BREAKING NEWS:
I will be discussing this case and the issue of stoning on FOX’s internet live stream channel: “The Strategy Room” later this morning at 11:30am est–11:55am est. Kimberly Gilfoyle will be my host.
Even the New York Times got it right and put the news on their front page. The Afghan Taliban is back in business, and they just ordered two hundred men to stone two human beings to death for the crime of loving each other and wanting to marry. The all-male mob happily obliged them and included the couple’s closest relatives and neighbors.
Amazingly, the Newspaper of Record does not use the word “Muslim.” They refer to “religious authorities,” “a religious court,” and to “religious scholars,” but they name no religion. Is it Buddhism, perhaps, which once flourished widely in Afghanistan? Or is the unnamed religion paganism, perchance? Alexander the Great, for example, was a proud pagan, and he cut through Afghanistan on his way to India, leaving shamanistic and pagan practices in his wake. The Sassanids, who once also ruled in Afghanistan, were Zoroastrians.
Afghanistan, once the crossroads of the world, was not a Muslim country until Arab Muslims colonized the entire Middle East and Central Asia by the sword from the seventh century on; the bloody, proselytizing task was completed by the tenth century. Islam is now the religion which rules Afghanistan, the very religion which the New York Times does not name.
This omission is ridiculous since everyone knows that the Taliban are Muslims, and indeed they (and their counterparts in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Africa, Malaysia, and the Arab Middle East) all increasingly claim that stonings, beheadings, amputations, floggings, acid attacks, and nose and ear cutting are allowed or even commanded when Muslims, especially Muslim girls and women (sometimes men, especially if they are “out” Western-style homosexuals), defy some cultural, tribal, or religious norm — that Muslim “honor” demands such punishments.
Some say that such practices are not — or even if they are, should not be — Islamic practices and that one must use Islamic sources in order to reform and modernize a desert-based seventh-century religion. They may have a point — but Western governments are not helping such a Reformation project when they support and hire smooth and deceptive Islamists who are not pro-Western but who are, rather, in sympathy with the Taliban in some ways. Why not turn to the real moderate Muslims who are anti-Islamists and allow them to “speak for” the Muslim Street? This is what the contributors to Zeyno Baran’s excellent collection, The Other Muslims: Moderate and Secular, implore. This is precisely why you should read Zuhdi Jasser’s piece on the proposed mosque at Ground Zero.
Some say that we cannot eliminate the concept of honor but that we must, instead, replace one concept of honor with another. Kwame Anthony Appiah suggests just this in his new book, The Honor Code: How Moral Revolutions Happen. He believes that the practices of dueling, the Atlantic slave trade, and Chinese foot-binding changed when people’s attitudes towards them changed. “Honor must be turned against honor killing.” Thus, people — outsiders and dissidents — must educate people about the dishonorable nature of honor killings.
The NYTimes story tells us, “Even family members were involved, both in the stoning and in tricking the couple into returning after they had fled.”
I am reminded of stories I heard when I lived in China during the springs semesters of 11984 and 1989. Children reported their parents, husbands reported wives, and wives reported husbands for being rightists or counter-revolutionaries. I should add that I never heard of a case of parents turning in their children.
Marxism and Islam are the only two doctrines today in which people have absolute, blind faith. Unquestioning faith, whether religious or atheistic, is a force tha makes smart people stupid and good people bad.
Generally speaking, when a society composed of unquestioning believers comes into conflict with a society composed of questioning, moderate semi-believers, you’d do well in the long run to bet the ranch on the former. Those 7th century Arabs conquered many nations — most of them much richer and more advanced. The Moors and the Ottomans were defeated by Christian armies who were just as faithful as the Mohammedans. Both battles were pretty close-run things, which the Mohammedans would likely have won if they had faced outnumbered armies of unbelievers. You can’t beat something with nothing. You’d think nominal Christians, reading the history of Christianity and the Roman Empire, should know that, if not much else.
Right on.
Communism and mohammedanism.
The godless and the ungodly.
The word “Islamic” is mentioned many times in the article. Plus, perhaps the NYT has enough faith that its readers know by now that Afghanistan is populated almost entirely by Muslims and that words like “Taliban” and “mullah” do not refer to Buddhists or Zoroastrians.
