January 16, 2013 - 9:16 am
Today, the president is announcing that he and the administration will:
- Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
- Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
- Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
- Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
- Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
- Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
- Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
- Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
- Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
- Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
- Nominate an ATF director.
- Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
- Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
- Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
- Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.
- Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
- Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
- Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
EMBARGOED
- Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
- Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
- Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
- Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
- Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-executive-actions-on-gun-control-2013-1#ixzz2I9xEVYih
More: What We Learned from President Obama’s Gun-Control Announcement
“On every question of construction (of the constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June12, 1823
The Complete Jefferson
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“That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…”
Samuel Adams
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“If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.
Alexander Hamilton
Federalist No. 33, January 3, 1788”
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“Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.”
James Wilson
Lectures on Law, 1791
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Good stuff, Warren.
“Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system”
And what about information provided to federal agencies, including the White House, by outsiders?
“Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.”
Oh, I bet he will.
I figured HIPAA would get in the way of his little plan. I foresee lawsuits…lots of lawsuits.
I believe in what you all are doing! Exposing thieves and lairs, One thing that is in need, is for this generation to learn to monitor what is going on in there prospective States. There is a deadly undercurrent in legislation, bill’s being presented that resend law that ultimately protected us, and our freedom and bill’s that create law that ultimately destroy us and our freedoms. Once you start looking at who is presenting thees bill’s it becomes very clear who is good and who is corrupt.
This generation can and should spend some game time on there Legislative web sights and spread the news!
All that drama? Then we get this list? Not ONE concrete idea for actually preventing school shootings in all that list. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it one more time – we are witnessing the birth of The New World Order. No need to physically protect kids of the hoi polloi class – only the future leaders of the NWO require protection. Which is why Feckless Won’s kids have and will continue to have round the clock protection for the rest of their lives. Your kids and grand-kids aren’t important enough to require real protection.
Feckless Won’s ‘list’ does reveal how he thinks. Anyone on his ‘enemy’ list could conceivably be prevented from having firearms based on information the Feds have about that person. That would be you and I.
Something just struck me– The Liberals scream bloody murder when laws are suggested to require a photo ID to vote. Of course they claim this is “Racist”. So how do these same liberal screamers reconcile with Obama’s measures that demand full background checks for gun purchases. Under the Liberal definition, how is that not “Racist”? Won’t these measures have more a negative effect on blacks?
No effect when you get your guns illegally.
My point being that if securing a simple photo ID to vote is deemed too diffucult for minorities and thereby “disenfranchises” them. How about a thorough background check? How can people who have never saw the need for a photo ID pass a background check?
Sorry I misread your comment. I saw legally when you actually said illegally. However, based on our new language standards put forward by the Democrats, are we allowed to use the word “illegal” anymore?
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
Say, here’s a radical idea: how about instead of wasting tax dollars on this you just stop demonizing the NRA, which has already been running such a program for 200 years now.
That came to my mind right away as well.
Three-fourths of the federal government is redundant.
Since the late 1920s, actually. A response to spiralling increasing in negligent firearms fatalities. The rate of fatalities due to negligent discharge has been in decline since.
Someone better than me should write a
“Dialogue between Doctor Redcoat and Patient George Washington.”
Here ya go:
Dialogue Between Doctor Redcoat and Patient George Washington
by Bugs
Doctor Redcoat: Mr. Washington, do you have any guns in your home?
Patient Washington: F**k off.
THE END
My doctor’s a nice guy, but I’m afraid that’s the answer he’ll get from me if he asks me about guns in my home.
Unfortunately my doctor already knows I have guns. I had one on my person during an appointment.
I hope you took it off before they weighed you.
It’s all about enabling/compelling the doctors to ask your children whether you have guns, drink alcohol, smoke dope, or partake in other drugs. Then the doc will ask if Dad or Mom ever have loud arguments. The ask how often you take out your guns in front of them, etc., etc., etc. And if your child answers, confused or not, it goes in your record.
If you answer “yes” or “f*ck off”, the response of the government will be to deny you health care, because you indulge in a “risky” behavior.
Physician’s Notes:
Patient Washington exhibits a highly uncooperative and hostile attitude toward government-mandated physician queries. His profound distrust of government efforts to reduce gun violence indicates an anti-social and self-centered personality. His hostile response indicates anger issues.
Opinion: Patient Washington is mentally unstable. High risk of committing gun violence.
Physician’s Recommendation: Confiscation of firearms. Mandatory anger management counseling.
Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies, (The wisdom of Lynard Skynard).
If my doctor doesn’t ask me about guns in my home, I won’t ask about his wife’s vibrator in his.
Simply counter with a question of your own: “How, dear Doc, has this anything to do with my health? Am I here for a checkup or to yak about our hobbies?”
I recently went to my doctor and was given a questionnaire that asked some nosy questions (smoke alarms, car seats, mental health, sexual practices, guns in the home, etc.)
I refused to answer it. It’s none of the gov’t darned business.
Yea! A free American at last!
That #16 statement is really geared towards those doctors & nurses who take care of children. They will use the children to get the parents. Read Orwell’s 1984. Start teaching your little ones on what to say when the questions are asked because children generally are not very good liars.
If anyone has a lousy relationship with their older kids, better improve it quickly; else they just may throw you under the bus!
What’s the incentive for good people to have children anymore?
Presidential Memorandum =Executive Order.
What a great moniker.
“#9 Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.”
Does this include the guns he illegally exported to Mexico, and which were subsequently used to murder hundreds if not thousands of Mexican citizens, PLUS the US citizens who were murdered in our country with these guns, under his failed Fast and Furious debacle?
In all honesty, there are a few egregious items as well as some things the states need to think about long and hard before climbing in bed with the federal government to implement, but the majority of it looks like fluff.
Only 3 of the recommendations touch on making data available between agencies, federal, state, etc.
Seven…SEVEN(1) of the recommendations involve health care issues! Still, at least the issue of mental health is now on the radar, but the concern I would have is how wide they would cast that net to snare as many people as possible in the designation as mentally incompetent to possess or own a firearm.
Think about all of our returning vets who may need some help with various degrees of post-traumatic stress symptoms that, while possibly temporary in nature, could permanently ban them from gun ownership even after they have recovered.
