It’s instructive watching the difference in reactions to Romney’s remarks on dependence between what I’ll call elite Republicans and the rest of us. Among the elites, the remark is a huge and costly gaffe. Mark McKinnon, who wasn’t even a Republican before George W. Bush and who spends his time criticizing Republicans for the mainstream press now, thinks the comment is very costly. Jonah Goldberg finds it infuriating. Bill Kristol is in a panic, calling the remark “stupid.” David Brooks is also worrying his little fingers to the bone, comparing Romney to Thurston Howell III.
Talk about your dated analogies.
I won’t let the moment pass to note that Brooks is about as representative of the broader electorate and especially the GOP base as McKinnon is. Brooks is the fool who allowed that Barack Obama’s pants crease persuaded him that the then backbench senator would make a good president. Good laundry = good leadership! Brooks depends on the liberals who run the New York Times for his daily bread. Goldberg’s and Kristol’s criticisms should carry more weight with conservatives, but I think even they miss the opportunity here.
From out here more than a thousand miles outside the Beltway, Romney’s comment strikes me as perfectly defensible. I live in Texas, a state that intentionally keeps its welfare safety net small to reduce the burden on taxpayers and keep the state’s economy among the most productive in the country. Free enterprise leads to more jobs leads to a better life for everyone. Keep government predictable and as out of the way as possible. That’s how we see things out here.
The exposure of Romney’s comments provides an opportunity to air a few facts.
All you say is true, and yet Romney set himself up one million percent for the Obambus rejoinder already issued (and of course a lie, but at least an appeal to traditional values), that he is the president of all the people, not just this percent or that percent.
It was just *exactly* the kind of remark that Romney should NEVER make because it is *exactly* the kind of remark the Democrats accused him of really believing. What can you do with that, really.
Sorry, but after years of railing against the “1%” and other assorted boogeymen, Obama cannot claim to be the president of all Americans.
Of course he can claim it. It’s complete and utter BS and we know, but he’ll still claim it. And an appalling number of Americans will believe him.
The big problem, that Romney set himself up for, is that the 47% hard core for Obama isn’t the same 47% not paying taxes. It’s a polymodal distribution of maybe 20% at the bottom not paying taxes, and another 15% at the top, with an additional 12% of middle to upper middle class government employees. Sandra Fluke is going to pay taxes through the bazootie, which is why she wants her chunk of government cheese.
Romney should leave the math to Ryan.
Romney should leave the math to Ryan
Werd
… but that’s a little scary, too.
Of all the things I don’t like about Obambus, his inability to do numbers, is the top of the list. And now Mitt, Mr. Leveraged Buyout, can’t do simple percentages? T’is only as I expected, and most feared.
Just how the hell have we come to this, two candidates, neither of whom is remotely qualified for the job.
“Just how the hell have we come to this, two candidates, neither of whom is remotely qualified for the job.”
and this has been true for a while – with one or two notable exceptions….
And we’re expecting good, capable, competent people to step up to the plate and take this stuff on?
We don’t seem to realize that there is a zero defect mentality out there that keeps us from figuring out who is best suited to be the standard bearer (in either party) when it’s election time. Throw as much mud at a candidate and look to see how much of it actually sticks. That’s one helluva way to pick the folks who are supposed to be running things.
“On the people, therefore, of these United States, it depends whether wise men, or fools, good or bad men, shall govern….” Samuel Langdon
After perusing the PJ comments section for a while I don’t think it’s inaccurate to suggest that many posters are senior citizens. Are you a moocher? Well, according to the 47% figure that Romney regurgitated, you are all a bunch of freeloaders milking the system. If you are in any way intellectually curious as to who that 47% figure might include, it does in fact include our seniors. To be specific about half of the 47% figure.
Half of the 47% are people who simply didn’t make enough money to pay income tax. The rest all have some special tax benefit that leaves them with no tax liability. 44% are people who have tax benefits because they’re elderly. Mainly that’s the non-taxability of most Social Security benefits. Another 30.4% are Credits for Children and the Working Poor (i.e. the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Rebates). The remaining 25.6% runs the gamut from itemized deductions, education credits, special rates for capital gains and a lot else.
Needless to say, this is “income tax”, which is far from the only federal tax. Virtually everyone who gets a pay check pays the payroll tax. And when you combine the amount you pay and your employer pays on your behalf its about 13% from the first dollar on up. I would hardly consider them moochers.
See page two for the pie chart.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf
Isn’t Mitt taking his legal deductions what has liberals’ underwear in bunch about Romney’s taxes? If you are justifying no tax liability just because you qualify for numerous deductions, it proves the inequity of the tax code and the need to overhaul it. I guess I wouldn’t care so much, if so many “middle class” people taking thousands of dollars in tax credits didn’t whine so much about the rich and their tax shelters.
Remember, it’s all on a sliding scale. Because of my situation, I pay the full tax liability for my income bracket. Just because you qualify for all kinds of deductions, doesn’t mean I don’t think you’re a freeloader too.
I know I get pretty rankled when my “poor” food stamps neighbor puts an empty 42″ HDTV box in the trash ’round tax time, while I have to cough up a few hundred more for Uncle Sam and the Governor because they didn’t steal enough out of my paycheck during the year.
Dunno, but maybe that’s why Romney won’t release his returns. Maybe he doesn’t want us to see that he paid no income tax and he’s actually a moocher himself. In reality he is a moocher. Aside from the income tax issue, his own mother details how the family was on the dole.
This amazing video of Lenore Romney, Mitt’s mother, talking of her husband’s dependance on Government assistance underlines the hypocrisy of their son’s views at that fundraiser. Mitt’s dissing of the 47% is a direct contradiction of his own mother’s accounting of being part of the 47%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YPZPaysBTqk
“And those “other forms of taxes” that the AP mentions are undoubtedly the payroll tax. Which is really only a payment towards Social Security ‘insurance’ and Medicare ‘insurance.’ They are not paying into to the general treasury. (And which Obama has cut for employees.)
To claim paying a small amount towards Social Security benefits is like paying income tax is like saying your contribution towards your employer provided healthcare insurance, means you are paying to support the company.” Quoted from http://sweetness-light.com/.
The fact is that he is right and you liberals don’t want to admit it. Half the country doesn’t pay taxes (and while some of them may be Republican I’m pretty sure the vast majority are Democrats) and that half is going to go through hell and high water to ensure that the other half foots the bill for their lifestyle. That half is a total write off as they are the willfully blind who will never vote for Romney. He could call them all freeloading mooching commie pinkos who secretly all own black shirts and not only would it make no difference whatsoever it would be fairly close to the mark. Or as I read somewhere else: “when you are catching flak it’s because you’re over the target”.
