Egypt: A Muslim Brotherhood President Does Not Prove That We Are All ‘Chimps’
“I just can’t do what I done before/I just can’t beg you anymore/I’m gonna let you pass/And I’ll go last/Then time will tell just who fell/And who’s been left behind/When you go your way and I go mine.”
–Bob Dylan, “Most Likely You Go Your Way and I’ll Go Mine”
Muhammad al-Mursi, the Muslim Brotherhood candidate, has become president of Egypt. But what does it mean to be president of Egypt? That’s the current question. Let me divide the discussion into two parts: What does this tell about “us” and what does this tell about Egypt and its future?
First, what does it tell about the West? The answer is that there are things that can be learned and understood, leading to some predictive power, but unfortunately the current hegemonic elite and its worldview refuse to learn.
Here’s the New York Times passing on what administration officials told its reporters: “The Obama administration, expressing relief on Sunday that the Muslim Brotherhood’s candidate will be Egypt’s next president, voiced cautious optimism that the choice could keep the country’s rocky transition to democracy on track.” So we should be happy the Brotherhood won? I guess this means that if they lost the Brotherhood might riot, turn to violence, and Egypt’s democratic experiment would have failed. Now, however, we supposedly can feel okay because the Brotherhood will impose an anti-American Sharia state based on majority rule? So, apparently, the U.S. government is on the Muslim Brotherhood’s side.
What could be more revealing than the words off Jacqueline Stevens in the New York Times: “Chimps randomly throwing darts at the possible outcomes would have done almost as well as the experts”? Well, it depends on which experts. Martin Kramer, one of those who was right all along about Egypt, has a choice selection of quotes from a certain kind of Middle East expert who was dead wrong. A near-infinite number of such quotes can be gathered from the pages of America’s most august newspapers.
These people all share the current left-wing ideology; the refusal to understand the menace of revolutionary Islamism; the general belief that President Barack Obama is doing a great job; and the tendency to blame either Israel or America for the region’s problems. So if a big mistake has been made, it is that approach that has proven to be in the chimp category.
Having written about the Middle East for almost forty years, I’ve seen the power of the “chimps” that repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over again. Their power has waxed and waned, falling to the lowest points, for example, just after the 1991 Kuwait war and just after September 11, 2001. But they keep making comebacks and in the last two years their influence has been at an all-time high.
In early October 2010 I wrote an article based on actually reading what the Muslim Brotherhood leaders were saying. It was titled “The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood is Declaring Jihad on America; Will Anyone in America Notice?” And they were signaling a change in their traditionally cautious strategy to go for revolution. Why? They told us: President Husni Mubarak was on his last legs, the regime seemed vulnerable to being overthown, America was weak, and their assessment was that the revolutionary Islamist forces were advancing everywhere.
By the time the uprising broke out, in January 2011, numerous voices were raised in warning. If the mainstream were to be honest, it would have to admit that those voices included Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck.
[Incidentally, imagine the anger, the hatred, and the gnashing of teeth that will occur in response to the previous sentence. Yet aren't people engaged in public debate--especially intellectuals, and that includes liberal intellectuals--supposed to acknowledge the truth? Who refuses to give credit for those, even opponents, who are right? Who refuses to learn from their own mistakes? Not real liberals or conservatives, but ideologically rigid radicals.]
None of these people were experts but they listened to the better experts, at times went over the heads of the mass media to look at what the Brotherhood really said, and also had a basic sense of reality that guided them correctly on this issue. Equally accurate was every article written on the subject in PJ Media. To admit this, however, would require the hegemonic forces to accept that these people who were being demonized and despised might be right on other issues as well.
Meanwhile, the New York Times correspondent is still telling readers:
“…many in the West have a lot of mistaken impressions about the Brotherhood. It is at its base a religious revival group committed to a bottom-up and gradual approach to moving the culture in a more Islamic direction. Their platform carefully avoids any hint of restrictions on personal behavior or liberties. Rather, it seems to suggest the Brotherhood would try to nudge Egyptian culture in a more conservative direction by public and private example. For instance, the Brotherhood would not restrict the content of films but it might subsidize films that expressed traditional Islamic values. And it would allow Islamic charities and religious groups more freedom to spread their own messages.
“Its leaders are not clerics or religious scholars. Almost all have advanced degrees in medicine or the natural sciences. (Mohamed Morsi, the presidential candidate, got his PhD in materials engineering at the University of Southern California.) They are politicians. Under Mubarak, the Brotherhood played a growing role as an elected bloc of the Parliament, and unlike the ruling party its lawmakers acted like real politicians — they sought the views of their constituents, studied the issues and introduced legislation, and over time moved toward the middle. They are committed to democratic elections and the peaceful rotation of political power, which usually means moving to the middle.”
Actually, the Brotherhood’s leader is a cleric and who cares about the degrees other leaders received–Hamas leaders include all sorts of professionals–degrees that did not require them to learn anything about Western humanities or social sciences? Moreover, it is completely false to say they were moderate in Mubarak’s parliament. See here on that point and also here, two articles that explained how the Brotherhood was radical and likely to take over Egypt written in 2006 in my MERIA Journal by Egyptian authors.
But to say that nothing has been learned by the “best and brightest,” here’s the same New York Times reporter writing on Libya:
“In an unfolding contest here over the future of the Islamist movement, Mr. Hasadi’s vision of peaceful change appears ascendant. For the West, his success may represent the greatest promise of the Arab Spring, that political participation could neutralize the militant strand of Islam that has called thousands to fight and die in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.”
So the New York Times thinks that Hasadi is a man advocating “peaceful change” who the West should support. Regarding Hasadi, here’s what I wrote nine months ago:
“According to Al Jazeera…Abdul al-Hakim al-Hasad…was formerly head of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an al-Qaeda affiliate….The group was still designated as terrorist by the U.S. government. Here it is on the terrorism list (number 26, in alphabetical order) released by the State Department last May.”
