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Give Thanks for Money and All It Represents

Borrow my argument against a brother-in-law for use at your Thanksgiving dinner.

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Walter Hudson

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November 27, 2013 - 5:00 pm
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Is money really the root of all evil? This Thanksgiving, I may argue that point with my brother-in-law. Our sparring began earlier this week on Facebook, discussing an episode of my Fightin Words podcast where I imagined a world without state-imposed hunting and fishing restrictions. In a truly free market, where government acted only to protect individual rights, our access to animals of value would be assured by market forces. After all, we’re in no danger of running out of turkeys for Thanksgiving, and government doesn’t ration those. So why do we need to ration deer and fish?

I attracted criticism from the Left for “coming out against fish and game laws,” though I would prefer to describe it as advocating for individual rights. The criticism was based on the belief that human greed unmitigated by state regulation enables the hunting of species to extinction. It’s happened before, the argument goes, and must be prevented in the future. My brother-in-law summed up the position like this:

Money kills everything.

Boy, oh boy. There may never be a more concise expression of the philosophies I work daily against. Here’s the context:

I think we would soon make everything extinct like we do everything else if not for laws… humans are extremely greedy and wasteful when it comes to hunting. Horrible shots that maim and wound, and they don’t know how to butcher the animals themselves much anymore either.

Pretty obvious to me that we need regulations. Especially in the ocean…money kills everything.

It’s one of those comments which lends itself to so many possible responses, picking a place to start proves difficult.

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"Is money really the root of all evil?"

The actual quote from the Bible is, "Love of money is the root of all evil." Another translation might be, "Lust for money...."

That first part is very important. It's the difference between money being the source of evil and human nature being the source. Nothing wrong with money. It is an excellent system for exchange. Sure beats bartering. It enables prosperity. Humans gotta mess it up, though, like they mess up everything.

I think the incomplete quote is purposeful by those who like to pretend that money itself is evil, even while they pursue it themselves, generally through some "public weal" scam. I always find that those advocating such nonsense are always the most greedy, because they do not want to earn their wealth. They just want YOUR wealth.
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FYI, if you really want to have some fun tell your BIL that if money kills everything we must stop giving it to teachers and NPR.
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It's the love of money that is the root of all evil.

It's thinking that it can solve all problems -- which, btw, is a progressive thing i.e. if we only allocate more money to this, this and this all problems will be solve -- that is bad. It is thinking that money can make you happy that is bad.

If we treat money, however, as the communication tool (medium) it is , it is something very useful and beneficial.
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"The value of hunting on a particular tract of land provides incentive for conservation of that land and its game. You don’t see Tyson Foods managing their business in such a way that they run out of chickens. For the same reason, you wouldn’t see deer going extinct if people were free to hunt them."

Not necessarily. The local Hupa Indians have unrestricted subsistence hunting rights on their reservation. They can take doe's as well as bucks. The deer population outside of the rez is far higher, due to game management. Your argument is an intellectual one that avoids dealing with actual reality of unrestricted hunting pressure on game populations.
38 weeks ago
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"Is money really the root of all evil?"

The actual quote from the Bible is, "Love of money is the root of all evil." Another translation might be, "Lust for money...."

That first part is very important. It's the difference between money being the source of evil and human nature being the source. Nothing wrong with money. It is an excellent system for exchange. Sure beats bartering. It enables prosperity. Humans gotta mess it up, though, like they mess up everything.

I think the incomplete quote is purposeful by those who like to pretend that money itself is evil, even while they pursue it themselves, generally through some "public weal" scam. I always find that those advocating such nonsense are always the most greedy, because they do not want to earn their wealth. They just want YOUR wealth.
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Walter,

Another great thought provoking essay. Well done. A few points of difference if I might:

The phrase isn't 'money is the root of all evil.' The phrase actually comes from the New Testament Bible as 'For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.' or equal translations of 1 Timothy 6:10. Note that it says nothing about the amount of money one has, nor that money in itself is evil. Evil comes only when one loves or covets it above G-d, above their neighbor. A minor thief who has nothing is just as likely to commit evil to obtain money as the rich man (think Bernie Maddoff). Who is more evil? A thief who kills his victim to steal his wallet or Maddoff who lost millions and tried to hide the losses through a Ponzi scheme but killed no one?