Hey guys, lookee who’s back! Howzit going, CW? Missed ya around here.
I mean, it hasn’t been a good few days for your boyfriend, has it? Embassies taken over, an ambassador and his companions killed, and oh, an Arab American taken away in the middle of the night for “questioning” by guys wearing brown shirts.
Silly me, I thought that last one only happened under Chimpy McBushitler! I guess we finally found some Arabs that Obama won’t stand with in solidarity, eh? Think he’ll let Interpol execute those Egyptian warrants, so they can get executed in Cairo for offending Islam? (One of your boyfriend’s first acts as President….executive order giving them the right to arrest perps here.)
With all THAT, no “wonder” you’re so happy about a recording that violates Florida law (both parties have got to know the convo is being recorded….look it up) that’s being flogged by Jimmah Cahtah’s grandson. Selectively edited, of course.
Enjoy the next couple of days. Because we all know your boyfriend (or his trusty sidekick, Sheriff Joe Biden) is gonna do something to make everyone forget about this “gaffe”.
His supporters would be very upset if he claimed to be the president of 100% of Americans. They want him to be the president of the 99%. They believe the other 1% is composed of the evil rich, including Romney.
Romney opens his mouth and the Media inserts his foot. In other words NO MATTER WHAT Romney says he is going to get pounded and caricatured. It is infuriating to know, however, that the idiot (fake) Republicans inside the Beltway are helping the enemy. Mitt we have your back…DON’T BACK DOWN!
Kayray444:
It’s heartening to know that there are still some folks who tell the truth and are not a part of the political comedy class of characters who fill their pockets without regard to what they have done to their country and are willing to continue to do in 2013 and beyond.
It’s hard to see how Romney can beat the bought and paid for Media. Obama is not his opponent, it is.
Thanks.
Romney’s critics aren’t fake Republicans. They are real Republicans who have no clue how to play the game of politics. Do you see any Democrats criticizing Obama – even after he’s guilty of gross negligence leading to the death of Chris Stevens and after he sends Susan Rice out to lie about whether the attack was planned and whether they were warned about it?
If Democrats had a nominee who was the Valedictorian at his University; who then went on to achieve a 3.97 GPA in combined MBA and Law; who gave away his inheritance to his University; who then went on to a brilliant business career where he made hundreds of millions of dollars using his superior intelligence, knowledge and work ethic; who then worked for 3 years at no pay turning around his country’s Olympics – which were a debacle when he assumed responsibility for their success; who then became a Governor of the most liberal state in America where he inherited a deficit and, despite an 85% opposition, turned that deficit into 4 straight surpluses – and, oh yes, he also performed those services for free.
In addition to all of the above, he’s led an exemplary life, ministered to members of his church and helped those in need who crossed his path. And in addition to paying tax of 35% on the earning of corporations in which he invested, he paid capital gains tax and then gave gave 15% of his income to charity.
If the Democrats had a leader with these qualifications, rather than the opaque incompetent they universally prop up, they would be in a state of permanent orgasm.
Republicans have no clue how to play politics.
It’s critical to note at this point, that Todd Akin has permanently damaged Mitt Romney’s campaign with his gaffe-tastic remarks.
I don’t know how Mitt will recover from what Todd Akin said. Todd Akin has single-handedly cost Mitt Romney the election, and put Republicans back into the Dark Ages.
To everyone on PJ Media who made comments like this, please read the blog above and promptly shove your head back into the dark, smelly place it was moments prior.
Romney’s comments are right along the same line as Akin’s, except Romney has factual evidence to back them up, whereas Akin had years of expert teaching based on bad evidence backing him up.
Both remarks were on messy topics no one wants to hear or admit, yet they were both correct to make those remarks in the greater context of the cultural issues plaguing our country.
My frustration lies not with either candidate, but with the lemmings who can’t wait to commit collective suicide any time the media tells them to do so. Regressive Socialists (Republicans and Democrats) will always do whatever an authority tells them to do, it’s their default response.
I’m just sick of watching it happen.
Hey Jaycen.
Are you the “smelly” version of C. Blunder?
“I don’t know how Mitt will recover from what Todd Akin said. Todd Akin has single-handedly cost Mitt Romney the election, and put Republicans back into the Dark Ages.”
Jaycen, relax. Here’s a suggestion. Go down to your local Walmart and sample random opinion. Ask folks how they like $4 gallon gas. Or chronic unemployment. Or the cost of groceries. Or their savings earning near zero. Or millions on food stamps. I’m sure that you will get numerous interesting responses. Then ask them what they think of Todd Akin. Then count the number of times you hear “who?” or “huh?” or “what did you say”?.
Excellent point. Heck, I cant tell you who Todd Akin is now.
you need to re-read her comment.
It is not the retired or truly disabled that create the problem here. It is the lazy gaming the system for ‘crazy checks’ or the illegal applying for benefits that they didn’t earn. Romney should point these things out as justification for the comment, not apologize.
For a good example, watch ‘Wonderful Whites of Boone County’ on Youtube.
Talk about your dated analogies.
Yeah: “bitter clingers”, “rednecks”, “hobbits”, “flat Earth society”…
Not to mention in Romney’s case the comment is perfectly accurate. But hey, spot the outrage.
Absolutely correct, the only thing that ticked me off was the fact he is apologizing for it, act like a conservative, push home the fact and maybe a few of the takers will shamed enough as men to become doers and givers.
The only mistake Romney made was in assuming that he could not reach anyone in that 47% number. This is not true. People who have worked their entire lives and late in life find themselves deadended can be reached. People who have exhausted UE benefits and still cannot find work can be reached. People who had to go on disability programs for the first time in their lives can be reached. In fact, anyone in that number who wants to get up and out can be reached. It is a heterogeneous group and Romney needs to speak to them in that way.
Exactly. A lot of small businesses these days are just squeaking by, and providing barely enough income to qualify for income taxes. The reason why they’re poor is Obamanomics. They don’t expect to be poor forever, but the will be poor as long as the government continues to assault their means of making a living. These are not Obama supporters. These are people who “built that”, and who Biden ridicules as having a “slight Indian accent”.
