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August 17, 2013 - 4:38 pm

A fascinating interview in the Wall Street Journal with Russell Moore, the incoming president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. This influential position was held previously by Richard Land, who became a well known face on the cable nets and Sunday shows.

Moore says, in essence, that the culture war has been lost:

‘The Bible Belt is collapsing,” says Russell Moore. Oddly, the incoming president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission doesn’t seem upset. In a recent visit to The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Moore explains that he thinks the Bible Belt’s decline may be “bad for America, but it’s good for the church.”

Why? Because “we are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority.”

The phrase is arresting coming from such a prominent religious leader—akin to a general who says the Army has shrunk to the point it can no longer fight two wars. A youthful 41, Mr. Moore is among the leaders of a new generation who think that evangelicals need to recognize that their values no longer define mainstream American culture the way they did 50 or even 20 years ago.

On gay marriage, abortion, even on basic religious affiliation, the culture has moved away. So evangelicals need a new way of thinking—a new strategy, if you will—to attract and keep believers, as well as to influence American politics.

The easy days of mobilizing a ready-made majority are gone. By “prophetic minority,” he means that Christians must return to the days when they were a moral example and vanguard—defenders of belief in a larger unbelieving culture. He views this less as a defeat than as an opportunity.

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He is definitely pushing a new tone for this generation of evangelicals. “This is the end of ‘slouching toward Gomorrah,’ ” he says. Not only is the doomsaying not winning Christians any popularity contests, but he doesn’t think it’s religiously appropriate either. “We were never promised that the culture would embrace us.”

He also questions the political approach of what was once called “the religious right.” Though his boyish looks bring to mind the former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, Mr. Moore is decidedly not a fan of the “values voter checklists” the group employs. “There is no Christian position on the line-item veto,” Mr. Moore says. “There is no Christian position on the balanced-budget amendment.”

Which is not to say that Mr. Moore wants evangelicals to “turn inward” and reject the larger U.S. culture. Rather, he wants to refocus the movement on serving as a religious example battling in the public square on “three core issues”—life, marriage and religious liberty.

Politically, the evangelical right isn’t going anywhere. They will still play a large role in Republican Party politics, and will still be indispensable to the campaigns of dozens of Republicans in many districts.

But to a secularist like me, Mr. Moore’s words sound like a welcome dose of pragmatism. Achieve what is doable, accept the world not for what you would have it be, but for what it is. This is not to say that there shouldn’t be an effort — a war, if you will — to fight on many issues. But perhaps the battles will be fought on a different kind of battlefield — one where moral authority is gleaned not from numbers or political power, but from the light of example.

Read the whole interview for some fascinating insights.

Rick Moran is PJ Media's Chicago editor and Blog editor at The American Thinker. He is also host of the"RINO Hour of Power" on Blog Talk Radio. His own blog is Right Wing Nut House.

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America is collapsing. A nation that no longer can recognize the uniqueness of a man and woman, that can no longer define what a marriage or a family is, what right or wrong is, that believes by changing word definitions you have changed reality, is a culture that has drunk deep of the Koolaid, and is on the floor gurgling, babbling inanities, in its death throes. We are not "Slouching towards Gomorrah", we are Gomorrah ten times over, simply awaiting the last results of our stupidity, complacency and self-imposed madness.
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As an Evangelical Christian, I can tell you Mr. Moran that I doubt Christians have ever been the majority of this nation, nor were we ever promised to be the majority - just the opposite, in fact. Narrow is the gate and few find it.

But I do believe this a nation founded by Christian ideals and traditions and anyone that argues otherwise is blind. The further we get away from those ideals and traditions, the more our country sinks into the abyss.

I've found many in my lifetime who call themselves Christian. I've found far fewer who actually exemplify real Christianity as I read it. I believe we "Christians" are the majority in self identification only.

