MSNBC’s Toure No Match For 23-Year-Old Republican Guest
Worth viewing for S.E. Cupp's proud smirk alone.
June 26, 2012 - 2:06 pm
In case you have forgotten who the Toure is, recall he’s the man who was deemed a fraud of a journalist by … Piers Morgan a few weeks back, and who also has expressed his disbelief in the “official” version of 9/11.
Today, he made the unfortunate mistake of assuming he was both more prepared and a more talented debater than a young guest, ridiculing a young Republican as being a “strange breed” and in need of being “saved”. Said young man responded by savaging Toure like a budding Winston Churchill. Alex Schriver has himself a heck of a resume-building clip after today (yes, he’s on our radar). Enjoy:
Wow, he was quick on his feet! I might be a little in love. Talk nerdy to me, young Republican.
No fair! That smart-ass Republican was picking on an affirmative action hire at MSNBC, home of the political short-bus crowd. He should pick on someone of his own (IQ) size.
The bully.
And he made the 1/4 black guy look both arrogant and dumb Raaacist.
Here we go with the juxtaposition. (But I MUST ask!) How do you think the MSNBC panel in general and Toure in particular would have responded if Alex had referred to HIM as a “strange breed?” Do you suppose there would have been cries of “racist overtones?!” That was a SAQ. (Self-Answering Question.) No need to reply.
I don’t know about Toure being “raaaacist.” There are better words to describe him; arrogant, condescending, brainwashed, bully – for starters. Those alone are enough to teach our idealistic young children about the dangers of leaning left. I ask my own son, “Do you REALLY want to be like that when you grow up?”
People – even conservatives – often accuse Republicans of being timid. I suppose that’s in part because they don’t come across as pit bulls. (Arrogant, condescending…) Which is why I’m so impressed with this young man.
The lesson we should all take from this is that you neither have to be overly aggressive nor arrogant to deal with moonbats like Toure. You simply have to know your facts.
Give me informed individuals over aggressive ones and I’ll give you President Romney!
If Gov. Christy had a son he would be just like this guy…
For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone would be found on that foul and incoherent channel of fairy tale propaganda.
I am glad he had the numbers on the tip of his tongue, but he should have added that he found the thought of Mr. Toure thinking him strange for being a Republican at 23 as insulting and quite frankly immature.
The basic fact is that often intelligent young people want to be hip, and you can’t be hip if you are the carbon-copy of all the not-so-hip-seeming adult authority figures around you.
And thanks to the long march through the institutions, those adult authority figures are too often libs, and too often truly authoritarian libs. You can’t have a high schooler read The Crucible and then tell him, oh, say, that he will go to jail for criticizing the President and not expect there to be, shall we say, unintended (but entirely predictable) consequences.
the authority figures (and status quo right now) is the demo/lib demographic.
I am still waiting for the Winston Churchill impersonation. He recited some bogus “facts.” I have never seen a poll that shows conservatives winning the under 25 voter bloc. I guess to right wingers all you have to do is throw out numbers, true or not, in order to be like Winston Churchill. I think Subway should have an eye out for young Alex, he could be the next spokesman if eats subs and loses about 60 pounds. dead ringer for the before Jared….
Try reading and doing your home work Jim instead of getting educated from Chris and Rachel, I am sure you feel the tingle up ypur leg getting all of your HONEST HA information from the msnbc ass gaskets
Don’t beclown yourself “jim lovell.” Leave that to your hero “Toure.” No match for the Conservative who came prepared.
Out of curiosity, I wonder how much per hour Obama’s Office of the Director of Progressive Media and Online response is paying you to troll here.
hey, good one! you can’t compete on facts, so you call someone fat.
really…is that all you got?
this was a classic bit of video. my favorite part was watching Toure’s deer-in-the-headlights gaze get ever foggier the more the “young Republican” spoke.
Seems you can’t read, fool:
“3. Disagree, but avoid ad hominem attacks.”
And yet, if you just went to look it up, you would find the 3 “polls” he mentioned where Republicans won the youth vote in Presidential elections in the modern era, including Reagan, Bush I, and almost Bush II in 2000. Just because you are ignorant does not make him wrong.
Mr Lovell, ad hominem aside, has asked a legitimate question, where did the young man get his numbers from? I did a quick google search and found a document from the website civicyouth.org. A .pdf entitled “Young Voter Registration and Turnout Trends” showed the trends of voters 18-29 for the presidential and congressional races from 2000-2006. For president and congress, the differential in 2000 and 2002, excluding the “other” vote was less than 2% voting between Ds and Rs. The “other was 6%. The interesting part was party id with the party id being 36.9 D and 34.5 R as late as 2004. There is a lot of interesting data, and this does not appear to be a “conservative friendly” source. Based on that quick look, I believe the young republican was very likely correct about the 2000 youth split, at least close enough to now get the benefit of my doubt.
