When Jimmy Carter was president, I dreaded the morning news, which invariably brought some new embarrassment, whether it was the president boasting that America had “lost its inordinate fear of Communism,” or whispering to the Polish dictator that Carter had not lost hope of bringing the tyrant back to Christianity, or slashing our military strength, or apologizing to the Khomeini regime in Iran for presumed past American sins.
The dread is back. Worse than before.
The disgusting spectacle of President Obama personally — the usual first-person verbiage again in play — apologizing to murderous Afghan Muslims for the Koran book burning, without condemning the murder of American soldiers, is a new low in failed leadership.
As of this writing, Secretary of Defense Panetta and General Allen — who commands the international force in Afghanistan — have condemned the murders, and various Afghan officials have apologized. Neither President Obama nor President Karzai has spoken about the murders.
What, if anything, does the president have to say to the parents, orphans and widows of the murdered Americans in Afghanistan? His silence on those murders suggests, at a minimum, some sort of deranged “understanding” of the killers’ motivation, as if to say, “well, what do you expect? American soldiers slimed the Holy Koran, so obviously angry Muslims were going to slaughter some Americans.”
Does this mean that the president has issued Muslims a pass on barbaric violence? Does it mean that he sees a moral equivalence between burning holy Islamic writ and killing infidels?
It was good to hear General Allen and officials at the Pentagon condemn the murders, but once the president decided to apologize for a mistake that didn’t physically harm a living person, it would have been entirely appropriate for him to have led the chorus of condemnation of the deliberate murder of our soldiers.
He is the commander in chief, after all. But, whereas he was front and center in the apology parade, he did not make an appearance when it came to Americans being killed. He delegated that one.
This is what is meant by a “teachable moment,” something entirely lost on a President who not only doesn’t believe in our own values but is somewhat disdainful of them, preferring instead some faux cosmopolitan outlook that questions ourselves and no one else as a default mode, almost like he’s a French “good guy” or un-ugly American.
This would’ve been an opportunity to say the whole thing was an accident, which is a morally self-limiting event, and while we respect the way Muslims feel about the Koran, we don’t ourselves buy into the idea of superstition trumping law, order and human life when push comes to shove.
Screw hearts and minds: it doesn’t work and people don’t respect those who come into an environment and fail to be themselves. I respect the values of countries I visit but up to a point. I don’t agree to temporarily shed my own rules wholesale. If an Egyptian cop wants me to not cross my legs in an office that’s fine – he’s not putting me in frickin’ jail for it.
I thought the whole idea in Afghanistan apart from military action was to introduce the ideas behind such things as the Bill of Rights and to be an example, not to kowtow to the worst excesses of the Spanish Inquisition just because of pure anger. If somebody else’s scale of emotion dictated my values I might have cheered as my step-father beat my mother because his coffee was cold.
Hot-tempered, easily offended and intolerant are not goals to emulate but stupidity to be conspicuously slapped down, especially during teachable moments when the world’s watching.
Agreed. I once read that, whereas Christians are heavily into shame, Muslims tend to be responsive to shame. Transgress against them and they are honor bound to retaliate; show them weakness and they will dominate.
Also, I thought the definition of “teachable moment” was when Obama does something stupid, he takes the stance that everyone else needs to learn something.
If you already know everything and are incapable of making a mistake, as Obama is, there is no need to learn and no fear of doing anything wrong. After-all he is our best president, just ask him.
Buchanan was a far better President than Obama.
If Barack Obama is so determined to apologize to someone, he might consider apologizing to his employers, the American people, for doing such a half-assed job as President.
Right on! I’m over it with the hearts and minds thing and with this delusion that we can remake a culture. Let’s come home and let them wallow for a few generations more in the so richly deserved oppression of the darling Taliban. When we think a direct threat to us has sufficiently reemerged then instead of drones, try cruise missiles on targets where it really hurts. Asymmetric warfare can work both ways.
A commentator recently observed that we should be careful how we construe the notion that a yearning for democracy beats in all men’s hearts. Even if true, you need more than desire. You also need wisdom and self control.
I see that my previous post is being evaluated.
Let me pick up where I left off with the “cruise missiles where it hurts”. I am not advocating deliberately targeting civilians but I do think that it has been a strategic mistake to telegraph that the civilian population can harbor these maniacs and at no risk to themselves. And that we will put our own forces at unreasonable risk for their sake. To put it bluntly, it would be a good thing for the general population to have some skin in the game too.
Consider this forinstance. When the hostages were rescued in Somalia a few weeks ago. What if, immediately following, we had the village evacuated and then flattened? Message delivered.
To my best knowledge that’s exactly what they do in Afghanistan. They call it pancake. I might be wrong.
No need to be violent, or kill anybody. They themselves have delivered the perfect weapon, shown us where to hit them hardest.
For every American killed in a muslim country, one mosque in America bites the dust. Not a new idea. Try R.A.H. for incentive.
New York has hundreds of mosques, and thousands of homeless. Some, if not all, of those mosques were financed by foreign governments.
For example: Iraq holds an American hostage?
Find a mosque financed by Iran, kick out all the carpets, burn the korans and furnish a shelter for the homeless.
Either they give up kidnapping people (not so likely) or we run out of mosques – ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d
As I sit here at my desk in Kabul, the whole situation over here has me increasingly concerned.
Despite the fact that General Allen took the unprecedented step of traveling to the base where two young soldiers from Ft. Stewart were murdered by an ANA soldier a few days ago, his words of caution to the troops about abstaining from reprisals against the ANA will probably not contain the damage caused by this latest round of green on blue incidents. Sooner or later, we are going to see some US troops turn their own weapons on their Afghan counterparts – an event that Allen apparently (and rightfully) fears and seeks to prevent. I don’t see how it can be avoided at this point though.
I really can’t blame our troops either. Having been a police trainer/mentor in Afghanistan a few years ago, I would not want to be in the shoes of any of our military personnel deployed here on a training mission. My trigger finger would be extremely twitchy if I was still at an ANSF facility doing mentoring.
When this incident does occur, there will be one hell of a reckoning over here. And now that Obama’s already expended the presidential apology, what next? Our prez could bend over and kiss his own arse on live tv as an act of contrition and it won’t matter one bit – egged on by Afghan gov’t officials and other power brokers, blood of the infidel will be the only thing that mollifies the religious crazies over here.
E2, extending the message that Obama’s prostrations tells us, as he bends over before Islamic killers,Israel’s leaders know the score. They understand fully, that under Obama, the Iranian Hitlerite regime will remain unmolested. Therefore, no one should be surprised when Jerusalem takes care of business.
And the sooner the better!
Captain Ears didn’t talk about the murders because, in his ever-so-arrogant nature, he believes that the US soldiers brought it on themselves.
There’s one thing to be the guy at a bar daring a big-bad biker dude to take a swing at ya, but it’s quite another to have said dude go after you because you looked at his girlfriend. To Obama, that’s reason enough and justified, unless of course, the tables were turned as E2 said, where it would be suddenly unacceptable and Obama would stop heaven and earth to crucify any GI who offed an Afghan.
For Americans, it’s this glaring double-standard that tells them Obama is not an American; Certainly not at heart. He is a communist and also an authoritarian who seems to think that as president, his job is to act like an all-knowing parent. This is a clear failure of leadership though.
I seem to remember a simple rule: Go through life with love in your heart. And a loaded weapon in your pocket.
Given the part of the world, I call to your attention the last verse of a Kipling poem:
When you’re left wounded on Afghanistan’s plain
And the women come out to cut up what remains
I won’t finish it. I’m sure you already know it.
Now … didn’t the last president apologize for pretty much the same thing?
Take you time.
And you’re suggesting we did a 180 on our values and cheered that event on? It is liberals who dispense right and wrong according to circumstances and political affiliation, not the movement that is trying to preserve plain common sense from being looked at like a Dodo.
Yes, Bush did the same thing. He should not have, but this was George “Islam is the Religion of Peace” Bush, who, having bought the insane multiculti philosophy that is destroying us as we efface ourselves to make way for what should be assimilated or changed, was no great leader.
Bush expressed regret over a Koran with bullet holes through it. It was expressed in a short phone conversation with al Malaki. No crazy muslim violence followed as I recall. You are comparing apples to oranges.
The headline on the Fox News website; “Killing raises concerns regarding Afghan reliability”. Bear in mind that I’m furious right now … but that headline HAS to be the most ‘head stuck where the sun don’t shine’ and totally ignorant ever! Essentially then … Obama gets another pass. Who in their right mind would trust anything coming out of Islam???? Obviously the “trust but verify” does not apply to Islam … we’ve had officers murdered before; blown up because of their total ignorance of Islam and that with which they’re dealing. Allowing any follower of Islam, access to our WH or membership in our military is a travesty and an act of outright treason. Sharia compliance is growing daily and as THE bearer of authority for our nation … Obama is accountable. Someone PLEASE explain authority and accountability to Obama and this administration; people are dying needlessly at the hands of PC Generals and those that cowe to the demands of Islamofascism.
What’s wrong with the fox news heading? Isn’t it true? If these security forces guys are shooting US troops doesnt that make them unreliable?
