UPDATE: Johannes Mehserle has been convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter of Oscar Grant.
Oakland is boarded up.
Fearing the inevitable riots that will erupt if ex-transit cop Johannes Mehserle isn’t found guilty of murder in the Oscar Grant case, business owners around Oakland’s downtown and other areas of the city have been busy nailing plywood boards over their shop windows to minimize damage and looting. This essay documents the pre-riot preparations, and also examines to what extent the expected riot is being fomented by left-wing radical groups.
Word has gone out on the street for everyone to gather at 14th and Broadway — the intersection at the center of Oakland’s downtown — when the verdict is announced. Although the gathering is supposed to be “a positive space for people to speak out and express their feelings and to continue working for justice,” everyone knows that rabble-rousers and organizers will be on hand inciting the crowd to run wild.
The businesses at 14th and Broadway started preparing for the violence many days in advance, boarding up their windows and informing employees to lock the doors as soon as the verdict is announced.
But the fear has spread all across downtown Oakland, and businesses for many blocks in every direction have either already boarded up their windows too or have stocked up on plywood and nails for emergency protection when the time comes.
Do Riots Occur Spontaneously — or Are They Organized Ahead of Time?
For weeks a furious argument has raged through Oakland, with some civic leaders, pundits and businessmen accusing radical neighborhood activist groups of intentionally fomenting a riot on the day of the verdict. Furthermore, local African-American activists are in turn accusing outside mostly-white anarchist and communist groups of hijacking for their own agenda what is supposed to be a homegrown riot just for locals. Everybody’s pointing fingers — and everybody’s correct.
The reason law-abiding Oaklanders are so sure a riot will erupt is that there is a grand convergence of four different social forces all pushing in the same direction: chaos on verdict day:
1. There is likely to be an “organically” occurring unplanned outbreak of frustration on the part of African-Americans in Oakland who (justly or unjustly, depending on your viewpoint) feel distrustful of and victimized by police.
2. Local black-oriented activist organizations are seeking to harness and magnify this anger to intentionally bring chaos to the streets as a way of pressuring the city to advance their radical agendas.
3. Outside far-left political groups are also seeking to piggyback on the riots and to make them so large and violent that they become a national story, and (hopefully) become the spark that ignites a revolution.
4. The criminal element in the Bay Area will almost certainly take advantage of the fact the the Oakland Police will be totally preoccupied with the riot on verdict day, leading many locals to fear an unchecked crime wave even in areas where there is no rioting.
Put all these four ingredients together and you have the recipe for one ugly scene.
It doesn’t take much effort to see the hidden hands behind the scenes trying to instigate or intensify the riot.
The Anarchists
For example, this poster has been plastered all over the city. At the lower left, you can see a drawing of bandanna-wearing white anarchists participating in the planned riot, and it’s almost certain that anarchists designed and distributed the poster. And sure enough, if you go to the local Bay Area anarchist blog, you can find them justifying their role in the riot incitement:
We are anarchists who live in the Bay. We are OUTRAGED by the murder of Oscar Grant, and we are pissed at continuing police violence and disregard of communities’ health and safety. …
Some folks have been calling us “outside agitators”. We wonder: outside of what? We are all faced by police violence…THE PIGS STARTED THIS
Straight up, we don’t like that the police murder people. … Last year when people expressed themselves in the streets, we heard condemnation of property destruction but no rebuke of police aggression against peoples bodies. Lets not forget that the only reason Mehserle is on trial is because the people of Oakland rose up.
…If Mehserle is found guilty of murder it will be historic. If he is found not guilty, or given a slap on the wrist, our response will be historic. What happens in the streets will be determined by the people in the streets, and we know that we won’t be there alone. We say to the thugs at OPD, bring your chumps in body armor. The more Bay Area cops you bring to downtown Oakland to threaten and intimidate those expressing themselves, the more targets you leave exposed. It’s open game on all your $hit from now until the job is done.
Clear enough for you?
There are also many posts online of anarchists arguing about whether their participation in the riot is justified (paste this URL into a browser window to see an example: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/07/05/18652687.php) and also announcing plans to show up in costume as “yuppies” to avoid being arrested as they smash things up (http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/07/06/18652776.php). (The site IndyBay blocks incoming direct links to discourage “outsiders” from seeing what goes on in the radical community.)
The Communists
Boarded-up buildings all over Oakland are also plastered with the yellow flyer you see here.
This close-up view reveals that it says “The Whole Damn System is Guilty!” and “Revolution Club.”
The “Revolution Club” is of course a branch of the Revolutionary Communist Party, and “The Whole Damn System is Guilty!” is the RevCom slogan for the Oscar Grant case.
Elsewhere on the Revolutionary Communist Party website are essays with thinly veiled threats to incite a riot on the day of the verdict:
There are plans for a convergence in downtown Oakland at 14th and Broadway at 6 pm on the day the verdict is announced. People need to be there and elsewhere to respond politically to the verdict. …
It was the outcry and protest of the people, in many different ways, including on January 7, 2009, that forced the system to arrest and bring murder charges against Mehserle. …
The authorities are sowing confusion and also trying to intimidate people from speaking out in the wake of the verdict. Police staged a highly publicized practice “riot” in the port of Oakland. They set up a hotline for “tips, rumors and information” relating to protests or “potential problems” after the verdict. Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums met with non-profit groups, urging them to inoculate their base against “outside agitators.”
But the truth is the people acted with conscience and vision when they said “we are all Oscar Grant.” Protest was needed and justified.
(January 7, 2009 is the date of the first Oscar-Grant-related riot, which erupted a week after Mehserle shot Grant in an Oakland BART station.)
Here’s another poster commonly seen around downtown. Up close…
…we see that it’s produced by the “Justice for Oscar Grant Committee,” which also turns out to be a front group for Revolution Books, a communist bookstore.
Not all the inciters are “outside agitators” — some come from within the local African-American community itself:
The Black Nationalists
The “Uhuru Solidarity Movement,” a radical black nationalist organization, is also one of many agitator groups essentially calling for a riot if there isn’t a murder conviction (paste URL: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/07/05/18652698.php):
As we prepare for the verdict in the trial of Mehserle for the murder of Oscar Grant, we continue to organize to build our organization in solidarity with the African People’s Socialist Party for liberation and justice for African people, which will bring liberation and justice to the world.
…On the day of the verdict, we are calling on the public to show their outrage if the verdict is anything less than 2nd degree murder by joining the rally downtown at 6pm at 14th and Broadway or by coming out to a community organizing meeting at the Uhuru House in East Oakland at 7911 MacArthur Blvd.
The facade of Youth Radio, a training facility for inner-city Oakland youth, is completely plastered with Oscar Grant posters and graffiti. Inside, the Youth Radio trainees have followed the Oscar Grant case closely and produced many radio reports that were not entirely condemnatory of any post-verdict rioting.
The side of the building has an immense outdoor shrine to Oscar Grant.
Across the street are more boarded-up buildings and intriguing flyers.
The flyers, which have also been posted on poles and walls all over the Bay Area, read “HE SAYS TAZER, WE SAY MURDER. Day of the verdict, 14th and Broadway, 6pm. JUSTICE FOR OSCAR GRANT!”
Pundits and Community Leaders
Everyone wants to put in their two cents about the Oscar Grant case. And while many “responsible” pundits and leaders are of course calling for calm and nonviolence after the verdict, just as many are using their soapboxes to backhandedly inflame the protesters while pretending to act like peacemakers. For example, Jakada Imani, Executive Director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights (the successor to Van Jones in that role, coincidentally) published a column in the San Francisco Chronicle in which he remains unenthused about street violence — because it doesn’t go far enough to bring about “transformative justice.” In other words, he’s anti-riot because it’s too small potatoes — he’d rather see a revolution.
(The photo above has nothing to do with the pundits, but I thought it was a similarly unsettling and disturbing message: “Jury Immunity: Juries cannot be punished for their verdicts.” The implication seems to be that this law is a bad thing, and that the Meheserle jury ought to be punished if they come back with the “wrong” verdict. At least it seems to imply this within the pressure-cooker context of pre-riot Oakland. Update: Commenters point out that the sign may refer not to the Mehserle trial but instead to the ability of juries in drug cases to return innocent verdicts if they disagree with the law. Could be….)
Chip Johnson, a more insightful and level-headed S.F. Chronicle columnist, documented how local youths are being inflamed by agitators and politically-driven community activists.
And even supposedly unbiased “news stories” often read like they’re justifying any post-verdict outbreak of violence — this article in the San Jose Mercury News being a good example:
But what is justice? What constitutes a just response to the killing of the 22-year-old grocery store worker, a man memorialized in hip-hop songs and murals, discussed in barbershops and living rooms as an iconic victim of police brutality that some say happens all too often?
…
Is a murder conviction justice? Is a voluntary or involuntary manslaughter conviction justice? If Mehserle, who says he intended to stun Grant with a Taser and accidentally shot him instead, is acquitted, can there still be a sense of justice for those who have come to view this case as a for long-simmering tension between minorities and law enforcement?
That’s “news”?
Fear the darkies! They coming after your womens!
And again, Skeez makes no sense in comparison to the article in question.
But from the photos, I see the agitators spell “taser” with a “z” just like your towering intellectual buddy, markthegreat. Maybe he can mingle with the agitators, lecture them on “crisis mode” working hours, hand out a few jaywalking tickets and report back. Maybe he can also justify reaching for a “tazer” while some guy was flat on the ground in the first place.
Compared to you a jar of Mayonnaise is a towering intellectual. Are you really defending Skeez’s offhand and irrelevant trolling remarks or do you, by some miracle, have something intelligent to say.
I detest leftist agitators. I really detest them. They are usually unwashed, moronic in the extreme and they seethe a lot.
But I also reserve a soft spot for self-important, overly serious, uptight, humorless, hall monitor/dweeb types (like Neidemier from Animal House), that delude themselves into believing that they contributed anything worthwhile by huffing that Skeeziks is “off topic.” Of course he is; of course it was irrelevant.
But Peter the Bubblehead and his sidekick markthegreat are just tedious when they beat up on skeeziks, who is often simply trying to get their goat and doing it successfully too. peter has annointed himself as protector of the blog, purifier of the topic. Just the type of republican that wants his limited government in your bedroom.
Now you come along adding mayonaise to the mix. Do YOU have anything worthwhile to add? Or are you just one of those people that like to watch?
Holy cow…Smith is still polluting the blogosphere with his inanities.
Heya smitty ol boy; you wouldn’t happen to have another one of those neato schizophrenic strawman interviews between you and your alternate reality version of me all queued up and ready to go, would you? Like the ones from the Seattle cop thread where mark the great, myself, and pretty much the rest of the PJ Media audience witnessed your repeated stupidity?
Those really went a long way to demonstrating your intellectual ineptitude and borderline insanity.
Isn’t it amazing that the only time smith shows up, is to complain about other people wasting his time.
Hey! Look! Another know-nothing defending someone who has absolutely nothing to say about the topic on hand by adding more nothing about the topic on hand.
Any chance you might actually comment intelligently on the topic?
I won’t be holding my breath.
It’s been nearly 24 hours, and the answer to your question is. No.
One little spelling mistake, using a brand name instead of the generic product name, and poor little Smith will dwell on it forever.
What’s it like, having no life of your own.
It was more than one mistake, it was your repeated use of the wrong word while posing as some kind of authority, making your posturing even worse than the ignorant seething leftist that drew up the posters. And let’s not forget your hilarious advice about “crisis mode” behavior from someone whose largest “crisis” seems to be an ability to spell coupled with delusions of high competence.
But all that aside, you again failed to contribute anything of value (as usual) or even respond to my question to your sidekick Peter: how do you justify a cop shooting a suspect who is flat on the ground, surrounded by other cops etc? I relaize this isn’ Seattle and the cop hadn’t come off a dangerous shift of jaywalking patrol, but how does one confuse a sig with a taser-especially once you grip it? How do you justify reaching for a taser simply because the suspect was making “movements”? Do we then excuse every shooting where the cop says “I thought it was a taser?” The jury has made what seems to be a sensible verdict now, but the police simply have to be more careful in electing to shoot and tase people. I acknowledge of course, that if the LAPD hadn’t been crucified to whacking King about with nightsticks (and saving him from being shot by the CHP), the police might be more inclined to use them and this may have inhibited the cop. Thoughts about this?
If you’re not in “crisis mode” right now with your coffee maker or grande latte, maybe you can spend day formulating a response. (you can even misspell words-I just want to see if you can muster a thought–maybe Peter will help).
Ohh, one little spelling error proves that I’m an idiot.
Geeze, and people wonder why liberals get themselves laughed at.
As to posing as an authority, those issues that I spoke on, I am very knowledgeable. Just because I don’t agree with you is not evidence that I’m wrong. It’s evidence that you are.
As to your desire to find fault with me. That’s your problem not mine. Have fun parsing all my future statements for alleged errors. At least it will give you something to do while waiting for your mommy to get home.
Mommmm! markthegreat still won’t answer the question I asked! He spends all his time being defensive, and telling me he is “knowledgable” about things he obviously has no knowledge of.
Smith’s Mom: Just go to the basement and play with the victoria’s secret model that followed you home from that night club. markthegreat is one of those low wattage intellects with little of value to say. He flits around the blogs adding useless notes, calling people names and avoiding any sober analysis of any issue. You shouldn’t waste time even acknowledging his existence. We call people like him “Bar Stool Intellects,” for obvious reasons. He’d be the first person voted off a reality show, the last person to realize the titanic was going to sink, and probably hangs around bars with other guys talking about girls while never asking one out.
Smith: OK, I’ll wait for him to make a fool of himself on another story.
I wonder what it is like to spend all of ones life, following around those who are more successful, hoping desperately to spot a mistake so that you can prove to yourself that your life isn’t wasted after all.
I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that anything I have said here is wrong.
I’d feel sorry for you. If I wasn’t so busy laughing at you.
Go ahead, make yourself feel important by complaining. It’s the only chance at fame you will ever have.
smith is The Principal Liar sleazits.
The delivery is lame on.
Ok, let’s spell it out in small words: when the cop says “face down on the sidewalk and don’t move” you do what the cop says and let the lawyers argue it out later. Clear? Ain’t that hard to figure out.
Your inability to post anything of substance is just astounding. Even by accident it looks like you would occasionally come close to responding to the article in question.
Seeing as this post is mostly about showing how WHITE outsiders are causing most of the trouble, and about how ASIAN business owners are the ones with the most to lose, and is NOT about condemning or demonizing blacks, your idiotic faux-racist comment is even more idiotic than your usual idiotic faux-racist comment.
Give it up, skeezix. The shtick doesn’t work any more (not that it ever did in the first place).
Haven’t you yet learned? if you walk into a room of people whom you want to falsely accuse of being Nazis, and to make your point you give a straight-arm Nazi salute and start shouting “Sieg Heil” which in your clouded mind counts as mockery of the people you’re accusing, all you end up achieving is making YOURSELF look like a Nazi, as everyone else looks on quizzically.
When you start making racist comments on a blog, as your way of somehow accusing the blog of being racist, then YOU look like the racist — which you undoubtedly are. Since there is no evidence of racism in the post, you have to manufacture the evidence yourself. And you end up being the exact kind of bigot you foolishly imagine you are pointing out in others.
When you refer to all black male people as “darkies” you are only provoking the continuation of racism in society and allowing “whities” if you might say, to be paranoid about mixed marriage or anything that has to do with the unification of the human race as a whole.
Yes, that was coarse of me. Perhaps I should have said plunger lips.
BP = Barry’s Payoff
I refuse to “unify the human race”…with crack heads that use ANY reason, or no reason, to rob, pillage, and just cause trouble. Oscar was up to no good when his god decided it was time for him to leave here… and we get…
“oohhhh I’m mad at this decision, let’s go steal somethin’.” It was a sad event, not an excuse to riot and steal.
Our nation is in trouble.
Megan Kelly on FOX..(america live) has interesting info on this and the “new black panthers” that we’ve seen on no other stations. WHY???
That’s very preemptive, you racist.
“God damn America! Fear the darkies! They’re coming after your womens! Rge police acted stupidly!” – skeeky, we know, we know, dba Obama said it so many times -
Now back at the womens thing – can you check with Larry Sinclair to see how’s Barry doing at that?