The biggest issue for me is #14, as the CDC cannot be counted on to be impartial – they WILL have an ax to grind and have already previously tried to lay claim that gun violence is an “epidemic”.
I have no faith in their results.
Then you have various programs to “help” states with things like resource officers. The states need to bear in mind that anything from the federal government comes with strings attached, and they could find themselves dancing the federal tune – especially when money is involved.
#7….would it have killed the SOB to at least reach out to the NRA and ask if there were any way they could help to expand the Eddie Eagle program using federal resources? I mean $hit, the NRA has been promoting gun safety for decades now! What are the feds gonna do that the NRA (and gun industry in general) has not already done?
Police paper work will now take a significantly longer amount of time limiting the actual time on the street. I bet the police unions will love this rule which will require even more overtime making the union chiefs that much richer…
More to my concern is the ‘mental health’ issue preventing people with actual reasons for needing a gun from getting one. A battered woman fleeing an abusive husband will have most of the same disorders that these nut jobs they’re trying to stop have…. Depression, paranoia, PTSD, Mania…. difference is, someone is actually out to get her, it’s not her imagination….
So what are they doing to assume responsibility for the people with a legitimate need for self defense that are being denied on the grounds that their abuser broke their mind bad enough to insure they’d be forbidden a means of self defense?
Fluff is what it’s all about. Anything to make B. O. look good whether or not it has any usefulness or not.
This is basically fluff. Most of this is already in place. For example, the CDC endlessly opines about “gun violence”. Nothing new there already. Tell police to trace guns seized in arrests? Routine already.
He’s made a big deal out of this, and there’s nothing here but fluff.
Maybe he should read what the CDC has already published. They, the CDC, looked at over 50 gun restriction laws across the land and found that not ONE (1) of the existing gun laws had any appreciable effect of gun violence! This impostor of a president is grandstanding and playing to his left wing base for purely political reasons.
18.Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers
Uhhh . . . wait. Wasn’t that Wayne LaPierre’s idea?
Can’t be. Wayne LaPierre is crazy.
He’s typical of the people so many on PJM lament as the surge of society. Out of college to a low level political hack position, private sector lobbyist to private sector non profit lobbyist corrupting the electoral and government processes. Thats the kind of bio we want as policy makers for the country –right?
Drinking again I see.
Here is some advice. Do not watch your god obama and take a shot every time it says “I” or “Me”.
“9.Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.”
Huh? You telling me the FBI/ATF don’t already check guns they pick up?
Wow, that’s some really tough “gun control” measures there, Mr. President.
How do you figure this guy? He makes noises like he wants to start confiscating guns, then comes up with…suggestions and initiatives?
Maybe he got the message. Gun control is a non-starter.
I wouldn’t give him any credit. It was only STRONG opposition from NRA and gun rights advocates that produced this result.
In my opinion this is part of a longer term strategy. Make vague remarks, send the opposition into a frenzy of worry, get the opposition generally discredited and mocked in the process, and then do it all again the next time. Meanwhile steady progress is made bureaucratically while he asks his base for MORE power to do more next time.
He always said he would work under the radar. The water temperature got turned up a degree or two, this time.
Damn right…
We have 4 more years of this a-hole commie…
The Pelosi’s and Reads know what laws he wants, and they will push them.
This was the “stating gun” to tell them to get cracking, thats all
Watch the other hand.
Yes, watch the other hand, one of those other hands being: Janet Napolitano, head of the Department of Homeland Security, who released a statement Wednesday saying she is “proud to support” the Obama administration’s efforts to “combat gun violence in our country.” Here’s more from Napolitano’s statement:
Splendid, eh? A national snitch network, in the making. How very… soviet of them.
It certainly seems like a lot of work getting around to the fact that if anyone on that campus that day had been armed, the perp would have shot himself sooner. What’s taking place now must come under the category of “waste”, since fraud and abuse will come later.
Obama’s list is purposedly “fuzzy” because it will give the bureaucrats enough freedom to take over & destroy our freedoms through nitpicking. All those government agencies are theoretically OK but it’s the government employees who give Joe Public hell. EPA, IRS, & DMV are 3 great examples. I think the employees of those agencies ENJOY treating us like dirt. Talk about a warped power-trip mentality!
I’d note the Chief Executive’s thing about physicians is consistent with a certain Progressive world view that says those with “doctor” in front of their name should oversee us, for our own good.
What I’m getting from my doctors is that they are getting fed up with all the new hoops that the government keeps making them jump through. More time filling out paperwork, more forms to fill out, more ridiculous, but mandatory, “consultations”, and the need to hire more staff just to make sure all the t’s are crossed and the i’s dotted.
I think Obama has probably created a record number of ex-Democrat doctors. If he keeps going the AMA make start lobbying for the Republicans.
My liberal mother’s Dr just told her that things were going to get MUCH MUCH worse in terms of her health coverage. The Dr must have been really serious because she was scared.
I also had the pleasent experience of being behind two Obamaites at the pharmacy the other day, while they were arguing with the pharmacist over the sudden increase in the cost of their medication. That kind of made my day.
I am tellin’ Ya’, the answer to O’commie-care is Indian tribes building medical facilities next to their casinos. They already have the hotels. Somewhere the Doctors are going to go. Somewhere there will be real health care like we had.
Now it may be an Aetna Cruise and Health plan… going to be a lot of big ships available from what used to be our navy. Or a Blue Cross Blue Shield of the Caymen Isle……
…..But! There will be real care.
“Propose rule making to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.”
So, is this background check going to be modeled on law enforcement hiring and testing protocols? You know, require the gun owner seeking to get his gun back after an “incident” to take a polygraph test, the ink blot test, a blood chemical and urine test, a standard battery of psychological tests, such as the California Personality Inventory, with a psychological interview all at the owners expense? It’s the only way to be sure, although I would venture a guess that more cops go to prison each year for violating the law than lawyers are disbarred for violating the law and their professional ethics under their various state bars. Harvard lawyers generally are better trained and lawyers do get to run their own licensing boards, and they don’t have to pee in bottles as a condition of employment. So, when are we going to be bringing back those literacy tests for voting?
“…a standard battery of psychological tests, such as the California Personality Inventory, with a psychological interview all at the owners expense?”