The Fox news “comment” is NOT news; Islam is unreliable and cannot be trusted. Only a moron would write a headline like, “Afghan unreliable” … DUh!! Ignorance of Islam is so frustrating. That’s my point … the headline is the work of an ignoramus!
We should never have committed ourselves to an indefinite nation-building venture in Afghanistan in the first place.
We spend years trying to win the support of the Afghan people in hopes that this might lead us to Osama bin Laden–all the while he was living it up in Pakistan.
Why can’t Americans accept the fundamental reality that Islam and Western-style democracy are absolutely incompatable? There can be no peace between Muslims and non-Muslims; in their World view, you must be a Muslim, a dhimmi, or dead. I don’t understand the attraction of their barbaric cult; you’d think that one look at The West would make the scales fall from their eyes as they compare The West to the cesspools all but the very top of the Muslim social and political elite live in. Yet, seeing The West only makes them more angry and resentful and makes them even more determined to destroy us.
I was find with the US going to Afghanistan and Iraq to make smoke and noise, break things, and kill people, but what in Hell was the Bush Administration thinking to believe we could install anything resembling civilized, stable, democratic government in places that have never had it and when they’ve come in contact with it, they’ve tried to destroy it. Until they got filthy rich because of Western fecklessness allowing them to appropriate the oil fields, anything they had that was worth a damn was the little of the Byzantine world that they hadn’t destroyed. So long as they adhere to their evil cult, there will be no peace and they will remain barbarians.
americans believe that we are all basically the same, and all basically good…
Didn’t Reagan point out that we fundamentally don’t understand Muslims?
And Americans are largely pig-ignorant of history and most of what little they know is leftist revisionism. Muslims simply foul their nests wherever they go. Sure, a few really really corrupt ones get really, really rich and hire some infidels to build nice buildings for them, but the only way they can maintain them is to bring in workers who are practically chattel from The Phillipines. They’re worse than antebellum Southerners for distaining anything that resembles honest physical work. The multi-culti crowd try to give them all sorts of credit for their intellectual achievements “back in the day,” i.e., before colonialism, but what little they had was either looted from the Greek/Byzantine culture or the work of Greek/Byzantine Christians forcibly converted to the barbaric cult in order to survive. Without even getting into anything intellectual or philosophical, just look at what they did to the physical Roman and Byzantine world that the conquered: Egypt and North Africa fed the Roman world, now they can’t feed themselves and the North African littoral has become desert almost to the coast when the Romans had productive farms and good-sized towns 150-200 miles inland. Anyway I get just sick to my guts of all the Religion of Peace crap, it is neither peaceful nor a religion.
That is the problem! The left has been pushing this view for years— “everyone is basically good; they have been oppressed by poverty. Let’s just make everyone in society equal, and we will solve all of America’s problems!”
Forsaking the Word of God for the Word of Government, has left us arrogant and broke as well. The correct view is: “…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” Romans 3:23 [NASB]
The inescapable truth is that Islam is the existential enemy of Western civilization. Read Dr. Andrew Bostom’s work, The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims to get a sense of the Islamic mindset and what its ascendancy might mean for the rest of us.
Read Lee Harris’ outstanding work, The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam’s Threat to the West to get a sense of why and how the West’s days may be numbered. We are our own worst enemy unless we face up to the hard choices necessary to remain free and prosperous.
If you’re still having trouble wrapping your mind around the fact that Western civilization does in fact have mortal and existential enemies, take a quick turn through Lee Harris’ Civilization and Its Enemies.
Islam is not so much a religion as it is a supremacist political ideology with a narrowly circumscribed set of rituals. As for ‘tolerance’, here’s a quote from the Muslim Brotherhood and their mission in the U.S, calling for…
Speaking to the ‘religion of peace,” assertion that we hear from Muslims and ignorant (yes, ignorant) Westerners, when Muslims assert that Islam is a “religion of peace” they are not engaging in al taqqiya, they are actually making an assertion in good faith.
The problem lies in the fact that Islam has, from the Western point of view, a defective concept of peace. In semitic languages like Arabic, the consonants are the “root” of the word: islam = submission, and salam = peace have the same root, slm.
The only concept of peace in Islamic jurisprudence is the peace between the conqueror and the conquered, between master and slave. There is no concept of a negotiated peace between nations in Islamic law (and note that law is the defining property of Islam—their clerics are jurists, schools of Qu’ranic interpretation are called fiqh, a legalistic term)—Muslims may negotiate a “hudna” or armistice of limited duration with non-Muslim, but not a definitive enduring peace.
In that regard, Islam was, is and will be a serial murderer of entire cultures and peoples. This is what Islam has done throughout its entire 1400 year history. This is what it has done whenever it has finally gotten the upper hand in whatever culture is has opposed. This is what has been inextricably interwoven into the ‘DNA’ of its operating system. Those whom Islam does not destroy, it enslaves, diminishes and impoverishes. Islam strives for the conversion, enslavement or death of all who do not conform to its sadistic and cruel vision of Mankind. Islam cannot be ‘reformed’ in the light of our Western values of humanity and freedom. Were that so, it would no longer be Islam. For its psychopathic and cruel misogyny alone, Islam is an abomination and worthy only of extinction.
Time to move on. Afghanistan is not a country but a collection of primitive tribes composed of ignorant, uneducatable, superstitious, murderous human detritus that would have been considered backwards during the middle ages.
Let them have their religion. Return them to the squalor that is their birthright. Get our troops home. Pull out all non-military personell. Cut off all military, financial and humanitarian assistance. The Afghanis can petition the Prophet for succor. Position 500 armed Predator drones permanently over the country just to remind them that things aren’t quite over. To hell with them.
Agreed, but getting our materiel out of there is not going to be easy.
The WSJ very recently had an article about the U.S. negotiating with the northern “-istans” to get permission from them to use their previously agreed upon in-bound supply roads for our out-bound traffic when the time comes for us to leave Afghanistan. [...the Paki's have already denied permission and close the shorter route to Karachi harbor. ]
It looks to this armchair observer that we’re being set up for a “toll-paying” or “tribute-paying” situation. At present, apparently we’re not permitted two way traffic through those “-istans”.
I think it was in 1957 that General Eisenhower warned against getting involved in a land war in Asia.
How prescient he was.
I agree 1,000 percent! these people are savages and not one more American life should be lost in trying to bring them into the 21st century. they don’t want to be brought!
We still have 329 days to go. And G-d forbid this dangerous fool gets re-selected. BTW, great editorial about this incident in NRO by Andy McCarthy.
we should all give thanks for Andy McCarthy. he’s as good as it gets.
It should be noted that the ostensible main reason for 9/11 was because of American troops on “holy” Saudi soil, even though invited. Hundreds dead because of some weird Wahabbi technicality – that makes Pearl Harbor seem reasonable in comparison.
If not one American was in Saudi, if there were no Israel, if there were no oil, bin Laden or someone like him would have found a reason to attack the US. We were attacked because we appeared weak, that is justification enough in the political culture of the middle east.
You are absolutely correct. These people are animals. The only thing they understand is the heel of your boot on their neck, or their boot on yours.
Obama has bared America’s jugular to every barbarian on the planet since the day he took office. Make no mistake, we are getting exactly what we are asking them for in the language of the primitive jungle they inhabit.
My Dad used to be fond of quoting some endlessly long Arabic saying that boiled down to something about “a blade tempered beyond the point of usefulness.” I’d say that’s been us for a long time now.
We are losing the *elementary* faculties, and *will* that are critical to our survival, a condition that immediately puts one in mind of the ghastly, fictional Surgeon of Birkenau in the movie, “The Debt,” who wonders how one thousand people could have been marched to a death chamber by four armed guards. We seem hell-bent on becoming those people.
You are wrong: you can’t equate all Islam as one and throw just anything to a wall and see what sticks. We were attacked from a very specific Saudi and Wahabbi viewpoint that posits no infidels on holy Saudi soil. It was almost entirely Saudis on those planes. Saudi Arabia is like Washington, D.C., the capital of Islam and a red line that must not be crossed. It wasn’t just some “they” and “some” hatred.
If you take as a given that Islamic sharia law is the antithesis of everything America stands for, then it follows that the American Armed Forces should never be put on the ground to defend, serve and protect any sharia compliant government no matter what our perceived interests might be. We do it anyway, bending and twisting all concepts of morality and ethics to justify it. But in the end these expeditions never work out well for us because we will always be viewed as subservient infidels as was the case when we had troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia and is still the case in Iraq, Kuwait and especially Afghanistan. When we go into these countries we are expected to yield to sharia and we do, disgustingly so. But as the sickening events of the last few days show, no amount of self-imposed subjugation is ever enough for these people.
Think about it, after the Koran incident a senior officer on the scene is forced to issue a groveling apology via videotape despite the fact that two of his troops have just been murdered by an Afghan soldier. This is followed up by the Commander in Chief sending an apologetic letter with no mention of those murders and nobody gives it a second thought, just a couple more items in the news cycle. Now two more American officers murdered. The only rational response to this dark ages madness is to get off the ground ASAP, leaving no useable equipment behind. Not just out of Afghanistan but out of every other Muslim country where we have set up homesteading. Leave these people to wallow in their ignorance and violence. Maybe in some future century they will go through some sort of reformation, in the meantime they are not worth one more American life or one more American dollar, we owe them nothing.