Rumors are that not too well – and Barry’s constantly being late home, and Michelle’s migraines kind of confirm that Barry’s is not the one to fear for coming after whiteys’ womens -
Not sure. Is Michelle Bachmann’s lesbian lover from college lying?
Lesbians? Yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Mumia Jabal redivivus – the police acted stupidly – Holders sez let Mumia free – Bill Ayres sez: whiteys need to pay – Barry Soetero confirms: social justice will come -
Um those pig stickers have been around for *years*, those aren’t new. Also this just strikes me as extremely lazy, with no actual journalism being done, and only looking to blame “commies” for this is laughable.
Umm…did you even read the article or did you scan for the word communist and decided to piss and moan about a red scare in spite of the thesis and content of the report.
Worsty, Oakland as a cesspool was for much longer around than those posters -
Too many people want to make this about race. It is NOT. It is about police brutality, murder and justice for Oscar Grant. I am a 47 year old white woman in Ohio. I stand with you in spirit demanding justice for Oscar Grant!! And reform in the justice system to STOP abuse of power by the police!!
Please, when you gather in the streets of Oakland BE HEARD but remember that violence is not the way. Remember it is not about what they do, it is about what WE do. We can stand together in peace and make a change. Look to the leader of our country and remember, YES WE CAN.
An observation and a few questions:
First, why don’t you live the courage of your conivctions and head on down there? Surely you’ve got the bus fare. But wait – it looks like they’re going to deliver he verdict in the next hour or so. Well, perhaps you can run out to the nearest street corner with a handmade cardboard sign. You, too can feel as if you’re part of that exalted vanguard of the revolution. Or some such nonsense like that.
Change. What a lovely word. How’s that working out for you these days? It WAS what you voted for, eh? Now what exactly was that change you were looking for?
YES WE CAN! Really? What? Do you know? Can you tell us?
It is my understanding that Oscar Grant was unfortunately killed—killed, not “murdered”—because he was part of a group of young men engaging in a brawl. The accidental death is terribly unfortunate. However, what about the initial cause—the brawl? The intentional creation of a public disturbance? You start something which is inappropriate, you have no guarantee that things are going to remain merely as inappropriate as you would like them to be. So, if “violence is not the way,” then what about the violence that Grant and his cohorts initiated or inflamed? Why is he given a pass and all the fault laid upon the officer who, sadly, killed him?
It’s a reasonable question. The answer is that whatever crimes Grant may have committed do not rise to the level of summary execution on site being a reasonable response. He was face-down on the concrete when shot in the back by an officer standing above him. Mesherle’s defense – that he was reaching for his taser – also doesn’t work. Never mind that it contradicts his initial statements – given Grant’s position there’s no justification for tasing, so that would have been battery. Not sure if CA has a felony murder law, but that would have risen to that level.
Obviously this isn’t first-degree murder, but I could see second-degree. More likely that it’s manslaughter. Regardless of what Grant may have done, he didn’t deserve to die. If we don’t send a message here, we’ll see more Oscar Grants.
Again, you are saying that Grant “didn’t deserve…given whatever crimes he may have committed.” This ignores the fact that having initiated chaos, one cannot control it; there is no guarantee that the chaos you’ve initiated will remain at the level you wanted it to be, or that you will be in control of it.
By focusing on what you believe the victim “deserved,” you are ignoring what the intent of the accused is, which is wholly contrary to the demands of justice. The reason there are “Oscar Grants”—that is to say, people who fall to police violence—is that, for the most part, they initiate violence, and they (or their proxies if they fail to survive) whine afterwards because they were met with violence.
No, Grant “didn’t deserve to die.” But he died because he and his companions initiated an antisocial situation in which they were out of control, and which they themselves would not control when control was imposed. Had Grant been the random victim of an unprovoked police attack rather than a participant in a melee, you might find me sympathetic to his fate. As it is, while I think it unfortunate that he and his companions basically wrote a check that they couldn’t cash, I have to support the police in this matter.
So you find it reasonable that a cop shot a guy? Wow.
You also presume to know a lot, such as Grant being involved in the altercation. We don’t know what happened, and pretty much can’t now that Mesherle decided to go ahead and be the entire justice system himself (judge, jury, and executioner).
It’s sad that the piece of human garbage got “involuntary manslaughter”. There’s nothing “involuntary” about what he did.
It is not reasonable, but it was an accident.
What part of accident do you not understand?
Buzz, I think you have summed this up very well. It is a clear case of the lack of discipline. Where is the blame? Oscar Grant was not disciplined or he would not have been where he was doing what he did. That is the direct result of lack of training and lack of discipline. An odious environment that has settled on that part of California years ago. Had these rowdies been properly taught and disciplined there would have been no call for police action
Instead of calling police brutal when they try to uphold discipline and by restricting the use of force to back up that discipline we set the stage for more of these unfortunate incidents.
Demetrius, a silversmith in Ephesus, set off a major riot, see the account in Acts, and his motive was not the same as his justification. I believe that will also hold true in the Oakland threat. If we have a major economic breakdown which is definitely in the works, these riots are going to take the lives of the rioters not by the action of the authorities but by the action of nature. We should be warned and start working on proper discipline. These things just “don’t happen” out of the blue and I wouldn’t recommend challenging a foreign authority on his own turf.
Would somebody please explain to me why any police officer would purposefully shoot an unarmed suspect while in a crowd of witnesses? Time for a sanity check, folks.
Heard?? You mean voices or exploding cars and burning buildings? If I were dumb enough to own a business in Oakland I would be in that business with a shotgun after all arson is a felony and would be attempted murder in anyone was in the building. The police should be shooting rioters.
The other officier, Tony Pirone called Oscar a “bitch-ass nigger” multiple times before Mehserle shot him. How is that not about race
Actually, what happened was the one of the brawlers on the train platform yelled “Bitch-Ass N****r” at Officer Pirone, who then repeated the slur in outrage at it being directed at him, i.e. “[You calling me a] bitch-ass n****er? What?” Even so, Pirone was, by everyone’s account, the most riled up of the officers, but he was not the one on trial, because he didn’t shoot anybody. So it doesn’t really matter what he said or how he intended it.
Pirone is not on trial.
Can you give me a link to this? Is it on video?
No, I think Pirone’s words are all based on the recollections of witnesses, rather than being preserved on audio (as far as I know).
i second this
Wrong “justice”
..it’s about race , even if you don’t want to admit it…it’s allllll about race…
the most disturbing poster was the one that included ARIZONA>>>>
This Oscar was a jerk, and to make him out as a martyr is ghoulish. Justice was served by the hand of fate when this scumbag was shot accidentally, thankfully ridding the world (and expensive justice system) of a multiple offender jerk. If you fight with a cop, you might get shot – this should not be a surprise to anyone except the dumbest or most sheltered amongst us. I have had my own trouble with the law, but I learned my lesson – you can’t win, the cops have the upper hand every time. Oscar was caught evading arrest not too long ago while in the possession of an illegal handgun, and then it didn’t take long for him to want to start more trouble. He didn’t shape up, and you can bet your ass that this scum Oscar would have eventually brought harm and sorry to others had he lived a longer life. Good riddance to the garbage, glad to see that this “riot” was a dud. All they really wanted to do was rob a foot locker!
Apparently, the concept of being innocent until proven guilty by a jury of peers isn’t worth much to some people. The presumption of innocence is one of the foundations of our criminal justice system; indeed, it is one of the principles that separates free democratic societies from the many varieties of banana republics on display in the world. For quite a few groups in the area, apparently the jury’s job is to bring back the verdict they decided was fitting or they will liberate local businesses of their merchandise.
Where was that presumption when Al Gore got accused? Nowhere to be found. Where was that presumption when Nicki Haley got accused? In full flower. As to this article, it’s not the first Zombie has posted in this matter.
You have no standing.
Did Al Gore shoot someone?? I hope it was a leftist nut bag.
He did indeed shoot someone. Granted, he didn’t use a firearm…
I believe Al’s gun misfired.
I know, I know but where is Sleezy,s retort? I still wonder who fathered Al Gore’s kids??
“Where was that presumption when Al Gore got accused?”
Adrift on a quickly melting polar ice cap? Are you assuming that I have demanded a specific verdict for Al Gore? Or that I am the one that is accusing him of a crime?
“Nowhere to be found.”
Except by the authorities handling the matter who have reopened the case and will presumably file charges if they feel a crime was committed. I haven’t really seen many people agitating for street violence if he isn’t convicted, though, so this is not very pertinent. Maybe you would have a point if the villagers had assembled with torches and pitchforks at the base of Chateau Gore demanding blood, but I really don’t see a connection. Are you saying that because Al Gore is being investigated for a crime, a police officer who negligently killed someone in another city should not have due process? That’s certainly a strange viewpoint. Does mommy know you are surfing the interwebs again?
“Where was that presumption when Nicki Haley got accused?”
In the same media outlets that provided it to Al Gore, but once again, this is not really pertinent. Methinks you doth believe in the right-wing conspiracy goblins.
“In full flower”
Botanical references related to a conservative female that is light years out of your league? Hmmm. Please don’t elaborate. Anyway, I’m not sure this is a very fitting metaphor, but since the analogy is also not located in the same postal code, this doesn’t really surprise me.
” As to this article,”
So, attempting to come close to thinking about wanting to begin to make a point? I’m listening. There is a first time for everything, even coherency.
“it’s not the first Zombie has posted in this matter.”
Well that obviously destroys Zombie’s idea, right there. Posting multiple posts on the same subject must invalidate the author’s claims. Do you hear that Zombie? One topic = one post. Anything more and you break some mystical law of Kabbalah and it gives you bad mojo.
“You have no standing.”
Here is a list of accepted meanings of the word “standing.” http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&defl=en&q=define:standing&sa=X&ei=xmM2TIn_B8qKOIPa0aAE&ved=0CBUQkAE
Your intended meaning is not found. I think you meant to say “You have nothing to stand on.”
*sigh* You do realize that everyone here deep-down pities you, don’t you?
And now for a brief but sound trundling (look it up) . . .
On Gore, you were trotting along on your high horse, slathering out deathless bromides like . . . “The presumption of innocence is one of the foundations of our criminal justice system . . . ” Gee, thanks, Super J, who would have guessed? I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the right wing extremists’ reaction to Gore compared to Haley. Related to this (hopefully) willful bit of confusion on your part is the slightly more disturbing labial obsession with Ms. Haley. “In full flower” was in reference to, wait for it, right wing hypocrisy. Sound familiar? Simple enough . . . for most.
I know I need to slow down and wait for you. I’ve thrown a lot at you. Ready? Here we go, Zombie’s two articles on this matter? That’s relevant. I read both. I don’t think you did, because if you had you wouldn’t have retreated with such transparency . . . no reference from you to the previous article’s content . . . instead you resort to “Tsk, tsk, Zombie. Shame on you for doing that BAD thing” . . . an infantile and desperate attempt to find strength in numbers . . . pitiable
As for standing, read your Constitution. (Lucky for you, it’s on The Google.) That’s what you people do on the weekends anyway, right?
(Some people have said to put a raw steak on it. I know I’ve seen ‘em do that in cartoons. Maybe you should try that.)
You truly are a pitiable. I have yet to figure out if your incoherency is by design or the result of some major flaw; I’m guessing the latter, but since I am an optimist, I’ll withhold judgement. And I’ll make this one really simple for you, because we’ve already established that you are uneasy around someone more educated than you who doesn’t agree with you.
There is no vast interconnected right-wing conspiracy. The people here who disagree with you are not a monolithic mass of group-thinkers. When you bring in completely unrelated topics (such as your response to my #4 concerning Gore and Haley’s sexual misconduct allegations) or make unfounded arguments (See your statement # 1 assuming that everyone who disagrees with you to be a racist) or random attacks based on your preconceived notions (See your statement #11 regarding a tea party “general”), it makes a series of easily refutable statements/assumptions that leads to you look like ‘teh stoopid.’
I’ll show you how this works. (I train businesses in negotiation and argumentation, but this one will be free. Take notes.) An argument is based on several pillars. If you want to weaken an unsound argument, one of the best ways is to attack the underlying unsupported assumptions that lead to a faulty conclusion. For example, I pointed out the troubling notion that many people did not extend the officer in question the presumption of innocence. Your response was to compare the differing response to Gore and Haley as you perceived them. In order to attack your argument and prove it to be unsatisfactory, I should look for underlying assumptions and invalidate them. Your underlying assumptions are quite easily found and invalidated. 1) You assume that the same people offering Haley and Mehserle the presumption of innocence were the same people who did not offer the same to Al Gore. 2) By posting this in response to my #4, you seem to think that I am one of those people involved in this right-wing hypocrisy. These assumptions are not only unfounded, but they assume that somehow this discredits my belief in the presumption of innocence. Since the attacks on both politicians seem to follow partisan lines and this is distinctly different from the case at hand, this assumption of yours is irrelevant and does not strengthen your argument. Likewise, since this was attached to my post, the assumption being that somehow I could not believe in the presumption of guilt for everyone regardless of party affiliation, also does not hold water. Therefore, your argument, since it is based on irrelevant and easily refutable assumptions, is not valid: or ‘teh stoopid’ if you so prefer.
Since I’m feeling generous, here is another tip in argumentation. Get your facts straight. Even though it is largely irrelevant to your point and mine, you seem to think that I missed Zombie’s other article on this very topic. A quick search will find that I posted several comments on this very article, including one that you responded to. http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/06/29/forecast-category-5-riot-expected-to-hit-oakland-soon/
*ouch*
Then you made this statement, and I do use the word statement loosely here, “I don’t think you did, because if you had you wouldn’t have retreated with such transparency . . . no reference from you to the previous article’s content . . . instead you resort to “Tsk, tsk, Zombie. Shame on you for doing that BAD thing” . . . an infantile and desperate attempt to find strength in numbers . . . pitiable”
This is pure nonsense. This may have made sense to someone, somewhere, but I pity them if it did and I pity you for uttering it.
And before I leave you to try to sort through an actual argument, I want to point out your obsession with “you people.” As I noted earlier, and I assume you skimmed and didn’t read the post as you do with Zombie’s articles, you view those that disagree with you as a monolithic group of people. This “you people” is a figment of your imagination. Had you listened to some posters months ago who told you the same thing, it could have prevented you from looking like ‘teh stoopid’ today. I doubt you would have listened, but as I said; I am an optimist.
I know what it is like to be 17 and have more “will” than “way”, but please remember to put on your big boy britches before coming back here. I await your next incoherent response ignoring the vicious smackdown I just handed you and aimed at “you people” with baited breath.
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob . . . or is it Mr. Government?
It hurts, as your post so pleadingly reveals, to have your delusions of intellect laid bare. Now, don’t get excited when I say laid bare, I’m not talking about animal “husbandry” (thought I better clear that up given your dearth of vocabulary). Now, I’m guessing that you think I should be impressed with your “consultant” rezoomay. Well, I might be, but first let me clear something up, How do you train a business to do anything? I can see training people, but a business? A company is not a person. I know you government types like to protect companies by bestowing personhood on them, but really, you should clear up that “training businesses” reference. I mean, you want to know who to invoice.
I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.” Well, it’s simple. by you people I mean people like you. Arbitrary, contradictory, self important, and always with that sad nagging need to validate yourself by reciting some half-assed resume or some portion of the Bill of Rights you’ve committed to memory. You Google, you link, you try to remember all those Venn Diagrams and formulaic assertions. I can only say that I hope the insights you peddle to unsuspecting businessPEOPLE carry more weight than the freshman convictions you exhibit here.
Don’t stay up too late.
Exactly as I figured. Not one attempt to address my dissection of your terminal case of ‘teh stoopid.’ I don’t go for an ‘a ha’ moment; I’m not Perry Mason. (Although pointing out the irrelevancy of your reference to the other Zombie post and your inability to search it for any comments must have left a nice skid mark in your pantaloons. Hide them in the bottom of the hamper and maybe gran won’t notice.) No, instead of ‘a ha’ moments, I go for the tried and true; I dove into your cesspool comments and took them apart, displaying your inability to compose a valid argument for you and others to see. We all know what you mean by “you people.” There is no reason to back-peddle, we all know you are a bigot who lives under the assumption that a monolithic group of people are responsible for all you consider unjust. There is no way to argue out of it. Your record of ‘teh stoopid’ is well documented here.
