Why the Westboro Baptist Church Focuses The Hatred on Gay People
via I AmAn Ex-Member of the Westboro Baptist Church.
Q: Thank you for doing this! So many questions…
Can you explain a little bit about your family’s specific focus on homosexuality? There seems to be quite a bit of selective quoting of the bible; are the members of WBC aware of their apparent hypocrisy, or are there some alternate interpretations of the additional passages that they operate under?
If predetermination is a core belief, why is the church so concerned with the actions of others? In other words, what drives them to try to “save” people, when its already decided what’s going to happen to everyone?[...]
A: My father believes homosexuality is a special sin you can’t recover from. He get’s this from some obscure passage in Romans. Yes, there is a tremendous amount of selective quoting. But this is lost on them because they never really were taught to examine the Bible and decide for themselves. They were taught to believe what he believes. This leaves them wholly unable to truly debate anyone. They recognize certain sounds and respond to those sounds with the sounds they learned. They don’t critically analyze the incoming sounds at all.
One of those sounds they recognize is “why do you preach if you don’t think people can be saved” to which they respond with the sound “it’s not our job to save, only to preach”. It’s what I call the divine Nuremberg defense.
Hat tip: Boing Boing. For more on Nate Phelps check out his homepage here and follow him on Twitter. From the looks of his tweets it appears he’s embraced atheism.
Here’s Nate’s sister arguing with an anchor on Fox News:
“it’s not our job to save, only to preach”
That’s classical Christianity, actually, and non-Controversial, regardless of his view of predestination. Doesn’t excuse them from being asses, tho.
It’s the sounds, exactly right.
Animals use body language or plumage to display.
Barking monkeys use sound to communicate their ever-changing position in the tree branches. They use said sounds in status displays.
Details matter very little- are you of my tree or from that stranger tree over there?
I note that the sound of speech itself is either comforting or uncomfortable, depending on if one is hearing allies or opponents. We count a crowd’s response to see if our allies outnumber theirs. We are affected emotionally; it is physically uncomfortable to listen to someone from the opposite ‘side’.
They feel the same way about us.
Monkey barking theory:
Monkey starts barking in his tree.
Other monkeys in the same tree start barking too.
“Our tree is the best tree! Our monkeys are the best monkeys!”
Problem arises when monkeys in that OTHER tree hear and start barking back:
“No, no! OUR tree is the best tree, OUR monkeys are the very finest of monkeys!”
There should be some suspicion that Westboro is a ‘False-Flag’ operation, not unlike the infamous and fatuous Operation Fast and Furious that is vexing the Obama gang. Consider what Westboro is doing: projecting the impression that the LBGT crowd is an innocent victim of the redneck Christian crowd.
It is well known that egregious Phred Phelps is a registered Deemocrat [sic], besides being a lawyer.
My personal suspicion is that of a legal troll, behaving in the most deliberately disgusting way possible in the hope of baiting somebody into a response for which they can sue for millions of dollars.
That the existence of the group is at least convenient to those trying to push a certain narrative about conservatives cannot be denied though. If it were an embarrassment to the lib-left, on the other hand, I am sure a way would have been found to shut them up or at least have the media stop reporting on them.
If your suspicion were valid, he would send his act to a Gay Pride Parade, where his people will surely be assaulted.
The ‘False-Flag’ scenario fits better for the LBGT bunch and the anti-Christian left. Notice how much more attention the left’s propaganda cartel, ie. ABC, NBC, NPR, WAPO, NYT, etc. and even the fair and balanced media, gives to the Westboro circus, and how they don’t give us much in depth coverage of the Gay Pride circuses.
We’re being played.
You couldn’t be more right. For a supposed ‘Right Wing Christian’ he sure seems to have a lot of MSM organizations on speed dial.
Considering that Phelp’s gang does not resemble any other Christian organization in behavior or doctrine you’d think there would be a bit a bit more skepticism about its claims to be a Christian group.
As nCT pointed out, Phelps is a Democrat. Not just a registered voter — he was a Gore delegate.
They *ARE* either a false-flag operation or are purposefully puffed-up by the press. Frankly, if they didn’t exist, the left would have invented them.
They are leftist actors. I have never in my entire life met real church going Christians who act like that. Either way, they are not real Christians. They certainly don’t represent the baptists that I have met. Surely they have probably caused more harm to baptists than anything and justfied them being bullied in some communities. All in all, Westboro Baptist Church favors the left more than anyone.
I think the next time the WBC protests at a soldier’s funeral, they should be introduced to a VBIED since they all usually stand in a compact group it should be able to wipe out all of em at one whack!
I do not no if this is correct but I have heard from a very respected source that tis group consista of an extended family of lawyers who are making themselves obnoxious and then suing because thier rights have been violated.
Is there anyone who knows of this?
Phelps Sr. was originally actually one of the few white men who would do legal work for civil rights in the south in the 60s. Go figure what made him go over the edge.
But if you followed any of the links and read what Phelps’ son Nate has to say about him, you’d realize that even though the old man did do civil rights work, he personally despised and disdained black people, using his religious beliefs as justification.
Westboro Baptist Church is not Christian, despite its use of the Bible and Old Testament theology. It is a cult, ruled over by a rage-filled, personality-disordered old man whose behavior toward his own wife and children has been as loathesome as it is toward outsiders. The members of Westboro Baptist Church (at least those who are still there) are cultists, willing to give over their lives to their “god”… Fred Phelps. Nate Phelps says that the church will die when the old man passes on, and I personally believe that day can’t come soon enough.