John Nampion Vs. His Sharia-Compliant Teenage Son
Hey Dad — you know about the Moors, right?
Sure, Nick, I’ve heard of them. Read a little about them in school.
Then you probably know they created the most advanced civilization in the history of the world. Muslims. Muslims, Dad.
Please sit back, relax, and enjoy the following Sharia-compliant video, the current fad in dhimmified classrooms across the country:
Geez…not this again…My 15-year-old son (taller by a lot, thank God, and of course way smarter and better-looking than yours truly — he could easily be mistaken for your typical blond surfer dude) taking shots at his Old Man about his favorite subject these days, those plucky and misunderstood Ambassadors of Allah – or as Elijah Muhammad used to call his own nasty, thuggish variant — the “Fruit of Islam.”
Trust me Nicky Nampion, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a bigger buzzkill than Mr. Hand's history class.
Of course linking to a Nation of Islam website to somehow “prove” my own bigoted and ignorant opinion about the relative “goodness” or lack thereof of one of the three great monotheistic religions of history is just fodder for my boy who, like many young people, believes that no one wants to change the way he lives. It’s just a simple difference of opinion, after all, and can I please give him 65 bucks to go to a concert this weekend?
Well done. And as to the Crusades, I tire of such complaints. The status quo ante was that the Holy Lands were Christian. Muslims took the Holy Lands by the sword. Christians resisted by the sword, had some interim success, but failed in the end. The result was that Muslims kept their spoils of war. And this sequence of events makes Muslims into victims? Only through the looking glass.
Just before I start, I’d like to state that I am not a moron like Sean Penn in Fast Times at Whatever High.
The whole point of my argument is that all religions have had many positive and negative impacts on the development of society. The Semitic Religions have been bickering since their founding, and this has resulted in many wars, not just wars involving the violent and evil followers of the Qu’ran attacking, raping, and killing all of a city’s inhabitants.
In India the evils of the Caste System has been in place for so long, only because of the Hindu Religion’s promise that if you lead a good life you will be reincarnated into a higher caste.
People have been killing in the name of their respective god since the beginning of civilization. It confounds me that people just tend to say “Oh look! They have turbans and a beard! And 20 of them blew up the Twin Towers! So lets make sure that every ounce of our hate goes to all of them!” (I am aware that not everyone that has commented that believes that, but many, many people do, and for you to argue otherwise is ridiculous.) Religion in general has resulted in the deaths and torture of billions of human beings, and that is the only point that I was trying to get across.
I thought Sikhs were the turban guys, Nick.
Oh, yeah, make sure you watch out for incorrect spelling or improper usage of Grammar, me boy – it’s a pretty sharp crowd around here – and I’ve already been nailed a couple of times.
Nicky,
First, that you are interested in, and engage with your Dad on these issues Is a plus, in my view.
Here is a suggestion: you no doubt consider yourself open minded, so try this: go to some
Anti- Islam “hate sites.”. I recommend jihadwatch and The Religion
of Peace. Check out theirnews reports, then keyword search in MSM: BBC, Reuters, AFP, AP and so on.
Read critically.
While you are at it, key word search for religions other than Islam involved in Mayhem and oppression.
Draw your own conclusions, and get back to us in a month or so.
BTW, I lived among Muslims for a large part of my life. Coming to the conusion that their religion is evil wasn’t easy. I am now, sad, but much wiser.
Actually Nicky, atheistic communism has killed more people than the world’s religions– and in less than 200 years. Who says communism isn’t efficient?
To the younger Mr. Nampion –
“Religion in general has resulted in the deaths and torture of billions of human beings, and that is the only point that I was trying to get across.”
It is a very common mistake to confuse causes and effects, symptoms and root causes. Religion in general is a product of the human condition. All cultures everywhere have practiced some kind of religion. This is no coincidence. Formulating a religion and believing in the supernatural is a natural side effect of the way the human brain is wired. If you find this notion interesting have a look at ‘Faces in the clouds’ by Stewart Guthrie. Another very interesting, but shorter read, would be ‘Metaphors we live by’ by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson.
The manner in which religion is practiced is an outgrowth of the particular culture practicing it. The culture residing in the Arabian penensula is quite backward and barbaric. The severity evident in the practice of their religion and conduct of their lives would be the same if they adopted Christianity or Buddhism. That severity is the result of their culture, not of their religion.
