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August 25th, 2014 - 7:24 am

Roger L Simon tells libertarians that it’s time to put on their big boy pants:

But paradoxically, during this same time frame, it has become perhaps even more evident that one of the apparent tenets of libertarianism — a kind of neo-isolationism — is, well, to put it bluntly, insane. In the era of the Islamic State (not to mention a dozen other similar murderous, increasingly global organizations we could name or are being invented as I write), anyone who believes we can roll up the gangplanks to create the perfect libertarian state and everything will be just ducky is living in dreamland.

But a fair number of libertarians are. As an example, one of the leading spokesmen for the movement (I’ll be gracious by not naming him, because he’s probably embarrassed at this point) was quoted as likening the problem of Islamic terrorism to herpes — I guess he meant an annoyance you can live with if you find the right partner (who doesn’t behead you).

Do those same isolationist libertarians think that one Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, current leader of the Islamic State, was kidding when he said “See you in New York” when let out of detention camp in Iraq in 2009?

Read the whole thing.

I’ve been saying much the same — although probably not as well — since about 9/12/2001.

The idea that Islamists with global ambitions would leave us alone if we were only more libertarian… it’s not just nuts, it’s dangerously nuts.

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Libertarians of the last 75 years are DNC cover groups, or hoplessly ignorant, useful idiots.

It was that Great Libertarian Jefferson who (had to) sent Marines "to the Shores of Tripoli" early in our Republic, to deal with the SAME freaking cancer libertarians today think wont exist.... if we just close our eyes really REALLY tight

Leadership is a b*tch, because it takes character to man the walls when everyone one else wants to sleep off that awesome hangover...

Funny, after 12 years in the Infantry, I can count the number of "libertarians" I knew on the fingers of one hand, minus my Ring Finger and that all important Opposable Thumb.

Never, ever in my lifetime saw a real-world connection between a "libertarian" and an effective "leader".

Fine. Be a lazy pothead.
Thats your "right", and I'll leave you alone.

Just dont expect to have much of a say in the Decision Making Process, because youre (demonstrably) unqualified to effectively deal with the Real World as it exists outside of your precious, little bubble
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It's time for everyone on the side of sanity to put the big boy pants on and stop squabbling about pet social issues. There are considerably more important issues at hand, and they require leadership to deal with.
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The point is not that everything will be sunshine an roses if we ignore Al Qaeda, et al. It is a strawman to suggest that that is the entirety of the libertarian position. The point is that virtually all the hawkish policies ever proposed in the name of security, in the modern era, directly harm us as a nation.

They harm us economically, by diverting trillions of dollars from productive economic uses.

They harm our civil rights, by insisting that things like privacy and the 4th Amendment are negotiable; and also by getting the Pentagon to send mine-resistant tanks to small Missouri suburbs to "fight terrorism."

And they harm our national security, by fostering an environment in the Middle East where the US can be reasonably interpreted as being a meddling, imperialist bully. Of course Al Qaeda won't disappear if we just leave them alone. Nobody thinks that. But you can't possibly be dense enough to think that our actions in the Middle East over the last decade have hurt Islamists more than it helped them through recruitment.

Think those positions are wrong? Do you think all this sacrifice is worth it if it stops one terrorist attack every 10 years? Want to argue with libertarians about foreign policy? Then do so. Engage the debate. But if you're going to bury your head in the sand and pretend that libertarians are just stupid naive isolationists, then you're the one who needs to grow up.
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Mr. Green, I greatly admire you. But radical Islam is a remote threat compared to the clear and present danger posed by Big Govt. Unfortunately, the US Govt. is the enemy at the gate. It must be cut down in stature and power. The national security state created by the US Govt. is the paramount threat.
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Libertarians want small government dealing with bare minimum social issues and would like to shut their eyes and make the world go away.

Leftists want massive government dealing almost entirely with social issues and would like to close YOUR eyes to what they are up to, while pretending that the chaos they create in the world has gone away.

Republicans want to be elected to government so they can close their eyes to totalitarianism and pretend that treason is going away.

And, the rest of us close our eyes at night when we hit our knees and pray that Ron Paul/Buchanan, Small c communists and limp-wristed Republicans would go away.
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Thank you, Mr. Green. Posts like these are what restore my hope that there are some rational libertarians out there.
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Mr. Green is a traitor to the Libertarian cause! /s
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Libertarians of the last 75 years are DNC cover groups, or hoplessly ignorant, useful idiots.

It was that Great Libertarian Jefferson who (had to) sent Marines "to the Shores of Tripoli" early in our Republic, to deal with the SAME freaking cancer libertarians today think wont exist.... if we just close our eyes really REALLY tight

Leadership is a b*tch, because it takes character to man the walls when everyone one else wants to sleep off that awesome hangover...

Funny, after 12 years in the Infantry, I can count the number of "libertarians" I knew on the fingers of one hand, minus my Ring Finger and that all important Opposable Thumb.

Never, ever in my lifetime saw a real-world connection between a "libertarian" and an effective "leader".

Fine. Be a lazy pothead.
Thats your "right", and I'll leave you alone.

Just dont expect to have much of a say in the Decision Making Process, because youre (demonstrably) unqualified to effectively deal with the Real World as it exists outside of your precious, little bubble
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"lazy pothead?" Really?

I don't know what's worse; your lousy stereotyping or the five "likes" you got.
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Get out and meet a few real libertarians. You and Paul Krugman have something in common, it saddens me to say.
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AMEN!
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It's time for everyone on the side of sanity to put the big boy pants on and stop squabbling about pet social issues. There are considerably more important issues at hand, and they require leadership to deal with.
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Big-boy pants would also help those who can't bear to be on the same side as those icky social-cons.

Civilization is made possible by grown-ups, but as it fails to ensure a sustainable supply over the succeeding generations, civilization tends to doom itself.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here -- that gays should be forced to procreate?
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That's exactly why this small-l libertarian has been holding her nose and voting Republican since September 12, 2001.
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