It does not matter what Romney says. He cannot live on eggshells. He is speaking the truth and they are going to seize on anything and spin it to their end. WE have to stay the course and get out the Romney VOTE or America is DEAD under Obama. If Obama gets elected all those welfare receps do not realize the goverment is broke, we are headed down a horrible path. The people that matter will know the truth. Half the welfare people do not even vote. Probably educated in the Chicago school system (28% graduation rates or less)These welfare receps do not even realize O is using them and keeping them down!!!I think some are starting to wake up.
He cannot live on eggshells.
But that’s been his entire campaign.
The problem here is not really what he said, because (once you untangle some of the percentages), it’s true. And important.
The PROBLEM here (besides the garbled words) is that he SAID IT IN PRIVATE. Why isn’t he running these words (edited) as his MAIN ARGUMENTS in all the expensive media in the battleground states?
Is he prepared to back this up, in the debates?
Cuz it’s gonna come up.
– cover of this week’s TIME magazine?
It also contains an article that we should be arguing about the Constitution — except of course when TIME or its Joe Klein says we shouldn’t. Didn’t he become famous writing the controverial (during the Clinton years, Anonymous, Primary Colors) Newsweek cover The Politics of Promiscuity?
Agreed,but the commenter above is right as well about there being some in the 47% who would work for a living if they could find a job that paid more than gubmint benefits. I know some.
Why let Obama set the subject agenda? Romney should handle it by attacking Obama on something else and then something else and then something else.
“Nobody ever successfully defended anything. There is only attack and attack and attack some more”. – George Patton
Nobody gets in trouble for speaking the truth. Mitt Romney spoke the truth.
Every time this guy opens his mouth without consultant interference, I like him more and more.
Kristol, Brooks, and yes even Jonah Goldberg have it wrong. They are too tied to the Washington establishment, though conservative. Call them “McConnell” conservatives, if you wish.
Romney is talking like an outside the beltway kind of guy. Keep it up–the criticism from inside the beltway and on the east side of the Hudson is evidence that he is on point. This is exactly what people sick of Obama and his usual DC crap want to hear.
Stick to it. The Cavuto interview is a great idea–knock it out of the park, Mitt.
Romney should say. I’m just basting the goose these freeloaders are baking.
Do you want to be considered part of the pathetic 47% losers on the government teat? If so vote Obama.
Do you consider yourself an adult? Vote for the Grownups Party.
This.
Say it loud and say it often. Losers vote for Obama. LOSERS.
Vote for success. Vote for Romney/Ryan 2012
Who are the “pathetic losers on the government teat?” Seniors who worked hard and paid taxes all their lives who now receive Medicare and Social Security allowing them to spend their final years in a dignified manner? Hero
soldiers who are wounded and rely on treatment from the Veterans Administration? Small business owners who depend on the roads built with government subsidies, police and fire protection and the US postal service?
Hell, Mitt should have said this a long time ago. Sometimes the truth hurts, big deal.-If Americans don’t face reality they will face hard times.
Also mention that Obama’s goal is not to raise people UP from poverty, it is to bring DOWN as many people as possible and have them dependent on government for just about everything. That stupid cartoon put out by the Obama campaign, “The Life of Julia” was a clear example of that. It had a woman dependent on the government for just about everything for her entire life. If that’s Obama’s goal, he’ll reach it if he gets four more years in office. But for most Americans, people who still have a streak of independence in them, the idea of terminal dependency on the government is simply hateful. Hopefully, that hate will motivate people to come out on November 6 and vote against Obama.
Don’t apologize. Don’t ‘parse’. Don’t waffle.
“Just the facts, ma’am.”
And while you’re about it, call out the MSM — and be specific about it. Start with names at MediaMatters and Politico.
– grandson.
What he said is true. Other taxes are paid by most of us. Someone should point that out. I don’t usually meet people like that but do know one “artist” who claims to be independent but is on that gravy train and gets all she can get. Her conversation is all democrat talking points.
I see only one mistake: Assuming that the meeting was truly private. Political cost? Not much in my view, because the facts about dependency on government and the big lie about the presumed Palestinian interest in seeking peace (only an artifact of wishful thinking amplified by cowardice) are embarrassing to the President, not his opponent.
Breaching the controversial topics on the public stage may have been unwise, but now the two cats are out of the bag, and apologizing for them would have been the consequential mistake. Paul Ryan’s merit is to breach the facts and the truth, which is the competitive advantage of the Romney camp, when so many citizens are worried about the welfare of their country, their children and grandchildren.
I’m sorry, but it is a stupid statement by Romney. The reason isn’t that it will alienate democrats, but because it will alienate the many *Republicans* who pay no income tax — i.e., many seniors, young people still in school, those who are working class and get specific tax breaks due to lower income or family obligations, etc.
Is someone who works in a steel mill, say, who pays no income tax because of his children earning him tax credit as dependents, someone who is “dependent on the government” because he isn’t paying federal income tax? Such a person is more or less PRECISELY the kind of person Romney wants to get to vote for him — an independent hard worker with a family, who is the very center of conservative’s base. So what does Romney do?! He goes ahead and insults him as a “government dependent” who would never vote for the Republicans anyway.
I’m sorry, but if Romney goes on like this he will lose, and he will have nobody to blame but himself. And don’t tell me the media is unfair. You bet it is. But Romney isn’t running for president of the Junior high school class which has a teacher making fun of him because the teacher prefers another kid. He’s running for friggin’ POTUS. If he can’t handle, or overcome, unfair forces such as CBS’s talking heads, what chance has he got against Iran’s mullahs?
Romney can send in the drones to take out the Mullahs.
Well Obama’s policy of trickle up poverty certainly has not done this country any good.
Romney’s problem is media bias. Obama can get away with anything, but if Romney says “good morning how’d you do?” the New York Times and CNN would characterize it as a “meltdown” and a final nail in the coffin of an amateur campaign. There’s nothing Romney could do about it.
It Is Not Just Your Imagination – American Families ARE Getting Poorer
http://www.sentierresearch.com/pressreleases/Sentier_PressRelease_PostRecessionaryHouseholdIncomeChange_June09toJune12_08_23_12.pdf
Does this 47% figure include disabled veterans?
That troubles me.
Yes it does. You are, I’m sorry to say, a moocher who is a parasite bleeding the producers dry.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf
Really? It’s contractual, compensation for injuries incurred. Not an entitlement.
I should know, I am 40% service-connected, and hurt every day. And yet have worked, almost continually, for 42 years.
Whereas *your* version of “deserving” is Latisha, who has six kids by as many absentee fathers.
You Democrats are a pathology. You will destroy this nation with your arrogant, arbitrary greed.