The fallacy of the progressive argument about money starts with their effort to get the masses to covet the wealth and the prosperity of others by stating the reason your neighbor has more than you is because the neighbor, his ancestors, his culture, his free market rigged rules stole it from you. So who covets money above G-d and works to get others to covet too, progressives or conservatives? Progressives by a mile! Conservatives tell you work hard and you will receive the fruits of your labor. Again to quote the Bible: Thessalonians 4:11-12: 'For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.' or Proverbs 13:4 'The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied.'

Perhaps it's wisdom like this in the Bible that compels progressives to mock religion and most especially Christianity, while pretending to be Christians, but Christians who pick only those parts of Christianity that advance their cause on this earth. like Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. For them, the Bible gives a warning: Ecclesiastes 9:10 'Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.'

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving in true appreciation and love of family, neighbors and G-d!




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"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." Abraham Lincoln

"And, inasmuch as most good things are produced by labour, it follows that all such things of right belong to those whose labour has produced them. But it has so happened in all ages of the world, that some have laboured, and others have, without labour, enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government." Abraham

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With the exception of national governments who create money out of thin air via their central banks; money represents the product of creative labor, and is thus a good and wonderful blessing. The fruit of our labor sustains our life, and is an essential component in our natural pursuit of happiness.

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Liberty Clinger - Does that include productive labour such as sitting in your swivel chair playing Angry Birds on your smartphone while a computer makes money for you by shuffling stocks from one account to another at 100-milisecond intervals?

Money is essentially a marker denoting the right to obtain other people's goods or services in exchange for the goods or services you produce or provide. Money has no intrinsic value at all, except possibly a small amount in the case of coins; paper money is of less actual use than the paper it was printed on, and electronic money has no intrinsic value at all.

One of Western society's many problems is that there are far too many people who obtain the fruit of others' labour while producing nothing of use. And in this case I'm not talking about government bureaucrats or welfare claimants; I'm talking about hedge fund managers, high frequency traders , short sellers and other such parasites.
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Fletcher Christian, You're both right and wrong. Right in that there's inherent weaknesses in a free market system such that there's always someone trying to game or cheat the system. Unless protected by the feds, as some crooks are, the beauty of the system is over time they lose and the market corrects itself. It's when government, whose true market role should be preventing and punishing fraud , moves in to protect bankers, traders, and others who work the system from their own failure at taxpayer expense that we truly get parasites who eventually kill the host.
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Off Topic

HAPPY THANKSGIVING
to all the Authors and the Readers at PJM
38 weeks ago
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Money DOES balance supply and demand ... an important function. But good wildlife regulations actually do just that ... balance supply and demand by putting a monetary value on wildlife. I'd argue that hunting regulations embrace Economy (i.e. "money") more than non-consumptive outdoor activity regulations, like hiking regulations.

Hunters, more than non-consumptive outdoorsmen, understand the monetary value of wildlife ... you chose a poor example to highlight.
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Your proposed solution strikes me as unelectable. Aside form the tragedy of the commons argument regarding public lands, small landholders (e.g., 40 acres of woods in Vermont) are not able, as a practical matter, to patrol their land and protect it against poachers. Tyson Foods is large enough, and has the financial resource and incentive to protect its holdings. The average farmer or guy who has a bit of land he plans to use for a retirement home someday does not.
38 weeks ago
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FYI, if you really want to have some fun tell your BIL that if money kills everything we must stop giving it to teachers and NPR.
38 weeks ago
38 weeks ago Link To Comment
It's the love of money that is the root of all evil.

It's thinking that it can solve all problems -- which, btw, is a progressive thing i.e. if we only allocate more money to this, this and this all problems will be solve -- that is bad. It is thinking that money can make you happy that is bad.

If we treat money, however, as the communication tool (medium) it is , it is something very useful and beneficial.
38 weeks ago
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it's the love of *other people's* money that's the root of all evil.
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