Egypt Democratically Adopts an Anti-Western Dictatorship
The victory in the referendum on the constitution is the fourth straight Muslim Brotherhood success — including the overthrow of President Husni Mubarak’s regime with army assistance, the parliamentary election and the presidential election — in the process of taking over Egypt for the long-term and fundamentally transforming it into a radical Islamist state.
This last victory should be sufficient to go all the way.
This event is also producing a new stage of Western rationalizations that whitewash the Muslim Brotherhood and rationalize support for Islamists being in power.
It isn’t that the constitution, as many Salafists would have liked, explicitly mandates a revolutionary Sharia state. Rather, the constitution sets up a framework that will allow the Brotherhood to do so. Between the president and the constitution, the Brotherhood will now march through every institution and remake it. Judges will be appointed, school curricula rewritten, army generals appointed, and so on.
As the Brotherhood shows patience in carrying out this process of gaining total, permanent control, many in the West will interpret that as moderation. Said a Western diplomat in Cairo:
The problem with [President] Morsi isn’t whether he is Islamist or not, it is whether he is authoritarian.
Wow, talk about Western misunderstanding of the importance of ideology. Perhaps whether or not he is an Islamist — and of course he is — has something to do with his being authoritarian?
Since his goal is a Sharia state, then that is an authoritarian destination for which authoritarian means are considered acceptable and are in fact a necessity. One might as well insert the words Communist, fascist, or radical Arab nationalist for Islamist.
There are three factors involved here in setting Western policy: ignorance, a desire to avoid crises, and a foolish belief that having a radical regime in Egypt will moderate the extremists.
To add insult to injury — literally — the New York Times, which has continually portrayed the Brotherhood in glowing terms, now explains to its readers that the opposition has nothing to offer:
The leading opposition alternatives appeared no less authoritarian [than the Brotherhood]: Ahmed Shafik, who lost the presidential runoff, was a former Mubarak prime minister campaigning as a new strongman, and Hamdeen Sabahi, who narrowly missed the runoff, is a Nasserite who has talked of intervention by the military to unseat Mr. Morsi despite his election as president.
“The problem with ‘I told you so’ is the assumption that if things had turned out differently the outcome would be better, and I don’t see that,” the diplomat said, noting that the opposition to the draft constitution had hardly shown more respect than Mr. Morsi has for the norms of democracy or the rule of law. “There are no black hats and white hats here, there are no heroes and villains. Both sides are using underhanded tactics and both sides are using violence.”
This is disgraceful, a rationalization for failure or worse. The idea is that it really didn’t matter who won, because they are all the same — so why not a Muslim Brotherhood government with a powerful Salafist influence?
Any leader of Egypt is going to be a strongman. The question is: a strongman for what causes? And if people were talking about unseating the democratically elected Morsi, that’s because they view him as the equivalent for Egypt of some new Khomeini, a man who will drag Egypt into decades of repressive dictatorship and war.
I’ve often written of the weakness and political incompetence of the anti-Islamist forces, but these are courageous people fighting for a good cause. True, their side includes leftist and nationalist extremists. But should that be used to discredit them all when the Islamists are constantly whitewashed?
And for U.S. interests, it certainly does matter who wins. Extend this wrongheaded analogy: the Iranian Islamists are no worse than the shah; Saddam Hussein was no worse than the oligarchs who ran Iraq before it went radical in 1958; the current Islamist regime in Turkey is no worse than the high-handed Kemal Ataturk; one might have well had Communist regimes in South America rather than military dictatorships.
It might not sound nice to some people, but the main task of Western diplomats is not to worship democracy, but to try to promote behavior in other governments favorable to their own country’s interests. In those terms, Mubarak or Shafik is better than Morsi. And since Morsi doesn’t even stand for real democracy, the choice is even more obvious.
And there is a dire implication here: if there is no real democratic opposition, then the United States doesn’t have to help it. Is this principle thus extended to Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, and Tunisia? Are Islamists the only alternative, or to put it in a slightly less obviously objectionable way, should we accept and even help Islamists because everyone is the same?
Wow, has the Western elite lost its way.
There is so little sense of who is a friend and who is an enemy, the lesser of two evils, the strategic interests of their own country that one can only despair of any lessons being learned from experience.
It’s ironic that Obama has spent so much time talking about how past U.S. support for pro-American dictators has been a mistake that led to a legacy of crisis, when he is now supporting an anti-American dictator.