…and we know who to hang from the lampposts when *that* happens…
If you and “Latisha” pay no income tax, you are both moochers milking us producers dry. Romney did not qualify the 47% figure in any other way. Did I clear that up for you?
Yes, he did, those that depend on the government for food, housing and healthcare and not pay taxes. He clarified does not include military or retirees that contributed. One he gets into office, he’ll create jobs and some of the 47% can at least have a choice. Right now unemployment is rampant people are discouraged.
cynical blunder says “you are both moochers milking us producers dry”
the only thing i’ve seen cynical blunder produce on this site is the usual ignorant mental flatulence repeated ad nauseam ! if ignorant nonsense was taxable, then the i.r.s. would love the blunder cynic !
Acvtually, CW, it’s quite clear that Romney is talking about people who vote for Obama for no other reason than that he promises them “free stuff”. He tossed out that 47% pay no income taxes. The Democrats seem to think they can convince people who are in that group of non-income tax payers but aren’t voting for Obama for free stuff and don’t have a victimhood and entitlement mentality, etc that they do have that mentality, and that Romney was insulting them. You believe you can just tell them that they are in the 47% and they will forget the part that Romney was talking about people who vote D just for Fed Govt free stuff to keep coming. People aren’t as dumb as you think, CW. They know who Romney was talking about, and if they aren’t part of that group, the won’t put themselves there just because you say so.
So what if it does include disabled veterans? It’s still an accurate statement.
The issue then becomes, what IS a valid percentage of the population that should be taking government checks?
I suggest that the total percentage of people getting a government check should be kept to a bare minimum. It should consist almost solely of those not physically (such as the paralyzed) or mentally (such as Down Syndrome) able to work and take care of themselves, and the elderly.
The physically and mentally disabled are an easy inclusion, and would include disabled veterans. I don’t believe you will find anyone who argues otherwise.
The elderly, even though many are able to perform work, were forced to contribute to a Ponzi scheme called Social Security for their entire working lives and whether it was ever a good idea or not the government should honor it’s commitments now. The government took their money, it’s time for the government to pay up.
Then there is everyone else.
Where that “everyone else” category is concerned, get the moochers off their collective a$$es and get ‘em on a job as a condition to receiving a government check along with a lifetime limit on how much they can collect AND a work requirement that they have to meet in order to collect that check.
And of course the check would phase out in a predictable fashion after a certain length of time. Oh, and holding a job just long enough to qualify for that check before quitting shouldn’t be allowed to fly either.
Yes, this means some folks are going to have to live within their means, but it is illustrative to future generations that if you want something in life you have to work for it, get an education, and stay out of legal trouble.
You are extrapolating meaning beyond the statement that Romney made, or taking bits of it to support what you already want to believe. Romney threw out a very specific figure of 47%. A lot of people, including myself, were curious as to the breakdown of that figure. Who is he talking about? Who are these government moochers?
Now, you can sit there in your armchair and decide who you think should be able to mooch or not mooch, but Romney was not addressing that. He threw out a figure of 47% and said that this group in its entirety doesn’t want to “take responsibility” for their lives. In other words, they are moochers. He said that not me. He did not try and break down as you are the various factions of those deemed worthy to mooch. Therefore, these moochers include many seniors who worked all their lives and paid into SS and Medicare. I’m sure they’ll be happy to know that they are moochers.
Romney has written off 47 percent of his fellow citizens – as hopelessly lazy and irresponsible and unreachable. If he meant something else then why didn’t he say it?
OK, say it DOES include senior citizens on social security, it doesn’t change anything as the thrust of what he was saying is that there is far too large of a percentage of the population that are moochers.
We can quibble all you want over what is or is not included in that 47% – but surely you can’t claim that this is an acceptable percentage, and surely you would agree that this percentage should be adjusted down as expediently as possible.
Moochers only in the sense that they pay no federal income tax. They pay other taxes. Payroll, sales tax, etc. Do I need to list them all?
@ Cynical Wonder – If they paid into Social Security, then by definition they are not moochers.
Keep trying though, this is fun to watch.
What they payin’ ya to troll this website anyway?
I know it’s hard to keep up Scott, but if you had a chance to look at the chart you would see that those who are retired and happen to receive SS often pay no *income tax* because they no longer work. That’s a no brainer. This has nothing to do with Social Security, it has to do with the fact that they pay no income tax. That is who Romney included in his 47% figure, and even he doesn’t deny this. In other words, our retired seniors are moochers because they pay no income tax. That’s what he said. Got it?
@ Cynical Wonder – No, I don’t accept that this was what he meant, and yes I’ve listened to the recording as well. Hate to break this to ya, but you don’t get the final word on what someone meant – or didn’t – and we all get to have an opinion on the matter.
I believe your position is quite a stretch and pretty full of it….
Hi C. Blunder. Did the cesspool need repairs? Swamp get drained?
Anyway,
Did you “you people” say this and mean this?
Cynical Wonder
“What you people…”
August 26, 2012 – 5:01 pm
Cynical Wonder
“You people are clueless …”
Cynical Wonder
Cynical Wonder
“…you people genuflect and spread your rear cheeks for to follow up on that one.”
July 14, 2012 – 9:45 pm
And did you say this and mean this too?
21. Obi-jonKenobi
“I could go on but what’s the point, you people actually seem to ENJOY being lied to.”
August 30, 2012 – 9:52 am
Jaycen
“You people don’t care…”
August 26, 2012 – 5:55 pm
Can’t answer? Won’t answer? Need more? Yeah, just sit back and take it.
Nothing like a Modern Liberal twisting in the wind of it’s own lies.
Buuuck, buck, buck, buck.
Hehe…now THAT’S funny!
Mr. Lucky obviously has a lot of free time in that trailer he lives in. I bet he’s one of those red state moochers on disability. On a separate note, I’m flattered you’ve taken such an interest in me, but you’re not my type …
Answer the question.
Clang! The Kick Me sign nailed to to your ass speakes again!
Buuuck, buck, buck, buck.
Hey, if the msm can actually define a statment of fact as a gaffe, then there is no hope whatsoever.
We’ll find out in November if they can, and if they can, then the USA is officially defunct.
Until then, we should urge Romney to actually tell the truth more often.
Because if he loses, nobody will be speaking the truth for long.
Romney’s got this all backwards. 47% of people not paying personal income tax is 47% progress in the right direction. The federal income tax is an abomination and needs to be abolished.