You are so right. Just as when the Times reports on sex scandals in the Catholic Church they only write about Bishops and Priests, and never, ever refer to the Catholic Church.
Oh, wait . . .
Ross is right, Charlie. Chesler writes that the NYT “does not use the word “Muslim.” They refer to “religious authorities,” “a religious court,” and to “religious scholars,” but they name no religion.” Wrong. Islam is the religion in question in this article, and the Time’s names it three times. Chesler also criticizes using “religious authorities/court/scholars” but ignores the references to Sharia (mentioned four times) and Mullahs (mentioned three times). This isn’t one of her best columns.
The words Muslim or Muslims is never used. The punishment is called a “harsh” form of Sharia Law. The words Islamic is never mentioned until well into the article (8 th paragraph), and the court that passed down the sentence was not a civil court but Islamic as they were bound to reveal.
Later the words Islamic was used in quotes by the Islamic authorities who blessed the sentence of stoning the couple to death because they broke the laws of Islam. Stoning was reintroduced by Islam, with beheading and amputating another favorite form of justice.
The New York times as well as many western news organizations do not want it to appear as if the Taliban is Islam, and it is only through quotes by the Taliban that we see that indeed the Taliban “is” Islam, not a form but a confirmation of the words and deeds of Mohammad who speaks to the nature of Allah.
Ya know, Islam can’t remain an Area 51 forever. The truth is bound to break free no matter what the New York Times wants to pretend, the Taliban is Islam.
Why are you so cruel, Lynn? You know they don’t like it when you argue with facts like that.
Unfortunately the Islamic ideal is the predominant one over there and the chances we will change it are zero in a thousand. When the allied troops went there after 9/11 it was to find and punish the perps and the backers of that atrocity. It has now turned into a lets change them into something they do not as a whole want to be. It is a waste or time and the lives of the troops over there. Until Afghanistan as a whole, thats the people, the war lords and what they call their government want to change I believe we should withdraw from there and leave them to their own devices.
Bob D,
Unfortunately, the Taliban would just re-establish themselves and the terrorist training camps would begin anew. Worse, they would be emboldened and the end result would be that our initial, justifiable invasion would have been for naught. I’m afraid we’re going to have to fight these barbarians until they’re all dead. It’s going to happen sooner or later anyway. Might as well get it done now. I doesn’t really matter if we establish a democracy, or set up a dictatorship. They deserve what they get, and what we wind up giving them will be better than what they’ve got.
Agreed … it’s no longer possible for muslims and Christians to avoid contact/conflict … islam does not lend itself to accomodation, assimilation, or negotiation … if it is not conquered/destroyed, it conquers and destroys .. there is no middle ground and we are now beginning to experience that …
If the Muslims just stayed in Eastern Europe and Asia and didn’t bother America or Western Europe, it wouldn’t be hard to “live and let live.” However it is in their culture to want to conquer. They want what we have. They’re using our laws against us. They haven’t given anything to modern society except the car bomb and human explosives. In the mid-1800s the Governor of Missouri issued an extermination order against the Mormons, and they weren’t bothering anyone at all. They fled across the Rockies, outside the United States border. Why can’t we issue an extermination order against the Muslims?
Excellent and chilling report. I was especially taken with the comments on the way the NY Times avoids using the word Muslim and prefers generalities. Phyllis, in your usual sharp style, you make fools out of the newspaper of record. Congratulations.
the nytimes is a putrid puddle of waste. no, it never mentions moslems except when they think there’s something cute about them. then, the times goes to great lengths, with videos and long stories. every headline regarding israel is anti-israel.
the nytimes and moslems should be thrown in the trash, where both would feel right at home. they have the support of the nyt, despite the fact that they are murderous, treacherous, a threat to america’s security, and using our freedoms to insinuate themselves into our culture to destroy us.
in the garbage can we can also throw a good many of our politicians, starting with bloomberg who makes it clear why it is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than get into heaven, the dumb shmuck anthony weiner, and of course, our islamic president whose obsessive involvement with these miscreants and their insane notions of piety, we can only wonder at.
quite clearly, americans of every stripe have had it with all of them, and if the “imams” don’t stop their crap they will find themselves on a boat headed back to allahland, never to step foot in america again.