I am a solid athiest, but I recognize the enormous progress that western european, judeo-christian culture has made in relation to the other cultures on the planet. Our dominant religion has evolved with our culture, as we shaped it and it shaped us. This is not so for the world of Islam. They have not changed or advanced or contributed anything of value to the human race in a millenium. They have institutionalized their culture of misogyny, slavery, violence and conquest in the form of their religion.
As for turbans,I do judge individuals on the merits of their character. However, when I see a naked guy with tattoos, a human bone through his nose, and a shrunken human head on a post by the door of his grass hut, it tells me a little about what to expect.
(that example might seem an exaggeration, but I have actually been to that grass hut and seen that guy)
I think you are old enough to watch this:
Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil
Yes, Ann Barnhardt is an ardent Roman Catholic. I am not a Roman Catholic myself, but I have no problem with her mentioning her own beliefs here. And neither should you. I am posting this link because she makes some very valid points about Islam.
Nicky, you’re as bigoted as you suppose others to be.
There were no christians involved in either the crusades or the inquisitions; only catholics.
The writer has failed to raise his son as a christian and now is dismayed that his longhaired, punk, concertgoer, whiny, ignorant and smartmouthed son is a total mess and will probably turn queer by next week.
If my son had called me an “ass” he would have been a hospital case.
As for that Ass, Dawkins, his silly arguments only appeal to pimple prone adolescents aching to get laid and loaded sans the automatic guilt which follows such sin. Faith is never the real issue with smartass wanks like this one; repentance is the problem. John the baptist referred to such as “a generation of vipers”. And repentance must be a voluntary choice; it cannot be coerced. But respect for ones father certainly can be.
My Son doesn’t dismay me at all. He’s a smart kid and a good student and he doesn’t take drugs or smoke or drink – unless you count that Leinenkugel I gave him while we were on the boat last summer – he chugged it down like a man on his last day of freedom before a court-ordered two-month stay at the Betty Ford Clinic.
Of course I get your point about Catholics: They sure aren’t Christians, are they? No, first came the Christians (your people), and then us, uh…Catholics…worshipers of the Whore of Babylon…Papists and baby-eaters and probably in league with those Islamic dudes or at bare minimum, the IRA.
There are secrets everywhere….
Dad, have you not noticed that your allegedly catholic son hates all religion, including yours? AND THAT HE IS ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT OF iSLAM?
Break ou a dictionary and read it.
The primary definition of Catholic: “noun \kath-lik, ka-thə-\ 1: a person who belongs to the universal Christian church.” (Webster)
BTW, most Muslims don’t differentiate between your Western view of a Protestant church, sect or cult from Catholics – we are all Christian Crusaders and all are treated very harshly; even in a progressive or a moderate Islamic country, Christian life is much harder and more dangerous than what is let out by the MSM and especially or spineless politicians.
The oldest, most traditional churches in the Middle East, Africa and India (think Eastern or Ethiopian Orthodox) pretty much mirror what you differentiate as “Catholic.” These churches are literally the only thread of humanity in the most die-hard Islamic countries, and are dying by living in the words of Christ.
Peace.
So what’s my 82 year old mother’s problem?
It isn’t easy for people who have maintained a lifelong or even a many-decades-long mental and emotional investment in any particular world view to change it when facts come in that are new to them.
This (the veneration of Muslim Spain among academics) is nothing really new. I’ve come across or read books by David Levering Lewis and Andrew Wheatcroft, among others, that are so eager to focus on this short period in history (at best you can count it at 200 years or so–most historians shorten it to less, as little as about 75 years) when Muslim Spain was more enlightened that the Christian world. These champions of “tolerant” Islam especially want to bring up that some (many) Jews found the Muslim regime in Spain easier to live in than the Christian one.
The difficulty comes when you discuss with them what happened afterward. Yes, the Muslims in Spain were more tolerant than their Christian counterparts. They were chased off of the peninsula at about the same time Columbus went to what he thought was Asia. Most of them (the ones who didn’t convert, forcibly or otherwise, to Catholicism) wound up in North Africa. There, their society withered and died, over time, slowly growing more and more backwards. Eventually Spain and France conquered most of the region and turned it into “colonies”, which were abandoned at the end of World War II. The question is this: if Muslims had stayed in Spain, would Spain look as it does today, or would it look like Algeria? I think the answer is pretty clear: as far as I’m concerned, none of the Muslim countries on the planet are that stable. Activists here in the States are upset over the distribution of wealth: while they (sort of) have a point in an abstract fashion, in comparison with Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, let alone the rest of the region, wealth is distributed in a complely inequitable fashion. Most of the country owns little, and a tiny sliver owns everything, treating everyone else pretty much like property.