The idea that because you’re not paying federal income tax that you’re some kind of a moocher or “victim” is just plain bullshit.
Skeptic
Go spend a few minutes on You Tube and watch the video, if you haven’t already.
What Romney says, precisely, is that 47% of Americans pay no income tax, so his plan to lower tax rates will not resonate with them. He then goes on to say that 48-49% of people depend on government checks, so his message of reducing government will not resonate with them. He does sound irritated with some of these people (not all of them) saying that he can’t make them take personal responsibility for their lives, so he will leave them alone and not try to message them either.
He states that his plan is to go after the 5-10% of voters who like O personally but are not happy with his performance. Kind of like the entire state of Iowa right now and large parts of WI as well as MI.
What is so stupid about that?
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I think the Grand Bargain will eventually be:
(1) a reduced tax rate on all income (dividends and earned) of 12-15%, no deductions except the charitable deduction
(2) enough exemptions to be basically zero tax for those under $75-100K,
(3) VAT of about 5-10%, to keep total government receipts at 18-20% of GDP.
(4) Nothing can be changed without a vote of 2/3 of both houses.
(5) Medicare and SS 100% eligibility indexed to the median adult survival age at each census minus 10 years, starting in 2025 with the 2020 census.
(6) Medicare with a voucher option (note option)
(7) Full tax credit for individual portable catastrophic health insurance, after OCare repeal
The fed income tax is an abomination, but abolishing it is unlikely. You have to work with what you have.
Bill Kristol is the fool who thought the Arab spring would yield a wonderful democracy. Worse yet called out Glenn Beck for predicting civil unrest that would sweep the middle east and into Europe. Not sure why but Bill seems to have it out for Romney, which is odd. He was the one who said that only Romney can beat Obama during the primaries.
I have pretty much given up on Fox due to fools like Bill and the new flock of nasty liberals like Sally Cohen. Thankfully I got Wilcow and Real News on Dish to fill some of the void.
I’ve given up on the media. Massive story of the week is the administration’s foreign policy failure in the Middle East. So what do the newsies report on? A four month old Romney “gaffe!” WAIT, LOOK OVER THERE! IT’S ROMNEY! HE SAID SAID SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL! LET THE OUTRAGE BEGIN!
Personally, I think the story about the massive riots and the dead ambassador still has some mileage left in it.
P.S. – It wouldn’t be so bad if the media at least tried to misdirect us with slyness and subtlety. It’s the obvious way they form their human shield around Obama that really pisses me off.
Mitt’s only problem is trying to walk on eggs and avoid trouble. He doesn’t have the fighter instinct, nor the MSM to back him to try to show what a great guy he is. He doesn’t think like a guy who ever did a hard day’s work in his life. So he didn’t take it and run with the 47% figure. He could have said he wanted to elevate everyone to where they had the income to pay taxes, and how he felt bad that so many people where down on their luck and his job would be to raise their incomes so they could be taxpayers. His appearance of just writing off those persons was a gaffe, and wouldn’t have been made if he had ever given a moment’s thought to what it might be like to be in that category. He can overcome it, but only if he makes his “mind right”. Lincoln never would have made that mistake, he would have made it an opportunity that would have won him the election.
Today Townhall reports that a CNBC poll shows 75% agree with Mitt’s 47% statement.
Imagine that. Gaffe, my eye.
Tempest in a media teapot.
Also a sizable portion of these 47%ers want the dignity AND the upward mobility of a real job… and will therefore pull the lever for Mitt.
Because they get! this question; when was the last time anyone got a real job from a poor guy…???
So give ‘em hell, Mitt.
Has anyone noticed that CNBC, not at all a conservative media outlet, polled the 47% comment by Romney and it appears more than 65% of respondents agree with Romney?
This was not a gaffe. Romney and Ryan need to appeal to TAXPAYERS and exploit this cogent observation by the candidate. Taxpayers do not want to carry free loading “disabled” people who have been jumping on SS disability benefits at a record pace simply because the economy is so terrible. Taxpayers know that the system can not be sustained for children and grand children if the spigot of benefits is not greatly reduced. It’s one of the reasons Ryan has been popular.
The campaign should also use his comment about the Palestinians not wanting peace to its advantage. The Palestinians don’t want peace, they want to rocket Israel and take over its territory. The meltdown in the middle East is an advantage for Romney as it shows the utter failure of Obama’s silly and naive reproachment policy. The more the Islamists riot and destroy, the better it is for the challenger. Let them demonstrate and burn property all they want, it shows that Barky’s “Arab Spring” was a ridiculous notion.
Romney needs to get on the attack hard. He also needs to ramp up his schedule of events and get out in public more.
So, you think our senior citizens are moochers? According to Romney’s 47% figure they are. They make up over half the moochers.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf
Did those senior citizens pay Social Security taxes during their working lives? Were their other taxes used to pay for other people’s Medicare and Medicaid? If so, they deserve to get something back. Not moochers. Contributors.
Well, then why didn’t Romney say that? He threw the 47% figure out there. He didn’t qualify it with anything else or break it down, so are you suggesting we should read into his remarks something other than what he said?
Oh nooooooosssssss…..Romney has LOST – LOST I tell you (!) – the government handout demographic of the electorate!
How on earth is he going to pry the gimme gimme gimme segment of society away from the democrats now as a voting block?
We is doomed.
Doooomed!
DOOOOOOOMED!
/s
On a (slightly) more serious note, I find any criticism from the likes of Brooks or Kristol and their ilk to be of little significance and stopped giving their opinions any weight a long time ago.
I feel the majority of the public, who still work for a living, are not going to be as insulted by this comment as the pundits would have us believe, and if you feel the U.S. needs to get off of it’s collective a$$ and get back to work then this is EXACTLY the mindset we need in the White House.
Too bad you dismiss Brooks because the only GROWING portion of the electorate is Independents who might find themselves more closely aligned with Brooks than you. Registered GOP voters were down to about 24% the last time I looked. Good luck winning a national election by focusing only on your base.
I’d suggest that the percentage of the electorate who decide their presidential preference by the crease in the candidate’s pants is quite small – and rumor has it this percentage consists of a single RINO inside the beltway.
As for party affiliation….per Rasmussen:
“During August, 37.6% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s up from 34.9% in July and 35.4% in June. It’s also the largest number of Republicans ever recorded by Rasmussen Report since monthly tracking began in November 2002. The previous peak for the GOP was 37.3% in September 2004.”
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends
So yeah, denigrating the moochers is fine with me.
Boy, do you have your facts wrong.
