Reproductive Rights for me, But not for Thee
Yeah, okay, so Obama says male politicians shouldn’t get involved in women’s health care decisions. It’s up to a woman and her doctor to make those decisions, he says.
If that’s the case, then women and doctors shouldn’t get involved with men’s reproductive rights, or lack thereof, since men have very few rights these days. I hear often from men that they go to doctor to get a vasectomy and are told that they need the wife’s permission to do so. Even if there is no law that demands a man beg his wife to sign off for him like a little kid, if a doctor won’t do the operation without her signature, he can’t get the procedure and therefore, his right to birth control is denied him. No women need to ask their husband to get a tubal ligation, that would be an atrocity! Here’s the real truth: Men have few reproductive rights, they just don’t have a lobby that gives a you know what.
Didn’t you get the memo? Men aren’t human. Please find your nearest Ministry Of Truth for “voluntary” re-education and goddess worship. Love your Big Sister.
I’m happy to shut up about women’s reproductive rights the moment they shut up about child support.
If they have absolute authority over reproduction they can accept absolute responsibility too.
Men are starting to withdraw from women by refusing to marry and essentially ‘going on strike.” While this is one way to handle the “women have rights, men have responsibilities” conundrum, men need a better lobby to change the legal landscape.
Entropy works in the long run.
Eventually the gov’t will be victim of a currency crash related hard reset. Then, the legal landscape will be in our favor.
However the feminist controlled government will squeeze until it has killed its host. Entropy may not be a good thing only it makes a government more tyrannical and totalitarian.
Even if we had a lobbying group, it’s not going to do much. The vast majority of people (men and women) of all political leanings believe that
1. women are valuable
2. men are disposable
3. men have too much power already.
Thus, facing that reality, we disconnect as much as possible and let the system drown in its own vomit.
As a wise man is fond of saying: “Anything that can’t go on forever, won’t.”
As a wise man is so fond of saying: “Anything that can’t go on forever, won’t.”
Dr. Helen I believe the tubal ligation thing is by state. I know in FL a woman can’t get one without her husbands consent. Several of my friends couldn’t get one because their husbands wouldn’t agree. Also single women can’t get one until after they pass a certain age. I think on matters of sterilization the obstacles on both sexes should be removed.
You have to follow the money. See if a woman has a tubal ligation then she can’t get pregnant and the husband is none the wiser. However, if a man had a vasectomy without his wife knowing, she could get knocked up while cheating and lose her meal ticket.
That totally happened to a friend of mine. He was on his second marriage. Married into a family with two kids and a woman who swore she didn’t any more babies. Since she didn’t want any more babies, the subject of his vasectomy never came up.
The she turned up pregnant. He said he’d never actually SEEN someone “turn white” before, but the expression on her face told him everything he needed to know about who the daddy wasn’t. But he said he’d step up if her progeny passed a paternity test. Sometimes vasectomies self-repair.
Didn’t pass.
You know what? She never did fess up. In spite of the vasectomy AND the failed paternity test, she kept claiming that the child was his and that she was the victim.
If women can unilaterally terminate the child’s right to life without the consent of the father, thus abdicating her parental responsibilities, why shouldn’t the father have the same option to unilaterally terminate his responsibility as the father and walk away from his responsibilities?
You know, equal protection under the law and stuff…..
Perhaps if men had this ‘nuclear option’ and made it patently obvious to the mate that he will not support and will terminate his parental responsibilities there’d be a lot more incentive for women to put a bit more thought into who impregnates them.
Actually, my cousin, Rhonda, had a tubal ligation after her fourth child. She then got pregnant with her fifth. The doctor said it was impossible. She said, tell it to God. The University of Houston did a medical case study on her.
That was in the 1970s.
And now here we are, some forty years later, still having the same stupid discussion.
It’s very simple, really. If you don’t want the responsibility and expense of raising a child, if you don’t want to wake up with some sexually transmitted disease, don’t have sex. That’s the only 100% effective method of birth control and disease prevention.
Condoms have a 30% failure rate at preventing pregnancy and a 50% failure rate at preventing disease transmission. So don’t even go there.
The pill has a 10% failure rate at preventing pregnancy and a 100% failure rate at preventing disease transmission. So don’t go there either.
A vascetomy is relatively effective, as is tubal ligation. But as my cousin demonstrates, nothing is guaranteed.
Her daughter, named Cherokee Bluesky, is a lovely girl, by the way.
And, men, if you want to retain your reproductive rights, there’s only one way to do that. Don’t get married.
