceptualization, research of how humans use similar products, investigation of materials and manufacturing processes for possible designs for the product, analysis of market potential, pricing, et cetera.
I mean, it’s something you know at some deep level, but it was never conscious before I actually saw students grappling with the process.
And I’ve re-read Niven & Pournelle’s “Lucifer’s Hammer” about six times since it came out.
Jeez.
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p.s. to Josh – GREAT. I will honor your phrase by stealing it… with slight twisting…
“Obambus the potentially and contingently Magnificent Maybe.”
Josh…
“Congenitally Magnificent Gonnabee” — just ask Stanley.
It’s bloody obvious where the jobs go. They go to where the production is. We have been wont to think that we can be these creative geniuses who do the high-value work like engineering, design, marketing, and finance, while we ship out the low-value work like manufacturing overseas.
I sum up our problem with this mantra: with the production goes the technology. Take televisions as an example. During the 1970′s the United States was the world leader in television production in terms of quantity and in terms of quality and in terms of technical excellence. The television was a product invented in the United States, one whose protocols were standardized in the United States not on all levels, from the manufacture of televisions themselves to the manufacture of television cameras and on up the chain to the estabishment of network programming and the the network broadcasting model. By the 1980′s no television was produced in the United States, but rather in Japan and Taiwan. By the 1990′s all innovations in televisions, such as the flatscreen display notably, happened in these countries. And also camera technologies.
By the year 2000, even the content creation and the network broadcasting model began to strain in the face of the technological challenges of cable and broader bandwidths available to homes. Today, 3D television is about to emerge and our challenge is merely one of how to learn it and to adopt it. We’ve become end-users of the technology, not drivers of it.
This pattern repeats across whole swaths of industry. For myself, I come from a town that was the fleece-lined sweatshirt capital of the world, and also the maker of the world’s finest terrycloth towels, and also the maker of the world’s best hardwood furniture that was competitively priced for the common home, and also a major source of latex production.
All those plants are closed. Every one of them. All those machine shops that supported them are dead, too. All the engineers and plant managers were taken off to China and to Mexico to teach them how to run and to maintain their factories, then they all came back, took their buy-out packages and retired. That knowledge will die with them on these shores, and relatively soon in the scope of things. There are damn few jobs left here if you’ve graduated with an engineering degree of any kind. You best look down the road for that, to some kind of government facility where you can work for a few years and, if you’re a real good engineer, get yourself promoted out of engineering and into project management. We reserve the actual engineering to only our worst engineers. Coming in late, over budget, and with disappointing results.
Update the Marley tune: No production, no pride!
Where the jobs go? Instead of building nuclear power plants (think of all the trades; all the material; all the small, medium, and large companies needed to complete just one) ‘we’ dream about windmills. Instead of building new and more refineries (think of all the trades; all the material; all the small, medium, and large companies needed to complete just one) ‘we’ dream about a hydrogen economy. Instead of developing our own abundant carbon-base energy sources (think of all the trades; all the material; all the small, medium, and large companies needed to do just that) ‘we’ dream of carpeting the desert with solar panels. Instead of returning to the moon (think of all the trades; all the material; all the small, medium, and large companies needed for that endeavour) ‘we’ dream of an idyllic return to nature and a past that never was. Instead of giving our sailors, soliders, airmen and Marines the tools and resources to vanquish our enemies (think of all the trades; all the material; all the small, medium, and large companies needed to support the effort) ‘we’ dream of a peace that will never be. Instead of being realistic, ‘we’ dream. Think that sums it up. Next question.
It’s even worse than you describe, Tarnsman. Take carpeting the desert with solar panels. Yes, we are goaded toward that goal. But try to do it. Guess who comes along saying, “Hey! You can’t do that it’s too invasive! Think of the desert ecology! Do more environmental impact studies!”??? For starters. We are truly screwed by these clueless bandits!
Today C-Span ran an encore presentation of a hearing conducted by the House and Senate Western States caucuses on the problem of job loss in their states.
The thing that shocked the pee outa me was the datum that several folks confirmed— namely, that the perverse combination of hostility from the Federal agencies, the administration, AND citizen lawsuits have ended up squelching even MORE “alternative energy” project startups than new coal and oil startups!
Look at the deliberate withholding of irrigation water from farmers in California’s central valley — It’s the policy of fanatically doctrinaire bureaucrats following the enabling letter of the Endangered Species legislation.
Next, there are horrendous consequences to local industries and economies when a president creates a bunch of protected “monuments” (under the 1906 Antiquities act, I think.)
Lot of information about how the ecofanatics outside the government work with the courts, agency bureaucrats, and the administration and leftward scurrying congresscritters to use legislation that was NOT meant to cripple the country to … well… cripple the country.
Yes, Wretchard, Krugman does believe that it’s possible to borrow our way of out debt. It’s companion idea is that we can spend our way out of a recession. The same kind of unsound thinking leads to similarly obtuse ideas, things like (1) you can improve healthcare quality and access by increasing government involvement (2) certain institutions are too big to be allowed to fail (3) not naming an enemy means they’re not your enemy (4) leadership is exemplified by blaming your predecessor for problems you made worse and (5) credentials and charisma are acceptable substitutes for, if not superior to, experience and demonstrated competence.
Wretchard #14 & Josh #33
It’s not so surprising that Krugman is so wrong.
Often cited is his Nobel Prize in economics, supposedly a factoid which means all that comes from his mouth is ultimate wisdom.
In fact, he won that prize not for expertise in general economics but for a narrowly defined bit of work specifically in the field of international trade.
To expect him to have excellent knowledge and expertise in general economics, or in a field of economics having nothing to do with international trade like domestic jobs policy, would be the equivalent of thinking that a root canal specialist who has been practicing for 20 years could easily do what a general dentist or an oral surgeon can do, or to expect a hand surgeon to be highly competent at being your local GP doctor or a kidney specialist.
Krugman is a specialist and might be talented at his specialty but like many academics assumes that he is brilliant in all fields simply because he is highly competent in one.
Anne Applebaum at the Washington Post writes:
From this she concludes that Americans want Big Government. Since Big Government is the voter’s creation the Tea Party people ought to quit complaining. Americans bought it and they should learn to like it. She writes “Yet we not only demand ludicrous levels of personal and political safety, we also rant and rave against the vast bureaucracies we have created — democratically, constitutionally, openly — to deliver it.”
Two replies come to mind. One is “what do you mean we bought it kemo sabe?” and the other is “can I change my mind?” The reality is that not everybody wanted Big Government. Some people wanted it, others did not. The Constitution is scarred by track of people pulling political power back and forth. It’s not as if people wanted the roller coaster ride and now demand their money back. Besides that proof of nonunanimity, it seems somewhat unfair to ascribe to everyone what the progressivists, were things going better would be glad to take credit for. The gigantic state is only everyone’s fault when its defects are obvious. But it would surely be celebrated as the progressive achievement alone if its advantages were real.
Yet in a way she is correct. The electorate, for all it has done and all it has failed to do, has by commission or omission allowed itself to be pulled over the decades long tug of war into the mud. While in that sense everybody is responsible for where things stand it is somewhat insulting to imply: ‘you only got what you wanted’. The victims of the leftward ratchet having suffered the indignity of being stretched on the rack should at least be spared the insult of being told they really like it.
But even so, people can change their minds. As each step was yielded to parties who now seek to spread the onus for their manifest failures, they were hurried on by whispers of its inevitability. It’s always too late to “turn back the clock”. Pull. It’s always too late to “turn back the clock”. Pull.
Now with final ‘victory’ in sight, Applebaum’s argument is the final hustle. Now the mark is being told he must accept the swindle. He’s said he wants the watch and must take it, notwithstanding the fact he now sees its a fake Rolex. Well not while the mark still has power of resistance. But the last step is just the first. Too late to change your mind about that Rolex. Hand me the money. Applebaum argues that Americans were foolish to think they could choose a fate other than that which awaits everyone. That was just plain vanity. She writes:
Oh so that’s what it was all about. No pensions. Medical rationing. A retreat from world power. The cell at the end of the corridor. Did you really believe all those promises we made? Did you believe in Santa Claus? Did you imagine the cell did not exist? But now that everybody knows it’s there maybe it’s not too late to struggle before the bars clang shut. Freedom after all, is another word for nothing left to lose.
Well, it is not a mystery to me why it is a mystery to them. It is a result of the “Pidgin Marxism” that dominates much of our intellectual life. Over the years I have noted that as various Marxist theories are discredited, new ones are minted — usually developed with even less intellectual rigor than the previous one. Of course, they are not labeled as such and tend to be quite abstract so students pick up that manner of thought without realizing it.
Twenty years ago I had a lawyer friend who asked a Stalinist friend to recommend books on Marxism. When I asked him why he was interested in Marxism, he said, “Because it is a powerful analytical tool.” And I said, “Yeah, if you want the wrong answer.”
But in truth, what it provides are convenient answers for our intellectuals, as well as weapons to “baffle them with B.S.” — and, of course, PhDs. But in the process they kind of lose touch with the world as it really operates and end baffling themselves.
Fortunately there is always a new generation of Wreckers to blame for the results. Soon we will have the “Those who hoard profits.”
#32 JMH
“I fall back on my “unevolved Progressives” theory, that today’s leftists are stuck with a hunter-gatherer’s view of how things get made. Stuff “just appears.” The Universe provides. The idea that somebody did something to make it is, well, you can explain it to them and they might even nod their heads, but they don’t really understand. So they never understand when stuff stops getting made. Bread shows up on the shelves because that where bread shows up. Why do you conservatives keep talking about farmers and bakers and truck drivers. What do they have to do with it? It was the lawyer-priests who made sure the gods were happy and gave us bread.”
You are really onto something here.
Ask most urbanites or even suburbanites where food comes from and they’ll answer “the store”. That is literally where the analysis stops.
There is great usefulness in taking kids to farms, even more in going fishing and hunting and having even a small garden to produce food. They are all reminders of what the TRUE means of production really is.
And yet, I’ve encountered dozens of people over the years who will NOT eat anything that wasn’t purchased in a store. Even beautiful produce out of my garden will be refused, because food isn’t “safe” if it wasn’t purchased in a store. Farm fresh eggs are “no good” but the four week old ones from a farm 500 miles away are “good”. It’s almost as if the concept of “store” has magical or religious connotations in terms of safe bounty. FDA and food inspectors as “priests”, perhaps?
As a hunter and a fisherman, I have long suspected that much of the uncomfortableness my avocations engender in squishy environmental types and NPR listening, NYT reading urban leftists is that my very existence reminds them of something they wish so very much to forget – that food, and their very existence, do not derive from this magical “holy” place called “store” and made infallibly safe by the government, but that it comes from hard work, ploughing of land, killing and butchering and processing- low beginnings, they would say – and a string of men, women, warehouses, preparers, and companies that move the food around.
For some reason, this bothers a lot of folks mightily.
“I fall back on my “unevolved Progressives” theory…
Throw into the mix two people — Barack and Michelle — who see their success as a entitlement to a racial share of a finite economic pie, and you’re talking not just “unevolved,” but downright feral.
Yet in a way she is correct. The electorate, for all it has done and all it has failed to do, has by commission or omission allowed itself to be pulled over the decades long tug of war into the mud.
Yes, she is correct. I had dinner a few nights ago with a friend who’s also a legislator. This person knows I’m a Tea Partier and I know they are an honest, good government, middle of the roader with conservative tendencies. We are friends and we can talk frankly, up to a point.