Excellent comment.
Ditto that.
“we owe them nothing”
On the contrary my friend, we owe them quite a bit…
But we certainly do lack the balls to ever pay that over due bill, dont we?
The first American who saw the Obama apology for what it was and who exhibited proper leadership was . . . Sarah Palin. She immediately saw the situation properly and demanded that Obama get an apology from the Afgans for the murder of innocent Americans. Sarah Palin, derided by the Left and minimized by so many on the Right, instantly exhibited moral outrage and executive leadership. It is very clear why the Left focuses so much ridicule on her. She is the real thing that threatens their existence. It is less clear why so many on the Right join in on trashing of this good person. Sarah Palin understands America and its role in the world and should in fact be carrying the banner of the conservative party, if there was one.
Sarah Palin’s poll numbers don’t measure up to other possible contenders’ against Obama.
This shows a majority of Americans are, like Obama is, spineless cowards, and that’s that.
The first one I saw was Newt.
The first “one” of whom or what?
Well, let’s see. Exhibiting moral outrage was and is the right response. But that is not the same thing as executive leadership, and there are many of us who see her differently than her fans, perhaps not so much because we are morally or intellectually defective but because they have listened carefully and have decided that her qualifications and assets as a leader are not as great as her liabilities. It is the loony left that lives in a world of groupthink and derision of those who don’t all see the world in the same way. Outside of that part of the spectrum, perhaps there is room for having multiple views, not all supportive, of Ms. Palin.
When GWB ran on a platform of no more nation building, he was absolutely correct. He shouldn’t have forgotten that when 9/11 happened.
Retaliate? Sure. Bomb the crap out of them. Nation build? Hell no. Is the side we support any different than the Taliban. I mean, not only are they doing this, they make women marry their rapists. Why are US troops dying for such beliefs?
Not to mention it’s impossible to win a guerrilla war when the neighbors provide a safe haven and equipment/personnel. Unless you are prepared for a total war, you can’t win.
“bomb the crap out of them”? seriously? Do you mean more aggressive bombing than we have done so far, because we have “bombed the crap” out of just about everything that wasn’t connected to civilians. I get the disdain and derision on this site for people in developing cultures and nations, but you just want to bomb them because terrorists made their home there? That’s the murderous idiocy that drives independents to Obama. You are no better than the innocent people you want to “bomb the crap out of.” Go over there. Meet them. Enjoy your common humanity. Then bomb them. You wont’ do it because you will see differently.
I am loath to defend Obama but I really can’t see what else he could have done. Our boys are over there and asking the Afghans for apologies will only lead to further deaths. I was initially irritated at the Koran burning incident(needless antagonism) but I learnt that the Koran had been used to send messages. Apparently, Muslims desecrating the Koran is fine but if American soldiers deal with it by burning enemy communications (defaced by Afghans not Americans), people will erupt on the streets and the NYT will lecture the army on its insensitivity.
The Taliban isn’t our enemy any longer, it is Karzai’s; Al Qaeda is in Yemen, Africa and Syria now. All this talk of protecting woman’s rights is tosh. The plight of women in Afghanistan is only marginally better today than it was 11 years ago. What is the use of protecting “Afghan people’s rights” if they hate us in the first place? If they really see us as occupiers destroying their culture, then it’s their land and we should leave; even if they immerse themselves in a civil war in the future.
The most telling feature of this whole affair is the cowardliness of the media. Kill 28 people and the NYT will call it a ” fierce protection of Islamic faith”. But Rick Santorum’s personal opinion on contraception will be portrayed as a plot to take America to 3rd century Constantinopole , Mitt Romney’s Mormonism is a route for the LDS church to take over the US and the Christian right are the real fanatics. I am not a Christian myself but I am sick to death of the double standards concerning this issue.
The Left’s talk of making Muslims feel good about themselves is patronizing, slightly colonialist and not rooted in reality. I have been to Islamic countries and although the people in general are very hospitable, a majority of Muslims that I’ve met are scornful of Christianity & Judaism and tout Islam as the answer to all problems. They don’t talk of “interfaith” dialogues, but of the Koran as the inerrant word of God. They have the right to believe that but why must we validate their supremacism?
A pedantic point:
“third century Constantinople”?????
Constantinople didn’t exist in the third century. It was founded AD 330. That’s fourth century.
The White House has become Dar al-Islam. Can you truly disagree?
Unfortunately President Obama is purely a product of his upbringing and his past associations. His mother was a 60′s hippie whose life revolved around “sticking it” to the man while hating America because of its wealth and power.
Obama’s first self described “mentor” was Frank Marshall Davis a Black man who hated white America and preached communism while dabbling in pornography. His second mentor was Rev Jeremiah Wright whose “church” preached Black Liberation Theology. BLT revolves around the truly deluded idea that Jesus was a Black man killed by white colonialists. Wright’s and by extention Obama’s church teaches what it calls “The Black Value System.” The BVS claims Black Americans are “captives” in this country and attributes any and all crime in the Black ghettos of America to white oppression and Black victimhood.
Would any person with such a background ever believe that America was not the center of evil in this world fully liable for any “blowback” for her past sins?
Holding Muslims responsible for the murders of American soldiers is simply not something that Obama his wildest dreams would ever think necessary. After all Muslim culture demands such outbursts to protect their holy Koran. As a full fledged member of the left Obama knows that all cultures are equal except for American culture which is of course a debased system of white oppression of all people of color.
Whilst talking about Obambi’s upbringing it is important not to forget that his Father was a Muslim his adoptive stepfather was a Muslim and all his paternal family on both fathers sides are Muslims too, even his Kenyan Granny, that his election committee assured us was a Christian, did the Haj in 2009. He was also schooled in Indonesia as a Muslim where he was registered as Muslim in both the State and Catholic run Multi Faith schools he attended. He took ‘Koranic Studies’ at school which ONLY Muslim children take and he also took ‘Mengagi’ , the study of the correct pronounciation of Koranic Arabic, which only particularly devout Muslims take. He is remembered by his school colleagues as a DEVOUT Mosque going Muslim.
Little known fact – wonder why? On November 1, 1997, state senator Barack Obama introduced a senate resolution recognizing the work of a Muslim Community Center in Chicago. Obama was elected to the state senate in 1996, sworn in in 1997 and this was one of his first acts as a state senator. The record is there if anyone cares to examine it.
This resolution is the only one he sponsored or co-sponsored during his 8 years that recognized any religious based organization’s work in the community. Now, think about it for a moment. Not one Christian or Jewish community center or outreach was ever offered up for acknowledgment and recognition by Obama.
The anecdotal evidence and argument that Obama is a Muslim has been put before the American public for years and still, he is given a pass by his protectorate in the press, media, liberals, Democrats, and the entertainment industry.
When GWB apologized, he did so because of a protocol screw-up, not the burning of the Koran which was an accident with no harmful intent. Two different things and Bush was correct in being upset. The date should be remembered as well. The Bush White House incident took place in October, 2001, during a time when the nation was still rocked by the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The Obama apology was nothing more than another ass-kissing example of poor leadership and an acknowledgment of his true roots in the Islamic faith. Apologize for burning a used copy of the Koran and not ask for one in return for the killing of two of the soldiers who serve under you, the Commander-In-Chief of the military?
In the past, I have tried to give at least a modicum of understanding and accept Obama’s word that he is a Christian. Now, after this latest incident, my mind has been made up once and for all. The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, is a Muslim to his very core.
i dread it to michael. and so far only gingrich has had the balls to speak out against this latest atrocity. he just won my vote
on this account, gingrich has my vote, too, and palin would have it, if she were in the race.
Barack Hussein Obama may be a Christian by conversion, but he was born and raised a Muslim, where one suspects his heart may still lie. It was a conversion done, clearly, for political expediency and likely on the suggestion of his handlers and wife. Then just look at the home church he choose.
However, the Koran burning incident goes far beyond just that fact.
We are dealing with a country whose political structure is a loose confederation of tribes and ethnic groups, each of which is led by a “chief” and a council of advisers, and that council almost always includes one or more senior Imams or other religious personage. The chiefs, in turn, form a national council and elect a president, who may or may not actually control the council but does speak for Afghanistan to international fora and negotiate for Afghanistan with foreign governments.
This is greatly complicated by several facts. First, Afghanistan is “host” to ISAF, an international non-Islamic, military force dedicated to both training a nascent Afghani military and police force, and to wiping out the Islamist threat both to the Afghani government and to the Western world at large. Second, two of Afghanistan’s largest neighbors, Iran and Pakistan, are both regarded by the West with some degree of suspicion if not outright hostility. Quiet, and sometimes not so quiet, conflict occurs daily between ISAF and both Pakistan and Iran.
