August 16, 2012 - 2:22 pm
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On today’s The Cycle on MSNBC, panelist Toure made up a new word to try to paint Mitt Romney as a racist.
Co-host Touré saw what he believes to be explicit racial connotations beneath what Romney was saying, calling it the “niggerization” of the campaign.
“That really bothered me,” he said. “You notice he said anger twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama, the ‘otherization,’ he’s not like us.”
“I know it’s a heavy thing, I don’t say it lightly, but this is ‘niggerization,’” Touré said to the apparent shock of his co-panelists. “You are not one of us, you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.”
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Toure is a media lawn jockey.
Zing!
Caint walk holding the groceries cause he gots to keep he paints from fallin below his mout.
It is so nice to see all of these Tolerant Liberal Progressive people operating in the light of day.
We have Big Time Joe speaking in Uncle Tom fashion to his peeps in Virginia and warning them that the Repubs, who, BTW are the ones who have in every instance throughout history supported and fought to get the freedoms for the black population that they now enjoy, are going to put them back in chains. Maybe Joe doesn’t read any history or maybe he just doesn’t understand the English language. Maybe he has more in common with Obama than just politics.
What a complete joke.
http://uselections2012blog.blogspot.ca/
this guy needs to go back to vh-1 classic to pontificate the 100 best one hit wonders
Ta-ra-ra-boom-de-ay
Just listen to Toure
He’ll get up in your face
Connect it all to race
Don’t disagree with him
If you lack melanin
He’ll dismiss you and bray;
Ta-ra-ra-boom-de-ay!
That’s pretty good – thanks for the laugh and smile!
– really disgusting. The one thing we hoped would come from the election of Obama was that word would never be used again, not even in rap, out of pride.
Mr. Ailes, where are you?!
Is there anything that isn’t “racial coding”? You know what I think is racist? The idea that people can’t disagree with Obama on policy without having some deep dark motive. The idea that every word that comes out of my mouth really means something else.
Through his carelessness Touré has diluted the power out of the word “racist”. In doing so he not only sullies himself but those who have actually experienced real racism. What a very small man.
Ooh, naughty, naughty racist Carol! You said “dark”!
Bloody hell. Honk if you’re sick of the race card. If you’re not in a car, use your nose.
HONK! HONK-HONK!
Alert! It is redefinition time once again.
When the Human Rights Campaign and the SPLC say “hate group” their definition is of the term “hate group” is “group that disagrees with us in any way”.
This has been an educational public service message. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
In other news. Merriam-Webster is working round-the-clock in order to add, “Code-word for n*gger” after every entry in their universally used English dictionary.
Damn, I wish my ancestors had picked their own cotton!
I grew up in the Jim Crow rural South; white supremacy was in the air I breathed and the water I drank from the “White Only” water fountain. Fear of the “angry black man” is a white urban liberal construct; we who were brought up immersed in what we now call racism were never afraid of them, no matter how angry they were. We didn’t like their affinity for our women, and the rich black athletes’ affinity for skanky blondes pretty much bears out what we thought. But the solution was simple; if they raped a white woman we killed them, if a white woman consorted with them, we ostracized her. They like to pretend that the old saw about how “if you go black you won’t go back” had something to do with sexual prowness, but whether that prowness was real or not, that woman couldn’t go back because no white man would knowingly have her. I wasn’t brought up to fear them, I was barely even brought up to consider them; at most they were a commodity we had to purchase from time to time because we needed the labor, and if they misbehaved we imprisoned or killed them. I grew to adulthood without ever having a substantive conversation with a black person even though I grew up surrounded by them. I grew up to maintain a command presence around blacks, a skill that still works remarkably well even today and far away in space and time from Southern segregation. That’s what real racism looks like. The pampered affirmative action black and the Yankee liberal have no effin’ idea what the Jim Crow South and real racism looked or felt like; what a bunch of pretenders.
Best comment I have read all week.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I was born and raised in the southeast. Every time I hear some Obama apologist or other using the phrase “racial code” or “dog whistle” or whatever other blather, I just giggle.
Here’s a news flash for these folks: real, dyed-in-the-wool racists don’t use code words. They don’t assume that folks listening are all equipped with a Magic Racist Word Decoder Ring. They want there to be no chance whatsoever that anyone would misunderstand their racist slurs. If they want to call someone a n*****, that’s what they’ll say.
I grew up in the Midwest where I had never heard of white supremacy. There was no segregation that I remember. My father was a basketball coach who recruited some of the first “black” athletes to our state, some of them lived with us until a policy could be passed for them to live in the dorms. I never learned fear of the “angry black man”; they were who they were, determined by how they were brought, just like me. I never saw any difference in who they dated, what pursuits they desired or how successful they were. The solution was simple; they pursued “life, liberty” the same as everyone else. I would hear the players tout, “if you go black you won’t go back”, but never really saw that to be true. I wasn’t brought up to fear them; I was brought up to consider them equal. I grew to adulthood without ever having a racially motivated altercation with a black person even though I grew up surrounded by them. I grew up to be myself around blacks, neither to be feared or in fear, a skill that still works remarkably well even today and far away in space and time from Midwestern Anti-segregationist. Racism today is portrayed in the Media for the benefit of one party. The pampered Intellectual Elite and Political Ruling Class have no friggin’ idea what the Jim Crow South and real racism looked or felt like. They are a bunch of pretenders to knowing and understanding and will drive us all to European Socialism.
Self Reliance is the only way!
This is one of the most stunningly awful comments I’ve ever read on a conservative site.
Do you realize, Art, that you sound like you’re nostalgic for an era when a whole class of Americans were denied their rights? That you sound like you long for the days when blacks accused of crimes could be dealt with without having to worry about silly little details like, you know, due process? You talk about people like they’re animals, that bit about a “command presence” sounds like the lamest kind of false bravado and I don’t even want to think through the implications of how much you dwell on who’s having sex with whom.
You basically sound like a racist sociopath. Do us a favor, don’t be on our side.
You sound like an idiot. Everybody else got it; it was a description of what actual racism looked like. It wasn’t a world of dog whistles and feigned offense by people who’ve never seen actual racism or segregation. Unfortunately, there are all too many people as obviously stupid as you on our side.
Art gave a little history lesson, and I’m grateful to him for having done so.
You may now put your head back in the sand.
Yes indeed~! Art has mirrored exactly my childhood experience with black people in the 1940-1950′s of eastern TX. They existed in a somewhat parallel universe and we ignored them mostly.
I do in fact vividly recall seeing two black men hanged from an oak tree for the crime of raping a young white woman. S’way it was…
I grew up in a slightly different time. My rural Kentucky school had no students of color because our KKK ran ‘em out; in one case, they burned down the trailer of an African immigrant family to get them to go away (this was in the late 1970s). I remember when a black representative of the school board came to visit our school; you’d have thought every student there was seeing an elephant walking down the hallway, the way they stared.
It was stupid; thought it then, think it now. I’m very glad those times are gone, even though in some cases they’ve been replaced by worse things. I’ve seen racism too, in my school and in my own family; I truly resent being called one just because I believe in real economic equality of opportunity.
Art, I grew up in the Midwest in the 1950s and 1960s. I remember what real racism looked and felt like too. It’s amazing today when I recall how people talked. Then came the second half of the 1960s and 1970s. A sea change. Yes, it took a while, but almost everyone I know, parents, friends, etc., immediately or gradually recognized how those views and that behavior conflicted with our more deeply held beliefs, in the founding principles of our country and what our canonical religious texts taught. The idea that that change did not take place, that whites didn’t really change is profoundly disrespectful and ungrateful. I don’t know of another example in human history of such a generous and heartfelt admission of fault and desire to repent and repair on the part of millions of individuals. What happened next is best described in Shelby Steele’s “White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era.”
“I don’t know of another example in human history of such a generous and heartfelt admission of fault and desire to repent and repair on the part of millions of individuals.”