The argument presented by U.S. officials — that compromise is in the Brotherhood’s interest — is laughable. Do people in Washington know what the Brotherhood wants, and the conditions in Egypt, better than the Brotherhood leadership? We have seen this same mistake made many times before by Western governments and editorial writers, this lecturing of a radical regime that it would accomplish more by being totally different.
What is most disturbing is not that the Obama administration is supporting this regime — which is bad enough — but that it is not even suspicious of the Egyptian government’s intentions and behavior. It thinks the Brotherhood is going to curb the Salafists while it actually uses them as storm troops. And so, in the coming months, we will see more obfuscations and apologies about Cairo’s behavior.
The sad truth is that it is too late for U.S. leverage — which the Obama administration doesn’t want to use anyway — to have an impact. The Brotherhood is already in power. If the United States gives it money and support, the Brotherhood will use that to consolidate its rule while mobilizing the people against the United States. If Washington doesn’t, the Brotherhood will then mobilize the people even more effectively in that way. A U.S. policy coddling the regime will be seen as the weak and stupid response of enemies; a tougher policy will be portrayed as hostile.
True, if Obama doles out money and military equipment to the regime with conditions and slowly, Morsi has an incentive to go slower and more carefully. Yet it also strengthens the regime’s ability to fulfill its goals and to entrench itself in power. But the army isn’t going to do anything against the regime even though, at this point, it will not repress the opposition for Morsi. The Islamists aren’t going to be won over by the United States. And Obama isn’t going to be serious about using pressure except for meaningless statements and phone calls. The administration will speak nice language about protecting women’s and minority (Christian) rights while it looks the other way when these are violated.
Understandably, the democratic opposition — like its counterparts in Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, and Iran — has leared that the United States will not help them. As one sign at a demonstration put it: “Obama: Our dictator is your bitch.” One day, decades in the future, an American president might be apologizing to Egyptians for a U.S. policy that backed a repressive Islamist regime in their country.
What are the next steps for Morsi? To out-wait the opposition demonstrations, which might well diminish since the constitution is now an established fact; to begin the transformation of Egypt’s institutions; and to figure out how to handle the problem of parliament. Can he reinstate the results of the earlier election — with a 75 percent Islamist majority — or will he have to hold a new vote next year that might yield a much smaller majority?






Your iPad has a Gulliver font?
One is reminded of the remark, usually attributed to FDR “he may be a bastard, but at least he’s our bastard.”
Yea,but this one is THEIR bastard
Stranger still, if the jihadi bastard hates the United States and Israel, he’s highly regarded in Washington, D.C. and handed billions of our hard-earned tax dollars.
To make matters more rock solid – for Islamic jihadists – they now have more than a kosher stamp of approval from Obama and thugs – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/12/15/shariah-law-its-silencing-of-all-dissent-its-encroachment-into-the-entire-west-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
And the fact that the Islamist-in-Chief cherry picked Kerry to be his Sec of State means that even Assad has his man in place.
And that, dear folks, is that….another nail in the west’s down fall.Yes, this is indeed, in EVERY way that counts, a clash of civilizations.
He’s a proud alumnus of the University of Southern California so we created this monster!
Fred, this is a true story. Mursi’s son was born while he was studying at USC so in one interview Mursi jokingly said his son might become president of the United States some day
Rather amusing how the U.S. and some allies have expending treasures beyond imagination in the name of nation build around the world for a democratic political and social process.
Now some are whining over the consequences of their ‘democratic process’ successes.
Surely, the U.S. and its allies are not about ‘creating’ reigious conflict and wars in a attempt to have the world submit to Judeo-Christianity through its nation building strategies – are they?
Well, you know, it’s simply not really our business what sort of government people want on the other side of the world. If that want Islamism, and they apparently do, well, that’s their business.
Same with the Turks. They want to turn their back on Ataturk and vote in Islamists and become a theocracy, well, they’re foolish, but it’s their right to be.
With that said, there is no reason we should be giving them aid, and we should be prepared to take in as many political and religious refugees as possible
For the Islamists it’s 1933. It took the West 6 years to figure out Hitler, given that the Islamists fit the Left’s favored “persecuted minority” bill, it will probably take them much longer. Who knows how many Americans and other people will die for their folly..
Wow… so did the US.
It is too late to close the gates, the enemy is within them…
The MB did not overthrow Mubarak nor did the army assist them or anyone in doing so nor did Obama have a say in it one way or the other. In fact the military tried to hold on to the status quo for 18 days and finally gave in to the reality of tens of thousands in the streets of several cities who wouldn’t take “no” for an answer. What the army did do was not use live fire on their own people; that’s as far as it goes. The demand was for elections and elections are what the people got.