I do pity you.
p.s. Just for the record, I stand by what I wrote. I do not have any contracts with “business people”; I deal with businesses that are officially registered in Germany as a GmbH: the German version of the British limited company. Under German law, these businesses are indeed considered an “entity” for all business purposes. The training is provided to the business entity, and the business entity receives the invoice. This is also the same in the US, so you should maybe take note of this.
You have nothing of substance to provide to an adult conversation. Remember what I said about the big boy britches?
So you believe obamao’s administration acted stupidly creating the BP slush fund right?
Where was that presumption when Al Gore got accused?
I’d like to grant Al Gore the benefit of the doubt but how can you argue with the computer model?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/02/dear-al-gore-climax-deniers-why-do-you-keep-ignoring-the-computer-models/
Right on. That’s why we don’t let crazy cops just kill people. We don’t know if Grant was guilty of a crime or not (certainly not one deserving of execution). In a banana republic, Mesherle gets a pat on the back.
You seem to have confused the job of the police (to keep public order and enforce the laws of their jurisdiction) with that of the criminal justice system (which is to ascertain guilt and apply sentencing.) Since Mehserle has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, probably due to the videos of the actual event where the jury members could see the actual crime, and sentencing has yet to take place to the best of my knowledge, it seems that the criminal justice system is indeed doing its job. If you have some super-sekret knowledge of intent to kill that the court did not have, or a magical crystal ball proving that Mehserle will be given a “pat on the back” instead of a just sentence, then maybe you should come forward. Otherwise, try to keep the genie of idiocy firmly bottled up and sitting on your desk.
I’ve not confused anything, and certainly I wasn’t arguing with you. You’re correct about the job of the police, Mehserle seemed confused about it. As I said (and you seemed to agree) in a banana republic, that’s par for the course and an extrajudicial killing by government officials is overlooked. Here, Mehserle goes to jail (presumably, since he’s been found guilty).
Zombie, I’ve never had any trouble with the Indymedia website. Google SF Indybay and it goes right to it. I read it every day to keep up with this whole drama, since I work in SF and live in the East Bay and ride BART.
BART (like DC Metro) has contingency plans which they are being rather open about, i.e. closing the downtown Oakland stations. A friend of mine works at the Oakland Museum of California downtown and says the museum plans to evacuate guests and shut at the first sign of a verdict.
The tension grows every day.
They don’t block incoming links from Google or search engines; they block incoming links from news portals and anything-but-far-left sites.
I think they maintain an extremely long list of “blocked” sites that includes PJM and most other blogs you’ve ever heard of.
That might be an entertaining list to read.
what is this article supposed to be? you took a bunch of pictures you blamed everyone from the leftisits to the commies…are you actually getting paid for it. If so I would like to apply for a job there… there is no substance to your article
And how much are you being paid by Media Matters or Organizing for America to troll conservative sites? Because, if you’re doing this for free — dragging yourself all day through articles you have no interest in reading, and then robotically typing in baseless criticisms — then I feel sorry for you. What a miserable hobby.
This is part of the remedial spelling class for Miriam’s GED…
Good article. In any case, African-Americans do look for reasons to burn things down, some of them. It’s a cycle of futility leading to more futility and the reinforcement of stereotypes on all sides.
Now, now, now Larry. You simply must explore the nature of your judgment. I could point to a (big) number of vapid accusations and insults tossed around here by your conservative brothers and sisters, and yet you only to judge only those who disagree with you. Hey, here’s an idea, let’s pick someone who takes “nothing but cheap shots.”
How about this one . . .”This is part of the remedial spelling class for Miriam’s GED…. In any case, African-Americans do look for reasons to burn things down . . . ”
Now who said that? Let me scroll up . . . no . . . no . . . no . . . . ah, there it is. Wait, you said that! Oopsie, my mistake.
“Conservative brothers and sisters.” What happened to “you people?” It may surprise you to find out that some people here who disagree with you and think you have a chronic and terminal case of ‘teh stoopid’ are not necessarily conservative. Once again, get those big boy britches on!
I do not know those two organizations that you just mentioned.
I am not a troll either. I am more of center left and I have learned a lot on this site. I had a whole different view of conservetives(not a positive one) until I found this site. this site has taught me not be judgemental. in particular there is a conservetive blogger here by the name “GDT”, for whom I have a great deal of respect
Regarding the jury immunity flyer – it refers to jury nullification, specifically in regards to controlled substances trials. These started showing up around the same time as the Measure Z campaign.
In a nutshell, a jury can decide to find a defendant not guilty if they (unanimously) disagree with the spirit of those laws of which the defendant was accused. This tactic was commonly used during Prohibition during alcohol-related trials.
For more information: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ve now updated the post to reflect the info you presented:
“Update: Commenters point out that the sign may refer not to the Mehserle trial but instead to the ability of juries in drug cases to return innocent verdicts if they disagree with the law. Could be….)
Jury nullification does not only apply to drug trials, but all criminal trials. It is relatively uncommon, but I would not say rare.
Jury nullifcation needs to be a lot less rare. Interestingly, I’ve never been called for jury duty since registering as a Libertarian. Maybe it’s just coincidence.
That makes sense, given the proximity to the Measure Z poster.
No, it does not need to be unanimous.
Local TV (KTVU) reporting that verdict will be read in court TODAY around 4 pm.
I’m leaving work now to get through Oakland before it explodes. Good luck.
Yes, I saw that as well. Link is here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/08/BAM21EBDOD.DTL&tsp=1
Mehserle jury reaches verdict
Cross our fingers the riot fizzles!
Stay safe out there!!!!
If these cities had more guns and laws that let citizens defend themselves from both rioters and corrupt police this would pretty much never happen… however this is what you get when you have an oppressive government combined with another group of oppressed/wanting to oppress ppl under them… its nothing more then 2 gangs fighting it out in the street for control of the city… both sides will hopefully kill each other off… sadly its an unlikely outcome. Instead innocent ppl and shops will be trashed and both gangs will return to the status quo… demanding protection money and benefits from the very ppl they failed to protect and just looted… Its how all gangs work and these gangs are no different.
Considering how some peole riot when their team wins, I expect to see riots even if the cop is convicted and the judge shoots him down on the spot.
Good news is, we don’t have to worry about Oakland winning the super bowl anytime soon.
Hey, everybody, a Tea Party General just got shot. It seems the white, middle-aged plumber starting something “inappropriate.” Please, remain calm. Holster your weapons. Let justice take its course. The officer was just doing his job.
Has AIDS rotted your little mind or did you ride the short bus all through school?
I’ll take both for $1000, Alex.
My, but you are a jerk. Very consistently, too.
skeeziks,
Come clean with us: how often did you get beat up for your lunch money when you were in grade school? Only someone who’s feeling inadequate and seething with rage could write the way you do.
You don’t know much about human nature.
Not that you know a whole helluva lot…
Behind me? Are you Karl Rove’s dad?
Now who’s a homophobe?
You have human nature???
I rarely do this, but here goes. You truly have no life. Whether you are a paid troll or a volunteer matters not. You come up with the most ridiculous ‘comebacks’ to discredit perfectly logical opinions. When people respond, as I do, you take nothing but cheap shots. You are here to disrupt, intimidate, throw off balance and just generally make smart people not want to post.
Personally, I think you have nothing else to do, so you just rip and shred. It’s like a little sugar rush after each effort. Sigh.
I see two possibilities. Either he still is in grade school, or despite the fact that he graduated from high school several years ago, he is still getting beaten up for his lunch money. Possibly by his mother.
oh poor boo…it was the short bus huh???
The TEA Party has ‘Generals’ now?
Been to a couple and never saw anyone wearing TEA Party rank….
Who knew?
You’re smart skeezix.
The verdict is in…will be read at 4PM.
did he died?
I do feel sorry for the dead guy. As for the cop lets see what the jury decides. In the video I saw I think the cop looked surprised when the pistol went off. As someone half way across the country I have no skin in this game.
Hey, I’m a volunteer up in Fruitvale’s Unity Council, and I was one of the people handing out flyers to the merchants so they can prep in case of a riot and yeah these things are basically organized.
I had a conversation with on the the Revolution Club members and I always stick toward a neutral POV on the situation so that I can clearly put in my 2 cents of the situation.
This guy believed that I was trying to prevent prote4st and that is not true, I was trying to inform merchants of the possibility of a riot. Because I’m part of the local Americorps branch, he assumed that the gov’t was making us do this for their own personal reason. So I had to educate this guy.
I told him it was alright to protest as long as they abide by the laws of respecting property and son and so forth and he argued that it should be ok to… basically fuck shit up in the name of a cause.
I never think that being destructive ever helps unless a huge amount of people are being repressed, but what happened in Downtown last time hurt their cause more then helped. As part of Americorps, I have a responsibility to educating children and this year we have to self-fund our summer program so if anyone decides to break a window or a door, where are we gonna get the money to repair that? We would have to close down the program till we receive funds to repair it.
The UNITY COUNCIL has worked long and hard to make International BLVD look beautiful, even if it’s getting grimy, we want to better our neighborhood and with a supposed riot, all that hard work (since 2001) would go to waste!
I respect a cause worth fighting for but I believe that this is wrong. That cop, he deserves something even a decade or two in jail. However, to have a vendetta against cops in general because of a a bunch of bad eggs make the protesters just as bad as the racist cops they hate so much.
Didn’t Oscar Grant already get the justice he deserved?
Next time you see an anarchist, kill him, it’s only fitting.
The riot has been promoted ever since Obama took office. Every thing he does is promted by racial division. Every word out of his mouth is designed to inspire hatred of whites and Christians. He has stoked this fire since Jan 20, 2009. He is the one who should go to prison if this riot takes place. Poor, ignorant and stupid haters will seize this opportunity to rip and tear through their own community stealing everything they can find. Anarchists are burned out dopers and methheads who continue to use, have NO LIFE and want everyone to be like them. We will not respond as the poor and ignorant of Oakland trash and burn their own neighborhoods. They are doing exactly what Obama wants. Watch for all sorts of Home Security Executive Orders that will infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. This is exactly what he wants and he is using the ignorant and poor as pawns in a very dangerous game.
You are whats wrong with the republican party. You get so wound up in your conspiracy theories you lose all basis of reality.
I honestly feel sorry for you. It must be hard sleeping with a tin-foil hat on.
you’re a liar, that isn’t true. Go eat a dick and next time, walk around the streets to know the real deal.
Yes, that is the truth. Thank you.
UPDATE: Johannes Mehserle has been convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter of Oscar Grant.
Murder seemed to be a dubious charge under the circumstances; involuntary manslaughter seems about right and this was the decision of a jury of his peers. It seems that many elements in the community were going to use this as an excuse to riot knowing that a murder verdict was not likely. Will you be posting updates in the event of riots?
I’ll post updates in the comments section below. If the riots get really big, it will become national news anyway, and you’ll know all about it.
Now the question is will he get the proper 10-15 years in jail or will they give him a pass.
LET THE RIOT BEGIN!!!…or maybe not.
Just not that much fun to stage a riot someplace where you can’t break any glass or loot!
Yeah…let’s throw things at the plywood and watch them bounce off! Yippee!
Oakland is a third-world welfare-city anyway. Let it go up in flames… no loss to this country.
Come on man, that is really ignorant of you. There are a lot of hard-working, employed, law-abiding people that live in Oakland, myself included. I certainly don’t want my home or city burned. Rioting is wrong, and I hope it fizzles out, but the heartlessness you displayed (and I’ve seen in a lot of posts) is troubling.
Not many comments here from Oakland residents. This is a tough city. There is a lot of unemployment and decay. It is a fact that many people feel oppressed by the police. This is a very hard place to be a police officer, and in trying to do their jobs they sometimes go too far. There are very few cops here for the size and crime level of the city so they are under a lot of pressure. There is a distrust of law enforcement here, much of it unfair, but it is real. This BART cop certainly looks like he let anger get the best of him and killed this young man. Let’s hope the community is satisfied with the verdict and we don’t have another riot.
I disagree with you that the BART cop looked like he let anger get to him. Involuntary manslaughter is what I have been saying all along and am glad the jury saw it for what it was. Unfortunately Burris and Grant’s family seems to be riling up the Oakland community to riot with their speeches of “justice has not been served”. Yes it has. The jury has decided. I just hope those few good people in Oakland are indoors tonight, as for me, I’m working from home tomorrow and avoiding the East Bay till this calms down.
I feel the same way about Dallas.
Listen, they shot J.R., realized it was a mistake, brought him back, and then shot him again. Hardly entertainment gold, but there is no reason to get angry about it. If you don’t like it, don’t by the box set.
What a coincidence, I train Dallas to be an entity (as defined by the Texas Secretary of State’s office.)
* references available upon request
“Doctor, he’s crashing! Can we save him?”
“No Nancy. We’d better call it. Time of dunce? 5:37AM. ‘Teh stoopid’ has claimed another victim. Damn you, ‘teh stoopid’! Damn you to hell!”
“Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (GmbH) (English: company with limited liability) is a type of legal entity very common in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and other German-speaking Central European countries. The name of the GmbH form emphasizes the fact that the owners (Gesellschafter, also known as members) of the entity are not personally liable for the company’s debts.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_mit_beschränkter_Haftung
Oscar Grant wasn’t murdered but that doesn’t matter to violence-prone anarchists, and socialists just itching for a bash-party.
Guilty.
The Jury Immunity flyer is left over from the Ed Rosenthal trials, urging jurors to be fair and NOT convict Rosenthal a second time on false evidence. Stop being so hysterical.
Well, during the Rodney King riots in LA, store owners calmly and quietly holding long guns at their businesses were far more effective than anything else in dissuading rioters. Never had to shoot, the rainbow-coalition of dirtbags taking advantage of the chaos to loot stores simply bypassed them for unprotected stores.
as iron maiden said, “run to the hills, run for your life”. as i say “stand up and shut ‘em down”. don’t let them(whom ever them might be.)take over with out a fight.
Burning stuff that’s not yours and looting stores is cowardly and stupid. If you are really for “revolution”, etc, pick up a gun and go toe-to-toe with the government. If you’re not willing to do that, then you’re just full of crap and an stuck-in-adolescence loudmouth.
“Get off my lawn.”
O.K. I’m a late arrival. Interesting case, the D.A., the judge and the jury all did their jobs the way they are supposed to be done, and the Jury went for Involuntary. I could have gone the other way, the elements of murder could have been inferred from the facts of the shooting, or not. As a former prosecutor, I would have been severely diappointed if I did not get at least I.M. Pistols do not go off on their own. There were plenty of tune-up options available to the Policeman short of pointing a loaded weapon, finger in the trigger, at the middle of the victim’s back.
Could it have been something as simple as a really good job by the defense?
I can see voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, but I just don’t see the evidence for the intent required for a murder conviction. I don’t see that the DA did their job well – going for Murder One was ridiculous over-reaching, and may have fostered a jury impression that this was a political prosecution, leading to a lesser conviction overall.
In my jurisdiction the trier of fact is permitted to infer both intent to kill and malice from the striking of a vital part of the body with a dangerous instrument. It then falls to the Defendant to explain his actions in pointing a loaded gun with his finger on the trigger at the victim’s back. Involuntary Manslaughter was a good verdict. It could have been more; it should not have been less. I’ve been in law enforcement, and I don’t much like critters, but I like pigs even less.
Gentlemen if you want to destroy my business, livelyhood, threaten my life and my loved ones, please meet my Model 870 Remington shotgun with 00 buckshot and my .45 auto. I sleep well at night and you will forever.
This is just like LA in 1992. Rodney King was someone who was exploited. Then just like now a group made it race against other race to justify crazy anarchist type behavior. If the riots do come and I believe they will nothing good will come from them. All that will happen is rioters will get hurt and some killed. This will be another set back in race relations. One race is hoping for it to send a message. That message is “we don’t have to play by your societies rules”. Killing, destroying and stealing will not solve anything or provide any type of justice.
Everyone knows that this will be used as an excuse for a certain group to go on a “shopping spree” under the guise of a “protest”. Hopefully the Koreans have kept up with their shooting skills…………….
A Nation of Islam Minister is now giving a speech in front of the LA courthouse, of behalf of Oscar Grant’s family. “I bear witness that Mohammed is the prophet of the one true God…” etc. Ay caramba!
Wow. That is a not-so-subtle way to co-opt a tragedy for their own cause. Maybe they can go the extra mile and tie this into a Zionist conspiracy cooked up by Karl Rove over burning copies of “Dreams of My Father” in the alter under Fox News headquarters.