Hub,
I’ve never heard it summed up better. Bravo!
It’s The reason prez no hope’n change squats in the WH today.
Honest to God, these people are stuck in the sixties (is that a surprise, Mr. Simon?). Is “racism” all they know and see? I keep recalling the image of Nanny Pelosi walking with that ridiculously large gavel and arm-in-arm with some of her black cohorts toward the House for the official signing of Obamacare. And I’m thinking WTF is this? The country is in a heated debate about the cost and government control of our healthcare, and she thinks this is all about racism?
I’d like to see that same scenario shown in an ad — only have flower-power Pelosi walking past briefcase-carrying black businessmen who look at her as if she’s crazy (as IF?).
This is not about race (only to them). It’s about the power of the individual and the free-enterprise system — and how it’s being destroyed by Big Government intrusion and debt. You’ve cried “wolf” too many times, Lefties. You’ve become a dated joke.
I hope somebody is keeping a list of all the doubleplusungood words we’re no longer allowed to use. I guess I’ll have to purge “angry” from my vocabulary along with “burly,” since I now know it’s a secret racist code-word for black men. Of course, I can’t say “mad” either, since that’s a secret psychonormative code word for “bug-f***ing insane” and I wouldn’t want to upset that constituency either.
Maybe I just won’t say anything.
That’s EXACTLY what they want: for you to say nothing so that they are the only ones speaking. That way no one ever hears a dissenting view, just the politically correct one. Then they win the debate.
Don’t let them silence you.
True. The trouble with statements like this is that there’s nothing the subject can do to prove they’re false. Toure offers no evidence that Romney himself is actually a racist. Instead, he employs some sort of pseudo-psychological postmodern race-theory nonsense that sounds plausible to “smart” people. Same as gay theorists and their “smart” audience throw around accusations of crypto-homophobia and closeted gayness. They seem to have science on their side, while all the victim can do is deny the charges.
I think we need to split apart as a nation. Why should we stay together? Mr. Toure does not respect us, and I do not respect him. Why continue this unhappy union?
After a partition, I think we should try for a deeper alliance with Taiwan, Israel, Poland, and the Czech Republic (to name a few) Together we can probably establish an industrial base large enough and sophisticated enough to ensure outside forces do not intervene–a threat for each of the nations named.
Now THAT’S a good idea.
We’ll take the oil, gas, coal and associated AGW states and they can take the feel good government provides all needs states.
Oh and we’ll keep the evil guns.
Back in the early 80′s I worked with some people in Calgary that thought the U.S. and Canada should be split along the Mississippi. That would leave the mineral resources in the New Western nation and the bureaucrats in D.C. and Ottawa in the New Eastern nation. The argument was the both countries suffer from people in the East telling people in the West how to manage our resources.
I have casually suggested, when lubricated with a few beers, that Canada and the USA could be rearranged thus:
- BC, WA, OR and CA form the West Coast nation of Bonghitia.
- ON and MB join the entire Ohio River Valley, to form New Rust Belt Republic.
- SK and AB join the states forming a triangle down to the TX and LA Gulf Coasts to form Pipelineistan.
- Finally, AK joins Yukon and NWT to become a leading global minerals powerhouse.
In the midst of all this quilt restitching Quebec finally achieves its oft-stated ambition of independence. And finds it doesn’t like it!
Quebec, will become New France, because, Québécois are the true French.
Instead of beer lubrication, you can read “The Nine Nations of North America” by Joel Garreau. Interestingly, the two worst “nations” from a conservative point of view are Ecotopia, Southestern Alaska down to the middle of California west of the mountains, and New England, all of present-day New England north of Manhatten and the NY suburbs in CT up through the Canadian Maritime Provinces. These “nations” are very wealthy and very leftist but live entirely off the work and resources of others, i.e., the rest of North America.
You see it most starkly in today’s “Ecotopia.” The people of the Left Coast west of the mountains have in the main a stunningly affluent lifestyle. When I was in Alaska’s government we used to joke that you could develop any resource as long as the yuppies couldn’t see it. Downtown Juneau, Berzerkley North, once had as its backdrop the largest and richest gold mine in the world. For those of you who’ve seen the CoC pictures of the Juneau Harbor full of cruise ships, that mountain behind the harbor has over 700 miles of tunnels in it and the mountainside was once covered with a mill and other mine support structures and a railroad that ran all the way around the mountain, and there wasn’t a tree within 20 miles because they’d all been cut for mine timbers. Today, the greenies prattle on about the old growth timber; pictures of Juneau in the ’40s make it clear how “old” the timber is.
The mine was closed in ’44 when it lost its labor allotment because gold was no longer considered a strategic metal. It wasn’t economic to reopen after the war because of the fixed $35/oz. price of gold. By the time the US went off the “gold standard” in the Nixon years, the Green movement was in full cry and since you could see the mine, Greenie opposition has kept it closed.
In one of the more clever moves I’ve seen in the world of resource development, there was a push to re-open the Alaska – Juneau Mine in the ’90s and at the same time a push to open a new mine 45 miles north of Juneau beyond the road system. Every Greenie in the World converged on Juneau to try to stop the re-opening of the A-J and they ultimately succeeded. But while they were focussed on the A-J, Couer got all their permits for the mine north of town. When the Greenies realized that the A-J opening was a feint, they reacted in horror to the permitting of the Kensington and tied it up in court for ten years but ultimately failed to stop the Kensington development. It sits happily and almost invisibly employing hundreds of people and producing a lot of very expensive gold these days – all because you can’t see it.
I don’t care what he said. Can’t you see that he is one cool black dude who is really cool and hip and has ONE cool name. How cool is that? It even ends in ayyyy like maybe it’s French or something. In any case it’s way cool. Cool!
What only blacks get MAD you freaking mutt. These clowns on msnbc all hate AMERICA..
Toure is an interesting case. He obviously is doing everything in his power be as offensive as possible, without even a hint of humor or a passing glance at another side to the things he rants about, and not just a snorting kind of offenses either. He really wants people to hate him. It’s well beyond the comically evil reverends, who are primarily motivated by monetary interest in their race-baiting and don’t even bother to be logical or internally consistent in their rantings. Toure is more like a foaming Elija Mohamed or his crazy lieutenants who come across as desperate Himmler imitators whenever they get a few minutes on TV.
Toure seems to be fueled by genuine hatred rather than the far more common lusts for money and power. This guy is pathological.
I’m guessing he sees himself as some kind of a messiah figure and probably has a really strong desire to be a martyr. He wishes he was Trayvon Martin, and is going to find a way to get his wish come hell or high water.
It’s also interesting whey MSNBC would give him air time. I know they are beyond the pale on every topic but even their regular cartoon characters don’t come close to the raving insanity of this guy. He’s in a league of his own.
‘Scuse me, Mr Toure’. I don’t dislike you because your black, no. I dislike you because you’re an a**hole.
Just wanted to be clear on that.
Yes, but… in the right hands, Toure and niggerization are gifts that will keep on giving. The niggerization of America is one succinct way of describing decades of preening and destruction by PC poobahs.
Personally, I like the phrase ‘the niggerization of guilt’. I’d be happy to hear Sowell and West and a boatload of other conservative black Americans start to use it. Very tired of ‘morally pure outrage’(my ass) of the kind visible on, say, aisle 4 above. Way past time to take out the race-baiting biz.
I wish he were Travon Martin too.
I told you Leftism is a mental illness, and now also appears to cause blindness. I think Toure has mistaken Joe Biden for Mitt Romney. Mr. Toure needs to take a closer: Joe has got silver hair but Mitt has got, for the most part black hair except for some greying around the edges. Mr. Toure, it was the guy with the silver hair who said that blacks would once again be chained, and included among them is the President. Who is contributing to the ‘Ni**erization’ of O?