The eagerness with which historians gravitate towards that brief era tells you a lot about the politics of the individual historian. If he’s so eager to skip over everything else, and then linger over this era, you know where he head is (sun doesn’t shine there) and you can probably safely ignore him. True history involves objectivity, not wishful thinking.
Actually, the Muslims didn’t even wait that long; read up on what happened to Joseph ibn Negrala and the Jews of Granada.
Indeed. Though it was relatively better for Jews in Islamic Spain – especially during those times when even the Muslims didn’t follow their traditions very closely – it didn’t take much to set them off. Just having a Jew like Ibn Negrala in a position of authority over Muslims was often enough to set off pogroms against the entire community.
It of course got *much* worse when more fundamentalist Muslims – the Almohades, the Wahhabists of their day – came to power and Jews had to flee, sometimes to “Christian” Spain. The great Jewish scholar and philosopher Maimonides fled Spain (it’s said disguised as a Muslim) at that time, settling in Fustat (part of present day Cairo). Those who drone on about “enlightened” Spain under Muslim rule almost never mention the Almohade Muslim experience.
It should also be noted that Andalusia was in an extended competition with that other center of the Islamic empire of the time – Baghdad. And it could only compete if it took advantage of the skills and industry of the Jews and Christians living in their midst. Much of the scholarship of the time was actually conducted by those Jews and Christians, while Muslims scholars who strayed too far from established doctrine were often treated as heretics.
Yeah, they are so cute when they know everything. Sure hope your kid never suits up and plays for the other team!
This sounds like a conversation I had with my wife the other day. I still love her, just not her opinions on religion. Try telling him about the Muslim concept of taqiyya and see how that squares with his worldview…might make his head explode.
Good luck convincing anybody under 30 that the concept of taqiyya exists. They refuse to believe it, and just look at it as something everyone else made up in order to justify bigotry. :/
My grandfather said to me when I was 14 ( I knew it all then) ” Son, you are gonna find that the older you get, the smarter your daddy is.”
It is incredible to me how many people, when presented with a choice between a bowl of ice cream and a bowl full of dog turds, fail to choose the ice cream.
As always, Mr. Nampion, you are a pleasure to read.
You’ve got it right, Suthenboy. My Dad used to ask me if I thought he was trying to “hurt” me by giving me advice. “So you think I want to ruin your life, and that’s why I’m telling you this stuff. Well, that’s exactly it. I’m so stupid and backward and hateful that I want to steer you as far off course as I can.” Ha ha…and then he would tell me to mow the lawn. Because it was obvious I was gonna do it the dumbest way possible. It’s actually hilarious when I think about how right he was. And sometimes I wonder how I got to be so old, because I was such a moron…for far too long a time. It’s just how the world is…pass the Leinenkugel….
I see that your son has contributed here. I regret that I did not come back here sooner. Clemens’s quip about youth being wasted on the young is a true gem.
When I was young, my grandfather was a complete mystery to me. I did not understand why he did things the way he did, said the things he said, etc..
I thought he was overly harsh, sometimes even cruel. From my understanding he might as well have been from Mars. He grew up around the turn of the century ( the last one ) on a small family farm that was a days travel from the nearest town with electricity. I was growing up with indoor plumbing, electricity, decent clothes, plenty to eat and with Led Zepplin for theme music.
As I got older and began bumbling my way through the many problems life presents I found myself saying more and more often, “Oooooohhhhh….now I get it!”. ” So thaaaaaat is what he was talking about!”. My grandfather makes perfect sense to me now. I wish I had listened to him more and could remember all of the things he tried to tell me.
What really opened my eyes about Christianity was reading the work of Lloyd DeMause. He’s a psychohistorian (one who studies the psychological makeup of a past culture through documentation). The interesting thing is: he had no intention of backing up Christianity! I got the clear feeling from his work that he’s very left-wing and non-religious.
