I just finished reading a terrifying new book about climate change. I learned this:
• Climate change is happening faster than we realize and it will have catastrophic consequences for mankind.
• There’s very little we can do to stop it at this late stage, but we might be able to save ourselves if we immediately take these necessary and drastic steps:
- Increase our reliance on alternative energy sources and stop using so much oil and other carbon-based fuels;
- Adopt energy-efficient practices in all aspects of our lives, however inconvenient;
- Impose punitive taxes on inefficient or polluting activities to discourage them;
- Funnel large sums of money from developed nations like the U.S. to Third World nations;
- In general embrace all environmental causes.
You of course recognize these as the solutions most often recommended to ameliorate the looming crisis of Global Warming. But there’s a little glitch in my narrative. Because although the book I read was indeed about climate change, it wasn’t about Global Warming at all; it was instead about “The Coming of the New Ice Age,” and it isn’t exactly “new” — it was published in 1977.
The Solution Remains the Same
As many other pundits and analysts have pointed out, in the mid-to-late 1970s we endured a massive “climate change scare” that was the exact opposite of the one we’re enduring now. Back then, the media and activists trumpeted the arrival of a new ice age, with the specter of ice sheets and glaciers covering half the northern hemisphere, and brutal winters in the remaining ice-free zones.
The fact that the media and popular culture and academia have veered from one panic-inducing disaster scenario to another one which completely contradicts the first one is funny enough in its own right. But reading The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age opened my eyes to an even more significant aspect of this serial crisis-mongering:
The “solutions” prescribed to solve both Global Warming and the looming Ice Age are exactly the same.
In both cases, proponents of the theory-du-jour say that in order to stave off disaster, we must reverse the march of civilization, stop our profligate use of carbon-based fuels, cede power and money from the First World to the Third World, and wherever possible revert to a Luddite pre-industrial lifestyle.
I realized: The solution (commit civilizational suicide) always remains the same; all that differs are the wildly divergent purported “crises” proffered up to justify the imposition of the solution.
Seen from this angle, the entire Climate Change field should be more properly reframed thus:
In order to weaken and eventually destroy the existing industrialized nations, we must devise an ecological “crisis” so severe that only voluntary economic suicide can solve it; and if this first crisis doesn’t materialize as planned, then devise another, and another, even if they flatly contradict our previous claims.
I had long suspected that this is the most accurate characterization of Climate Changeology; but reading The New Ice Age clinched it for me. The true purpose of climate change disaster-mongering is to permanently cripple the First World, and to elevate the Third World, in order to create a planet with no economic inequality. The goal remains constant; the supposed imminent catastrophes justifying it come and go as needed.
Below, I’ll present scanned pages from the book so you can see for yourself.
The scenario we’re in reminds me of the classic Twilight Zone episode called “The Midnight Sun”: At first we see the characters sweltering in increasingly unbearable heat as the Earth, knocked out of its orbit, slowly plummets into the sun. Just as they are all about to burn to death, in typical Twilight Zone fashion, the lead character wakes up — she had in fact merely been having a fever dream about the world getting hotter; in reality, the Earth had been knocked away from the sun, and they’re all going to freeze to death. Ha ha — gotcha! Just as in the narratives spun by the climate change catastrophists, the Earth is doomed either way, even though the disaster scenario flips from one extreme to its exact opposite. Hot, cold, whatever; one way or the other, Mother Nature will wreak revenge on us for our hubris!
Ice Ages Are Making a Comeback
Turns out my choice of reading material (discovered recently at a rummage sale for 25¢, in case you’re curious) was fortuitous, as climate change — and ice ages — are suddenly back in the headlines this past week. And the news is not good for the crisis-mongers.
First we learned that the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide is actually helping us stave off the next inevitable ice age by a few years. Yes, you read that right: the “runaway global warming” scenario is now off the table; a new ice age is coming for sure, and whatever human warming effects there may be will only make our descent into the deep freeze a little more comfy.
Then, in a different breakthrough, leading scientists announced the discovery of a heretofore undetected type of molecule in the atmosphere which spurs cloud formation and negates global warming effects. Thanks to something called “Criegee biradicals,” the more we pollute, the more clouds form, and the cooler the planet becomes. Thus, the cumulative effect on the climate due to mankind’s activity: zilch. So for the second time in a week, the entire Anthropogenic Global Warming theory was fatally undermined.
But wait! We’re not done. Next up: A study out of Harvard proving that warming and cooling cycles are caused by orbital wobble and precession of the poles; and that the only reason the next ice age hasn’t arrived quite on schedule yet is due to our beneficial increase in carbon dioxide. Yes, that’s right: more data showing that another ice age is inevitable sooner or later.
A third nail in AGW’s coffin in less than a week? Why wasn’t this front page news?
But brace yourself — because those nails in the coffin were just the opening act. The next bit of news was the real blockbuster, a stake through AGW’s heart:
Now we learn that the world has not warmed at all for the last 15 years, and that the entire recent “global warming” hubbub was totally imaginary. Furthermore, the recent cooling is so significant that we may be headed for — you guessed it — a “mini ice age.”
Still not enough for you? The coup de grace came from our own USDA, which released a new “Plant Hardiness Zone Map” indicating that the mild global warming spike of a few years ago was actually good for plant growth and biodiversity. In other words: Even if we do experience warming, it makes the world a nicer place.
And that was just one week’s news. I wonder what next week will bring?
Now, you’d think that this devastating barrage of body blows would basically bring an end to the whole Global Warming “controversy.”
But no. Because, you see, true believers are nearly impervious to facts. In the midst of all this, the AGW activists and bullies continued their relentless quest to reshape the world’s economic landscape, as if they still had the upper hand. They even launched a witch hunt against “denier” weathermen, threatening to get any TV meteorologists fired unless they present global warming propaganda during their forecasts. Meanwhile, Al Gore continued on his decade-long tirade, declaring that “civilization is at risk” if the presidential candidates don’t cave into his demands immediately. And if you check the Web sites of any number of climate change nonprofits and organizations, they’re all still in hysterical crisis mode about the coming calamity. To them, you see, news stories like the ones we saw this week may come and go, but Global Warming is forever!
Something’s Gotta Give
“Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold,” as William Butler Yeats once wrote. This disconnect between reality and hysteria can’t last forever. As impervious as Global Warmists may be to facts, they’re highly sensitive to their social environment. Eventually, as the general public loses interest in humoring the hysterics, whose status is rapidly dropping from “cutting-edge hipsters” to “embarrassing kooks,” the Alarmists will go into a huddle and emerge with a new crisis scenario so horrifying and immediate that something must be done NOW! And that something, as we learned above, will be the exact same something prescribed to solve the previous crisis.
We already saw the first half of this transition just a short time ago. For years, the crisis peddlers threw all their weight behind the phrase “Global Warming” to describe the looming disaster. But in recent years as data crept in casting some doubt on their prognostications, the phrase “Global Warming” was inconspicuously discarded and replaced with the more flexible “Climate Change.” Voilà! No matter what the weather did, it could be chalked up to “climate change,” because hey, change could go either way, right?
Needless to say, however innocuous “climate change” may have sounded, the activists said Trust us, it’s way worse than mere “global warming,” so the drastic solutions we proposed earlier are still required.
But the ever-growing mountain of evidence pointing to an eventual (naturally occurring) ice age phase in the distant future may trigger yet another huddle among the climate change crowd. Perhaps after a suitable wait, banking on everyone’s short memory, they’ll re-emerge from the huddle this time dropping “Climate Change” for something ice-age themed, like “Accelerated Glaciation,” or perhaps “Man-Made Chill Factor.”
And you can guarantee that they’ll have a solution for this new crisis; and it will be the exact same solution they announced for climate change, and for global warming before that, and yes, for the looming ice age they worried about the previous time back in the ’70s: De-industrialize the First World, end civilization as we know it, and cede power to “the global south,” i.e. the Third World.
The Evidence
To prepare you for this eventuality, I hereby present scans from The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age, published in 1977 and written by “The Impact Team,” a coalition of authors from various fields.
Each scan below is taken from a page in The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age; click on any image to see the passage in context on the full page.
Under each passage I’ll make a few comments; but in general, the text speaks for itself.
Think of this as a warning from the past. Not a warning about looming ice ages, but rather a warning to ignore politically motivated disaster-mongers.

Put the words “Conspiracy” and “CIA” on a 1970s book cover, and you’ve got a guaranteed bestseller.

The thesis of the book is that ices ages are the long-term norm, punctuated by very brief warm spells; the one we’re in now is quickly coming to an end.

The ol’ “appeal to authority” trick was just as common back then as it is today: “Many climatologists believe that since the sixties the world has been slipping toward a new ice age.” When you combine “many climatologists” with “the CIA” you have pretty much an unimpeachable case.

The evidence — it is overwhelming.

Oh no! Here comes the ice! Doom!

Armadillos are the previous panic’s polar bears. One always needs a cutesy “charismatic megafauna” to symbolize any crisis.

Perhaps NBF (“Neo-Boreal Freeze”) will be the new AGW (“Anthropogenic Global Warming”).

“And this ice sheet only has to reach a thickness of twelve inches to make a major new ice age irreversible. It is believed that the process could take only seven or ten years.” My God, at that rate — we’ll be in a new ice age by 1984!

Massive disaster scenarios like this are par for the course in the climate change field. Even extreme outlying possibilities have to be taken into account in our preparations.

Almost every country in the world (with the exception of the hottest areas) will suffer either “Obliteration by ice sheet,” or “Extensive Glaciation,” or “Severe Drought,” or “Parts Glaciated; Parts Drought-stricken.”

Interestingly, the “Impact Team” also gives space to the other faction of climatologists — whom they dub the “hot-earth men,” a primitive term for “Global Warmists.” The hot-earth men are the mortal enemies of the “cool-earth men,” i.e. the ice age predictors, who are obviously more correct and who are therefore given the soapbox throughout the book. What we see here in 1977 is an interesting historical pivot point: The crisis-mongers needed an ecological disaster to hype, and at that moment in history there were two factions battling for the microphone, each trumpeting the exact opposite scenario: the “hot-earth men” and the “cool-earth men.” The media weighed the two views, decided that the cool-earth men had more evidence, more team members and a better argument, and so ran with the “new ice age” story. When that didn’t pan out, they later dumped the cool-earth men and embraced their rivals.

In the three snippets above we see the standard theory of that era: That man-made pollution causes more dust and aerosols in the atmosphere, which end up blocking sunlight and cause a cooling effect that outweighs any warming effect. Needless to say, in the current era, the sun-blocking aspect of pollution is pooh-poohed and the greenhouse effect championed.

In the passages above the authors give a full explanation of the “hot-earth men”‘s theory about potential global warming. They lay this out as a backup plan; just in case the ice age doesn’t arrive, they would still be able to claim they they predicted the opposite as well. Like a fortune-teller who tells you that you’ll make a fortune betting on the stock market, but there’s also a slim possibility that you’ll lose everything; whatever happens, she can say “I told you so!”

And here we get to to gist of the book: the “solution” to the crisis. The remaining scans spell out all the steps we need to take to survive the upcoming ice age, and — who could have guessed? — they’re the exact same steps we now need to take to survive global warming! And the same verbiage and terminology is used as well: Americans are “junkies” who are “addicted” to oil, and the evil corporations dupe us into extravagance. Et cetera, and so forth.

We’re running out of oil; the Europeans are so much more advanced and frugal than us; we’re going broke paying for our overuse of fossil fuels; you know the drill.

My God, solar power won’t solve our energy needs for another 20 years? That’s not until 1997! How can we survive until then?
On a more serious note, pay close attention to the sentence interrupted by this caption: the authors see the need for “legislation…specifying fuel selection and consumption.” This is the exact same wet dream of the Global Warming alarmists today.

Wait just a minute — you said this book was from 1977. But look: it refers to “Governor Jerry Brown of California.” He’s the governor right now, in 2012! So you must be lying — this must be a brand-new book!
“Now we must reduce our standard of living in small ways — lowered room temperatures, fewer gadgets, smaller cars — and in big ways — legislated home improvements, energy-use taxes, and staggered working hours.”
Sound familiar?


In order to stave off the next ice age, we must “add an ecology tax to each ton [of coal] extracted…to repair the damage done.” This is the precursor to today’s “carbon tax,” which as we all know is necessary to stave off global warming.
The remaining recommendations are partly in line with modern alarmists’ demands, but are not yet fully formed; the authors are still open to the idea of increased domestic oil production. Shocking!

The authors still need some schooling to catch up to the modern way of thinking: there is still some optimism amid the pessimism.

And so it begins: “the need for major coordinated international efforts to cope with climatic change.” Fast forward a few decades: Kyoto, Durban, the IPCC — [face palm].

“It is probable that only by supplying aid on an unparalleled scale can the rich nations of the world assist the poor…. America must address itself to a massive program of agricultural and economic assistance….”

This section is amazingly prescient: “The United States government must level with its citizens and explain that all man’s reserves are finite. Given the Earth’s natural limitations, our current phenomenal rate of waste, inherent in our current consumption of both fossil fuels and food, must stop. … In addition, it is probable that taxes should be based on the horsepower and corresponding energy efficiency of automobiles. Energy prices must be raised to reflect America’s energy import bill and the scarcity value of fossil fuels.” As you remark to yourself that this sounds remarkably similar to our current government policy, remind yourself that this was proposed in 1977 to combat a looming ice age.