A great concept that can be tailored for certain! Additionally, every person arrested and adjudicated, including plea bargain dismissals of assaults at any level and or violent crimes, be automatically disqualified for gun ownership.
So you are in favor of the kind of “Star Chamber” justice that the Bill of Rights was designed to prevent.
No, he’s just pointing out how insidiously creepy evil and invasive it is…
They’ll arrest you on false pretences based on how outspoken you are against them, and the arrest ALONE will require some hoop-jumping that you will never be able to satisfy to get your guns back when the charges wont stick.
As far as “Star Chambers”,I’m all in favor of them..
For US to *ahem* “monitor and modify” through “appropriate stimuli” the treasonous behavious of THEM
If you are commenting on my comment to Zeke I assume you are being sarcastic.
So, are you in favor of mentally unstable people owning guns? Are you in favor of those who display a perpensity to violence against other citizens, being gun owners? What is ‘your’ fear in screening mentally unstable people from gun ownership?
Objections so far:
1. Medical/mental health records none of the government’s business (unless you’re on Medicare or Medicaid, in which case you get what you paid for).
2. Turns doctors and mental health workers into government spies.
3. “Mentally unstable” is not a recognized condition. If I’m grumpy after a hard day at work, will my therapist drop a dime on me?
4. It’s spelled “propensity,” not “perpensity.”
5. Who does the “screening?” Will they be accountable to anyone?
6. Why would someone who is “mentally unstable” go to a therapist if they want to buy, possess, or use a firearm? It’s like the “security” provided by random bag searches in our Metro system. Why would a terrorist with a bomb get in line for a random bag search?
7. HIPAA, despite what Obama says.
8. What recourse will I have if I want to dispute the government’s “mental health expert” as to my fitness for gun ownership?
9. What if the doctor was wrong and the cops still confiscate my guns? Will they be required to give them back? How many months or years of bureaucratic processing will that take?
10. If the government takes my guns based on a shrink’s assessment, what actual crime will I be charged with? How can I answer those charges. Define the offense.
11. If the government takes my guns based on a shrink’s assessment, will I ever be able to pass any kind of background check ever again? If I have a security clearance, will I lose it?
12. If I’m too unstable to own a gun, I might be unstable enough to kill my shrink for ratting me out to the cops. God, I hate a snitch…
Will that do for a start. That’s just my list. Others may add or subtract as they see fit.
Bede bede Dat’s All Folks.
Awesome Bugs.
Love the last… haters of the last nark. Seriously, what numbnut lets the State define sanity? Stalin maybe… zeke?
“Screening” to determine “mental stability” to own guns is fine so long as there is some sort of due process where the state has to prove its case against a would-be gun owner and the gun owner has the right of counsel, expert witnesses and appeal if needed.
Denying someone their civil rights is a big deal.
After consideration, I realized I was contradicting some things I said following the Virginia Tech incident. I think there SHOULD be a way for psychiatrists, therapists, school counselors, law enforcement, and others to deal with someone who appears to be an IMMINENT THREAT due to mental health problems.
By that, I mean people like Cho, Holmes, Laughner, Spengler, and Lanza. From what I’ve read, all these men were disturbing to other people including their families, had been seen or noticed by school or mental health counselors, and were generally giving off crazy/dangerous signals. Spengler was a violent ex-con.
I’ll echo Zeke’s vague “mentally unstable” term here: these proposed measures should only be taken against actual psychos – people who are obviously in danger of “going off” in the near future, people who frighten other people by the way they look, behave, and speak, people who exude crazy from their pores. Again, that’s not a diagnosis; it’s not in the DSM. Could mean schizophrenic. Could mean clinically depressed. Who knows? From what acquaintances say about these shooters after the fact, most of us seem to know this kind of crazy when we see it.
The problem is, how do you turn that gut feeling into an actionable diagnosis? And how do you avoid creating a dragnet that catches people who are harmless but extremely weird?
I’m waiting for the lawsuits to start. Maybe the Supreme Court can figure it out…
So much for all the big brave threats about “executive action”. Bullies always back down when faced with someone who will actually fight back. Hey Joe, where are you going with nothing in your hand?
Do any of these new ordes prevent the Obama Administration itself from giving automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels that can subsequently be used to kill American citizens?
Nope. That would require that Holder be arrested.
That would be an Executive Order I would support.
In regard to HIPAA laws: Note that he does not say anything about asking about guns. Will a government doctor simply be able to blacklist someone on the basis of their diagnosis. They will all be government doctors. This is really bad.
While sympathy for the families of the Connecticut victims is natural, has anyone compiled stats of how many “collateral” children have been killed in the President’s personally ordered UAV strikes ? Is there a swell of MSM choreographed opinion that new laws or Constitutional Amendments are needed to control that violence ?
Forgot to add : someone should focus on the SDS ( Dohrn ) public position about individual possession of firearms : http://25thaviation.org/facts/id960.htm
GBUSA
Of course he got the message. Notice how he handed the ball off to the Village Idiot (Biden) so he could run his big mouth off to the press just like he always does, floating ideas to see what the reaction would be? If there had been no push back on those ideas, this list would have been much more punative. Instead there was a hue and cry about abidgement of our Constitutional rights. So we get this list of crap so Zippy doesn’t have to look like he backed down and we end up with a whole bunch of things that presumably are already being done in the first place. The Media, who cannot bring themselves to find anything wrong with anything he does, goes into full drive touting his strong leadership and the libs get a “Feel Good” moment. Frankly, I’m far more concerned with what Cuomo did than what Zippy did.
Can someone explain how executive orders are permissible under our form of government? Don’t we have a system of checks and balances on each branch of government?
Executive Orders have been around since Washington. He issued 8 of them, among them one setting 26 Nov 1789 as Thanksgiving Day and another requiring former Confederation (remember that before Washington was President under the Constitution there was another government under the Articles of Confederation) officials to issue a report to him on their activities.
Most executive orders have been used to instruct various Federal Executive agencies (State dep and other agencies for example) on how to implement laws passed by Congress. For instance, some of the more famous EOs have to do with the President “seizing” food or other resources in an emergency. Those EOs exist because Congress passed some rather nebulous law under Title 50, Chapter 34 about national emergencies. The law gave the President power to declare a national emergency but was rather vague on what actions the government was to take during one. Thus the President issued an EO that – in excruciating detail – told executive agencies of the government what to do. Had Congress exercised a bit more due diligence an EO would not have been needed.