So what evidence is there that he’s changed his views? None that I’m aware of. Do the words–which also apply to Syria–”here we go again” occur to anyone?
If we assess honestly what has happened, it would require us to conclude that the aggressiveness of revolutionary Islamism and the weakness of the U.S. response to this challenge have been the principal problems in the Middle East and must be addressed seriously or things will get steadily worse, more violent, and more oppressive. Yet if we are all equally “chimps,” one can ignore all of the lessons of the last eighteen months and, thus, continue to make more terrible errors in the months to come.
But what should we make specifically of this most recent event, the certification of al-Mursi’s victory? Certainly, it is another step forward for the Brotherhood toward capturing the most important Arab country. A confident Hamas (which has now officially joined the Muslim Brotherhood’s international network) has launched a war against Israel by firing dozens of cross-border rockets from the Gaza Strip and other means which the “international community” and democratic West are ignoring, to set one more terrible precedent in the war—one-sided as far as they’re concerned—with revolutionary Islamism.
Even now the “chimps” refuse to acknowledge the extremism of the Brotherhood, the most significant anti-American, antisemitic group in the entire world today. They ignore the fully documented fact that al-Mursi campaigned on a basis of hatred for America, fundamentally transforming Egypt into a Sharia state, going to war with Israel, and spreading revolution throughout the region. At this very moment, for example, the U.S. government is supporting a Brotherhood-led puppet group as the leadership of the Syrian uprising and arming its forces.
Yet within Egypt itself the outcome is not clear at all. There are as many options as there are rumors in Cairo. Remember that there is no Egyptian constitution, no parliament, and no timetable for electing a new parliament. The powers of the president are not defined.
So al-Mursi is going to govern the country or, which seems more likely, the rulers will continue to be the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, and al-Mursi will be a figurehead. It seems likely that this situation will prevail for at least one year. Will the military make some deal with al-Mursi and the Brotherhood which trades limited power for accepting limits on their power? Here’s an article by Eric Trager, who has also consistently been right on Egypt, writing about how hard-line al-Mursi is personally and the likelihood he will follow the instructions of the Brotherhood’s jihadist supreme guide, al-Badi, in his decision-making.
Will, as seems less likely, the Brotherhood embark on a campaign of armed resistance or, more probably, just continue demonstrations in Tahrir Square in Cairo? Here we can see the difference between all of the nonsense spoken in 2011 and reality. If the army wants a “revolution,” there will be a “revolution”; if the army wants to resist, then it will remain in power. It is important to note, however, that the Salafist groups will not take this lying down. There will be a lot of violence.
Finally, there is a question of Western policy toward Egypt. What should happen is realpolitik, survival response. The military is saving Egypt from catastrophe. That doesn’t mean its rule is wonderful, democratic, or terribly competent. The army is not going to solve Egypt’s problems, but neither is anyone else.
Yet probably what will happen is that the U.S. government will condemn on some level the military, stamp its foot ineffectively, and spout words like “turnover of power,” “transparency,” “rapid action,” and so on. In effect, of course, they are insisting that Egypt be turned into a totalitarian state, the sooner the better.
Of course, the Brotherhood did win the election—three elections in fact, upper and lower house of parliament as well as the presidency—and so if that is one’s sole criterion then they should take power, just as Hamas and Hizballah won elections. It is time, though, to start thinking of U.S. interests.
It is also worth noting that what one could call the Islamist vote sank from almost 75 percent in the parliamentary elections to 52 percent in the presidential ones. Perhaps the military calculates that in a year the support for revolutionary Islamism might be still high but not a majority. We will have to follow the events in Egypt closely. It is advisable to start listening to the non-chimps and their analysis so that the West, and the United States in particular, don’t end up as chumps.






The Zionist-Crusaders alliance is trembling in fear – now that the pious Egyptian people have spoken.
Allah has granted the Muslim people and the Arab and Palestinian Mujahedin, and those with them, the opportunity to fight the Zionists and the Americans. We are certain that we shall – with the grace of Allah – prevail over the Americans and over the Jews, as the Messenger of Allah promised us in an authentic prophetic tradition when He said the Hour of Resurrection shall not come before Muslims fight Jews and before Jews hide behind trees and behind rocks.
We are certain – with the grace of Allah – that we shall prevail over the Jews and over those fighting with them. We anticipate a black future for America. Instead of remaining United States, it shall end up separated states and shall have to carry the bodies of its sons back to America. Allahu Akbar!
Yes, yes. Drink Coca-Cola or whatever that means. I admit blaring ad slogans from minarets is an effective advertising campaign.
I guess now the “pious” Egyptian people need to pray to Allah for a working economy…
Odd, I didn’t know the meaning of “pious” is worshiping a meteor and paying homage to a pedophile. Silly me.
Good point!!!!
Now that’s funny.
“Allah has granted the Muslim people and the Arab and Palestinian Mujahedin, and those with them, the opportunity to fight the Zionists and the Americans.”
He has also granted you the opportunity to starve to death. Don’t ask for help from the hated infidels and Jews when you do. Your foreign exchange will run out this fall.
Barry, why do you allow the State Department to post policy statements on your blog?
Pure penis envy, amongst other envies.
Your women are ugly, your armies a joke, your culture is pure trash based on cascading multiple levels of lies, tribalism, abuse of the weak and murder, and the last thing of note you did was inventing the mathematical concept of zero. No doubt after looking in a mirror.
Bzzzzzzzz, sorry that was incorrect. The Arabs didn’t invent zero or algebra, despite popular belief. They were a creation of India which the Arab silk traders brought back with them.
Even if the Arabs had invented zero, it means we owe them nothing.
I believe that zero was invented in India in the 6th/7th century AD, not by the Arabs. the Indians invented zero around the time that Mohammed lived. I think that the Arabs learned about zero when trading with India.
correct. The Hindus get credit for the invention of the zero and the decimal system, the arabs just get credit for bringing the concept to the west. After that, the west gets credit for really making something out of it, with its subsequent use in mathametical theory, scientific theory, and engineering/invention, mostly done in the west.