It’s incredible how the wet dreams of the crisis-mongers back then so closely resemble the wet dreams of today. A fast food tax, a big house tax, federal laws enforcing energy restrictions….

“Shower, Don’t Bathe.” Ah, the ’70s. Nostalgia!

This list could be taken almost verbatim from any number of modern-day global-warming alarmist groups.












Has someone told Algore?
Al and other member of “The Church of Climatology” are currently on a pilgrimage to Antarctica. Gaia be praised. All hail Pope Al Gore.
I agree with Al Gore, the earth is endanger of global warming . . . every time he opens his mouth!
I keep a copy of this book in my classroom and show it to my students in an attempt to counter all the propaganda they receive in their other classes. I tell them that when I was in high school, they were trying to scare us with global cooling and to not buy the hype. The sky is not falling.
Al Gore knows, as do the rest of them. It is why they changed the name from global warming to climate change. Since climate change does not indicate any direction, warmer or cooler, they are covered no matter how the data comes out.
I remember studying such dire possibilities in school in the mid 1970′s. The AGW crowd is trying to spook us with the opposite scenario today.
The fact is that the earth’s climate has been changing by degrees up and down throughout the history of our planet. About every 40,000 years we have an ice age. The last one ended around 16,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years. Many climate scientists believe we are on the edge of another ice age at this time. Ice ages are far more destructive to our planet than warming periods. The planet will only have to cool by a couple of degrees to usher in another period of time where arctic ice expands exponentially.
The scientific community has a minority contingent that recieves grant money by crying wolf about global warming. The sooner we understand that fact and demand proof of their theories (instead of being decieved by hockey stick graphs) the better off we all will be.
Seems to me that climate “scientists” should devote their attention exclusively to understanding the factors that cause ice ages and make them recede, instead of their fatasies about AGW. It would actually be useful to know ahead of time when the planet is going into the next ice age.
But I guess it doesn’t pay as well as making stuff up so Algore can get rich and one-worlders can expand their power.
Do you realize that you are expecting these “scientists,” to actually work?
I thought I had been here before!
P.S. Will be turning off my electric typewriter when I’m done, thanks.
Green Socialism is always the answer somehow.
Ever hear of pumpkin chunkin?
I think it is time to start a new pastime called “watermelon” chunkin.
I think that most of us posessed of a modicum of sanity recognize by now that the whole ‘climate change’ issue is merely another horse that state supremacists and other elminiationist monsters choose to ride in their quest for the power of life and death (mostly death, as modern times have so clearly shown).
Zombie, I don’t know how you could read all that bull hockey and not starve to death from all the vomiting it must have induced. I salute you (and your gastrointestinal fortitude!)
Two things that immediately jump out at me:
1) Since when does the CIA care about weather and climate? Was El Nino slipping top secret microfilm to the Russkies back in the seventies? Were the long term cooling effects of volcanic dust implicated in secret cables presented during the Rosenberg trial? WTH?
2) I like how the map of mass destruction follows along national boundaries almost perfectly. So whereas all of Canada would be utterly destroyed by ice sheets, all of the contiguous United States would suffer “extensive glaciation” (even those areas that are situated at similar latitude and longitude as their obliterated Canadian fellows), and all of Mexico would suffer from “parts glaciated, parts drought-stricken,” defined right along the Rio Grande. No variation at the coasts or inland over different types of terrain. You’d think the Impact Group would have at least TRIED to blend the countries together. After all, aren’t they all for the “One World Order” concept of no borders or boundaries? Or did they perhaps think that their readers would be too stupid to find America on a map without national borders drawn in? I suspect the latter, given how much weed, LSD and blow the average “intellectual” was ingesting in the 70′s.
Actually, I think the Impact Group just went ahead and hired a second grader to color in a map of the world using four colors: one to indicate “cold places,” one to indicate “hot places,” one to indicate “places that are nice” and one to indicate “places that I don’t really know.” Then they just took those colors, translated them into black and white patterns, and slapped them on a map (with a little variation around the Andes and Himalayas so that no one could accuse them of hiring a second grader to color in a map, since “Second graders don’t even know what the Andes or the Himalayas ARE, you anti-intellectual RUBE.”)
CIA cares about world economic conditions and crop harvests in estimating stability. Russian wheat harvest forecasts were typical Cold War fodder.
Don’t you really mean Soviet wheat non-harvests? Seems I recall shipping them fleets of wheat ships, all on credit. Did we get paid?
The CIA was a correct about this as it was about Pakistan, India and North Korea never getting nuclear weapons. Now that I think about it, it does belong with the coolists/warmists. Buzzards of a feather flock together, I say.
All this evidence that man made global warming “models” may be having a tough time dealing with reality makes it clear, God has a sense of humor.
I think God is smiling at just how “smart” we humans think we are.
Never, ever, mess with God’s Department of Irony. They are some mean little bastards!
They sit up there, watching for every jerk to say something like, “There’s no way THAT can ever happen”, and then set to work to make “that” happen.
I imagine some tiny little guys, like munchkins, running around raining down misery on the overly confident and foolish. For their own good, of course. We’re talkin’ Heaven here, after all. But I want to sign up for that job. What FUN!
I want to mess with Algore, first.
Never mess with the Department of Irony!
I like Anonymous’ term “Green Socialism”. Mark Levin wrote about environmentalism and conservationism in “Liberty and Tyranny”. It is all about increasing statism and, more obvious in recent years, redistributing wealth from richer to poorer nations. And global warming is just the latest incarnation of this secular religion. In addition to global cooling, we had pollution, overpopulation, Y2K, various epidemics, and nuclear holocaust.
Go talk to the founder of Greenpeace. He’ll tell you how the organization was taken over by communists after the Berlin Wall fell.
Perhaps one day the figurative red on the inside, green on the outside watermelons of the world will be dealt with by the figurative Gallaghers. Splat!
I’m often amazed at the rank ignorance that is displayed by the climate deniers of which Zombie seems to bathe himself. Heck just last week the Wall St Journal had a piece by 16 world renowned climate deniers of which several got their funding from Exxon and on one had a peered reviewed paper published in the last 20 odd years regarding climate.
Of course Zombie brings up a 1977 book based on 1977 technology. Thankfully he doesn’t read about the predictions about computer and computer chips back then. Heck in the 1950’s they were saying why would the world need more than a few computers back then.
Well times have changed and so has technology and being able to collect data. In understand when facts and science are bandied about the ignorant like Zombie bury their heads because science may get complicated and heck didn’t in snow somewhere last week? Well the science is improving and the great thing about the rigors of science that scientist make names for themselves when they can disprove theories – Einstein certainly did as well as Galileo and there are many others. You see Zombie scientists often argue with themselves as it strengthens the science and their methods. What hasn’t happened is any real science coming from the deniers. Just not there but what is there is deceit and cherry picking of evidence.
I mentioned the Wall St Journal article by those science frauds last week and 255 scientists also offered a rebuttal but Wall St refused to print it as it didn’t fit their beliefs. The article also gave cover to the usual misfits to say see no warming – such as Fox, Alex Jones and others of that ilk.
Nice to see ignorance is bliss. I can’t wait until you tell us it hasn’t been warming for the last ten years like those idiots did so I can correct you again. Aren’t you at all embarrassed posting this stuff?
Brilliant satire!
Flamer does do a stunning job, doesn’t he? You almost think he believes it.
Yes, the science is improving and it’s showing there isn’t any warming. The much-vaunted Met Office even published their new data (along with tons of qualifiers). The fact of the matter is that the temp of the earth hasn’t changed much, if any, in the past 10 years.
The reason why those people may not have published much in climate science is twofold- their careers are not riding on the existence of AGW, so they can call it like they see it; and (as the Mann emails point out) the literature has been manipulated to exclude those papers, not to mention their writers denigrated by being called such things as “deniers” instead of simply scientists who have an alternative viewpoint.
I’ve witnessed many hotly-contested scientific theories, but I honestly have never seen supposed scientists act the way AGW advocates have acted in public- at least in modern times. I don’t care if they think the world is literally going to hell in a handbasket- their job is not to eviscerate their opponents- it’s to argue the facts, and they will speak for themselves.
My favorite passages from the Daily Mail article:
“Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.”
Let’s keep it quiet, shall we?
“Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.”
Oh, no! We need massive global social justice now!!! It’s climate change/global cooling/Marxist opportunity!
Why don’t we wait 20 years and see what science says then. Oh, wait!, we need to act NOW! Just like we needed to act 20 years ago to stop Global Cooling. How many times do we need to smell it before we realize it’s all merde.
“Well times have changed…”
True, but one thing remains the same, and that’s the unbelievable stupidity of liberals. That’s one constant in an ever-changing world.
Arrogance does not become you, FL. Neither do your numerous misstatements.
“…of which several got their funding from Exxon….” I suppose the fact that the AGW advocates enriched themselves off the public teat while self-admittedly manufacturing crises makes them as clean as a fluffy white lamb despite their pigpen surroundings.
“…and on [sic] one had a peered reviewed paper published in the last 20 odd years regarding climate.” I have published peer-reviewed scientific papers; have you? I can tell you that the AGW advocates’ corruption of the peer review process was particularly odious and despicable to me. If your living depended on the integrity of that process, perhaps you would appreciate it more.
“Well [sic] times have changed and so has technology and being able to collect data.” Unfortunately, human nature has not changed, and frauds and deceivers are still about, some of whom call themselves scientists. That’s the point of showing the 1977 book. As the old saying goes, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” The 1977 book means that this is twice, and they are going for #3. I’m surprised you missed this simple point.
“You see [sic] Zombie [sic] scientists often argue with themselves as it strengthens the science and their methods.” Too bad Michael Mann and Phil Jones tried to throw a wrench into this very process by crooked, corrupt and probably illegal methods. They violated pretty much every point in the Code of Ethics for their profession. Instead of submitting to meaningful peer review, they tried to strangle it.
“Nice to see ignorance is bliss.” It certainly is more pleasant to be around blissful people than around perpetual petulance in the service of ideology. As far as being informed, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist, or any other kind of super-duper intellect for that matter, to recognize that the basic AGW thesis is false. All you need is a rudimentary knowledge of the Medieval Warm period, which can be obtained with a fifth grade geography, in which one learns names like “Greenland,” or a high school knowledge of history that mentions the River Thames Frost Fairs. If warming can happen naturally back then, it can happen naturally now. That’s really all there is to it. If you know some statistics, then it can be stated this way: the null hypothesis must be that any warming observed is natural in origin, since it has happened before. The very attempts of Jones, Mann et al. to remove the Medieval Warm period shows that they did not have the data to beat the null hypothesis.
To see your way clear of the AGW fraud, you don’t need more knowledge of science, except to realize that your “scientists” don’t follow their own procedure. I suggest rather that your anthropology–your understanding of human nature–is your weak point. Even after Climategate 1 and 2, you don’t realize that you’ve been had. When the Soviet Union finally foundered from the weight of the Big Lie, the communists and other wet statist rats scurried aboard the Green movement. Unfortunately, they carried their plagues of deceit and slavery along with them. That they protest so much merely reveals their underlying agenda.
Unfortunately, there really is a sucker born every minute. Don’t be one.
Flaming Idiot, leftist and knowledgeable are not synonyms, leftist and smart are not synonyms, leftists and correct are not synonyms. You useful idiots who buy the watermelons’ crap are simply stupid; you’ve achieved a level of ignorance and, worse, superstition not seen in the Western World since the World was lit only by fire. You’ve just substituted the priests in silk and clouded in incense with grant whoring communist professors. We who are products of the enlightenment rather than the feudal heritage of communism don’t need some Ivy League “better” to intercede for us so that we may know truth any more than the peasantry of Europe needed the priests to intercede for them with God. You can only hope that we unlike those from whom you take your heritage don’t decide to eliminate heretics. Some of us do, however, have a good supply of firewood laid in.
“Flaming Idiot, leftist and knowledgeable are not synonyms, leftist and smart are not synonyms, leftists and correct are not synonyms.”
Art, I think I would take that one step further and note that the words in question aren’t only not synonyms, they are, in fact, antonyms.
Flamy is a textbook case of just how not knowledgable, not smart, and not correct leftoids are.
I am guessing you are lovelyearth. Love your satire, post more often!
It never fails to amuse me how many miss your point.
I dunno, with Lovely Earth, you know it’s satire, good satire, but pretty obviously satire. This either has taken the satire to an all new lever or really is a lefty useful idiot, I’m leaning towards useful idiot.
No, not satire, because there’s no wit (or brevity). Trolling for conservative reactions, perhaps, but without humor, no satire.
Satire?! I wish I knew how to tell.
“those science frauds”
Astounding, the sort of psychopathology which can call Lindzen a “fraud” and hail genuine frauds like Mann and Hansen.
Just thinking/wondering if all of these ice sheets form, where does all that water come from? If it would come from the oceans, then would not the ocean levels drop, if they drop there would be different land. So drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would/might be on dry land.
If someone has an answer let me know.
Yes, ice sheets make the low-lying ocean areas into dry land.