But he does a fair job of pointing out how hideous pre-Christian Europe was. No matter what any silly Wicca-folk want you to believe, it was a disgusting culture. Incest and infanticide were rife. People killed their children with impunity, and eventually found a “reason” to do so: blood sacrifice to their pagan nature gods.
Christianity did so much good for Europe it’s astonishing.
Christianity ( I am not a Christian, but I recognize it’s merits ) did the same for the pagan americas, where infanticide, human sacrifice and cannibalism were rampant.
Thats the hard thing for most people, especially young ones, to accept…
That there really IS a difference between religions.
They are NOT “all the same”, and its a simple reading of their message that tells you the difference.
The social and material success of the western workd is due in no small part to its embrace of the teachings of Christ as the way things “ought” to be if there was any “justice” in the world..right and wrong, fairness, mercy, honesty, …..it gave us the rule of law, respect for contracts, private property “rights” and so much else, we hardly notice anymore. We think of “freedom” in the west and and we forget it was Jesus who showed us the way. No matter what “evils” may have been done, supposedly in his name, its certainly NOT what he professed we do.
Only Jesus tells us to accept our enemies, to love our enemies, and pray our good behavior and kindness towards them will change their hearts, so that we all may enjoy Gods blessings. Isnt that the way of Western Democracies? Freedom of choice, mutual respect for different opinions, malice toward none?
Verses the ways of Mohammed? SHEESH what a horror show.
Rape, loot, conquest….sell slaves for weapons to gain more booty.
Lie and conspire, kill all non believers, in the most painful of ways imaginable, to please a chuckling Allah who revels in such suffering.
A messenger of death to represent a god of evil.
The horror of such a concept.
These are not “happenstance” occurances, this is the DOCTRINE of a Muslim, as stated in their holy books, its the equivelant of GOSPEL COMMANDS from theh mouth of Jesus.
No son, you will find NO SUCH THING in the Christian Bible should you care to explore. Mohammed committed rape and murder with his own hands, and supervised the ritual slaughter of thousands. Jesus raised the dead, restored the sight of then blind, and taught us to love even our enemies.
Even IF both are pure myth, the simple facts are:
One religion clearly preaches kindness and mercy, and the civilizations that embraced it have enjoy enourmous social and material success for centuries.
The other preaches intolerance, hatred, violence. And(surprise, surprise!)where ever that religion is, is a backward, poverty sticken, miserable place in perpetual conflict within itself and with its neighbors.
Schools today are afraid of JUDGEMENT. So they perpetuate the lie that “islam is just another religion” when it clearly, in its OWN WORDS, is not
Incest and infanticide were rife.
Yeh, well. Just look at parts of the US today. If anything with our knowledge we cannot deny that abortion is infanticide.
And those women today when discovering that they are expecting twins ask the Dr to kill one of them.
All that 2000 year march’s efforts to an ethical society for the good of all thrown out in the interests of a material world.
Don’t need a God to punish this modern day “Sodom and Gomorrah”; the people are doing it to themselves and time will bring it on.
I heard a lovely story about how the practice originated of using a bottle of wine at ship launchings.
Apparently it was originally a human sacrifice, typically done by dashing out a baby’s head against the prow. At some point, thet were persuaded to use Communion wine (the Blood of Christ) in lieu.
It’s not exactly untrue that Moslem Spain was ahead of Western Europe. It was, as was most of the Islamic world at that time. That’s where all the stuff about magical flying carpets comes from. Carpets from the Moslem world were so much more finely woven than anything in Europe that Europeans assumed they had to have been made by witchcraft.
That said, however, it’s rather a misleading truth, inasmuch as all the Moslems had really done was to keep things going at about the Roman level. Spain (like Carthage, Egypt, Syria et al) had already been ahead even before the Moslem conquest.It was more a csse of Italy Gaul and Britain having dropped back from that level since Rome’s collapse – of them falling behind rather than the Moslems forging ahead. The Christian Empire of Constantinople was also ahead of Western Europe, and for much the same reason.
The Muslims were only on a par with what they took in their conquests.
They invaded the Indian sub continent but while slaughtering millions took the use of 0 into their arithmetic.
They took all that the the Christians in the Middle East and the Jews had to offer and spread the knowledge in Arabic leading to all sorts of claims and legends.