I find Touré’s remarks absurd. With very few exceptions white people simply cannot utter the N-bomb today. It is filled with such a history of awful violence that we eschew it as much as humanly possible. OTOH, the urban gangsta-mofo set within the black community has no compunction about using the word with wild abandon as a term of brotherhood and endearment. And this is not a stereotype or a caricature but an explicit theme broadcast daily from the hip-hop scene and regularly seen by pretty much everyone. They own that word today along with all of its historical baggage!
If Touré is worried about N—ization he should look in a mirror!
Should be a firing offense. Zero tolerance.
Toure who?
Toure is trying to Mau Mau Romney. All you white-mofos are expected to tremble in fear at authentic black anger.
If I didn’t know that was real, I’d say “What is this, Chris Roc?” (Really, it seems like that… check out his “How Not to Get You A** Whupped by the Police”.)
My friends, Tourè is not mental case and he doesn’t say things like this because he is liberal. He goes the racial path because he is a mediocrity and he would never get airtime without the racial angle.
He never finished school and seems only capable of writing about pop culture and race matter.
He’s just plain mediocre. It’s really quite that simple in my estimation.
The trouble with liberal media is that they elevate so many people to new levels of less-than-average.
Indeed, this ass-hat needs a ladder to climb up to mediocre.
It’s like Bernstein’s Radical chic updated to meet Anna Wintour’s fashion dictates of the day.
Without the obnoxious crutch of quotas, both he and his president would be starring in “Bait Car”, selling crack on the street , or running a three card monte game,(also known as Obamanomics).
It the debates in 2008, McCain used the term “that one” when referring to Obama. The next day, the media was all over him, saying that term was a derogatory reference to a black man. Get ready for the liberals to turn every word Romney says critical of Obama into a racial epithet. We’ve already heard how using “cool” to describe Obama is racist. Next we will hear that calling Obama “fiscally irresponsible” is a racial slur. Anything Romney or Ryan say about Obama will be painted as “n*****izing” Obama. The real question for the future of this country is: how many guilty white people will feel that if they vote against Obama, they are unrepentant racists? Or that to prove they are not racist, they must vote for Obama?
“The real question for the future of this country is: how many guilty white people will feel that if they vote against Obama, they are unrepentant racists? Or that to prove they are not racist, they must vote for Obama?”
The best response to that is something I’ve seen attributed to various sources so I don’t know who really deserves the credit but it’s very simple – and sensible:
“If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you’re not a racist, vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot.”
Never heard of the guy. Does he think he’s a Brazilian soccer player or is this a Malcolm X kind of thing?
Calm down, folks. You’re letting the nuts get to you. They’re poking you to get attention. Distraction! They’re coming to take them away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lJZiqZaGA
Be kind.
Go to youtube and look at 10 years of Tavis Smiley’s State of the Black Union Conference and you’ll find the unanimity of belief in these urban myths astounding. Probably everyone of note on the black Left attended that conference at some point over 10 years.
These beliefs also have amazing currency among the black American community. Every time a black celebrity opens their mouths about politics race is at the forefront and the shared belief system not far behind. The Dem Party completely indulges the weird paranoia of the black Left and so it’s no surprise ACORN analogues can walk down a street, look a a person’s skin and have a 96% chance they’re signing up an Obama voter.
Can racist whites do that? No. It’s more or less break-even. This last fact tells you all you need to know about the state of racism in America and where it emanates from.
Toure isn’t doing anything new. He’s a misanthropist and all that good stuff; picking and choosing what he believes, mixing it all up to suit his tastes and then la
Toure isn’t doing anything new. He’s a misanthropist and all that good stuff; picking and choosing what he believes, mixing it all up to suit his tastes and then lashing out with hatred at anyone that doesn’t agree with his peculiar ideology. Third Reich members like Himmler and even the Fuhrer did exactly the same thing. This is what leftists do … Biden anyone? Biden isn’t too old, he isn’t crazy; he’s just a perfectly normal leftist misanthropist.
Toure Neblett.. the dude’s nothing but a racialist, written off by his own Illiberal company ALL the TIME.
CNN, MSNBC, Rolling Stone etc., know this dude’s shtick. Even when MSNBC is peeling viewership #’s because of idiots like Neblett, he STILL draws a check. Much like the tunnel visioned Obama supporter.
Even when provided numerous FACTS of our nation’s anemic private sector jobs 3 + years ‘post-recession’ and the ever-growing people on federal ‘entitlements’..
Neblett’s no different than ex-POLITICO, though still on the payroll-’contributor’ Joe Williams.
Williams is another of infinite-like intellectually void racists who truly don’t provide enlightening, well thought-out talking points.
Only nonsensical vitriol, emotionally-based idiocy which is moot, futile to respond to. You know, like Neblett’s ENTIRE being!
First of all, Toure is a liar, a complete jackass and a race-baiter.
However, I don’t think you can say “niggerization” is not a word. “x-ize” and “x-ization” are standard ways of constructing words involving turning something into an x.
And you definitely can’t say Toure made it up because it has been used before.
Famously, that magnificent font of wisdom and learning (sarcasm), Cornel West, said “America has been niggerized” after 9/11.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2001/10/11/west-shifts-hip-hop-talks-focus/
And west wrote an article that appeared in the Atlantic in 2007 with the title “Niggerization”. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/11/niggerization/306285/
The “Ni@@erization” of Obama by Romney? That one-percenter, planet Kolob alien-worshipping, severely racist, doof is so far-removed from the 99.999% of the rest of Americans that this is all he’s got. Mittens the magic unicorn here has no choice but to try painting Obama in porch monkey cliche stereotypical slander to desperately make people forget that even if Obama was a tree they’d have more in common with him than freaking Willard the Magic Underwear Mitten.
What’s even more surprising is that no one has addressed the point that Toure was making. So what of Romney’s behavior? How does he explain calling anyone out of his league, “You people”? This man and those who follow him are nothing like Ronald Reagan, who would be ashamed to see his party stoop to classless behavior, hatred, and mean-spiritedness. Unfortunately, even the fairly well-off ones of us are not in Romney’s financial bracket. The very people supporting the party now have not yet realized that they are bearing the weight of an ass who grins toward the sky as they labor underneath him. Goya was absolutely correct.
‘..point that Toure was making’ – Hahaha
Good one, Anonymous.
There was NO point to his nonsense, Anon. Toure Neblett jumps the shark every instance when given face time.
The nation’s been inundated by our, ‘Great Uniter’ with such diddies though not limited to, ‘..typical White person..’, ‘African-American’s for Barack Obama’ websites, web messages from the CiC/ WH no less, ‘..if I had a son..’, ‘..acted stupidly’ and other ‘words of wisdom’ of our Grifrt-in-Chief can be archived if so inclined.
Before I go further, I would like to say to things. First, I am not trying to troll here. I am genuinely trying to understand the conservatove mindset. Second, I am typing this on my iPhone, so please forgive the typos and lack of literary sophistication.
Tours is an idiot. He really needs to learn how to express himself without turning off the people he is trying to convince. His characterization of Romney’s words are a stretch.
With that said the politics of race is not solely a liberal issue. I see racial undertones in much of the conservative propaganda. The difference is that the conservatives who engage in this type of propaganda are usually much more subtle about it. I am a teacher and I was teaching a lesson on poit of view and political satire. I show my seniors the video, “if I wanted America to fail.” one kid said that the video was racist. As facitator of a student centered discussion, I asked the student to explain herself. She pointed out that the video features white faces in the America depicted in the video. The white middle class family, business owners, and unemployed dad sent her a very subtle but clear message. She said that when she is out and about, here experience is one in which there are a large number of people who are suffering, and a disproportionate number of them tend to be people of color, but the video only depicts whites in trouble. She felt the video sends the message to whites that Obama and the liberal agenda is out to get white people. Never mind the fact the current state of the world has affected all of middle class America indiscriminately.