For example, the English Channel is known to have been dry during the last ice age. Settlements have been found there, but obviously, they are hard to explore. Archeologists think that many of the clues to how people lived 20,000 years ago are underwater today, because people during those times would often congregate close to the shores since shell fish are an easy and protein-rich source of food. There may be more ancient human habitation sites under water than on land.
Another interesting case is the Black Sea. Many think that the Black Sea only filled in about 7,000 years ago when the rising Mediterranean broke through the Dardanelles Strait and rushed into what had been a massive plain below sea level The event might be one of the roots of flood stories which are common in mythologies around the world. Some think that people fleeing the rising waters populated or displaced peoples in Europe and even reached countries like India.
Not only that, but the entire Mediterranean Sea itself was once likely a low-lying dry plain, inundated permanently by a mind-boggling flood 5 million years ago.
Here in the Pacific Northwest we live with the threat of catacysm. Many of the landscape features of western
Washington were formed when the lake covering Montana drained out
Through the columbia river gorge. Google potholes park.
It would seem Gaia is not all sweetness and light. Let’s not forget the Yellowstone caldera, in the natural things to concern us.
Robert…
Or the New Madrid fault that caused the 7.5-8.0 magnitude earthquake in 1811. If that same earthquake were to hit the east coast today, quite a lot of damage would occur.
There are remains of villages currently covered by 60+ feet of water in the Gulf of Mexico, and I suspect more in deeper water. If I was a betting man, I would say Pro is right; more evidence of early humans is below water today than above.
Archaeologists are trying to get funding to explore those submersed dwellings to search for SUV’s, heat pumps and gas stations to prove their theories about global warming. The Obama administration is compiling a 1.7 trillion dollar loan to fund it.
(sarc)
I’ve always been skeptical of the solution for Global Warming.
If the climate were cooling would the Green Marxists advocate for burning more fossil fuel or mass deforestation to increase CO2 and counteract the cooling? Hell no since their agenda doesn’t change only the hysteria.
“I say bring on global warming! I’ll grow oranges in Alaska!”
Dale from the first episode of King of the Hill
In the past few years, PBS has aired an episode of NOVA, discussing the discovery of dinosaur bones in Alaska. The show theorizes that the climate back then was considerably warmer and that the large beasties migrated there for food. Nothing is said, specifically about WHY the climate was warmer but they even discuss continental drift with a time-lapes graphic that shows where the fossils were found is actually further south than where they were when deposited.
If Alaska was father north so many millions of years ago, and had deciduous trees and such, and a much warmer climate, and man had yet to appear on the face of the earth, how was it that the earth was so much warmer? Seems a basic question that has no definitive answer.
Yet the fruit-loop left demands it’s man causing it now.
Here’s an exercise for the liberals:
It gets warmer.
It gets cooler.
(repeat)
When I briefly studied physics, one of the professors said on the first day of class said, “Everything in nature is cyclical. There is a rhythm to the universe and the study of physics helps us to understand that rhythm.”
If Alaska was father north so many millions of years ago, and had deciduous trees and such, and a much warmer climate, and man had yet to appear on the face of the earth, how was it that the earth was so much warmer? Seems a basic question that has no definitive answer.
Global temperatures back then were driven by the methane from dinosaur flatulence, don’t you know? That’s fully in line with AGW.
/sarc
But in order to study physics in nature, one must get to differential equations. This is way too complicated a form of thinking for Liberals, who think that it would be swell if everyone worked for Google, never considering that there would be no buildings, power, food, desks, or anything else if we did.
Most of our problems come from charlatan scientists pulling the wool over the eyes of people whose only mathematical model is 2+2=4. They see a trend line, and because they are only looking at one tiny segment, which appears straight, they simply extend that line infinitely. Retirement planners work that scam, too. They always fail to see that inflation and unforseen world events will probably overtake your dopey 401K before their puny little interest scam actually pays off. If you have a private plan, you keep working. If you are a government employee, you get the money anyway, from the poor schmuck who’s still working.
Anything worth studying is cyclicle, but how many people can think in DEs? Besides, how many correct possible answers exist to any formula that complex? How do we pick the right one? Something tells me that Jim Bob down at the fillin’ station, who by the way has the vote, will pick whatever one he’s told.
That’s why the Press has become so dangerous. And J-school grads are stupider than Jim Bob.
It’s all hubris. Every age thinks it knows everything, yet the next age always proves them wrong. It’s past time for a little humility. But humility doesn’t pay nearly as well as hubris, so we’re screwed.
Make a note to keep an eye on your plumbing fixtures. They have a mind of their own and apparently, opposable thumbs, as well:
“Showers use far less water than tubs. Fine-spray nozzles use far less water than strong-spray ones.”
I find the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s revision of the Plant Hardiness Zone Map to be the kicker. You may want to rely on the revised map for planting annuals, but if you are planting perennials, or trees (particularly fruit trees) I would be tempted to stick with the old Zone Map, or even taking the old Zone Map classification for your locale and plan on a zone one/half or one full category colder. For instance, I intend to plant some apple trees in my back yard this spring. I live in Zone 4. Since apple trees take several years to mature, I am going to choose apple varieties which are currently classified as acceptable for Zone 3.
My reasoning is this. When crowds get swept up into manias of ideas or investment, the greatest crazed behavior is just prior to the peak of an idea or a market. For instance, a couple years ago, I saw advertisements for investing in Florida real estate, no, or minimal money down, guaranteed returns, sure-thing results, etc. Likewise, a few years ago, I remember dining in a restaurant with my wife while we eavesdropped on someone at the next table crowing about how much a sure-thing it was to go into tremendous debt to finance a large addition to his home because you couldn’t go wrong. It was a sure-thing. But, as we know, the market went bust.
In the late 1920s, before office buildings had automatic elevators, the elevator operator often gave out tips on the latest sure-thing stock. Even the shoe-shine boys gave stock tips. Does anyone remember the Great Depression which soon followed?
Several hundred years ago in the Netherlands, people paid fortunes for prize tulip bulbs. This became a mad speculation. People traded their money, their gold, and their real estate in a frenzied pursuit of the perfect tulip–a certain black tulip. It was a sure thing. You guessed it. Bust!
Today, the global warming crowd has commandeered society’s resources to pursue their religious frenzy—global warming. The end of the earth prophets such as Al Gore ride the crest of the wave of panic. Sure-thing. Obama mortgages our future on electric cars and solar panels. Sure-thing. Municipalities all across the nation have us religiously separating all sorts of refuse as methodically as a Christian believer lighting a votive candle as he enters a church. Salvation is a sure-thing. Damnation for non-believers is equally as certain.
Here is the long and the short of it. As I said, I live in Zone 4. This winter has been the mildest winter in years. I don’t take it as a sure sign of global warming. I consider it an anomaly. (In fact, I consider the recent massive solar magnetic storm and the consequent terrific northern lights display a greater omen of colder times ahead.) I won’t be discarding my winter clothes. I won’t be throwing out my snow shovels and I certainly won’t be selling my snow-blower.
Hey, don’t diss Florida.
If it gets colder, we’ll just switch from oranges to some other fruit. I’ll miss the tropical varieties, true. May have to buy a sweater. Still probably won’t need a snow shovel.
If it gets warmer, and all the ice melts (har!), my house is closer to the beach. We’ll have righteous waves and some cool coral reefs to explore.
Either way, win/win for the Sunshine State!
Enjoy your frozen tundra, sir.
My father, who passed away in 2006, was a petroleum geologist with an array of college degrees and extensive experience in his field. I remember him reading this book in the ’70s and laughing out loud at the notions and ‘solutions’ in the book. When asked about it I remember he told me that, yes ice ages are cyclical and the Earth was probably due for one, but they take many centuries to develop and progress and then many centuries to end. The fossil record of past ice ages is extensive and thoroughly researched. What it comes down to ultimately is that one shouldn’t believe anything promulgated by ‘climatologists’; instead, ask a geologist. When the scare-mongering shifted from ice ages in the ’70s to AGW in the late ’80s and ’90s, my dad laughed it off too. He thought they were all ‘full of it’ and were only in it for the money.
I would think that being a geologist would give your dad a pretty unique perspective about a lot of mankind’s inflated sense of self-importance. As in, “Get over yourself already.”
Actually, there is some evidence that glaciations can come on within 50 years or less.
It might get cold in a hurry, but glaciers are ice made of water that evaporated from the ocean, and water evaporates at a slower rate when the air is cold. So, there probably would be permenant snow fields, but there would also be “arctic deserts”, for centuries, because there just isn’t much snow falling. Local variation. South Alaska would be glaciated pronto, interior Canada and the US midwest might take a while.
Zombie, you write: “The true purpose of climate change disaster-mongering is to permanently cripple the First World, and to elevate the Third World, in order to create a planet with no economic inequality.”
Close, but not quite. That’s the outward argument to appeal to the international masses, but it is not the ultimate goal behind the strategy.
The calls for the First World to hand over their wealth to the Third World are part of the Left’s overall One World Government strategy. Just like Democrats buy the (domestic) poor’s votes with tax and spend redistribution, so are OWG’ers attempting to buy the (eventual) votes of the (much more numerous) Third Worlders.
The only thing the global Left lacks at the moment is the political and military power to force global wealth redistribution, which if they could ever pull it off would create a permanent ruling elite populated by Leftists. Then, that ruling class would skim off the redistributed funds to enrich themselves, just like the government class is doing in the US of A and other First World countries.
The Left needs the votes of the Third World because most First World countries seem to be waking up to Margaret Thatcher’s quip: “The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.”
Or, to put not too fine a spin on it, precisely as the world’s most infamous “redistributors” did in Soviet Russia. The “nomenklatura” and then the 99% – just what today’s Dems are seeking.
I’m a scientist and generally inclined to believe my colleagues on various issues. However, being a scientist also made me exquisitely sensitive to these kinds of alarming claims and rhetoric. It’s that over-zealousness and intolerance of dissent that made me question AGW in the first place. I can’t ever recall such mass antiscientific behavior coming from a group of scientists ever before, at least in my lifetime.
This whole episode is going to cast a long shadow on the public’s perception of science for decades to come.
Amen — the anti-scientific smearing of skeptics has been one of the biggest “tells” that the whole thing is a scam. I only hope some of these activists posing as scientists will have the class to apologize to everyone they’ve slimed.
“…cast a long shadow on the public’s perception of science for decades to come.”
I have not heard many say that before, but yes, that is the primary sin here. One for which I hope the AGW crowd burns for, in hell or at a stake. They are damaging the already shaky credibility of science in the public’s mind, which will lead to incalculable misery.
BINGO –
between the AGW crap, fraudulent drug studies, payments/payola to academics of all ilks, and lobbying as science promotion, the general public that remembers anything from Earth Science or General Biology is rightfully in full laughter as to the legitimacy of all of Big Science.
And these are the folks that demand that your medical care follow “Evidenced-based Guidelines” from the medical literature and Big Medicine committees – with even greater skepticism as a result.
I believe it’s generational, Dana. The people who are tenured professors still have that angst that arose from the arguments they had with their parents in the 60′s and 70′s about what they should do with their lives and all that. Dad and mom told them to “Get a job, raise a family, be respectable. No more of this permanent student stuff.”
Coupled with that is the fact that as a junior resident professor, eating mac & cheese and living in run-down apartments and houses just wasn’t satisfying, and then watching students graduate, move on with their lives and never looking back at the blessings said professor had given them in their education made them a little more bitter.
Then, AGW started to become the thing. Certain vocal advocates gave it a louder public voice and the rubes started to buy into it, as did the politicians who saw it as a way to control money. And they did. The AGW club became a fast-growing membership-only type thing. And federal grant money started pouring in and professors in colleges started living the life they felt they deserved. A new car, a mortgage, status and respectability. Wow..who could ask for more?
Well, they did. In fact, they demanded it. Nothing propagates more noise than illegitimacy. So as soon as their theories and ideas started getting criticized, they had to come up with ways to quiet that down. At risk was not the academic world, or the advance of knowledge but the lifestyles of the not-so-rich-and-famous professors who had grown accustomed to ridiculous salaries and funding grants, all clad in the cloth of a big, fat lie.
In order to promote the lie, you have to believe the lie, at least a little bit. So they do. But their cause has long swerved away from the altruism of that once young post-grad wanting to change the world through higher education and research (pronounced, no labor, just lots of reading and field-trips), but they have become apparatchiks in a far more sinister plot. Not their intent, for they were just looking to maximize their income and had a pseudo-legit way of doing it without doing more or more difficult work.
So, it makes them believe that they have attained something of respectability that allows them to dismiss their parents’ notions of “honest work=honest pay” conservatism that they rejected so many decades ago. If their parents were alive today, they would use every opportunity to flaunt it in front of their “really backwards, uncool old man” in order to demand his respect.
But many of them have found that that didn’t happen; That their parents, if still living (of WWII vintage) still don’t think being a career student and lecturer is an honest living. They are as disconnected as parents and offspring can be. They chose to be “research climatologists” and that is where their lot lays. It is enjoying a brief boom but will eventually return back to the austere salary level that college profs historically held.