Why recently, they were even claiming that Maimonides was a Muslim.
Can’t create it, steal it.
I’m glad you all think it’s so cute…I’ll remember not to bother with John Nampion again. He can’t even sell the truth to his son. (And hell would freeze over before the little snot would get $35 from me!)
@Martak… I don’t know, seems to me the kid may have a decent shot at a productive life? Don’t you think we have enough Lemmings being produced by our great educational system? You don’t measure a kids value by the quality of his thoughts, of course he’ll think differently in 10 or 20 years. You’d really insult a father for having a son strong enough to stand on his own two feet? Argue away kid and rock the boat, maybe later when it matters you won’t lay down like the rest of a lethargic population in a formerly great nation.
#1- That point needs to be sledgehammered in as the first item on the agenda in any discussion concerning the “religion of peace”. It is always interesting to ask why F & I were willing to bankroll Columbus, what did they expect to get? Why was the “backwards” route even open to discussion? Could it have even remotely been related to the extant control of traditional trade routes to the East? GBUSA
We have the Turks to thank in part for America. We would not likely be here in this form as a nation if it were not for the fall of Constantinople. From what I have read, the Religion of Peace was pretty brutal that day.
Thank you, Grup, for mentioning Christopher Columbus on Columbus Day! Let’s give a cheer for the great man!
Good job, and good article. But if my sons (who are at this point considerably younger than your son) called me “an ass,” they’d be picking themselves up off the floor after I had gone Crusader on them.
re “gone Crusader on them”: Around here, we call that “going stark raving Mom”
If they said that to me when they were in high school, that is–I don’t mean while they are in elementary school. (I’d just send them to their rooms and take away the DS for a month or so.)
#11 & #12
If my son, even today at the age of 40 were to call me an “ass” in any context other than a clearly joking manner, he would still feel the wrath of an old man who would kick his “ASS” out of my house. The author allowing his son to disrespect him in that manner speaks volumes about the condition of our youth today.
My dad would have used the belt on my butt for such a disrespectful offense as long as I was living under his roof. However, if the author would have done the same thing, he would have called the authorities and the dad would have been prosecuted for cruelty.
Go figure.
” but somehow I don’t think the reality will be quite like he envisions.”
And as long as you keep financing his trips to see George Clooney / Syrianna flicks and all the other Hollywood anti Christian / Jew crap…you’ll get zero return for your dollar.
Bart, do not take me for the evil and corrupt youth this article portrays me to be, as I am not.
My father and I joke with one another, thus allowing for me to call him an “ass” out of fun, in the same way he call me the “21st Hijacker.” It is insulting for you to take me for the typical youth today. I can attest to the ignorance and down right stupidity of your generation as well. Lets just not go there, as we are both, presumably, the exception.
nicky, apparently you don’t read very much dawkins or you would know he said “I regard Islam as one of the great evils in the world, and I fear that we have a very difficult struggle there.”
Dawkins says the same of all religion…
dawkins, harris and hitchens. three of the greatest writers of our time (especially hitchens) and all three state that islam is evil
Greatest writers? Hmmm. Their style is too harsh, their criticisms too biting. Their brutal insults do not serve the secular school well at all. They are a good read as long as they are preaching to the saved, but I seriously doubt a single person ever read Harris or Hitchens and was swayed. They make good arguments and good observations but they present them in a way that makes the religious feel under attack and immediately go on the defensive. That is not a good way to win people over.
Another example of this, perhaps more extreme, is that idiot narcissist Bill Maher. He holds people and their beliefs up, ridicules them and makes them feel absurd and moronic, then he and his audience laugh at them. How many has he won over? Zero I am betting.
Dawkins, though he has had his moments of boorishness, is a more convincing figure. He has probably swayed or helped to sway many.
Voltaire’s Candide is a good example of secular writing that is compelling to both the religious and non-religious. Harris and Hitchens need a good lesson in manners.
It is a pleasure to have you here Nicky. Come back often and try not to pay too much attention to those here who take themselves too seriously.
I saw on that history show, “Seinfeld”, that these guys were the MOOPS not MOORS.
Ha! I once broke down in a bad part of town. While I was waiting for my rescue I noticed a gang sign painted on a nearby building in three-foot-high red letters. It read; BLOOBS
I was in the territory of the dreaded….BLOOBS?