There is a definite us against them feel to the conservative propaganda strategy. By the same token, the same climate exists with in the liberal strategy. As a liberal, I can admit this. In the end it is causing a rift in our nation that I fear is irreparable. I just hope that when we deal with each other as individuals, we are able to see each other as Americans And work together to ensure all Americans are afforded equal and fair opportunities to pursue happiness.
No, you don’t emit troll signals.
Can’t comment on a video that isn’t identified. Your student may be a racist dingbat indoctrinated by racist dingbats. Who knows? Or maybe this is all just a subtle variation on a ridiculous theme: ‘Earth destroyed. Women and minorities hurt most.’ Let’s hope not.
The liberal agenda is deeply anti-American and, since wealth and power in this country are and will long remain overwhelmingly white, anti-white. As and when demographics change — though the process is much slower than leftist heavy-breathers assert, change is good and the shining city on the hill is open to all — liberal targets will change. That’s already happening. You may have noticed the problem white liberals have discussing black conservative middle-class Americans, for example. Middle-class blacks are usually either demonized or ignored; otherwise, look for steam hissing from the white-liberal ear. Only rarely does a liberal try to define middle class — why do you think that is?
Meanwhile, white liberals and black race-baiting bigots are on ice that thins daily — yesterday’s children, now SOL, aging gracelessly as their fiefdoms crumble.
Many will agree, more or less, with your last paragraph. You likely know that more than a few on this site classify themselves loosely as socially moderate /fiscally conservative, their views overall perhaps not so far from where yours are. A massive re-alignment of voters, now under way, will play out over the next decade. Who knows where it leads? IMO the best and most peaceful way forward is a third party, but there are many other possibilities. The odds right now are against a third party and tilted towards violence and gridlock, maybe widespread. The rift may indeed be irreparable.
You sow, you reap — not much new there. But hope is alive and well; it has nothing to do with Obama and very little to do with the usual suspects, the denizens of the major parties, MSM and other troughers.
Why don’t you show some of the “New Black Panther” videos to your students and let them judge if they detect any racism there? People playing the race card so often have completely negated it’s meanings and uses. I guess Tours had to come up with some other “buzz” word to rejuvenate the policies of this administration to further divide this country.
I did and they were appalled. Perhaps you should have asked if I showed them instead of assuming I had not. I may be a flaming liberal, but I am fair.
You want to understand the Conservative/Libertarian mindset? Ok. Step one is this: try listening to what we say and stop trying to “decode” it. We’re not speaking in code, we’re speaking in clear English and we actually mean what we say.
Let me give you an example. When I say that I think Obama has been a terrible President with injurious policies who engages in the worst kind of Chicago cronyism what I really, truly mean to say is that Obama has been a terrible President with injurious policies who engages in the worst kind of Chicago cronyism. If any President of any combination of race, gender, orientation and religion pursued the policies Obama has I’d say the exact same thing.
If Conservatives were so racist then we wouldn’t have such admiration for Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Allen West, Herman Cain, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio or any of a dozen other stars that aren’t white males. How you can all fail to understand that completely baffles me.
The problem with Liberals and race is twofold. First you’ve long since stopped looking at people as individuals, you only see them as interest groups. Because you’re thoroughly incapable of looking beyond race and gender you just assume everyone else is the same way. Secondly you’ve convinced yourselves that Conservatives aren’t simply wrongheaded, we’re evil. You then add the two erroneous assumptions together into this equation:
dwells on race + evil intent = racist
Then, having concluded beforehand that we’re racist you parse every word we say and brutally torture logic until you can arrive at an interpretation that fits your foregone conclusion. The only problem is that all your assumptions are wrong.
And you know what really saddens me? Based on your story it sounds like you’re using your role as a teacher to hand down this insisious way of thinking to another generation.
I’m actually using my role as teacher to give my student the chance to think. My seniors came up with their own ideas. I in no way influenced what my students discussed. I listened and asked questions. At no time did I say conservatives as a whole of being racist. I simply related what one of my students said and then stated that I thought that both political parties have played on race to gain support. If you think Obama’s policies are leading to the ruin of this country, so be it. There is nothing intinsinctly racist about you stance.
Social Liberal,
Thanks for engaging in this discussion, and for your service as a teacher.
In your original post you wrote “The difference is that the conservatives who engage in this type of propaganda are usually much more subtle about it.” You are on to something here, and I urge you to wrestle with this observation very thoroughly. What if, just for the sake of consideration, the “subtlety” is not racism?
Second, I want to gently take you to task on a comment you made just above this. “I in no way influenced what my students discussed. I listened and asked questions.” The ancient Greek practice of teachers asking questions of students is dramatically influential. I admire your goal of not attempting to influence them, but it is important to remember that you do in fact have significant influence with your questions, how you ask them, and what you ask. Finally, it is worth considering that you put great emphasis on “subtle” racism yet come to the conclusion that as a _teacher_ you “in no way” influence your students. These two views are not compatible, and one of them must give way to the other. Either subtle propaganda is equal to (or worse than?) blatant propaganda, _or_ teachers “in no way” influence their students with their questions.
Point taken. That is why I try to play devil’s advocate and argue the opposite point of view when the liberal one is prominent. I probably don’t do it well, but I do try. In the end, I probably do influence what the kids think. More time than not, I come off as a Liberarian in class class. One student offered me a sticker to display on my truck.
As I plan my future lessons, I will be sure to keep your words in mind as i do value offering students a Socratic forum to make their own decisions.
Btw, I have found that my influence over the thoughts of my students is very limited. They are most apt to regurgitate what they have heard their parents at home say and actually hold very few opinions of their own. This is particularly true of my students who identify as liberals.
Glad to hear it.
I suspect you have more influence than you know. Your students regurgiate their parents’ opinions in class, and my kids regurgitate their teachers’ opinions at home. In the end I think they are trying out the ideas in both forums, and eventually come to their own conclusion.
Obama consciously Chose to affiliate with a cult established by Jeremiah Wright, during which time he heard him emit such phrases as “God Damn America,” this for no less than 20 years, and never Left, till it was politically in his interest to do so.
In addition, he referred in his memoir to his belief that “white mans’ greed runs a world in need.”
Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that his agenda was and is, to bring this country to its knees.
This should not be hard for anyone to understand.
Well, if you want to see people as Americans, see them as Americans. And tell your students to stop paying attention to the color of people in videos that have nothing to do with skin color. That video is no more racist than a leaf. And believing that racists talk in subtle code is a self-serving paranoia that rises to the level of conspiracy theories. The race conscious critical pedagogy I hear about from the younger generation while they spout crap about justice is personally sickening to me.
Since your comment does seem to be sincere, here is a sincere reply.
This is where your analysis goes off course: “The white middle class family, business owners, and unemployed dad sent her a very subtle but clear message.”
There is no reason to believe this “message” was “sent.” What you are describing is this student’s *interpretation.*
When one believes one is receiving a “subtle” message it is a good idea to consider whether it is in fact “clear” or whether one is reading it into the material (projecting one’s own views and concerns). Having seem this video myself, my sense is that the student likely projected this message.
Race did not come to mind for me when I saw the video. It never occurred to me to pay attention to the color of anyone’s skin. The people in the video are simply people. The point of the video is nothing at all to do with race, it has to do with actions and the results of those actions. It’s a video about principle.
If you find “racial overtones” in the conservative materials you read, I respectfully suggest that you consider the possibility that you may be doing the same thing the student did, projecting them there yourself.
Sorry for the typo in paragraph four. Should be “having seen this video myself..”
I would actual say undertones. And yes it is interpretation on my part as well as on my student’s part. I could be well off base, but as a literature teacher, I do tend to look between the lines. I can’t help it.
For the record, one student argued ver effectively that the message was simply a message. She even got convinced her class mate that if there were racial undertones, they most likely were not purposeful.
In literature, Jane Eyre, Pride and Prejudice, Age of Innocence for example, what is between the lines is put there purposefully. There is no reason to go Critical Pedagogy and see things that aren’t there.