Exactly. The Hindus discovered the concept of The Zero while observing Muhammad.
I think in actuality “zero” already existed before any of these folks. They’re all great civilizations and each has contributed its part to the whole of scholarship.
Don’t forget the generations of inbreeding. I usually take these opportunities to suggest a good book that addresses the sham that is the so-called right of return and EXACTLY what the Arabs think of Jews:
“The Haj” by Leon Uris
This is the first book you should read about Israel.
Just curious, but do you still beat your wife and hump your goat, with the grace of Allah of course?
Excellent post! I almost choked on my sunflower seeds laughing!
oh, that’s mature.
Thanks, Londonistani. You have erased any remaining shred of multiculturalism within my liberal-indoctrinated soul.
Recommended reading: “America Alone” by Mark Steyn
Oh yeah, when will al-ah “grant to his people” toilet paper instead of left hands?
Never – at least, definitely not now in their most civilized country, Egypt, he won’t!
Who needs TP when you have the Koranholio?!
Tell me that when you are praying five times per day while facing a glass parking lot.
“We anticipate a black future for America.”
Hmmm, you might be on to something there.
I thought you people had something against alcohol?
Whatever gains your 7th century cretins (evil) have made are the sole result of the West (good men)doing nothing, too many still do not acknowledge your threatening words. I certainly do, and I agree that the clash of civilizations is coming but that day will be the beginning of the end for this disease called islam. People who spend half the day on their knees and the other half abusing their own population (women and other sects) will learn a terrible lesson about the real world….that technology trumps their blood thirsty god. Hope I live to see the smoking ruins of Tehran and Cairo.
Please. You exist at the sufferance of the rest of the world. If the actual 21st-century nations actually tossed out the multicultists and got it together gloves off, the “brave” “soldiers” of “Allah” would be smashed inside 30 days, and we’d *keep* smashing until the twitching stopped.
I’d love to see what happens when you go poke someone who straight out doesn’t give a damn, like China. You’ll be lucky if you pull back a stump, you pustulant primitive paleotard.
And I wake up.
My pants unbutton.
Blood is jipping from my tooth.
And then he curse me.
Aiee, aahhh.
-from the Jerky Boys, cab driver goes to the dentist.
Not much different from the way you sound.
Hey asshole, where ever you see fear you’ll find anger. I would love to see your stupid face when you’re confronted with that anger’s wrath. Your allah is going to seem pretty pathetic and pitiful right about that time.
In my opinion neither the MB or the salafis dare resort to violence. The army would crack down and that would be the end of the revolution. The salafis don’t have the numbers to do anything but peacefully protest or join in and vote and like it.
“The army would crack down and that would be the end of the revolution.”
That hasn’t happened in Turkey and the army has been neutered. The Islamists seem to be good at politics, just not feeding themselves.
Egypt isn’t Turkey.
How many of the guys carrying rifles are members or supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood? Some might be surprised which way the rifles get pointed if the coup order ever gets issued.
I’ve wondered about that myself. Remember the scene in Dr. Zhivago when Strelnikov, I believe it was, “turns” a regiment on its officers? A few shots, some stomping — then back to Moscow to support the Bolshies.
Will the Army officers give an order to “clear the square” some day and be cleared away themselves? Let’s not forget what happened to Sadat.
thanks! i reached the same conclusion.
Praise be to Allah, we seek His help and ask for His pardon.
We will defeat the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators…
Get out of our lands! Stop meddling in our internal affairs! Stop killing Muslims! Stop stealing our resources! End your support for the thieving Zionist entity! … or you will suffer immensely…
All praise is due to Allah.
Odd to find State Dept. releases here.
“Odd to find State Dept. releases here.”
Thanks. I really needed to clean my keyboard anyway…
you guys are cracking me up!
Barack, what are you doing here?
The Crusades were defensive. Arabs return to Arabia. Return North Africa to the Christians, as it was before the Arab invasion. Islam in Egypt should be thought of as evidence of treason.
We can probably find a member of the Greek royal family to be the new head of State of Egypt.
Every change in the Muslim world is for the worst, as they are the worst people on Earth. Fortunately it will lead to an all out war and the Muslims will be brought down low. Obama won’t do it and maybe Romney won’t either, but it will come out of the hatred Muslims are sowing all over the World. Remember Dresden.
Hey homie, why don’t you ask for his pardon for your boys raping that tv reporter in the mob in Cairo? After that you can ask the pardon of the true God in heaven for all the atrocities committed by your death cult over the last 1000 plus years.
The Londonistan guy and the North Korean news agency must read the same comic books.
Ah more freedom-hating, women-abusing animals taking power. Tell the air force to keep their engines warm.
Islamist: it’s been a few years since I was at medical school, but I still remember that your type of stream of consciousness psychosis is treatable. (And yes, I’m probably feeding the troll, but it’s been a long shift).
And really son, the last thing you want to do is to push the Zionists and the Crusaders as you call us/them, into an effective alliance. The last time a couple of nations did this it cost quite a few million lives, in the end a lot of them “theirs”.
Also, blaring ad slogans from minarets along with a month’s fast every year is an excellent tool for turning out sleepy unproductive hungry ineffective workers in your sinking-lid anorexic economy. You may want to rethink that one of these days, what d’ya you say?
“Etiology suspect of neurological origins.”
Such a pitiable condition; almost a cry for mercy killing, eh? The temptation is great.
Praise be to Allah, we seek His help and ask for His pardon.
Your government is leading your country towards hell. We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if you cherish your lives and if you cherish your sons, you must elect an American patriotic government that caters to your interests not the interests of the Jews. Find a serious administration that acts in your interest and does not meddle in our internal affairs. The treacherous Jews are leading you to your destruction. Why do you Americans allow the Jews to manipulate you and control your government?