If this nation a Christian nation, there would be no permissiveness of abortion, or gay marriage, or our coarsened and vulgar culture - all of which are completely antagonistic to God. We would not be permissive or remain in silence for the convenience of winning a vote. There would be no trillion dollar deficits to pass on to our children and grandchildren, or millions on food stamps while practicing sloth. And the greed and corruption of Wall Street would be loudly condemned and punished as harshly as any blue collar crime.

We as nation would not question our defense of Israel, or equate the rest of the globe with Israel. Israel is to be treasured and protected, for it is the place that God designated as His own.

A man like Barack Obama, Bill Clinton or even Mitt Romney would not be our selection of President.

I have found the current direction of both large political parties today basically incompatible with what I consider sound gospel. For me, it really is the better of two bad choices; therefore I vote Republican the vast majority of the time because I believe God demands I participate as good citizen.

I don't demand perfection of my leaders because all of us flawed. Christians too recognize their own shortcomings and should walk humbly with God - many of us, myself included, too often fall short. Our loyalty and our mission does not lie with the Republican Party. It should lie with Jesus Christ and no one else.

Fortunately, I have found the secular Constitution completely compatible with the pure religion of the Word of God. We Christians believe God ordains the leaders of the world for both good and bad and we recognize it only a matter of time before every knee bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

That will include Barack Obama, it will include me, and it will include you, Mr. Moran.

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May be someone should read history. The Carpenter from Nazareth has buried many enemies, one of them the strongest and longer lasting empire ever known to mankind. Stalin and his divisions are gone but the Church remains. Good lick trying to build a country on secularist principles and guidelines. I bet you secularism will collapse in this generation and there will be a rebirth of Christianity worldwide. I hate to take your money but that's a bet.
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I have a serious question for Mr. Moran. As a secularist, how can you, expect by preference*, claim the "light of example" means anything? If we live in a truly secular world, then the only valid morality is Mao's "Power comes from the barrel of a gun" and we might as well all accept Onfray's position of hedonism?

* by preference I mean on the level of I like Chinese but you prefer French food. "No arguments in matters of taste"

As an ex-agnostic, I'm not trolling. As an Orthodox Christian, we tend to be really leery about government and religion seeing how well it worked in the Old Countries. I've heard many people over the years say that Christianity works in opposition to culture.
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The communists just rebranded. All the leftist splinter groups used to be our hardcore communists. Kids in school don't even know what a communist is anymore. They just think it's one of many government structures.
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HERE WE GO AGAIN ERASE IT AND I SHALL REPOST

In 2010 I was involved in the production of a magazine. A copy still survives in thenewjames dot com. We produced a pilot and it was a huge hit in that area (Central Virginia). However our financier who was partial to the current dictator retired his support because our Conservative slant was too strong. I wish I had a video of the people coming out of the small town stores to run after our distributor asking for more copies. The project was a success and so we lost our peanut brain financier but I learned that month of July 2010 that there is a core of Christian Conservatives all over the Bible Belt who can be turned into a powerful political and social force if they only organize themselves well. I'm afraid they are not even aware of their potential. The progressive crowd is nothing compared to that.
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To Tex Taylor's comment that he believes "this a nation founded by Christian ideals and traditions and anyone that argues otherwise is blind. The further we get away from those ideals and traditions, the more our country sinks into the abyss".

You may believe that, but that doesn't make it true. Here's a quote from one of our founding fathers, and a subsequent link you might want to review.

"Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/#ixzz2cXcy0hVW
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Other founding fathers disagreed. The culture of early America was heavily based in a Protestant and Enlightenment mindset. The very idea of the value of individuals, which lead to abolition later on, came from the idea of God given rights. And back then God-given implied a form of Christianity.

Try reading history instead of websites.
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Nice try

" It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods…”

No Christian, or believer in the Christian nature of the men who founded our Republic, has ever claimed they did. Duh. Red Herring. Next?