AMEN, SISTER! Oklahoma’s with you!
Is it even possible to be a “secular” Muslim? I think not.
The politically correct dhimmis (government types, so called writers)who refuse to name Muslims and call them on their acts of savagery, share some responsibility in this savagery.
Try this, from Mark Levin’s show, Barb: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/17/audio-mark-levin-interviews-zuhdi-jasser-on-the-ground-zero-mosque/
Thank you for the link. This is the first muslim I have ever heard speak out against Sharia law. He sounds like a wonderful man. However, you do know that their holy books tell them that is perfectly acceptable to deceive infidels.
Withdrawing from Afghanistan is not enough. We must also insist that immigrants to our country obey our laws and respect our culture. We must begin to realize that they are not a religion but a political organization.
Who is brave enough to denounce such Tribal Cultures, based on Tribes and Clans, (where personal Privacy almost doesn’t exist)?
This is the Problem,
together with Western Multiculturalism, which forbids Criticism against foreign Cultures/Religions/Whatever,
while at the Opposite, praises them.
Those who (psychologically, physically) die under such an Ideology are quickly forgotten,
and Understanding is bestowed upon those who remain alive.
I don’t know ….
Good Night.
Although I like the idea of collective responsibility, perhaps mass deportation does not go far enough. These people would, after all, be welcomed back to their native lands as heros. Here’s an idea straight out of our Judeo-Christian heritage, which has the added attraction of giving these sons of allah (piss be upon him) a taste of their own medicine:
Joshua 7:24-26 (New King James Version)
Then Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, the silver, the garment, the wedge of gold, his sons, his daughters, his oxen, his donkeys, his sheep, his tent, and all that he had, and they brought them to the Valley of Achor. And Joshua said, “Why have you troubled us? The LORD will trouble you this day.” So all Israel stoned him with stones; and they burned them with fire after they had stoned them with stones. Then they raised over him a great heap of stones…
My parents are from India, and yes, honor killings do happen in India among Hindus BUT one difference is that the Indian government does not condone it, Indian feminist groups speak out against it, and the police do prosecute, though the Indian police are notoriously corrupt. Also, in the West, Hindus in general do assimilate and do not practice this barbarity. To the extent that Hindus do such things, I totally condemn it. It is wrong, it is primitive – a mob style justice incompatible with freedom and humanistic values. People should be able to love who they want, to worship as their soul leads them and to speak the truth that is in their hearts. To kill people for loving the wrong person, worshiping the wrong God or speaking the wrong words is immoral and unjust. I condemn it.
My response is this cartoon on Sharia law and stoning at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/nasa-outreach-to-muslims/
Republican candidate for congress, Harvard Physicist, Mike Stopa says he would not want a mosque in his neighborhood.
http://llphfreedom.blogspot.com/2010/08/two-comments-on-issue-of-mosques-by.html
‘HONOR’ is a joke and it’s so primitive and sad that it’s pathetic that people are so caught up in the name of ‘honor’.
I feel like I’m going to puke and that’s not something I say lightly.
Just another reason why we should get out of Afghanistan now and let them enjoy the fruits of their regressive, repressive and repulsive 7th century religion. Why waste another American life in a country that has no use for Western style government and even goes out of it’s way to murder those who think they should. You’d think with all the Hashish they have in Afghanistan they’d find a better use for the term “stoned” but maybe not.
Personally I am ecstatic that stories like this one about the stoning of an Islamic couple after a five minute kangaroo court with no appeal possible and the sentence of death carried out just a couple of minutes after the verdict is delivered are being publicized in the West. I am just as pleased every time the Western media picks up and runs with a story about a Moslem family murdering two or three of it’s daughters or nieces or cousins or wives in what they call “honor killings.” I love it every time a Moslem women appears in public wearing a niqab, burqa, or some other scary mode of Islamic dress.
This is because with every publicized Islamic stoning, every publicized Islamic honor killing, and every weird display of Islamic dress denigrating women, Westerners get a chance to see for themselves the real results of Islam, the Koran, the Koranic Sharia, and the expected return of women to the status of chattel should the Moslems ever gain a majority.