This person told me they didn’t believe the electorate was ready for a Paul Ryan kind of austerity program to bring the national debt under control. They said people would howl if their piece of the pie was diminished.
I suggested it was either that or economic collapse and civil conflict. There was really no where to go from that point, so we talked about football.
That is why we conservatives and libertarians absolutely must turn out in full force this November.
16. Steve Skubinna; I love the Scooby-doo reference
It only remains a mystery if you refuse to understand that it’s intentional.
The “Stimulus” wasn’t a stimulus. It was a scavenging. It was picking what meat remained on the bones and passing it around to the army of thieves.
The muffled howling will really set in as the thieves themselves are tossed into the pot. Then the theme will be who gets eaten last.
One thing about Obama that distinguishes him: He has no good intentions. He’s pure.
Failure is always the consequence of over-reaching hubris. We actually have Obama and his ‘affirmative action’ policies to thank for the present disconfirmation of the progressive hypothesis.
An adage has it that there is no limit to what you can accomplish if you don’t care who gets credit. Narcissist Obama NEEDS to take credit for everything, thus he interferes everywhere, blames everyone else and thus gets no cooperation from those who are able to actually do things.
If Hillary had won, she like slick Willie would have taken undue credit for any economic recovery but without the active interference that is now preventing it. It would have helped progressivism seem sustainable.
Again, there’s no argument conservatives can articulate that is as irrefutable as what liberals actually do when they get to govern.
Some absolutely brilliant comments here. Inspired by the topic and W’s take on it. Cowboy #36 and #38 and Tarnsman #37 are, I think, getting at the root of it.
Why are we in this shape? Magical thinking, on which the Progressives rely so much. In fact it may be their core attribute. It allows them to avoid the “ick factor” and the hard work of how things are made or grown or caught and killed. A sentimental mind is full of gaps and weak points. Analytical rigor, self-honesty, hunger (and respect) for real experience as Makers and Doers –precious little of those. Instead there is easy generalization, lazy opportunistic “logic,” love of Power as the means to get the Makers to make and the Doers to do, all with a (beneficent, all wise) wave of the hand.
It’s not just a weak form of coping with the world, it’s a kind of insanity. And there’s a lot of it. While I believe in the old saw, “anyone who isn’t a liberal at 20 has no heart, and anyone who isn’t a conservative at 40 has no brain,” in fact I think many liberals just get more set in their ways. And they’ve had a solid generation, and much company, to encourage them in doing just that. After the Crunch (and increasingly I think this is “the Last Summer”) they will suffer the most trauma as reality sets its teeth in them.
Obama is a character out of a novel that Orwell didn’t live to write.
Another Chesterton quote, and it ties in with #32 and #42′s observations about the sheer obtuse superficiality of progressives’ concepts of how things happen:
“In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”
This paradox rests on the most elementary common sense. The gate or fence did not grow there. It was not set up by somnambulists who built it in their sleep. It is highly improbably that it was put there by escaped lunatics who were for some reason loose in the street. Some person had some reason for thinking it would be a good thing for somebody. And until we know what the reason was, we really cannot judge whether the reason was reasonable. It is extremely probably that we have overlooked some whole aspect of the question, if something set up by human beings like ourselves seems to be entirely meaningless and mysterious. There are reformers who get over this difficulty by assuming that all their fathers were fools; but if that be so, we can only say that folly appears to be a hereditary disease. But the truth is that nobody has any business to destroy a social institution until he has really seen it as an historical institution. If he knows how it arose, and what purposes it was supposed to serve, he may really be able to say that they were bad purposes, or that they have since become bad purposes, or that they are purposes which are no longer served. But if he simply stares at the thing as a senseless monstrosity that has somehow sprung up in his path, it is he and not the traditionalist who is suffering from an illusion. We might even say that he is seeing things in a nightmare.”
Walt #3:
And the thing is, an honest farmer IS INDEED a whole lot “better” than a crooked racist government bureaucrat.
Word is, the USDA has a ratio of one employee per actual U.S. farmer.
@37. Tarnsman “Where the jobs go?”
The major thing that industry and free market investment needs is some degree of stability — some reasonable degree of assurance that, once you invested $$$ in a project, that some politician won’t decree “Drilling is now prohibited!”, that the EPA won’t decide that your manufacturing process emits too much CO2 and shuts you down, that some judge does not decree you must now recruit exclusively minorities to staff your facility without considering competence.
In the absence of such stability, investment goes elsewhere. One thing about totalitarian, autocratic countries: the rulers CAN decree that conditions will stay conducive to manufacturing.
PS: I miss Whiskey. I think he brought much more to the site than the feminists who complained about him.
It’s not that tricky. The Government is bailing out the Banks, and the banks are lending to the Government to finance the deficit. What could go wrong? The banks have no money to lend to small business. Small business led every recovery. As First Things David Goldman has said, Obama is killing off small business with the efficiency that Stalin killed off the Kulaks. I’ll leave it to the reader to decide whether it was intentional or whether Obama, far from being the smartest guy in the room, is dumber than dirt.
W says of Obama’s Hope and Change “Just change it and hope it works.”
You forget the next step. “If it doesn’t, BLAME BUSH!”
I’m afraid this is all my fault. Born in ’48, coddled through the ’50s, narcissistic snit in the late ’60s, family and wealth building and spending through the rest of the 20th century, and now going Galt.
It’s really as simple as that.
49. flying squirrel “… there’s no argument conservatives can articulate that is as irrefutable as what liberals actually do when they get to govern.”
Brilliant! May I borrow that.
I have to agree with JMH and his hunter-gatherer analogy. Libs, and particulary Commies, have always been subject to “magical thinking” (I believe Wretchard brought this up some months back) because their underlying principles are false.
The cognitive dissonance caused by the tension between what they have been taught and feeling in their gut that it is all just a lie makes them more than a little nuts. To resolve this they try to simply ignore the conflicting data.
The problem for them is that they keep crashing into the Wall of Reality. To explain their failures they resort to further magical thinking. Witness the oft-repeated line “The reason Communism fails is that the right people haven’t implemented it”. Empirical data (and between 100 million and 200 million corpses) shows them to be wrong but, in their view, it is only beacuse the effort was not made by a pure enough set of disciples.
They lack the intellectual and moral tools to effectively assess their situation and chart a new course. The Book of Marx dictates the holy word and they must follow it. They must remake mankind onto the pure and perfect creature that the Great Prophet Karl says is possible.
Never mind how many people must live in misery to accomplish this aim.
Never mind how many people must starve to accomplish this aim.
Never mind how many people must be brutally murdered to accomplish this aim.
Never mind, victory is just more more effort away. Keep trying until all the unbelievers are dead.
51. Martin McPhillips :
“Obama is a character out of a novel that Orwell didn’t live to write.”
Another Gem! The Muses are singing on the blog today!
Mr. X: i will politely decline the suggestion to move to the fertile lands of the Volga.
My family broke that sod for Catherine. They prospered for awhile. Then, just a century ago, the family drew straws to see who would stay and who would go before the troubles engulfed them.
My side left all the property and started over with nothing but their lives. The ones who stayed and tried to keep their land did not do as well. The last heard from them was a letter from Siberia.
I want a triple-scoop ice cream sundae, but I also want to lose ten pounds. Do I want Big Ice Cream? I guess I’m just unusually complex.
@ Wretchard 42.
Ms. Applebaum may live outside the country, but when she comes back she goes right back into the Ruling Class bubble that Dr. Codevilla so accurately describes. She is not a member of the Country Party, her observations about the expectations of “Americans” are the expectations of the Ruling Class. She might as well say that nobody she knows voted for Nixon.
Where did the jobs go? They went into the Pit of Uncertainty, the same place they went in the 1930s as ably described by Amity Shlaes in “The Forgotten Man”. One 2,000-page bill would be enough to keep me from hiring, seeing as we’ve been visited by the 2K-page fairy three times in the last eighteen months, I am surprised anyone is hiring for any reason. This same resistance to becoming a cog in the Progressive machine vexed FDR, look for increased taxes on “uninvested profits” and a NIRA-like centralization of industrial policy. The Progressives have a playbook, and it’s pretty consistent.
The easter eggs keep popping up from those bills, trade association lawyers will be poring through the legislation and informing their members of the New Order first as the legislation is passed, again as the Federal Register is published for comments, and yet again as the final federal rules are adopted. We got our first read on the rules as they may affect my specialty of radiology, and the idiocy issuing from the halls of Congress is only exceeded by the idiocy proposed from the salons of the federal bureaucracy. If they listen to our comments, the result will only be bad, rather than awful. There is a voice in the back of my head that keeps telling me to pull the eject handle and find another line of work. It’s quiet, but it keeps getting louder.
At each step, the prudent manager will be caused to pause and wonder what disasters are waiting. Sit on your cash, pay a little more overtime if necessary and jack up productivity in any way you can because the banks aren’t lending and the government political officer is due to show up any day. The fewer employees you have, the fewer the rules you can be found to be retroactively violating. The Ruling Class issues the Rules, and the rest of the country counts the cost. Right now, the cost is 17% real unemployment.
Art Laffer is predicting a tax-induced worse economy in 2011 than in 2010. There might be some bounce if the GOP gets the House, simply on the basis of anticipation of a Year Without A New Massive Entitlement. At that point, I predict the focus of the Obama administration will turn to seeing how much control they can exert from the Executive Branch, and a new round of uncertainty will continue.
Throw the bums out.
OT but important.
“Deepwater Horizon Engineer Testifies”
According to my buds that work in the oil fields, deferred maintenance is nothing new. Kinda like the deferred maintenance in my old job with Big Blue. But in my field, no body died from lack of maintenance.
Anyway, it appears that this rig had numerous and several big safety issues caused by no maintenance or as they like to call it – deferred maintenance. My Oilfield buds say that they did not defer maintenance on safety equipment because it usually meant either their jobs if found out or their lives if there was an emergency – if not fixed.
Drilling for energy trapped underground is dangerous even when everything possible is done to make it safe. So these men were working on an already ailing rig that was evidently in no condition for an emergency. In other words a timebomb just waiting.
That said, according to reports after the fact and measurements made by other parties, the gas pressures encountered – and that are still there – are multiples higher than what is normally encountered even in deep water drilling. So even if everything was up to standards, this could have still happened or some lesser version that can only be imagined.
Lets not forget that men work in this environment every day. Maybe not so dangerous by degree, but still can take your life or maim you in an instant. They are the unsung heros that work for a living bringing you fuel for your vehicles, equipment and commerce.
God Bless and keep those families who lost their men.
Papa Ray
#32 and #44:
There is also a “Cargo Cult” thing going on. They think that if you have all of the superficial trappings of productivity then you must have that which goes along with it, i.e., actual products.
If you have a Federal Department of Stuff then you must have more stuff, right? In fact, you must have a lot of Stuff if you need a Federal Department in charge of it – and vice versa is true, isn’t it?
As I learned at my first Federal Government job, if you really wanted to make sure no one could get AIDS then you would give the disease a Federal Stock Number and create a department to be in charge of distributing it.
“the whodunit has flummoxed economists in both parties for a year.”
Really? Both parties? Sez who besides this NYT blogger guy? It’s rather plain and obvious to us “small people” why the jobs “went.” And many of those jobs “went” because of a deliberate, scorched-earth policy by the current administration. For instance, when they seized (and that is the proper term) the auto companies, they deliberately closed car dealerships belonging almost exclusively to GOP donors, killing not only the dealership jobs, but thousands of jobs from interconnected firms and shops and neighborhood businesses.