So, what happens when an ignorant U.S. or other military officer orders copies of the Koran burned instead of buried? The Imams see a “heaven sent” opportunity to stir up trouble. Both Iran and Pakistan heartily agree and tell their “friends” to go all out. The end result is that we get a faux demonstration of religious outrage, aimed, of course, at the foreign “invader.” It is great theater for the Afghani populace, improves the Imams standing with both their people and their foreign friends, distracts ISAF from it’s major mission, and gives the anti-war folks in the U.S and Europe more ammunition to use against their own governments.
good points, Afgahn riot control probably outnumbered the rioters.
The world is one big university classroom for President Zero.0. Every event is a teaching moment, an opportunity to haul out his moronic relativism, to display his ability “to see all sides.”
For those out there who desired a second term for Carter you got it! Second verse same as the first, only worse!
Having lived through every administration from Eisenhower’s forward, of this I am absolutely certain: I have never been more ashamed of a U.S. president than I am of Barack Hussein Obama.
I’m more ashamed of George W. Bush than I am Barack “The Destroyer” Obama. Obama is preforming exactly as I expected. He’s utterly predictable and he’s a complete disaster. Anyone paying attention in 2007 knew how his Presidency would play out. George W. Bush, on the other hand, campaigned as a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, and created the term “compassionate conservative”. He then presided over the largest expansion of government since Nixon and we’ll have to spend the next decade dismantling his “legacy” before we can start work on Nixon’s “legacy”.
I knew that Iraq and Afghanistan would turn out like Vietnam, where the soldiers won the battles but the politicians lost the war, if a Democrat were elected President but Bush didn’t. He choose to “nation build” while ignoring the “termites” of Iran and Syria who were constantly undermining the foundation. I’m more ashamed of Bush because I twice voted for the guy. Yeah, it’s probably just transference, I’m ashamed of myself for failing for the “lesser of two evils” mantra but I like my politicians to be predictable, I don’t like scratching my head and thinking “WTF?”.
But I do wonder about one thing — what was it about Obama that caused John McCain to say “He’ll make a good President” and campaign like it didn’t matter if he or Obama won the election?
The Government went out of control under FDR and every Democrat since has tried to out do him, with the exception of Truman! Vietnam became a real problem under JFK and an outright desaster under Johnson! Then of course the is the born again idiot Carter, single handedly gave Iran to the Mad Mullas! Do you remember Stagflation? High unemployment and high inflation? Slick Willy Clinton managed to take as his own budget cuts forced on him by a Republican congress. Then again he went 0 for 4 against the terrorists, unless you count bombing a pill factory a success? The brilliant move of telling the world how we were tracking Ben Laden before confirming that he was dead, which he wasn’t! Obama is just the latest in a long series of Democrat duds (not to be confused with Dudes)!
Here in TX, us cowboys consider being called “dude” fightin’ words. It’s a word Californicators use when they’re playing on the beach and smoking dope.
But calling a cowboy “dude” will get you roped and branded.
Hey dude, lighten up. I thought Texans were tough. If the dudes there can’t take being called dudes, maybe they are prissies after all. The Californicator thing is funny, ha ha, but I think that the out-of-wedlock sexual activity rate in the two states is about the same. At least that is what the dudes in Texas tell me.
Obama dislikes our military, and they know it. He’s sentimental toward Muslims, and they know it too (and take it for weakness). Never, in this nation’s history, has one man been more unfit to be president.
and yet 47% of voters still approve his performance. Something’s rotten to the core.
yes, 47% of the electorate and upwards of 80% of the professoriate and media.
Micheal, Im spamming a video I saw on Youtube. This will make your day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYEctbGSkkw
Got this in an e-mail this morning. It sure did my heart good. I think this lady’s name is Kara Davis. We should send her to Congress.
I don’t buy the 47% support. I live in flyover country in a battleground state. The contrast in attitudes among the folk then and now is polar opposite.
My day brings me in contact with many, many voters in situations where the news of the day is a common topic of conversation; we’re old. In contrast to the high expectations of hope and change that conned so many in ’08, one can scarcely find a voter willing to confess current support for Obama. The few that do, do so apologetically at best with only, “it’s Bush’s fault,” as their go-to justification. Most simply fall to silence and lower their eyes as Obama’s endless failures are catalouged. The last few days gas prices have been a hot topic, and nobody is buying Obama’s lame excuses about circumstances beyond his control as they understand his drilling and pipeline policy . . . and Obama’s green energy scam may not be front-page news at MarxistStateNBC, but it is not lost on the folks pulling up to the pump! Maybe we in the heartland aren’t as dumb as Obama needs us to be for his continued destruction of America to proceed past 1/21/13.
I’ve been actively involved in politics (first working for Nixon in ’72 and then going all-in with Reagan from ’76 forward) for all of my adult life. I’ve been here before, and Obama makes Jimma a piker by comparison. I know America and I will bet my life that we are watching the last days of this administration. Reagan trailed Carter badly in September/October before destroying him at the polls. The level of disgust with Obama, already dwarfs any ill-feelings the folks had for Jimma’s ineptitude. The folks know they’ve been conned by a man — and his wife — who despise this country, and it will end in November.
As poorly educated, as dumbed-down as we are, as poorly informed as the MSM tries to keep us, the inner knowledge that this is the greatest nation in the history of the world remains close to the surface in all but the simplest. Any candidate who articulately professes conservative values will landslide this historic national disgrace and embarrassment to sub-Carterian status in the roll call of American Presidents. Fear not.
Do not forget the massive fraud that has been perpetrated by the Left – here is just one example:
A group called ‘Houston Votes’, is a voter registration group headed by Sean Caddle, who also worked for the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) before coming to Houston. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid. Here is the link:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/23/voter-fraud-houston-tea-party-truethevote-texas/#ixzz1nbwq4QAj
Remember, too, that George Soros purchased the company that builds the voting machines for some of our States. Why would a multi-billionaire purchase a company that builds voting machines? Oh, that’s right – it was a terrifically sound investment that certainly promised GREAT returns to his portfolio!!!!
Funny thing about polls, who, how and where you ask determines the responses you get.
What’s worse is that it is now clear that Obama will do anything, ANYTHING, to get out of Afghanistan to please his pathetic base. If it means losing a war and throwing away tons of American blood and treasure, so be it. Hey, there’s an election to be won, right Mr. President? So these disgusting, medieval, barbarians can kill our troops, demand apologies from us, and start riots against us, and our own president will not say a word about it. In fact, he’ll grovel before the world to try and get out of this situation. Now I know how low a president can go to try and get re-elected. I just hope the families of these dead soldiers at least get a letter from this jerk saying that they died for something. But, right now and with this president, I don’t really know what they died for anymore.
Always remember though, at least when Carter was president the Iranians still feared America enough NOT to kill our hostages. They wanted to humiliate us, but didn’t want to chance killing hostages. Can you say the same thing now about ANY American hostages or troops in ANY Muslim country? I don’t think so, and that’s what makes me really scared.
“Does this mean that the president has issued Muslims a pass on barbaric violence? Does it mean that he sees a moral equivalence between burning holy Islamic writ and killing infidels?”
Yes. And yes.
At least he didn’t hit his head on the floor!
I am so sick of this sucker in the oval office – what exactly did it get us? More hatred and more killing of our troops.
But he said everyone would love us.
We should kiss the idiots goodbye and tell them we’ll help when they move into the 21st century.
Have no doubt, Obama believes Americans are GUILTY by virtue of their success which he truly believes was stolen from others.
“When Jimmy Carter was president, I dreaded the morning news, which invariably brought some new embarrassment, whether it was the president boasting that America had “lost its inordinate fear of Communism,” or whispering to the Polish dictator that Carter had not lost hope of bringing the tyrant back to Christianity, or slashing our military strength, or apologizing to the Khomeini regime in Iran for presumed past American sins.
The dread is back. Worse than before.”
Well, Mr. Leeden, I can say with certainty that you and I have had the same feeling.
Ever day for me is a new exercise in hair-pulling, exasperated “Can you freakin’ believe it?!” moments and “WTF IS THIS MORON DOING?”
I cannot fathom the level of incompetence that wafts from this administration. It just continues to amaze me how low they can go. the only good thing of it is that they are very clearly illustrating the depravity and hatred of America that the far left has. Unless they’ve done far worse damage with the children and the indoctrination is worse than I thought, there’s an excellent chance they’ll never get a shot at the big times again in my lifetime.
But they lie cheat and steal. Election fraud and vote buying is rampant. Sigh.
Systemic rot.
When will the Hitlers in Headscarves apologize for burning churches (with people in them) in Nigeria, Egypt, Iraq, Malaysia, etc.? When will they apologize for blowing up Sbarro’s Pizzeria in Israel or blowing up school kids in Israel? When will they apologize for 9/11? On and on and on and on. The hideous blood cult of the moon god (small “g”) marches on in all its gory barbarism. Obama is a dumba** unprincipled bush leaguer. God help us to elect a real leader in November. This farce will kill us all.
Both Ledeen and McCarthy at NRO… absolutely spot on.
Never have I also… been so ashamed of an American president.
And like so many others, I also wonder…
…will Obama finally and factually be vetted this fall?
…will the super-PACs finally and factually educate the electorate?