Allahu Akbar!
I detect overdosing on British fish and chips.
Calculate the volume of water held behind the Aswan dam. Divide by the combined acerage of the Nile River valley and delta. The answer might make you a little more circumspect about making existential threats against your neighbor.
Islamist, question:
How much of the food Egypt needs is produced there? Of the difference, how much hard currency does Egypt have to buy that food from the “Crusaders,” or anyone else? How much hard currency will be generated by the Egyptian economy once the tourist trade is dead, as it just about is now?
See the problem?
No, he doesn’t see the problem. When they are starving, resist the appeals of CNN. We don’t need another Somalia.
Obama’s foreign policy of bows, apology, and appeasement has let to total disaster for the U.S. around the world? Where is the U.S. better off than 3 1/2 years ago? Nowhere! Putin and Russia just showed Obama his total contempt. Pakistan has been so mishandled they’ve gone from ally to almost outright enemy. Iran is on the verge of having a nuclear arsenal. The Arab Spring has led to victory for Islamic extremists in country after country with the fall of Eygpt the single most important disaster to date. Obama’s hosility to Israel has emboldened the extremists and Israel’s very survival is at greater and greater risk. China has coplete contempt for Obama. It isn’t Chimps running our foreign policy its, as Bill Clinton calls him, “The AMATEUR! Our nation and/or Israel may not surivive 4 more years of “The Amateur”!
Dr. Rubin: Don’t disagree with anything you wrote. Just wanted to make a comment on the following line: “Yet aren’t people engaged in public debate–especially intellectuals, and that includes liberal intellectuals–supposed to acknowledge the truth?” Unfortunately, the people you refer to, the so-called intellectuals, tend to be Leftists, and Leftists have a reality all their own, and they angry at someone who points out to them that their reality has nothing to with reality; it is a construct all of their making. (See for example Elizabeth Warren, a 100% blue-eyed blonde with who considers herself a woman of color; clearly delusional but that’s what passes for reality amongst Leftist.)
A thought on Islamist in Londonistan – Would this be one of us having a field day with his/her irony about Araby?
You make it perfectly clear that the Jews and the West need to eradicate all vestiges of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is not a time for appeasement. You, as a Muslim, will find a way to kill us or make us irrelevant.
The West needs to immediately prepare for this eventually by isolating all Islamic Countries the same as was done and is done to Cuba. This time the West needs to be serious.
Thank you, Maurice Eisenstein for posting:
“The West needs to immediately prepare for this eventually by isolating all Islamic Countries the same as was done and is done to Cuba.”
I’ve been posting that thought here and there at every opportunity. The land mass of the Soviet Empire plus the Red Chinese mainland at the height of the Cold War was pretty successfully contained. Plus, the Soviets and the Red Chinese, while having their frictions, were nowhere near as fractious as the various warring sects and tribal, familial cliques found from North Africa to the scattered Indonesian Islands. And, the Soviets certainly had their nuclear ballistic missiles aimed at American cities.
And, related to this ideological Communism, there were no “moderate” Soviets, “moderate Red Chinese”….and I doubt that there are now any “moderate” Cuban collectivists. They either read and followed Karl Marx’s ideals or they didn’t.
So, I say there aren’t any “moderate” Muslims….either they read and adhere to their Koran, all of it, or they don’t.
But I admit that my western thinking has its weakness in omitting the Muslim ideas of taqiyya/kitman which are authorizing Muslim hypocrisy (in our Western sense of the term) with a lot of elasticity. So, the Muslims can infiltrate and subvert us Americans and participate in our hedonistic capitalism and draw professional salaries, guilt free…….as long as their presence in America serves the ultimate goals of the Koran……our destruction as Infidels. In this manner they can appear to be “moderate” Muslims and cooperative. I think we Americans are being fooled by this faux “moderate Muslim” idea.
There really can’t be any such thing, just as there weren’t ever any “moderate” Communists.
That’s why I emphasize the striking parallel between Communist subversion starting about 1925 in America and the deeply established Muslim subversion in America right now.
But we’re not fighting Muslim subversion as we fought Soviet subversion once we became aware of it; we’re accommodating Muslim subversion in the name of Political Correctness and Equal Opportunity, even though we seem to acknowledge its subversive character.
How can this Muslim “Brotherhood” emerging in Cairo just now be “moderate”? That’s a lot of taqiyya/kitman.
Aha!
So; The Liberal Left Media has a secret conclave of chimps that are throwing darts at an open thesaurus that they use for their talking points?
With leaks like these, who needs Julian Assange? Let him go to Ecuador where they will harvest his organs while he is still living.
Barry,
Actually half of Egypt voted against the Muslim Brotherhood. The Islamists have seen their share of the vote fall from 75% in the parliamentary elections to just slightly over 50% in the presidential election.
A lot of Egyptians are rightly scared of Muslim Brotherhood rule. What will hold the radicalism of the Muslim Brotherhood in check are two things: Egypt’s economy and the army.
In the short term, its freedom of maneuver is limited. But in the long term, if they succeed in transforming Egypt into a repressive totalitarian state all bets are off.
The Muslim Brotherhood victory is a portent of things to come, none of them to the good and the West is still clueless about what the coming to power of radical Islamist regimes in the Middle East means for the future of Israel, the region and the world.
Do the rest of you people posting here really not see that “Islamist in Londonistan” is a right-wing provocateur, presenting what he imagines to be the agenda and style of speaking of a radical Islamist? And you all are falling for it, because he confirms your prejudices as well as his own.
As for Barry Rubin – well, what can you say about a guy who thinks that an ethnic supremacist state can be also be a democracy?
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. What makes you think this same blathering nonsense couldn,t be some high scholl aged kid making a pathetic attempt at a lack of humor?
I think there’s a difference between a fundamental belief in an ethnic supremacist state and using it as a means to not be put on cattle cars.
It’s just Deja Vu all over again.