You need better reading comprehension, too, buddy. Is 2000-2006 the era of Reagan and Bush I? You’re giving us data he didn’t even mention. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel with you people.
What the hell is a “Toure,” anyway? Do news reporters get to have cool, hip-hop street names now? Yeah, that’ll really help your network’s credibility.
Here are some little-known historical newsie handles:
Walter Kronkeit: Speshul-K
Bill Moyers: bill.i.am
Tom Brokaw: T-Bro
Chet Huntley/David Brinkley: DJ Huntley-Hunt & Brinkey-D
Barbara Walters: Dat Ol’ White Ho
Katie Couric: Dat Ovah White Ho
Dan Rather: Dirty Ol’ Lyin’ Bastard
I believe it must be short for “Tourette’s.” It’s a common affliction on the left.
Toure proves once again that being liberal means assuming you never have to do your homework. Young Master Schriver spanked him, took his lunch money, rubbed his nose in the dirt, and made him say he liked it.
How about 2-RA-SN-DROM?
wow…..the young republican toure him a new azzhole…………
How can you tell if someone wins an argument on a complicated issue in the realm of politics when the argument that only lasts 1 min and 40 secs? That’s like judging 2 people debating the issue of abortion while constrained to only 1 tweet each. This clip is meaningless in the scope of intelligent debate in the world of American politics.
To claim that you do not know who won this little set-to makes you the dolt-of-the-day.
Maybe you did not intend self-immolation, but you have committed it.
The “the scope of intelligent debate in the world of American politics” is a very narrow scope, indeed! It’s not an entertainment form for enough of the media’s audience to receive more than the very occasion minute or two. Being able to effectively argue any aspect of an issue in the available time, as this young man did, is definitely worthy of props.
Toure looked silly when he basically said that all young people must be liberal and implied that Alex has some mental defect that has made him conservative. There are MILLIONS of conservative young americans out there, or else organizations on college campuses that support conservative values would not exist.
What if an older man got on one of these shows and wondered aloud how all old people aren’t conservative? He would be torn to shreds by the media in the wake of his comments. Double standard much, MSNBC?
Unfortunately X, 1min40secs is all the time that MSNBC allows conservatives to speak. OTOH, that is usually all the time we need. (And nobody goes to MSNBC for ‘intelligent’ debate, this is a rare clip on a network of continuous beclowning.)
Toure’s dripping condescension at the outset made the smackdown all the more sweet.
I agree that Toure was ridiculously condescending, but I believe you missed the point of my statement and then for some reason continued to support the validity of the clip. The clip is meaningless. All it did was showed that Toure doesn’t know how to host properly, and guests (like Alex) aren’t given enough time to have intelligent debates on important subjects. Carmelita, if you honestly think that 30sec “is all the time [you] need” to debate a political stance then you may want to drastically reevaluate the depth of your insights.
Other than the Churchill reference, I don’t see where anybody claimed this was a seminal moment in American politics. Just a small, pleasant one.
THE CLIP IS MEANINGLESS! IGNORE THE CLIP! DO NOT REACH ANY CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THE CLIP!
It doesn’t matter if Toure is a clown, an imposter, etc… and doesn’t know his stuff. He’s black and he’s cool – his name is TOURE! Don’t you see that he has ONE cool name.
He is another cool black dude with a cool name that is cool and streety. How cool!
Cool is the new fool.
Might be, you missed the “f” and substituted a “c” but I cannot be sure.
Isn’t “Toure’s Syndrome” that malady where the sufferer uncontrollably spouts leftwing drivel?
Is he trying to be the ‘Cher’ of political punditry? If so, he’s off to a rough start, getting his lunch eaten by a 23yo in need of being ‘put on the couch’ and secondly, having no substance at all save name-calling and personal put-downs.
I cannot recall the lady’s name who said about Reagan in ’84 (in which election he carried 49 states), “I don’t know how he won – no one I know voted for him”, but this ‘Toure’ character seems to be in the same category – his circle of friends & views on the issues are so narrow, it never occurs to him that others might have alternate ideas.
What a maroon!
I cannot recall the lady’s name who said about Reagan in ’84 … “I don’t know how he won – no one I know voted for him”.
I think it was Pauline Kael … a film critic, but could not verify.
Yes, and about Nixon.
Can’t remember either, but Tim Groseclose covers the anecdote in his book Left Turn (2011). Long on quantitative analysis it’s not the easiest read but a ballsy good one on media bias from a conservative-outlier professor of political science and economics at UCLA.