In the aggregate, this round of EOs does little or nothing that wasn’t already on the books elsewhere. They do, however, look to be more pointed at health care agencies than previous ones.
In general, as one of the three branches of the federal government, the President has the ability to issue orders so long as they do not contradict the Constitution or infringe on the Constitutional duties of the other two branches. He cannot declare a law Constitutional or not—that’s the prerogative of the US Supreme Court. He cannot declare war or wage war beyond the limits given him by law—declaring war is the prerogative of the Legislature.
Every President tends to issue Executive Orders. The problem is if the Executive Orders are not merely some mundane procedural matter or civic goodwill or such but an effort by the President to bypass or overrule another branch of government’s exercising its duties and obligations.
Current polling among gun owner homes — of the big three issues its 60/40, 70/30 and 80/20 FOR reform.
Now watch the democrats begin to screen ‘their’ candiates for the 2014 election cycle who belongs to the NRA and or share the NRA position on these issues, will instead, choose to stand with the majority of the people, including gun owners. The likelyhood of the House going to democrat control in 2014 for a number of reasons seems to get better now. Majority still rules in America!
Zeke:
See below. You have been sold out.
Why golly gee – we gots polls!!!
That groundswell of public support for more firearms restrictions on law abiding citizens must explain why every last one of the democrat congress critters have so unabashedly climbed onto the gun control bandwagon and the Bamster has decided to really go punitive in his executive orders!
Oh, wait….
(snicker….)
If I were a gun grabber I would be sorely disappointed. I wanted guns off the street and all I got was a bunch of phoney feel good actions.
He voted present again.
You seem to be the one missing reality. In the world of reality, nobody is pushing for gun ban except for maybe a very small minority of extremists who are in numbers about the size of the far right delusional extremists. The overwhelming majority of Americans across all party lines have NO desire or intent to mess with gun ownership by emotionally and mentally sound, responsible citizens.
Unfortunately that very small band of gun-control extremists includes most every Democrat in the federal government. And don’t even get me started on what the evil pricks running New York just did.
So you are saying that the Governor of New York is an extremist?
He’s a statist douche bag who is merely positioning himself for 2016. And you can quote me on that.
I didn’t happen to see a gun ban in the NY reforms. Can you please post the gun ban laguage in the NY reform?
It bans the future sale of weapons that have EEEVVVILLLLLLL features, and bans magazines with over 7 rounds capacity.
Existing weapons (and I assume magazines) are grandfathered.
So yes, it DOES ban guns.
@ scottch — So, NO it doesn’t ban guns as you infer! It only bans a gun type and a magazine type. The second amendment is quite alive and doing well!
Zeke said: “So, NO it doesn’t ban guns as you infer! It only bans a gun type and a magazine type. The second amendment is quite alive and doing well!”
And herewith we have a clear example of zeke talking out of both sides of his a$$.
His first sentence claims – incorrectly – that the law doesn’t ban any guns. Then in his next sentence he states how it bans guns.
Reading comprehension is obviously not Zeke’s strength….
I guess Andrew Cuomo didn’t get that memo.
“…emotionally and mentally sound, responsible citizens.”
Define, please. Preferably before you report me to the cops.
The defintions are available to you in the DSM. Do you need reporting?
What is the “DSM”? Best I come across with is “American Psychiatric Association” accreditation. Seriously, zeke would have us let nebulous leftist organizations define who is “unstable”.
This is not a good thing, think Stalin, Hitler.
Ah, no. I think I will be keeping my Right to Bear Arms… to deal with the Stalin/zeke/obama types… if for no other reason.
Would this be the same Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) manual that they have revised repeatedly over the years to redefine various alphabet soup mental disorders they have ‘discovered’?
Would this also be the same branch – psychiatry – that routinely used to recommend and administer shock therapy and lobotomies?
Would this be the same branch – again psychiatry – that now routinely dispenses SSRI class medications, sometimes to even very young preschoolers? SSRI class drugs that figure prominently as a common factor when the profiles of shooters are determined?
Would this be the same branch – psychiatry – that the old USSR used as a tool to ‘diagnose’ political dissidents and send them off to mental hospitals for ‘rehabilitation’?
Would this be the same branch – psychiatry – that was used as a tool by Hitler to exterminate “undesirables”?
You, as is typical for leftists, place far too much faith in that branch….
Well, here’s an extremist for you:
http://theintelhub.com/2012/12/31/red-alert-senator-dianne-feinstein-plans-outright-gun-confiscation/
So if I get this right he has forced down our throat 23 relatively useless actions that if they were in place a month ago the shooting would have still happened? The 2 major things he has campaigned for and pushed he isn’t forcing through but sending to congress so they predictably say go f**k yourself and he goes on TV saying that he tried and congress is the bad guy. Is this right?
Exactly right … but I would add that frivolous EO’s are illegal; I maintain that Obama STILL has no authority to issue EO’s under the name of “presidential memorandums” and THAT is part of the “let’s see if we can get away with it” stealth tactics. He doesn’t have ANY authority to do what he just did!!!
Hey, where are the waivers for the boys raised in single parent homes, obsessive players of video games and watchers of Hollywood violence flicks and minority gang bangers? Without waivers, these disadvantaged youths will continue to be subject to unfair criticism as “potential” killers. It is OK to lump evil white middle class gun owners into a group for punishment, but others must get waivers, for the sake of fairness.
This is about establishing legal precedents!
If one uses critical reasoning skills to dissect the 23 new Executive orders, one would reach the conclusion that they encroach on:
2A – right to keep and bear arms
4A – right to privacy
5A – right to remain silent
9A – enumeration of right, shall not be construed to deny or disparage rights retained by the people
10A – powers not delegated by the Constitution are reserved to the States
Damn near a clean sweep!
I have no problem with Obama’s voting present on this one. Obama understood Something Must Be Done. So, he did Something. Everyone happy now?
Let’s not complain. Defeat the assault weapons ban and magazine limitation, and ignore the rest. He probably will, too.