Oh the glorious public education system! I remember when I was a wee tot and the schools were telling me how the Israelis had this wonderful communal system called the Kibutz. I know they wanted so badly to tell me that Columbus was pure evil, but The Knights of Columbus would have objected back then.
Now the public schools are free of their shackles. They can tell children all sorts of things to regret about being born here. I sit and wonder nearly daily why the telegraph, telephone, electric light, airplane, phonograph, steamship…… cell phone and internet were invented here and not in Babylon.
Some of the territory (re)conquered by the Crusaders had been under Christian rule within living memory, namely: Edessa and Antioch. History–read it & learn.
The Nampions, father and son, seem like nice people, so lighten up on them. Those sorts of discussions take place in every household where fathers have encouraged their sons to think for themselves. That there are disagreements is to be expected. Youth has its take on a subject, experience knows better. School textbooks first made history boring and then falsified it in obedience to political correctness. Of course, the Saracens were savage and barbaric toward infidels, i.e. everyone else. This was sanctioned by Mohammed himself, a tribal leader who spread his beliefs by the sword. Not having benefited from a Reformation, let alone an Enlightenment, Islam remains frozen in time. That is the reason much of the Muslim world is so backward and why amputation and death by stoning is still permitted. Young Nampion will learn this in time, just as his father did.
I hope you guys keep writing in dialogue. It’s the funniest one yet. A tag-team.
Gosh, Mr. Nampion. I hope you didn’t give your son the money he was asking for. I’d have been hard-pressed to keep from giving him a swift kick in the butt and telling him to go mow the lawn until he gained a lick of sense!
I’d like to suggest you look again at the Spanish Inquisition and tell me if it was the entire religion of Christianity (or Catholicism if you prefer) that was evil or if it was a select group of people who were in charge that were evil while 99% of the people just wanted to live in peace. Do you think it mattered to the people in charge of the inquisition if the people they were supposed to represent just wanted to live in peace? Do you think that because 99% of the people wanted to live peacefully with each other that protected anyone who disagreed with the leaders of the inquisition?
Now let’s look at current times. Do you think if Sharia law became the norm that those in charge would not persecute people who disagreed with them even if 99% of the people they represent wanted to live in peace? If you still think they would, may I refer you to several of the nations currently ruled by Sharia law that persecute their own people for not breaking any of the religious laws even though they may follow all the others.
Correction to last line:
If you still think they would, may I refer you to several of the nations currently ruled by Sharia law that persecute their own people for breaking just one of the religious laws even though they may follow all the others.
The Spanish Inquisition wasn’t even carried out by the Catholic Church. Even Wikipedia states as much:
Looks like you have strengthened my argument. Not the Catholics who wanted peace that were the problem but a small group of religious fanatics who were also in charge of the government. How is that different from those who want to impose Sharia law on others?
well, also, if the slave-holders in the south had had video cameras, they would have shown you how happy the slaves were. I have children’s books from the turn of the century with slow-witted, gentle house slaves happy to attend the Massa’s chilluns. You’re watching the slave- owners version of the story of Spain.
Add in, the Spanish rulers had to be polite. They were the Muslim version of apostate from the main sultan in Baghdad. If they had to rely on their co- religionists, they’d've had their heads cut off. They were relying on getting to stay on in Spain, so they needed to not upset the local population too much. The local population, as well, did not want to subject themselves to Byzantine theological purism, either. It’s never popular- the Russians killed off 96% of their own theological purists- but the local population was estimating that a devil who just taxes you was better than one that tortured you. They were all basically hiding from the armpit of the meditteranean, and pretending everything was hunky-dory.
You might want to read up on Islamic arts. Penguin has some good books; even the Barnes and Noble version is really good. You’ll keep tripping over touching stories about people sucking up to the local ruler, and trading slave girls around. Unless you’re a fan of Conan, or other such barbarian pulp novels, at some point it will bother you.
If you really believe that Christianity has always been triumphalist, you might want to read ” A World Lit Only by Fire” which is about the world 1000 AD. As a bonus point, there’s at least one Michael Crichton novel set during this time, made with one of the people listed. You’ll be in on the game, and the book will be funnier.