I remember distinctly all the lib apologists for the Iranian revolution saying “all the Iranians want is freedom, they have no hostility to the USA”.
Now 35 years later:
Iran is THE leading sponsor of Terrorism.
Iranian President calls the USA “The Great Satan”.
AND Iran is enriching Uranium into concentrations only useful for fission bombs.
35 years ago we had…
High Oil prices
High unemployment
A Democratic Admin
A President perceived as weak on the world stage
I wonder what chickens will come home to roost in 25-35 years?
There is an actual website newspaper associated with a book, Robert Ferrigno’s “Prayers for the Assasin”, try google, amazon, or wikipedia.
It’s a newspaper, with ads, stories, headlines, from the
Islamic States of America, 2036.
I couldn’t finish that book; it was too much of a grotesquery.
Islamist likely is an Islamist. This is the way think. But clueless leftists like you are falling into the same trap the Iranian Communists and secularists did after the fall of the Shah. They though the Islamists liked them and needed them. Of course after the Islamists seized total power, those groups were repressed and were never heard from again.
Israel is the only free and secular country in the Middle East. Its a tragic irony so many on the Western Left can’t or won’t see it.
History is likely to repeat itself because you and your ilk won’t learn from it and try to stop the direction in which the Arab Spring is heading and the West has a good deal more leverage on events in the Middle East than Israel does which it not being used as it should be.
In the end no one can say they weren’t warned.
This apologist for the vile state of Israel dares to speak about the interests of the United States. The United States, unfortunately, is an ally of Israel, but Israel is not an ally of the United States.
Zionists should be driven out of American public life to where the Black Muslims and the neo-Nazis lurk.
Banished TO CONGRESS?
off your meds again?
What can be acuurately described as vile, as opposed to Israel, is you and your smears.
Let’s talk straight. Zionism – by definition is a Jewish nationalist movement originated in Europe, advocating the establishment of a homeland in the Biblical Israel. Zionists are living in Israel, they are Israeli citizens and their mother tongue is Ivrit. Diaspora Jews – by definition cannot be practicing Zionists – for a citizen of the USA cannot be a nationalist Israeli.
Your beef therefore is not with the Zionist movement but with the American Jewry but using the moniker “Zionist” is the Pol.Corr. way you to say that thing. To say bluntly “Jew” in any configuration entails banishment and other type of retribution.
The Jews (“zionists” /sarc) in public life like Soros, Obama-Jews, N.Y. Times, Hollywood and other assorted leftists are NOT Zionist but Socialists – with strong antipathy toward Israel: nation-state, religion are anathema to the universalistic, multicultural-diversity Leftist Jews.
Unless you correctly define your case against the American Jews in public life, you are a garden variety antisemite. Neither more nor less.
Sorry, but your opening paragraph is incoherent. You speak of a Zionism originating in Europe that cannot by definition be practiced by a diaspora Jew. Yeah, alright. Slipshod research and wishful thinking do not define anything for anyone. Politics informed by religion are doomed to fail, doomed to hurt those they mean to protect and doomed to be viewed as childish by those of us not held captive by the notion of a sky god. Why not worry about something that can, in fact, be fixed.
Then read Churchill’s essay on this subject.
Zionism versus Bolshevism.
A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.
Illustrated Sunday Herald February 8, 1920, page 5
______________________________________________________
http://ajedrez_democratico.tripod.com/Zionism-versus-Bolshevism.htm
Excerpt from the last paragraph:
“A Home for the Jews.
Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism.”
Please stop insulting chimps.
The third “Islamist” post sounds like a Ron Paul supporter.
I’m glad to read that I wasn’t the only one thinking the same thing.
Mr. Rubin;
Where did you get the photo of Moochelle before her shave in the morning?
Muslim Brotherhood is managed and funded by Saudi royal family, as is global Wahhabi school system, Hamas and various groups we consider terrorists.
For some reason the western world cannot accept Saudi royals fund terrorism, Hard core Sharia law, and any means to achieve their goal of replacing democracy with Sharia based religious – political system.
Well, yes, the Muslim Brotherhood is so radical it’s more of a danger to itself in the long run than to anyone else and right now it’s really feelings its oats. But getting its way outside the country’s borders will be a quite different matter from persuading gullible Egyptians that they’re the ones they’ve been looking for.
Egypt’s raw capacity to cause trouble in the region was always predicated on an outside power giving it the means to do so. But one has to doubt that Vlad is straining at the bit to see if he can provoke WWIII by using the Sinai as a testing ground for the latest Russian weapons. And there’s the always the chance that a lot of it will end up littering that desert’s smoking and non-smoking sections.
After Romney gets in Egypt’s military will be faced with the choice of looking for a new sugar daddy or finding a way, shall we say, of curbing the Brotherhood’s worst proclivities? The bad part is that we will be paying this blackmail for a long time. Maybe Israel could cut us some slack by unilaterally ending Carter’s pay-off diplomacy?
“It is time, though, to start thinking of U.S. interests.”
Yes, but you are pressing Israel’s interests instead of US interests. You claim it is an “antisemitic group . . . going to war with Israel”. Even if it is, that is not the US interest you are talking about.
Haven’t you noticed that the Jew-haters of the world all think the US is run by the Joooooos? So if they hate Israel, do you really think they love us?
They’re right, too. The “Jooooos” have the same outsized influence on their narrow area of interest as the NRA on theirs and the AARP on theirs. And for the Arabs, that means them. That is an artifact of the US system and the place of narrow interests within it, and not some grand conspiracy.
And those “Joooos” are really proud of it, and brag on it, and use that brag to promote their organizations and raise money, except for when they deny it. We are supposed to believe whatever we are told at the moment, and forget the same people say the exact opposite, until they say it again.
Your generalization and allusion to the Jews as “evil” has as much validity as the Europeans generalization about the “stupid and dumb” Americans. Your judgment is devoid of facts and it’s only an emotional outburst, your dislike of the Jews. American Jewry for the most part are Socialists (Marxists) and hostile to Israel: most of the attacks against Israel originated from Leftist Jews like T. Friedman N.Y. Times, Obama-Jews (J street), Soros and the Leftist “self-loathing” Jewish controlled media.