Everything is cyclical.
I couldn’t agree more that the whole AGW thing has damaged scientific credibility, but it’s only one part of the problem. I’m skeptical toward evolutionary theory, however it’s mainly because its proponents feel the need to demand I believe it. The lease persuasive form of argument is to put a gun in my face and order me to believe or else. Scientists have done this over and over by allying themselves with political movements in hopes of more and better grants, or more and better press coverage, etc. Like lawyers, too many scientists have become mercnaries, spouting whatever the highest bidder decides. There’s a reason you can always find a psychiatrist to say an offender is both sane and insane in any trial where the question arises. Not that psychology is actually a science, but it is perceived as one by most people. The point being that experts in general have lost their luster by showing up on both or even twenty sides of every issue. Evolution and psychology are the primary culprits, in my opinion, because in too many areas they are enforced by law, which is of course force dressed up in pretty clothes. AGW is just one more example, and until a majority of visible scientists become skeptical enquirers instead of brutally partisan advocates their credibility will continue to diminish.
I accept the reality of evolution, and I DON’T demand that you believe in it.
Evolution exists as a basic mechanism of the universe whether anyone “believes” in it or not.
Furthermore, unlike proponents of AGW, people who accept the reality of evolution make no monetary (or other, really) demands on society. Evolution is not connected to the budget, to taxes, to social policy, or anything else. It’s simply an aspect of biology. The only people who make it a political football are those who DON’T accept evolution.
Nonsense. There are far more creationists trying to force their beliefs on we who do not wish it. That includes many of of we Catholics.
“The “solutions” prescribed to solve both Global Warming and the looming Ice Age are exactly the same.”
Um, yah. I noticed that years ago. It the same solutions they offer for all the eco-scares: empower the state, impoverish the people, and shut up.
and not just eco-scares. Remember the “catastrophic population growth” meme from the Club of Rome (and others)?
Solution: forced sterilisation, redistribution of wealth and land, licensing of children, government mandated agricultural production, diet, etc. etc.
And of course that one shares with the ecomadness the same ultimate solution: the reduction of mankind to a fraction of its current number, no more than a few million worldwide (and guess who that few million will be composed of…).
The Global Warming crowd is full of leftists who use this as a crisis to impose government controls on our behavior in order to bring about their communist/socialist agenda. They can’t even predict the weather correctly for a week at a time. How can anyone believe that they can predict the future weather with any degree of accuracy.
The area beneath my feet has been the bottom of the ocean five times. One wonders who sounded the alarm then.
The climate change con game reminds me of that pre-history shaman who, relying on the fears of the tribesmen, would cast dire prophesy unless sacrifices to unknowable gods were made. The shaman and the con-game continue. The new false god is science as an all knowing absolute with computer driven models.
Geologic time cast 10,000 years as a moment, which does not fit into todays news cycles. The rubes remain the same, the huckster remains the same, the false gods remain false. Truth and the forces of nature remain pervasive.
Almost. The new false god is “nature”, or “the earth”, embodied by “the climate”. The computer models are its Holy Relics, the “climate scientists” its cast of priests.
There’s something amazingly bullshitty about this wedding.
Its just that I cant put my finger on what it is exactly.
all i can tell is that it just smells so occupyish
..yet it all looks so good.
Maybe you guys can help
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Woodside = the most exclusive, expensive city in California, if not the country.
Probably the whole thing was set up as a promotional photo shoot for the various designers mentioned, and the couple got to have a fancy wedding thrown in the deal for free.
It was interesting to see these wedding pictures…I see what you mean by the Occupyish look with the tents and all. But the groom is a wealthy geeky Facebook vicepresident…and I was amazed how they try to look so much like hillbillies…
Zombie: Best rant evah! and right on. This nefarious scam needs to end and some charlatans sent to prison for defalcating government funds. The Earth will do what it will; we should be studying the whys and wherefores of climate, not of “global warming” (this is a self-perpetuating undertaking). Real science, not preordained results!
Marxism has always been inherently Luddite.
The only use they have for science is to control the population or to dress up their demands that non-Marxists destroy themselves so the Marxists can focus on internal purges.
Global warming, global cooling, global stability, any of it is always “proof” that we must return to subsistence farming with limited industrialization and surplus farming to sustain the nomenklatura.
Any recommendations along that line should always be checked for Marxist influence. It will inevitably be discovered, at which point simply checking of the “science” will reveal equally inevitable massive flaws.
The basis of the article is something like ‘the scientific community thought some thing different in 1970 and now thinks something else, so we can’t rely on science.’
I do not agree with AGW hypothesis but this is not the way look at it. Evidence is what it is. Interpretation takes some skill but is subject to bias. Application is something else.
I am an application oriented person.
The second basis of the article is something like ‘either way the solutions do not work’. Agree with that. Energy is dynamic now, volatile and untold riches to be had there. Market will determine the next big thing if government can stay out of the way.
No, that’s not my point at all. As I say clearly in the essay, my point is that the supposed “solutions” to the supposed “problem” always remain the same, regardless of whatever perceived problem is predominant at any moment. Even completely opposite “problems” are magically cured by the same actions. If the solutions never change, then the equations leading to them are irrelevant and peripheral.
The second point is that, over and over again, unsure and non-confirmed theories are frequently exaggerated into wild disaster scenarios, usually for political objectives.
The third point — that some scientists were so sure of themselves back then, and turned out to be wrong, and now they’re so sure of themselves once again, and yet deny any possibility of being wrong this time — is only presented for amusement value, and is not the primary point of the essay.
Yes but I still think all of it is part of the process Zombie.
Energy is the new plastic.
When the disease diagnosis is 180 degrees out of phase but the recommended (no, demanded) “cure” is exactly the same, then the science is suspect.
I was thinking of discussing it in mathematical terms in the essay, but decided against it at the last minute.
What I was gonna say is:
The solution to both crises remains exactly the same, even when the crises are the exact opposite of each other. Rendered algebraically, that would be:
Let x be the solution.
Let a be the first crisis.
Let -a be the second (opposite value) crisis.
Thus, we have, simply
a = x
…and…
-a = x
By the commutative rule, that leads to
a = -a
The only real number that satisfies that equation is zero:
0 = -0
Thus the “crises” are equal to zero, i.e. they don’t exist.
You are my new hero. It doesnt get better than that.
Zombie, I’ve been a fan of yours since the days you used to infiltrate anti-Bush protests in the mid-aughts and post them to zombietime.com. I think you’re awesome, and I live in the Bay Area and have always dreamed of one day having a cup of coffee with you (I don’t mean that in a flirting way, it’s just that I don’t drink. You can have a beer.)
I also think the real aims of the Green movement are to undo as much of industrial civilization as possible. I think the Green movement is fundamentally anti-human and anti-progress.
Anyway, I say all that so you know that this criticism comes from a place of the utmost admiration and respect, and not as a flame by a leftist troll.
Your algebraic analogy is really clever, but it doesn’t actually work. You can’t let ‘=’ stand for ‘is solved by’ and still expect it to have the standard properties of an equivalence relation.
Here’s an example of what this means:
“Fruit prices so high that the fruit rots in the warehouses and the black market thrives, can be cured by abolishing government control of fruit prices.”
“Fruit prices so low that long lines form at shops and the black market thrives, can be cured by abolishing government control of fruit prices.”
One can consistently assert that both are true.
Real world problems, even seemingly opposite problems, *can* have similar solutions. The problem with environmentalism is not primarily that they always propose the same solution, it’s that their solution is horrendous and would cause immense suffering and misery.
My prediction:
The next crisis will be called “Climate Stagnation,” characterized by weather patterns that (gasp!) stay the same. Horrors!
With Climate Stagnation, ecosystems never change, so evolution can’t proceed, leading to “genetic cul-de-sacs”; weather never varies over time, so you can never plant new types of vegetables in your garden and never take vacations in formerly inhospitable climes; and most distressingly of all, it’s really boring.
In order to combat Climate Stagnation, everybody must hand all their cash to someone with a darker skin tone than themselves, and beg for absolution by not bathing, living in a cave, and only eating kelp and algae.
Lol, since there is not enough caves to go around, I suggest some low lying ditches for protection. There is a plus for the low lying ditches, there is some good filth down there.
Actually AGW want climate stagnation. They want to think that the Earth is in climate stasis and that no animals should ever become extinct — ignoring the fact that roughly 99.9% of all life that has existed on earth has become extinct.
My main question to the AGW people is: What temperature should the earth be? The temperature during the Jurassic,? During one of the ice ages? The temperature during the 16th century? Really what is the current global temperature supposed to be?
zombie,
Well done. Another piece in the AGW puzzle. Just prior to AGW the other big scares were, Nuclear Winter and the corollary movement Nuclear Freeze. As we learned after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Nuclear Freeze movement was in large part funded and directed out of Lefortovo, KGB Headquarters.
The Soviet collapse took the wind out of Nuclear Winter and Nuclear Freeze. Many of the players then moved naturally to Global Warming. Keeping the same agenda items intact.
The climate hysterics have a single solution, Statism. Agenda of the Marxists is very similar, so they found fellow travelers and a comfortable home to hide in with the AGW movement.
It’s not just a single solution, it’s a singular Marxist solution.
And then there was acid rain, whose chief causes were said to be sulfur and nitrogen oxides. Those are emitted by cars, factories, and power plants. Therefore, the solution was to shut down as much industry as possible.
Interestingly enough, one of the mitigation strategy proposals I’ve read involved injecting S02 into the atmosphere to block incoming solar radiation! That sounds like rolling back the anti-pollution controls enected on fossil plants since the 80′s
biggie smalls
You are ALL wrong…
It is ALL a Jewish plot to rule the world…
It was ALL exposed in the “Protocols Of The Life of Brian.”
The truth is ALL in there…
Dennis can teach us a little also.
Arthur: Well we all are… We are all Britons… And I am your king.
Woman: I didn’t know we had a king… I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Dennis: You’re foolin’ yourself. We’re livin’ in a dictatorship! A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes…
Woman: (interrupting) Oh there you go, bringing class into it again…
I think we’ll see a release from the Climate Whores saying “Because the United States failed to ratify the Kyoto Treaty and stop Global Warming the Earth stopped it for us by triggering Global Cooling. It will be bad, much worse than it should have been but the Deniers had their say and now look at the result!. Next time maybe you’ll listen to the experts!”
Not tea bags! Gaia: “Fix it or I’ll fix it for you, and you won’t like the result!”
Such a temperamental thing she is!
You’re fighting a losing battle: the Left has long since moved on from Global Warming to a thing called Climate Change. Knowing their science was uncertain, the Left has resorted to the same type of semantic gibberish that always ensures they are right no matter what actually is taking place.
They just make stuff up; racism where there is none and which the Left in fact indulges in wholesale, Islamophobia where there is none and which Islam itself indulges in wholesale by way of a very real Christianophobia.
Call me when there is a National Association For the Advancement of White People that celebrities fawn over. Then I’ll believe in Global Warming and that pigs fly. What nuttier than people who formally organize around race who cry racism at those who don’t? That’s why even more semantic gibberish has been invented to account for an actual conspicuous lack of racism by white folks and Conservatives. Let me make a short list regarding semantics:
Dog-whistles, code, colorblind racism, white privilege, The New Confederacy, The New Jim Crow, Racism 2.0. That’s right, even with Orwell as a blueprint they don’t get it. It’s Newspeak in all its glory.
A vote for the Democratic Party is a vote for Oceania.
Yes, global warming/cooling is a menace – or something.
The politicization of climate science to advance the agenda of the day or fuel 2 minute hate sessions against THEM has rendered it worthless.
This, combined with the fact that climate modelling today is where physics was before Newton and the development of calculus, makes predictions on Global warming/cooling not worth the paper they are written on.
Advances in our understanding of weather patterns and the behaviour of the sun may lead to climate models accurate enough to actually have value by 2030 or so.
Until then…
Just so fur comes back into fashion.
Josh, you heretic! You’re not allowed to harm furry animals, they’re cute. And of course you’re not allowed to drive that bear from his cave, nor to make a fire.
Both are BAD.
Report immediately to reeducation location #4284A1 for a full T3732AQ session.
There’s a place for all God’s creatures: right next to the mashed potatoes.
Anyhoo…we’re in the same place we were when all this Glue-ball Warming hoo hah started.
If our data is correct and past trends hold up, we are going to enter a glacial period (soon) that’s going to last for tens of thousands of years…and, it’s going to get real, real cold. My advice: invest heavily in companies that manufacture ski equipment. It’ll probably pay off over the next few thousand years as we move out of the current interglacial period.
AGW hypothesis may be correct, but there’s no scientific data supporting the hypothesis (and there isn’t going to be any…impossible to verify by experimentation).
As far as attempting to evaluate the hypothesis using non-scientific techniques, we do have good data on atmospheric CO2, and we have temperature data that is completely useless (hopelessly inaccurate, and also deliberately manipulated and changed, partly in an attempt to “prove” that AGW is real), so it’s impossible to say if there’s anything to it. We also think that there is no case in the past where an increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases caused temperatures to change. On the contrary, it looks like changes in temperature cause changes in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (based on some pretty sketchy data…and also, unfortunately, unverifiable by applying scientific experimentation), and that doesn’t tend to support the case for the AGW hypothesis. There’s some revisionist speculation that that might not be correct, but the speculation looks like it’s based on a desire to accomodate AGW theory, not based on actual observations, at least according to what I’ve read.