“We spend years trying to win the support of the Afghan people”
We don’t even send people who can speak their language.
“This reporter served with the U.S. State Department for a short period of time in 2008. It was obvious at the time that the diplomatic bureaucracy (in general) considered the war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan to be almost a nuisance. The Department had to send a certain number of bodies to each country so they used a special provision in the law (called Section 3161) to hire temporary diplomats to fill many of those slots. The 3161 employees were given almost no cultural or religious training for the countries they were entering and no language training. They were and continue to be deployed into the war zones just so that the State Department can fill its quota and present the appearance of cooperation with the military effort.”
http://kabulpress.org/my/spip.php?article99927
good point. contrast that with the military: special forces are very well trained in local culture and language, as are the Marines. Army less so, but most Army officers have at least some training in local culture…
and yet the snobs in the Foreign Service (and CIA as well) have long looked down their noses at the military, whose shoes the dips should be shining.
DOS, like all places has a mix of good and bad, including careerists and wasters of oxygen.
But IMHO, many of the DoS deployed out to the Key Terrain Districts in Afghanistan are the most on the ball USG folks there, civilian or military. They are there for the long term, have great local contacts and their political reporting is more in-depth and accurate than anyone else. They also are exposed to significant risk, w/o weapons or the higher quality armor the troops have.
They are fine public servants and I am grateful to them.
by and large, their reporting as found on Wikileaks was excellent.
There are no other words to describe Obama but pretentious, loathsome and self-absorbed. Obama’s clear religion is this: political expediency. And I’m not entirely sure this charlatan isn’t completely bereft of conscience.
I was labeled a crazed loon shortly after 9/11 when I said Afghanistan wasn’t worth one drop of American blood. Not one. The last ten years have only reinforced that belief.
We should have vaporized Tora Bora without warning or constraint with a warning we’d be back for any instance of retaliation with even worse, and no offer of help but the advice to clean up your backyard, or we will take out your front yard as well.
My days of sympathy for their women being brutalized have long ago departed.
While Obama apologizing for the burning of Korans is disgusting, this incident shows the fundamental weakness of our occupation of Afghanistan. If the burning of a few books can do this much damage to our overall strategy, its time we reconsider being in Afghanistan at all. Let’s stop wasting American blood and treasure in a country which clearly hates us and doesn’t want us there. We will never “win the hearts and minds”, there is no clear path to victory, so let’s just leave the puppet Karzai and his band of criminals to their own devices. If there are threats to our interests in the future, let’s deal with them on a targeted basis.
this is not the place for a discussion of the strategy or tactics of the Afghanistan war, but to anticipate a future blog, here are two points: first, remember Lyndon Johnson’s famous “when you’ve got them by the balls, the hearts and minds generally follow.” second, after we’ve left Afghanistan, our jihadist enemies are not going to stoip. they will step up recruitment and come after us elsewhere. like here…again and again.
Michael…
It wasn’t LBJ’s advice that wrong, but the fact it was word without consequence. I don’t disagree that there will be retaliation, but if there is anything I have learned about the Islamic world that actually makes sense, it is this:
These foes respect one thing and one thing only: those with power and a willingness to use it.
IMO, a better analogy than LBJ would be Harry Truman.
… … they’ll “come after us elsewhere…again and again”
Precisely.
And they are openly milking this “scandal” in order to speed us on our way out of the country. They sense, probably rightly, that Obama will be more than willing to oblige.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply Michael. I happen to think that it is appropriate for us to reconsider our strategy, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. My concern is that like LBJ’s miscalculation, we don’t “have ‘em by the balls” and are unlikely to have them so in any foreseeable future. And we need to decide whether our best strategy against the jihadists is a full-scale military occupation or some other, more effective (and cost effective) strategy which doesn’t involve our current expenditure.
good point, we cannot disengage.
What should be our strategy then?
Whatever it is a good place to start would be Iran.
The newest dance craze-The Obama Grovel.
This is a MUST READ:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/why_is_obama_in_bed_with_the_muslim_brotherhood.html
What are the chances the Arab Muslim Brotherhood gave big $$$ to get Barry into the White House? Didn’t he have a billion dollar war chest back in 2008?
Who else would Soros have gone to in order to get the kind of money that was used to first manipulate oil prices in order to benefit Comrade Obama and then to attack the US Treasury and our credit markets? Soros is rich, his US Lefty billionaire buddies are rich, but they’re not that rich; the only place to get that kind of money and put it in play so that the source isn’t glaringly obvious is the Middle East – they move a lot of money and hide the moves very well.
It is really easy to connect the dots from the National discontent over extortionary gas prices to the run on the Treasury and the September “crisis” just as McCain was overtaking The One, to McCain ceasing his campaign and essentially conceding the Presidency to BHO, probably encouraged by some bad news about some hangover from the Keating 5 or his rich wife’s dealings, followed by the collapse of the US economy and the looting of a quarter to a third of the American People’s accrued wealth by somebody; money doesn’t just disappear. Between ’08 and ’10, I lost three quarters of the ’07 value of my boat and 20% of the value of my house and I live in one of the healthier parts of the Country.
Since Comrade Obama was installed by the Soros Junta, the US has so crippled itself with debt that it can’t act as a sovereign; Taiwan goes back to Red China after the election and if we lift a finger, our economy collapses. We’ve so crippled our energy production that the people who hate us can cripple our economy at will by lowering production or embargoing exports to the US; there’s a reason Hugo and the Iranians have been so chummy – his oil is their ace in the hole should we get frisky towards them over their threats to Israel. I really don’t believe that even the Democrats/communists in the Administration are incompetent enough to do what they’ve done in the Middle East out of idealism or incompetence; this was a plan! We’ve handed to old British Persia and one Helluva lot of oil to Iran by walking out of Iraq and Afghanistan and along the way reinstituted the old northern frontier threat to India from the days of the Great Game and along the way contributed mightily to the radicalization and destablization of nuclear-armed Pakistan. Think the Pakis and the Iranians won’t quickly find a way to ally? The Caliphate or the furtherest reaches of the Ottomans has been reestablished in North Africa, and Spain is broke, we and the rest of Europe are useless, so Cordoba wouldn’t be hard to restore. We went in and propped up Muslims in the Balkans rather than letting the Yugoslavs et al. exterminate them, as should have been done a long time ago. And after the election, there is nothing to stop a restored, radicalized Caliphate to run up its flag and make itself whole by exterminating the Zionist entity. You think the WOGS got their money’s worth with Comrade Obama?
I think it’s important to understand our president clearly and fully … to know what we are dealing with.
He thinks: “We burned your book … it’s ok to kill us. We did wrong.” That’s the message he is sending.
Even though his “academic manner” is superior, he is subservient … the victim before the victimizer. He agrees to let the other side set the rules …
Debka says “The Saudis therefore sees this plan as actually protecting Assad’s regime”.
I say I am the top intelligence analyst in the world today.
I say, and have been saying here, the US executive branch policy is to keep the dictators in Iran, that parade as religious, in power at all cost; or at least until a reliable relacement of worldwide terror can be developed: Egypt?
The absurd comments and reactions and outright lies of the administration are part of the evidence.
Takes a big man to apologize and admit he was wrong.
Oblam feels compelled to apologize to the people of Afghanistan yet not to the American public ?
Suing Indiana because their now a Right to Work State
Suing South Carolina and the NLRB blocking Boeing move
Suing Arizona for enforcing the law
Being sued over Socialized medicine
Being sued over forcing birth control on religious entities
Nationalizing GM
Nationilizing Student Loan
APOLOGIZING FOR THESE ACTIONS WOULD BE A START
Tex Taylor
I recall tapping into an old contact in foggy bottoms…..advising the insanity of invading Iraq.
I recommended nuking Baghdad without warning….predicted official condemnation but private approval from the usual suspects. And many, many, extremely, carefully worded notes of protest from every nation state in the ME.
In addition to the painstaking care of drafting those notes…..there would be NO popular demonstrations lasting any longer than the respective militaries took to disperse them.
When ya got’em by the shorts…their hearts and minds follow.
why cant we use the koran as a kind of “bug zapping” device?
toss a burning koran on some intersection and when the vermin come out to huff and puff and shoot ak’s in the air drop a nicely sized explosive on top of them; rinse and repeat
as far as obama’s reaction — why is this a surprise to anyone?
dazy pls reread the rules for comments, and don’t propose this sort of thing. we have plenty to discuss without it…
I think its time that Americans begin to ask whether their President is willingly and deliberately bringing their country down.
We’ve got Libertyship46 in this thread saying that Obama is Jimmy Carter for wanting to leave Afghanistan as quickly as possible and most of the rest of the thread saying that he’s Jimmy Carter for not having left yet!
The only constant is the endless bellyaching and blaming. Does conservatism mean thinking or does it mean crying like babies whenever something happens?
No one says that Afghanistan is a success, I bet that once Obama is free to talk without campaigning he’ll admit as much.
Stop forgetting that we’re all Americans. You know I voted for GW too, because I thought Kerry would abandon Iraq.