The aggressive, international “Marmara” Turkish flotilla incident was organized by an American leftist Jewess, Greta Berlin.
The Obama administration is openly and admittedly antagonistic toward Israel.
The State of Israel is a separate entity and your assertion as per American support of said country is “against the US interest” needs to be supported by facts. Without cogent, convincing proof and explanation your narrative is an antisemitic conniption, based on emotion.
If Israel is against US interest, then care to list those countries you believe deserve more support than Israel.
A. Troll’s (e.g. Islamist; LovelyEarth) goal is to disrupt; flame threads are boring reading.
B. Islamists don’t call themselves so, they call themselves Muslim.
Talk to the Egyptian owner of a diner I frequent. He regrets the army is so powerful, owns enterprises etc. I say (trolling of course) oh but they could throw a bunch of generals in jail, like in Turkey. “60 years it took them!” he says.
Turkey is a special case. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk set up the army as a special bulwark against an Islamist takeover, and it has worked remarkably well until Erdogan figured out how to get rid of all the old line generals and replace them with his cronies.
You say chimps, I say chumps. Nothing like having another progressive chump in the White House, a rerun of Woodrow Wilson, only from Harvard instead of Princeton. Just think, if Wilson, and the Brits, had not entered WW1 to save democracy from the Germans ganging up with the Mexicans to over run the American South West, Germany would have won the war. No train to Moscow with Lenin and a Bolshevik Revolution. A European common market thirty years before the fact, and with a German led fiscal union with deep pockets, ya: No Hitler (or German Japanese pact), no WW2, and no 50 million war dead. No Korean War, no Vietnam War, no Soviet invasion of Afghanistan or Iranian Islamic Revolution. The chumps will get you killed every time.
Ye gods- Wilson was protecting ‘democracy’ as progressives define it, that is, Fabian socialism in the U.K. and ‘trade unions’ in Germany.
As well as resurrecting the Klan sepoys of his Ivy League imerialists, the eugenics movement of Princeton, and compeleting Teddy’s visions of Corporatism that were later adopted by Mussolni (who refined them by putting the ‘fascisti’, unions, in control.)
National socialist progressives such as Teddy and Hearst dreamed of an American Empire, because they were surrounded by real empires- British, Spanish, Ottoman, Russian. Both Republican and Democrat progressives got rich building Germany and Japan. Their dynasty families came to rule in DC political schools and New York banking.
Teddy had resurrected the Confederate practice of ‘filibusters’, privateers raiding the Carribean and Central America to create slave plantations for Democrat dynasty families. The Federal Reserve and Anti-trust acts brought such practice back home.
Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini learned from watching Wilson’s army of thugs, the American Protective League.
McKinley was assasinated, and Teddy became president.
Wilson was his creature. He reinstituted the draft to defend ‘democracy’- socialist colonization- overseas.
Wall Street sent Tolstoy, while Berlin sent Lenin. Free Russia was to be conquered.
Wilson’s acolyte, Teddy’s nephew, the Butcher of Haiti- FDR- only attacked Germany and Japan when they threatened Stalin. He attempted a Western Soviet, Stalin and his protege, Mao, would rule in the East.
An Empire of moralist tyrants, our betters who would bypass the Constitution and build a world of benevolent dictators- JudeoChristian visions reworked as social scientism.
The chumps, indeed!
woopsie, sorry- Leon Bronstein, aka Trotsky, not Tolstoy.
Lenin was also Jewish; both were spies who took over the Jewish plantation reform movement in Russia, Egypt, and Mexico. Bad administatives taking over honest reformers.
Heed the words of Islaminst in Londonistan. Write him off as a nutcase at your hazard. His is the voice of the MuslimBrotherhood, filled with euphoria at the advances of Jihad in Egypt, Turkey, Liberia, zLebanon and Syria, hastening the Hour of Resurrection, eager for martyrdom. The truth that America must face, for it is the only force that can withstand it, is that radical Islam has already, openly, declared war on the Jews as the first step in Allah’s promise that they shall conquer the world. There is no possibility of cooperation, compromise or appeasement. Lying and deceit are not just acceptable but central to the cause. Tolerance and efforts at coexistence on our part serve only as evidence of weakness.
There will be a war, regardless of our foreign policy, because the heart of of Islam WANTS war, is impatient to start killing Jews. And just as the true believers of Germany and Japan did not give up until their nations were pounded into the ground and their populations decimated and devastated. A Mormon President is likely to comprehend this reality.
Heed the words of Islaminst in Londonistan. Write him off as a nutcase at your hazard. His is the voice of the Muslim Brotherhood, filled with euphoria at the advances of Jihad in Egypt, Turkey, Liberia, zLebanon and Syria, hastening the Hour of Resurrection, eager for martyrdom. The truth that America must face, for it is the only force that can withstand it, is that radical Islam has already, openly, declared war on the Jews as the first step in Allah’s promise that they shall conquer the world. There is no possibility of cooperation, compromise or appeasement. Lying and deceit are not merely acceptable but essential to their cause. Tolerance and efforts at coexistence on our part serve only as evidence of weakness, are regarded as contemptible
There will be a war, regardless of our foreign policy, because the heart of of Islam WANTS war, is impatient to start killing Jews. And just as the true believers of Germany and Japan did not give up until their nations were pounded into the ground and their populations decimated and devastated, neither will the Muslims. A Mormon President is likely to comprehend this reality and see that we do not deliberately destroy our military capability.
The liberal left in America for the most part despises traditional patriotic pro-American Americans. The pure hatred of anything traditional and moral in the United States has been a cause of the left wing in America for decades. The left would rather trash and defile Christianity in America while turning a blind eye to the true enemy. It is truly astonishing how totally ignorant the lefties are. If you ever meet one of the few WWII vets still living you should kiss the ground you walk on because of them. They made the ultimate sacrifice to liberate you from a fanatical dictator.