“I am genuinely trying to understand the conservatove mindset.”
You’re lying; you have exactly zero interest in understanding the mindset of people that you’ve been taught through your credentially and your associations as the result of that credentialing to believe were inferior to you. If that kid saw racism, it was because you and people like you put that perception in her mind.
I frankly haven’t the slightest interest in “helping” someone like you understand “the conservative mindset;” you’re incapable of understanding. For the last fifty years or so pretty much everyone who could go straight from college to a job in government or industries/professions that live off government could keep the same stupid ideas they formed while sitting on the floor of a dorm room smoking dope; nothing will change those people except perhaps forcing them out in the fields to bring in the harvests while living on a 1000 calorie per day diet. Those who survive ten years can apply for a diploma in its original meaning; a grant of citizenship.
I enjoyed every response to SL’s comment but I liked Art Chance’s the best.
I would add that it’s not just other races that seek out and find code-words and label themselves stereotypically but the LGBT’s, feminazis, etc all have the same agenda.
This agenda is borne of the all-too-natural human frailty of feeling less-than-significant. Most adults come to grips with it by finding something they are good at and enjoy and explore that as a hobby, or even a career. This is the healthy response to feeling unappreciated, disliked, put-upon or any number of other unhealthy emotions.
Sadly, the “unfairly” put-upon, blacks, hispanics, LGBT’s, feminazis, etc, seem to lack an avocation that provides satisfaction. Or, it’s that they make anger their life’s work. They seem to spend an incredible amount of time looking for and, of course, finding racism, sexism, unfair treatment, etc. Not because these things actually exist but because they so desperately need it to be so in order to achieve self-validation. Being proven right is somehow a substitute for actually achieving something like raising a family, building something, winning a sports competition, or even just enjoying the day for being sunny, warm and having fresh air.
Also sadly, this flawed mental process has been given such gravity by fellow-travelers of the liberal roost who, themselves have never really accomplished anything. I have often witnessed the typical office-worker at functions where they are surrounded by construction workers, pilots, military members, etc and you can read the insecurity in their face. They know they don’t DO anything of any great measure but instead of taking satisfaction in what they are and do, they start lamenting the “huge egos” of the other guests and usually start some sort of trouble, thus ending up being ostracized by the majority.
Object lesson in microcosm.
Society now has these “rules” where the average white guy must kiss the asses of all the black people he meets so as to acknowledge “the struggle” (whatever the hell that means) and thus, pay homage to it and be humble, even if they’re right to simply be a strong-character individual of credibility. I have been there. Even in the military where my black fellow officers told me I was a racist because I had criticized a black guy. My explanation was that the guy had effed up and did the task wrong and I corrected them..not cruelly, not unnecessarily, but politely and firmly. But they told me, “that’s no way to talk to a brutha”.
Thus, I simply decided to avoid blacks as much as possible. Friendships ended because I would no longer play that game. That is, unless they, themselves chose to let me treat them as individuals and not part of some color-coded contest.
Think my earlier comments will suffice as a retort to your comments. For those who offered your thought politely. Thank you. I learned something. And for those who were a bit less than cordial. Thank you too. I learned just as much.
Peace
Don’t count on that peace.
One question to you, SOCIAL LIBERAL(your reply will determine whether or not you are being sincere):Do you support reverse racism and quotas,euphemistically called affirmative action? If you do,don’t bother posting,about racial divisiveness, and cooperation among the races;if you support this atrocity,you have zero credibility here.
I used to. But I have come around in my way of thinking. I believe that there needs to be something in place to ensure that all people get an chance to compete, but the way affirmative action has taken hold in this country has had adverse affects.
The Second Bush used a term he called affirmative access. I am all for programs designed to target kids to whom access to education and training programs has been detered by poverty and bad luck of birth. The success level and education of the parents is a strong factor in predicting who will be successful and who will not. Rather than colleges accepting students who are not qualified, I believe it is necessary to identify students who want to succeed and then explicitly teach them the skills necessary to be successful academically, professionally and socially. I do not support a system that gives a less qualified person a job over a more qualified person. I support programs and ideas designed to help people help themselves.
Let me share a story. I know a student who was heading down the “wrong path” when I first encountered her as a freshman. She had decided that “real Black kids” are not supposed to be in Advanced Placement classes, nor should they go to college. Really she was afraid of failure. Her single mother was involved but worked nights, so her schedule did not allow her to keep as close as a track of her daughter as she would have liked. Her mother sought out the Coordinator of a program called AVID (Advancement Via Individual Determination) and requested her daughter be enrolled. In the program she learned how to take notes, how to study, how to communicate effectively, and how to check her attitude. Four years later, she graduated high school, obtained a needs based scholorship and a merit based scholarship, and she will be attending a small college this fall. She went from a 1.7 GPA to a 2.9 GPA. This is be no means an impressive GPA, but she did score a 26 on her ACT exam.
What is really impressive about this young woman is that she realized her own readiness. As a sophmore, the school she attended forced her into an Advanced Placement class she knew she was not ready to take. She advocated for herself to be removed from the class but being an intelligent Black female, the powers that be were not in a hurry to let her exit the class. You see, she was good for the numbers. Unfortunately, she failed the class and had to go to summer school to make up the credit. This is where affirmative action fails and it is the recipients of affirmative action who are hurt the most. We tell kids they are ready for something and to use a tired old metaphor, we through them into the deep end with out a life preserver. When they fail, we blame the kids when we really need to re-evaluate our practices.
If we focus on helping kids (regardless of their race, sexual orientation, gender, or creed) gain an adequate education be it a liberal arts education or a technical education, we can level the playing field. Some kids need more help than others, but as a society we need to commit to offering help. If we all make an effort to help kids who are not quite making it, and explicitly teach them what they need to know to be successful, we will have a level playing field and no need of affirmative action. As a social liberal, I believe government can play a role but I wish more successfull individuals would volunteer and work with willing parents and students, sharing their knowledge. Community intiatives are far more successful efforts.
I don’t know if my rather long answer proves my sincerity in your eyes, but I did answer honestly. Also, please forgive me for typos. I am in the middle of barbqueing a rack of ribs and my timer is going off.
Social Liberal, your comments on affirmative action seem to reveal that you share the same basic principals on the subject as one of our supreme court justices. From the deep south, Clarence Thomas’s book “My Grandfather’s Son” would be a great, great read for you and your students. Even just some excerpts. A prominent, highly intelligent black man who grew up seeing racism, went to school with help from the failed policies of affirmative action and then after seeing the results and their effects on his own personal journey, he rejected those ideas, much like you have written of your own change of heart.
Thanks for the tip. My students read the Ben Carson autobiography as freshmen. This book could complement the Carson reading well. I have to admit that I do not know much a out Thomas other than he was sued for sexual harrassment. It is time I learned more.
There are a couple of things I would point out.
I believe “If I wanted America to fail” is a version of something from Paul Harvey in the 60′s. So the original had nothing to do with Obama.
Also, TV magazine shows (put out almost exclusively by leftists) would exclusively show whites, since these are they expected most of their audiences to symathise with whites only. (See Bernard Goldberg, Arrogance).
Racialist, truther – who can tell and who cares. Nutball says it all.
BTW how many heard Toure’s incredibly ignorant blathering on MSNBC, 50 or 75?
I dod not really count on it from you. Thank you for living up to my expectations.
This reply was linked to the wrong message. Sorry about that.
Add me to your list of low expectations. And I think that that’s a shame, and I’ll tell you why.