Ken: I see where you are going, but here in America the Nomenklatura are so powerful in the government, MSM and academia that nobody believes that this sort of thing REALLY happens. And if it does happen it must be an aberration that can be rationalized by multiculuturalsim and poltical correctness. The LEFT would never criticize this…ever.
Right or wrong, this form of Islamic justice has permeated their society and will infiltrate ours. While it may be an extreme form it seems that most of the people in these countries approve of it, whether it is because they agree or they are so full of fear they dare not speak out, because they may be the next victim.
I do not think that these events are an isolated incident but rather a social statement of a religious war that will spread across the world and involve all religions. The various ideologies or religious thought should focus on unity and acceptance of each other and it is through fear and intimidation that you can control the masses, whether it is by the use of the media or perhaps it is through the propaganda machine of the military industrial complex,
Enough of the exterminating of innocent civilians otherwise there will be no stopping the backlash that will overwhelm even the mightiest of all armies,
When a person is indoctrinated into sense of superiority, that God will justify his actions ( or hers) then they will not stop until they succeed at their quest,
How many people have the same beliefs, there are over 1 billon Muslims in the world, if it is only 10 percent then that is 10 million, more than enough to carry out Jihad,
Just a thought
On the other hand, if you listen to what the Pakistan people in the flooded areas have to say about us ‘westerners’ (even while demanding that we hurry up and supply them with what they need to survive) you may get an idea of just how much kuffars are despised by the muslim people.
This is not a case of tolerance or honour or moderate or radical, this is a purely supremacist ideology.
If you have a pack of wolves living in the mountains near your village, you call for the hunters – while the rest of the village throw meat to the wolves to ‘pacify’ them until the hunters can kill them all.
We in the west are the ‘wolves’ living on ‘their’ territory.
They ‘the muslims’ are the good villages, their words are the scraps they throw to keep us pacified until the jihadists can get around to eliminating us all.
There IS no middle ground!
What lame comment. Your trivial judgement is stupid and self serving. The people of Pakistan acknowledge and appreciate the help and assistance provided by the “Westerners”. We also remember the help extended to us during 2005 Earthquake by the United States. We are thankful to the Wast particularly the US government and US Army for their quick response towards relief and rehabilitation of the flood victims. An overwhelming majority of Pakistanis despise and condemn Al-Qaeda and the Taliban for their savagery and outright distortion of Islam and Sharia law. Pakistan itself is the worst victim of terror. Pakistan is a great product with a very bad brand name.
Remember your history?
“Pakistan will have nuclear weapons, if it (read: they, the hoi polloi)
has to eat grass.” So what did that cost? $20B? $50B? $100B?
NOW they are eating grass. Thanks to their leadership.
Thanks to their mohammedan rage, their hatred of India.
Really, their hatred of kuffars. They demanded partition.
What mighty works could have been done (especially with low labor costs)
to both protect the land from flooding and provide irrigation.
Now, the west, suffering its own depression, and having helped Haitti recently,
is being asked, almost demanded of, to bail out Pakistan.
Where is the House of Sod in all this?
They could write a check for $4B from petty cash.
They could forego their Wahabbist expansion for one year. Fat chance.
Excellent analogy. Dr. Chesler raises the issue of Islamic barbarity, but like many others continues to talk nonsense about “moderate Muslims” and “Islamic reformation”. There is no good Islam. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Mohamed was thoroughly evil, there is no reformation of evil that could be acceptable in a civilized world. There are, however, other religions and systems of belief that are compatible with modern civilization. Islam should be eradicated where ever it exists and replaced with one of these. If not,they will do it to us the minute they are powerful enough to do so. gsw gets it right.
I only see blind and distorted emotions engulfed in the fire of hate, and full of willful ignorance. But I sympathize with your condition as mentally you are suffering from persecution mania. Your delusional disorder regarding Islam is deplorably bad. Cheers.
@Shamyl
“…you are suffering from persecution mania.”
And you are suffering from ‘projection’ of your problem
onto others. You ‘invented’ islamophobia aka mophobia.