This Is absolutely true! The liberals always espouse being open-minded and respecting other people’s cultures and beliefs. But as most people easily see, they are the first ones to insult a Christian, and have to make sure to tell them how stupid they are for believing in some “fairy tale”. You can’t try to appease and tolerate Islam, they have no possible idea as to the meaning of respect and freedom, and most of all tolerance. They want to assimilate the while world, and will settle for nothing less. It’s time the uniformed wake up and realize that it is a socio-political, totalitarian ideology, and it is absolutely not a religion. It should be looked at without politically correct blinders, and fought against it’s spread and influence, just like communism was. It’s just truly sad that in our current disgusting, politically correct infused society, that smart good people, can’t see the very real danger of Islam, and what it’s goal is, and it’s not peace and sane tranquility. We are so concerned in our society with not offending someone else or hurting their feelings, that overall we’ve lost sight of the concrete rights and wrongs in the world. And no one besides the apathetic or evil, or uninformed, could understand Islam and it’s goal, and still think it should be tolerated and allowed to spread.
I’m not saying we need to treat these people without respect, at least when it’s justified. But there is a huge difference between treating others how you would like to be treated, and sitting back and letting evil prosper and spread. Of course I’m just an ignorant racist for saying so, although last I checked, Islam wasn’t a race. But no, if I don’t agree with everything that happens in the world, and if I stand up against injustice and evil, well duh, I’m a close-minded bigot. As the liberals say “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion…..unless it differs from our’s. Praise be to the endangered humpback whale and redwoods, as reality television as is in our living room, apathy be thy name, awomen.”.
After witnessing the American Jews overwhelmingly support Obama in 2008 and ready to do it again I begin to understand how they got caught up in the Holocaust. It would be interesting to know if they supported Adolf Hitler in his rise to power pre-WWII. My guess is that they did and the Jewish population has a fundamental weakness in understanding an obvious threat.
Supporting Hitler via Comintern, just like supporting jihad now, of course. Directly not so much. About disunity of Jews and self destructiveness of their nation, see the Old Testament. Maybe the New one as well.
Those who say opposing the Brothers is in Israeli but not U.S. Interests — how myopic can you be? The U.S. is on MB’s enemy list (cf. the memorandum, Qutb etc.) and not because it is Israel’s protector, but because it is the land of the free and not of Submission (Islam) . With America weak, the struggle (jihad) to remove obstacles to spread and then domination of Islam, goes much easier.
America is Islam’s enemy for exactly the same reason Jews were Mohammed’s enemy — because they put up stronger resistance to the propaganda and to the plunder than the rest.
“We are certain – with the grace of Allah – that we shall prevail over the Jews and over those fighting with them”
Allah decide on your ass getting kick the last several time you fought. Make that EVERY time you fought. It will get kicked again the next time too. The only real question is will Muslims get the Message Allah is sending?
As for the wife/goat thingie, they look so much alike it is easy to see where the confusion comes from. Here is a hint. Wiffie is the one in a burlap sack with a mask on. If the lights are out, remember the goat smells better.
left-wing ideology refusal to understand the menace of revolutionary Islamism is rooted on their hate of individual freedoms. For them any ideology that opposes free market capitalism is superior and must be embraced. As they say in Middle east enemy of my enemy is my friend. And this is what we are seeing in the pages of NYT , college campuses and on the halls of Washington DC, the coalition of Radical Islam and American Left. That’s includes Obama. Unfortunately the future of Egypt is not any brighter than Iraq, Syria or Libya.
Perhaps, and I am just spit balling here but perhaps we should stop assuming that the liberal media is not ignorant or just wrong. Perhaps we should consider that they are simply complicit in an organized effort to reshape humanity at the expense of human beings. If you follow the dominos it will lead to a very bloody place that we may not want to go to, but may inevitably be forced to entertain.
So right- false preachers always declare a vague War on Sin.
They will change human nature through force- whether licentiousness on the right, or ‘racism’ and wealth on the left.
If we assess honestly what has happened…
Of course, such an honest accounting of Moslem behavior seldom if ever happens. It’s as if 1,400 yrs of genuine threats and periodic bloodletting didn’t happen. The 70 million Hindus who were killed during the Moghul, weren’t. The expansion into Persia, the East Indies, the Caucusus and Balkans, that was just because it’s a compelling religion.
That’s the magic of Islam: enforced self-censorship of Infidels who remain silent and conciliatory even though they’re the ones with everything to lose.
We Americans are the ones to blame for this. 2 billion dollars of aid yearly since Carter was POTUS. All wasted on expensive military equipment. Was it really aid to Egypt or support for defense contractors?
That money should have been spent on economic aid so Egypt could have a growing, properous economy. Now they have a lot of useless tanks & jets and a starving population.
Is anyone surprised they elected an islamic radical?
They elected an Islamist obviously because over a half of them agree with his beliefs. Economic problems don’t directly lead to electing an Islamist or a fanatic religious radical of any other persuasion. They’re more likely to lead to socialism or in other cases to adopting liberal free market models. Economic devastation is very unlikely to lead to the idea that apostates from Islam should get the death penalty, that little girls should get clitoridectomy and that alcohol should be banned. The root cause for all this is in the Middle Eastern Islamic culture. It’s absurd to blame the rise of Islamism on American aid. What’s next?
See my screen name as an answer to your pathetic question.
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Egypt doesn’t have a monopoly on bad judgment: 52% 0f us voted for Obama. Aren’t we just as stupid? He’s had about the same effect on the U.S. economy as the MB holding all levers of power in Egypt would, while being only a hair friendlier toward Israel. And it was all pretty foreseeable, for those who wanted to look.
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Egypt doesn’t have a monopoly on bad judgment: 52% 0f us voted for Obama.”