The list of grievances the American people have, or should have, against this administration and Congress is way longer than those enumerated in the Declaration of Independence against King George, and the GOP isn’t even scratching the surface of publicizing those acts against the people. Ordinary folks have short memories, and they need to have those memories refreshed well before November.
A free market economy is like evolution – it’s ugly in practice but it optimizes. We’ve somehow lost the stomach for it. With success come hubris, and we now think we can optimize to an ideal, without having to have losers in the process.
We’ve become softies, in body and mind.
PR/63–you’re right. I did some semi-skilled oil field work in my youth, good pay for a college boy, and had some near misses that I can honestly say weren’t due to carelessness, just random events.
Years later I knew a crop duster who, talking about the risk in his job said, “Well, it’s not so much dangerous as it is unforgiving.”
There are a lot of jobs like that.
Oh, by the way, the NYT is the same paper that a couple of years ago asked why there were so many people in jail if crime was down. The NYT’s inability to conclude or even see the obvious is one of its hallmarks.
I design houses for people. Been doing it for decades. All too often the wifey-poo will ask for the equivalent of : “I want a triple-scoop ice cream sundae, but I also want to lose ten pounds” Women too often opt for fantasy. Oops, I mean demand it. Obvious contradictions are ignored not only in their choice of men, but in their everyday lives. Since, the wife in 90% of American family decisions is the ultimate decision maker and can be downright nasty and vindictive when not completely catered to, I must always try to make something work for them.
This hunter-gatherer way of thinking has been taught in our schools for years. Everything out there is to be consumed not produced. A good hunter gatherer wants perfection in all the stuff she gathers; ergo all our products must be perfect, with no muss or fuss. How it is produced is of no concern, besides icky men do that. But it sure better be produced in a clean touchy feely way that won’t hurt the polar bears or any other furry creatures.
That is why our hunter gather dominated government can’t quite see the production side of things and why we are in such a fix.
On a different issue, Karl Denninger today has a great post on the Depression of the very early 20′s; it was very deep, very severe. We generally don’t hear about it,( I hadn’t known it was so severe), because the Harding Administration didn’t do anything to fix it but lower taxes, and it was over in 18 months.
The much missed Dr. Sanity (see the blogroll to the left) commented and analyzed the disorder that is leftist thinking in one of her last posting before going on hiatus.
She examined the arguments and method thinking that permeates the Liberal approach to explaining the world. Her points go a long way to explaining why every entirely forseeable event takes the current occupant of the Oval Office by surprise and why the Left will never be able to recognize (much less take responsibility for) the results of their actions.
Well worth reading.
64. RWE; Nice point re: the Cargo Cult thing, just as the Cargo Cult says; “runway + building = airplanes full of goodies”, Marxist logic says; “factory + workers = production” it completely misunderstands the other variables in play (profitability, competition, location etc. etc.) and thus cannot comprehend why things aren’t working. A good example of this is “worker education” programs. Unemployed factory workers are given some sort of perfunctory “college education” to prepare them for “new high-tech” jobs. Unfortunately the atmosphere of over-regulation and uncertainty that caused the unemployment in the first place is also preventing the opening of new businesses and thus the hiring of these newly-minted “tech-workers”. To a Leftie the equation “worker + education = job” is valid (heck it worked for them, Daddy put them through an Ivy, they got a job with a Government Agency, ta-da! education = employment).
They simply cannot understand that economies are not linear structures.
They have killed and eaten the Golden Goose and do understand why she will not any longer lay eggs.
@23 A Nobody-
What I don’t get is why they felt she needed to resign, given how carefully managed the “mainstream” newsmedia reports were. What made them decide that it was just too hot for them?
If the Feds had kept Ms. Sherrod in place, I think Breitbart’s video would have been played so relentlessly that it would have penetrated even the public opinion that the MSM goes to such lengths to keep in its proper corral. And that would have destroyed the political use of ‘racism’ as a hammer against non-leftists – it would have lost all value as currency.
The blokes of the Democrat/Media alliance realized that, and jerked the strings to get her off the stage pronto. The video will fade. But perhaps Mr. Breitbart has more such evidence? We can hope…
52@Dr. Mabuse: Good find of a great Chesterton quote. I went looking for it last night but could not find it.
It nails the difference between liberals and conservatives. Substitute marriage for the fence and it still works.
I am not opposed to progress – there are many things to like about the modern world. But most of the real progress has been made by people living in the Western world under capitalism. Governments run by ‘progressives’ have given us death, debt, and destruction.
@23 A Nobody- said, “What I don’t get is why they felt she needed to resign, given how carefully managed the “mainstream” newsmedia reports were. What made them decide that it was just too hot for them?”
I’ll give you 10-1 odds that she just resigned her -position-, and that she still has a -job- somewhere else in the federal government. It is -very- difficult and time consuming to fire anyone in the federal government who is civil service, with the exception of white men, or course.
If you don’t live in this country all of the time, and I don’t, here is what you notice when you come home: Americans — with their lawsuit culture, their safety obsession and, above all, their addiction to government spending programs — demand more from their government than just about anybody else in the world.
I’m sorry, but where overseas does Applebaum frequent? What libertarian paradise does she frequently inhabit which is in such stark contrast to her description of “America?”
My vague recollection is that she spends a lot of time in Europe, correct? By inference, she has implied that Europeans don’t make such demands on their governments. I’m sorry, but I find this notion bizarre. Does she really pay attention to her surroundings anywhere?
Anton #70:
But these people are not even up to the Factory + Workers = products stage. They have, at best, what I call a “real estate agent” view of the economy: as long as people buy and sell houses then no one has to actually build any – or cut down any trees or do any of that other messy stuff that causes protests.
Indeed, the CRA would not have been nearly as disasterous if people had simply bought and sold existing houses and not built all those unneeded new ones to be sold on speculation: that part was not in the equation.
so true re ‘hunter gatherers’ –our constitution is more than a peculiar provincial document –it’s the Enlightenment Code. The forces arrayed against it are indeed from the huge past, trying to rise and subsume the front edge sliver of time and place occupied by an increasingly anomalous-looking real new world order.
yes that’s now a negatively-charged term, but everything about marxism is a perfectly opposite charge continually neutralizing the positive charge of that little current of light playing at the very front edge of a time-cloud of barbarism almost-the-whole of human existence.
Yet even the soul-exhausted will worship –except in truth the meaning of creation is in the word God, in marx the creation of meaning is in the god word.
Where there are free individuals, the slave collective will attack –saying “By your being, you create my hate”.
69. U
I design houses for people. Been doing it for decades. All too often the wifey-poo will ask for the equivalent of : “I want a triple-scoop ice cream sundae, but I also want to lose ten pounds” Women too often opt for fantasy. Oops, I mean demand it. Obvious contradictions are ignored not only in their choice of men, but in their everyday lives. Since, the wife in 90% of American family decisions is the ultimate decision maker and can be downright nasty and vindictive when not completely catered to, I must always try to make something work for them.
Hey, is this “Whiskey” trying to sneak back in? Nah, just kidding!
But seriously, your comment about women and the houses issue reminds me of that 2006 realtor commercial that Vanderleun highlighted at American Digest which was a perfect illustration/metaphor of why we had the mortgage and financial meltdown 2 years later. The wife succumbed to the blandishments of the realtor (also a woman) while the husband tried to hold out for what we would subsequently realize was sanity.
Ran across this:
“Washington’s Worst Nightmare: A Principled Man”
I did a quick search of his record in his state and have to say he looks, votes and sounds like someone we need at the Federal level. But you may think different.
Someone with more time might want to dig deeper.
There is an interview with Chuck that is very interesting at Resistnet Radio. The interview starts at 73:30. He doesn’t sound polished and appears to not be a “politician” but just a man that feels he can make a difference. I identify with that because I’m just a regular Texan that has no special talents or abilities but I am determined to make as much of a difference that I can.
Not for myself but for my grand children and their descendants.
So…if you determine for yourself that Chuck is a man you want to see make a difference, consider contributing to his cause, even if he is not polished or looks the part. But he understands personal responsibility, the need for term limits and the evils of a socialist state.
We have seen what a pretty boy – who raised a billion dollars [including millions from all over the world] to get elected. A pretender, a narcissist and a con-man with evil backers, with good reading ability and no love for this Republic – has done to us.
It is up to each of us to make all the difference we can to preserve and protect our Republic. Talking and typing help but it is going to take you getting out of your bubble and get out into the fray, into the line of fire and stand and advance.
As I am right now. Time to take the kids to my good neighbors and for me to get back in the fight.
Papa Ray
I’ve tried to explain what the federal and state tax policies have done to production to Democrats and they either don’t have the desire or the intelligence to get it.(Of course my patience for that was never good) Same thing with the Laffer Curve or the more recent Rahn curve. Try to point out historical parallels and it is the same thing. Try to warn them of what happens when the civil service bureaucracy becomes the major consumer of money and clamps down with standards on every aspect of a culture and kills its creativity (See China ancient and modern). I despair and think the only thing that will get through to them is starvation and shed blood.
75. RWE;
Agreed, as I said they cannot comprehend that the economy is not a linear model, this ties in with the “unintended consquences” mentioned earlier. They simply cannot fathom that the outcome may be different from the one promulgated by the bills they pass. They passed the CRA to let poor people with bad credit buy houses with you and I as insurers of the loans. They could not forsee the marketwide downward pressure on mortgage rates and the upward pressure to build more houses. The past holds no message for them.
As much as I hate Commies at least Marx/Lenin/Stalin were familiar with the smell of sweat and blood. They were entirely the beasts that they said they were. They would be shocked and disgusted with today’s limp-wristed, merlot-sipping Limousine-Liberals that mumble the Cliff’s Notes version of the dialectic. In fact they would place the heretics in front of the firing squads for immediate attention.
Papa Ray: By my calculations based upon private data from patch peopls the bottom hole pressures on Macedo was about 18K psi. which is over the rating on the BOP. They grossly under engineered the whole well to shave a few dollars. The difference between best practices and the way they did it is about $5-7M. That is way less than BP has spent so far.
This whole administration and leftist in general are naive like a bunch of children. I keep waiting for the adults to return.
Papa Ray #63:
Tell you a story about a man named Heyward
Rich oil exec who never went wayward
Then one day he was drilling for some oil
And up from the bottom came trouble and toil
The MisAdministration will probably be flummoxed by this news; Rassmussen Reports has conducted a poll that shows only 23% of the people feel that the Government has the consent of the People.
I didn’t think there were that many Commies in the US.
Further reading on the site indicates that Teh One is at a -17 Approval Rating, that every significant initiative he has pressed for is unpopular and Repubs lead Dems on a generic poll.
Perhaps there is hope for an important correction in November, if not there very likely will be some sort of unpleasantness. I recall one of my history teachers telling me that only 40% of the population of the Colonies were involved (for OR against) the Revolutionary War. Here we see 67% opposed to the people that supposedly represent us. It would take very little, it seems, to push this situation past a tipping point. If that occurs there will certainly be a good many characters in DC that are caught off guard. Hope indeed.
“But it’s so beautiful” is why the lefties won’t release the dream. They (irrespective of reality) love the dream, get to pose as moral superiors while making a good living. Plus they have captured the free lunch crowd. That’s why returning to small government without a catastrophe will be so difficult. Not only will leadership have to change so will the culture/dream.
P.S. I rarely agree with him but I miss Whiskey too.