That Obama hasn’t won Afghanistan doesn’t bother me, because once it became clear that Karsai was a weak, corrupt, America-hating failure, then the only purpose of staying was to worry about how the horrible situation was gonna affect Pakistan, you know, our weak, failed-state, Islamist enemy with nukes.
We pray that some sort of stability that doesn’t favor our worst enemies takes hold. And we don’t expect it to be good at all.
In the immortal words of the Obama Adminisstration re the jihadist murders at Ft. Hood. the Afghanistan murders of american soldiers are merely work place violence.
why would anyone be surprised at all this spineless stuff coming out of mr. transparency? we all know barry worked his way through college on his knee$. no, you say? prove me wrong. oh, wait, you can’t.
when in the miltary (way back) i always heard you never get apologetic with folks from that area of the world. they just see it as a weakness. playing soccer against them and having an Arab roommate in college taught me a lot about them. i really liked their little cups of strong coffee and most of their food though.
so, put me down as being with John Wayne on this one.
what a time in history for us to be having our biggest experiment in weak and corrupt government. we appear to be setting ourselves up for a really big hit. just mho.
What’s everyone so upset about. The murder of American soldiers is mere work place violence-just like Ft Hood.
Who will appologize for the execution of the Christian pastor in Iran?
Will Obama appologize to Iran for the presence of a Christian in their country?
The Korans that were burned in Afghan. were produced by a printing press, not Allah. However, the pastor is the living word of G-d.
Shall Christians begin similar actions of protests ( killing people, war, destruction of religious symbols, etc. )as Muslims do? I think not.
Will Obama appologize to all Christians for his actions against them? I think not.
Thank you to all that voted for the sheep in wolves clothing. Welcome to our new reality.
deep in his heart, obama is not just tolerant or understanding of those murders of americans, he’s glad of them.
yes, he’s glad of them, just as he was glad about those murders in ft. hood.
and just because you don’t like to think this is so, mr. ledeen, is no good reason for you not to post my saying it.
Stop apologizing and LEAVE. Also, don’t make this same mistake in Iran.
Leave the Middle East.
THey can have their part of the world and we (the west) can have ours.
The problems are: once we leave all muslim-held lands, they’ll be freed up from defending them to come our way and continue havoc here. And, bet on it that they’ll come our way for it. Worse, “our” land is already full of them.
As extreme as it sounds, I would not be unhappy to provide moving expenses for those who wish to go back to their homelands if they’re first generation. As for the others, they can convert to a Judeo-Christian denomination and swear an oath of allegiance to the western nation of their choice if they wish to stay here. Islam is simply incompatible with the West. It really is as extreme as this, so far as I am concerned. We didn’t accommodate Nazism here and we really cannot afford to tolerate communism or islam, either.
And yet, the Masters of the Christianity HERE in Poland are STILL avowedly promoting anti-Semitism…the Polish church was the major force promoting hatred toward Jews during and before the WWII…
Carter, Obama, Brzezinski, Chomsky and others of this sort who have brought the Great USA on its knees. The bowing and apologizing to the enemy means weakness and surrender, especially if came by the leader of the world’s lone superpower on the earth. The good deal with the enemy and with the Animals of Anti-Semites is “the Pre-emptive wars and Nuke.” If they have the power, certainly they will gladly eat you!!!
It’s just Obama once again telling us where his heart lies. Apart from the Rev. Wrights church that is.
The author is right, the ‘outrage’ was prepped and planned for in advance.
If you used locals at Bagram AF you had to work around their prayer breaks and that meant bringing them back to one centralized location so that they could all pray together. If you asked them why they prayed so much they would readily tell you that it was because their imams told them that Allah makes the sun rise in the morning, their crops to grow, and keeps their children from dying early. Although if it happens that their crops don’t grow and their children die it’s always “Allah’s will”—they are at least assured that Allah is still on their side when the sun comes up next morning. Despite this, we were respectful of their practices (interestingly, our Balkan Muslim co-workers never joined in their prayer sessions and I never saw them praying).
There’s a place at one end of Bagram field where most of the trash on the base is brought and incinerated. When I was there I passed by these incinerators many times—they’re stand-alone, out in the open. Locals handle the trash that’s put into them and I believe they are the ones that ignite their burners. If these Korans were burned in these units it’s hard for me to believe that any part of them survived.
Someone needs to ask these questions during the World Caliphate conference to be held soon at … but of course … Washington DC.
There is no guarantee another holocaust do not happen for Israel or some kind catastrophe like our past history. Iranian’s regime gets involve with democrat administration and breach and lobby in white house. Israel can’t wait and see another shoa. Iranian regime swears to annihilate our race from planet, they did, they are doing, and they will do. Democrats just want to deal with them; Iranians got this and know there is no any decide to defeat their nuke ambition. After missing six million Jews, Americans and allied powers, save our survivors! Shame on west powers. There is some evidence that before Shoa and during its time, Britain’s and Americans had knew that holocaust is undergoes and did nothing for rescue our nation or even announce it to all medias on that days. It seems this ridicules history replay is in progress one more time!
Western powers just searching for their revenues and never do any actual action for Israel.
This endless sadistic road to hell canyon never reorganize to heaven.
Just Israel army and our fighter pilots can kick to the Iranian regime mouth and blow their head.
And this action will be strategic.
Tehran will be our high priority to destroy this devilish ambition. Tehran is the head of viper, this viper wants to have atomic stings, but our air force will lead these stings to their head seriously and without any hesitate. We advice to that nigger (Hussein Obama) bow for Iranian mullah’s on more time!
So, when Afghans kill foreign invaders, that is “murder,” but when we kill thousands of Afghani civilians, that’s “collateral damage.” I see.
Are we such ignorant fool’s to put up with this dictator in chief any longer ??
Unfortunately, yes, yes we are.
“Someone needs to ask these questions during the World Caliphate conference to be held soon at … but of course … Washington DC.”
Surely you knew they would hold the conference somewhere they would be safe.
Not somewhere where there would be Muslims trying to kill them.
Hey, I’ve got an idea! Why don’t we just get a brain and a clue and get out of Afcrapistan.
And this grovelling to mulims didn’t start under Obama, nor in Afcrapistan.
This was Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Hammond in Iraq under Bush, “I come before you here seeking your forgiveness. In the most humble manner I look in your eyes today and I say please forgive me and my soldiers.” Another military officer kissed a Koran (or as Imam David Petraeus calls it “The Holy Qur’an”) and gave it as “a humble gift” to tribal leaders. Under both Bush’s generals and Obama’s generals our own military has become an utter disgrace and extreme national embarrassment. Our own hundreds of billions of dollars a year military is more an enemy than a friend. To deny this is to be irrational and only further facilitate their serial treachery.
Yes, the disproportion is frustrating. Apparently it’s not exceptional for a president to get a Nobel Peace prize before doing any peace making, so apparently it’s unexceptional when Americans get killed for doing what Muslims do to their Korans regularly, and without any apologies from the president for the honor killings. I always thought Carter was out of his fricking mind, but at least he knew how to grow peanuts and so had some tenuous connection to reality. I expect Obama to shortly apologize for Muslims raping infidel girls for dressing up like hoes–oh, but that means he would have to recognize that Muslim males are authorized by the religion of peace to kill girls for dishonoring the family. Perhaps Obama’s sense of reality would be more grounded if he had done a stint picking cotton or harvesting sugar cane in Cuba during semester break or joining the Peace Corp? You would think after forty years we would have had a Peace Corp graduate in the White House by now?
All the budding politicians I knew that were in the Peace Corps., were there to drink and get laid. The PC was a stepping stone.
When someone says they are going to kill you, a sane person believes them—and, does what is necessary to protect himself.
Islam says it wants to convert or kill EVERY human who doesn’t belong to its “religion”.
Ergo—?
The sci-fi movie, “Zardoz”, from the 70’s, starring a manly Sean Connery, provides a scary scenario that closely resembles what’s currently going on. The advanced scientific civilization has solved death—it’s not possible—and built a seemingly impermeable invisible bubble-like barrier to keep out the barbarians, who are led by Connery’s character. Great flick, IMHO.
Here’s a radical thought—radical, in that it goes to the ROOT of the problem: follow the “good company” rule.
Do you hang out with jerks? Me, once I’m “done wrong” by someone, they enter my “death zone”, which means in the future, if possible, I NEVER see, hear, or in any other way sense them.
There’s behavior mod, spare the rod, for unruly children, so since Islam is animated by DEADLY unruly “children”, to wit physically mature humans, who never grew up to become civilized—banish them to the CLOSET!
As the world continues to turn, though, and most civilized humans don’t realize, in their bones, what Islam is, who can tell what the future will bring. Somehow or the other, the civilized humans will either be too stupid to stop their head-in-the-sand attitudes and eventually the Islam religion’s leaders will have gained too much power to stop them, or not.
Ah, the world would be so much more peaceful if EVERYONE was a Muslim!
“Respect” for Islam (and, apparently, its morons) is one of those fixed planks in Obama’s so called thought system. So it’s trotted out, lockstep.
I need to apologize for that
We need a naional burn the koran day. Of course this note won’t see daylight.
I say we reprint some korans with new and improved info.