WHERE IS THE LAME STREAM MEDIA ON THIS???????? They should be rounded up along with the Taliban, make them live together….
Where were the Americans?? I thought Afghanistan wrote a new Constitution . If we have soldiers there, they should have done something. A culture that allows this is a culture that needs to change.
In the US you can build a mosque anywhere you want…in Afghanistan you get to stone your neighbors to death. “Our soldiers” wouldn’t dare interfere with that pesky “freedom of religion” thing. Of course, in muslim countries stoning also falls under the “pursuit of happiness” provision making it a win-win situation for everyone but the dead.
Could someone please explain why the NYT would be so nice to criminals??
Jack, quick answer, the Times decidedly hates Christians & conservatives more then muslims, no matter what the extent of violence or barbaric behavior.
After all, we’re only at war with murderous islam. There is a real animus against their own country over at that rag, something they share with The O, plus they’re driven to show how tolerant they are as compared to all us ignorant rednecks.
Ms. Chesler: What is the status of Rifqa Bary?
While I find the idea of using shame in this manner attractive, it’s not an American thing to do – the extended relatives being deported may well be the very ones who tried to stop the killing, for instance, and it may not be just bloodlines supporting the killing but mosque communities, etc. The only way we can combat honor killing in America is to make our collective cultural shame and revulsion very clear – which should have the end result of miring the families responsible in poverty, instead of deportation. Unfortunately, we must depend on cultural assimilation to create an atmosphere in which this would work – and our cultural assimilation has been broken for years.
So – to prevent (dis)honor killings from becoming a part of America’s fabric, we need to fix official instruments that have encouraged cultures to NOT change. Put everything in English, don’t allow self-Balkanization of neighborhoods, and encourage pride in being an American, not a hyphen. The direction it’s going right now, our American culture is allowing diseases like this to fester.
The solution to this barbarism is for the United States military to track down the mullahs and charge them for the murder of the victims–just as the British tracked down the Muslim and Hindu adherents of Thuggee until they were all destroyed. Thugs won’t tolerate democracy–the two cannot coexist so the thugs should be exterminated.
1. Some of Chesler’s work is informative, but overall it is uneven IMO. This piece is a case in point. I agree with Ross Rapaport #2 and Dikehopper.
2. Chesler:As much as I shrink from collective punishment, only something like this might constitute an even greater dishonor. Imagine being responsible for the deportation of 30-100 relatives, only 20 of whom actually collaborated in the honor killing of a girl because she was becoming “too Western.” Imagine the shame and dishonor that would accrue to the family responsible for such a massive deportation. (p)Think about it.
She doesn’t seem to be shrinking very much. To paraphrase the old Thousand Points of Light speech, if a pundit says that collective punishment is a last resort, it’s a resort she plans on checking into soon.
3. Otoh, if the NYT’s account is verified, I am fine with applying collective punishment to the village where the couple was stoned. No warning. No mercy. Complete destruction. Contaminate the ground so rebuilding is impossible.
And no explanations.
They’ll figure it out.
My fellow dudes and dudettes,
“Hello!” I think once again we are taking the actions of a couple of religious fanaticists and therefore condeming the entire Muslim religion. Choose tolerance over hate, as you would like done unto you! Choose life! L’Chaim! Peace out!
Yes Mika, let’s all be tolerant and peaceful toward the world’s most intolerant and barbaric religion. The NYT will never do a story on the history of Muhammad, who was a murderer, torturer, ethnic cleanser, Jew hating bigot and pedophile. And those were his good points. Why anyone would follow this 7th century Hitler is beyond me. The MSM can’t tell the truth about Islam because it is a sordid tale of subjugation, coercion, torture and bloodshed.
Umm … this happens among Hindus in India too. Couples getting killed because they crossed caste lines.
Anybody have a clue what’s so attractive about going to heaven to be with “72 virgins?” Seems to me that one would want at least ONE woman who had a clue about what she was doing, but maybe that’s just me.
Little known fact: the 72 virgins all look like Helen Thomas.
Adendum: The 72 virgins are all male computer geeks who are pasty white and overweight from living in their mother’s basements.
Oh yeah, and they still look like Helen Thomas.
Talk of the Devil?