There is only one serious and responsible policy which has been shown to deter mass murderers, getting rid of “gun free zones”. No other policy has had any measurable impact on mass killings. It is the adult response to the issue. If only one life could be saved, shouldn’t progressives get over their infantile fear of guns and abolish “gun free zones”. Abolish “gun free zones”…for the children.
Now I got the itch to buy another gun.
I know conspiracy therories abound but what if this is really just about pushing people to do something stupid and he calls martial law and really does something about it? I mean this is just a bait-n-switch game. It is okay for Jay-z and Beonce to have security, but the normal citizen can only have the protection from the government. It is okay for all of congress to have detail security protection paid by us, but we have to wait for the cops to come. No wonder people are nervous. I think the NRA will give them a run for their money if they are smart because even the bad guys like to keep their guns to protect themselves from the other bad guys.
You haven’t been keeping up. Between the NDAA, Executive Orders and The Patriot Act, among many, many others, we’re one ‘national emergency’ away from martial law, as it is.
…and almost any emergency will do…
If he were to call for martial law all the red state national guard unit would fallow the governor. The blue state guards would sit it out because they would split at best. The regular military would fragment. The state and local LEOS would follow their chief executives. The CJCS knows this so when the planning order was issued, he would consult with the service chiefs who would then agree that this was unworkable Coup d’ etat and march troops down to the White House and remove the President. Obama also knows this so he would never issue the order because he doesn’t want to end up like Salvadore Allende. So knowing this you can safely put away your tin foil hat.
Obama has a better way of establishing a Democratic Party dictatorship. Just make more poor people who will vote the Democrats in forever just like Chicago. That plan is running smoothly at the moment so why tamper with success.
There are always Romanian Term Limits…
The actual announcement can be summed up this way: It is an invitation to multiple federal agencies which have zero legimate interest in firearms to spend tax dollars on creating burdensome regulations that limit citizens’ rights.
If this is what Joe Biden drew up, I would put a brick on his pay check.
I counteroffer.
The federal government will immediately start doing their job, enforce current law. Thus we will prosecute those with the DoJ who committed felonies in facilitating weapon deliveries to Mexican drug lords, and nominate an honest, competent ATF director. Sen. Grassley may have a name.
I would public ally swear off any talk of banning ugly guns or the proper magazine size as a useless, and possibly Unconstitutional idea. I would concentrate all efforts on the killer.
I would order the federal government to get out of school security issues, a state responsibility.
I would be honest: the first responder to confronting a criminal shooting is normally an armed civilian, not an armed policeman.
I would order all departments to cut down the violence in the prostitution, drug, and illegal immigration industries, and paraphrase Joe Stalin: either win, or be fired.
I would order the CDC to stop researching killings as a disease. Their work to date is cloaked as science, but is in fact, funded by left wing anti gun forces who seek the brand as CDC science. I would rather order them to define means to identify the criminally insane with some certainty, and order the DoJ to propose laws to Congress, by June 1, 2013 to implement these means, via electronic means, consistent with America’s Constitutional Rights. A huge debate topic is the resolution of what electronic records may be permanently kept by the government on weapons, and weapon owners.
I would enlist the NRA in a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign and fund it by taking money from executive agencies who are not as capable.
I would ask churches for help with providing guidance to young males who lack a stable home life.
My list is better and took five minutes. This is not rocket science; it can only be solved by honesty, and will power. America will either get some real leadership out of Washington D.C. or fail.
Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
People of PJM:
This isn’t satire. I’m not joking.
The President of the United States needs serious mental help. He is a sociopath.
To invoke the 25th amendment and rid this nation of a President determined economically, politically, militarily and every which way to take this nation to slaughter, professional opinion is needed. We need to seek the counsel of politically independent psychiatrists who swear under oath to the obvious: that Obama’s serious personality disorder prevents him from carrying out his duties as President of the United States.
One of the most egregious example of Obama’s mental illness: Transferring to criminals in the drug trade in Mexico thousands of assault rifles willy nilly, without any sense of the damage they can do; the men, woman and children they’ll be used to kill. (Operation Fast and Furious).
Then there are numerous examples of the sadistic delight Obama takes in mocking anyone who disagrees with him.
In Obama’s book, “Dreams of my father” Obama recounts how, in his high school days, Obama took delight in doing everything from mocking teammates who made game-losing mistakes to mocking coaches and officials behind their back for any atypical physical condition they might possess.
The mocking, of course, continues, with Obama as President. He’ll mocking anything from the Supreme Court to citizens who disagree with him who he calls the enemy. Everyone’s seen the sick high Obama gets from mocking political opponents.
Another Obama symptom: Promises and oaths mean little to sociopaths.
Now, Obama is issuing executive orders that require personal care physicians to break their promise of professional confidentially laws by asking patients about their gun ownership and reporting those who admit exercising their constitution right to bear arms.
Obama’s gun phobic nature strongly indicates a deep seated concern that the citizenry will try to use force to overthrow the Obama regime for Obama views himself as a king, with no limits on his power.
The contradictions in his actions as President are remarkable. A year ago he was giving the most powerful, military style assault weapons to Mexican cartel criminals where children would end up being among the victims.
These days, Obama talks about not giving criminals guns to kill children with, but instead talks about issuing executive orders to “save children with” subverting the constitution in the process. Is he out to kill children or save them?
One thing’s for sure. Obama is out to murder the second amendment.
This sick psychotic is busy at work working around the second amendment, wanting to removes guns from the populace. And there is no way to foretell where Obama’s anti-social behavior will lead.
President Sociopath (Bill Daley of the Chicago machine calls O behind his back) on the one hand talks about saving children’s lives while he’s on record supporting abortion at any time in the pregnancy process.
Even after a healthy baby is born; in the case of a botched abortion that Obama euphemistically calls, “late term abortion, Obama says “offer babies born by mistake no medical attention. Obama jokes they should be throw away in the trash. If the cry, babies are often smothered. Which is why so many Americans feel late term abortion is barbaric.
Obama’s mental disease seems to know no bounds; like bankrupting our country in the high teen trillions by spending tax money grossly; excessively; wasting it.
The AMA says this behavior stems from a bi-polar disorder; a serious psychosis. The average person might exhibit this mental illness by spending all their money shopping. Become the shopaholic.