Off topic and disturbing:
Most of us at Belmont Club suspected that Obama’s election as President was stage managed by liberals within the MSM. Apparently what we long suspected is now being documented, refer to:
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/
This represents a catastrophe for American democracy. In essence an organized political clique of liberal journalists had sufficient control of a Presidential election such that an unqualified person was elected President.
The Republicans, conservative media and the Internet should have prevented this from happening but they failed.
Our system of democracy has seriously malfunctioned.
Josh @ 33 said:
“Maybe that’s why Rome fell after all, because when you’re up, the only way is down. The true dharma is not hidden, it is simply swamped by the false dharma. We have had a nice golden age for the past few hundred years. Perhaps it’s over. It’s all very Hari Seldon.”
Calling it “Hari Seldon” implies some sort of rational process that is susceptible to analysis. I prefer to see it as entropy. In the early 1950s, a series of historical accidents left the United States as the world’s dominant Super Power in both economic and military power.
That was not a stable situation.
Simple entropy has slowly been dissolving our political and economic strength. Our enemies during the Cold War correctly saw entropy as a weapon and did everything they could to accelerate the process.
If our political leaders had been wiser or perhaps the Constitution better written then some sort of mechanism might have been created to dissipate entropy, i.e. the social/political equivalent of a radiator on an automobile engine or a cooling tower at a power plant. Unfortunately that mechanism was not in place and entropy was allowed to accumulate.
Perhaps(?) it is not possible to slowly dissipate entropy such that a political system is stable. Instead the logic of politics requires that all political systems eventually fail catastrophically and the entropy is disposed of suddenly with guillotines and bullets.
At the point of a gun you go to the head of the river and throw in a quart of whiskey. By the time you get back to the downstream part that you started from, you find out that the river has been dammed up stream from you, that whiskey isn’t good for people, and you are not allowed to make it or buy it anymore….unless you are a Harvard graduate
52. Dr. Mabuse: The problem is that they DO see the reason for the institution they wish to do away with: it was set there by the oppressors to exploit and hold their victims in thrall. You will notice that always the Left cries “Justice for the Victims!” I commend your attention to The Drama Triangle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle
Anton #83: The thing about polls is that they are tricky. I believe it was a Rasmussen poll that showed that 55% of the people thought their state should have a low similar to Arizona’s. This was viewed as “significant support” for Arizona’s law. But note that they did not ask “Do you think Arizona’s new law is Okay for Arizona?”; I would bet the answer to that question would be more like 75%. No doubt far more people think that Arizona should be able to have such a law than think that they want one too.
Eggplant #86: It was not entropy that led the USA to advocate free trade, protect the freedom of the seas, help our fromer enemies as well as our old allies in Europe and Asia learn how to build jet fighters, radar, rockets, and radios, and generally promote democracy. I have said for some time that the secret of understanding American foreign policy os that we want everyone to be as successful and well off as we are. By and by and large we succeeded. Civilization followed where the Roman empire marched and so it has been with us.
wretchard (#14): “It’s like being in an insane asylum where inmates calling themselves Napoleon, Alexander the Great and Moses are playing cards and ask you to join them. Do you go along and play the game…?”
Probably. Now if they were the real deal, I’d run.
Don Rodrigo (#74): “I’m sorry, but where overseas does Applebaum frequent?”
“New Europe”, which means she might have part of a point.
PS: Carthago delenda est.
RWE @ 89 said:
“It was not entropy that led the USA to advocate free trade, protect the freedom of the seas, help our former enemies as well as our old allies in Europe and Asia learn how to build jet fighters, radar, rockets, and radios, and generally promote democracy.”
In my earlier post I said:
“In the early 1950s, a series of historical accidents left the United States as the world’s dominant Super Power in both economic and military power.”
One of those historical accidents was inheriting the Anglo-Saxon ethos of honesty and fair-play from the British. Another historical accident was the brain transplant the United States received in the 1930-1970s due to the best-and-brightest of Europe fleeing Nazi, Communist and socialist oppression. It is noteworthy that the liquid fueled rocket engine was invented by the American Robert Goddard in the 1920s. However the seeds of Goddard’s genius initially fell on sterile soil, i.e. Americans were too damned stupid to see the value of rocket powered flight (same thing initially happened with airplanes). Of course, the Germans immediately saw the value of liquid fueled rockets and turned the technology into the ballistic missile. We Americans had our own technology fed back to us fully developed when we brought Werner von Braun and his colleagues to the United States after WW-II.
RWE @ 89 also said:
“I have said for some time that the secret of understanding American foreign policy os that we want everyone to be as successful and well off as we are. By and by and large we succeeded. Civilization followed where the Roman empire marched and so it has been with us.”
Unlike most European governments, the American government was capable of learning. After WW-I, the French felt compelled to keep their boot on the German’s throat thus insuring the Germans would remain fierce enemies and provide an opportunity for a demagogue like Hitler. The United States had the experience of our own civil war where we learned the downside of not forgiving former enemies. We did not repeat the brutal error of the Civil War’s reconstruction period in our dealings with the Germans and Japanese after WW-II.
42. wretchard : One is “what do you mean we bought it kemo sabe?”
Exactly. The beginning of the end of true democratic power, and I do not mean the party of course, was the progressive income tax. That created the Zero Liability Voter (hat tip to Andrew Wilkow), those who pay no taxes so have no concern over demanding more, more, more. I can see only one way out of this downward spiral and that is to put the federal government in limbo. States should ignore all government regulations and demands until we dig ourselves out of this mess. Your state has no industry? Create it. You have food but no oil refining capabilities? Barter.
The event that clicked for me was Arizona taking on the border issue out of necessity because the federal government was ineffective. Worse, derelict. Just as when the colonies could no longer count on King George for fair governance, so should the states force the federal hand. And no, I am not seeking a permanent end to the union, just a wake up call and a return to productivity.
And really, expecting the very entity that created the problem to fix it? Well if they had that ability, would they have broken it to begin with? This nation started with individual action and that is the only thing that can save it, IMHO.
I posted this to my blog today, it seems to germane today:
“Poor Honest Men”
Your jar of Virginny
Will cost you a guinea,
Which you reckon too much by five shillings or ten;
But light your churchwarden
And judge it according,
When I’ve told you the troubles of poor honest men.
From the Capes of the Delaware,
As you are well aware,
We sail which tobacco for England-but then,
Our own British cruisers,
They watch us come through, sirs,
And they press half a score of us poor honest men!
Or if by quick sailing
(Thick weather prevailing )
We leave them behind ( as we do now and then)
We are sure of a gun from
Each frigate we run from,
Which is often destruction to poor honest men!
Broadsides the Atlantic
We tumble short-handed,
With shot-holes to plug and new canvas to bend;
And off the Azores,
Dutch, Dons and Monsieurs
Are waiting to terrify poor honest men.
Napoleon’s embargo
Is laid on all cargo
Which comfort or aid to King George may intend;
And since roll, twist and leaf,
Of all comforts is chief,
They try for to steal it from poor honest men!
With no heart for fight,
We take refuge in flight,
But fire as we run, our retreat to defend;
Until our stern-chasers
Cut up her fore-braces,
And she flies off the wind from us poor honest men!
‘Twix’ the Forties and Fifties,
South-eastward the drift is,
And so, when we think we are making Land’s End
Alas, it is Ushant
With half the King’s Navy
Blockading French ports against poor honest men!
But they may not quit station
(Which is our salvation )
So swiftly we stand to the Nor’ard again;
And finding the tail of
A homeward-bound convoy,
We slip past the Scillies like poor honest men.
‘Twix’ the Lizard and Dover,
We hand our stuff over,
Though I may not inform how we do it, nor when.
But a light on each quarter,
Low down on the water,
Is well understanded by poor honest men.
Even then we have dangers,
From meddlesome strangers,
Who spy on our business and are not content
To take a smooth answer,
Except with a handspike . . .
And they say they are murdered by poor honest men!
To be drowned or be shot
Is our natural lot,
Why should we, moreover, be hanged in the end—
After all our great pains
For to dangle in chains
As though we were smugglers, not poor honest men?
Rudyard Kipling
Is there anybody in the Washington DC area who might want to attend a talk on:
Internet Activists and Authoritarian Regimes: Who’s Winning? on July 27? Panelists will be Robert Guerra, Project Director of Internet Freedom at Freedom House; Bob Boorstin, Director of Corporate and Policy Communications to Google; and Cynthia Wong, Plesser Fellow at the Center for Democracy & Technology.
Chavo #93:
Such excellent verses
Are better than curses
And help to enlighten and widen our ken:
That, as bad as our plight,
Our forefathers could fight
And overcome worse, as poor honest men.
I’m sorry, how many leaders of the failed rebellion were hanged? I forget, was it hundreds, or thousands? What’s that? One? One stinkin’ rebel got his neck stretched after half a million men died in battle? And that was the guy who ran a hell-hole of a POW camp? Surely at least Jeff Davis, West Point grad and former Secretary of War was hanged for treason. No? Not even put on trial for it? Huh…
I know some modern-day Southerners get a bit bent out of shape over Reconstruction and think a grevious insult was done their kin, but you ought to remember those folks started a rebellion and lost it. The treatment the South got was pretty damn forgiving under the circumstances. This is what America was like, has always been like.
But there’s another interesting comparision between the treatment of Germany after the two world wars and the South after the Civil War. The Confedracy and Nazi Germany both knew they had been beaten. Thoroughly, without question. Enemy troops marched at will through their territory and did what they pleased. Surrender or death were clearly the only options. The Kaiser’s Germany didn’t feel that bite. Nationalists could make the claim that “someone” sold them out. Hell, they’d beaten the Russians, took huge amounts of territory from them. How could they suddenly be forced to surrender after such a victory? Not only was it painful being conquered, there was a feeling it wasn’t fair, that it was someone else’s fault.
Johnny Reb knew he brought whatever misery he felt onto himself, and knew the consequences of trying it again. No bitter Reb solider, maybe wounded, maybe financially ruined, nursed his hatred into a Second Confederacy a generation later. Nobody even seriously thought a second Confederacy could survive. The idea was relegated to memoirs and fantasies.
Which brings me back to the looming civil (or should that be civil servant) war we face today. The past “victories” of the Right have never been followed through. We’ve never gone on a march to the sea and laid waste to the heartland of liberalism. So they keep coming back a generation or so later, convinced they got snookered that last time and with an ideological base to build from when they launch their new attack.
49. flying squirrel
Anyone looking for a handle might consider terms like “moose and squirrel” “duddly Do-Right” “Rocky and Bullwinkle” “Boris Badenov” “snidely whiplash” “fractured fairy tales”. There’s other great names buried in there.
The Many Faces Of Boris Badenov
Rocky and Bullwinkle – Minisode 01
Rumpelstiltskin-Fractured Fairy Tales
I see the most wonderful ideas here in this blog. I seldom post, but I do have a question: Is there any possibility that any one of these outstanding ideas will be acknowledged by anyone with real influence (and know-how)? Going further, is there any possibility that any one of the ideas will actually be considered for serious discussion, or implementation?
This blog is a Brains Trust. What would it take to consolidate the ideas that it produces and get people excited about them – with the possibility of implementation?
I know, I’m a dreamer…
#69 U
“On a different issue, Karl Denninger today has a great post on the Depression of the very early 20’s; it was very deep, very severe. We generally don’t hear about it,( I hadn’t known it was so severe), because the Harding Administration didn’t do anything to fix it but lower taxes, and it was over in 18 months.”