Rove? Dreams of my Father? Did you know that Rove’s dad was gay? I think maybe you did, Dr Freud.
Nobody in the world would make such a connection, except for somebody ‘involved’ with Karl Rove’s father’s sexuality. Man, you are out of this world.
You sound “offended.” It’s . . . OK. Don’t let this distract you, lord know you already have a lot to be “offended” about, but the federal ban on gay marriage was just ruled un-Constitutional.
Rove’s dad’s sexuality is no one’s business but his own. In case you didn’t get the joke, I was making fun of people exactly like you that tend to link unrelated events to some all-encompassing conspiracy carried out by “you people.” Notice I did not resort to some grand brush stroke, but singled you out. Because you think like that. And it is pitiable.
Really? . . . “Maybe they can go the extra mile . . . ” So tell me, which individual are you referring to when you say “they?”
(Come on, I now you’re old and it’s late, but try to focus.)
“They” in this post is a clear reference to people who want to co-opt a tragedy for their own cause. You probably could have figured this out when I said “That is a not-so-subtle way to co-opt a tragedy for their own cause.”
A chronic case of ‘teh stoopid’ is a terrible affliction to have, but it doesn’t have to be terminal.
Oh, so “they” is “them” as defined by “their.” Thanks for clearing that up. You’re right, that’s some powerful logicating you gots goin’ on. Whew!
*sigh*. Here is the relevant portion of my original quote:
“That is a not-so-subtle way to co-opt a tragedy for their own cause. Maybe they can go the extra mile…” Your original question involved my use of “they.” Directly preceding the sentence in question is a reference to people who want to “co-opt a tragedy for their own cause.” Immediately following the portion, “their own cause”, I go on to make fun of “them”, meaning people who want to “co-opt a tragedy for their own cause.” Instead of repeating “The people who want to co-opt a tragedy for their own cause”, I used the accepted pronoun “they.” To anyone who hasn’t pitched his yurt in the desserts of vapidity, this would require no explanation. For you, it has taken two. This is just a mind-numbingly terminal, chronic and perhaps infectious case of ‘teh stoopid.’ I’m going to disinfect my computer screen.
i understand your sigh . . . in fact, I can see you standing in the corner with a paint brush in your hand wondering, “Well, I did it again.”
“People” . . .”They” . . .”Their” . . . “Them” . none of those square with your high horse whinny . . . “Notice I did not resort to some grand brush stroke . . . ” But you did, because the reference you were “they”ing about referred to “A Nation of Islam Minister . . . ” an individual. And yet, you said “Maybe they can go the extra mile and tie this into a Zionist conspiracy . . .’
““ore so of base”” . . . that’s Latin for “a grand brush stroke.”
I’ll not explain this one three times; if you’re not bright enough to deal with this after two explanations, you’ll never get it.
You do realize that PJM lets you continue to publish your drivel because we’re all laughing at you, don’t you?
These are people basically with pink toothpaste where their prefrontal cortex should be. You know, the part of the brain that develops after puberty, but doesn’t develop terribly well in the presence of habitually negative emotions, drugs, etc. Unfortunately, it’s the brain section where faculties such as the ability to make long-term plans and carry them through, think positively, and find constructive, unitive solutions are localized. More likely to find those qualities in the “pigs,” I believe.
And the planners of these riots are already looking ahead to start the lead-plans for the next round. They can riot because it goes this way…or that way….or didn’t go THAT way……they just want to riot. If they don’t have a reason at hand, they’ll invent one.
Some people just like rioting.
So bummed you took the pic of the Cannabis Cruiser out of this article… Added a certain something…
The Cannabis Cruiser picture is still there — just click on “View as Single Page” or Page 2.
I think the medical cannabis dispensaries should give away free marijuana to take the edge off…
Since I live 10,000 km away, will someone tell me what a Cannabis Cruiser is?
Oh dear, Oscar Grant’s mother is talking now, sounding like a Pentecostalist, while being hugged by the NOI guy. “Spiritual corruption!” Etc.
Now Mayor Dellums is speaking in Oakland, underhandedly encouraging the rioters, while pretending not to. He seems to want his city to burn.
Didn’t they (the infamous “they”) once sarcastically refer to rioting as “urban renewal”. Perhaps Mayor Dellums is thinking of all the Federal money that could be headed his way.
Now Dellums, the Mayor of Oakland, just said “Notwithstanding the election of Barack Obama, there is racism in this country!” Blaming the verdict in racism. Now he says, “Justice has not been served.”
Never before has there been an American mayor who essentially encouraged rioters in his own city.
Zombie,
The obvious question – does Mehserle plan to appeal, and is there any sense he can get the verdict overturned on appeal?
I have no idea if he plans to appeal or not. I guess we’ll find out over the upcoming months.
Now a pre-rioter is talking on KTVU, :”If tearing up some stores is what we gotta do to take back our city then that’s what we gotta do! Take back the streets! The streets belong to us.”
Announcer: “So you’re saying the riot is going forward?”
Guy: “It’s gonna happen!”
Just when I thought my utter loathing of humanity couldn’t get any deeper…
. . . you landed here.
and read your comments.
. . . and raised my hands to the good Lord in thanks that at least one person had the guts to speak the truth.
Hosannah . . . somda pops a moomoo won sotoopoosala (Sarah pain said that once in church. Seriously. That’s the gal I want for president.)
agree with the story about law and order being maintained, but this verdict is a disgrace, small wonder people are p’d off
Helicopter-cam over 14th and Broadway shows the crowd there is rapidly swelling and has already trapped busses and stopped all traffic. Buzzing like an angry hive. The initial meeting time of 6pm haven’t even arrived yet.
Hoo Boy. NoI, a Religion of Peace? Somehow I doubt it.
The stupidity fomented by the rioting masses is this: They can win the support of many more people through peaceful protest than with a riot. The police officer made a terrible mistake. He will pay for it dearly. He will likely never be able to work as a cop anywhere.
Not only are they sending him to jail, his life’s work, his career, is over. I think that’s justice. If they still riot, then there is little hope for Oakland. With riots averaging every decade or so, who the hell would want to set up shop there? Oakland will become a warehouse of misery and poverty.
Bank on it.
If the cop goes to jail, it’s unlikely he will survive more than a few months.
Schwarzenegger just released a statement calling for peace. Good luck with that, Arnie. The edginess and chaos in downtown Oakland are already started to manifest.
OOOOH, white anarchists are trying to start something!
Black protesters are standing around, as yet doing nothing. But about 20 white anarchists are running around with bandannas on, kind of challenging the cops and seeing if they can ignite something. EXACTLY as I predicted in the post.
Also, I can head the bullhorns of World Can’t Wait egging on the crowd. Once again, EXACTLY as I predicted.
Zombie – Really glad that you are on top of this story but it’s hard to congratulate you on you foresight. This script is old news and has been played out more often than a high school production of “Romeo and Juliet.” Of course it was going to come together this way. This is right out of “Rioting for Dummies 2.0.”
That being said thanks for the great job you are doing with this.
100 White anarchists are now at 11th and Broadway in a face-off with the police.
This photo essay by me is intended to document how far-left groups — i.e. mostly white anarchists and communists — will be the ones inciting the riot. So far, everything is coming true exactly as predicted.
This is less about race as it is about how the far left manipulates people for their nefarious ends.
white anarchists, commies . . . and bears! Oh my!
Ain’t no riot. Hope you aren’t disappointed.
Zombie, many thanks for the updates. You’re leaving the MSM in the dust. If there were any justice, you’d be paid extra for the real-time reporting.
Actually, don’t give me so much credit. I’m not actually in downtown Oakland — I’m just scanning the internet and flipping through local TV channels, radio, blogs etc. So most of my commentary here in the comments is derived from media resources (like their helicopter, etc.)
Speaking of which: ANSWER just showed up with “JAIL ALL RACIST KILLER COPS” banners — more communist involvement.
Wow! Was that modesty I just heard? Then you CAN’T be a member of an “elite media organization.” Kudos!
Excellent article! I wish I was in Oakland right now!
Well all this bitchin about unfair treatment, hell half of the taxes I pay is for social services for these so called community school drop outs who turn thugs because that is what life dealt them. Whatever, Grant was sent to prison in a previous weapon charge but I guess that is ok cause dat the way we do!Poor Poor Grant, black man innocent of all crimes and life dealt him the grim reaper card. You all should be ashamed their are good Americans losing their lives in foreign countries for your freedom, so you can terrorize oakland and deal your smack and watch MTV. The American Soldier deserves the attention but they don’t get half the publicity you give this shit bag Grant, so for all the protesters looking for an excuse, shit in your own neighborhood cause you don’t want to be comin down mine or you will be joining the the other sorry ass soles that we sent to heaven, domestic terrorism sounds like your game!
Well, thanks anyway. I was born in Oakland and would like to see it survive.
Will the Emperor send in Belisarius to steer the rioters towards a more civil frame of mind?
Let’s see how many people get that reference!
I love how they accuse everyone else of racism, and then they attack other races when they riot. The hypocrisy is vast enough to bridge the Pacific Ocean with an 8 lane highway. I hope Oakland burns down. Send in the National Guard. There was a great story during the LA riots where some dog-raping dirtbag tried to drive his car at some National Guard troopers. The troopers opened up with their *automatic* weapons and shredded the car, making it swerve away and hit a wall. The scumbags who riot are degenerate youth, and NOTHING is funnier is when they try to attack the real adult world and get obliterated in the blink of an eye. They’re used to fighting with other scummy youth and then they take on the real world and POOF! Gone in a haze of red.
Thug life. Go figure.
Gonna be a hot time in Oaktown tonight.
Just a soon as the Berkeley/SF Black Blocs can scrounge BART fare to Fruitvale and rile up the crowd.
Actually, some rioting and destruction by the plunger lips would be a good thing. It will help stimulate the economy as the insurance companies shell out money to replace the items carted off & the property that is damaged. Maybe Obama can sit down and have a Ripple Wine summit in the midst of the smoldering ruins for a good photo opportunity as well. Now, if only us whites could learn to loot, riot & burn, we could get back some of what we have put in…………….
[Update--Note from Admin: This comment was left by a known moby (a troll trying to imitate an actual commenter to make the site look bad). We're leaving it up so that people can see the kind of tactics mobys use.]
plunger lips! . . . That’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout! For a minute there I thought you were going to make conservatives look bad by saying something racist. WHEW!
P. W. Herman = skeeziks
That is all.
You have good reason for wishing that were true, but alas, tis not. He’s all yours. Deal.
And King Samir Shabazz is yours. Deal.
And besides, given your darkies comment above, why shouldn’t I think P. W. Herman is you?
Pick one. It’s more powerful that way.
I leave the choice to you.
Grow a pair, Nancy.
How’s the resume coming along?
I have no need for a resume. I am blissfully and independently immune from the application process (and the validation process so prevalent among the esteem-challenged here in conservaworld). Best you wish you could say the same.
So you were just B.S.ing when you said
“Here’s’ where I should say that I’m more than comfortable with my level of education. In fact, let me forward my resume. I think you’ll be surprised (and soon after, depressed.) But why bother?”
Kinda figured.
Translation: Skeeziks lives in his mom’s basement and has refrigerator priviledges.
Like the possible instigators stir things up from outside in Oakland, mobies try to stir things up in the comments here.
Perhaps they were sent from the same places.
heh skeeziks doesnt even know how to change his style along with the name. fail
I guess that makes you e.e.cummings . . . maybe not.
I think that the whole anarcho-commie connection is pure misdirection. If you adhere to the old adage “follow the money” it quickly becomes obvious who is behind this riot.
In fact, they may have manufactured the shooting in the first place to set the stage…yes, I am speaking of the Plywood-Industrial Complex.
Known by many names, “The Plymanatti”, “the Builder-Boarders”, the “Panel Panel”, foments chaos in many forms, in many places, for one purpose. One World Government in the form of One Single Parliament. That’s right; this is all in support of OSB.
Damnit, the First Rule of the Panel Panel is never discuss the Panel Panel.
Now that’s something we can all build on, muhuhahahaa
The most terrible tragedy is that the idiotic use of tasers in shapes that resemble service pistols has not been addressed. I had terrible uneasy feelings when I saw them, figuring in the dark, under stress, people will (and did!) reach for the wrong tool. It was a bad design that got people killed who should not have.
And Oscar Grant won’t be the only one either.
Tasers should not be shaped like service pistols period.
Secondly, what will be the impact on the California Senatorial and Gubernatorial races? Jerry Brown was Mayor of Oakland — does watching his city burn sink him? Boxer? My guess is — YES.
Because, contra Zombie, it *IS* about race, specifically, when it comes to politics. America went from 89% White in 1940 to around 65% now. There is less “give” among Whites, less willingness to accept things like riots, the defacto no civil rights for Whites in the New Black Panther case, mass immigration, and so on.
White Guilt and shame for past racism, segregation, and slavery is just about played out. Just about gone and this riot may sink things for good.
Suppose Oakland burns, what then?
Does anyone think that the White voters will do anything but bloc vote, mostly, and refuse to rebuild Oakland while in Economic Crisis? What does this say about the First (or second if you count Clinton) Black President? And his ability to bring peace/tranquility to the non-White and specifically Black and Hispanic communities?
Unemployment in California is officially 12.5%, and likely the real rate is over 20% when you include the long-term discouraged. Whites will be a minority in 2016, or so the prediction goes. The amount of “give” IMHO in the political system, among White voters, is about the same as that of Israeli voters when it comes to concessions to Palestinians. Indeed I would argue that conceptually, and emotionally, White voters in California and the US at large have shifted to viewing Blacks and Hispanics in the same view as Israeli voters see Palestinians. Obama’s support among independent (basically White) voters is at 38% — will this riot drive that down to say, 15% or so? My guess is yes. My guess is that even lifestyle SWPL liberals, when confronted with the reality: there will ALWAYS be some racial provocation or friction point between Whites and non-Whites, as part of human living … will decide to bloc vote however reluctantly for White interest group candidates.
That does not mean “the Return of David Duke,” or White supremacy, or counter-violence. White voters are mostly middle aged family folks. They don’t go out on the streets. However, it does presage the collapse among Dems of White voters the way Labor in Israel collapsed, after no agreement at all could be reached with the Palestinians.
This is something that the rioters don’t understand. They probably guarantee a Meg Whitman victory, and a Whitman acutely aware that (contrary to her business and political career up to now) her interest is in being a copy of Jan Brewer as closely as possible. Doing what she can to kill Affirmative Action, deport illegal aliens, spend as little as possible in non-White areas, your basic Identity Politics, just for White people.
Which in itself was inevitable. You can’t have, long term, identity politics and not have it spread to Whites. As the guilt goes over segregation and slavery (this riot will kill it), so does the identity and spoils politics usher in. Maybe that’s a healthy development.
It does seem we are all Israelis now.
Sheesh. A little melodramatic, ya think?
The unusual thing about this case is that a police officer was convicted. That is a rare occurance.
That is all. You can go be an Israeli now.
What matters in California is JOBS JOBS JOBS. To Israelis it is security, security, security.
In each case, it seems outside events and the inability of the Left dominated (Labor ran Israel for most of its existence) political machine to respond to the fundamental desires of the electorate together reshifted the political alignments, permanently. The Peace Party in Israel is basically non-existent.
Brown and Boxer can’t help it. They’ll run on Oscar Grant’s death requiring a civil rights prosecution by the Feds.
Instead of JOBS JOBS JOBS. Moreover, it’s not 1991 anymore. We don’t have the “give” socially, economically, or demographically as we did in the Rodney King riots.
A burnt down Oakland, assuming it happens (hopefully not) won’t get a people wondering about “injustice” and such. A promise from Whitman and Fiorina to let Oakland just sit, while jobs for the rest of California, restoration of water for Central Valley agriculture, and maybe some Keynsian defense spending for SoCal aerospace, seems … Reaganesque.
If Oakland burns to the ground the effect that will have on the State of California’s economy won’t matter much one way or the other. The chief effect is political. How it affects the races in November.
Twenty years ago this would have tilted the race decisively to Dems. Now I think it goes the other way.
I wish we had the 1991 recession. It was far better than this one.
There aren’t really that many shape possible or usable.
[Attempted moby comment.]
Note from Admin: These trolls are relentless, but amateurish (thankfully).