Is she back home in Lebanon
giving comforts to Hezbollah?
#25,
Marine Barracks 1983, 1989 over Scotland, Kobar Towers, USS Cole, 1994 WTC, 2001 WTC, beheading, stonings, snipers in DC, Honor murder across America in the name of Mohammad, etc…
You are a fool. How many examples do you need to wake up, and see Islam for what it is? It is a death cult, following a mad man named Mohammad, and worshiping a false moon god named Hubal, Allah, and Sin.
ROPMA!
When didn’t Christians do the same thing? When?
Why didn’t the newspapers say Christian invaders? But every act of Al Qaeda and extremist’s must be coupled with Muslim. It is a game to control your mind. There are good Christians and the others that pretend to be. NONE of them can walk on water.
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Do you have any references, or articles about Christians murdering in the name of Christ? I can think of one so called Christian that murdered a murderer of childrem, and Tim Mcvey was not a Christian.
Please do not name the Catholic Church during the Inquisition. They were not, and are not Christian, and we are writing about today.
Your attempt is apples vs oranges. He did it, so we can do it too. Your a fool, and Islam is the greatest death cult Lucifer brought to mankind.
ROPMA!
#20 JOHN T:Why is the NYSLIMES so kind to criminals? Easy, libtards love murder and brutality,especially aimed at normal, well adjusted western and westernized people.They lack the courage to actually stage a violent revolution and kill off those who disagree with them, so they do the next best thing, which is to aid and abet killers,whether Stalin Castro,Pol Pot, Mumia or Ted Bundy.They live in a state of fascination with human abominations they lack the courage to emulate:they want to kill,but lack the courage,so they instead support killers. Why do you think they oppose capital punishment, and defend murderers,while ignoring their victims? The vicious, homicidal paladins of Totalitarian Islam,who want to destroy the West,represent for the liberal,a welcome and timely substitute for the defunct Soviet Union.
#25 MIKA: Congratulations! you just won the Frank Rich “useful idiot of the year prize” for dhimnitude! You can collect your prize(a unisex burkha ) at the nearest Saudi Consulate.also see above comment.
How come it doesn’t say Christians every time Bush mentioned Iraq during his presidency? He had bible quotes on his daily briefing folders. Why didn’t the newspapers say Christian invaders?
my understanding of my faith, Christianity, seems to be a very poor one, if the people in the middle of this commentary are correct. to paraphrase one of commentators above “the inevitable clash between Christians and Muslims…” is very disturbing to me. i’m not a dope – nor am i a Catholic. so martyrdom, as something sought after, turns my stomach. and i understand the violence of fundamentalism – ANY fundamentalism. if any fundamentalists become violent within the borders of my country, then I, personally, advocate violence to maintain the United States – what’s left of the Constitional United States, after the plague of the bush2. going to afghanistan was, originally, the only possible reaction to an attack on the sovereignity of my country. re: Iraq, of which we are not speaking, i will only say there we were indeed invaders.
don’t confuse this with my not supporting and having sympathy for the poor people who are there fighting and their loved ones. i do, with all my heart.
but the Gospel, the one i understand, preaches Peace. the argument that our leaving Afghanistan will be seen as an unwillingness to take terrorism seriously moves me. The Christian vs. Muslim argument makes me ill, and once again, flies in the face of all Christ Himself preached.
I know Peace isn’t all that fashionable, even post-bush. Kill them all seems to be the gleeful cry of fundamentalist, and other, Christians. bush said those who don’t support the war effort are/were unpatriotic. do you know whom he was quoting? Hermann Goering, second nazi in command.
Goering said there was a way to turn even the most liberal democracy into a dictatorship, supported by the people.
first you need a crisis, real or manufactured. thank you, you bloody fundamental Muslims for making THAT easy.
then you identify an enemy – (Goering said it helps if they look different. once again, spot on.)
then you personalize it – “they are coming for you.” fear is a powerful motivator.
then you go to war, strip people of their rights – ANYTHING. and the final and most powerful of the steps is employed here.