Lying is another sociopath tool.
The fact that Obama is a proved pathological liar, for example, conspiring to cheat to help him win elections.
Encouraging voting theft by the labor unions ranks Obama in the danger red zone of the mental disease.
Of all Obama’s bizarre manifestations of sick sordid behavior seems to revolve around guns. Which butt against the constitution, and is likely to bring him to his knees politically. After the 25th amendment is invoked and Obama is no longer in power, a person with his advanced mental condition often suffers a complete mental breakdown. Some have assumed the fetal position for years.
We can’t assume Obama will go quietly when relieved of his duties. The most important thing for this nation is to remove Obama as swiftly as possible. It’s curious that Adolph Hitler also suffered Obama sociopathic mental condition. Hitler’s went untreated. Let’s hope Obama gets the help he needs to someday become a useful member of society.
I should add that Obama’s condition, as you know, is fairly unknown in this nation; after all, he was just re-elected.
Most everyone sees Obama as fairly intense but not mentally ill. Most assume our President is within a range of mental normalcy. However, this could not be farther from the truth.
Our present President is way off the grid. Never before has someone with such serious mental incapacity been sitting in the oval office.
In my professional opinion, congress cannot begin removal procedures soon enough.
These executive orders have nothing in them but rhetoric. They won’t solve any problems today or in the future of stopping gun violence in schools or shopping centers or at a workplace. I can’t imagine my doctors asking me if I own a gun. I just might reply to them that they should reserve those questions for any mentally ill patients they may have in their files and/or are currently treating.
You will soon be wishing that you were correct on this. All Hail to King Obama.
In my area, there are witch doctors. Maybe with these new directives from Obama, they are licensed to operate on bullet wounds.
I think every patient should tell their doctor they have several guns, and all their family members do too. When the Feds put all these numbers together, they’ll have a number larger than the National Debt, and no real idea of how many guns are OUT THERE.
Read President Obama’s New, Proposed Executive Orders and Legislation on Guns By David Weigel | Posted Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2013
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/read_president_obama_s_new_proposed_executive_orders_and_legislation_on.html
Do any of these give them the right to dig back in your medical history and when they find out that someone may have been in alcohol and drug treatment 30 years prior, to retroactively deny them a firearm? Numbers 2,3 and 4 are confusing. Is that what they mean? “Review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun?” What does that mean? Make up more categories? Any ideas – anyone?
Denied if you had a crazy uncle, or if any neighbor ever heard you curse when you hit your thumb with a hammer.
“Review” probably means “expand” or “multiply.”
Typically bureaucratic response to the problem. Yes, there is a big problem of gang and gun violence in Chicago, LA, Philadelphia, Detroit and other cities controlled mainly by the Democrats. Only a complete idiot can think that Obama’s proposals would somehow help to solve that problem.
It is truly sad that the US political “leaders” is so detached from the realities of the country they say they love.
Check the FBI data say 2011 and see what geographical ‘region’ the most homicides were committed.
“Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.”
Step I. put your head between your legs
Step II. kiss your butt goodbye
Step III. Wait to die
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, in a written statement, said: “Guns require a finger to pull the trigger. The sad young man who did that in Newtown was clearly haunted by demons, and no gun law could have saved the children in Sandy Hook Elementary from his terror.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/16/obama-gun-plan-meets-resistance-on-capitol-hill/#ixzz2IB3aiAql
Here, I disagree with Perry. A certain law could have saved lives of Sandy Hook victims – the law that would allowed teachers in that school to have conceal-carry guns. Unfortunately, there is the law in place that prevented them from that option.
Heh, heh; Looks like Obozo is directing an awful lot of “letters” to be released. He’s giving his media homework.
Reminds me of a blind rooster; Squaks a lot, kicks up a lot of dust, but doesn’t do anything but eat and poop.
In response; The Peoples Mandate:
1. Issue a Federal memorandum that requires the background check of all presidential candidates be publically published within 90 days of intent to run for office.
2. Authorize the States to perform background checks on all presidential candidates and publish the results.
3. Improve incentives for States to share background information with the Federal Background Check system.
4. Direct Attorney General to review all Presidential candidates’ background checks to assure no criminal is slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on all Presidential candidates.
6. Publish a guidance approved by Congress and the Supreme Court on what parameters to apply to Presidential candidates background checks.
7. Launch an internet based campaign to educate Americans about what responsibility comes with being elected President.
8. Review Presidential candidates driving records to verify compliance with local traffic laws and that all traffic tickets have been paid.
9. Issue a memorandum directing Federal agencies to publish all foreign travel taken by the candidates.
10. Release a DOJ report on what steps to take to eliminate a candidate with an incomplete background check.
11. Appoint a Presidential Candidate Investigative Committee Director.
12. Provide the personal phone number of the elected President so any American can call and complain.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to assure only candidates with complete background checks may proceed with their campaigns.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Mental Stability to verify all candidates mental condition.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the effects on Presidential candidates mental health as a result of a complete background check.
16. Verify that no Presidential candidate is intent on passing any federally mandated health care legislation.
17. Release a letter to advise all healthcare providers that they are not to be conscripts of any rogue politician.
18. Ensure no schools are singing praises to any President or candidate.
19. Develop emergency estoppel procedures to intervene when a President or candidate attempts to spend excessive amounts of taxpayer confiscated funds for personal travel or on the job campaigning.
20.Release a letter that states Medicaid cannot determine the mental health of any program participant.
21. Quit frolicking in the medias blind adoration.
22. Commit to finalize all Presidential candidates mental health measures.
23. Launch a national dialogue directed by Health & Human Services Secretaries on proper guidelines for Presidential candidates’ mental health.
Hahaha! Terrific post! Completely out of touch, but great fun anyhow. Thanks!
No more “OUT OF TOUCH” than Obozo and his new cabinet which he had on stage with his address.
While not as comprehensive as Luther’s 95 Theses, Obama’s 23 Theses do present the opportunity to demonize one’s opponents (hence,the presence of school children–not in school)and further one’s agenda by scandalously exploiting the suffering of innocent victims.
Whether this puts Obama on the side of Martin Luther or the Pope Leo X is beside the point.