Who’s stealing my name??
You are. You think a couple of brackets and some italics protect you? Guess again.
Just saw on the news some footage of the growing crowd in Oakland. Among the crowd looked to be a few people from A.N.S.W.E.R. wearing their orange vests. The radical lefties keep stiring the pot on this.
Michael Chaney, above, says:
Yes, you idiot, I find it reasonable that a cop shot a guy. I find it unfortunate, because it appears that the policeman in question did not intend to shoot Oscar Grant, but rather to taze him, but his shooting him was, in context, utterly reasonable
We pay police to keep order. They are armed because it is necessary, sometimes, to keep order with armed force rather than “pretty please.” And when assholes—yes, assholes, of whatever color—decide to uncork chaos, the assholes have no right to whine about having gotten more than they bargained for, once they uncorked it. Police—surprise!—are human, and they go into situations that are potentially life-threatening on our behalf. They deserve our support, not simpleminded condemnation, for the occasional (very occasional) time that things get out of hand. They deal with thugs on a daily basis and hope to make it home alive; your vile condemnation, out of hand, of the officer in this instance as “human garbage” makes that more difficult, and makes the public order on which you, you hypocritical piece of shit, rely to be able to comfortably spew your facile platitudes.
Yes, “we pay police to keep order”. Shooting a prone man is not how order is necessarily kept.
The officer, for all his “utterly reasonable” actions according to you, was convicted by a jury.
DB sez “the officer was convicted by a jury.”
Yes. We’ll leave aside the issue of whether or not the jury reached a political rather than an evidentiary decision, as the jury in the OJ case did. We will, rather, assume that the jury’s verdict was honest and just, and not swayed by the demagoguery of revanchist racists.
If that is the case, then justice was served, because the officer was held accountable for having committed an error in judgment. And if that is the case, then the revanchist racists in downtown Oakland are criminals, one and all, refusing to accept the rule of law—and, if they choose to riot in defiance of the rule of law, deserve to be shot like dogs.
You were saying…?
Sorry, that last sentence should read:
They deal with thugs on a daily basis and hope to make it home alive; your vile condemnation, out of hand, of the officer in this instance as “human garbage” makes that more difficult, and makes the public order on which you, you hypocritical piece of shit, rely to be able to comfortably spew your facile platitudes, that much harder to maintain.
I apologize for my comments on comment #50 (plunger lips). I should have used the politically correct version of “Enhanced Orifice Bumpers”. Mea Culpa.
But once again, this shows how innocent words can be taken as “racial”. Afterall, Mick Jagger has some plunger lips too.
I’m suprised nobody complained about the “Ripple Wine” comment and Obama………
Because you’re boring, moby.
God, skeeziks, you aren’t even trying anymore. For shame.
Embarrassing to have that putz in your tribe, isn’t it? Not possible? Have you heard Orly Taitz? And while I admit to wishing I could be her for a day, just to experience what schizophrenia is like, i cannot claim her for my own . . . being . . . person . . . business . . . entity . . . I am not Orly Taitz (though I have a sneaking suspicion that Larry and/or Jacob may indeed be . . . Orly . . . Titz . . . excuse me . . . Taitz. Or maybe she’s G. Gordon Liddy.
Hail Rush. Go Sarah!
Your Jew-hating radar is always up and rotating; that’s clear.
And where is Barack’s certificate; in Kenya? My opinions about Obama’s birth facts and social security cards comes from investigations of my own. No connection to Ms. Taetz, but she is probably right.
If you are black, as you wrote above, then it must be very difficult to wait for the exposure of all the official lies about Obama-Soetoro, whose entire personal past is shrouded. You know it’s coming. I’m sure you will blame the Jews.
Jews? What do the Jews have to do with it? is Orly Taitz jewish? news to me if she is. Now, for you birther tendencies, you’ll take that frustration to your grave, because “real Americans” have long since moved on. You got proof? Show it. Otherwise, i suggest you spend your time on more fruitful endeavors – maybe a macaroni sketch of Sarah Palin . . . from behind.
Is it any more embarrassing for you to have King Samir Shabazz in your tribe? And besides, we have yet to hear P.W. Herman say that you are not him. But then again, why do I get this feeling that “P.W.” stands for “Pee-wee”?
Maybe because you think everything stands for pee wee.
I take it, then, that you are not embarrassed by Shabazz?
Keep up the good work there, bubba. Be sure to look me up when you go to the big Glenn Beck MLK rally. I’ll be the black one.
Bubba? Don’t you mean “you people?” The fact that the only racist comments made on this board have come from you and a moby should be a cause for concern. You know, a cause for concern for smarter people, or something.
Crowd in downtown Oakland now up to 3,000. On the plus side, the Oakland cops are there EN MASSE, and may very well be able to quell the riot. They are so far successful in keeping the crowd encircled. So far, everything is under control.
Maybe they should just let them run free. Let them and the anarchists burn the city down to show just how absurdly destructive this all is.
I think it’d be great if there is no riot, despite the white wannabe revolutionaries’ agitation. The little MasterCard Marxists can run back home and tweet about how the “stood up to the Man” and Oakland won’t have a big ugly mess to clean up.
MasterCard Marxists is one of best expressions I’ve ever heard.
Indeed, it is one to cherish.
Really? I know it has two Ms in it and all, but . . . tell you what, let me open your eyes to a whole new world of “expressions.”
http://shakespeare.mit.edu/
It takes a little getting use to, but trust me, after a few years you’ll wonder why you were so impressed with “Mastercard Marxists.” Who knows, you may even gan a little standing.
The reason why I find it quite a good expression is because it perfectly describes a group of young people from middle-class backgrounds who revel in Marxist ideology, such as the exploitation of the proletariat, when they have an utter disdain for the working classes. This ideology is widely available in some wealthy leftist enclaves such as Berkley where Marxist ideology is widely accepted despite by people from “bourgeois” backgrounds. You could also call them Champagne socialists, and you can bet that any proletariat “rabble” never makes it onto their guest lists.
Are you going to post an inane response to everything I say only to prove me right about your chronic case of ‘teh stoopid?’ I may have misdiagnosed you. It may be terminal after all. (As we say here “Keine Prognose durch die Hose.)
‘Are you going to post an inane response to everything I say…’
Yes, he is. He started his asininity in the first post in this thread. Most of the blogs on PJM have shut him out at this point. So pickings are slim. As long as Zombie allows him to disrupt the conversation with inanities, he will continue to bray like a jack@$$ in the comments to every article Zombie writes.
“Most of the blogs on PJM have shut him out at this point.”
That’s true. I consider it to be cowardly. It’d be tough for Zombie to allow “shit-rimmed lips” and disallow my casual observations, but i won’t be surprised if it happens. (Then again, he knows I’m good for his comments count.) That’ll leave only Victor Davis Hansen who believes in my First Amendment rights. Hmm, I wonder why the man who is widely regarded as the biggest thinker and the best writer on this site feels that way about little old me. Maybe y’all should figure on that awhile.
Banning a posturing jack@ss from polite company is not cowardice. It’s good management.
I think Zombie is smart enough to see cause and effect in the “shit-rimmed lips” comment made in disgust about your plunger lips baiting. Not a very effective attempt at deflection. Might work in Huffpo comments, but not in intelligent company.
I doubt anyone but another self-absorbed jack@$$ would call your method of capering for attention casual observations.
If every bray you’ve made and every disgusted response to your braying were removed from this thread, the ‘comments count’ would probably increase with reflective give and take. But once a asinine troll shows up, a lot of people don’t bother contributing. Which is exactly what your juvenile ‘hey, look at me caper like a fool’ shtick intends to accomplish. Deflect the adults from conversing in peace. Nothing added but white noise.
I doubt Dr Hansen could care less about little old you specifically. If you were capable of understanding what he writes, you’d realize that you epitomize the type of dishonest progressive cannon fodder, incapable of critical thinking, that is harming the country.
You have no idea what First Amendment rights mean if you think they guarantee you the right to disrupt a private forum. You can screech about your inane political beliefs all you want on soapbox in a public park, probably do, and no one has the right to silence you. Take your soapbox onto private property and try the same and you get arrested and any public defender unlucky to draw you will laugh at your whing about your first amendment rights.
You’re a failed clown skeeziks. Any comic relief you provided wore out a long time ago.
You didn’t say “quite a good expression” . . . you said “one of the best expressions I’ve ever heard.” I think that’s ridiculous. Typical, but ridiculous. You’ve already proven your propensity for hyperbole in your overwrought defense of fallacious thinking, and now you resort to defining the derivative, unimaginative term rather than admitting your obsequious judgment of some vague group (AKA “they”) who disagree with your stunted world view. To intentionally misrepresent your own words, never mind those of others, is sinking to a new low. Stop before you apply to Fox News.
First off, skeeziks, a bit of HW for the weekend: get this book (http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Style-Fourth-William-Strunk/dp/020530902X). It’ll improve your writing ability.
Tell you what, we’ll continue to say “Mastercard Marxist” as long you continue to say “Faux News”. Fair? Balanced, even?
“You’ve already proven your propensity for hyperbole in your overwrought defense of fallacious thinking, and now you resort to defining the derivative, unimaginative term rather than admitting your obsequious judgment of some vague group (AKA “they”) who disagree with your stunted world view.”
Doctor, heal thyself.
Don’t be bitter. Stick with the textbooks. They were written for people like you, you know, you people.
KTVU is now interviewing a self-identified a World Can’t Wait member who is frothing at the mouth about murder. Unreal.
Sorry Mr. Manson, your big race riot doesn’t seem to be happening tonight.
Try to save your big freak outs until there’s actually a riot to report.
I’m tired of the “World Can’t Wait” people. I’d like to see a plus-sized counterdemonstration group—given how we’re constantly told that Americans are too fat—under the banner of “The World Gains Weight.”
Have the hots for Big Mohamed do you?? You ore so of base it is unbelievable please put to aluminum foil back on your head and go back to your meds.
Put down the bong, dude. I’d say you’re posting on the wrong thread. Hell, the wrong website…
“ore so of base”
Is this Latin?
What channel is the live feed on? I want to do my part and identify some criminals.
I can’t think of anything sadder than those photos of an American city boarded up like some terrorist-ridden part of Baghdad. This is what “progressivism” has led to.
Boy Zombie, they sure come out of the woodwork when they can’t find a reasonable argument, You racist you (and me I guess)
A few essential facts for the uninformed:
1. Earlier on New Years Eve, 2009, just a few hours before Oscar Grant was shot, a different group of passengers was bothering riders on the same BART line, and when confronted by officers, one of them pulled out a gun, but fled before firing it, and eventually jumped off the platform at Oakland West while fleeing and was seriously injured. So the BART cops already knew that unruly passengers on BART that night were toting guns, and so were justifiably on edge.
2. The autopsy on Oscar Grant revealed that he was totally hopped up on alcohol, cocaine and FENTANYL, a heroin substitute more powerful than dilaudid. He was totally stoned and probably out of his gourd and irrational.
3. Oscar Grant himself was arrested for brandishing a gun a few years earlier, convicted and spent jail time over it. He was a known thug, despite his canonization in the media.
4. The gang Oscar Grant was with that night was rampaging up and down the BART train terrorizing the passengers and brawling with anybody who would fight. Oscar was in the thick of it.
These mitigating facts seriously cast the incident in a different light. BART cops are not like “mall cops” as some have described them: they are in a highly dangerous situation on a daily basis and have to deal with gangs with guns, terrorism threats, and just plain thugs like Oscar Grant running rampant in the system. No wonder Mehserle was seriously stressed out, because he was acutely aware of the gun incident on the same line a short time earlier.
Before you condemn Mehserle based on emotion, put yourself in his shoes. Stress-induced accident is entirely believable. And not a single witness ever said that Mehserle ever did anything unprofessional aside from this one incident.
These ‘essentials’ should be shouted from the mountain tops.
In fact, I think I will.
Before you condemn Mehserle based on emotion, put yourself in his shoes. Stress-induced accident is entirely believable. And not a single witness ever said that Mehserle ever did anything unprofessional aside from this one incident.
Mehserle was not condemned based on emotion. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter (with a gun enhancement) by a jury based on the evidence. Quit making excuses for him, or do you make excuses for most convicted felons? He is facing a possible 14 years in prison. You may not like it, but those are the essential facts.
Mumia Jabal redivivus – the police acted stupidly – Holders sez let Mumia free –
Mehserle is a good man and a good policeman having a really bad “Berkeley U ethnical studies” day – it is not the first time a cop under pressure mistakes a pistol for a teaser -
Mehserle is a good man and a good cop with an good record – yet Grant was a full blast scumbag witn a solid convictions record –
Mumia Jabal – sorry, Grant – would have killed Mehserle, and anyone around if he had the chance – and all his fellows would have done the same – policemen or simply passer-byes –
How one in his mind (liberals do not qualify for this, of course), would rate this silly incident?
barge captain I will assume you know what you are talking about because it does sound reasonable. By tying the hands of our authorities we restrict their ability to use discipline on the unruly. The unruly, on the other hand, have no self discipline that promotes honesty and leads to peace and prosperity. The wise man said foolishness must be dealt with by firm discipline and good training. We may understand how a pool ball will stop when it hit another ball and the second ball pick up the energy and continues the motion. We may understand the triple bank shot and other fancy maneuvers but without practice and training we can’t make it work. This same reasoning works for peace and prosperity. Riots won’t do the job and lawlessness won’t make the police less violent, seeing that they are empowered to be violent to sustain their authority. If you don’t like the police then lets just pull them all out of the cities and let nature take its course. Would that be satisfactory?
You whites that wonder why we riot should just ask yourself what other weapon do we have? And don’t give me that we have a black president jive so everthing going to be cool.
What “weapon” are you talking about? If thug behavior were not exalted in the black community, you would have far fewer people being killed—by police or by black thugs—because black men would not be engaging in thug behavior. Black thug behavior has been over-tolerated by the larger society for some forty years, because it is easier, up to a point, to tolerate it when it is confined to the black community than it is to listen to the endless tiresome keening of “racism” by demagogues when attempts are made to change the exaltation of thuggishness in the black community, but when such behavior spills over to the larger society it does, rightly, get slapped down, sometimes with tragic consequences.
Actually, we don’t wonder.
Fact of the matter is…we don’t really care WHY you riot. We care that you DO.
Who’s “we”, kemosabe?
We are people who don’t like wasting money on the current necessity of keeping riot cops on salary.
I was responding to Shamanda.
What makes you think you need any weapons?
Samanda, riots are never a tool of justice or the fruit of peace. There are many tools available to you that produce far better results.
Where is Big O? Shouldn’t he like to step in, and say some priceless words. If he just tells them something like, “Look, it did look like an accident in the video… what do you want?, his head on a pike… You want Blood? All of you don’t have enough blood to pay for the crimes you’ve committed. Now…, GO HOME. This means you too, illegals.”
If he said something like that it would help, maybe. Two birds with one stone, too.
Oakland Chief of Police is now speaking and says everything is contained so far. Let’s hope it stays that way.
Intelligence?
Oscar Grant’s grandfather is being interviewed right now and, despite being angry at the verdict and at Officer Pirone, just said the shooting “looked like a mistake to me,” because of the confusion over the taser. If he admits he thinks it’s a mistake, then that’s saying that involuntary homicide is the correct verdict.
He also said some very reasonable things about how rioting is totally counter-productive. Seemed like an upright kinda guy.
Unlike other members of his family and their lawyer that want to rile up people with their speeches of injustice and “it’s murder” comments.
‘Cuz he’s from a different generation. Almost a different planet.
He was probably part of the generation that came before welfare destroyed the Black community.
The bookstore picture: how did a Jerome Corsi book make it into the Bay Area without the store windows being smashed? Maybe they’re giving him leeway because he’s a Truther.
Gee Shamanda, maybe ask yourself why you have to riot and be lawless? Why don’t you write a letter to the editor like some biatch in Iowa. Me, I just like to complain. Screw your President, I don’t what color he is, he’s a Marxist.
Sure, a cop in front of a large crowd of witnesses decides he’s going to point blank range shoot a detainee in the back intentionally. Makes sense to me. So everyone, let’s have a riot to set things straight. Is this what they call the law of the jungle? Sorry, I meant Oakland.
Someone please explain, what’s a plunger lip??