I’m first generation here – got off the boat at Ellis Island with my mother and father – escaping from behind the Iron Curtain. Mom and dad taught me to judge everyone by their character and their behavior, not by their looks. We lived on the far north side of Chicago – back in the days (early ’60′s) when you didn’t go to the South side if you were white – and I remember on multiple occasions my mother bringing her co-worker home for dinner, an elegant and classy black lady. I was only 9 or 10 but I remember those dinners and how natural it felt. I tell this not as a “I have lots of black friends” story but to illustrate my parent’s values and the fact that they ‘walked the walk’. And this was before Dr. King and his speech on character. I went in the Army immediately after college and saw right away that there were just as many good black soldiers as good white soldiers and vice versa. And that we were all brothers and the only color that mattered was green. As a matter of fact I had a couple of my white soldiers court martialed for scratching racial epithets on one of my black NCO’s ofice door – just to illustrate that I ‘walked the walk’ and f**king meant it. And then came Rodney King and the riots. And I shook my head and was saddened and angry at the media manipulation and the mobs lapping it up – intentionally omitting salient elements of the story: the other black passenger in King’s car, untouched by the racist police because…why? Because he did what the police ordered. Not to mention King’s aggression at the start of the incident – edited out, of course. And 52 or 53 people died because of the riots that were stirred up, because “No Justice, No Peace”. But I got over that. Then came OJ. And that travesty of a trial. And then the verdict – with coverage coast to coast – showing white crowds hanging their heads sadly and shaking them, while black crowds cheered as if they’d just won the Super Bowl. And again, I got over that. And there were other incidents – foreign tourists driving rental cars, murdered in Florida. Until there was one survivor who described the assailants as black and Jesse Jackson immediately showing up and throwing accusations of ‘profiling’ when the police decided to search the black community rather than the, oh, I don’t know, Native American community? And I got over that. The good will my parents had taught me was strong in me. And I was even okay when Obama was elected President. I wasn’t happy – nothing to do with his color, everything to do with his lack of any resume and what he believed in and stood for – but I lived with it. But now, after 4 years of demonstrated inability or incompetence or perhaps worse – malice maybe? – and the growing hints from the culture we all swim in that anybody not voting for him again is a racist, this coupled with monolithic black support even in the face of his disregard for making anything better for the black community – from opposing school vouchers, to supporting gay marriage, to scandalous unemployment rates for black youth and still…95%+ support for him? But if I said I was voting for the white guy because he’s white I would be excoriated – and rightfully so.
The reason I said at the beginning of this that it was a shame is because I feel myself changing and my heart hardening. And it is not because of any blind prejudice. It is because of experiences and observations I’ve been making for many years. And largely because I am starting to think that there is no amount of apology or protestations of goodwill, or ANYTHING that we can do that will ever be accepted by the black community for the wrongs of the past. And neither I, nor my parents, were even in this hemisphere when all that went on. I have gone from assuming the best about any black person I met until they proved me wrong, to becoming very close to the opposite, assuming the worst – that you hate me and think I’m the devil and an oppressor and owe you reparations – until proved wrong.
I’m just a nobody, typing away on the internet, but I used to be a strong ally. And that feeling is changing in me and it is a shame. For all of us, in my humble opinion.
You and I are the same in this area. I am from Detroit of a later generation. I saw racism towards non blacks but we all got along. I jokingly called my high school “little United nations “. Rodney king riots disgusted me. O.j. infuriated me. What started hardening me a little was sharpton and Jackson going out of their way to involve themselves in things they should have known better. The duke lacross case was simply unreal to me. The behavior of the prosecutors and the press, ugh, I have no words. Ive heard people claim that this had been done to minorities in the past and somehow this was only fair! What?
I think obamas agenda and supporters had the same effect as on you. In my case, I went overseas in 08 for 3 yrs. When I came back I noticed that I was looking at us like I was q foreigner. Going back to Detroit, the almost total media blackout on so called “flash mobs ” beating people, usually white or Asian, or flash robbing stores, the continuous shooting, murder and violence in Chicago, the refusal to speak truthfully about anything re. 13% or so of the population, amazing. My heart is hardening and I don’t like it
A fifth grader once told me in class that, according to his father, all white Americans have ancestors who owned slaves. I quickly pointed out to him that my family (and most) in the South were too poor to live on plantations, much less own slaves. I also explained that some Americans have ancestors who came to this country years after the Civil War ended, and I told him that he needed to tell his father just that. The truth doesn’t matter anymore. Too many people today believe things because they watch tv, don’t bother to think or research for themselves, tow the party line, and then vote.
A fifth grader once told me in class that, according to his father, all white Americans have ancestors who owned slaves.
While you should point out that this is totally false, you can also say that it may well be true that just about all black Americans have ancestors who owned slaves in this country.
I’m really sick of Blacks who throw around the N-word (or a derivative of) because they can, while waiting to to pounce on any White person who uses the same word, with no regard to context.
Me too. That’s why as a Black man, I call black people particularly young people out whenever I hear the word used in my presence. The YouTube video titled “Ninja Say What” is a funny piece of satire you can use to demonstrate the point of how idiotic it is for Blacks to use the n word casually.
Your capitalization of “black,” showing you use it as some sort of concocted nationality rather than a descriptive term, is one of the roots of your problem.
Buzzsaw,
The guy is one of the relatively few voices in the black community who confront young black people who use the N word. Many of us here have lamented over that issue, and he is addressing it. You missed that, but somehow found offense at capitalizing a letter. Rather than insult him, he ought to be congratulated.
Many of us get frustrated in the belief that our views here are sounding in an echo chamber. Today we aren’t in that chamber, and I believe extending some courtesy and grace to our guests and potential new contributors is worth the effort.
Thank you for your support. At least someone has gotten the spirit of what I was trying to say. For the record, I capitalize Black just as I capitalize White, Asian, Caucasian, Afirican and Hispanic. I view them as proper names to refer to a group of people who share some common characteristics, experiences, and or ancestry. If it make the readers on PJM feel better, I will use low case letters for all of the terms I listed here out of fairness. I usually post under the name Chuckie but chose Social Liberal so readers would know my political orientation as I commented on this page. Feel free to call me on it if I slip up inthe future.
Please note that I did not use the term African American. Imagine what the reaction to that one would have been.
fortibus, you are well-intentioned—but wrong. “Social Liberal” says that he capitalizes black, white, etc., etc. This is politically-correct nonsense. Some words, like “Asian” or “African” are capitalized because they refer to continents; capitalizing adjectives merely perpetuates the racist nonsense that has, unfortunately, given Toure a career.
“Social Liberal” may be congratulated for choosing to weigh in here. That doesn’t mean he gets a pass for adhering to the socially destructive crap that passes for politesse in the leftist world.
I would say you are making a big deal out of something rather minor Buzz. Knit pick my comments all you want to but it is attitude that is destructive not choice of language. You would put someone down because he chooses to use language conventions you find silly. What is destructive the refusal to find common ground and attack behavior that is truly devicive.
I was taught to do my best to not offend others on purpose. I say please and thank you. I open doors. And I do not intentionally use language that offends others. Sometimes that means I am overly sensitive and PC. I would rather err on the side of caution. If considering the feeling of others is a detriment, then I guess I am a lost cause.
Social Conservative: Allow me to politely say, “To hell with your concern-troll bullshit.” I will point out—as I have thus far refrained from doing—that your use of terms like “knit pick” (the term is “nitpick,” which refers to removing baby lice) shows that as a self-styled “teacher of literature” your students are woefully ill-served. They have an illiterate instructing them.
Opening doors and saying “please” and “thank you” has nothing to do with being sensitive to the corrosive effects of using politically-slanted language day-in and day-out. If you are indeed the “teacher of literature” you pretend to be, you should be familiar not only with Orwell’s work 1984, including its discussion of Newspeak, but his excellent essay “Politics and the English Language.” You are a gross offender against the English language, no matter how many doors you open for people and no matter how many “pleases” and “thank-yous” you proffer. You are a perpetuator—indeed, a willing accomplice—in the corruption of the language you allege that you teach students, and, when called on that blatantly obvious fact, you flounce around like a transvestite caught in his wife’s dress.