ANYONE WHO DOESN’T SUPPORT THESE STEPS IS UNPATRIOTIC.
it worked.
sorry – i have never thought of Christianity and nazi in the same breath.
just as i have never thought of Christianity and violence in the same breath.
the crusades were the same kind of fundamentalist terrorism one sees with the Muslims now – i’ve begun to wonder if it isn’t some kind of religious adolescence.
there is one HUGE difference: the industrial revolution, and the “progress” in the development of weaponry since then.
in any case, state sanctioned and mandated war to protect one’s nation is a completely different issue than war in the name of God, which spits in His face, and in the case of my brothers and sisters in Christ, nails Christ to the Cross all over again. rather than roman soldiers doing the pounding, it is the supporters of such blasphemy who are guilty of the Crucifixion.
any ass who believes in such a thing and then thinks he will be sitting at the right hand of God, a Prophet, or any Holy anyone, is very sadly mistaken.
my definition of Hell is eternal separation from God, whom i love and revere above everyone and everything.
we Christians have been warned, over and over again, about the final and very personal cost of our own hatred and support of violence. even one of them is once again, spitting right in the face of our Maker.
jihad, my eye. a word that has no meaning.
i take that back – jihad has a very serious meaning. jihad means you have declared war against Allah. God. the Creator, by name one calls Him.
those particular Muslims will find themselves quickly deported from the Presence of the God of all people. His spit will rain on THEIR faces.
as will it any Christians who support the same kind of horror.
it doesn’t matter by what name you address God.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A HOLY WAR.
The holier than thou “tolerant” left looks down on the majority of American’s who do not want a victory mosque built near ground zero. Obama and his ilk base their support of the ground zero victory mosque on religious tolerance for the so called “peaceful” Islamic religion. I wonder if Obama and the left’s tolerance of the Islamic religion in the US, extends to some of the existing practices of Islam in other Nations including the stoning to the death of women in many Islamic Nations, like Iran, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The so called “peaceful” religion of Islam calls for stoning it’s most sacred text the Koran: 58. traeh
IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, MUHAMMAD REPEATEDLY ORDERED STONING:
In the most canonical hadith collection, Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 805:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah Al-Ansari:
A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Apostle and Informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.
See: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.805
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah’s Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. “What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?” They replied, “Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said, “O Allah’s Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah.” The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, “Lift up your hand.” Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn ‘Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.
See: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.809
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 813:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
When Ma’iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, “Probably you have only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?” He said, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet said, using no euphemism, “Did you have sexual intercourse with her?” The narrator added: At that, (i.e. after his confession) the Prophet [Muhammad] ordered that he be stoned (to death).
See: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.813
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 815:
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid:
While we were with the Prophet [Muhammad], a man stood up and said (to the Prophet), “I beseech you by Allah, that you should judge us according to Allah’s Laws.” Then the man’s opponent who was wiser than him, got up saying (to Allah’s Apostle) “Judge us according to Allah’s Law and kindly allow me (to speak).” The Prophet said, “‘Speak.” He said, “My son was a laborer working for this man and he committed an illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, and I gave one-hundred sheep and a slave as a ransom for my son’s sin. Then I asked a learned man about this case and he informed me that my son should receive one hundred lashes and be exiled for one year, and the man’s wife should be stoned to death.” The Prophet [Muhammad] said, “By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your one-hundred sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive one-hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death.” Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
See: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.815
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 817:
[excerpt from long hadith]Narrated Ibn Abbas:
…Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, ‘By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah’s Book,’ and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession…
See: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.817
In the Qur’an “Allah” says at least 25 times that Muhammad is to be obeyed. That is one reason why the vast majority of Muslim scholars accept the Bukhari hadiths and a few other hadith collections as authoritative for Muslims: canonical hadiths show what Muhammad did and said, permitted and forbade.
Christianity has gone through a reformation so practices like burning witches to death that occurred hundreds of years ago are now outlawed and considered barbaric. Islam has not gone through a similar reformation, so the left’s tolerance for Islam (as it exists today in many Islamic Nations) is comparable to tolerating racism,homophobia,sexism, etc. etc. which the left claims to be against. What is strange to me is why the left is so suddenly in favor of Islamic religious freedom when the left has spent their life time trying to expel any form of Christian symbols and celebrations from the public square.