Well, visualize Skeezy and any MoveOnOrg creep with a Joker make-up and lips rimmed with shit –
In case you can’t figure Skeezy, go through this thread – he’s always present, can’t miss his shit-rimmed lips -
Ahhhhh, that’s the dialectic I’ve come to expect from the conservative mind. So rich. So thoughtful. Powerful in its, well, simpleosity. Might I suggest a new and more worthy moniker for your future posts, a subtle transmogrification you might say (if you knew what that meant) of your current nom de PJs . . . cloaca.
Don’t thank me.
What a sad little life you must lead, if all you have is juvenile schoolyard insults flung at people you don’t even know, except for the cartoon caricature you’ve drawn in your head.
This is too simple . . . you castigate me and not alceste for what he said about me. That’s just candy-ass. Butch up, Marie, your embarrassing Rush.
Here is where I should make another point about “you people” and how you condescend to posters on this site for having low intelligence, but are not really comfortable with your own level of education, but why bother? You should save all of this and read it again on your 18th birthday to see if you’ve learnt anything. That is if ‘teh stoopid’ doesn’t take you down first.
Here’s’ where I should say that I’m more than comfortable with my level of education. In fact, let me forward my resume. I think you’ll be surprised (and soon after, depressed.) But why bother?
Better yet, Crispix, why don’t you just post the text of your resume right here in the comments section?
“Cloaca” – and cloaca maxima is the right description for your fucked-up brains, skeez -
also, you can check with Barry and Larry Sinclair about the meaning of cloaca – they sure know much about each other’s cloaca –
Still, I’m impressed – you used “dialectic”, then “cloaca” – how many Barries “Austrian language” Soetoro you had to put together to find out those terms?
Oh, I forgot – it’s Michelle’s Princeton thesis where you guys can find important words -
And now get lost, ignoramus -
Don’t worry, Lorraine, it will scab over in a few days. Don’t pick at it.
It is an extremely sad situation. A mother looses her son … A Child is loosing their father. Alot of people are screaming in the streets demanding change, but yet change needs to start with the people in the streets. How can anyone benefit from anyone’s angry words and violent actions. Regardless of the situation, stop and look at even people treat each other with just words on this blog. Change begins when one really wants to change for themselves. Today was the beginning of change. Everyone in this world makes mistakes, Everyone in this world makes a wrong decision and not one of you is not guilty of doing something wrong in a moment of weakness. Regardless, if you believe in God or what goes around comes around. Violence and obsenities is never a justifiable reason for retaliation or vengence. SADLY, profiling and labeling is still a huge factor of everything in this world, from the color of your skin to the type of clothes you wear to the size of your waist, it always will be, but stop and look at the people in those streets, there is someone from all races in that crowd, wearing different types of clothing and in every different shape and size. This is not about a certain and only one race, this is about everyone out there in this world who is treated unjustly in this world and today people are out there ignoring the family of the gentleman whom was tragically killed, those people are not out there seeking justice for Oscar Grant when you disrespect his family and his memory and the overwhelming outcry for everyone to remain calm and to stop the violence. Again, today is a sad day, this is a sad part of history A Mother has lost her son and a Child is loosing their father.
75 Tired, you speak of profiling in the negative. “SADLY, profiling and labeling is still a huge factor of everything in this world, from the color of your skin to the type of clothes you wear to the size of your waist, it always will be, but stop and look at the people in those streets, there is someone from all races in that crowd, wearing different types of clothing and in every different shape and size.” Profiling is a two way street. Like many other things it can be abused but it can exculpate as well as inculpate. When we are honest it is a very valuable tool. It has been given a bad rap by those bad apples that don’t want you to know where they actually stand, including the agitators for these riots.
The whole thing is a plot to further the communist NWO agenda…just wait and see.
Nice work again, Zombie.
Just got in and don’t see a flashing siren on Drudge. Can I presume all is cool?
Almeda County police scanner, if you’re inclined.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=183
http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/files/2010/07/IMG_4026.jpg
Good job, Zombie, you caught a drug dealer!
Oscar Grant is a hero, sure he had prior conviction and goes around and be a public nuisance but that should not stop us from propping him up with the likes of Martin Luther King, and surely like Barack Obama.
Bring in the National Guard, water cannons, and tanks, if need be. You riot, you die.
all cops should just quit now
if he gets 14 years for an accident, then all hope is lost
so what’s next
you bump into an african american person’s car in a parking lot and you get attempted murder if you happen to be “white”
why is mehserle “white” and grant “african american” ?
my prediction
riots start at dark tonight or tomorrow, Friday night
my wish, shop owners would stand their ground armed (as a militia) and shoot rioters on the spot and the cops refuse to get involved because they too don’t want to go to jail
what a flocking dilemma for the cops
why do they bother to go to work ?
“so what’s next . . . you bump into an african american person’s car in a parking lot and you get attempted murder if you happen to be “white” ”
No, no, no, don’t be hysterical. You walk down the street and you get kidnapped, beaten and lynched if you happen to be white. (Nah, just kidding. Nothing like that could ever happen in America. And if it does, please, just forget about it. Get over it. They didn’t really mean anything by it.)
Wow. Tough audience tonight.
good article pointing to all the usual commie agitator groups, aided and abetted by the local media and the despicable ‘mayor’ dellums….but the hype may have fizzled. it’s 9:15 and, so far, nothing resembling a riot from the small crowd. a few people stole some shoes from a foot locker store and that’s about it. however, if i hear one more person talk about how a black man can’t get a break in this country or that ‘justice’ was not served, i may start a mini-riot of my own.
If only those thugs could figure out what was really important. Like the strength of the local sports team. Then conservatives would respect them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/tennessee-football-riots_n_421255.html
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/16241177/
The death of black hoodlum doesn’t compare.
Looks like the situation is heating up as we speak.
I’m watching video of looting and many many arrests.
Astounding number of police on hand still have the would-be rioters surrounded — hundreds upon hundreds of police there.
There was about an hour and a half of rioting, a mix of anarchists and locals, and looting of the few unboarded-up stores in the confinement area. Bottles were thrown at the police. At least one police car smashed. But 100′s of police quickly starting arresting everyone misbehaving. The East Bay cops had months to prepare for this, and brought in officers from all over, including what were described as “armored tanks” from the Hayward PD.
I think the rioters really really tried to riot more, but could not overcome the sheer number of police. Unstoppable force met unmovable objects. The unmovable ones eventually won.
At least so far. Would not put it past folks to regroup after midnight to start rioting all over again.
Nevermind after midnight. It’s only Thursday, it’s going to be a long weekend of this.
If this is the case then the Oakland PD should have been giving lessons to the Toronto Police during the recent G20 conference. From al available reports the response of the TPD to the “demonstrations” was pretty pathetic.
Because, when I think of Justice for Oscar Grant, nothing does it like breaking in to a Footlocker store. Right on, man.
Get real, the people doing this are garden variety anarchists and opportunist thugs. They don’t give a damn about Oscar or even know who he is.
In case anyone’s curious, five different moby comments were written in the last hour, but the admins did not approve them.
Every single one was an amateurish attempt by this or that left-wing bozo trying to simulate what they hallucinate a racist redneck must sound like, dropping antiquated racist epithets that stopped existing decades ago outside of the self-congratulatory fantasies of these shills.
(These five comments are in addition to the other more marginal ones which slipped through the cracks upthread.)
After seeing this display, I’m quite sure that 99% of purportedly racist comment made on non-Obama-worshipping blogs are made by professional mobys who go around dropping turds on every blog they can comment on so that their liberal compatriots — to whom they report the turd-dropping — can then point out as “evidence” of tea-bagger racism.
It really seems to be the case that the adolescents have taken over the Left, and now we must all be brought down to their level.
Interesting point. As you probably know, one of the major scandals attached to the Canadian “Human Rights” Commissions concerned something similar. Under their rules a fake blogger can post a hate message on a right-wing site and then report the site to one of the various “human rights tribunals” for allowing “hate speech.” The plaintiff can collect damages for having to endure the speech that he originally posted. Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant called attention to this amazing piece of legerdamain during their own travails with different human rights tribunals and Canadian speech codes. It is very likely that Media Matters and other “progressive” outfits have teams of fake crackers posting 1940′s style bilge as a form of agents provacateur.
Look up “Richard Warman”
I’m pretty sure one of them signs with 888. Code for Hitler or something. Stupid.
Classic conservative misdirection. What choice do you have but to claim that interlopers are behind the idiocy embedded in the Tea Bagger movement? You can’t have middle of the road Americans hearing “Obama has a deep-seated hatred for white people” (Glenn Beck) or “Obama would be a tour guide in Honolulu if he weren’t black (Rush Limbaugh) or “I’m sure it’s just one of Michelle’s ancestors. It’s probably harmless.” (Rusty DePass, a long time Republican activist in South Carolina, talking about a gorilla that escaped from the local zoo) or pretty much anything Rand Paul says.
“I’m quite sure that 99% of purportedly racist comment made on non-Obama-worshipping blogs are made by professional mobys who go around dropping turds . . . ”
Really? Because I’m quite sure that 99% of racist comments made on non-Obama-worshipping blogs are made by ignorant, scat-obsessed bigots . . . ” And I don’t need to trust vague assertions not supported by evidence from a moderator for proof . . . I can just look up there to Larry in Silicon Valley . . . “In any case, African-Americans do look for reasons to burn things down . . . ” Larry? Care to disown that one? How about Saren, who wrote “I hope Oakland burns down.” or MnemonicMike who shares, “Oakland is a third-world welfare-city anyway. Let it go up in flames… no loss to this country.” All mobies, right?
Idiots like them (and PW Hermann) are part of your crew. Deal.
You are now free to ban me. I know you don’t want any roadblocks on your mindless journey to hypocritical group think.
Do you admit that Jeremiah Wright, Samir Shabazz, Bill Ayers, Hugo Chavez, and others like them are part your crew, skeez?
How does one white person assessing that Obama has a “deep-seated hatred of white people” give evidence that stereotypical or comments–or comments on physical attributes–would likely be made among the same audience? Beck didn’t say “…just like all black people”. Or he didn’t say Obama has “white-hatin’ ears”. That is an assessment Beck made, and although I like Beck to a degree, I still believe that he overstated the case in that quote. But in neither his nor in the Rush quote is their a derogatory physical categorization nor an attempt to lump Obama into a category of race.
You’re talking about three quotes that I don’t agree with, but that doesn’t make them evidential of commenting on making gross characterizations on physical attributes in a wider community.
Zombie,
Why does it matter whether mobys are trying to comment? They stick out like a sore thumb when they do and anyone reading their comments in context knows they’re atypical. Not a single regular reader, or critical thinking casual reader, accepted comments #50/56 at face value. And if the mobys intent is to run off to a fever swamp site and point to the moby comment here, again, why does that matter? The denizens of the fever swamp site get something to do – discuss the comment as if it were legit – and congratulate each other on how superior they are. They aren’t critical thinkers and so aren’t likely to question it’s provenance and rarely intellectually curious enough to check it in context. They don’t matter. So why do, or did, they or anything they post matter to the discussion?
What mattered to the discussion was allowing an utter imbecile like skeeziks to define the terms of it from comment #1. It was crystal clear that some very smart people reading this thread for information became annoyed enough to engage that jack@$$ directly.
Skeeziks played you. Even bragged about it in comment #102 and taunted you to ban him.
You sound just like the people who didn’t want black folk to play pro ball. Not because they didn’t have the right. And not because they would ruin the game. It was because they were better athletes. I beat you people with tremendous regularity. Why? Because I’m better. I’m smarter. I’m more creative and more interesting. and so you turn to the last resort, trying to embarrass Zombie into banning my posts. (You got played . . . ) Well, I think Zombie is smart enough to see through that. If you can’t handle the give-and-take envisioned by our Founding Fathers in this republic, I suggest you move to someplace less . . . challenging . . . someplace where everybody looks and thinks and talks exactly like you do. Sandpoint Idaho is mighty white this time of year. And when you close on your new house, they have a wonderful tradition. Every new homeowner gets a fife, a drum, and a three-cornered hat to wear on the weekends. It’s really patriotic. In fact, it’s all you need to claim to be a great American . . . that and a cable subscription.
Hey, you know what NBA stands for? Nothing But Africans.
Don’t let the defeated whine you into a corner, Zombie, for it is they who are the true enemy.
‘If you can’t handle the give-and-take envisioned by our Founding Fathers in this republic, ..’
Stupid @$$hole. The SCOTUS has ruled numerous times that Free Speech does not guarantee the right to be provided a forum, nor the right to harass. You want to set up a soapbox in a park and declaim your lunacy with the intent of fostering ‘give and take’, go for it.
And it was YOU who taunted Zombie to ban you because YOU thought it so clever that you could could elicit such a disgusted response to your tripe.
And if Zombie does ban you, I’m quite sure that you’ll run off to whatever monkey house you usually hang at and chortle about how Zombie is another PJM blogging coward who had to ban you because of your unassailable logic.
What a pointless existence.
One thing we can all count on in the future, unarmed BART cops.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is calling for a Federal Civil Rights case to be made.
THAT will prove interesting. Does Oscar Grant deserve (or his family) Civil Rights when White voters (and victims of attacks) do not?
Indeed, won’t that cause further racial polarization?
Mau-Mauing the Flack Catchers per Tom Wolfe only works when Whites don’t get counter-organized, don’t bloc vote, don’t form identity and spoils groups, and actually *CARE* about the accusation of racism.
My view is that all of that is over now. Certainly the Feds can and probably will organize a Civil Rights investigation and likely, charge.
BUT … and this is the big BUT … what is viewed as involuntary manslaughter, a stupid mistake made inevitable by bad design of the taser and lousy training, set against the deliberate dismissal of charges against a guy openly on video, on Fox News, calling for killing Whites and White Babies, is the opening gun of a new era.
One devoid of White guilt. One devoid of restraints on White interest group bloc voting. There won’t be a Manson like race war. Thankfully. There will be bloc voting. Israel, or perhaps Italy and Lega Nord (twenty years ago derided as neo-fascist racists, today lauded in the Financial Times editorial page).
It certainly will be an issue in the Governor and Senatorial campaigns. Twenty years ago Whites reflexively supported Civil Rights. Now that we know in the open, Whites have none, by Administrative fiat (and decades of non-enforcement), that proposition looks pretty thin.
Brown and Boxer for a Civil Rights investigation, vs say Whitman and Fiorina against it (as a waste of time and special, race-based treatment)?
Would a Black Cop have been charged AT ALL if he had made the same mistake with a White arrestee? Would the hypothetical Black Cop even been dismissed from the force? Even been disciplined?
Sadly the one good-government lesson: Tasers shaped like duty guns are a mistake waiting to be made, one way or another (a cop could be killed grabbing the taser instead of the gun when he needs to) because people under stress grab and don’t look. Requiring expensive and vigorous training.
You can’t just throw technology and people against a wall and think it solves problems.
If you think a black police officer would have gotten off scot-free for shooting an unarmed, restrained perp of ANY race then you, sir, are doing keg-stands on the Kool-Aid.
Uh actually there was the case of the African-American CHP officer that shot the intoxicated Latino passenger of a 100mph corvette that refused to pull over. Officer is unemployed but not in Jail.
Do you have the name of the officer? Some links to the case? What you are giving us here says nothing and makes comparison impossible.
I am sorry but I can not give a link. The case concluded about a year ago in Pamona Calif. The chase took place towards Chino and the victim was an Air Force MP on leave from deployment in Iraq, so the incident took place about 2 years ago. It was a bad scene and the shooting was similar as the victim was on the ground and submitted when shot. I do have some sympathy for the officer, the boys should not have led him on a 100mph chase. The victim survived and if I recall the officer just lost his job. Nobody in the Latino community or the White comunity nor the Air Force Community held a riot and if it carried into Footlocker I am sure all paied for their purchases. The more I’ve read about the current case the victim did not deserve to die but as some of the bloggers have said he was not home with his now fatherless child he was out causing trtouble on the Bart system. The last shooting of note I recall from Oakland was the 4 or 5 officers shot down before their shift and when the perp comitted suicide by cop there was out pouring for him too. I do not get it, he defended nobody and he left kids too, why was he not at work or in training? He too had a prison record. I am sorry for this tragady but all blame is not on the cop. Perhaps you should go on a few ride alongs with the Cops and see what they have to deal with, there is a lot of conclusions by people that have done nothing more than watch Law and Order.