Notice I capitalized White as well. It denotes a group identity as opposed to a physical description. Kind of like how Tea Partier is capitalized. I’m sorry you are so busy looking for offense that you missed the class on capitalization.
When I think about my admiration for Allen West, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and about a dozen other great black thinkers, it ticks me off that little weasels like Toure, shallow pretentious media wh***s, get to completely discount them. Like they don’t exist. Like they are Invisible Men.
For your enjoyment or disgust. It’s your pick.
“There once was a Homie named Toure’,
who spoke and his words became pureed’.
He started a craze,
mumbling into the haze,
and Ebonics got one more for shure-ehh ? ”
This was done on short notice. Really short……
Judges??
Toure and others seem to forget that people have long memories. Many people I knew from Hopkins on, thought they could say or do anything offensive as long as they it made them feel good: you weren’t supposed to hold it against them.
The problem is not going to be race riots or the like, but rather groups with mascot status, in Sowell’s phrase, will not be able to look to the rest of us for help.
You want to support the hating members of you group? Fine-o but do not expect people to do anything but take you seriously and act accordingly, in the future.
You live by the sword, well you’ve chosen your destiny.
I sure would like a copy of the code book so I could tell in advance what the words I’m going to use actually mean.
Uncle Kevvie: I’ve seen worse. Read worse?
My mother was a hardcore democrat for most of her life (the closest thing she had to God was FDR) and she didn’t like black people at all. So this belief that all bigots are Republicans is nonsense.
BTW, I’ve met plenty of black people who I’ve disliked. But to be honest with myself, I’ve met many more white people who I’ve disliked. And when one realizes that, you also realize it is stupid to judge people by their “color.” And yes, I consider Thomas Sowell to be a genius. Have you ever noticed how many times we hear men like Dr. Sowell being referred to as a “Non-threatening black man?” So do libs only consider black thugs to be authentically black?
Living right-close to Detroit {“East Wind bring funny smells, Kemosabe…”}I am really torn when it comes to ‘classing people’.
I see daily in news and even in person what can occur when those of color ‘smell wealth’ and act on base emotions. It’s ‘just another day on the planet’, hereabouts. Shootings, robberies ,B&E’s galore and all of ‘em, within mere miles from me.
…and almost without exception, performed by “those, not like me.”
Are ‘they all alike’? Not a chance. do I go out and seek ‘chances not needed’?
Ditto. I take pleasure where I find it people-wise, but when all the smart ones moved outta Detroit, those that stayed are either too dumb to figure out alternatives or too violent to leave, and no one wants them around.
There might be a gaggle of really nice Citizenry in Detroit, but I got my own problems and really could care less. Call me jaded, uncaring, or just a plain ole’ racist bastard, it don’t much matter. I’m ‘in orange’ all the time and it gets no better, around here. That, never changes.
I understand what you are saying.. People used to ask me when I was coming “home ” (Detroit native so were my parents etc) . I left in 92 the minute I turned 18. I said hell no I am never going back. Even my detroiter husband used to think we ‘d go back. No way. We were gone for a few yrs straight and came back to visit and he most definite agrees now. ALL his family and mine have left the city since 1991. We were just up for a visit and showed the kids. Shocked silence
That idiotic comment has gone to spam. It got through because it didn’t have any links in it and the author was careful to avoid certain words. We get hundreds of comments here everyday and thousands across the PJ sites, and can’t always catch all of the bad ones before they hit the site. So thanks for alerting me to that one.
If you exclude thugs and some rap music, this word is hardly used nowadays. Black family men I know have said their kids that this word is forbidden in the house as well it should be. So for this man to use this word in this platform, to denergrate another person, white or black, I find offensive. I am getting so tired of these race-baiters living in the 21st century talking like they ever lived it in the centuries past. They no nothing of what real racism is; absolutely nothing. But they will keep on using those terms as if the have been there done that. Ha, I could teach them a thing or two, but I prefer to live here and now. God has changed many hearts about racism and it shows and no greater gift was given us than when Republicans stood up and voted those civil rights in. We have benefitted and it is incumbent upon us to live like we ought to and be greatful. Yeah, there are still some who show us trying times, but now society finds is ourageous to even spout out that vile stuff and this young man should be ashamed of himself. I will tell him personally in a heart beat…
Excuse me: my #44 was directed at “Social Liberal”‘s #42; apparently some glitch screwed up its appearing in the proper “Reply” position.
This pansy was destroyed by young Kira Davis is six minutes. Apparently six minutes is the usual time an informed person needs to take apart liberal memes.lol
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/17/video-kira-davis-open-letter-to-msnbcs-toure/
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In a way I have a weird respect for Toure(ttes.) He reminds me of an augur circa 800 B.C. frantically pawing thorugh the entrails of a slaughtered goat trying to determine the auspices to reveal the will of the gods. Mr. Toure does the same thing with language, endlessly torturing it to find “code words” and “signs” of implicit racism that he can hurl against his opponents. In a sane world he would have a nice quiet room in the local sanitorium where he could pursue his racial scholasticism in peace. But our world is not sane so he has a major spot on MSNBC.
Also, in a sane world, he’d have his tertiary syphillis treated.
Apparently, if you live in a city where there is a lot of angry negros, you won’t get pizza delivery after dark. It’s called the Hoodieization, Toure. Get it right.
Romney is a late comer to the process. Obama characterized himself years ago. Keep remembering that Obama was elected by only 30% of registered voters. There was a 58% turnout and of the people who actually voted, 52% voted for Obama. Multiply 0.58 and 0.52 and you get 0.30. Just 30% of registered voters saddled us with Obama. Forget about the polls and just vote. He has not gained followers. Any poll you see with more than 30% approval for obama is oversampled in democrats.
Now you’re trying to crackerize this discussion
ITS AMAZING YOU PRETEND TO BE SO AWARE, YET USE THE PROPAGANDA..FALSE NARRATIVE, OF TRASHING THE WORD TRUTHER. YOU’RE AN EMBARRASSMENT ACTUALLY. TO REAL FACTS PROVEN EVENTS!! AMERICAN HISTORY OF FALSEFLAGS HAVE BEEN PROVED, FOR DECADES, NUMEROUS TIMES. ITS OBVIOUS YOU NEVER RESEARCHED THE TOPIC. IT PROVES YOU HAVE NO GUTS FOR REAL FACTS!! RE;TRUTHER?? PROUD OF IT!! IT MEANS TRUTH!! DONT ASSOCIATE US WITH F-ING MSNBC YOU RETARD. ALSO, ID ADVISE YOU TO EDUCATE YOUR STUPID A**, INSTEAD OF JUST BEING A PARROT.
Writes in all caps…check. Short, rambling, incoherent sentences…check. Trouble staying on his own topic…check. Believes the most ridiculous conspiracy theory ever..check. Checklist complete. No doubt about it…he’s a loon.
Call it whatever you want but Obama is an angry black man and his wife is an even angrier black woman. Both attended Ivy League colleges probably not at their own expense. They are grifting their way through the presidency, feeding at the public trough from their room service lobster on his acceptance night until he is out of office.
His black relatives never experienced slavery but they are experiencing how that powerful man scorns and ignores them.
Its wonderful to read the comments of all you non-racists. I would like to read an explanation of why, since the integration of the sixties, that our country has moved backward in education and morality.
White leftists. Blacks are the biggest victims of this.
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Social Liberal @52
(Yes, the posting engine seems to need a drink — it’s getting flummoxed.)
This nit-picking is deeper than it seems, there’s baggage on display everywhere.
