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Must the Sky Cult and Earth Cult Always Make War Against Each Other?

This excerpt from page 8 of Camille Paglia's Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence From Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson reveals the battle between religions that worship Mother Nature and those that transcend her.

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May 15, 2013 - 4:45 pm

 

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How about just dealing with reality, refusing to play pretend and recognizing that there is not a thing mystical about nature, while understanding that existence itself is entirely mystical.

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We have always been at war with Eastasia.
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Ah. Yeah.

What's missing is the realization that the sky/earth forms of paganism are not an earlier form of evolution of religion.

They are, rather, the barbarity that human society degrades into after a society has gotten bored with theism proper, and turns away from the anchoring sanity of theological dogmas.

Other than that, an interesting talk.

Carry on.
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Sexual Personae is a great book, but its main theme is the Apollonian versus Dionysian, which is not quite the same as either sky versus Earth or even male versus female. Actually it's been a while, I think I'll put it on my reread list, thanks.
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Feminist pagan (witch) Ginette Paris wrote a book "The Sacrament of Abortion,” in which she advocates for unrestricted abortion and that the unborn should be sacrificed to the goddess Artemis. (Artemis was the virgin huntress who killed any man who set eyes upon her.) Yes, there is something sinister in the old pagan religions.
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""" Nazism was a Mother Earth Religion """

No it wasn't. Where did you get that? It was definitely a "sky gods" belief system. "Ride of The Valkyries" anyone? Sheesh!
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Blood and soil. Wagnerian opera was pagan. You misinterpret what little history you know.
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My friend, The Norse/Teutonic patriarchal gods were primarily of the "Sky God" variety, and these are what the neo-pagan nazis were reviving and celebrating. Earth gods, based in matriarchy, had largely died out before the end of the Bronze Age. Artemis/Diana and Aphrodite/Venus were remnant holdovers from that first era. Remember, the Nazis referred to Germany as the FATHERland, and not the "motherland." You may be confusing "sky gods" as meaning monotheism, but that is not correct. FWIW? I work with history, and have a very solid grounding in history and mythology.
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Men had to be in charge for civilization to truly advance, simple as that -- by sweeping aside "Mother Earth" cults, the pace could be accellerated. Even a strange person like Paglia kinda gets that. :-)
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Well, Conan got along very well with the sky-worshiping warrior in the movie "Conan the Barbarian." :-)

Seriously though, I don't think Paglia has a very good understanding of Christianity, based upon this excerpt. We Christians worship God the Father, but from the time Jesus walked on the earth, Christianity has been probably the greatest force in history on behalf of the condition of women. I often find what Paglia says to be interesting, but she looks an awful lot like a dilettante here.
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You jump to your "dilletante" conclusion after glancing over ONE page of a rather thick academic book?
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And you, Micha Elyi, overlook my comment "she looks an awful lot like a dilettante here."

I call 'em as I see 'em, and Miss Paglia is very unimpressive in what she says on this page.
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How about just dealing with reality, refusing to play pretend and recognizing that there is not a thing mystical about nature, while understanding that existence itself is entirely mystical.

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As more human societies developed and entered Metal Age, they realized not everything comes from Earth and Fertility but from Sky as well. An interesting reading I could recommend is Eliade's History of Religions and his various books about shamanism. He draws an interesting concept on Deus Otiosus (Fallen-out-of-grace God) and overall society achievements. It is not a conflict between male-female since it is obvious we can't live one without another.
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OK, sci-fi fans, try "The Corridors of Time", by Poul Anderson.

Mother Earth? The religions of the Corn Maiden, wherein the Virgin must be sacrificed so her blood will assure the Fertility of the Earth so She shall bring forth the crops?

Nazism was a Mother Earth Religion. And, yes, Marxism is a Father Sky faith.

Now that Marxism has discovered Gaianism, it has its Mother Earth side, too, and slathers after human blood in the extreme.

All things human are flawed, including religions. Mother Earth demands as much, if not more, blood than Father Sky.

Sorry, Camille.
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