IOW…nothing’s changed on the AGW hysteria front, including the rabid devotion of AGW true believers like Flaming Nitwit.
trying to make literal coherence of the left’s constant shenanigans makes me think of spinal tap trying to find the stage in cleveland
Hopefully we have now turned the corner on the AGW CO2 garbage ‘science.’ I really hope it soon takes its place beside those more cerebral sciences such as phrenology, palm reading, and string theory.
The only question now is how do we stop the Global Climate Change hysteria from the greenie-freekies? I would offer the suggestion: baseball bats. It may be the only way short of killing the messengers.
Needless to say, I do not approve of anything involving baseball bats; but I stopped short of deleting the comment and am (for now at least) leaving it up as an example of what I suspect is a “moby” attempt.
When the ice comes, those baseball bats (wooden ones that is) are going to be very popular to fuel the fires people need to stay warm
Nice idea, but the idiots in California have already passed laws disallowing fireplaces in all newly constructed homes/buildings. So it will be impossible to heat your home the old fashioned way – once all the fossil fuel sources are also outlawed. You just can’t win with Leftists. You certainly can’t argue with them. So my question is – if you can’t argue/persuade/have civil discourse with people who are actively trying to harm you – what can you do? Pick up your ball and go home. Slink away quietly and freeze to death? Or do you play ball? I’m starting to lean towards the latter.
improvise. A few flagstones on the ground and a cracked window are all you need if things get really bad. People’ve got by like that for thousands of years, if we have to go back to the stone age according to the greenies we’ll have to get used to it again.
Zombie, what about red buttons ala 10 10 10?
Sorry, they are allowed metaphors of killing people by blowing them up but we are not allowed to suggest baseball bats.
My bad.
Well, first of all I don’t know what a “moby” is. Second, I wasn’t kidding all that much. Violence should only be used in situations where it is needed to stop a greater evil. Third, perhaps I should explain the context of my thinking.
How many lives could have been saved if such techniques and tactics had been used on those that pushed for a ban on DDT? Think malaria. A lot of people in Africa were impacted, and in a devastating way, from the DDT ban.
Now, the greenie-freekies are wanting to keep those same countries from developing their natural resources, resources that could be a benefit to people that are desperately poor, barely eking out a living, and a suffering from a much shortened life span because of their situation.
If taking baseball bats to the greenie-freekies, be it kneecaps or some other part of the anatomy, helps keep other people alive, better their standard of living, giving them a chance to enter the modern world of health care, education for their children, etc… I would not be adverse to such tactics.
Which political-social philosophy was responsible for the billy-club wielding thugs in Philadelphia intimidating voters? Or the SEIU-thugs assaulting TEA party protesters in Wisconsin. Or who could forget the SEIU-thugs beating that black gentleman to a pulp in St. Louis?
When war is forced on you, you either choose to fight back or live as a slave. I would hope that simply voting for the right people, marginalizing the AGW idiots, would solve the problem. I seriously doubt voting is the answer. A madness seems to be sweeping the industrialized world.
Now, you can take this down, or leave it up. Your call and I have no ill feelings if you choose to take all of this down. But, there is a war going on. Choose which side you favor and do your best for that side. Sometimes, life is kinda rough. My written words do infinitely less damage and harm than what will done if these people are allowed free reign.
I’ll leave it up, to allow you to explain your position. But I’d like to reiterate that I myself only metaphorically “fight” with words and pictures, and not with fists or weapons.
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Orwell, more or less.
Dems imagine their own brand of sweet reason obviates the need for violent self-defense. They are frequently disabused of the illusion, but unable to retain the lesson.
Nuke them from orbit – it’s the only way to be sure!
There is a masochistic streak in these AGW folks, I tell you. There is a hatred of everything about the Western Civilization, including themselves. They endure (or wish to endure) suffering which will bring an end to West and thus end their self-hatred. But if their belief in AGW is merely a manifestation of masochism, perhaps we can “cure” them by finding an alternative form of masochism to indulge in. Perhaps publicly-funded S&M could put a stop to this nonsense…costly, perhaps. But it is surely less expensive than alternative energy and transferring wealth to third-world countries.
I remember having to read The Population Bomb by Paul Ehrlich while in college back in the day. Another one I had to read was Silent Spring by Rachel Carson.
The scare tactics continue – they are the tools of the left. Nothing new in that. A big thank you to Zombie for illustrating the fact that there is nothing new under the sun – or in the modus operandi of the left. Simply no imagination in those folk. Playing a one note trumpet is boring and fewer are listening to them as time goes on.
The Goracle must be very lonely…
Oh wait. He’s got Laurie David to commiserate with…along with those millions he’s screwed people out of. I wonder how well he sleeps at night.
“(AlGore’s) got Laurie David to commiserate with…along with those millions he’s screwed people out of. I wonder how well he sleeps at night?” – on a big pile of money with two young, nubile AGW groupies, that’s how!
“The Gaia hypothesis, also known as Gaia theory or Gaia principle, proposes that all organisms and their inorganic surroundings on Earth are closely integrated to form a single and self-regulating complex system, maintaining the conditions for life on the planet.”
What perplexes me on a metaphysical level is how human activity is always cast as an intrusion on the natural self-regulating order of the world. We are as much a part of Gaia as primeval forests and fluffy little animals. If some mysterious process beyond our comprehension can trigger spontaneous forest-thinning brush fires or instinctive shifts in animal behavior in anticipation of impending climatic trends, then surely human behavior is regulated in the same process. Remember Malthus and his dire predictions of global overpopulation? Economists are now concerned about the opposite trend in industrialized countries, which will have a more immediate impact on the allocation of the world’s resources than any climate scenario. The hidden hand of Gaia is always at work, and we are not exempt from her machinations. The Big Lie of the watermelon conspiracy is that we are nature’s unwanted guests rather than her progeny. All hail the Great Mother (hi mom)!
What perplexes me on a metaphysical level is how human activity is always cast as an intrusion on the natural self-regulating order of the world. We are as much a part of Gaia as primeval forests and fluffy little animals.
If a beaver builds a dam, that’s nature and good. If humans build a dam, that’s unnatural and therefore bad. I think a great part of it comes from species self-hatred plus a desire for utopia (literal meaning “no where”). A lot of the greens hate people in general. Some of the more extreme have talked about how much better the world would be if billions of people died off. If you notice, they never volunteer to do the dying themselves, they just want everyone else to die.
Marxists often say that communism failed because “the right people weren’t in charge”, meaning everything would’ve worked fine if they were the ones running things. The more rabid Greens believe Earth would be a paradise (for them) if we got rid of everyone else. What they fail to understand is that the survivers would be condemned to a slow, cold and hungry death because the people who actually do productive things (like make medicine, generate electricity, grow food, etc) would be gone.
“A lot of the greens hate people in general. Some of the more extreme have talked about how much better the world would be if billions of people died off.”
True. But acknowledge that you have your own crowd right here who are bitter about the way our society is right now, the way many (50%?) live and vote, and rant on in ways which explicitly or implicitly suggest or demand their death.
I’ve been coming here for a long time and I’ve yet to see anyone other than suspected Mobys who call for the deaths of billions of people. I have read news accounts of Greens saying these things and getting appause for saying it.
Record-breaking cold in parts of Alaska, but it’s more that the cold is staying up there and not sharing it’s snow-wealth-generating cold with us. Or is it saving us money because we burn less oil and gas?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/coldest-january-on-record-for-parts-of-alaska/2012/01/31/gIQAQVyIfQ_blog.html
YAAAAWWNN Been there done that in the 70′s you folks get back to me on your next great environmental disaster that is only in your head.
I do remember the ’70s, being afraid (as a little kid) of the coming Ice Age.
One huge key with all these doomsday predictions: They are ALWAYS about 10 years away from becoming irreversible and fatal. ALWAYS. Global Warming guys have been saying, since the beginning, that it’s 10 years away. And they still say this. This puts the margin of safety out further than one senate term, two terms of a president, and so on. The 10 year number is invariable, and it’s political at its core.
I remember in the middle of the 1980s being freaked out at a summer camp presentation on de-forestation, the ozone layer and other issues. I ran out of the theater crying, and was comforted by a counselor. Looking back, I have no clue why at the age of 10 or 11, I was being subject to such lectures at camp.
And oddly, the mainly suburban east coast of the US is so heavily treed it’s considered a vast forest. It’s also far more heavily treed than it was one or two hundred years ago, when it was virtually all farmland. So when you see Leftist tripe like Avatar, where the ‘right’ people live in forests, that’s where we actually live already.
You all would enjoy reading Melanie Phillips, book “The world Turned Upside Down” In one chapter she nails the whole GW charade with one hard fact after another.
Tis and twas always so. WE’RE DOOMED!
Thanks for bringing this up, Zombie! I’ve been saying it since the early 90s: the solution is always the same, only the Great Fear changes. At the time it was not AGW, but the Ozone Hole and Acid Rain, and of course the only solution was “WORLD FASCISM NOW!” though naturally they never CALL it fascism. I’d be much more willing to listen to their claims if they ever EVER came up with something new as a solution. All the money wasted on AGW and its boogeyman cousins could’ve produced many potential solutions but that’s not the point. The environmentalist crowd want to be the petty tyrants in charge of our lives, that’s the real purpose of their fear mongering. A solution that doesn’t put them in charge and make them piles of money isn’t worth bothering about.
Ozone Hole — wow, I’d forgotten about that one.
Someone should put together a chronological list of all the ecological “scares” of the last 50 years. Many have been mentioned in this thread already, e.g. Ozone Hole and Acid Rain, etc.
Regarding the ozone hole. I read an article that the severe cold at the North Pole is creating a hole in the ozone layer. Better get those coal plants going. Also, it was amazing, the freon that was so bad for it, was conveniently at the same time that a patent was up. Now we have a new refrigerant to use, surprisingly from the same company where their patent had run out.
Surprising how all these eco scares all of a sudden make certain people big money.
The “ozone hole” scare was a classic example of misinterpretation of the data, i.e. knowing what was happening but assuming the wrong causative agent.
The actual culprit was… the Sun. Ozone (O3) is formed from oxygen (O2) in the uppermost layers of the atmosphere by ionization effects, mainly from the solar wind. It is also volatile and reactive, being an inherently unstable molecule. (It has been experimented with as an oxidizer for liquid rocket fuels, but handling it safely is in the same class with the various fluorine compounds, like chlorine trifluoride aka ClF3- aka “tends to go BOOM if you look at it crosswise”.)
In the upper atmosphere (ionosphere), O3 molecules tend to be free radicals (for reasons too abstruse to go into here). As such, they are very sensitive to energy states. Add a bit of energy (ionization, in other words), and their energy state (velocity) goes up. Often enough to send them into the exosphere, i.e. “space”.
The solar wind ionizes the upper atmosphere. The stronger it is (i.e., the higher the Sun’s energy output), the more O3 goes into low earth orbit. And in the process, the “ozone hole” expands.
When the Sun quiets down, as it has done over the last two decades as we approach the Maunder Minimum, the solar wind eases off. And less O3 is ionized to the point that it escapes to space. Hey, Presto! The ozone hole gets smaller.
The reason this only happens at the poles (both of them, not just the North Pole), is that the rest of the Earth’s atmosphere is protected by the Earth’s basically torus-like (doughnut-shaped) magnetic field, and the Van Allen radiation belts which are held in place by that field. (Those “belts” are also a product of the solar wind, by the way.)
The CFC hysteria arose at a period when the solar wind was in a high-end cycle. The “ozone holes” were indeed getting bigger, just as they had done in every high-wind cycle for millions of years. This time around, however, there were anti-technology hysterics just waiting for a scare to latch on to for propaganda purposes.
It didn’t matter that they had no f’ing idea what was really causing the “hole” to get bigger. All that mattered was that they could blame it on Evil Technology, and use the resulting panic to get laws passed banning something.
The best part from their standpoint was that when the solar wind slacked off, and the “hole” got smaller, they could claim they had done it with their CFC ban. Which actually did exactly nothing, because it had little or nothing to do with the phenomenon to start with.
Do chlorofluorocarbons react with ozone? Yes. Were there enough in the atmosphere to cause the effect observed? Not even close. Did this discrepancy bother the eco-activists? Surely you jest.
The moral is that you can never trust “ecological activists”. Even if they know that something they hate isn’t the culprit in their latest crusade, they’ll never admit it. They count on your ignorance and gullibility to give them the power to remake the world into the Utopia they dream of- with them as the nobles, and everybody else as the serfs.
They are con men, pure and simple.
clear ether
eon
The ozone-hole had a different solution. I tend to believe this one just because the solution did not involve the total destruction of our lives. CFCs were outlawed, so a change in refrigerator coolant and aerosol cans. We would probably still be hearing about this problem except that we’re all gonna die from the heat/cold first.
I can’t remember the final solution for acid rain – there may not have been one or more regulation on the evil coal burning plants placated the angry souls. In any case – there was no request to destroy capitalism to cure it.
“Capitalism stands in trial before judges who have the sentence of death in their pockets…. The only success victorious defense can possibly produce is a change in the indictment.” — Joseph Schumpeter