F Scott Fitzgerald writes about it in “The Great Gatsby”, when Nick Carraway is talking to Meyer Wolfsheim, who fed a starving WW-I veteran James Gatz/Jay Gatsby and put the young man on the path to financial success, although by implication and insinuation, by “shady” means. So yes, the severe recession you speak of forms part of the back story of the narrative in that novel.
JMH, #96: Which brings me back to the looming civil (or should that be civil servant) war we face today. The past “victories” of the Right have never been followed through. We’ve never gone on a march to the sea and laid waste to the heartland of liberalism. So they keep coming back a generation or so later, convinced they got snookered that last time and with an ideological base to build from when they launch their new attack.
The reason the Right never destroyed the Left’s heartland is because the Left doesn’t have a heartland to be destroyed. All it has are a set of flawed and destructive, yet very deep-seated and viscerally appealing ideas – hence the Left’s frequent characterization as a secular religion. And ideas, unlike people, are next to impossible to kill.
re: Keynes, the undead (where’s the silver spike?)
The reference to quack nostrums missed one that really fits.. “let’s bleed this patient” (“maybe he’ll mistake the lightheadedness for feeling better”) . IIRC, the largest cause of accidental death (by a factor of 5x) in the U.S. isn’t automobiles, but medical good intentions gone bad.. doctors are not gods and there are lots of mysteries in human affliction apart from well-known conditions with proven Rx. Enough so that when you have something that doesn’t fit a diagnosis well, it’s better to just wait and watch, rather than “do something” – but sadly we’re conditioned to do, and are too trusting.
We must find a (simple) fix that resets the clock to something sane for another 200 years. Don’t mend it, end it. Devolving (domestic) power, authority and responsibility away from the central government to local municipalities is not only possible, it may be the only solution that can end this madness.
Applebaum presumes the people want to be safe (v. safer in a less regulated future). What discount-rate exists in the world she lives in? Must be negative. No one seems to calculate the lost opportunities, lost wealth of not encouraging everyone to run as fast as they can, taking what appear to be sensible risks for a greater reward (w/ occasional disaster and Darwinian selection). We have no history of regulation or precaution driving innovation and a better future (compared to regulation slowing or preventing innovation). We do have a history of surprise being best met with individuals maximally enabled (wealthy, able in mind, spirit, and body, including an ability to defend themselves) especially when compared to those individuals, groups, and countries less free, less wealthy, less motivated, less responsible-for-self. So I drive the green-ies nuts because I tell them that they are actually making an argument for removing regulation so we can advance faster to be more prepared for their – as well as the 100 catastrophes we’re not thinking about of which one is much more likely to happen. Consider that (if you accept the Mitochondrial Eve thesis) that something killed all humans but those in a few tribes in Africa a couple of hundred thousand years ago. And that Yellowstone could cook off any day.
Sadly I think medical innovations, advances in health, etc. are about to fall by at least a factor of 10, if not 100.
Consider how high we place the bar for drug experimentation and production, imagine where the climate debate would be if the CRU had to be 1/10th as disciplined (double blind models & stats). Granted, FDA regulation already has stifled medical innovation by a couple of powers of two since no start-up can clear the bar (no Google possible to change the rules in Pharma), meaning start-ups must be acquired so there’s little chance of big pharma companies being plowed under because they’ve become too much like a government – they are already hand-in-glove with their regulators to “manage” competition.
I hear Article V calling. First step is an effort in every state effort to seat representatives committed to the proposition their house and executive are more important, effective, able and representative of their people than the federal government in all things domestic. Then the Country can take itself back. And (local) actions will have consequences (locally) again. The Blue states can do all those progressive things unhindered that they know will result in heaven-on-earth and the Red States will observe and learn from their betters. And the Red states can hold the line (if not reverse) cultural innovations and cause everyone to sublimate those energies into dog-eat-dog free-market competition. And the people and their enterprise will not only vote at the ballot box but with their feet (and wallet). What could be more democratic?
Everybody wins, save those in love with the raw power of coercion across the largest number of souls. And the parasitic regime class of apparatchiks and their institutions.
Well.. I do dream.
Chas, thanks. My handle is an homage to Rocket J, my first tutor in Irony. Where’s Gidney and Floyd when you need ‘em? “you can scrooch ‘em now Floyd.”
Anton 58 Go for it
100. Joshua : I’m not so sure I agree; I would call the entrenchment in education part of their territory. What about unions? Especially government employee unions. The media is being exposed but needs to be taught the lessons of defeat much more soundly. I think that is a few examples of what JMH means.
“If all we want are jobs, we can create any number — for example, have people dig holes and then fill them up again, or perform other useless tasks. Work is sometimes its own reward. Mostly, however, it is the price we pay to get the things we want. Our real objective is not just jobs but productive jobs — jobs that will mean more goods and services to consume.” –Milton Friedman
Where have all the wise economists gone … (long time passing). PrezZero is obviously violating the First Law of Holes.
Of course they have a heartland. Organized Labor, the Civil Service Bureacracy, the Law Industry, Public Education, NGOs, Hollywood, the Ivory Tower of Academia, swaths of the judiciary…
All these are institutions they use to gather funds and spread their ideology. There are other institiutions too, though the ones I listed are the most damaging. When they’re defeated, they can retreat to their tenured positions and Foundation jobs to plot their next assaut.
Those need to be dismantled. Instead of Card Check, we should disband the NLRB and remove special legal protections for private sector unions (employers aren’t forced to negotiate with a union if they don’t want to, all dues are strictly voluntary, etc), and public sector unions should be absolutely outlawed (or rather, public employee strikes should be outlawed and government agencies should be barred from participating in collective bargaining). Tenure should be revoked (retroactively) in publicly funded universities and governing charters for those schools reworked to put control in the hands of voters. Tort reform – including loser pays statues for contingency cases – should be used to aggressively drain the money out of the legal profession. Judges should be wholesale impeached and lifetime tenure ended. Public education should be phased out in favor of a voucher system…
All radical, disruptive and impossible, eh? Also quite necessary if in another 30 years we don’t want to be complaining that the new Progessive just elected President makes Barack Obama look positively Randian by comparison.
#74, Don Rodrigo: I believe Ms. Applebaum is married to Radek Sikorsky, a Pole. So my guess is Poland – in which case she has a point. But even so, she ought to be aware of the situation in Western Europe.
Heritage had a piece 3 weeks or so ago that showed that the problem with jobs has NOT been losing more jobs than in past recessions—this recession has actually seen smaller job losses than the 2000-2002 one.
The problem has been new jobs are NOT being created at the normal rate, so the net is lower. MUCH lower.
Well, this is the first time we’ve had a government that seems sworn to do everything possible to discourage anyone in the private sector from hiring—new or threatened tax increases, more favorable treatment for unions, ObamaCare, environmental and OSHA rules and threats, etc.
This shouldn’t be so hard to figure out even for the people in DC. It ain’t rocket surgery.
keelie @ 98: “Is there any possibility that any one of these outstanding ideas will be acknowledged by anyone with real influence (and know-how)?”
That question implies a world where there is a Political Class living on a different plane from mere taxpayers. But what about a world in which that Political Class has demonstrably failed, has lost the Mandate of Heaven, has no legitimacy in the eyes of the overwhelming majority?
The latter is the world we are rapidly approaching, the world after Peak Government; the world when no-one will lend money to the Political Class, or take the Political Class’s rapidly-inflating currencies; the world in which the Political Class will be unable to fulfill the many promises they have made to their hangers-on, be they wealthy windfarm Subsidy Sluts or indigent single mothers on never-ending welfare.
In that new world which is even now abirthing, “real influence” will lie with a completely different group of people. Our challenge is to make sure those new people have the opportunity to learn from history and make sure that no Political Class emerges ever again. Those people with future “real influence” are the ones we want to reach — and maybe even now are reaching.
Joshua, Speakeasy speaks the truth.
“The reason the Right never destroyed the Left’s heartland is because the Left doesn’t have a heartland to be destroyed. All it has are a set of flawed and destructive, yet very deep-seated and viscerally appealing ideas – hence the Left’s frequent characterization as a secular religion. And ideas, unlike people, are next to impossible to kill.”
“Joshua : I’m not so sure I agree; I would call the entrenchment in education part of their territory. What about unions?”
Well, we had better try. The first place to attack and rout them is in our American Educational System. Starting with doing away with the Federal Education Dept and then working our way through every school board and making every one connected to education sign a statement of loyalty to not only our Constitution but to the re-written State laws that will take over from the federal education dept that should never have been established.
It should become a condition of employment that teachers teach children that America is the greatest nation on earth. And teach them American history from K1 through College. And not the history they teach now that makes America into something terrible. Just teach the facts and let the kids decide for themselves what and who America is.
Yes, Teachers Unions and other unions should be outlawed along with other special interest groups and organizations that work against America and her interests.
If they fail to abide by the new rules and sink back into progressive teaching, they have to know that they will be fired and charged with breaking their oath. If they don’t want to do this then they must be fired and prevented from teaching in any American public school or University.
I’m sure I’m coming across as a stupid hard ass and unrealistic to many, but until we take back the education of our children, most else we want will fail and we will not be able to restore our Republic. We can’t just continue to let new young progressives replace the ones who die or retire.
Also, we must prevent the off shore cancer of progressive thinking from infecting our system again.
We can’t continue kicking the can to the next generation.
Many have written pages upon pages about what is wrong with our educational system and has been wrong for generations, but not enough Americans understand that our education system is the Progressives lair and homeland or at the very least their redoubt and that it must be denied them.
The main reason this can not be considered, is that it would in many’s eyes, would violate the Constitution. But I say – a way to accomplish this must be found and found and found quickly.
We can not continue to allow a safe place for them to stifle, molest and brainwash our children to their progressive thinking and ways.
To bed, I’m exhausted.
Papa Ray
94. wretchard
Sure I’m local. Do you have an address & time.
That said I’d be surprised if they didn’t conclude that
the authoritarians are winning currently in Iran and China. That there are hopeful signs there however. And the audience will be treated to examples. However, they’ll step more gingerly on the question as it relates to the USA, EU and Russia. The problem will be what the meaning of Internet Activists is. Google is a prime example here. They were on the losing side in China but on the winning side in the USA in the last election.
In other parts of the world, likely they’ll be very upbeat about the influence on Internet Activists.
Anyhow that’s about the template I’ll go in with. So I’ll measure what I see/hear against that template.
wretchard & hd greene:
You guys need to see/hear this YouTube ‘video’.
Conservatism, An Obituary
“what do you mean we bought it kemo sabe?” – Why, yes, you sure did. The choices supplied for the last several election cycles are not choices at all. Really, the GoP or the Dims are really just branches of the same tree, the only choice is the speed of the growth of the State or the depth and scale of the Looting, that is all.
It seems to me the denizens of this place spend their time picking fly sh-t out of pepper. You have one last chance you think and say this November. What is I told you that if you buy that skillful lie then you are just condoning your own hanging? The die is already cast and Freedom lost. The Statists won and are just dividing the spoils. Your ‘vote’ will only decide which bunch of zopilotes get to pick the carcass.
Yup, choose wisely.
“Buy more ammo”
I just don’t think we can ever clean the Augean stables of the Left. The manure is too deep and too wide spread. The only way it can happen is if somehow a committed Conservative achieves more or less dictatorial status, and can simply command that things be so.
It would have to be someone of deep and abiding honor, who would muck the shite out, likely imprison or execute tens of thousands of traitors, throw millions of invaders out of the country, demolish much of the Federal government while greatly expanding the military, devolve power back to the states, and then step down to return power to the elected representatives of the people. Basically, Revolution 2.0. Yet who can this possibly be? Sarah Palin? As if. (Not to smear that fine lady, but she is no savior.)