What we should do ,is announce a special Koran burning, with time and location. Then drop a daisy cutter in the midst of whoever shows up. Announce that that was revenge for the Americans who were killed.
Let everyone in Afghanistan know that if it happens again, we will find out which tribe the killers are from, and will kill as many of that tribe that we can find. Then announce another Koran burning a week later. See who shows up! Make it a weekly thing till they get the message
Anybody else would have impeached by now for this anti-American conduct!! What is Congress doing – sleeping at the wheel as usual!!
And just how, genius, is one to get a conviction of a Democrat through a Democrat-controlled Senate? We essentially destroyed the ’94 Revolution with the stupid Clinton impeachment when there were NEVER the votes in the Senate to convict.
Sir, you state that Obama delegated the task of expressing outrage for American deaths, but I think you give Obama too much credit.
It could be that certain patriots are tired of our sorry president’s apology obsession and they expressed rightful outrage without direction from the higher ups, thereby challenging Obama to try squelching them. To those people, Obama not expressing rightful outrage is itself another outrage.
The average person is definitely sick and tired of the literally endless apologies. I think it is highly likely that many of those serving under Obama (who are privy to more than is commonly reported) have to be at least as sick and tired as the average person (who only sees pieces of the big picture.)
I for one know that the more I learn the sicker I get. Just imagine how sick to their stomachs those who work for Obama with the full picture must be feeling.
If he’s so busy apologizing for a religious faux pax, why not throw one at the Catholic Church for his attempt to deceive them regarding payment for birth control.
Why, because Obama hates infadel Christians.
With all of the complaining about reasonable facts about the military, like the fact that it’s safer for our men if we avoid saying thing that help our enemies recruit mobs, or that we shouldn’t be publicizing our soldiers peeing on people, I’m starting to get a new image of the commenters as a bunch of ill-tempered toddlers who scream and cry whenever something happens.
I am sure that actual soldiers would prefer not to face death for stupid reasons like politicians screaming the insults you babies would prefer or immature marines making propaganda for the enemy and posting all over youtube like it was a trophy.
Grow up!
One thing is certain: the least mature Marine is more mature than an idiot lefty like you.
Dr. Carroll Quigley, in the course of his examination of the failure of Latin American / South American nations-states, delivered an astonishing analysis of what he believed to be the root cause of these failures in the first edition (1966) of his renowned Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time. Here, in almost an aside, he defines what he calls the “Pakistani-Peruvian axis” – a combination of Asian despotism and Arabic outlook (key word, that – outlook), both of which have their roots in Bronze Age antiquity, that pervade what Quigley calls the shattered cultures that dwell on its axis from Pakistan to the mountains of South America. This analysis makes an appalling sense out the cultural train-wrecks that persist to this day from the Arabic East, through the southern Mediterranean and Spain to South America – and where the same attitudes and outlook can be found in corporate boardrooms in Paris, London and New York.
Quigley was a brilliant historian. His application of scientific method and anthropological science to history remains unparalleled today. Most historians relate facts and events. Quigley looked for the underlying patterns, the drivers of human behavior and culture.This, of course was quite at odds with modern prevailing historical wisdom, most of which is infected with the Marxist outlook – the denial of culture or individual conscience in the role of human affairs.
If his analysis is correct – and I believe that it is – it provides the perfect framework for the triumph of the greatest evil of modernity – the will to power as the dominating and driving force of those who would exterminate most of the worlds population and rule the remainder of humanity like cattle.
I fear for our civilization. Read on to find out why a Quigley defines…
I understand that the horrible attitude toward women is still in effect, and honor killings are still common in Jordan.
One point you left out is that the worth of a woman (and her virginity) is measured in lots of cold hard cash.
In Afghanistan the cost of a wife is about 2 to 3 years salary for the average man, and the only way a normal man can afford a wife is that his family buys one for him, paid for by selling their own daughters.
Now you understand why you have to kill girls who don’t have a spotless reputation, because not only are they not worth any money, but they make their sisters and cousins not worth anything either.
If you can’t sell your girls then the men can’t get wives. You can imagine the rage this causes…
You can also see why they kill girls based on rumor, innuendo and reputation not actual guilt. It matters not at all if a girl is really innocent, what matters is that she’s bad for sales, I mean “honor”.
I don’t know if it’s about money EVERYWHERE in the Arab world, but you can clearly see that’s where this non-morality comes from. It’s from the MONETARY value of selling your flesh and blood and nothing else!
Its’ not just Jordan. Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but so-called “honor killings” are pervasive in virtually every Muslim enclave that has been established within the boundaries of Western civilization. For the most part, our politically correct aversion to calling things by their proper names under-reports these incidents when it isn’t making excuses for them. Multi-culturalists should be so proud…
Take another pass through Quigley’s definition of the “Pakistani – Peruvian axis”.
You’re wasteing electrons trying to get Josh Useful Idiot to actually learn anything from that. If he reads it at all he’ll come back with something about how colonialism or capitalism made them that way.
Actually what I would say is that I’ve been having this discussion with a very good middle east reporter (Michael Totten) who mentioned that Jordan is the worst place for honor killings (which I already knew) but that Lebanon isn’t so bad.
Your claim that it’s exactly the same everywhere is based on what?
Thinking Totten’s a reporter in the first place let alone a good one is its own explanation of your trouble sourcing knowledge.
Evidently, Quigley’s work has gone right over our “Scholar’s” head. To be expected, I suppose.
The Afghan MOD did apologize (http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/212573-afghan-defense-minister-apologizes-for-killing-of-us-officers).
Karzai has not apologized, but then he is arguably the biggest sleaze in ‘stan, so I’m not surprised. Also, in many ways he is our creation.
In terms of “weasely” gestures, it’s hard to top announcing a “Surge”, giving the generals significantly less troops than requested so they were unable to conduct simultaneous offenses in the South and East in 2011, beginning the w/draw of Surge troops in the middle of the fighting season of 2011, and then announcing that the w/draw from combat operations will begin a year early. Many Afghans may be illiterate, but they are not stupid. They can see how we left the SOI, our local allies in Iraq, to the tender mercies of the pro-Iran Shia militias and their allies in the Iraqi Police, so they are beginning to get the message that we will also run out on them. I think, beyond agitation and religious extremism, that is the explanation for the extent of the current violence.
Final point, did anyone see the front-page photo in Friday’s WSJ of an Afghan Police officer in riot gear who retrieved a US flag from a protester, one assumes at some risk to life and limb (http://blogs.wsj.com/photojournal/2012/02/23/photos-of-the-day-feb-23-2/?mod=google_news_blog)? We shouldn’t forget that the Afghans are capable of brave and noble gestures.
Apologize for America Tour now playing Afghanistan.
President Obama is not a secret muslim, he is just weak and weak people revert to appeasement, bowing and voting present on important issues. It is simply a reflection on who they are.
Puppets have there strings pulled by circumstances and those who stand for nothing become controlled by everything.
Minions cannot command respect only derision, contempt and hostility. That is why the United States is failing in the Middle East and elsewhere.
The Obama presidency brings shame and disgrace to the office and to the American people as a whole.
ABO 2012…
How many Korans were accidentally burned during administration-approved Predator strikes???
Just sickening. There’s just so little to say or add, but I feel a desperate need to register my disgust.
Finally we are seeing ore and more people calling out Islam for what it is: a disgusting soul-crushing system of barbarism that has NO place in a world that is even moderately civilized.
The enemy in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq or any other Muslim country is not “Terrorism” any more than the enemy,after the attack on Pearl Harbor, was “Surprise Attacks” or the enemy in Europe was “Blitzkrieg”. In each of these instances the enemy was, and is, an easily defined group of people Japan, Germany, and now, believers in Islam, desiring to advance an ideology of world domination. The enemy is NOT a tactic used to achieve that goal, which is what “terrorism”,”surprise attacks”, and “blitzkrieg” are. I don’t ever remember hearing of FDR demanding American troops apologize to the Germans for burning a copy of Mein Kampf.
THE ENEMY IS ISLAM, REPEAT, THE ENEMY IS ISLAM. Not radical Islam, not Islamists, but ISLAM. Until this grotesquely obvious fact is acknowledged by Western governments there is NO chance of winning this conflict between civilization and the absence of civilization. NONE.
So what should we do? The West has the military power to destroy Islam once and for all, if we had the goal of simply destroying Islam and liberating the billion plus people suffering under “The Religion of Peace”. But that is Politically Incorrect and thus not possible at this time.
What then? We should stay out of all wars we don’t intend to win and win convincingly and unconditionally. We should start by becoming energy independent with the use of our own coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear resources. (Wind and solar energy on a large scale are pipe dreams). We could ban any ideology, religious or secular whose founding documents call for death to all who have a different belief. But most of all we could and should the proudly, unashamedly do whatever it takes to advance the values that made Western Civilization superior to all others, even if, maybe especially if, it means burning as many Korans, or any other book as one wants to burn – raging throngs of protesting lunatics be damned, or shot, whichever is more convenient.
One thing that does still work in our favor is that those who stand against us take Obama, and how much he represents the true America, about as seriously as we do. Somewhere on the low side of not at all.