The registered Republican total is way up. For instance, in Iowa I believe there has been a registration increase of somewhere around 110,000 Republican voters and a much smaller increase in Dem registrations since the 2008 election. That is just one example. The same is true in Wisconsin, if you are looking for more evidence. The national average of Republican voters is closer to 30%.
It is also important to note that Rasmussen, a polling firm that has a habit of getting results correct, shows independents breaking against the President in most of the battle ground states.
Obama is going to win the Big blue states like CA and NY. It’s going to be alot more competitive in the toss up states. It already looks pretty bleak for him in places like NC and IN where he won in 2008.
Scott,
Boy, are your right about Brooks and Kristol.
Brooks is employed by the Grey Lady for a reason, and it ain’t because he has conservative cred. It’s because he doesn’t offend the progressives who run the Times and he serves their purpose by blunting and obfuscating conservative notions by, supposedly, being a Republican.
Kristol is a different breed of cat, more of your garden variety, straight up, neo con. If you want to measure his credibility consider that he was a big time Arab Springer. He thought that democracy was going to bust out over the middle east like June in “Oklahoma”. What happened instead was entirely predictable for those of us who studied the Bolshevik Revolution or the 1979 revolution in Iran. Mr Kristol needs a bit more time in the library.
“The right still clings to their bibles and guns” (obama), “I thought I saw some swastikas in the crowd at one tea party gathering” (pelosi), “Romney killed my wife” (Obama campaign), “We think he committed a felony” (Reid or some other liberal cretin), “I was told by a reliable source he paid no taxes in the last 10 years” (reid).
That’s just off the top of my head. Mitt Romney: thank you for finally saying something a vast majority of your supporters believe and as pointed out in the blog we are commenting to, it is a demonstrable truth. Obviously there will be exceptions but I would bet a sizable amount of money that a large (+50%) percentage of obama voters fit in that category.
I don’t care what Bill Kristol says, I don’t have a problem demonizing people who pay no income taxes.
F’ the lot of them. Implement a National Sales Tax or what ever. Make them pay something.
No skin in the game is no skin in the game, no matter how meager their lives are.
The author lost his credibility with me when he talked about some sort of conspiracy to drive up energy prices. News flash: thanks to good old American technology, there is now a glut of natural gas on the market. Prices have plummeted, not gone higher.
I know about the drop in price because three energy companies I hold shares in have cut dividends this year. As for oil, we do live in a global economy. But again thanks to American technology, the amount of imported oil is dropping. In 2011, the US became a net exporter of petroleum products for the first time in 40+ years.
Saw an interesting factoid about jobs couple weeks ago. Part of the unemployment comes from the loss of 700,000 state & local government jobs during the past 4 years. So, for those who desire smaller government, like me, ya can’t have it both ways.
C’mon Bryan. You can do a lot better.
Steve,
We may be exporting refined petroleum products, but we are an importer of foriegn crude, which comes primarily from Canada, Mexico and Venezeula. If we exploit our own reserves we have more than enough petroleum to greatly reduce or eliminate reliance on imports.
True, but it is a shame you cannot be as adamant in your demands that it be loudly advertised Obama and the EPA henchmen not only didn’t have a damn thing to do with increase in production of hydrocarbons, but production managed to spike in spite of Obama.
Why don’t you tell us what Obama and Co. think of hydraulic fracking for instance?
About those three dividends cut? Dollars to donuts bet their supporting Romney and not Obama with the only thing that counts but a vote – money. The entire petroleum industry, big oil to you, is overwhelmingly in favor of Mitt Romney.
Would appear to me that it is you that trying to play both sides of the fence without much credibility.
Can we start with the would be President advising that regulations would cause coal companies to close? He went on to advise new coal companies could be created but regulations would necessarily result in their failure.
Then we have the shutting down of drilling in the Gulf causing rigs to leave for other environs. Follow that with restricted leasing on federal (even increasing) lands and for protection of “endangered lizards.”
Of course we now have massive efforts to cut off “fracking.”
All this in favor of major federal and certain states government financial largess for the Solyndras, the Wind people, electric cars et al. All of which are running/will run up huge waste of tax dollars and increased energy costs for everyman.
Ask the impacts that air lines, truck drivers, delivery operations and the people providing in home services are experiencing.
The U.S. needs an energy revolution of viable energies, which this Administration would NEVER sanction.
Bullshirt. That’s an urban legend on the internet. The reality is that refined products are exported in net, not all petroleum.
Huge, ginormous difference.
Get a grip guys (and gals). This is an election, facts have little or nothing to do with anything. Mitt would be better off not saying anything. If he chooses to expound, it should be to simplify his statement; ” Approximately 47% are going to vote for Obama. Nothing I say or do will change that. Approximately 47% are going to vote for me. What I’m working on is that 6% who will decide the election. Arguing over who pays taxes and who doesn’t is an issue I will work out with congress next summer.”
The sad truth is that 6% are ‘feeling’ voters. The voters who find logical, rational appeals for their votes important have already decided. We have elections because your logic might not be my logic.That is why the trend lines are so turgid and polls so flat. The fate of the human race will be decided by Honey Bo-Bo’s. Makes showering at Penn State seem like a good idea.
If I were Romney I’d point out the plain, unvarnished truth that among that 47% who pay no taxes and feel entitled to have taxpayers subsidize them all their life, are Jeff Immelt, the millionaire CEO of GE, who has taken billions from the bailout & who Obama has given billions in taxpayer dollars to outsource 360,000 US jobs to China, and then a billion more to outsource more US jobs to Vietnam, Obama’s given Bill Gates money to outsource US jobs to Sri Lanka, Warren Buffett is the #1 recipient of Obama stimulus dollars and George Soros is #2 there are lots of affluent welfare queens for Obama, read about more of them here http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/naming-names-obama-contributors-and-the-stimulus-scandal379/
I believe Romney should be reminding struggling, suffering poor to middle class US citizens in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, all across the country that Obama will slowly bleed everything they have from them, rob their children of their futures. That Obama is the outsourcer in chief, that Obama is not in their corner and has no intention of standing up for America, that Obama is NOT in their corner. That Romney considers every US citizen as burdened by tax and spend Obama, not just the rich. That we all have a stake in a strong, healthy, vital US economy.
“That Romney considers every US citizen as burdened by tax and spend Obama, not just the rich. That we all have a stake in a strong, healthy, vital US economy.”
Problem is, that’s not what he said. That’s what you said. Maybe you should replace his campaign manager because what you said, even though I don’t agree, makes more sense as a political argument.