It simply isn’t going to happen. The Left has the power, the money and the influence. Probably two out of three Tea Party folks who manage to get elected will be co-opted in short order. The rest will flail helplessly at the Beast.
In the event of a systemic collapse, what then? A Chinese invasion? What on earth would they do with us? What will they use us for, cheap Mexican labor? They can’t employ enough of their own. Then again, they might want the prize simply because they want the prize. And they could ship a whole lot of single men over and… well, that way madness lies. I don’t know the end game here, but I can’t figure out a way to anything other than disaster.
Our future is Moscow, circa 1970. Grim, grey, grinding existence, where no one dare utter a word against the State. Your only solace will be the love of a man or woman, and the love of your children (assuming you are allowed to have any).
112. peterike : While things are askew I do not think it is end game. Thanks to the wisdom and vision of our founders, we hold aces in the hole- namely the right to own and bear arms. Not that the left has not been ceaselessly trying to confiscate them but the recent SC decision has cemented that right too recently for a coup. If they try for a complete takeover before disarming the populace it will be a very bad experience and they know it all too well. So they have been and will continue to use Cloward-Piven strategies to force a collapse. The collapse will beget violence and the violence will provide an opportunity, or excuse actually, for disarmament. Even in this scenario, I really do not think the majority of Americans will hand over their weapons, and subsequently their freedom that easily- I certainly will not. The purges that result will not be what they were hoping for- hard to control a forest fire once it gets going. I hope we can pull out of this dive before terminal impact but I am prepared for the worst.
71, 73
Consider yourself lucky as an American. In Canada, the mass media would have continued to deny and ignore no matter what, and it would have stuck. One day, your mass media may try the same trick, in concert with your left-wing government (of course, they never try this with a right-wing one). I think part of the issue is that they have convinced themselves that the Internet news sites are more far reaching and strong than they perhaps really are. The trick of denial and obfuscation is still pretty effective. Of course, for them to believe that the Internet sites aren’t as effective would require them to believe that places like Moveon and daily kos have a similar lack of effect.
Peter (#111):
If the people on “our side” think that their civic involvement can be limited to voting every two years, then the future is indeed problematic. I’ve already stated elsewhere my opinion of those who, due to laziness or fatalism, are unwilling to become civically active but who seem to almost look forward to using the Second Amendment reset button.
Too many here have fallen for the fatalist idea that we can’t beat back the Left and return America to greatest.
There is always a solution to every problem.
If this a war with the Left, ( a Cold War so far), what is their center of gravity? Find it. Snuff it out.
JMH ‘s list is a good start. Organized Labor, the Civil Service Bureacracy, the Law Industry, Public Education, NGOs, Hollywood, the Ivory Tower of Academia, swaths of the judiciary…
I would guess the Left’s center of gravity has something to do with how most of those institutions controlled by the Left depend mightily on heavy taxpayer funding and/or government preferences. Only Hollywood on that list doesn’t depend on those things.
Restrict the Left’s taxpayer funding and end their government preferences and watch how the Left’s base shrivels, along with their power. Start there. Then move on to cutting back regulation and taxes and restoring our freedoms.
There’s always tomorrow.
JMH #96: Three people were opposed to Reconstruction. They had a plan to
avoid Reconstruction in its entirety. Their names? Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Simpson Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman. Their plan would have worked had it not been for John Wilkes Booth.
The Reconstruction Act of 1867 was blatantly unconstitutional. It lasted only because there were no civilian federal courts in the former confederacy in which to
challenge its provisions. The absence of courts was deliberate.
Henry Wirz, commandant of Andersonville should not have been hanged. He was a bungler, not a beast. The one who should have been hanged was the God-damnewd Yankee Son-of-a-Bitch who ran Camp Douglas outside Chicago. He deliberately, wilfully and with malice aforethought starved prisoners to death as well as torturing them to death.
There would have been mass retaliation against Confederates had not Lincoln, Grant and Sherman (as agreeed upon) arranged the terms of their surrender so as to preclude all that. Their efforts were reinforced by Samuel P. Chase, (recently appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court) who ordered Jefferson Davis released from custody, pointing out that there was no law under which he could be prosecuted.
And if you will read Angelo Codavilla with your eyes open you will find that reconstruction was a conspiracy, well advanced in the 1850s before the outbreak of hostilities. Those Americans behind such a plot, along with certain Europeans,
were the brains and financing of the agents provacateur known as Knights of the Golden Circle. In turn it was the KGC that used both bribery and fear to stampede southerners into a rash attempt at secession. It was Southron shortcomings that were exploited to be sure, but the deliberate evil agitation did NOT originate in Dixie.
Reconstruction was a lawless kleptocracy that should have been avoided and whose excesses were stopped short of being a reign of terror only by the efforts of those
who would have avoided it if they could have. That and a little Divine Intervention as well, I would imagine.
The fact that the error was not repeated in 1945 and thereafter can most certainly
be traced to lessons learned almost a century earlier. And even then, we rather narrowly avoided a replay in the form of that ungodly Morgenthau Plan.
And if you want to know why old Johnny Rebs never became “Werewolves” like those who pestered Germany for some years, look up how Uncle Billy assisted Richard Coke
(Brigidaier General CSA) in getting elected Governor of Texas, nullifying reconstruction in that state and re-assembling Texas Rangers. Then check out the make up of McKenzies Fourth Cavalry in that decisive Southern Column of 1874.
HURRAH FOR THE BONNIE BLUE FLAG THAT BEARS A SINGLE STAR!
Comment #118 sure sounds familiar for some reason…
#108 Kinuachdrach
“In that new world which is even now abirthing, “real influence” will lie with a completely different group of people. Our challenge is to make sure those new people have the opportunity to learn from history and make sure that no Political Class emerges ever again. Those people with future “real influence” are the ones we want to reach — and maybe even now are reaching.”
Like I said: Good thinking. I believe we are reaching them, and the reason we don’t hear from them (although some of the BC posters sure sound like them) is that they are somewhat quiet, contemplative people… Not the loudmouths to which we are unfortunately all too accustomed.
I’m nobody who are you are you nobody too then there is a pair of us don’t tell they’d banish us you know…..
I have always liked this poem by Anon…
In answer to your reflection, maybe pandora’s box would be open if all of Sherrod’s speeches were made public and the naacp would not want this to happen since their comments about racism and the tea party members…
I have always liked this poem by Anon…
Anon?? It’s by Emily Dickinson, second greatest of American poets (after Whitman, natch).
I’n nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there ’s a pair of us—don’t tell!
They ’d banish us, you know.
How dreary to be somebody!
How public, like a frog
To tell your name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!
I used to greatly fear that the corruption and rot in our system had grown to the level that it would lead to a general collapse of all we take for granted.
At least I no longer fear that outcome – I eagerly anticipate it. ‘Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
Bingo, bingo, bingo.
And that is why I am optimistic about our ability to roll this back. The idiot leftists have spent the country (the industrialized world, really) into insolvency. The Tea Party is not about people who want a better deal from Government, or who want this or that pet program. It’s people who want radical reductions in government spending. And the public pension bubble is only going to harden their hearts. Look at what happened in Bell, CA Monday night. A mostly Hispanic town (supposedly the future demographic destiny of the Dems, right?) turned out to protest obscene salaries for their public *cough cough* servants.
Or look at tenure. It’s already falling and the NYT of all places is pondering the possibility it could dissapear.
The only thing really standing in our way is the cadre of vichywasser pols still trying to run the GOP as an employment agency for themselves. They keep thinking they can either tap into the Left’s public trough, or else build their own parallel one. If we can solve that problem, our own problem, how we care and feed true small-government politicians, the rest of the dominoes will fall.
Dude, let me ask you a question. Where is your allegiance? What do you care most about? The future of individual liberty and freedom, of the ideals the United States was founded on? Or the memory of your bonnie blue flag and the Confederacy?
Because if what you care about is a future for your kids free of the tyranny and theivery of folks like Michelle Obama, Harry Reid, Barney Frank and Freezer Cash Jefferson, then you need to drop the Johnny Reb schtick. It’s damaging to the cause. Seriously. Conspiracy theory Ranting about Reconstruction puts people in mind of the Klan.
OT, perhaps, but the Shirley Sherrod case has gotten more complex:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_usda_racism_resignation
JMH : I agree wholeheartedly. Regarding the GOP, I don’t think there is enough conservative intestinal fortitude left to save it in its current form. Many here and elsewhere on the interweb are fearful that a new, actually conservative party would spell disaster and aid the Democrats. I understand their fear but do not see any advantage, in the long run, to allowing the GOP to continue acting as DNC-lite. Timing could be the key and dovetail nicely with the tea party movement. The rallying point should be the US Constitution. Even many self-described Democrats think highly of our constitution and I simply can not believe the majority of Americans really want Socialism. Its all about getting out the message and a person to rally behind. I think Gen Petraeus could be that person but he is a little busy right now. Will he be available in 2 years? Is there someone just as/better qualified? I don’t know but I am sure it IS NOT Newt Gingrich.
108. Kinuachdrach
In that new world which is even now abirthing, “real influence” will lie with a completely different group of people. Our challenge is to make sure those new people have the opportunity to learn from history and make sure that no Political Class emerges ever again.
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You need to be careful about communist idealism. The Soviet Union showed that it just murders people in bulk. There will always be political classes just as there are sports elites and business classes, the antique in crowd, Apple Computer, the astronauts.
The real deal is permeability and competition. How do you create a system by which the best people and or best ideas rise to the top and win. And then the solutions get implemented.And the worst people with the worst ideas to lose. You don’t want dead political leaders created by a sclerotic political system anymore than you want lousy teachers kept in place by tenure. Everyone wants a real boxing match. They don’t want the game to be fixed. Same goes for politics and business.
byo example there’s an interesting story out that the BP oil leak problem was solved by a plumber from Kansas.
byo example there’s an interesting story out that the BP oil leak problem was solved by a plumber from Kansas.
Conspiracy theory Ranting about Reconstruction puts people in mind of the Klan.
First, there was no conspiracy theory ranting in his post, unless you consider the non-leftist version of American history to be conspiracy-mongering. Secondly, according to the left crowds of white people gathering to protest government spending – the Tea Party movement – already puts people in mind of the Klan.
the ideals the United States was founded on
Those ideals reflected the evolved history and the interests of a particular people – virtually all British settlers. (The US is a very different country today. If the US was as honest as France this would be about the Fifth Republic by now).
A great example of how the ideals of America’s founding are interpreted differently by different demographics came from Confederate General Richard Taylor. He was the son of a President and the grandson of a Revolutionary War officer. After his surrender in 1865 he was lectured by a German immigrant officer of the Union on America’s true ideals and then told Southerners would be forced to learn these true ideals. The grandchildren of many of America’s Founding Fathers who fought for the CSA got that same lecture. Well, today’s feds and the demographics that support them feel like they are going to have to do the same thing with Tea Partiers.
128. Charles:How do you create a system by which the best people and or best ideas rise to the top and win.
We already had it, capitalism. The problem began when the elites decided to start monkeying around with the system in pursuit of an ideal, total equality of outcome, that simply does not exist naturally. The best anyone can hope for is equality of opportunity and consistently enforced laws. You just can not legislate equality of ability otherwise we would all be Lebron Jameses.
The political class has you all duped into believing that this is not the 29th day @ sunset. The political class has you believing that “Hope & Change” is not the “Rope & Chains” they forged for you and you have willingly slipped into thinking it was a comfortable overcoat.