He probably wants another peace prize and is gonna keep on apologizing until he gets it. When he has finished destroying our Republic, he will be welcomed back home by those who sent him to do just that. Even though he’s a disaster, he’s no accident. Save the USA: Vote Against Obama
This sickening apology, I believe, is the single most unpardonable Presidential act in the history of our country. He should be shipped out of the White House kit and caboodle by tomorrow morning. Impeached on the spot. He has the instincts of a traitor. The ethics of a used car dealer. The honesty of a horse thief. The knee jerk reactions of a bully. The courage of a coward. He’s the modern day cancer on the Presidency.
Korans get thrown away; used as toilet paper and fire fodder all the time by the followers of Islam, but that escapes the attention of the media. We throw away 4 Korans and the entire world ignites and the POTUS falls prosrate in front of Allah!! Holy Moly!!!! This is simply the continued demonization of the U.S.A. as the “great satan” – Welcome to Sharia.
The condemnations routinely pronounced by the world’s official officials are dirt cheap and inconsequential, anyway. They’re not like the town’s condemnations of buildings, which result in the building being knocked down. It’s just something one says when more pomp is called for than “I don’t like that”.
Which makes it all the more notable that Barack Obama wouldn’t trouble himself to say something that costs nothing to say. Unless, of course, he though it would reduce his credit balance with those who support the killing of American soldiers.
I guess Obama still has not figured out that these people do not care what he says. They would have murdered people whether he apologized or not. As such, it would have been better had he just kept his mouth shut.
Here is the Islamists response to Mr Obamist apologies…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/suicide-attack-outside-nato-base-kills-9-afghans-in-fresh-reprisal-tokoran-burnings/2012/02/27/gIQAdAuLdR_story.html
I hope that the copies of the Koran will be burnt every day, in order to they blow up THEMSELVES so that the world will be happier and safer without them.
Dear Dr. Ledeen,
THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.
~ The Infidel Alliance
Again you have missed the point. Our culture, demands that we have to a least appear to have exhausted all options before sterner measures are in order. The Roman Republic held to the same standards: war when it comes is totally unavoidable and the enemy’s fault “Delenda Cartago est.”.
We are showing that Islam, is totally beyond our ability to make peace at least with any terms we accept.
We want to show that Muslims are just a bunch of punks, Charles Mansons all. You call their bluff and they fold. Otherwise they will just keep pushing.
Michael,
It typically takes weeks of
work to orchestrate a spontaneous mob of Afghan demonstrators.
They’re positively Stoic compared
to Pakistanis or Egyptians.
The facade of spontaneity is there
for the same reason acts of terror will remain anonymous,
or be pinned on some other guy.
It lets some clever but weak coward project a little power,
without having to pay the butcher’s bill at the end.
The Soviet’s were good at this sick game, back in the day.
But even they got nothing on some of our regional enemies.
Remember the last time there was a spontaneous riot over a Koran?
Back in April of last year? arising mere seconds
after Terry Jones’ match hit that Koran …
or more accurately, a couple weeks after Terry Jones
did NOT burn a Koran.
To get those riots off the ground,
those responsible needed a full week of all-out
Iranian mass-media agitation;
followed by a well-played cameo by the unspeakable Karzai,
time to coincide precisely with a Hezbollah expression of outraged solidarity.
First protests were small, and staged.
The participants were all members of the
Shiite group headed by Mohseni
(an aging Khomeinist dirtbag).
Mohseni’s main competition,
the cretinous thug Zadran
then jumped in with his guys.
Typical for the breed. His brain’s in
Pakistan, but his bank’s in Riyadh.
Pakistanis probably handed out baskets of
Saudi dollars when the job was done.
At any rate, only after Mohseni and his guys
had offered their sacrifices at the UN compound,
were there spontaneous and violent riots, and even then
Zadran was still sending his guys out to work the crowds.
Murder charges should have been brought against
the responsible parties in Iran,
and against Karzai, Hezb, Mohseni, and Zadran,
and perhaps our dear allies in Pakistan.
(Saudis are, of course, off limits.)
Instead, what did we do?
For weeks the legacy media
pondered the differences between the alien
life forms of Afghanistan and the rest of humanity,
and marveled at how they regard the immaterial world
as more real than the corpses littering Mazar-e Sharif.
And then the weeping began:
We tried. We really did. COIN just
doesn’t work on aliens.
Which is to say, we got played for fools, yet again.
I’d have thought the so-called cartoon crisis would
have opened eyes to the insidious nature of the enemy.
Klausen’s Yale UP The Cartoons That Shook
the World is utterly horrifying. It should be required reading for US military
and law enforcement.
The whole thing was staged, and management decisions came from the very top,
from Saudis and their personal UN aka the OIC.
Of course, I may well be wrong.
One never knows….
OWS might also be spontaneous.
It is alarming to see that the Organization of Islamic Cooperation is continuing to seek to prevent the defamation of Islam, but it is even more alarming and frightening to see the Obama administration facilitating and even promoting it.
The Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is supporting it and the UN has passed a resolution 16/18 for it.
A quote from the American Thinker article:
” Incitement is to be defined by applying the “test of consequences” to speech. Under this twisted perversion of falsely “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” it doesn’t matter what someone actually says — or even whether it is true or not; if someone else commits violence and says it’s because of something that person said, the speaker will be held criminally liable.”
I must be having a nightmare. Is this really happening? Is Clinton out of her mind?
After the sick unraveling of events in Afghanistan it would not be hard to imagine which religious denomination would most often be the one raging that it has been insulted. It would be a license to switch off all semblance of common sense in the public sphere, intimidation of the worst kind.
–
Islamic World Tells Clinton: Defamation of Islam Must be Prevented — in America
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/islamic_world_tells_clinton_defamation_of_islam_must_be_prevented_in_america.html
‘The Istanbul Process’: Hillary Clinton Hosts Summit On Religious Intolerance
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/15/istanbul-process-clinton_n_1152508.html
Who can now doubt the truth of the Muslims’ hysterical and violent attachment to their religion? It is time – long since time, but better late than never – that our government wakes up and withdraws from Afghanistan completely. End any and all financial support for the present regime and never start any support for any future regime. Let them rot in the ‘glory’ that is their culture. And we ought to do the same for every other Muslim-governed nation to which we presently pay ‘Danegeld’. Every future attack on the U.S. ought to be met by military force as soon as we have determined the group and their location, in the form of tactical nuclear weapons. No consultations with our dubious ‘allies’ anywhere, no attempts at negotiations, no pretence of ‘profound’ remarks from our State Department or White House. Respond with the only thing which is plainly understood in the Muslim world: overwhelming force in response to attacks on the U.S. or upon Americans by Muslims anywhere in the world. “Oh, no, we won’t get any oil!!” We don’t need oil from those nations. Drill and develop American resources, build new refineries – last one was built about 30 years ago – build pipelines, give assistance to nations like Canada, which have demonstrated that they are indeed our allies and be damned to the rest.
When will the agony of perpetual ineptitude coupled with self aggrandizing glory end? Will it be 2012 or will this intellectual idiot be put back on his throne and leave a minority of us embarrassed to admit we’re Americans?
Tell me again about this religion of peace that we are being brain washed to believe.
That is PC liberal, “lame’ stream media poo.
And for all gays, try having your life style in a country that is ruled by Muslims, and see how that goes for you, and come back and tell me that it is a religion of peace and understanding and compassion. my butt
Michael,
Those of us that love our country, as you obviously do,
see through this community organizer imposter and will
use our unified love of country to sweep him from office.
We dispensed of Jimmy Carter and trounced the (Evil Empire)
Soviet Union. This nit-wit will not be rewarded, as we did with
Jimmy Carter, a second term to further harm and embarrass
our beloved country.
Sean
Reading blogs can indeed frustrate anyone who finds that ‘suffering fools’ is oh so painful!
From what I read here there is widespread agreement that our country is being destroyed by a president who is confused by his inability to really accomplish much of anything – oh he is good at the flimflam and at bull shiting he is king – the man lies with ease and his delivery of bogus prompted material is very good.
So we have a colored communist president – a not so bright husband and father who is dead set ready to make most of us comrades – ‘comrades’ who of course will be treated fairly.
(Many will not be treated fairly but those folks will just disappear.)
What about the family pressures being created by this hypothetical genius – I suppose the pressure really falls on his daughters – imagine their mental gears churning to come up with an answer to -“What does your father do?”
I see a polite curtsy and then the retort – “He fucks countries!”
Wait one second – I’m getting confused with George Soros – but he’s not colored is he?
I accept your version of the facts.
I do not agree with your analysis that followed: strong “words”…”denunciation”.
At what point does one conclude that one is not on our side? How many facts does it take before one wonders? And, in my view, “words” are meaningless in such matters, only actions matter.
PA Muslim Judge Mark Martin Dismisses Assault Charges Against Muslim Using Sharia
http://republicaninthearts.blogspot.com/2012/02/pa-muslim-judge-mark-martin-dismisses.html
American soldiers burned Korans (or possibly not) and the Muslims killed two unconnected Americans and 35 at-last-count unconnected Muslim Afghanis.
How do the apologists explain that?