My wife’s cousin had a vasectomy. Didn’t wait until a sample tested negative for actual sperm presence. had a kid after the vasectomy. And it was his.
Ce la vie is I believe how the saying goes.
I think your numbers on condom failure rate are a ‘tad’ high. If that 30% were true I should have about 10 kids by now.
P.S. I don’t
I got to agree that condoms dont work as well as people say the do.i got pregnant twice with a condom. The first time a trojan condom slipped off and it got stuck inside me. And the second time a lifestyle completely split at the tip.so my husband and I just decided for him to get snipped lol.so no more kids for us and I cant take birth control I was on nuvaring.and my doctor found I what that birth control.my my blood presure rise to the point where i can have a stroke.and honestly dont trust a condom alone.
It’s being tested in Israel and Brazil. Some other male-specific birth control is going onn in Indonesia.
The male pill is coming.
Expect a big mushroom cloud on the landscape of the gender wars real soon.
Wouldn’t the equivalent of those infamous back-alley abortions be DIY vasectomies? I mean, really, how hard can it be to do?
> …if a man had a vasectomy without his wife knowing, she could
> get knocked up while cheating and lose her meal ticket. (JKB)
I believe this has happened – prob more than once. If they’re married (formal or common law) he is legally the father, and thus is still on the hook for being her and the kid’s meal ticket.
It’s a common misperception that responsibility now always follows DNA, which it doesn’t. The bio-dad is of course there as a backup, so she can’t lose, as there’s no penalty or downside to her so-called cheating. Which is why it’s not cheating, just bizness as usual.
Part of men’s not having any reproductive rights means that only women get to play sex as a game of “Gotchya!” and win. Men always lose.
If he doesn’t contest it immediately, he ends up on the hook. DNA test immediately after birth, accompanied by denial of paternity, and the courts have been ruling in favor of the non-daddy. Should rule in favor EVERY TIME DNA shows lack or paternity. That day is coming.
There is much folklore about this issue. The federal law HIPAA prohibits sharing medical information, let alone asking permission for any medical procedure, with anyone else. There is no spousal exception. None. It overrides any state laws to the contrary, should any still exist, and in extensive internet searches I found evidence that few states had actually ever had such laws.
One example often given of a state with a law requiring spousal consent for sterilization is Georgia, but quick checks reveal that the state supreme court ruled the law unconstitutional over 30 years ago. The ruling specifically cited the recent determination that a woman need not get permission from anyone else for an abortion as an analogy.
The problem seems to be that doctors are pushing the issue of spousal consent, and this is entirely illegal. Again, I did the research, and no one has been able to find any successful lawsuit in LexisNexis or other databases against a doctor for performing a sterilization—either because the spouse didn’t like it when he/she found out, or because the sterilized person changed (usually) her mind upon realizing the procedure was permanent. The lawsuits that do exist are for failed sterilizations in which someone got pregnant or became a father after the procedure.
Doctors seem to be very pronatal and paternalistic, hence the issues with “requiring” illegal spousal consent to sterilization. In fact, I suspect that some are performing sham “sterilizations” on those patients who persist: anesthetize the patient, cut him/her open, poke around a bit without actually doing the ligation or vasectomy, sewing him/her up, awakening them, and then saying, “Okay, you’re sterile! (Tee hee.)”
If any of you get the spousal consent crap from a doctor over your request for sterilization, remind that doctor of HIPAA and mention that the state medical board and your lawyer would just love to hear about violations of federal law.
If any doctor says they require spousal consent to perform a vasectomy, ask them to cite the law that requires this. If they cannot, tell them that you will not only report them to their medical board (this is VERY threatening to their career and practice – they will take it seriously) but will also be contacting an attorney (a Med Mal attorney is best) about this issue.
It is time to end this pro-natal paternalism once and for all.
Those who call for equality under the law seem unaware they are demanding that no law favor one over another. In that case, the entire Progressive agenda should be repealed.
When it comes to reproduction, there is only one fair and equal policy: if a couple indulges in sex and starts a pregnancy, both parents should be held to nature taking its course.
Equality before the law or elective abortion. One cannot choose both.
Well thought out and communicated post Brett. I agree completely.
Trey
Isn’t wasn’t that long ago women has to have “permission” to have a bank account. Sorry you are feeling so bleak. Turnabout is fair play.
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Really, because it was wrong to do that to women then so now it’s okay to hurt men? If it is just revenge you are after, remember that when men come to pay you back.
“Revenge” is not “fair play” in any sense. I hope you never have to meet people who think like you, lest the danger of they being “fair” to your rude self also.
Geez, grow up will ya? bet you look like a troll too.