What is clear, is that abiding by Obama’s 23 Theses (and certain proposed legislation by our incompetent and illiterate Congress)will result in us all being “…more confident of entering heaven through many tribulations rather than through a false assurance of peace.”
May God bless all, true believers that we are…
And, America will always remain the land of the free and home of the brave…
And, there’s a lot more of this stuff coming in Obama’s remaining 1464 days, 18 hours, and 58 minutes in office.
A lot of those actually sound kind of reasonable BUT does address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system mean my health records become public if I buy a gun? What if you tell your doctor it’s none of his business if you have a gun? Does he get to not treat you?
And why didn’t he nominate an ATF director in his first term?
It’s simpler than that. With your gun ownership in the Health Database, they can assess additional insurance premiums due to your increased risk. These premiums would be an alternative to actually coming to your home and seizing your guns. If you claim a “canoe accident” they can get you for fraud, and can inspect your premises on that basis.
This pretty much confirms that Obama has been talking up the gun control issue so that he doesn’t have to talk about other things — like the economy.
And; Benghazi OR “Fast & Furious”.
24. Have the CDC investigate the disturbing number of recent firearm-related canoe accidents.
Where does this say your doctor will ask if you have a gun? It does hint at looser privacy in health care, depriving a right based on a disability and leaving these questions up to bureaucrats. The fact that this is tied to the Health Care Act and HIPPA is a cause for concern.
In my line of business, stuff like HIPAA, the Privacy Act, and the ADA are holy writ. Violating them brings down the wrath of God (or the cognizant regulatory body) on the offending party. NO kidding. Messing with this shit is a career-ender.
So now Obama glibly sez “Hey, no biggie. Executive order. Go ahead and leak people’s info, deny people rights, whatever. Tell ‘em I Obama says it’s ok!”
Jesus, my head is spinning. HIPAA, the Privacy Act, and the ADA – and all the trouble, expense, extra paperwork, and regulatory/bureaucratic bloat they cause – are supposed to be for the Greater Good. So which greater good is better? You tell me…
IMO, the Doctors asking about guns in the home etc, is just like Castro does in Cuba. Giving in to the Obama regime on anything just invites them to try to get away with more.
Maybe it would be instructive to look at the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health. There are a lot of “mental illnesses” in there, some that might surprise you.
I am a licensed FFL dealer. This list changes NOTHING at my level. NOTHING.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
Log the original owner’s name/firearm/date acquired by myself/etc. into my records book.
Have the new owner fill out 4473.
Call in for background check.
Big Frickin’ Deal. Any FFL knows how to do that. I wonder how much this cluster—frak is going to cost the taxpayers. My Industry Operations Inspector didn’t seem to have a problem with my doing transfers that way.
Notice, there is no requirement for Johnny to come to me to transfer a firearm to Janie. Not in this state. I guess in the end I could charge the original owner and the new owner $500 each to keep from doing the paperwork. Let them go elsewhere for that and leave me alone.
President empty-suit and Vice President smoke-and-mirrors …. how much do we pay these idiots?
@ Bugs below #13
Long cute comment but seriously flawed in logic and reality.
Courts have long had the authority to decree mental capacity and conditions.
Law enforcement uses psychological testing.
Some government agencies use psychological testing.
Numerous places in the private sector use both psychological and lie testing.
YTou mentioned an appeal question. Have the same appeals rights you do in the above listed cases where testing is mandatory.
So, what does a psychologically well and responsible citizen have to ‘fear’ with the idea of test screening potential gun owners for their mental health condition? Everybody on PJM was quick to proclaim it was mental nuts doing the killing and that its they who should not own guns. Now, ya’ll seem to be reversing in the face of an idea having to be test screened. Makes one wonder!
I’ll grant you the point about the courts. However, Obama’s proposals and Cuomo’s laws say nothing about “test screening” for people who want to own guns like we already do for people who are applying for certain jobs. That would be voluntary and above-board. Don’t want the screening? Don’t apply for the job – or try to buy a gun.
(Thought experiment: How about if we “test screen” you before you’re allowed to exercise your First Amendment rights? After all, you might have some dangerous ideas that could cause great public harm. Better find out your mental condition and your beliefs before we turn you loose on the defenseless citizenry.)
What they’re proposing, however, is involuntary screening of anybody who walks through any doctor’s door, whether that person owns a gun, intends to own a gun, or has owned guns all his life. That’s different. Unlike screening for a job or a security clearance, there appears to be no requirement to inform the patient that he’s being screened, no requirement to inform him that he’s been reported as a risk, and no legal recourse until AFTER the cops have come and taken away his guns.
Seriously, I have no problem with figuring out a way to keep dangerously unstable people from getting their hands on firearms. But it has to be done in a way that a) doesn’t trample on stable people’s rights and b) doesn’t sweep up a lot of innocent but weird people in the process. In my opinion, Obama and Cuomo’s sweeping pronouncements leave too much leeway for abuse, mistakes, and unintended consequences. Still, it’s early in the process. It’s going to take a long time to work out the details. That will happen in the legislatures, doctors’ offices, the courts, and the public forum.
I thought liberals were all about “questioning authority” and “speaking truth to power.” It’s strange (assuming you are a liberal) that you’re so complacent about your Constitutional rights. Good citizens don’t just roll over when the government does something they’re concerned about. They speak their minds. Or does that only apply when a Republican is President?
Bugs,
I feel like a lot of people are missing the real danger here. It is understandable because of the upset about the guns. But one does not have to be a doctor to write a damaging mental health note. Why are people assuming that a full-fledged psychiatrist/doctor would be doing these “mental health screenings?” Do people even realize how broad the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual is? That a short term “alcohol abuse” is a permanent mental health diagnosis? That things are included like “religiosity.” Have they ever seen all their medical records? It is very dangerous to tie medical notes and records to the right to bear arms. And to tie the interpretation to law enforcement? Be very careful about a willingness to scapegoat the “mentally ill.” That can mean almost anything. PTSD in a violent crime victim could deny them the ability to protect themselves, for instance. This is very bad business.
OBAMA HIDES BEHIND CHILDREN TO PASS ANTI-GUN AGENDA
Young children are understandably fearful of things they don’t understand. They are small, timid and powerless creatures, and the world is large, loud and scary. It … READ MORE: http://bwcentral.org/2013/01/obama-hides-behind-children-to-pass-anti-gun-agenda/
he dident hide behind the children…these were the “kids” who actually wrote the “presidential list” …couldent you tell it was written by third graders ?