Funny the fear mongering I have seen in the journals recently is all about the North Pole losing all its ice sheets and becoming San Diego. This latest example was in a criminal forensic lab journal this month which is a funny place for climate hysteria but something they always seem to address. Not enough crime to deal with I guess…
Interesting. Personally I believe we are in the end times. Bible says it is gonna get unbearably hot on this planet. I will go with that, can’t see where God has been wrong yet.
Try to silence scientists who question AGW? Sounds like the old Soviet Union under Stalin where scientists who questioned the politically useful but scientficly fraudlent theories of Lysenko were sent to gulags!
Just found this at Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/31/with-suns-activity-set-to-diminish-is-global-cooling-coming/
Gee, solar output affects climate. Who knew?
Fox? FOX? Maybe that’s where Zombie gets his scientific facts from but as you mentioned the sun here is a little scientific article with lots of footnotes from real scientists about the sun. There is an even simpler one but you might need crayons. I know many here would still believe the world is flat after Columbus and Drake but please stop embarrassing us sentient humans who can think.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-intermediate.htm
Oh and I’d like to see Zombie or any of you other fools debate these scientist there. But if you do at least try to act intelligent.
“Fox? FOX?”
Hi Flaming Boot Licker.
Is it true that all Negroes are afraid of spiders and snakes, and that all Asians can’t drive? Too?
“Oh and I’d like to see Zombie or any of you other fools debate these scientist [sic] there. But if you do [sic] at least try to act intelligent [sic].”
FL, cheerleading and sullen insults aren’t a good mix, especially if you’re not cute.
On the contrary, your entries remind me of the character “The Mouth of Sauron” in the Extended Version of Peter Jackson’s movie, The Return of the King. It reads well below, but the stained, yellow and pointed teeth–lots of them–I leave to the imagination:
Aragorn: Let the lord of the Black Lands come forth, that justice be done upon him!
The Mouth of Sauron: My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome. Is there any in this rout with authority to treat with me?
Gandalf: We do not wish to treat with Sauron, Faithless, and Accursed; Tell your master this: The armies of Mordor must disband. He is to depart these lands, never to return.
The Mouth of Sauron: Ahh, old grey beard. I have a token I was bidden to show thee. [Pulls out Frodo's mithril vest and throws it at them]
Pippin: Frodo…
Gandalf: Silence.
Merry: No!
Gandalf: Silence!
The Mouth of Sauron: Ahhh, the halfling was dear to thee, I see. Know that he suffered greatly at the hands of his host. Who knew that one so small could endure so much pain? And he DID Gandalf, he did.
Gimli: [pause; Aragorn rides towards the Mouth of Sauron]
The Mouth of Sauron: And who is this? Isildur’s heir? Hmph! It takes more to make a king that a broken elvish blad -…
[Aragorn decapitates the Mouth of Sauron with a swift stroke of his sword Anduril]
Gimli: I guess that concludes negotiations.
Not advocating violence here; I hope you live safely to a ripe old age. Your ideology, however, taunts us even as it lies and seeks to destroy us all. That is what we will sever from the body politic, with sharp strokes, if we can.
Flaming pseudo-scientist, please avail yourself of a little, you know, actual science by reading about Croll-Milankovitch cycles. They’re well documented. Any college level intro astronomy text book covers them. You can start at wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
You can also read about them in Oceanus Magazine, published online by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. They did quite a bit of ocean and ice science whose results accords with climate cycles in the same timescales the theory predicts. The NASA interwebs used to have a considerable amount of info on them as well, but without looking, I’m guessing the Leftists running NASA right now have removed those pages as heresy.
Finally, as has been mentioned, pick up any serious, college level geology book, even those published 80-100 years ago, and read about the cyclical ice ages that were well documented even then. Ever ask yourself why they occurred? Or why they ended?
“In fact, a number of independent measurements of solar activity indicate the sun has shown a slight cooling trend since 1960, over the same period that global temperatures have been warming. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been moving in opposite directions. An analysis of solar trends concluded that the sun has actually contributed a slight cooling influence in recent decades (Lockwood 2008).”
In fact we don’t have good temperature data OR good data on long term TSI, but we do have rough estimates, and since the 17th century, estimates of an increase in TSI nicely dovetail with estimates of increased atmospheric temperatures.
Assuming the estimates are good (which is a pretty big assumption), they don’t disprove the AGW hypothesis, but they do indicate that factors other than an increase in atmospheric CO2 are driving a POSSIBLE increase in worldwide atmospheric temperatures.
This also fits in with observations that seem to show that past changes in the composition of the atmosphere are DRIVEN by changes in atmospheric temperature, rather than past changes in temperature being driven by changes in atmospheric composition.
IOW, first we see temperatures rise (or fall), THEN we see the level of CO2 rise (or fall), not the other way around. And, that observation STRONGLY disputes the idea that AGW is correct.
As a matter of fact, that observation is one of the reasons that Svante Arrhenius’ (he’s the father of the AGW hypothesis, btw…the supreme prophet of the lefties’ current religion…well he would be, if only he hadn’t said that AGW is a GOOD thing) speculations about changes in atmospheric CO2 CAUSING glacial/interglacial cycles fell out of favor, and that’s also why people started taking the ideas of Croll and Milankovitch seriously.
Flaming Nitwit’s favorite website tries to spin that away…
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
…but, no matter how much they spin, the best available data says that changes in temperature CAUSE atmospheric CO2 to rise or fall…and, not the other way around, much to the dismay of AGW true believers.
I know many here would still believe the world is flat after Columbus and Drake but please stop embarrassing us sentient humans who can think.”
More childish snark from a proud ignoramus! Because you see, ill-educated little bundle of baseless conceit, you display your pinheadedness for all to see- *nobody* in Columbhus’ day thought the world was flat, and the fact you subscribe to that myth is a good indication of the sort of counterfactual rubbish you suck up as long as it fits your constructed adolescent worldview.
“The average global temperature in 2011 was 0.36 C above average, the exact same average as in 1997. In the previous decade, temperatures held fairly steady at around 0.44 C degrees above average.”
That tells you basically nothing, because most weather stations aren’t accurate to within 1 degree centigrade.
Also, temperature data is collected under ever-changing conditions, with ever-changing equipment, which makes it useless…unless you just want to get a rough idea of how warm it is plus or minus a couple of degrees centigrade.
Also, the people that collect the data are constantly tweaking and adjusting the raw data (so it will show what they want it to show), which makes it even more useless.
http://www.surfacestations.org/
Forget about the temperature data. It’s a total joke.
If we really want to find out what’s happening, we need some accurate and precise atmospheric temperature data (using equipment accurate to say 0.1 degrees centigrade, collected under stable conditions…with no tweaking of raw data by guys like James Hansen or Phil Jones), and a long timeframe of observations…which we don’t currently have.
That won’t prove or disprove a cause and effect relationship between rising atmspheric CO2 levels and temperature, but at least we’ll have some decent data to make a wild ass guess from.
It is becoming abundantly clear that the “Climate Change Doomsayers” are manipulating any possible argument to scare the bejesus out of the rest of us. And their prescriptions — as you have so admirably pointed out — are as predicable as they are increasingly boring.
Clearly these people are pushing a political agenda that– as you have noted — would lead us into societal suicide to somehow benefit the “have-nots” of the world.
My question: How does this benefit the doomdayers? If Western Man decides to cash in and sink into economic oblivion, how do the fear-mongers actually benefit? What’s in it, for them? I can see that by playing Casandra, they get their names in the paper and their promised 15-minutes of fame, but what gain would they get if we were fools enough to actually follow their prescriptions? Unless they have holdings in the Third World, won’t their boat sink along with the rest of us?
I’m struggling to see what motivates this self-hatred for who and what they are and the society that has raised and nurtured them.
Somebody help me with this. Please.
They are filled with self-loathing and guilt. They want to be punished for their misdeeds, and then die.
And they want all of us to suffer the same fate.
They are mentally ill.
Yes, Z.
Not to put too fine a point on it. They’re nuts.
I have six siblings, ranging from flaming commie to rightwing Christian zealot. The correlation between their hours spent in a shrink’s couch is directly proportionate to their degree of leftism. The commies spent years, the Christian, none. You would rather spend your evening with the Christian (she’s not preachy, just devout), although it will probably not be nearly as, shall we say, interesting?
It appears to be a developmental disorder, as they never get over childish ways. Their excuses for bad conduct are always the same as a 5 year old’s: I didn’t do it; he did it first; I didn’t have one yesterday, so I took it myself; I didn’t hurt anybody else, did I?; You’re a poopyhead. They almost always work at professions where one cannot be objectively judged, so one can never be proven wrong. It’s not so much that they lie, as they doubt anything so concrete as truth exists.
So, tell me why we waste our time reasoning with them, again? One should not argue with children. One should correct, and if they persist in that behavior, punish them. So, where’s the punishment, now that they’ve been proven wrong every single time they open thier stupid mouths?
Stewart Brand said this in the “Whole Earth Catalog” back in the Seventies;
“We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us back into the Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valleys, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion- happy at last!”
(quoted in “All the Trouble in the World” by P.J. O’Rourke.)
The deep-eco dream is a Stone Age agrarian socialist culture, with themselves as the nobility, living in their fortresses, and the rest of us (whom they graciously allow to survive) as the serfs, living in mud huts and spreading night soil (don’t ask) on the rice paddies by hand.
The fact that such a subsistence level culture could never support even 10% of Earth’s present population is a feature, not a bug, to them. As per Ehrlich’s “Population Bomb”, they think there are just too damned many grotty humans around now, and only they, their own perfect, eco-conscious selves, are truly entitled to exist. (Plus however many slaves they need to do the scut-work, of course.)
Tom Clancy nailed this lot’s delusions in “Rainbow Six” (the original novel, not the later computer games). They are out to Save Holy Mother Gaia, Create Utopia, and Stand Limned Against The Ruins As They Remake The World. (Yes, as John Ringo says, these people think in capital letters.)
They don’t hate themselves. They are convinced that they are perfect.
It’s just the existence of Western Civilization in particular, and the rest of humanity in general, that mortally offends them.
Here’s hoping none of them ever get their hands on any serious biowar agents, as they did in Clancy’s book.
cheers
eon
Crazy Al is just mad because he can’t finish his 2012 hole in the ground without more government bailouts to his friends…
The ice age scare was not mainstream. Just note the word “conspiracy” in the title. You can dig up right wing paperbacks from that era detailing a vast conspiracy involving the Rockefeller family and Jewish international bankers as the source of communism. This was not the mainstream of the political right, however.
Those who think Al Gore dreamed up global warming should get themselves some popcorn and rent a copy of Soylent Green. Note the date: 1973. Global warming was a major plot element in the movie.
Not mainstream?
Really?
You want to talk about ice? Here is a little video that is on TED.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/james_balog_time_lapse_proof_of_extreme_ice_loss.html
It’s about how 95% of the world’s glaciers are losing ice and it’s photographed by a skeptic about 10 years ago but he became smart because he saw it. Oh and yes the predictions were wrong – they were to conservative as the glaciers are receding faster than they thought. Oh and there is one little slide there that goes back 400,000 (ignore this if you only think the world is 7000 years old as many conservatives do) and there is a nice ebb and flow of Co2 going up to about 280PPM and then receding. It does this in conjunction with sea level and temperature. As you may or may not know Co2 at the time of this talk was 385ppm the highest in the last 400,000 and now in 2011 it’s 393ppm. I know I know it’s all gibberish to you but look at the pretty video and educate yourself.
I may be like self deportation except you’re smarter.
Guys who pace back and forth on stage with headset mikes getting their jollies unveiling their incredible wisdom to awestruck acolytes ain’t my thing. (And yes, that includes phony Christian ministers as well as phony ministers in the Church of Global Warming.) This whole “anecdotal photos of sad glaciers” cherry-picking has been roundly debunked so many times it’s not worth our time doing it all over again. It’s one of those classic “seen/unseen” fallacies: It’s oh-so-visible to watch glaciers calving in the summertime; it’s oh-so-invisible to not watch Antarctica accumulating greater than that amount of ice in the snow-blind unseen wintertime.
But that’s fine. Enjoy your pretty pictures. we all have our hobbies.
Actually the camera’s are stationed on 33 glaciers throughout the year and they have records going back to 2006 of pictures that are time lapsed.
But to each their own and sorry for putting your name in the wrong place
Flaming Liberal – put it in the wrong place
Here’s something I’ve always been curious about but have never seen discussed. As glaciers diminish in size, wouldn’t you expect their rate of shrinkage to increase? Consider: the ratio of the volume of ice to the surface area diminishes. Thus a relatively greater amount of ice is exposed to the sun/air and I’d expect it would melt faster as it shrunk. You can observe this after a snowstorm as it warms up. It is also the principle of why most arctic animals are relatively large: a large volume for heat capacity is not matched by the increased surface area. Just a thought. LIke I’ve said, I’ve never seen this discussed. But I could have missed it amongst all the other hysteria.
Actually this is happening as well. As glaciers recede they also shrink in height and a few post ago I put a site on TED that showed that very fact and also that they are going faster. The largest glacier in Greenland has doubled it’s speed in the last 20 years. But it also reduced it’s height by over 400 feet and it was three miles wide.
These glaciers look much like the Hoover dam looks today where the levels are down significantly and one can see about a 100 feet of white rock. On the glaciers one can see lighter rock as well.