As for violence and relativism, your best bets are actually probably books by political theorists. They tend to put numbers to everyone’s splutterings. Majority Christian nations tend to go to war less frequently than other types of nations- it’s in ??? the book by the guy who coined the phrase “islam has bloody borders.” oh- and, like 90%+ of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting with their neighbors. Granted, their neighbors are homicidally crazed communists, in some countries, but still – that’s a really high number.
it sounds like you two have a very good relationship. I’ve liked reading what you write- both in the main essay, and in the comments. I hope you keep it up.
Children, who are taught this dribble of the historical significance of the Muslims in Spain by watching this video, will not realize Islam is at a point of time where it is militarily expanding.
They will not see Islam is being used as a sword to penetrate, violently if need be, other societies to dismantle their religions and culture with the hope of become the dominant force in the world.
Islam feels it is their time to rise.
If Islam does become the dominant religion, it WILL be through unspeakable violence which we and our children will have to live through.
Then after thousands of years if Islam evolves, it might stand a chance to become a tolerant and peaceful religion.
That is if the other religion still exist to see it.
Religions EVOLVE or die off, this is one version of Islam that need to go extinct.
Nicky,
Why are you hitting up your old man for $35? Don’t you work part-time after school, or on weekends? Did you forget to ask him for the keys to the car? The old man probably did work after school and on weekends. The old man houses you, feeds you, clothes you. Give the poor guy a break. OK?
Sorry sir! Those darn liberal’s and their child labor laws! I have to a whole 16 years of age to work! Just give a few months, and you bet I’ll be workin’ from the minute school lets out, and clock out the same time the sun sets!
Nicky, Have you tried doing that thing called “chores” around the house as a way of making money? Or is that beneath the elevated opinion you seem to have of yourself?
You should have simply asked your son what evidence would he need to actually believe that what you say was correct. i have directly asked this many times of these people who think we are being unfair. nobody would give specifics no matter what i did and 1 even said that no matter what was presented they would not believe it.
“Mr. Hands”
Now all I can think of is a horse killing someone annaly via sex.
What the hell has the internet done to me?
The video at the top comes up with a message that Channel 4 have blocked it here (the UK) on copyright grounds.
Now, if I’m right, this was programme presented by a female Oxbridge historian.
It was overwhelming in its praise for the Muslim occupation of Spain.
They were just wonderful, wonderful and did SO much for Spain in terms of art, culture,invention, and generally caring for people.
This “historian” even lauded the wonderful irrigation schemes and that irrigation had never before been seen in Europe. Sorry Madam but I rather think the Romans, and perhaps others, did it centuries before. Indeed there are the remains of such not 5 miles from where I live, near Hadrian’s Wall.
I saw the programme and wrote an angry email to channel 4 about their historian (she was mixed race, had an English name, but might even have been Muslim although her manner of dress didn’t suggest that) massively distorting facts and even inventing new ones (the irrigation)
Got back a meally mouthed response which said nothing. Bet it is being shown in British classrooms though complete with inaccuracies.
As for Mr Nampion’s son. Well I’m with others on this one. Had my son called me an ass (arse in the UK) he’d have got my boot up his.
The Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) was more advanced than Muslim Spain.
The capitol of the Empire, Constantinopol, was the largest city in Europe.
Constantinople was a prime hub in a trading network that at various times extended across nearly all of Eurasia and North Africa, being the primary european destination of the famous Silk Road.
According to some researchers, the first university in Europe was the University of Constantinopol, founded in the 5th century by the emperor Theodosius II. Byzantine scholars developed the alphabet used today in Russia, Serbia, and Bulgaria. The ancient greek knowledge was saved in Byzantium.
Well Nicky, here’s a comment from a woman. I used to be quite left-wing and am still committed to gender equality before the law. I used to feel angry at the sexist history of the Christian church. But now I see Islam as a far greater threat to women’s rights. Just one small aspect of this: read koran verse 4:34 a few times and contemplate what it means for the justification of domestic violence. You could add to that Bukhari’s description of Aisha being married by Mohammed when she was 6, consummated and 9 and consider that in some islamic countries this is seen as justification for child marriage. I’d really like to read your thoughts on these topics.
Nicky,
Could I strongly recommend a viewing of the movie “El Cid”?
It gaves a fair portrayal of the different types of Moslem around, and is also pretty realistic in showing that Christian and Moslem alike put far more effort into their own internal quarrels than either usually did into fighting the “infidel”.