“ or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture”

Exactly our point…..The Founding fathers were of Common Christian stock…Average Joes, with Natural Rights, not Kings or Oracles… just like all their common brethren…all those ship workers, craftsmen, business owners and farmers whose common, mundane and “natural” political and social outlook, sense of justice, right and wrong, tyranny, and freedom, were formed by and a reflection of, over fifteen hundred years of Christian thinking at the time.

"...I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson

Atheists talk like that all the time, don’t they?
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Oh get a job! For every quote you can copy and paste we can find 20 stating the opposite.

We WERE founded on Christian principals and the fact that the more we stray from those principals the more violent and lawless we become.

This is not freedom and liberty - it is shackles and slavery.
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Are you at all familiar with history prior to 1776? There were lots of shackles and slavery then. Now take one look at who the rulers were, and from where they drew their moral sanction. Does "The Divine Right of Kings" ring a bell?
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Tex is right. And correct too. Plus, you're blind.
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You tell him.. hes only got facts and references. FAITH PEOPLE!
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Faux has only got cherry-picked "facts and references" and little enough of them, iLubDinos. John Adams is merely beating up a straw man - none of the founders claimed they "had interviews with the gods" or that the Constitution was borne to earth inscribed on gold plates by an angel.

Try again.
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"But to a secularist like me, Mr. Moore’s words sound like a welcome dose of pragmatism..."

Uh huh. But if politics becomes secondary as a means to affecting the transformation which evangelicals desire, how pray tell are you going to get them to pay attention, much less vote in large numbers when the future of politics, and candidates in particular, is defined by your notion of pragmatism?

Mr. Moore may not "turn inward" but I doubt he back up that claim for evangelicals as a whole. Evangelicals throughout our history have tended to either be all in or all out with respect to politics. If you look at the 20th century, you see a period of activism in the first two decades followed by a long quiet spell broken first by USSC decisions in Engel v Vitale and decisively by Roe v Wade.

Mr. Moran, like most "pragmatic" Republicans, has long expressed fright at the prospect of evangelicals, and the religious right generally, and more recently by Tea Party types and Libertarians more broadly. When the choice for these groups is "none of the above", recent elections seem to show that they simply stay home.

Apart from Hectoring and attempts to frighten - which is not very "pragmatic" when you think about it - what will Mr. Moran and those like him offer in order to bring groups, increasing disaffected, to the polls? If they affect an attitude that these groups are either unneeded or unwanted, or that their views and desires are déclassé, you won't get them to vote for your preferred candidates.

Take comfort in that, Mr. Moran.
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Yeah - the last election was the last one for me. I'm no longer going to participate because I'm tired of the mush the gop has been putting up for the last 2 elections.

I REALLY want a viable 3rd alternative.
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The candidate you describe sounds an awful lot like Huntsman who entered the 2012 GOP primary claiming that he didn't need any of the traditional GOP constituencies to win the nomination because he would do it instead on the strength of the moderates alone. Remember how far he got? Yeah, neither do I. but, he sounds exactly like Mr. Moran's more "practical and pragmatic" sort of GOP candidate, nor do I think that Huntsman would have carried the nation, not without those same groups Moran so eagerly impugns every week.
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America is collapsing. A nation that no longer can recognize the uniqueness of a man and woman, that can no longer define what a marriage or a family is, what right or wrong is, that believes by changing word definitions you have changed reality, is a culture that has drunk deep of the Koolaid, and is on the floor gurgling, babbling inanities, in its death throes. We are not "Slouching towards Gomorrah", we are Gomorrah ten times over, simply awaiting the last results of our stupidity, complacency and self-imposed madness.
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And all this, too, must come to pass. I'm not sure why you're so happy to see the secularists in the ascendant. They are the left and if you dislike the left and find them to be controlling and vulgar and in all ways selfish, unjust and largely callous to the plight of others, I can't see why you'd be all for removing the impulse that has largely tempered those traits in humanity. But, by all means, plunge on into the Godless abyss and wonder why things only grow darker all around you.
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It's amazing for me to see how people can be so rigid about political ideologies. Calling the entire left "controlling vulgar and in all ways selfish" is amazing. Half the country. Half of the 300 plus million people and you effortlessly divide them between godly and selfish (and yet the percentage of Christians in the US sits at around 75%). You should be very excited that secularism is on the rise. Secularism doesn't mean non-religion. It means that in the public square and in the laws of our land, we treat everyone equally and we don't prefer one religion over the other. How would you feel if the Seventh-Day-Adventists came into power and changed the laws so that the sabbath was celebrated on Saturday and that no one could do anything but obey the sabbath?