Seems that Hitler was elected … so was obama. Your point?
If a sports team loses a ball game and I call you and tell you they won, that’s the point.
Not sure where you are coming from. You have used your knowledge about Egypt to claim through this whole process that the Egyptians can create a reasonable government with some Islamic tinge. I guess now it is time to rationalize given the absolute victory of Morsi and the Brotherhood.
Wretchard referenced Michael Totten yesterday. It is the philo-Arabism of those like you and Totten – and the quick endorsement of same by PJM (Simon) and others – that indirectly promoted this result. I guess it would have happened anyhow, but I would love to see apologies from Totten, Roger, you and others for endorsing ‘SandMonkey’ and the Google exec in Egypt and the rest.
Your post in nonsense. I have never made any claims you describe. I’m just telling you what’s going on. What’s reasonable to you is quite different from an Egyptian and that Egyptian will have an opposite number. That’s democracy and they’re voting. You may not like it, and they may not like you.
As for an Islamic “tinge,” Egypt is an Islamic country and a deeply conservative one and has been for centuries. Why is that a surprise and what would it have to do with me?
The idea that Morsi and the MB have won some “absolute” victory is shrill hyperbole. Morsi was besieged in the Presidential Palace by a crowd estimated at 3/4 of a million people just a week or so ago; how “absolute” is that? The MB offices in Tahrir Square were torched at the same time. Morsi won with 52% of the vote. Is 52% the new “absolute”?
This is a quite different reality from the sad refrain of Egypt as the next Iran passed off as nuance I’ve been listening to for the last 2 years. No one knows what’s going to happen in Egypt; I don’t. But I can tell you the idea the MB can simply takeover is ludicrous. What are they waiting for? It’s been 2 years. Are they going to take over like Obama took over and Bush before him?
I have never endorsed Sandmonkey or that idiot Totten or the Facebook Kid and I don’t owe apologies or squat to anyone. I have no dog in this hunt and Egypt can go full Wahabbi or start worshiping George Washington and I would care less.
In fact, Totten was dumb enough to visit Tahrir Square (long after the issue had been decided) and got fed a dusting of dried cat crap on a taco for his troubles and went to the hospital. What – he thinks they don’t have the internet in Egypt who can see photos of him embedded with the Israeli army on his website?
What an idiot. I laughed. They check IDs at Tahrir when there’s a rally and they know everyone.
Ok, point taken.
Hitler/obama/ and the moslim bro’s were democratically elected.
Time to check which country has wheat surpluses.
Before the drought, it was USA and Ukraine.
Algeria must be freaking out, after what they went through to tame their Islamists.
I wonder what Morsi would have to do to dissuade our representatives from sending them our money and weapons?
Vote Republican??
Refuse to attack Israel? Refuse to ethnically cleanse Christians?
But, golly, it’s a democratically elected America-hating Islamofascist dictatorship that had everybody who votedfreely dip their finger in purple ink, too! (Thank you, Democrats, happy now?)
Dry run, dry run, dry run. The Left wants as many of these repressive dictators in place as possible so they have multiple opportunities to study how they take absolute control and make the populace fear them.
Our own Resident Left wants to have that same level of power over us.
The true face of the new Egypt-
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4321181,00.html
And old Iran-
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/iran-making-anthrax-at-secret-plant/
And now this-
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163277#.UNAv3hwU4QM
Been saying this for years, people talk about “Democracy” as if it was some sort of panacea, they use the word as a synonym for stable tolerant western governments. They rarely stop to consider that democracy contains no inherent tolerance or stability, it’s merely a rule by the people, and a people with anti-western values will elect an anti-western government. The people there do not want tolerance and peace and friendship with the west, they want sharia and jihad and will vote for it given the opportunity. I’ve said for years that the best solution in the middle east is to prop up more-or-less benign dictators who play ball with us, keep the oil flowing, and keep their radicals in line. Basically what we do with Saudi Arabia. Anybody care to guess what sort of regime free and open elections in Saudi Arabia (the land of Mecca) would bring? The purpose of the US government is to look out for US interests, democracy in the middle east is not currently in our interest.
Well, you are right about the ‘democracy’ part. This is the sort of thing a wonderful democracy will get one. Majority rule is the same thing as ‘mob rule’. That’s why our Founders hated the thought of a democracy. In fact, it scared them to death, and is the reason why we are a Constitutionally Representative Republic.