I don’t want to seem rude or presumptuous but I think you missed my point. Assuming that we are in an interglacial period and thus a time when temperatures, no matter what they are, do not favor glacier formation (and in fact cause them to retreat), then even if the temperature stayed constant you’d expect the rate of glacial dissolution to accelerate over time. Again, a function of surface/volume.
“It’s about how 95% of the world’s glaciers are losing ice…”
Could be. I’ve never really looked into it. However, that could be a result of natural climate changes (medieval warming period, followed by little ice age, followed by another warming period) that have nothing to do with human activity.
It’s also hard to imagine how a (purported) atmospheric temperature change of LESS than 1 degree centigrade over about 130 years could result in massive melting of glaciers.
Do you believe that all the ice cubes in your fridge are going to melt if you change your thermostat to 0.8 degrees centigrade higher (that’s the purported ammount of temperature change supposedly observed since 1880 according to a National Geographic article I was just reading)? Somehow I doubt it, unless you originally had it set to exactly 0.0 degrees centigrade, then you might see some dramatic changes.
I don’t know what’s going on with glaciers…but, I doubt it has anything to do with a (highly questionable) increase in atmospheric temperature. It’s possible…but, at this point, I doubt it.
Just like the new agricultural zones. If we’re talking about changes of a few degrees every 100 years or so, why would they need to adjust the zones, which are in five degree increments, especially when all the data agree that nothing has warmed AT ALL in the last ten years?
The DOA says it’s because they were using very old data and models (circa 1960) and this is more a correction than a change, but, of course, the NPR story was how all the farmers would have to change their crops, and extrapolated that to a, you guessed it, demand that more money be spent in poor countries teaching them how to grow different crops, so they don’t all starve themselves.
Someone please correct me, but isn’t this what “Chicken Little” was all about? Oh, I guess they were too busy reading “Heather Has Two Mommies”.
Can this crap ever get any stupider?
It seems so.
” there is a nice ebb and flow of Co2 going up to about 280PPM and then receding. It does this in conjunction with sea level and temperature.”
Jeez, laddie, you’re still pushing THAT debunked Algor twaddle?
Do try to keep up: the CO2 increases *lag* the temperature rise by 700-1000 years.
20 years from now the same claim will be made about climate change or whatever euphemism you want to call it. I’ve heard this claim before. Unfortunately, I LIVED through that period and it was hardly a fringe element.
The progressive’s goal is population control. How do they achieve that? By having everyone cede control to them because of an inordinate fear of something. That something could be ‘Nuclear or Global Winter’ or ‘Global Warming or Climate Change’, whatever is effective. The end goal is 500 million population for the whole planet.
Money is power so people would have to be frightened enough to hand over their earnings to the ‘Saviors’ of mankind so they could get about the important work of managing the environment. Of course they’d each have to exceed the optimal ‘energy and carbon footprint’ in order to achieve the desired rescue of Gaia.
You may want to give some thought to the possibly differnet origins of the current (post 1985) version of climatology craze.
Here are a few relevant links:
http://ecofascism.com/review26.html
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/43291
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/secret-history-climate-alarmism
http://greenfraud.blogspot.com/2011/03/not-so-random-walk-through-various.html
The Roman Empire fell in large part because of global cooling. Beginning around 400 AD, winters became so cold that the Rhine River froze over with ice thick enough to support Germanic barbarian hordes and their cattle, who could now cross over into the empire from too many points to be contained by the legions. Shorter growing seasons and smaller harvests meant that the urban centers suffered food shortages and civic unrest. The Dark Ages were, in fact, physically darker and colder.
Periods of global warming have, for the past several thousand years, been beneficial to human civilization. The Midaeval Warming Period which began in the 10th Century AD led to great advances in art, technology, and culture which carried over into the Renaissance. Periods of cooling lead to famines, mass migrations, and societal breakdowns. And all of this has come to pass in the absence of the internal combustion engine.
The sad state of our education system is that the vast bulk of our citizenry have not been given enough basic knowledge about the historical record to be able to independently see through the Chicken Little alarmism of the climate scammers.
I don’t think too much of that theory. First of all the Romans had been fighting barbarians for centuries (and there had been numerous crossings of the Rhine River…frozen or not frozen). Second of all, when the Vandals, Burgundians, Sueves and Alans broke across the Rhine in 406 A.D., the Rhine frontier had (probably) been stripped of troops to deal with the Goths, who were fiddling around in the Balkans and raiding into Italy, and also to deal with an earlier incursion (in 405/406) by the barbarian chieftain, Radagaisus, who came into Italy (probably) via the Hungarian plain. Third of all, the Romas were hampered by disunuity in their attempts to deal with the situation (examples: the execution, by order of the emperor, of their top general, Stilicho, the revolt of Constantine III in 407, which sparked off a civil war). Lastly, the titular head of the western empire, Honorius, was an utter incompetent, who’s idea of how to deal with all this was to hide out in Ravenna and hope it all worked out o.k.
I think all that probably had a little more to do with the collapse of the western empire, and the establishment of barbarian kingdoms in France, Spain, and later in North Africa, than changing weather conditions did.
Glaciers? Caused by vascular plants, but that is supposedly a good thing:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=plants-created-earth-landscapel
Oh wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that some of the contributors to the “Weather Conspiracy” book went on to write for the conspiratorial Ron Paul newsletters. Heh.
Here’s a serious question: Was the “looming ice age” theory the first in line of global disaster theories, with the “Global Warming” theory coming in second, or was there one before the looming ice age theory? Thanks!
I think they were, in order:
DDT
Nuclear Winter
Ice Age
Acid Rain
Ozone Hole
Global Warming
Climate Change
…and several others I’ve mercifully forgotten in the interim.
Great list! Thanks!
> “In order to weaken and eventually destroy the existing industrialized nations, we must devise an ecological “crisis” so severe that only voluntary economic suicide can solve it.”
I’d love it if we can delve into just who this “we” is? Can we name names? Are any of the names the same for the different “impending catastrophes”? If the schemers are different, do we know the political affiliations of each one? Are the people linked somehow?
What is the process of this “devising”? How does it go from a nefarious scheme to a popular theory without anyone catching on?
Not to mention smog, alar, asbestos, pcbs, cyclamates, and a host of other minor ones, ad nauseum.
Their plan is not beginning, it is almost done. For every one of these things, I can name you a major industry that has died for good, and many, many useful things which are now illegal for some stupid reason. All in the name of fairness, safety, health, or the planetary welfare. That many of these hav been not just counter-productive, but anti-productive matters not.
Cyclamates were a danger only to the sugar companies (it could be used in soda recipes directly, without changing the rest of the mix at all, and it had a much longer shelf life than anything else). Diet soda actually tasted better than regular.
Then some big drug companies invested in the technology for nutrasweet, but it was too expensive vs, cyclamates. If you care to look, cyclamates are now perfectly legal, but noone makes them anymore, because of the bad publicity, and their having been previously banned. Actually, cyclamates are safer than nutrasweet, and way cheaper. But you’ll never see them again.
Marxists and crony capitalists go hand in hand. Right now, they’re both wearin’ the green. It’s going to be impossible to stamp this out. You’ll see.
” Can we name names? Are any of the names the same for the different “impending catastrophes”?”
At least three individuals off the top of my head: Stephen Schneider, Michael Oppenheimer, and John Holdren. Toss in Paul Ehrlich for laffs.
Institutionally? The Environmental Defense Fund, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth, as well as Time, Newsweek and the New York Times.
Can I play?
Y2K
atomic bomb in 1944 igniting the entire planet
superconducting supercolider creating a black hole we fall into
Haley’s comet wiping out the Earth with cyanide if not direct collision
Jesus’ second coming in 1000AD or 2000AD
Applegate’s flying saucers
grey goo nanobots
bird flu
swine flu
pet rocks
pay tv
the lambada
armageddon
the yuga
gotterdammerung
ragnarok
I like how the obliterating ice sheets respect the 49th parallel. Sorry Canadians and Patriots fans, but y’all are hosed.
Yes, there are a lot of solutions looking for problems. There’s nothing scientific or rational about a belief system that seeks to impoverish billions of people. It’s a religion. Human beings need faith, they need sin, and they need redemption. Take away belief in the next life and that impulse is channeled into the material world, with disastrous results.
We aren’t that important. The planet is just a big rock in space, like billions of other big rocks. What we do here is dwarfed by natural processes that care not whether we leave the AC on when we aren’t at home.
I like my religions to be honest about what they are. Faith that won’t admit what it is… it’s dishonest.
Great job Zombie! And yes I have seen those articles you mentioned…and was thinking the same thing!
Zombie, I think you’ll really like this quote from Eisenhower:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/dwightdeisenhowerfarewell.html
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
It does seem that scientists have learned the business model too well. They use the same tactics to get the public nickel that businesses used to generate their private quarters. So the phenomena described here will continue, but will happen in both the valid and invalid “discoveries,” so good luck on sorting them out. Clearly, a lot of, let’s say, second-hand smoke, would contribute to health problems, but somewhere the whole thing entered the theater of the absurd. Many here are prepared to simply throw out the baby with the bathwater. I try to separate the two, but it ain’t easy, especially when the cases are made based on the political agendas on each side.
“…but somewhere the whole thing entered the theater of the absurd”…
Oh, yes. The nihilism of Pick It Fence But Theory. Disagree, be passionate, and you enter D- White’s “theater of the absurd”. Sounds like Mr. President Thought has trickled down to Tweedville. You know that last Mr. President was labeled “absurd” too. By…??? Oh yeah, Modern Liberals! The Final Escape Hatch.
Mmm, mmm, mmm. Greasy gin and bathwater at the local cafe. Hmmm, call that drink “The But Maybe”?
Enough will allow you to forget the baby.
Baby! What baby? What data? What?
Blame it on the bossa nova
With it’s magic spell
Well, you can’t deny that you are somewhat absurd. What are you, a true believer? Have you accepted the Lord? Jesus is just alright with me.
Starting with the simplest misrepresentation, one that has been bouncing mindlessly through the right-wing blogosphere.
Zombie: Now we learn that the world has not warmed at all for the last 15 years, and that the entire recent “global warming” hubbub was totally imaginary.
In fact, 2005 and 2010 were both warmer than any previous years, while the first decade of the 21st century was the warmest on record.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/image/g/8/temp-anomaly-large.jpg
But let’s consider climate science from the 1970s. There are many countervailing influences in climate, including orbital variations, aerosols and greenhouse gases. The question in the 1970′s was which was the most important. While an ice age is expected over the next several centuries, of more concern to human planners is the environment over the next few generations. Aerosols from volcanoes have a profound effect on climate, and recent volcanoes have provided a lot of important data. Artificial aerosols from industrialization tend to cool the climate. Meanwhile, greenhouse gases from industrialization tend to warm the planet. The question in the 1970s was which would have the greatest impact over the long run. Some scientists thought cooling was inevitable, but even in the 1970s, the answer was becoming clear; the vast majority of research showed that the greenhouse effect would be more important.
An important prediction of greenhouse warming is a warming lower atmosphere, but a cooling upper atmosphere. And that is what we observe. (Nor is this consistent with changes in solar irradiance.) This NOAA chart might help clarify matters. It shows data from a variety of sources, including satellite, balloon and ground-based instrumentation.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/globalwarming/ar4-fig-3-17.gif
According to Phil Jones, East Anglia University CRU, there has been no “statistically significant” warming from 1995-2009.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
The British Royal Society are also skeptical of AGW, stating that there has been no warming during the past 10 years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1316469/Royal-Society-issues-new-climate-change-guide-admits-uncertainties.html
jarmo: According to Phil Jones, East Anglia University CRU, there has been no “statistically significant” warming from 1995-2009.
Just below statistical significance. When you add 2010, it becomes significant. Also, the trend from 1975-to-present shows a significant increase.
jarmo: The British Royal Society are also skeptical of AGW, stating that there has been no warming during the past 10 years. {link to Daily Mail}
You should always try to refer to the original source.
The Royal Society, Climate change: a summary of the evidence: “The decade 2000-2009 was, globally, around 0.15°C warmer than the decade 1990-1999.”
The Royal Society, Climate change: a summary of the evidence: There is strong evidence that changes in greenhouse gas concentrations due to human activity are the dominant cause of the global warming that has taken place over the last half century. This warming trend is expected to continue as are changes in precipitation over the long term in many regions. Further and more rapid increases in sea level are likely which will have profound implications for coastal communities and ecosystems. It is not possible to determine exactly how much the Earth will warm or exactly how the climate will change in the future, but careful estimates of potential changes and associated uncertainties have been made.”
“In fact, 2005 and 2010 were both warmer than any previous years, while the first decade of the 21st century was the warmest on record.”
Yeah, you can make a graph like that, if you take totally inaccurate temperature measurements, and then tweak the hell out of them.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t really tell you too much.
“But let’s consider climate science…”
Spare me. As Fred notes below, climatology is about as much of a science as astrology.
“An important prediction of greenhouse warming is a warming lower atmosphere, but a cooling upper atmosphere. And that is what we observe.”
You can make satellite data show ANYTHING you want it to show.