What Romney said was that about have the country are moochers and as such his job isn’t to “worry about those people.”
You guys are busy spinning what he said. I’m just reacting to what he said. If he meant something different he could have said it. Watch the tape.
This is a statistic that has been out for a couple of years but seldom seen outside the conservative blogosphere. By playing “gotcha” with Romney, the media let the cat out of the bag to millions who have never heard this before. I know many of my friends hadn’t, and thought I was making it up. I think most tax payers assume most everyone else is pitching in too. To find out half your neighbors don’t pay income tax will be an eye opener.
Oh, I definitely think this will help Romney with the voters in the middle.
“Oh, I definitely think this will help Romney with the voters in the middle.”
Not when they find out that they might very well be one of the moochers Romney is referring to in that 47% figure.
Judging from a lot of the comments here, it appears you may be right.
This issue must really hit “home”. What, cutbacks on the cesspool coming if Mr. President come up porkless?
C. Blunder’s all over this one, like flies on a pile of used Persons Galore.
Need a list “you people” C. Blunder?
Nice to see you sit and take like a rodeo clown without a barrel. Can’t do a thing.
How about an LOL from the poor thing of many feces?
Behavior mods do work. Check your mirror. How you’ve had hold back soooo much just to be allowed. The frustration is sooooo evident! Come on, break it out, set it free, you need that more than your oh so right on Romney Rap. On the count of 4, go Kyber!
Clang! Bull’s Eye.
“Not when they find out that they might very well be one of the moochers Romney is referring to in that 47% figure.”
How will someone who is not voting for Obama because they have an entitlemnet mentality find out that they do? As I said, people will clearly hear Romney talking about Obama voters who vote for him no matter what because they have a certain mentality. Nobody who doesn’t already have that mentality is going to put themselves in that camp just because the Democrats order them to as part of the 47% who don’t pay income taxes. They know who he’s talking about and tossing out percentages doesn’t really matter.
I just heard a guy from Politico on C-Span saying Romney’s comments are starting to “drift away” from the media’s eye for EXACTLY the reason I just cited, CW. People who don’t consider themselves moochers are not offended by Romney’s comments even if they are not paying income taxes, becuas ethey knwo who he was referring to. QED
Seriously!
Nothing pi$$es the average person off more than living by the rules only to find out the next guy didn’t and still got ahead.
Probably goes back to our formative childhoods and the kid who always wanted to either cheat or change the rules of the game to suit them….
In a related note,
Can you say “mortgage bailout”. Sure. I knew you could.
Not too many people in favor of buying their neighbors mortgage, when they were scrimping and doing without to pay their own. It’s the same principle. It’s frustrating when you make wise financial decisions and do without while someone else makes poor financial decisions and gets subsidized.
I stand by my assertion that this will work against the Democrats. I predict this (the 47% comment) will fall off the media talking points list by the end of the week. His Palestinian comments will probably remain a topic longer however.
Mitt Romney: double down! This is a deciding issue of more government/spending/debt, and freedom. Do the people want to be free from the responsibilities of working for a living, free from their fears of insecurity, totally unionized, and free from independent decisions, or do they need a new lesson on the values of libery? That would be Hayek versus Keysian economics.
Is central planning or citizen free participation more important. Do they want all of the comforts and security of socialism slavery? Double down Mitt!
We can all play the imperial thumbs up/down game with these snotty media gladiators.
Re those names in the first two paragraphs, self-annointed and narcissitic for the most part:
• Jonah Goldberg is by far the most interesting, perhaps because he’s better grounded (despite or because of his mother?). He’s a kind of Mark Steyn-light, which is no bad thing at all, despite self-interested establishment tendencies. He’s also smart.
• The rest: Those who helped create the problems we face are now to be worshipped as part of the solution? Dream on. Toss ‘em on the pile with Noonan and Krauthammer and the wannabees (Parker, Rubin, clones and drones and what the Irish sometimes call ‘kneepad artists’). Their day is just about done.
Online Town Hall Wednesday with Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party presidential Nominee Wednesday, Sept 19, 2012 4:30 PM PDT/ 5:30 PM MDT/ 6:30 PM CDT/ 7:30 PM EDT
http://www.vokle.com/
The day the Republican Party cowers when one of its own speaks complete and honest truth, is the day I no longer care to be part of the party.
There’s not a damn thing Romney said that was inaccurate or wrong, and frankly I find it refreshing that a candidate quits worrying about polling or being mealy-mouthed and acts on principle.
Every voting citizen in America should be required to have skin in the game – even it doesn’t amount to more than a hundred bucks a year.
Almost none of the “facts” you list are facts. Most of them are opinions…the rest are fantasies or lies.
Here are some “facts” you need to paddle: those who don’t vote for The Wohn are wacists who hate blacks.
They also are “flat Earth society” members for denying The Wohn’s absolute and indisputable superior wisdom.
And yes, The Wohn’s uncle did liberate Auschwitz.
See? Facts.
Fact: This article is complete conjecture and contains absolutely no facts. Where did Republicans get this ridiculous idea that by simply writing “Fact:” before a statement automatically makes it a fact?
How to handle it?
“It’s a fact.”
End discussion.
I recall a recent poll that said 67 percent of Democrats believe we need bigger government. Now those are the people that Romney should not bother courting. They are lost. However, it does leave open the possibility that a third of Democrats understand that we need to reduce the size of government.
When we talk about the percentage of people that receives help from the government, we must keep in mind that people move in and out of this category. We must not believe in a class system like the Occupy people believe. It is possible for a wealthy person to lose everything, just as it is possible to start with nothing and to build success. Paul Ryan is my hero on this point.
I hope Romney can keep the argument focused on the size of government, and not count anyone out of the American Dream. I know too many people, myself included, who started life in poverty, but are now in the middle class. I have seen the harm that is caused by indifferent bureaucrats.
The problem is the massive bureaucracies that crush the human spirit and the people who would grow them even larger.
Everything Romney said in that video was absolutely true.
Now we know the “mainstream media” will crucify him no matter what he says or does – even when he speaks the simple truth.
Rubbish, all of them. (the media & the Left).
Time to take out the trash. . . .
The only real problem I have with Romney’s statement is the 47% number. Yes, there are people that feel they deserve the entitlements. Yes, there is a large percentage of people who pay zero income tax. Yes, there are people who will vote for BHO regardless of what Romney says.