What was it H.L.Mencken once said about democracy? Oh, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard”. Well, over there they are about to really get it “good and hard”, in more ways than one.
Don’t you just love democracy?
I too believe TPM is correct. Our leaders, elite, and media are using the word “democracy” to describe when people vote in elections and their choices are for future corrupt politicians (strongmen / dictators) or parties consisting of fanatics who subscribe to an anti-western philosophy. (How ironic – they are using western philosophic tools to prevent western philosophy from being established in their country.) The “common” U.S. citizen hears the word “democracy” or “democratic elections” and think of a pre 1979, pro-western style form of government or elections.
I firmly believe most citizens in the U.S. hear “free elections” are happening in former dictatorships and say to themselves, “This is great news! These people will think just like us! They will have air condition, cable, and drive Chevy Volts! They will be our allies (like Great Britain or Canada)!” Sadly, many U.S. citizens do not comprehend what foreign elections mean to the U.S. and the West.
Libya is weak, has lots of oil. Egypt is broke, it will need money to finance the destruction of Israel. What would The Prophet do?
What nobody seems to remember- Obama’s USAID gave $3 million for the Egyptian Presidential elections. Obama adm/HCR made demands for the interim caretaker g’ment (military) to hand over power in rathwer brusque terms. Obama adm. invited MB to the WH and access to NSA-DOJ (on behalf of the Blind Sheikh Rahman). Obama/State issued a visa to the Luxor terrorists Hani Eddin to come to US after’ complete screenings’- in Luxor 1997 over 60 people lost theire lives in this terror attack- a pump in the road- July 2012- Morsy issued a pardon degree whereby 25 Jamaa-al-Islamiya terrorists (lifers,under death sentence) freed from prisons and who went to Syria as veteran rebel jihadists/terrorists or to Libya/Benghazi to help their breathen in AQIM and smuggling enterprises (rpg’s,missiles,arsenal).When Egyptians MB/EIJ attacked US Emb/Cairo on 9/11/2012- Morsy to date has not apologized- whereas US/Stae/EMb + Obama at UN apologized for a YouTubeVideo clip of Coptic Egyptian-American production. Unheard of ever before. When MB/Nour threaten the Copts- now blaming them for telling people to vote ‘no’- not a peep from Obama+ US/State?HRC- not a peep. Obama adm.is sending F-16 fighter jets to Egypt under the guise of Mubarak regine orders. Rearming Sinai is also a priority to MB/Nour/Morsy under the guise of Bedouin skirmishes/abduction/killing border soldiers- many of the killers seem to be from Gaza. Blind eye to weapons smuggling from Libya-Egypt+Gaza or the longer route Sudan-Sinai-Gaza, Sudan’s Bshir is a wanted ICC criminal,yet Morsy had him as a State guest in Egypt. Morsy has sacked so many army officers- named MB/Nour governators- now FJP/MB wants to arm the Youth as safety personnel around MB headquarters in different governates. The last frontier that Morsy/MB has not yet been abvle to cross is the Supreme Constittutional Court- although MB/Nour has issued death threats/assassinations of those working there. Anyone having read history -knows of the Fedeyin who clandestinely and overtly operated in Lebanon/Jordan/Egypt et al after 1948- they are the same MB today- more glib-less obvious to the Evian Elite foreign ministries occupying their seats today. There is still time to own up the fundamental error in the assessment of MB/Nour/Morsy.IMF should lead the way- and US Congress should take heed. Where’s Irina from UNESCO- Salafists have stated the Giza Pyramids/Sphinxes will be erased on Egyptian State TV.
Carter gave us the mad mullahs’ Iran.
Obama gives us the islamist republic in Egypt (… and Tunisia, Libya, Syria to come).
And the American people keep voting for the democrats…
And the American Jews keep voting for them too…
There is nothing that can be done now.
The more extreme they become, the happier I am. That’s because I assume that there’s a threshold in the minds of the self-righteous liberal do-gooders above which they will find it impossible to keep living in denial. It is a high threshold indeed, and quite remarkable how these people can keep playing at make-believe that liberal democracy is possible in places where Islam rules. I hope that eventually, they will not be able to look themselves in the mirror for fear of how stupid they look and sound, with their wacky theories about making the world a better place. At that point I hope they come to the realization that they’re dealing with nothing more than murderous lowlifes, and act accordingly, in spite of being sick with the disease of political correctness.
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