I know full well what they have to deal with, my stepfather is a cop. Which is why I’m not taking a reflexive view of the situation. I’ve known many, many good cops and just enough rotten ones to know that police officers are just as human and flawed as any of us. I firmly believe Mehserle’s account of the situation, that this was a horrible accident. But that also doesn’t mean we shouldn’t condemn what happened and say that Grant got what he deserved because he shouldn’t have been causing trouble in the first place. There’s a thin blue line between order and chaos, and I know that the police hold that line. But there’s another thin line between freedom and authoritarianism. There’s a balance to be struck.
Completely ridiculous – they are filming the police in riot gear and you see things being tossed at them. Film those that are doing throwing things at the police. Put on tv how ridiculous they are.
Holder will be in charge of a separate Fed investigation. They announced that on late news.
Eric Holder in Oakland, doing a RevTribunal? That should nicely balance the Injustice Department actions re the NBPP in Philadelphia.
Anyone recall having to take such measures when the Tea Parties got together? No. WE WERE JUST ACCUSED OF WHAT OTHERS ACTUALLY DO. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. That one group of people CAN BE EXPECTED TO RIOT. That’s right. How’s that for RACIAL PROFILING??? If they don’t like what people, in general, think of them, THEY HAVE ONLY THEMSELVES TO BLAME. Involuntary manslaughter was the ONLY VERDICT that made sense. To have accused the cop of first degree murder would mean he had a MOTIVE. And the motive was presumed because he is a white cop. The only motive ascribed to him came from racist agitators who did what have been done to cops and white people for the last forty years: PROFILED. Your are a cop? You hate blacks. You are white? You are racist. PROFILING. In the next month we will all hear that dozens have been shot dead in the slums of Chicago and no one will lift a finger in protest. As long as it wasn’t whitey doing the shooting. For too long too many voices have been silenced for fear of stirring up racial unrest. As a consequence millions have had their backs pushed to the wall. Many stupid white people thought this hatred would end with the election of that thug in the White House but they were too stupid to realize that a vote for Obama was a sign OF WEAKNESS and thus they made themselves vulnerable to more assault. Until we act like have had enough we will continue to be smashed. Get used to it because we have two more years of the garbage in the WH setting the “tone”. Maybe the sh-thead will convene another beer summit.
Forgive me if I have missed something obvious about this case. What was the racial composition of the jury? It shouldn’t matter, but it does. Since I haven’t seen any b*tching an moaning about jury selection issues, I tend to assume that the jury was at dleast representative of the community, but it would help our understanding of this case to have that nailed down.
Certainly this fact would be significant is deciding whether or not a Federal civil rights re-trial is advisable, or even permissible.
The jury had not “thugs” on it, thugs being the word conservatives now use for black folks.
I find it amazing how utterly racist your average liberal has become.
We’re just trying to catch up to the average conservative. Thankfully, there are nothing BUT average conservatives. Perhaps you could be the first extraordinary conservative.
Are you still arguing with the cardboard cutouts in your head?
Oh look! It’s Glenn Beck! Oh no! It’s Rush Limbaugh! Oh the horror, not Sean Hannity!?!?!
Really, is that the best you can do? Your comic factor is dropping faster than Obama’s approval ratings. If you are going to stir the pot you need at least some pithy comments or we all are just going to loose interest in you.
Beck? Limbaugh? Hannity? You obviously haven’t heard the news yet. They are liberal plants put in place to make conservatives look like ignorant racist cowards.
I keep forgetting, in the mind (snicker) of a liberal, disagreeing with a minority proves you are a racist.
As always, skeeziks can’t prove what he claims, and he doesn’t even try. He just expects us to accept his condemnations without thinking(the way he does).
But what is justice? What constitutes a just response to the killing of the 22-year-old grocery store worker, a man memorialized in hip-hop songs and murals, discussed in barbershops and living rooms as an iconic victim of police brutality that some say happens all too often?
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Is a murder conviction justice? Is a voluntary or involuntary manslaughter conviction justice? If Mehserle, who says he intended to stun Grant with a Taser and accidentally shot him instead, is acquitted, can there still be a sense of justice for those who have come to view this case as a for long-simmering tension between minorities and law enforcement?
Yeah, that’s really incitement to riot. Just like the HuffPost put horns on Netanyahu, you delusional goofball. Oh, sorry there was no riot. The conspiracy of black people, journalists, communists [why did you leave out bearded intellectuals and "the Jews"?] apparently failed. They’re out there right now, though, putting pressure of Huffington to put more horns on Netanyahu.
Give me a break. As if any of you didn’t know that any of us can be eliminated @ any time by the government .Citizens of Oakland are just out for a reason to get some free kicks
If you think San Fran and Oakland were broke before, just wait until after this riot.
“We are OUTRAGED by the murder of Oscar Grant, and we are pissed at continuing police violence and disregard of communities’ health and safety. …
Some folks have been calling us “outside agitators”. We wonder: outside of what? We are all faced by police violence…
THE PIGS STARTED THIS”
Funny how THEY show complete disregard for the rights of law abiding citizens of the community to their health and safety. Have they completely forgotten what led to Oscar’s shooting death? A riot/fight on a BART train.
What about the rights of the citizens of the community to utilize public transportation without fear of violence breaking out and risks to their own safety? What about their right to not have illegal drugs sold on the streets? And their right now to get shot by thugs carrying illegal weapons?
“police violence and disregard of communities’ health and safety” my ass.
They are making a martyr out of a repeat convicted felon, who’s felony’s include drug dealing, fleeing police and carrying a loaded pistol. He had only been out of prison for three months when he was involved in the 12 person fight on the BART, and attempted to flee from police.
No sane person can think the officer, in front of 300 witnesses, meant to shoot Oscar in the back. Especially having said repeatedly that he was going to taser him.
Are we saying that cops are judges now too? Because by your logic, Mehserle was judge and passed sentence correctly. And is the new sentence for fist-fights in the subway summary execution on the spot? I’ll respect your intelligence enough to ask you to just stop and think if that became our new judicial system. You’re either not thinking at all or you’re just bloviating with the hyperbole, as is usual for political blogs. The national conversation is starting to feel like road rage.
Uh, no. I am responding/reacting to the statements by the activists who planned the post verdict riots.
That said, had Oscar not started a riot/fight on a public transportation system, tried to run, and then fought the police, this tragic incident wouldn’t have occurred. And the cop wasn’t acting as judge or jury, he was acting as a cop, in a high stress situation, and he made a terrible mistake.
But I am sick and tired of this outrage directed towards the police in this case (and Footlocker), with claims about police having disregard of communities’ health and safety, when the disregard was committed by the punks who started the fight on New Years to begin with. As well as Oscar’s list of prior felonies.
“Because by your logic, Mehserle was judge and passed sentence correctly.” And you come to this conclusion how, exactly? As I said, the officers intent was to taser Oscar. He said it repeatedly, and he thought he reached for his taser. There is no way I believe that he meant to commit cold blooded murder, in front of 300 people, by shooting someone in the back. It was a tragic accident.
But I also believe that people need to own up to their own responsibilities and contributions to situations. Oscar was a felon. A gun totin’, drug dealing, cop fleeing felon. And on that night he was involved in a riot/fight, and attempted to flee, and he resisted arrest. The tragic accident was a direct result of his law breaking behavior.
This is a false dichotomy. You seem to be arguing that if Oscar is guilty to some degree, then no one else bears responsibility. But the fact that he contributed to the outcome of his death doesn’t absolve the officer of responsibility for how he reacted. I don’t see how I could possibly know whether or not the officer’s actions were an accident. But I’ll grant, for the sake of argument, that it was an accident. Still, if someone’s carrying a gun, he bears responsibility for making sure that he doesn’t accidentally kill someone with it. Carelessness about distinguishing between a tazer and a gun isn’t “reasonable” behavior. One also might wonder if it’s completely reasonable to taze someone who’s lying prone on his belly. Are you so sure that officers don’t use tazers punitively when they’re frustrated?
“Because by your logic, Mehserle was judge and passed sentence correctly.” And you come to this conclusion how, exactly?
Here’s how:
“What about the rights of the citizens of the community to utilize public transportation without fear of violence breaking out and risks to their own safety? What about their right to not have illegal drugs sold on the streets? And their right now to get shot by thugs carrying illegal weapons?”
and
“That said, had Oscar not started a riot/fight on a public transportation system, tried to run, and then fought the police, this tragic incident wouldn’t have occurred”
You’re justifying it. You responded to the shooting of an unarmed, handcuffed suspect with a broader issue of street crime in general. And your argument about how if Oscar hadn’t been breaking the law to begin with, this never would have happened – that logic justifies being shot over any misdemeanor. I’m just asking people to stop with the ranting and use some sense of reason.
I am using reason – the activists and rioters aren’t. Actions beget consequence.
And he wasn’t handcuffed. He had one hand under him, and he hadn’t been checked for weapons. That caused the Officers concern that he might have a weapon. And the officer thought he was tasing him, not shooting him because he was resiting arrest, and they couldn’t get him in his cuffs.
“Leftist groups” are a small minority of those crowds. Most of them are just regular black folks, young and old, who aren’t going to calmly watch this pass by on the evening news.
Let’s be realistic: a white cop shoots an unarmed black youth in the back in front of a crowd, and the video is spread instantly. -What the hell did you think the reaction would be?- It doesn’t take communists, anarchists, or even black nationalists to make this community mad enough to spit. Anyone that smashes a window or hurts someone over this is a world-class idiot in my book – destroying your own neighborhood is just stupid.
But taking EVERY.. SINGLE… opportunity to further the partisan, us-vs-them, evil liberal narrative is just getting tired. If you’re going to rail at the crazies out there, you may as well holler about the right-wing ones as well (for all the good it does. The anarchists are not going to stop any more than the Phelps family will just based on a blogger’s disapproval).
“When you start the lootin’, we start the shootin’.”
– Oaktown PD
As of this moment, 306 comments and 107 are from me or about me. That’s free market capitalism at work, Mr. Zombie. And you’re welcome.
Now tell me, who defined the topic? Who shaped the debate? Who had the most influence on this thread? Who was most provocative, challenging, and truthful? (Don’t bother, I know you’ll never admit that last one.) But I don’t want to get too full of myself. It’s kind of like shooting bears in a cage. (What can I say, it’s the good ole boy Montgomery Gentry Tea Bagger 2nd Amendment side of me.)
http://www.biggamehunt.net/forum/country-singer-gentry-accused-killing-tame-bear
I know, he was just doing what the Founding Fathers would have done. Tough one, that guy.
Yes, friends. Gather ’round, friends. Pass the plate, friends.
Hail Rush. Go Sarah!
If trolling is what justifies your existence, more power to you.
He’s got to have something to do while waiting for mom to finish dinner.
Like most trolls, getting people to respond to him is the only thing that gives his pathetic life meaning.
Happy Lame Day. One Liar Love Boat.
Good dog Kyber. Good job pointing out your superior lameness, and creating a monument to it. It’s nice to see The Modern Liberal The Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore succeed at something. Something. Great self esteem boost. Much needed. The education system at its best.
I wonder if you lie to granddaughter too? It would be another source of pride.
“…truthful? (Don’t bother, I know you’ll never admit that last one.)”
Sure Liar. What about this. Admit? Admit what?
233. Now and Then:
“Hail Rush. Go Sarah!”
Dec 5, 2009 – 7:03 am
Yeah, the self kicking did get it over. Going Tin in Liar World really gets it. What’s next, The Pot Metal Award? 10,000 kicks! Clang!
The Tin Kick Me sign riveted to your ass is much more durable. Makes more noise than wood. And just think, no splinters. Clang!
Is Van Jones one of “you peoples” too? Notice how your behavior has been modified? “You’ll”. No, “you people”. And Banned…
You made your cesspool. Love it or leave it.
Whatever.
Skeeziks,
Speaking as a Democrat myself, kindly STFU. You’re a walking, talking stereotype that these folks are all too happy to use with their image of the snarky, irrational left. The problem that pretty much nobody understands is our political discourse is broken all to hell. We can’t even acknowledge that opposing ideologies want what’s best, we’re ranting in echo chambers all day long and convincing ourselves that anyone who disagrees WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA. Doesn’t anyone remember that line about a house divided?
What I’m saying is, if you disagree with the posters on this board, and I do too, respond with some kind of actual reasoned argument. Because you’re funny only to yourself, you’re not changing anyone’s mind, and you’re only making it harder for anyone else to do so in the future.
This fighting like rats in a sack among the Left and the Right is more of a threat to this country in the long-term than any jihadist. The web has made us all a bunch of A.D.D. 13 year olds.
Well said, Errata! As a conservative, and a Republican I doubt that we would agree with much regarding party policy and/or ideology, but it’s nice to read well thought out debate from rational people, sans the juvenile sandbox taunting. Kudos to you!
Right back at you.
The way I see it is that we need both left and right in this country, evenly matched, and just barely on speaking terms, lol. I want a loyal opposition. In a progressive paradise, taxes would be 80% and everyone would be what we now consider lower middle-class, with little reward for genius, drive, or hard work. In a conservative paradise, social security would be gambled on the stock market (for my parents’ sake I thank God that’s one Bush initiative that didn’t pass through before the market tanked) and the safety net would be shredded. The only caveat is people have to be able to argue and disagree vociferously while still acknowledging that the other side wants what’s best for the country, even if the specifics seem wrong, wrong, wrong. I choose to be progressive because I believe that bad planning, bad luck, or even laziness should only condemn someone to living in a crappy house and driving an old beater. I don’t think economic failure should result in poor health, inadequate housing, or lack of a decent education for one’s children. But that safety net means government bureaucracy that grows like a cancer – and that’s where you lot come in. Balance.
This is what I found on the Drudge report, on the same day:
GINGRICH: Obama ‘most radical president ever’
LIMBAUGH: Obama ‘inflicting untold damage on this great country’
MARK LEVIN: Obama ‘Closest Thing to Dictator We’ve Ever Had’
PALIN: Obama’s ‘vast nuclear experience he acquired ‘community organizer’
LIZ CHENEY: Obama Putting America on ‘Path to Decline’
HANNITY: Obama ‘Is a Socialist’
SAVAGE: ‘Obama The Destroyer’
That kind of debate is going to tear the country apart.
Sure I’m off topic, but thinking about how we communicate is what’s got me reading right-wing blogs in the first place. It’s getting to the point where political tactics are starting to affect the country more than policy itself.
The privatization of Social Security could be done in a sane fashion. If the policy was to put that money into the more traditional instruments, rather than the less-than-hot market schemes of the top-earners, that would have put even more balance into a market that is mainly put into the hands of people afraid to miss out on any market updraft, because of a good record of return during a long-standing bull market. That might have saved the market as well.
Regardless, plenty of people lost pensions in the market and in Obama’s nationalization of GM. It’s hard to argue that when the government is promising “provisional” services it has projected it will no longer be able to deliver (around my year of eligibility, coincidentally) and is redistributing from non-union pensions to union, that anything is demonstrably “risky” in relation.
Yes, it would be a tragedy if the Government ponzie scheme known as Social Security were to suffer the ignoble end of ponzie schemes.
MOBY ALERT! MOBY ALERT!
Care to translate or are you just talking to yourself again?
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
skeeziks
You got proof? Show it.
July 8, 2010 – 9:14 pm
“‘…ah ha” moment…”
Damn, did someone dump a bottle of Vivarin into The Modern Liberal Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore Cesspool? That coupled with the riot in Oakland, wow, pleasure, the Modern Liberal Cesspools are aligned! Riot. Feels so good!
This is interesting. Ah ha! Ah ha! Ah ha! Ha ha? Liar created compartmentalization. How Modern Liberal Contemporary!
skeeziks
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
July 8, 2010 – 7:24 pm
Sure it’s clear. Very clear. Very clear. Cleared up. Why not check out the PJM archives? http://pajamasmedia.com/pjm-archive/ They are wonderfully revealing. You’ll notice that “you people” is always used in the context of addressing so called “conservatards” it’s never applied to “the other side”. What’s more, take a look at the syntax and format etc. of its manifestos. Cesspool rap is so hard to conceal. You are who you are The Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore. A Liar.
Some samples. There is so much more.
35. skeeziks:
“You people…”
Jan 30, 2010 – 12:55 pm
30. skeeziks:
“You people need to raise your standards.”