Not everyone who accepts government handouts think they are entitled, but instead are truly grateful and will get off of them as soon as possible. Many of the people who pay no income tax aspire to success and will eventually become taxpayers. I suspect that many in these two groups would be willing to vote for Romney.
Romney had better hope that 47% of the poor will automatically vote for BHO. If you add the elite liberals to Obama’s camp, you will be well over the 50% needed to win the election and Romney has no chance.
I hope that Mr. Romney has enough brains to not fret over this latest thing. Just like liberals desire to make hay out of his tax returns, he should ignore any criticism that does not challenge him on the facts, or equity in his statement. If it cannot be said why what he said is factually untrue, or wrong in a moral syllogism then it is moot. (For example, the smartest liberal may come up with “love thy neighbor”, but it is not showing that Romney is not loving his neighbor – the Bible also says, “if you don’t work, you don’t eat”. Telling people the truth about their destructive behavior IS loving them. And of course, the correct context, the one Romney employed, is that people who can work should work, or seek it; contrary to the Obama plan.)
When liberals start frothing about sensitivity, emotions,and political correctness there is no right counter argument, because they are dealing in abstracts, and relative thinking – they will surely twist anything that follows to suit their aims. Obama is on the record saying far more egregious things and they are ALL ignored or spun by the media as benign. Reality will reciprocate their hypocrisy and render them ineffectual. Romney should just ignore them and drive on with his message. He seems to have a sense for how to win this, in my opinion.
Permit to digress a bit, though the article is quite valid, and I agree with it.
All informed people know that the media is highly biased. This is NOT serving the country. It is a reality however, and for the foreseeable future, something we must all live with. They refuse to call Obama out on the many issues of incompetence his administration has oozed forth for almost 4 years.
Taking that into consideration, and regardless of YOUR ideology, stated below is why we need a Republican President in the White House.
A Republican president is not able to get away with much. Any slip up will be shown nationally and castigated by the press. What do we end up with?
A more honest government. Something that benefits EVERYONE. At least you will know what they are up to.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled broadcast, thank you.
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.
And, I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49 [percent], he starts with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years.
And so my job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the five to 10 percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon, in some cases, emotion, whether they like the guy or not . . .
OBAMA’S GONNA PAY FOR MY GAS… … worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if I help him, he’s gonna …
Too bad most of the people commenting here won’t read it or watch the tape to hear what he said.
The money shot: ” Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”
It goes without question that many of the people Romney is talking about here are our seniors who pay no income tax because they are now retired (about half of the 47%), indeed many of the posters on this board who are intending to vote for him. They are moochers by this rubric. Wear the badge with honor!
With all those money in tax exemptions received by Media Matters and this pathetic spin is all you can do?
BWAHAHA!!
One for Adi. CW…still looking up at the now fading The Won poster on the wall in his mom’s basement.
Notice how CW and the MSM jumped on this as if it equaled what is going on in the ME… The fools in the MSM and tools like CW are simply clueless and brain addled. But hey it’s fun to see how the mind-numbed actually attempt to communicate.
If I see one more article entitled “How Mitt should….” I think I will throw up. Heckling from the cheap seats is easy. If you pundits think you have all the answers why not get in the arena yourself and show us all how it is done? Commenting on what others are doing is about as useful as crap on the sidewalk. The fact is Bryan Preston couldn’t get anyone to donate 25 cents to his campaign, but he claims to know what Mitt Romney should do.
Thanks. You saved me the time.
Just a quick note regarding Cynical Wonder’s repeated accusations that Romney was referring to Social Security recipients in his speech, here is a transcript of the relevant statements from the speech:
“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…
“Our message of low taxes doesn’t connect…so my job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the five to 10 percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful….”
So, when you actually look at what Romney actually said, as opposed to what Cynical Wonder disingenuously claims he said, it is clear that Romney was NOT referring to 47% of the population – he was referring to 47% of the voters in November who are voting for Obammer no matter what.
In that, Romney is absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation.
Still, I fully expect Cynical Wonder to continue to pedal his particular brand of snake oil….
This is just fund-raising hyperbole and doesn’t mean squat. Romney should start to call the media out on this kind of stuff rather than trying to defend himself. He needed to turn it right back on the media: “Even the Obamamedia cannot truthfully deny that the Obama campaign is about class warfare, envy and promoting dependence. And certainly, the 47% supporting him favor that kind of society whether they are current beneficiaries or not. In fact a gallup poll recently found that 67% of Democrats don’t think the government is doing enough for us!”
– Moochers and freeloaders.
– now admits the tape is missing two minutes. If restored, maybe the trolls will find those perjorative terms they keeping repeating in there.
I like where he said, “But they’re not voting for me, anyway.”
Smart boy, that Mitt.
You need white families who work. There are still enough, for now. The key is to make US love you, not the leeches, not the press scum. Just try not to piss us off. We’ll be there.
“Forward.” Isn’t that what the lemmings say as they go over the cliff?
Many of the elderly and working poor caught in the dependency machine are aware of how it works. The more government takes to “give”, the more the costs grow for what is given, and the less grow jobs, wages, and savings. They are in the trap, and their vote is split; not over who can help most, but who will make it worse faster.
The 47%r’s must take a hard look at themselves; they are on their knees, hat in hand, before petty bureaucrats begging for their substance. Mitt is telling them America is the land of opportunity; millions have come here poor and attained the American dream through hard work. (Hard work IS hard!).
Existing on welfare is a degrading, humiliating, discouraging and disappointing process; no one ever advanced him or her self collecting “benefits”.
Americans on the dole have the choice of remaining on their knees while their social status deflates, or standing on their feet and advancing.
The choice is theirs to succeed or fail.
The Democrats set out under FDR to get as many people receiving some kind of little freebee from the government every month, they knew once received, beneficiaries would do almost ANYTHING to keep it coming.
Wake up America!
Look all Romney has to do is pull someone out of his audience up on stage and say hand me your wallet. When they do he takes 70% of what is in their out and tries to hand it over to the audience and when making that gesture he says this is what Obama is going to do if I do not win…
This only proves what I have been saying for years about the Republican elites. They are really Democrats who have infiltrated the Republican party to destroy it. Those who describe themselves as “moderate Republicans are actually slightly conservative Democrats. NO. They are no where near as conservative as the Democrats who supported Reagan. Those Republicans who call themselves “mainstream” are really very liberal Republicans. Those Republicans viewed as “hard-line, right-wing Republicans are barely the equivalent of the Republican party of the 1950′s which was extremely liberal for their time. God, how we have regressed!