“For some time the only available satellite record was the UAH version, which (with early versions of the processing algorithm) showed a global cooling trend for its first decade. Since then, a longer record and a number of corrections to the processing have revised this picture:”–wiki
When the satellite data doesn’t show what they think it ought to show…they simply change the algorithm, by which they derive the temperature, until they get the “right” temperature.
Once again the data is a total joke, it’s being deliberately manipulated, and we’re right back where we started. We don’t even know if temperatures are increasing, we don’t how much they’re increasing if they are, and even if we did know, it still wouldn’t prove the AGW hypothesis.
Climatology is to meteorology as astrology is to astronomy.
The potential threat of collaboration between politicized scientists and government was brought to us by President Dwight D. Eisenhower during his “Industrial-Military Complex” speech of 1961.
“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
The harm of the marriage between government and pseudoscience was not only evident in the philosophy of Nazism, but also in the US during the early 1900s and the “science” of eugenics.
“Its supporters included Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Winston Churchill. It was approved by Supreme Court justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis, who ruled in its favor. The famous names who supported it included Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the telephone; activist Margaret Sanger; botanist Luther Burbank; Leland Stanford, founder of Stanford University; the novelist H. G. Wells; the playwright George Bernard Shaw; and hundreds of others. Nobel Prize winners gave support. Research was backed by the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. The Cold Springs Harbor Institute was built to carry out this research, but important work was also done at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Johns Hopkins. Legislation to address the crisis was passed in states from New York to California.
These efforts had the support of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Medical Association, and the National Research Council.
Today, we know that this famous theory that gained so much support was actually pseudoscience. The crisis it claimed was nonexistent. And the actions taken in the name of theory were morally and criminally wrong. Ultimately, they led to the deaths of millions of people.
The theory was eugenics, and its history is so dreadful — and, to those who were caught up in it, so embarrassing — that it is now rarely discussed. But it is a story that should be well know to every citizen, so that its horrors are not repeated.”
Why Politicized Science is Dangerous”….Michael Crichton
http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-whypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html
Here is Stephen Schneider discussing the book in Nature vol 270 22 December 1977
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Schneider1977.pdf
Very interesting! Worth a read. Thanks for pointing it out.
This Schneider citation is a gem, and it should be required reading for anyone wading into the CAGW issue. Schneider lays out on one page exactly the thesis that Zombie is supporting.
In 1977 Schneider is telling us that modern society is changing the world’s climate, that we are doomed since only the climate of today can support humankind, and he references the solution to this change. Note also that he uses the term Climate Change correctly, just as IPCC adopted the term ten years later.
Interestingly from a historical point of view, he hasn’t yet decided in 1977 which way we are ruining our planet–it’s either going to be too hot or too cold, but science can’t tell us which one yet. So climate change fits like a glove. His thesis in the essay is that the shrieking on either side (too hot or too cold, Chicken Little) will only undermine the Cause since people like Zombie will only use the alarmism from one side to cut down the other side’s arguments. So, Schneider really was prescient!
When exactly did he actually side with the warmists, anyway? Was that before the heat wave of 1988?
At the heart of the climate change creed always was and always will be the ridiculous theory of natural instability. The belief in the optimum conditions and the arrogance that man’s progress and improvement will always tip the world off that delicately precarious teetering point will carry us with equal authority through global warming, global cooling, ocean acidification, ocean alkalinization (why not?), oxygen depletion, sustainable development, species diversity, measles outbreaks, locust plagues and who knows what else. Add to that belief the Environmental Justice movement and we even get a glimpse of Schneider’s absolutely essential, alluded-to, solutions.
Rational beings, of course, record and even read history. We of that ilk notice only that we are in for a long ride on this planet, and it’s a good thing we have evolved the necessary tools for adapting to whatever Nature throws our way.
Yes it is worthwhile, but the author can’t resolve the issue of the pushback against “over-stated scientific certainty” vs. the need to do something such as ban saccharin, warn of the danger of nuclear power plants, and legislate where the Concorde could and could not land. But he certainly comes down for looking at all the facts.
Having kicked around the AGW issue for several years, I am still caught between the “facts” that the climate has always warmed and cooled, vs just how warm things have been recently vs what can realistically be done about it… if we wanted to do something.
Underlying the argument is the conflict between the idea that our resources are finite and we should use them slowly (helped out by taxation and limiting supply” vs the idea that cheap energy is what we all need to prosper. We muddle on, which is what we have ALWAYS done. The Founders were also muddling on; it’s just with them safely 225+ years in the past, we can respect their fairly durable muddling.
Here’s where Schneider et al. got their start:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/GWHoaxBorn.pdf
And to read about the astronomical cycles and ice ages:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/ComingPresentIceAge.pdf
This was hilarious. I thought something was familiar about what we “needed” to do about “Climate Change.” I graduated high school in 1977.
Me too. Do you remember ‘The Weekly Reader’ from your grade school days? I only remember ONE front page story from the Reader. A picture of a wind blown snow field with a question, Are We Enetering a New Ice Age? Distributed to millions of school children across the US about 1970. Not mainstream enough, of course.
OK, so how EXACTLY will “they” explain the mostly 40 degree winter we have had here in the Great Lakes region?? I mean, that speaks more of global warming than global cooling, yet it seems to go largely unnoticed!! Hmmmmm, Al, are you watching the weather??
Anyway, I too believe that the “talking heads” who do nothing but ‘spin’ the Snewz have little idea what they are spinning apart from wanting to keep their jobs!!
“There is strong evidence that changes in greenhouse gas concentrations due to human activity are the dominant cause of the global warming that has taken place over the last half century.”–Royal Society
There is NO scientific evidence whatsoever, demonstrating a cause and effect relationship between ALLEGED global warming and the activities of human beings.
None.
If the Royal Society feels otherwise, they should present their experimental data, which shows a cause and effect relationship, and the methodology employed, and we’ll see if we can reproduce their results.
Sorry for the delay in responding.
Dave Surls: There is NO scientific evidence whatsoever, demonstrating a cause and effect relationship between ALLEGED global warming and the activities of human beings.
This NOAA chart might help clarify matters. It shows data from a variety of sources, including satellite, balloon and ground-based instrumentation.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/globalwarming/ar4-fig-3-17.gif
In particular, note that the lower troposphere is warming, as is the surface. Meanwhile, the stratosphere is cooling, the *signature* of greenhouse warming.
“When enough significant anomalies have accrued against a current paradigm, the scientific discipline is thrown into a state of crisis, according to Kuhn. During this crisis, new ideas, perhaps ones previously discarded, are tried. Eventually a new paradigm is formed, which gains its own new followers, and an intellectual “battle” takes place between the followers of the new paradigm and the hold-outs of the old paradigm.”
From a wikipedia article….
this article might interest you Zombie…
http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/11/29/1975-endangered-atmosphere-conference-where-the-global-warming-hoax-was-born/
“Global Warming” is, and always was, a policy for genocidal reduction of the world’s population. The preposterous claim that human-produced carbon dioxide will broil the Earth, melt the ice caps, and destroy human life, came out of a 1975 conference in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, organized by the influential anthropologist Margaret Mead, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), in 1974.
We are having one of the warmest winters on record here in SW Michigan. No snow, no ice, temps 40′s and 50′s. The rest of the world can have their ice age. We’re fine here.
Zombie, take a look at this critique of this particular book you stumbled up.
Notice the date in the upper right hand corner.
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Schneider1977.pdf
Notice the author- Schneider is one of today’s leading Warmmongers.
My apologies, I missed where someone already posted this upthread.
It’s as simple as this for me: Barack Obama has been in office for nearly four years, and during those times I cannot remember anti-climate-change legislation / executive decisions being mentioned or discussed. If, with somebody like Obama in power, global warming fell entirely off the political map, then it can’t really be a significant issue. It’s being used to bring progressive politicians into power. Once they’re in it’s “Huh? No, bombing Iran and marrying queers is more important.”
“Back then, the media and activists trumpeted the arrival of a new ice age,…”
This is not what the scientists stated or published. This was the “overwrite”
from the newspapers, tabloids and magazines. Only a fool would publish or state an exact future date for the arrival of an ice age. Also, only a fool would try to say these guys were wrong because it has not yet happened.
Humans cannot control the climate, because control of the climate is within the purview of God. Why does He allow climate-caused disasters? I don’t know, you’ll have to ask Him. One thing is for certain, though. If you don’t want to acknowledge God is in control of the weather or even that God exists, then one way is to take the route that man is somehow in control of the weather…even if it defies both logic and reality.
http://ralphhall.house.gov/
Chair of House Science Committee. Ralph knows AGW is bull crap and is not afraid of the Democrats, he was one once upon a time and has enough on them they leave him alone. 80 years old, former carrier pilot in WWII.
connect to http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
Anthony etal may have use of photos of meetings in hallways of the global warming cult members, some of the meetings are in Calif.
Seems Anthony is out there in the ozone area too, also.
Coolies, someone helpfully put all the relevant quotes on one page.
http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html
For easy reference next time someone tells you that these folks using Global Whatevering to implement socialism is crazy talk. Bunch of good quotes in there to help ya point out that these Greenies don’t only hate capitalism, the 1st World, Europeans, Americans, Technology, Industry, or Civilization…they hate the human race.
Quote by Christopher Manes, a writer for Earth First! journal: “The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
Quote by Susan Blakemore, a UK Guardian science journalist: “For the planet’s sake, I hope we have bird flu or some other thing that will reduce the population, because otherwise we’re doomed.”
Quote by Jacques Cousteau, mega-celebrity French scientist: “In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day.”
This takes bigotry to a whole new level. You’re prejudiced against your own species, gratz.
“In order to weaken and eventually destroy the existing industrialized nations, we must devise an ecological “crisis” so severe that only voluntary economic suicide can solve it; and if this first crisis doesn’t materialize as planned, then devise another, and another, even if they flatly contradict our previous claims. ”
^^^this
You can thank Margaret Mead
http://inthesenewtimes.com/2009/11/29/1975-endangered-atmosphere-conference-where-the-global-warming-hoax-was-born/
“What we need from scientists are estimates, presented with sufficient conservatism and plausibility but at the same time as free as possible from internal disagreements that can be exploited by political interests, that will allow us to start building a system of artificial but effective warnings, warnings which will parallel the instincts of animals who flee before the hurricane, pile up a larger store of nuts before a severe winter, or of caterpillars who respond to impending climatic changes by growing thicker coats”
Yeah, but won’t greater amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere increase the likelyhood of a zombie apocalypse? Probably. Here is why:
Zombies clearly do not use normal metabolism to survive, otherwise they could drown. And in all zombie movies they do not drown, nor can they be smothered. Hence, a metabolism that generates it’s own O2!
Which means, just where do zombies get their horrific energy? After all, you shoot them and they keep coming. Locked into rooms for days/weeks/months they are still hungry and mobile. So what is providing the metabolic energy?
I propose that it is something like photosynthesis, but without the energy from photons to fuel the conversion of CO2 to energy. The energy equation for plants is 6CO2 + 6H2O -> C6H12O6 + 6O2, plenty of energy to eat brains all day long as long as there is sufficient CO2.
So there you have it! Carbon pollution is likely to result in an increased likelyhood of a zombie apocalypse. Where is my grant and NASA office?
I forgot to add what replaced the light energy. That is easy–RF noise generated by our information-age civilization. Even more reason for a 90% die off of humans and a radical return to pastoral neolithic beauty (at least for the peasants).
I see the CIA, or something, has declared us out of petroleum already–35 years ago. Gadzooks!
Wow. Congratulations for anyone that makes it down this far in the comments. You must be a Climate Change Debate Masochist.
So to reward your conviction, here is a link to a website run (in part at least) by Burt Rutan (The scaled composite founder and aerospace genius.)
http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm
At the top is a powerpoint or pdf version of a complete breakdown of the CO2-induced, man-made global warming hypothesis. He is not a climate scientist, he is just an engineer. He takes the numbers, unskews the windows on the graphs, provides context and basic scientific information, and applies basic rigor. The results are damning and entertaining. And for those of you who are wondering, yes this is the presentation put together that Bill Whittle has referenced once or twice at PJTV.
At the bottom of that page, and linked strait below for convenience, is the first of a 4-part, 40minute lecture on the utter failure of the Global Warming studies to predict the future, or be reliable, or honest, or present statistically significant data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI&feature=channel
In this video, he does in fact sell the notion of Global Cooling, but unlike the agenda-pushing proponents, he doesn’t reference far fetched methods, or tie it to any need to reduce CO2, he proves it with one very simple graph, and suggests warming the planet to maintain us near the Holocene Optimum.
steele oneill