Or the Jews, or the Witnesses, who would abolish Christmas?

Secularism steps aside all of that without interfering with your freedom as a human to believe these traditions, it just does not give you the power to force your individual or denominational beliefs onto people who are not a part of your religion. It makes it equal for all of us to exchange ideas without the threat of censorship or fear because of who is in charge.

Secularism affects nothing about your personal beliefs in God. What more could you ask from a diverse society filled with thousands of christian denominations and Hindus and Muslims and Jews and even non-believers who just want to be left alone to worship/not worship as they see fit (Judge not..etc..)



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The FFRF and ACLU disagree with you.
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How many are brave enough to support the literal word of God?

The Earth is Flat and held up by pillars, as Psalm 23 clearly states.
Snow and Hail are held in storehouses above the Firmament, as the Book of Job makes clear. Rain falls when the windows of heaven open, letting the waters above come in, as in the time of Noah. One cannot believe the historical record of the Flood without abandoning all the falsities evil-utionists have been teaching for so long, unopposed by true Christians.

The so-called "sciences" of astronomy, meteorology and geology are all false by definition, as they contradict the inerrant Bible. To say anything else is backsliding and cherry-picking. Only when this is acknowledged will we regain the True Faith. Only when Christians have the courage to reject false science and all its works will the Bible Belt, and America, recover from this nightmare.
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"Snow and Hail are held in storehouses above the Firmament"

Can a cloud NOT be a "storehouse"?
Or a "container"?
Or some particular such place, where particular things things are found to be, or eminate from?

Do they NOT commonly exist above the "firmament"?
That is to say, Off the ground, higher up than that "firm thing" we most commonly stand upon?

So, you're saying that YOU encounter FOG ON THE GROUND more often than you see CLOUDS over your head??

I dont recall any long-devision, or algebraic formulas in The Bible either.

Or Pie...I like pie...

Here's a clue...much of it is SPIRITUAL in meaning, and due to the (more) primitave nature of language and technology of the time, its disingenuous to play "Gotcha" over specific phrases transated across several lanuages.

In other words, its the MEANING of the words, because I'm pretty sure he didnt "Speak English" in the way you understand it today.

Suffice to say I believe in the hand of god...I will not be boxed into a corner to "prove" what he uses to trim his nails.
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Psalm 103:12 12 "...as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."

This verse clearly indicates that the planet is a sphere. Where is your flat earth? This notion has clearly been debunked as originating from ANY church, but rather from seamen who wanted to deter competition.

And your false science? Seems to me it's the left that embraces false science (global cooling - global warming). It has always been Christians and Jews who have made the greatest scientific discoveries because of their desire to "See into the Mind of God."

I pretty much believe that you leftist hold onto bigotries against Christians that you yourselves have made up. Tell a lie often enough...........

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Hey Zoe, you misspelled "literalist".

Psalm 23 is clearly poetry, not a geology or geography text. The Book of Job is a morality tale, not a modern meteorology text.

Christians, especially the Catholic ones, invented empirical science and what you'd recognize today as "astronomy, meteorology and geology".