Feb 22, 2010 – 6:24 pm
Damn, that Cesspool is deep! Wow!
139. Principal Levine
“…you people …”
May 21, 2010 – 2:04 pm
43. oscar le grouche
“You people are hilarious”
May 5, 2010 – 12:31 pm
skeeziks
I’m sorry, can you repeat that?
July 6, 2010 – 2:13 pm
45. G Marks
“You people are hilarious.”
June 13, 2010 – 8:34 am
38. moho
“…you people… “.
Jan 8, 2010 – 5:38 pm
14. Diablo
“You people…”
April 23, 2010 – 4:48 pm
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
Well ok. The Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore simply declares that is “cleared”, and splash, the Cesspool is sanitized! Some what like Mr. President printing more money then claiming more wealth.
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
So “you people” has been a signature Liar phrase for some time. Beyond that, the self proclaimed Liar believes that it’s raw sewage output has no bearing whatsoever in determining what it is. It’s like, this Now and Then doesn’t exist because, well, because…. Because. Because! Stop it! Don’t.
skeeziks
You have good reason for wishing that were true, but alas, tis not. He’s all yours. Deal.
July 8, 2010 – 6:44 pma
Ok.
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.” How about “Hail Rush. Go Sarah!” Liar?
30. skeeziks
“Hail Rush. Go Sarah!”
June 21, 2010 – 9:05 am
233. Now and Then:
“Hail Rush. Go Sarah!”
Dec 5, 2009 – 7:03 am
Again, check out the PJM archives http://pajamasmedia.com/pjm-archive/. This phrase is used many times, with The Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore owning it in totality.
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
Sure. Again. Archives. More. Liar. Notice the Name, Name, Name usage. Archives. More.
skeeziks
Jacob, Jacob, Jacob . . .
July 8, 2010 – 7:24 pm
181. Now and Then
Matthew Matthew Matthew . . .
Hail Matthew. Go PatGund!
December 10, 2009 – 7:19 am
169. Now and Then
Matthew Matthew Matthew . . ..
December 9, 2009 – 3:18 pm
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
Clear?
Scat! As in Kyber scat? Archives…
37. skeeziks
“Internet Scat…”
July 6, 2010 – 3:21 pm
169. Now and Then
Right Wing Scat Alert..
December 9, 2009 – 3:18 pm
The Pleading Liar.
Clear?
skeeziks
It hurts, as your post so pleadingly reveals…”
July 8, 2010 – 7:24 pm
Pleading? Never, not The Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore. With a touch of fake coolness.
107. skeeziks.
“Come on, man, that dictator rant to goy was absolute gold. Nothing in there that was objectionable. Why’d you block it?”
Jan 29, 2010 – 11:10 am
Your welcome here Mr. “Hail Rush. Go Sarah!” You’re “allowed”. Clear?
skeeziks
“It’d be tough for Zombie to allow “shit-rimmed lips…”"
July 8, 2010 – 9:22 pm
Or… Clear.
Maybe a popsicle would be better.
158. skeeziks
“…sucking a donkey dick or eating a dog turd…” Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
May 23, 2010 – 9:28 am
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
Clear facist.
69. skeeziks:
You people are children. You remind me of my granddaughter who yesterday got caught feeding chocolate to Kyber our dog. She knows she’s not supposed to do that. She said, “You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
“I’ve cleared this up before when somebody thought they’d landed on an “ah ha” moment with “you people.”
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
The Liar is trapped. All this its posting is simply a vehicle for attention, and the Kick Me sign nailed to its ass gets quite alot. So much if fact the Kick me sign has now gone Tin. Imagine, more than thousand kicks received. There is a bit of a question as to how this award was so rapidly achieved, as self kicking was included in the tally. Oh well, in a dishonest cesspool, no matter.
Was Van Jones at the riot? Were you one of those “white” people running around? Tough to tell, with all the Cesspool camouflage.
Well, Liar, what about it? “Collar too tight”? Yeah, self-censorship is a drag. Wonder how that came about? Could you snivel a bit more about your “rights” A little “Jenny Crying” is needed.
Where’s Liar Levine? I see Mr. Gasp made it. Hey moho. What about a cameo? You are so much better than The Principal Liar sleazits Persons Galore Cesspool. You got class baby!
Kyber is sad. Lying has its consequences
You made your cesspool. Love it or leave it.
Whatever.
Now is the time when Principal Skeezits le Grouche needs to say “Aw, you sank my battleship.”
69. skeeziks:
You people are children. You remind me of my granddaughter who yesterday got caught feeding chocolate to Kyber our dog. She knows she’s not supposed to do that. She said, “You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
Wow, your granddaughter sounds positively liberal. Reliance on relativity and emphasis on what the dog wants. And because no one can say what someone else should want or what’s good for somebody else, we should just allow people what they want. That’s liberalism. Plus you got a trace of the dog’s a person too, it seems. She also seems to be protesting your double standard with civil disobedience.
How are you not okay with this?
Sure looks like these left wing loons are hypocrites. They always mock the tea party members and now they are the ones who look like anarchists. Pathetic! I will put money on it that MSNBC, ABC, CBS and so on, except Fox News will not cover these riots. If they do, they will just brush over the “event” as the weather channel would a thunder storm versus a tornado!
Epidemic.
http://thugreport.com/
The OTHER reason for the 2nd amendment.
Kill All The Crackers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPzZ2hHewIE
I rest my case.
(Hey, Misster Lucky, you’re gonna need another hard drive. Something with “flop” in the name.)
Discuss among yourselves. I have a date with a boat. Big one. Blue and white. Four or five friends finally free from their work-a-day week. (Poor bastards.) Tequila. Poker. Couple of hookers. What are you guys doing? Dressing up like Civil War soldiers? Going to an Oath Keepers conference? Glenn Beck University orientation? Constitutional seance? Patrolling the border? Rereading Rand? Montgomery Gentry concert? Well, get busy living or get busy dying.
Sounds cool. Viva Las Cesspool!
So the inner tube made it. Flush! The sewage system is great, is it not.
Yeah, Pay for Play. Love on credit. Very Modern Liberal. You going spring for the Palin look alike? She will kick you. Man, avoid that Maddow mannequin. Does not…
So skeezits, Now and Then, Pee Wee moho, Liar Levine and oscar. Oscar. Yeah. Hope and Change.
So 5 on 2. Wow. Green. So “you people” will be sharing toilet paper in a similar manner? Gore’s #2 chakra board game? Tequila Poker. Pin the tail on the donkey too?
One bottle? Lightweight. Bring some Long’s vodka for medicinal purposes. Pee Wee is messy when flopping.
So which one of the Personalities is going to attempt to grow a pair? Well, do it on credit. You will have a receipt.
Kyber coming too? Bark Bark – Clang!
Apologies to the mythical ladies.
Whatever.
You pathetic fabulist. You post your quacking nonsense and every rational and intelligent person with the slightest familiarity with real life immediately pegs you for a sophomoric loser. And we are supposed to believe you are so successful that you needn’t work, and have productive friends who would waste their free time time on a weekend spending it in your physical company?
And, by the way, that claim doesn’t gibe with many of the other silly facades you’ve erected during your history on PJM in your transparent attempts to manufacture credibility on a subject.
There’s an inevitable pitfall that exposes every serial liar (and this is important though I don’t see enough maturity in you to take good advice when it’s offered). They lie so consistently and so often that anyone observing them quickly sees the contradictions in the continuous BS and no longer takes anything the serial liar says at face value. You pathetic fabulist.
Payback and Rodney King Redux in Oakland
The Rodney King case is almost 20 years old. King, a drunk pothead, was beaten almost senseless by both black and white LAPD cops after he resisted arrest on March 3, 1991 following a high speed chase.
King was tasered repeatedly but kept getting to his feet and resisting arrest. The ensuing beating by the LAPD to get him to cooperate was videotaped by a bystander. That videotape resulted in the deaths of 53 innocent people in the ensuing riots.
The police officers involved were exonerated by a state jury of their peers but then re-tried in federal court on charges of civil rights violations. Two of the cops were found guilty and sent to prison and two were acquitted.
Prior to the federal convictions and following the state exoneration, Los Angeles blacks erupted in what have been called the 1992 L.A. riots during which the Army, the Marines, and the National Guard were called out. Nevertheless, 53 people died, 2383 were injured, 7000 fires were set, 3100 businesses were attacked, and over a billion dollars in damages resulted.
Fast forward to 2010. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1778)
These are Obama’s Civilian Defense Corps. Our Kenyan presidente for life is indeed post racial.
Every nation gets the government it deserves. Suckers.
“These are Obama’s Civilian Defense Corps.”
What in God’s name are you talking about.
Come on out and say it, don’t be shy.
Ah, like what Obama said while he was campaigning?
“Civilian national security force”, as well funded as the military?
Organizing for America has been passing around pledge cards, looking for recruits, and various colleges are offering credits for activities related to this.
Google it. I was astounded at how much was going on, and none of it showing up on even the conservative sites I can reach.
I take it you would like to abolish the FBI? That also fits the bill of a “civilian national security force”. There’s nothing radically new here, this is just duplicating an ability the feds have already had for 75 years.
If you read the bill, as I just have, local authorities still have jurisdiction. The only difference is that DOD security would be able to arrest someone and immediately turn them over to the local police or FBI. This helps in the fight against terrorists, and I suspect that if the same bill were introduced 20 months ago you would see it the same way.
It strikes me that this Oakland riot is merely seen as a good opportunity to go out in the street by some of our citizens and help themselves to a new TV set. Same as the riot in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago after the NBA championship game. Same as the riots in South Central after the Rodney King incident.
NONE of these events have anything whatsoever to do with politics or justice. It’s “reparation”, plain and simple.
If you get enough raging black people marauding through the streets on WHATever pretext, chances are pretty good that a fair percentage of them will score some good loot and not get caught. Can you say “New Orleans”, too.
Thing is, what they usually end up doing is crapping in their own living room, and then wondering 5 or 10 or 20 years later why there’s no grocery store within a 5-mile radius, nor why any other of the small businesses that were burned or stolen into bankruptcy have come back. Why their neighborhood are Detroit-deserted derelicts.
Karma’s a bitch in the reparation-business, isn’t it?
Less than a quarter of the rioters were even from Oakland, most came from other cities or even out of state. Next time please do a little research before you pass judgment on an entire city, or worse, an entire ethnicity.
Just imagine for one second that this officer was a nurse that had given a wrong injection that resulted in a death!
He looks guilty as hell to me.
As far as the rioters, use them for US Marine or IDF target practice.
http://www.jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com
I couldn’t imagine downtown Atlanta looking like this, I mean what a scary scene. It looks like total anarchy was going to occur.
I partly agree with Nancy Gee and she cites a few good points of reference. I would take exception with, for one thing, the assertion that it’s just blacks doing this. It doesn’t just happen when black people do it, and blacks are not the only ones involved. Oh, and one other thing — it’s now reported that only 17 of the 79 people arrested in Oakland last night were Oakland residents, so this is not just locals messing up their own nests, so to speak. Most of the vandals and looters were from elsewhere. Either way it’s bad to do it but understanding this point doesn’t support what Nancy was saying about people damaging their own homes.
Also, I disagree with the headline for this article in that I don’t see the evidence that it was “leftists” who planned to riot. Some people planned to riot, and some of those people are probably anarchists. So to characterize that group I’d call them anarchists, or extremists, or radicals, not leftists — and what’s more, I’d think it’s quite likely that the rest of the vandal/looting crowd was not politically motivated; they were just out to help themselves with no political motive at all. The actual political leftists/liberals held a peaceful discourse type of demonstration in the daylight hours right after the verdict was announced, and did not participate in the vandalism and looting. So let’s please keep the facts straight by not making unsupported statements, especially as headlines.
Just to add to my earlier point, here’s a pre-verdict post copied from a Bay Area anarchist organization website —
Situation in Oakland
by Andrew Yeoman under Uncategorized
“We at the Bay Area National Anarchists urge restraint on behalf of residents of Oakland with the manslaughter verdict of Oscar Grant’s death.
Although a tragic situation, causing pain and destruction for those not to blame in the attack is irresponsible and does not bring honor to Oscar Grant or our communities.
Please express your discontent at the verdict with restraint and discourse. Thank you.”
So at least that shows that not all those of the anarchist persuasion were fomenting violence once the verdict was given. Much better to work with actual statements and events than to postulate on the basis of one’s own opinions and conjectures about what others may do.
when i was a young hippie during the watergate era i used to laugh at the folks who believed the commies were trying to overthrow our government and way of life through peace groups,black panthers and save the earth groups.
well, we voted in a muslim/black socialist and things dont seem to have gotten better despite the media telling us what a miracle maker obama would be.
i realise now that i should have listened to my elders,seems they had a great deal of common sense.
the fact that it was proven that the communist were behind all the peace movements etc after reagan liberated russia and the kgb files were released.
obama and his kind have their moment in the sun but the average person sees the media and the democrats for what they are,communists out to destroy the greatest country on earth.
america made a mistake but we did give these guys a shot and they blew it.
you here about black panthers and muslim groups spreding their hate alot these days but where are the white extremist?
i guess the klan and the other white supremist groups have evaporated.
it seems like black is white these days.
If this had been a black on black
…or better yet….black on white incident
….we would have heard little, if anything about it…
Racists are pushing an agenda and we will pay a price…Obama and his string puller lead the way to destruction if we are not careful.
They don’t want the “can’t we all get along” people around…They need to be contained ASAP…
These communist and Anarchist groups should be sued by the businesses that were looted.
Oh, I don’t know. Master card Marxist probably fits pretty snug. You are not spending your own money with Master Card but you are racking up an obligation to repay. When the bill comes due you believe you have the right to welsh on the debt. The Marxist are strong on using OPM — other people’s money — yet have no intention to cover the debt.
Well, it wasn’t much of a riot. I notice that Oakland is still standing.
I guess that’s a good thing.
This just some general observations about the posts. In a way they are a mirror being held up so we can see where we stand and what we look like. For me is was a bit difficult to see where some of these posters stood. They made good points and then seemed to nullify those points in their comments. I am not fully informed on all the pertinent details but there are a few things that stand out.
1. Perhaps, without exception, we are looking out for our own interests. I believe it is in my interest to have honest, law abiding neighbors so that means I should also be an honest law abiding neighbor to you. This is not a function of race. This requires self-discipline rather than government discipline. To have liberty I must restrict my wants to honest desires without covetousness but not without ambition. Liberty is not freedom but a constraint on what we would like to do. We see it every day as we control our traffic with stop lights, giving first one and then another the right of way to safely pass through that intersection. In other words, by waiting your turn you get better service and no gridlock. I think this should be sufficient to lay a foundation on the way I see liberty. It allows us smooth interaction where right cause snarled traffic. The following will be offensive to some but should not be.
1Sa 3:13 For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.
What happened in Oakland is a failure of the system. The system has failed to train, educate and discipline these youths. From his picture, Oscar Grant had potential to have amounted to something. From his lack of discipline that potential was lost. The police officer is also a victim of the system. Why have we not restrained this lawless behavior? The lesson we should take away from this is that we need to reinstall discipline and get back to the liberty of self-discipline for that is our ticket to freedom. Vengeance in mine sayeth the Lord so lets leave it there, forgive where it is called for and cease to do those things we ought not to do.
“Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock.” (Psalm 137:9)
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
“Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.” (1 Samuel 15:3)
“Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)
“Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.” (1 Peter 2:18)
Yes, let’s remodel our society to more closely adhere to a pre-Enlightenment Iron Age pastoral society from the war-torn Middle East. If you’re going to quote one passage from a book, you have to acknowledge all the rest.
isn’t it ironic that the shootings that we read about always occur in the inner city! maybe they should turn in their weapons, and become more civilized. one would believe they were the majority with as much face time that they get on the crime page. but, they take it in stride, always celebrating with a parade, complete with fireworks, and the free prizes that they loot from the retailers!!
Jacob + Sleeziks = why I <3 the Internet.
And let me guess? You might fall under that “plunger lip” category?
Did you intend to communicate something with this comment? Who is the “you” you refer to? Me, or someone else’s previous remark? And is your remark racist in nature? I really don’t know, but it sure sounds like it could be. Whatever the communication was, some attempt at categorization rather than an actual response, I guess, it didn’t get through to me. Maybe, if not you (B.S.), someone else can translate it.