The thought of that scares me this coming November.
I’m 80 years old, and I cannot ever remember a President of ours so empty of any qualification…..any qualification at all, but still….. that 52% voted for that empty “charisma”.
Thank you Obama for Masri, thank you for the Arab Spring. You have certainly brought change and I hope one day you’ll also have a neighbouring country such as Egypt in spring.
Here is proof of a job well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9znepNvkrxI
Maybe you can you use it in one of your campaign ads.
Ps. To show my gratitude Ill be setting aside some money 4U even though im part of the 99%.
Peace and love
“It is time, though, to start thinking of U.S. interests.”
We have not had a President who thought of U.S. interests since Ronald Reagan. Does this author really believe that the head chimp would think of putting our
interests above that of any other. To our current headache in the White House placing America’s interest behind all others IS in our best interests!
BR is correct. And we can say in general, reading western commentaries is a giant waste of time. I recommend reading the atimes.com (Asia Times) and newspapers from India, the Asians are much cleverer than us and understand which way the wind is blowing globally. I used to read the Israeli papers but they now have their heads up their baxides dealing only with peripheral matters.
Another good source of news, although somewhat propagandistic is Rt (Russia Today), also the China CCTV news in English.
It would be nice if the middle east mattered. It may to Europe or China who need the oil but not to the USA. To heck with them all. I doubt an undeveloped country can really be democratic. Perhaps such a place can start to become developed, like China, India, Brazil, or Russia, but to expect anything like other systems (USA, or EU, or Japan) which combine internal freedom with some progress and relative democracy is I think expecting too much.
I doubt Egypt could ever matter that much. Too few resources.
“It is time, though, to start thinking of U.S. interests.”
We have not had a President who thought of U.S. interests since Ronald Reagan. Does this author really believe that the head chimp would think of putting our
interests above that of any other. To our current headache in the White House placing America’s interest behind all others IS in our best interests!
Fortunately for us Mr. Obama has lost so much moral authority that no one beyond our sovereign boundaries pay any attention to him. We here do but only because we have to.
” HITLER FOR PEACE, HE TELLS ENVOYS; Replying to New Year Greeting, He Sees No Problem That Can Not Be Amicably Settled. SALUTES STORM TROOPS Fuehrer Gets Ovation as He Appears on Balcony After Diplomatic Reception.
By OTTO D. TOLISCHUS.Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES. ”
January 02, 1935
The more things change the more they stay the same.
“They ignore the fully documented fact that al-Mursi campaigned on a basis of hatred for America, fundamentally transforming Egypt into a Sharia state, going to war with Israel, and spreading revolution throughout the region.”
And of course politicians always keep their campaign promises….
I believe that Egypt should have their own catastrophe free of our interference, something they can conjure of any actions we take.
Name islamic country where their is peace and property. One billon convert to islam have no thinking power afraid to leave islam as they will be killed. West should find a way to release these bondages.
The 2 main islamic countries I can think of that are not totally screwed up are Turkey, and Indonesia, mainly because they both were heavily influenced by the West, and were never under the thumb of the Islamicist radicals in Iran or Saudi Arabia. Turkey was also lucky to have one very good leader, Ataturk, who put them on the path to westernization and secularism when the sultan fell. Unfortunately both of those nations seem to be going in a more Islamicist direction lately, and might end up being screwed up as well.
londinstani when you guys learn how to fight, granted you guys are good at what you do but we are better. i guess you guys didn’t learn anything in Fallujah. pay attention our economy was wrecked in the years preceding WW11. see you in hell blind boy
Why do people believe that a Western Education will improve people of antithetical cultures? Haiti’s Papa Doc went to the University of Michican. Syria’s Assad trained as a British Opthamologists. The London aiport bomber was an MD. also. (I have a theory that M.D.’s Architects and Engineers are inherantly Authoriterian (especially if they can be the Authority.
I disagree. MD’s, Architects and Engineers are in the professional class of worker and the great majority live for the perfection of their crafts and subsequently being rewarded by the adoring recognition of their peers. As an engineer, I long noted the general disdain in our ranks for those in power who would interfere with the pursuit of technological advancements, either by managerial stupidity, or the nearsighted withholding of funds for implementing “proper” solutions.
Authoritarian despots, naturally, can spring from any class, but statistically your group is decidedly in the minority. In the American Senate/Congress, for instance, there are over 200 lawyers, 94 educators….but only 16 MD’s, 5 engineers, and no architects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_States_Congress
By the way, there are some nuances concerning word usage. Being “the” authority on a topic, or being “an” authority, or being “in” authority, are usually considered to be good things. Being authoritarian, of course, has negative connotations.
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I am a secular Egyptian who was part of January 25 revolution and later joined the Egyptian social democratic party. I, among others, are in disbelief that the American administration showed their support for the muslim brotherhood (MB) and their candidate during the elections completely ignoring the facts of their anti-american, anti peace treaty, advocating war against Israel slogans, the visits of Hamas leaders to the MB clerics and the list can go on; let alone their long history in Egypt and other countries in the middle east and their behavior seeking monopoly of power in the recent months. The “moderate” islamic candidate, Abdel Moneim Abulfotoh, refused to call Bin Laden a terrorist in an interview “he MAY have used violence in the name of the religion”, I’m not sure what their hard core leaders think of Bin Laden then. Most European embassies in Egypt contacted the newly emerging parties to understand their position since there formation, we were never approached by the American embassy but Khairat El Shater, the mastermind of the MB and their Deputy, is a more or less a regular visitor there. Jimmy Carter during his visit to Egypt to observe elections visited their party and none of the others. If the American administration think that this is the way for democracy, equal rights and social justice, they are in for a big surprise. If the deals go on between the MB and the Supreme Council of Armed Forces (SCAF) another oppressive regime is waiting around the corner only being different from Mubarak’s in the way of oppression. Instead of a police state, they will be using religious rhetorics further deepening the strife. American administration: wake up before it is too late.
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