129. Charles
byo example there’s an interesting story out that the BP oil leak problem was solved by a plumber from Kansas.
He would make a better “Czar” than any of the political operatives currently holding those positions and proof that the founders had a better model for government than what we have today. Regular men and women that actually have some sort of ability outside of politics and some common sense.
I don’t think conservatives can vanquish the left with the tools of the left. For the left turns everything into politics — all politics all the time. How do you compete with that? A leftist goes to the park on a sunny day and espies a blade of grass and thinks, “Bloodsucking capitalists have made this grow with petro-chemical fertilizers; must protest.” He sees a bird and thinks, “Bird is being harmed by the cement (or cardboard box or pipe fitting) factory; must close them down.” Conservatives on the other hand live with large chunks of un-politicized life; they tinker with the boat, the rod the gun the hobby the books and just generally don’t give a d–n about politics. You see this organizational clumsiness in the tea-party movement. (Especially in Seattle; everyone just showed up and milled around. Vanderleun did a post on it with deserved scolding commentary a short while back.) Maybe the *Belmont Club itself is, in part, addressing this asymmetry.
*Cheers Wretchard; the last few posts (and comments) have been blazing…
132. Peter :The political class has you all duped into believing that this is not the 29th day @ sunset. The political class has you believing that “Hope & Change” is not the “Rope & Chains” they forged for you and you have willingly slipped into thinking it was a comfortable overcoat.
In the words of our host “what do you mean we bought it kemo sabe?”
I don’t consider myself a “you all” and doubt many here do either.
Wirz, the Bavarian, had his ‘Nuremberg’…
A massive official tome was compiled WRT Andersonville.
After reading it Andersonville looks like a prequel to Dachau.
Wirz’s rationalizations were duplicated at Nuremberg.
It’s impossible to defend Andersonville.
BTW if you set Andersonville survivor photos along side Dachau’s you have to read the sub-titles to tell which is which.
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The reason reconstruction followed such a different path in Texas is entirely due to the fact that though she was a southern slave state — she had very few slaves — and no plantations. Cotton was not king in Texas, nor tobacco, nor peanuts, nor sugar cane.
Everything was different in Texas starting with a low population and extremely low population density.
Texas didn’t appear to need reconstruction — she needed construction in the first place.
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As for soldiers carrying on the lost cause: the more you dig the more you find them. It passed as common knowledge back then that the hills were loaded with the KKK or like minded fellows running a parallel administration of ‘justice’ for uppity ex-slaves. Platoon and company sized actions occurred for years after the war against such southerners. The hills of Arkansas were particularly active in this way.
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As for grand conspiracies…
The first amendment has unleashed a nation of dreamers and bitchers. Truly grand conspiracies just out themselves because Americans just can’t shut-up. This is particularly true when such a minor disagreement as human slavery comes up.
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Anyhow, what brought reconstruction to an end was the end of money/ credit expansion. It’s not for nothing that 1873 was a watershed financial year. This transformed Northern politics and wound down the effort. By 1877 the entire effort was terminated.
Like anything emotional, political and centrally financed reconstruction was unlamented in its passing. Abolitionist hopes that they could use Federal power to uplift Southern morality towards their own ideals were in vain.
It took RMN and a hundred years for Affirmative Action — a dreamers scheme to end racial differences.
But with the Emperor and Queen we still see blacks as a political culture apart.
How else to explain the Congressional Black Caucus — which is totally Marxist-redistributionist — and forever anchors the left-most wing of the Democrat Party!
This is the same party of the KKK and the plantation south! Copperheads.
The Republican Party — founded entirely upon abolitionism — is shunned to this day presumably for oppressing ex-slave political aspirations!
Yet this is the party of Affirmative Action!
In Uncle Tom’s Cabin the title character was depicted as a suffering saint — absolutely in the image of Jesus Christ. In today’s Black Politics an ‘Uncle Tom’ is a villain against his kin and race! How backwards can one get?
This is Stockholm Syndrome writ nationally!
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This is compounded by all Black Congressional politicians adopting Central’s talking points and schemes. Yet no one could possibly be a more anti-black racist than a Commie in Moscow!
So what you’re left with is a clown patrol of fools and tools: even now they step to the master’s tune. Talk about step and pitch it.
Any time you hear a Black politician demanding massive defense cuts so that more funding is available for redistribution — you know where the meme came from: Central.
The fact that the DoD is the best route upwards for minorities and that the bulk of DoD spending is on PAYROLL is disregarded.
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If we can’t race-norm the NBA what hope can we have that America will ever be the land of equal outcomes?
Just reading about the Opium Wars tween Britain & China in the mid 19th Century. Whew. Reminded me that there’s been a whole lot of stuff done on all sides that makes our better angels look pretty tawdry. But you can mine history for a lot of object lessons (“lesions?”) — in the case of China, the inward-gazing decadent society, for all its grand history and culture, was particularly vulnerable to predation by upstarts. Evidently at some point the rulers in the Celestial Courts decreed no trade with the outside world, because they are evil, so the population was ordered to EVACUATE the COASTAL AREAS!!!
Of course, without strictly enforcing the evacuation, the only folks remaining in the coastal regions were SCOFFLAWS who didn’t scruple to traffic in Opium with the foreign devils.
My uncle was a Philadelphia Irishman, who’d served as a pharmacist’s mate in the Navy starting about WWI. His medico expertise (Mighta been a corpsman, in time) resulted in his being attached to a Marine Contingent. In the late 1920′s he marched with the Marines that crossed Nicaragua pestering the forces of General Sandino. (There’s another biography that shows a lot of internationale links…)
After pissing off everyone in Nicaragua, my uncle was billeted to a ship harbored in Shanghai. He told me that many mornings, the soldiers of Chiang Kai-sheck would march a bunch of opium addicts to the river’s edge, and chop their heads off.
Don’t tell Donald Berwick…
MF…
Check out the Delano family connection…
As in Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Delanos – French immigrants to Duxbury, Massachusetts.
Mad Fiddler @ 137:
“… my uncle was billeted to a ship harbored in Shanghai. He told me that many mornings, the soldiers of Chiang Kai-sheck would march a bunch of opium addicts to the river’s edge, and chop their heads off.”
My grandpa (a USMC corporal) was a China Marine stationed in Shanghai during the early 1930s. He might well have known Mad Fiddler’s uncle. Grandpa married my grandma in Shanghai (she grew up there after fleeing Russia) and adopted her son who was my father. My grandparents had lots of stories about Shanghai (a very gritty and exotic place where life tended to be short but “interesting”). My father has often said that had he not been adopted he would have ended up as a white bum in China. I sometimes wonder what happened to the people of European descent who were trapped in China after the communists took over (probably ended up like those opium addicts).
Wretchard,
Your blog post reminded me of the comment years ago by Christian philosopher Francis Schaeffer who said “the problem I have with all these recent seminary graduates is not that they don’t have all the answers but that they don’t even know what the questions are.” The casual confidence of the greenies and the Obamatrons that they are more competent and more virtuous reminds me of nothing so much as the old Mickey Mouse cartoon “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” in which Mickey dabbled in things about which he had no understanding.
The calm, casual, confident (not to say “cool”) demeanor projected by the current majority party and its leaders was probably not bluff but ignorance.
The problem with complex distributed systems, as you point out, is that the visible phenomena they exhibit are very often hard to understand. I once gave a lecture to the Amazon.com engineering organization called “Superstitious Architectures: How to avoid them”. The point of the lecture was that for any system that is large and complex, human nature strongly tempts us to form superstitious views of the underlying cause of visible pathologies. And we’re strongly tempted to react based on our superstition because that is often easier than undertaking the painstaking work of diagnosing the root causes. But the results of such superstitious approaches “fixing” things are almost always “unexpected”.
There may be no more complex distributed systems than economies or eco-systems but we seem to be led (ruled?) by people who have no idea what the questions are, blithely assuming their very limited understanding is comprehensive.
What we seem to have during our time is an alarming lack of the humility that embraces the learnings of the past and recognizes the urgent need for learning going forward.
We have a President and Congress who are flailing in their superstitions, lashing out at ghosts and goblins and being astonished by the unexpected.
Don Rodrigo #126:
Everyone seems to be missing the point of the Shirley Sherrod case and doubly missing it to boot. What was being shown was that the NAACP audience laughed and applauded when the woman said she had (at first) refused to help the white farmer. The point was that the oh-so-sacrosanct NAACP who could blithely accuse the Tea Parties of racism actually cheered on racism of a certain sort. The fact that the woman later recounted her own initial viewpoint was in fact also made available on that same website. And both the NAACP and the White House could have viewed the video in the proper context if they wished to do so; I guess they were too busy not reading 2000 page bills.
But the other point is that the USDA employee said that she came to realize that “it was not black versus white but the haves versus the have-nots.” Excuse me, but whathell is a govt official doing anyway, saying she views ANYTHING as “Them versus Them” other than a conflict with another country or criminal behavior? Her “admission” of her “recognition of the real problem” is just as damming as her racist statement. She should stay fired.
NAACP is saying they were “snookered” by FOX news and Breitbart. In reality Breitbart provided the “whole story” in the proper context on his website and Fox News did not cover the story until AFTER the USDA employee was forced to resign.
“Franklin D. Roosevelt’s fortune was inherited from his maternal grandfather Warren Delano. In 1830 he was a senior partner of Russell & Company. It was their merchant fleet which carried Sassoon’s opium to China and returned with tea. Warren Delano moved to Newburgh, NY. In 1851 his daughter Sara Married a well born neighbor, James Roosevelt – the father of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
John Kerry’s maternal grandfather, James Grant Forbes, was born in Shanghai, China, where the Forbes family of China and Boston accumulated a fortune in the opium and China trade. Forbes married Margaret Tyndal Winthrop, who came from a family with deep roots in New England history. Through her, John Kerry is related to four Presidents, including, ironically, George W. Bush (9th cousin, twice removed).”
GlobalSecurity.org
THAT Delano.
@anton 70.
They have killed and eaten the Golden Goose and do understand why she will not any longer lay eggs.
They also seem to be similarly confused by the fact that having consumed the magic beast, they do not not defecate in a similar fashion. And considering the volume of excrement they are passing, they seem to be hoping the effect will take place any day now. I mean, they sure appear proud of the crap they produce and expect us to be satisfied with what they assure us are flecks of genuine gold in the sandwiches the productive portion of society are given to eat.
Please don’t equate the Confederacy with the Tea Party movement. Really, Ezra Klein couldn’t hope for better from a JournoList member posing as a troll. If you don’t understand why that’s bad, I’m not sure what there is left to say.
Criminal Activity, RWE, that’s the ticket!
Saint Sherrod, cont.
Forty Acres & a Mule — Sherrod Style?
Shirley Sherrod’s quick dismissal from the Obama administration may have had less to do with her comments on race before the NAACP than her long involvement in the aptly named Pigford case, a class action against the US government on behalf of black farmers alleging that the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) had discriminated against black farmers during the period from 1983 through 1997.
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So where does Sherrod come into this picture? In a special to the Washington Examiner, Tom Blumer explains that Sherrod and the group she formed along with family members and others, New Communities. Inc. received the largest single settlement under Pigford.
… New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).
What makes this even more interesting to me is that Charles appears to be Charles Sherrod, who was a big player in the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the early 1960s. The SNCC was the political womb that nurtured the Black Power movement and the Black Panthers before it faded away.