Is your point that some Christians are silly? Then what's your point, because a whole lot of atheists are even sillier. You do know, don't you, that the Big Bang theory is so named because that what atheists called it in order to mock the idea that, contrary to the ancient pagan and atheist beliefs, the universe has a beginning. Of course, said the atheists of the day that's what a priest dabbling in science would say - as the atheists blanked out Hubble's stellar red shift evidence and the implications of Einstein's theories. No, the atheists would rather believe in spontaneous creation of matter (the discredited steady-state hypothesis, a feature of public school books well into the 1970s - long after the discovery of the microwave background radiation vindicated the Belgian priest). Now the atheists tell us there is no God but we must believe in an infinite number of invisible alternate universes (pick any of a number of multiverse hypotheses) - talk about going against Ockham's warning against multiplying entitites!
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You're kidding, right? You're some kind of troll who is saying patently idiotic things in order to make Christians look bad. What the hell, I've got time to kill, I'll bite.

Where, exactly, are these pillars supposed to be? Because I've been halfway around the world in one direction, and all the way to the Prime Meridian in the other and I've never seen them. I've family members who have been all the way to Cyprus, no mention of pillars. Are they in the southern hemisphere? Because I have friends who have been to Australia and they haven't seen them.

The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was spherical (they also knew that shellfish and pork were prefectly safe to eat if you prepared them properly, so they might have had a few brain cells up over the Israelites.) The proof isn't terribly difficult. For one, the shadow of the Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is always a section of a circle. Secondly, if you watch a ship sail away you'll see the hull sink lower and lower, followed by the sails, and then the tops of the masts. As the ship arrives the process is reversed. And finally (this one is best because you can actually do it yourself) put a stick of a fixed length in the ground and measure the length of the shadow. Now drive a hundred or so miles north or south (doesn't matter) and the next day, at the same time, measure the length of the stick's shadow. It will be different because the Earth is a sphere (well, an oblate spheroid, but baby steps). Not to mention things like satellites and aurorae.
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As an Evangelical Christian, I can tell you Mr. Moran that I doubt Christians have ever been the majority of this nation, nor were we ever promised to be the majority - just the opposite, in fact. Narrow is the gate and few find it.

But I do believe this a nation founded by Christian ideals and traditions and anyone that argues otherwise is blind. The further we get away from those ideals and traditions, the more our country sinks into the abyss.

I've found many in my lifetime who call themselves Christian. I've found far fewer who actually exemplify real Christianity as I read it. I believe we "Christians" are the majority in self identification only.

If this nation a Christian nation, there would be no permissiveness of abortion, or gay marriage, or our coarsened and vulgar culture - all of which are completely antagonistic to God. We would not be permissive or remain in silence for the convenience of winning a vote. There would be no trillion dollar deficits to pass on to our children and grandchildren, or millions on food stamps while practicing sloth. And the greed and corruption of Wall Street would be loudly condemned and punished as harshly as any blue collar crime.

We as nation would not question our defense of Israel, or equate the rest of the globe with Israel. Israel is to be treasured and protected, for it is the place that God designated as His own.

A man like Barack Obama, Bill Clinton or even Mitt Romney would not be our selection of President.

I have found the current direction of both large political parties today basically incompatible with what I consider sound gospel. For me, it really is the better of two bad choices; therefore I vote Republican the vast majority of the time because I believe God demands I participate as good citizen.

I don't demand perfection of my leaders because all of us flawed. Christians too recognize their own shortcomings and should walk humbly with God - many of us, myself included, too often fall short. Our loyalty and our mission does not lie with the Republican Party. It should lie with Jesus Christ and no one else.

Fortunately, I have found the secular Constitution completely compatible with the pure religion of the Word of God. We Christians believe God ordains the leaders of the world for both good and bad and we recognize it only a matter of time before every knee bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

That will include Barack Obama, it will include me, and it will include you, Mr. Moran.

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“I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect ‘history’ to be anything but a ‘long defeat’ — though it contains (and in a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or glimpses of final victory.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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Tex, you may believe that "this a nation founded by Christian ideals and traditions and anyone that argues otherwise is blind. The further we get away from those ideals and traditions, the more our country sinks into the abyss".