I wonder if while comrade obama had the attention of these “very smart kids” he explained and apologized to them for putting them and every other American in debt to the tune of 50 grand and would now be borrowing another 500 million from china to implement the new gun rules they wrote
2011:
killed with rifles – 323
with knives and cutting instruments – 1694
blunt objects – 496
personal weapons (hands, fists, feet etc.) – 728
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
Just as a matter of some historical data since you inadvertantly left out hanguns.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm
Just as a matter of some historical data since you inadvertently left out gang related violence:
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm
After perusing the information, it seems to me like a huge chunk of the problem was not so much the gun as it was the rise of gang related activity and the crime that follows it.
BTW, imposing draconian gun laws on law abiding citizens will have zero impact on gang related violence.
Handgun related crimes went up until around 1993 – then began a looooong drop that seems to have flattened out around the year 2000.
Interestingly enough, there has been a long slow drop in crime since the early 1990′s for every weapon catagory – which corresponds very nicely with a drastic increase in the number of guns that the private sector has been purchasing as well as an increase in the number of states issuing concealed carry permits.
Even more interestingly, the drop in crime began in 1993 before the 1994 AWB took effect, and it’s expiration in 2004 appears to have had no impact on crime levels.
Gasp! Could it be that the potential pool of victims became both smaller and less easily identifiable? Does that little old lady toddering along the sidewalk pack a Smith & Wesson in her clutch? Thugs may have begun recalibrating their cost benefit analysis…
Bill Clinton used to be called the greatest gun salesman in history – but the Bamster has eclipsed his accomplishment.
So, while gun ownership has skyrocketed and concealed carry is now commonplace, crime – and especially gun crime – has apparently been going down.
So, this leaves me with the question….why do leftists so desperately want to control what guns are available and even fantasize about outright confiscation when it’s clear that crime is going down?
It can’t be because gun control has been shown to reduce crime, as the locations with the strictest gun control laws seem to have the highest crime rates.
Hmmmm…..could there possibly be another reason, having nothing to do with crime or public safety, that leftists would would want the average citizen to be defenseless?
GET THE THUGS AND GANG BANGERS OFF OF THE STREETS OF CHICAGO AND THE MURDERING AND SHOOTING WILL CEASE ; WHAT IS IT THAT ALL OF THESE IDIOT POLITICIANS DON’T UNDERSTAND SUCH A SIMPLE CONCEPT !!
I would like to know who in the Administration listed Yes Minister as mandatory viewing for cabinet secretaries and above?
The twisted simple minds of the progressive / communist democrat will
never grasp the fact that its not the inanimate object the ”gun”
thats the problem , its the society that the progressive / communist
democrat party has promoted and fought to create for the last 50
years.
They have taken God out of every public school and govt building in
America and replaced him with sex education for 5 year olds, forced
mandatory homosexual acceptance , free birth control and tax payer
funded abortions for everyone, Church’s and Christians routinely get hassled
by the Godless communists/ progressives for displaying nativity scenes during
CHRISTMAS, but dont you even think of trying to limit their right to
promote .publish or display any of the moral less trash they worship.
The liberal communist democrat hollyweed film makers make killing
people with a gun look kool ,fun and no problemo,they are the real ”
gun culture ” not the average US lawful gun owner, they tell us
hundreds of teenagers are killed each
year by gun violence, but they they dont tell us 90% are black and
Hispanic teenage gang members gunning each other down to protect their
drug turf .
The progressive / communist democrat parents whose ”family values ”
are in the toilet, have adopted life like 3D killer video games as
their new baby sitters …they just dont get it ……ITS NOT THE GUNS !!
ITS THE MORALE LESS SOCIETY THE PROGRESSIVE / COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS
HAVE FOUGHT TO CREATE !!!
Bolshevik obama supporter bruce springsteen called for the shooting
of all the the 1%ers in his new album and the hollyweed obama
supporters promote gun violence daily with their shoot em and kill em
all films …but we
cant touch that ,thats our Freedom of Speech, our First Amendment
right, so what do they do ? they do the second best thing … they go
after the Second Amendment. In the simple minds of progressive /
communist democrats they will ,with a gun if necessary ,defend to their
death their First Amendment rights…… but they dont believe in “We the Peoples”
Second Amendment rights,
its Bolshevik obamas core supporters that have created this society
,
they are the problem , not guns
I wonder how many rounds a determined killer with a back pack full of
loaded 5 round clips can get off before the cops show up ?
What a bunch of gobbleygook.
What an impotent government we have, except when this devious, imperial president succeeds in making the republican opposition look like pipsqueaks.
Drugs (many of them prescription) violent videos and movies, family and cultural constraints on behavior near non-existent ? You must be pretty dumb if you have to “study” all this societal crap that shapes a Jared Loughner, a James Holmes, an Adam Lanza.
Remember the lengths progressives went through to blame Jared Loughner’s little Tucson exercise in self-aggrandizement on “right wing radio” ?
And all the bureaucrats do is babble and use these horrible incidents to advance their control agenda.
Could this scenario occur in a few years? Obamacare puts health insurance companies out of business. Health insurance is offered by the government. If you own a gun, your health insurance premium is outrageously priced. A backdoor method to override the second amendment.
Sources: Rand Paul to push legislation nullifying Obama’s executive actions on guns 01/16/2013
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/16/sources-rand-paul-to-push-legislation-nullifying-obamas-executive-orders-on-guns/
Back in the 1950′s, I along with about 30 other young teens attended the Informative and well organized NRA Hunter Safety Course every Monday night for ten weeks along with weekend range safety shooting and safety obstacle course at our County Fish and Game club.
Between the NRA and our fathers who fought in WWII we all had a great background in gun safety.
Now his Majesty, King Obama declares we all need what the NRA has given us free all along.
Like he is the enlightened one with this revelation of gun safety in the form of an EO.
Go get em Rand Paul. Nullification for those that deliberately broke their oath of office conspiring to infringe upon our Constitutional Right put forth in the 2ND Amendment.