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Medved informs that Sherrod’s dad was murdered by the Klan, so this story has it’s share of outrages.
Ms. Sherrod’s previous background, the circumstances surrounding her hiring, and the USDA’s agenda may all play a part in explaining her sudden departure from the agency. These matters have not received much scrutiny to this point.
An announcement of Ms. Sherrod’s July 2009 appointment to her USDA position at ruraldevelopment.org gives off quite a few clues:
RDLN Graduate and Board Vice Chair Shirley Sherrod was appointed Georgia Director for Rural Development by Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack on July 25. Only days earlier, she learned that New Communities, a group she founded with her husband and other families (see below) has won a thirteen million dollar settlement in the minority farmers law suit Pigford vs Vilsack.
What?
The news that follows at the link, which appears to pre-date the announcement of Ms. Sherrod’s appointment, provides further details:
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Shirley-Sherrods-Disappearing-Act-Not-So-Fast-98846149.html#ixzz0uLyaT2Eb
My theory–WH did not fire Sherrod because she was hesitant to help a whitey, but because she did later help him. It runs contrary to everything the WH stands for.
Sherrod made the proper leftist screed noises by invoking the haves/have-nots, but that did not compensate for the transgression of counter-affirmation. I mean, that should have been a given, no?
Well, some WH people later thought that the haves/have-nots was a sufficient compensatory clause and that the dismissal was too rush. With some additional proper re-education, she may become a member of society in good standing.
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Ah, I see the thick plottens! (Doug/147)
2×4@148: My theory–WH did not fire Sherrod because she was hesitant to help a whitey, but because she did later help him. It runs contrary to everything the WH stands for.
Other possibilities:
* She spoke honestly
* She didn’t hold her chin high enough
* She got caught
* She wasn’t seen bowing to anyone
* She forgot to blame it on Bush
Dunno, if a member of armed wing of Democrat party (KKK) killed my father, would I ever want to have anything with them?
Some sort of the Stockholm syndrome, I reckon.
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Josh/149. I go with the “blame Bush” oversight. That she did not is inexcusable.
Charles @ 128: “How do you create a system by which the best people and or best ideas rise to the top and win. And then the solutions get implemented.And the worst people with the worst ideas to lose.”
Good question — but you probably left out an important implied qualifier: ‘non-violently’.
Historically, violence has been the preferred human route for eliminating incompetent & inefficient Political Classes; often violence by outsiders, taking advantage of the situation. And that still remains the default, no matter how disturbing the thought may be for today’s comfortably-ensconsed Political Class.
One of the great alternatives to violence in 19th Century Europe was ‘voting with your feet’ and emigrating to the US; the same procedure was used within the US, as the frontier moved west. That has become less effective over time. It is not just the closing of the frontier. Look at the Californication of Colorado — by people who largely left California to get away from intrusive incompetent government, but brought the contagion with them.
My guess is that the only non-violent way forward now would be a complete separation of the raising money for government from the spending of money by government. One part of a gelded Political Class would be responsible only for raising money, with no say over how that money gets spent. A second part would be responsible for spending government money, but having to live within an overall spending cap set by the first part.
But I am becoming increasingly pessimistic that there will be any improvement in our political arrangements without an intervening period of chaos (and probably violence). Remember we live in a world where many outside players will feed developing chaos in the West and take advantage of it for their own purposes. Our Political Class really has screwed the pooch.
Video: Entire Sherrod Speech
Comment at Newsbusters:
For those who can’t watch the entire video, there are four segments that bear mentioning:
1. Her story of how racism was invented by rich people at 21:30 is amazing.
2. Her inference that anyone who opposed healthcare is racist because they didn’t get behind Obama, (at 24:20), is insightful.
3. She talks about what a shame it is that she can’t dole out more aid money to black people and ends up giving it to white businesses at 29:45.
4 At 34:00 she goes into a long diatribe about how it’s such a shame that black farms get sold to white buyers.
Looking at all the jurnolist ho-haw, the Sherrod affair, the running, the shouting, and the screaming from all the other mess ups that have occurred. Today I’m convinced the Left is following a script lifted from an unpublished Terry Pratchett book.
“Guards! Guards! Liposuction! Make Up! Fire! Unfire! Call the Secrtary for Underwear Affairs for Dinner! Make sure he is well done!”
A quick and unpolished comment in response to Kinuachdrach (#151):
Ideally, we would effectuate political change by peaceful means. Unfortunately, given the growth of an entrenched political class and given the permanent campaign of the “Left”, it is not sufficient to merely show up at a polling station every blue moon. We must become civically active, and remain alert. “A republic, if you can keep it.” And no, posting comments on a blog doesn’t qualify.
This is understandably not most people’s idea of fun, and so this “civic maintenance” gets neglected. When matters inevitably get bad enough, people often choose two of the alternatives you mentioned: fight or flight. The trouble with emigration is that we’re running out of places. The trouble with violence… need I really expand on this?
Fine. Briefly: 1. Violence is the last resort. Killing your countrymen (even if you’ve defined them out) is an evil, and it is your responsibility to do what you can to ensure it doesn’t become necessary. 2. Violence is destructive. Most violent revolutions tend not to end particularly well. People who fantasize about an Armageddon-like showdown in which the sturdy True Americans will defeat the effete Political Class are doing just that. A defeat in detail is significantly more likely.
So what other alternatives do we have? Short term: the civic activism I mentioned (shout-out to Papa Ray). To quote an unwitting prophet:
Yes, I know you’d rather be spending time with your family, paying off your mortgage, reading, fishing, etc, but you’ll have to do more if you want to enjoy this country’s blessings. The Founding Father’s efforts were not a Jesus-like sacrifice that we can merely piggy-back on; we must renew and repeat their efforts continually. “If you can keep it.” Showing up on the playing/battle field at the last minute ain’t gonna cut it no more.
Long term: despite my exhortations, is the activism I exhorted to in the last paragraph something which the populace can be counted on to maintain? Given the changes that have taken place, should we use a burst of activism to effectuate a peaceful revolution that will somehow reverse the rise of the political class? What would the changes consist of?
Back to y’all.
woah, so Roosevelt had french DNA !
Delano
Respelling of French De la Noye, habitational name, with the preposition de, for someone from any of various places called La Noue or La Noë, for example in Marne, Charente, Maine-et-Loire, named with Gaulish nauda ‘moist or marshy place’, ‘swamp’.
Delano is a boy’s name. The name has an old French origin. Delano is particularly used as a surname. There are people who believe that the term “Delano” means “time of the night (de la nuit)” while others perceive the meaning of the name as “nut tree (de la noix).” One of the famous personalities bearing the surname Delano is the US president Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
A famous variant of the name Delano is “Dylan.” The name ranks poorly as a first name but fares well as a surname. Name analysts believe people with Delano to be the temperamental sort, but sensitive and passionate about things which are precious to them.
he name Delano is basically an old French origin. It is also a surname and it literally means “nighttime” (de la nuit) or “nut tree” (de la noix). Some of the other variants for this name are Delany, Delani, Delane, Alano, Dalan, Daelan, Devane, Delon, Dean, Deane, Declan, Delanie, Delainy, Delaine, Delman, Delfino, Devan, Dilan, Dolan, Dylan, Felan and Kelan.
The famous people named Delano are Barbara Delano, who is a wildlife conservationist, and William Adams Delano, an American architect of Delano & Aldrich. You also have Delano Lewis, former United States Ambassador to South Africa, former CEO of National Public Radio.
Some of the others include Diane Delano, Gerald Curtis Delano, Francis R. Delano, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jack Delano (American photographer), Jamie Delano, to name a few
The mayor’s name of Paris is Delanoe
Marie Claude (#155): “woah, so Roosevelt had french DNA !”
On this blog, this is likely to be met with comments of: “Well that explains it!”
If you want to improve France’s image, you’re better off pointing to two other descendants of de Lannoy: US Grant and Calvin Coolidge.
Oh, and happy holiday to any Belgiumer readers. I won’t risk wishing you Many happy returns.
FDR was constantly referred to as the ‘Dutchman’ by his peers ( Marshall ) — for what it’s worth.
Blert: After the Mexican-American War numerous younger sons of Cavalier families
came to Texas, bags, baggage, cotton gins and darkies. They were lured by that great new cotton-friendly bottom land in East Texas and rather compelled to relocate
by prevailing inheritance laws.
So there certainly were plantations in Texas. Additionally, the Republic of Texas
had always been financially strapped. The planters brought cash flow with them and
thus became disproportionately influential. (see “Lone Star” by Fehrenbach.)
And if Andersonville was Dachu, Camp Douglas was Unit 731. POW facilities of that period ran a 25% death rate. Andersonville 35%. If the full number of Camp Douglas deaths were known it might be double that of Andersonville. The point I was driving at was that Andersonville was largely the result of poor Confederate logistics, prevailing food shortages in the surrounding civilian community, neglect,
bureaucratic arrogance and massive incompetence. Douglas was with malice aforethought.
coisty: Richard Taylor “may” have received his education and thus his comission
from Louisiana State Military Academy which today is LSU.
If so, he got his learning from the founder of that school. William Tecumseh Sherman.
15. Mad Fiddler:
Here is something that I believe was linked on this blog sometime back and it has a slew of information in it. I don’t know if this is what you were looking for or not:
http://documents.nytimes.com/documents-on-the-oil-spill?ref=us#document/p37
Sorry if your question has been answered…I just now checked in.
33. Josh:
It seems today like we are awash in the Peter Principle…except rather than by mistake, it may be intentional.
Like too much inter-breeding; after a time, it is possible to breed out some of the necessary chromosomes…perchance the parts that you internally abhor. Until that is, part of the plan is to get rid of those who built the superstructure and there is no plan to maintain it. Eventually it begins crumbling and while it rots, you just can’t seem to figure out…why?
After all, you had the perfect plan to fix everything…on paper.
Bob
my point was that Roosevelt ancestry didn’t match his “love” for us, if it had only handled to him, we would have had to work out the german invasion by ourselves
49. flying squirrel
If Hillary had won, she like slick Willie would have taken undue credit for any economic recovery but without the active interference that is now preventing it. It would have helped progressivism seem sustainable.
Again, there’s no argument conservatives can articulate that is as irrefutable as what liberals actually do when they get to govern.
And do you know what’s scary? If she ousts Obama, she could be the next President. Who the heck do the Republicans have?
Just think of all the folk who would vote (again) for HISTORY because they would be voting for the first woman! president.
Insanity.
I think people are way too pessimistic about our long term prospects. The support systems for the left are, for the most part, considerably weaker than they were even a short time ago. Most are under pressure, and a few are in a state of advanced decline. They won’t go or change easily, but the trends look positive. The Progressives are being tripped up by the fact that they are now in the open, and they don’t have control of the media to hide their baser instincts.
It won’t be easy, and there’ll be a lot of pain, but I think we have a very good chance to return to sanity. It’s not going to happen overnight, but I think it will if the opponents of Progressivism can articulate a coherent philosophy. That’s job one and it won’t be easy.
Many of their support systems can be challenged either on a State level (Education, for instance) or a personal level (the media come to mind). That’s where the action will be – at the State, local, and individual pocketbook level. The best we can hope for from the Federal government is that the GOP cancels or blocks some of the more egregious Progressive policies. The national GOP doesn’t have much to say, and no real interest in changing the game.
70. anton: They have killed and eaten the Golden Goose and don’t understand why she will not any longer lay eggs.
More probably Anton, they have killed and eaten the Golden Goose and can’t understand why they can’t lay golden eggs.