You may believe that, but that doesn't make it true. A quote from one of our founding fathers, and a subsequent link might be worth reviewing. Every generation warns of moral decay and impending doom, and we continue to survive. We need to continue to use "reason and the senses" when crafting law and keep religion out of public policy. Freedom of religion is granted, but so is freedom from religion.

"Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/#ixzz2cXcy0hVW
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Given the wealth of information available about John Adams, your interpretation seems extraordinarily foolish.

What Adams is making clear for history is that neither he, nor any other founder, make a claim to have seen or talked directly to God. They were not given tablets on a mountain top.
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Actuall, he's right. The further we get from our founding Christian principals the coarser the culture becomes and the more consequences of that coarseness. Vice, violence and disease has skyrocketed since you secularists have gained control. And your treatment of children is appalling. Violence, sexual abuse and death is what you've bequeathed our future.
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Do your homework,
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/religion.html [http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/religion.html]

Quote: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli]

Pay attention to the signatures of America's Founding Fathers

As a Christian myself I won't deny history or facts to suit my own bias, otherwise I would be blind.
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Yeah - that was the first national appeasement of islam - so muslims wouldn't attack our ships.

Here's what Adams really thought and said:

“The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” – John Adams

“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”- John Adams

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”- John Adams

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”- John Adams

“I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.”- John Adams

“The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.”- John Adams

“[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”- John Adams

“As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.”- John Adams

“It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.”- John Adams
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I made this account purely for the purpose of writing you this response, because I feel it's my job to try to inform the uninformed.

First off, why do you feel that Christians are a minority in the United States? In 2007 a survey was conducted and showed that 78.4% of the people in this nation identify as being Christian, Catholic, or some other Christian denomination. Not only are Christians the majority, but the VAST majority. More than 3 out of 4 Americans identify as Christian, meaning there are approximately 274.4 million people who consider themselves to be part of your minority. Unless you submit that the church has lost the 218 million members that would cause it to become a minority over the past six years, I assure you that on this point you are wrong. If you want to argue that 218 million people identify as Christian but don't uphold what you view as the proper Christian ideals, that's fine. I, however, doubt that that is the case. You can read about that survey here: http://religions.pewforum.org/reports.

Secondly, this nation was in no way, shape or form founded on the Christian religion. John Adams, who, last time I checked, was one of the FOUNDING FATHERS, said in Act 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...". That means that one of the few men who actually founded this nation explicitly says the opposite of what you claim, and this treaty was then accepted by the Senate, one of the main governing bodies of this country. You can read the Treaty of Tripoli here: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

You claim that in a Christian nation there would be no permissiveness of "abortion, or gay marriage, or our coarsened and vulgar culture..." and I must agree that that is probably true. Thankfully, however, we live in a nation where those things ARE permissible and where people like you are unable to take away the rights of those who do not believe what you believe. Live and let live Mr. Tex Taylor, and keep your regressive ideals to yourself.
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" Live and let live Mr. Tex Taylor"

Hey great idea...How bout we start with THE BABIES?!
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You don't live and let live. You are the true regressives since our society has disintegrated into amoral violent cesspool since your party gained control. Where's your utopia?

Here's what Adams really thought and said:

“The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” – John Adams

“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”- John Adams

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”- John Adams

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”- John Adams

“I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.”- John Adams

“The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.”- John Adams

“[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”- John Adams

“As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.”- John Adams

“It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.”- John Adams
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>I've found many in my lifetime who call themselves Christian....

I've long tried to figure out how to tell a true Christian from a false one. I've seen people with diametrically opposing views claim rhat the other side is not a true Christian. Considering you seem to have this insight, I was wondering if you could share how to tell.
1 year ago
1 year ago Link To Comment
Null -- ask yourself which one of these people's view most expresses the concept of loving your neighbor, and you will have your answer. It's not always an easy determination; that seems to confound many people.
1 year ago
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"Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you."

"‘They hated me without a cause."
1 year ago
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