Agree with Buzzperson that the capitalization of Black (and all the other ‘sister’ words, including African and Asian) is a wince-worthy example of precious behavior. In context, these words are used as adjectives to describe ‘surface conditions’ — skin color — and have nothing to do with continental geography or ancestral fealty. Worse yet, they are most likely to be used by the kind of people who, when asked to describe the looters fleeing the burning buildings after, say, the Rodney King riots, would say ‘I didn’t notice what color they were’ — i.e., the usual list of embarrasing PC drones. Coming for a guy who teaches Eng. Lit., well, not much of a surprise there. Most, even the smart ones, went through the same sausage factories and have to deal with all that programming/propaganda that reinforces low expectations. That’s why flushing out the stables is high on the list. And, since this thread is full of gratuitous insults, it’s also no surprise that many in the Stupid Party haven’t a clue either.
So cut him some slack, Buzz. He’s been remarkably even tempered throughout, in the face of some ugly taunting. ‘Knit pick’ is in the same category as it’s/its, you’re/your, founder/flounder — simple errors made by many who know better, that slipped past the spell-checker. BFD.
As for Orwell, let’s just say there’s a hint of the autodidact about you, so your patronising tone may be accidental (do you think he’s never heard of Orwell?). It’s been a while, but I recall that the essay on the English language ends with his most important rule, break any of the foregoing rules to avoid sounding outright barbaric.
Isn’t it amazing they cry “racism” all the time and they’re the ones making ALL of the “racist” comments. Do they think the people are this stupid? If your decent to me, I’m decent to you. I don;t give a rats arse about color, sex, orientation, but I should not have to deal with you throwing your position in my face. Liberals don;t comprehend this at all. They think ALL of us GOD fearing folks are to stupid to comprehend what they are saying.
I like SE called him out, but she shouldnt have said “irresponsible” she should have called him out for what he tryly is: a race baiting victocrat conspiracy nut. irresponsible means he should have called romney racist in a ‘nicer way’ not that he was wrong about the whole thing. To victocrats like him no matter what romney does, he is a racist. Anyone who dares support the notion that all men are created equal, and judged on character not color tohim is racist.He needs racial division to feel like his life is actually meaningful. thats what libs are, ‘solutions’ in search of problems. and if there is no problem then one MUST be created in order for the ‘enlightened’ progressive to sho how much better he is than us unwashed masses in flyover states. Truth nor facs have no bearing in People like him arguments. therefore its a waste of time trying to tell him the truth. he needs to just be marginalized and forgotten. contrary to popular beliefe the saul alinsky model worls even better against marxist liberals than for. we just gotta do it
Toure is a race baiting piece of filth,promoted way beyond his feeble intellect by affirmative action.he pretends to read minds,finding racism everywhere,as he tries to characterize dissent from Obama’s policies as racist.
Comment applies to Jaime W #54.It got misplaced,
I don’t see color. I’m not colorblind but when it ones to people in general I judge them not by their color, religion, or lifestyle but by their goodness and honesty and how they treat others. We haven’t seen a lot of any of those characteristic values come out of the Whitehouse the last 3 + years. We have not seen the campaign promises kept, we have not seen transparency. We’ve seen a national healthcare bill that only promises enslavement of our choices in our own healthcare and death panels who will determine if you live or die. It basically comes down to that with its 2700 pages of only we know what is best for you and you have no choice. Obama says he believes in being my brothers keeper but his actions are louder than words so he really doesn’t believe that. He doesn’t believe in freedom of choice, he believes in a world of socialism that has failed time and time again. We as Americans are being led like sheep to the slaughter. We are not better off than 4 years ago, his I need another 4 years to complete my mission means he wants another 4 years to totally tromp our Constitution to death and blame everyone but himself for his failures. I see a President that does not believe in the principles our country was founded on, a President that is trying to devide the country into us vs them. he doesn’t seem to want us to be cohesive and together patriotic as this country has always been proud of its freedoms of religion, Military and for the republic on which it stands one country, indivisable with liberty and justice for all. These hate mongers who claim anyone standing up for the foundations on which this country itself were founded are actually hate mongers its getting pretty old. Taking the word God out of everything they can yet they believe we are haters, if we disagree we are racist, if we watch fox news Uncle Jim a name for everything that they believe is against their mission to bring the country to its knees. Now they are making up words for what purpose? It’s time to take our country back from these imposters who pose as “Democrats” but really are something so left to that it’s only recognizable as Socialism or worse Communism. I see a man not a black man just a man. Who. Does not know how to be a leader. Who is richer himself than most Americans but only wants that for a select few including himself. Romney didn’t take a salary as CEO of the 2002 Olympics nor as Governor of Massachusetts. A rich man who has earned the money he has but when he gives of himself in service to others takes no pay for it. But Obama wants to besmirch the fact he has money. Of the 16 richest politicians in the country 10 of them are Democrats. Romney is # 6 Bloomberg in NY is # 1 and the only billionaire. Does he take a salary? I don’t know but do we want to see his tax returns? No and why? Because they have always been between you and the IRS? Don’t you think that if there was anything fishy about Romneys tax returns we would already know it? The only one keeping secrets is the POTUS trying to keep everyone off his back for all his sealed records. If he thinks his are no one else’s business then why he he so Hypocritical toward someone else. Having wealth used to be the American Dream, but our Current President only seems to want it for himself. Why else would he use so much of our taxpayer dollars for expensive luxuries for his own family, not actual dollars he earned. People really think about it and if you can’t come to the conclusion that Obama is not a man we want leading us then you really are Ostriches with your head in the sand. Just remember that’s a good position for getting your behinds whooped!
You, my friend, are an idiot. How the heck did this vile comment make it thru the screening?
+1 on the need to screen out this garbage.
MODERATOR: You need to look at the orignal post more closely, and then remove it.
I am actually glad the comments made it through. It gave me the chance to see that most conservatives don’t think the way this not so gentleman thinks. As a black man who abs at times flirted with the idea of voting republican, the way this man has been called out Ina public forum confirms what I hear many conservatives preach. It is time to move past race.
Who would have thought that such an ugly post would result in something positive? I am very glad.
I hope you will seriously consider voting for some worthy individual Republican candidates in this next election. It is my belief that the policies of the Deomocratic party have hurt the country, and frankly, the black community. The cities that have been under long term Democratic control have not fared well. In my own state of California, cities are declarling bankruptcy and I am genuinely concerned about our future.
You’re “flirting with voting Republican?” Republicans are the ones who fought the Civil War to free the slaves; the ones who passed the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments. Martin Luther King—the guy who spearheaded the Civil Rights Movement—was a Republican.
Democrats are the ones who led the secession in order to keep slavery; the ones who founded the KKK; the ones who fought against ending segregation. The ones who supported a union movement which was, for most of its history, dedicated to keeping blacks out of industrial jobs.
Democrats are the ones who allied with, and connived with, the Marxists, Islamists, and black-separatist racists who wrested the Civil Rights Movement from Martin Luther King and made it a “human rights” movement of special privileges, minority set-asides, and “gimme, gimme” handouts that has devastated the black community. Democrats pay lip service to the memory of MLK, but they and their vile allies are diametrically opposed to the self-reliance which he preached.
It’s good that you are waking up, slowly—but you should be long past “considering” voting Republican if you are, indeed, black, and have seen the devastation that the Democrats have wrought upon the black community over the past forty-plus years.
understand its not dev vs repub. those titles have long since lost their original meaning. What it has turned to is Big govt dependency, vs free markets and liberty. Everybody is racist..both sideds. i choose to focua on myself vs trying to tell others what to think in that regard Do you want to be free and accept the responsibility that goes with it or does the black community want to move from slave to pet, from being owned by a single family to being owned by the federal govt. I believe (as a white man) that the black community has traded freedom for dependency, and that while skin color in its own has nothing to do with success or failure. However, since many so called black leaders are locking black skin color with a dependency, inferior culture it is causing more harm than good. its purposly destroying the black community and creating a seperation btw people that dosent need to be there all so a few people\groups can stay in power and be relevant. and hint: its not Romney. its much closer to home
The screening is to silence conservatives, not liberal idiocy.
An you, are infected,take your penicillin,it’s going tertiary!