I think you’re being unfair to the man who asked him about him being an “experiment”. From the context it was a humorous, simply a way of noting that young people are mostly democrats so it’s remarkable when you find a young republican. It wasn’t meant as a “you freak” insult. As for the reply, he answered to the point, and I don’t think he “demolished” the man who asked the question — he just showed him to be wrong about the point.
Of course it was meant as a “you freak” insult. And the whole premise is stupid anyway. Even if you assume that most young people are democrats, would it really be similarly remarkable to find a young person who was also:
Gay
Left-handed
6 feet tall
resident of California
red-haired?
Because I’m pretty sure all of those characterstics are less likely to be found in a young adult than “conservative”.
Liberals always fantasize themselves as being more intelligent and sophisticated than conservatives. And they reinforce this fantasy by surrounding themselves with people that think the same way and would never disagree. They are intellectual bullies and cowards that react in horror when someone calls them out for their dishonesty.
Sadly, being a Californian, most of my family and friends are committed hard-core liberals. I used to ignore their typical snide liberal comments and insults because they were family and friends. But a while back I decided I would no longer tolerate them. After I began to voice my disagreement with the liberal politics of my family and friends, most of them took it as a personal insult. They were genuinely shocked that someone could actually have a political opinion opposed to theirs. My own father, who was a union shop steward, took it the worst. To this day he refuses to talk to me after I let him know how I truly felt about corrupt labor unions. Thankfully, my dear mother remains neutral.
Regardless, in the end I’m OK with losing some family and friends due to their childish prejudices. I never held their liberal politics against them, and if they cannot do the same for me, then f**k ‘em.
It’s too bad you had to make that choice, but unfortunately that’s how the “culture war” is waged by the left. No prisoners. I don’t know whether it was courage or just being fed up, but I recall when I, a former leftist, decided to stop being the good-natured punching bag for venting leftists/liberals and “came out” and started responding with rational arguments and evidence. I lost all my “liberal” “friends” except those few who now eschew such tactics around me. My family is another issue. They’re stuck with me. So they just stopped their left-liberal trash talking because they know they’re only going to get embarrassed by how little they know about what they’re talking about.
That was a good response,
But a better on would be:
Yes it is true that liberal voters are less informed and less experienced in general and that your bias leads you to believe that those characteristics overlap with youth.
However, the truth is that young voters overwhelmingly prefer smaller government and self reliance to paternalistic ‘solutions’. And that younger voters are more informed about current events, on average, than your generation and that those younger voters become ever less trusting of government dictats.
Experience is making them more libertarian and conservative.
Your response was just as valid as the one Alex gave. However, Toure wasn’t prepared for facts. He WAS prepared for a fight. That’s what liberals DO! I think the young Republican did just fine. It’s how we should all handle echo machines. IMHO, of course.
Did anyone catch the eye glance down at 1:18? Is he being prompted? Who knows, that’s the fun.
Here you’re referring to the 23-year-old Republican. (I’m writing this for the readers who have no idea who you mean by “he,” and who don’t feel like scrolling back up to the video, clicking play, trying to pinpoint the 1:18 mark, watching it, stopping it, then coming back down here to find their place in the comments, all to figure out what you mean by “eye glance down.”)
He was probably glancing at the studio monitor in front of him to see the graphic that had just been posted.
this kid is everything the democrats fear, and don’t want on air.
Well, one thing we can be certain of is that nice as it may be, the youth vote has yet to skew safely conservative.
We will know when that happens, because liberals will be demanding that the government immediately raise the voting age.
The same voices that tell us that “irresponsible” radio stations must be shut down will be telling us how “irresponsible voters” need a few more years to mature (into proper liberals, naturally).
Here is information from recent polls which is relevant to this topic:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/poll-youth-support-for-obama-rising-but-still-tenuous-20120424
http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/poll-reveals-enthusiasm-trouble-for-obama-20120601
Of particular interest is this paragraph, from the second article:
“The most striking poll finding was the generational divide among white voters. Among whites 18 to 29, Romney led by 3 points in the first three weeks of interviewing; Obama had a 1-point edge in the second three weeks. Among whites 30 and older, the Romney advantage ballooned to 19 points in the first half and 20 points in the second. But it’s the likelihood of voting that should worry Democrats: 84 and 85 percent of those 30 and older said their likelihood of voting was 10; only 61 and 63 percent of those 18 to 29 indicated 10.”
I think we could summarize the “youth vote” this way: young people went for Obama 2 to 1 over McCain in 2008. Now it’s roughly fifty-fifty.
But support for candidates is not the same as general political outlook. There is plenty of evidence that young people — who have yet to have a lot of experience of the world — are indeed less conservative and more radical than older people, but that they grow less naive as they move from tax-eaters to tax-payers. I see no reason to deny this.
Another point: being “not conservative” is not the same as being “liberal”. At various times in history, youthful radicalism was (and is) directed in favor of distinctly non-liberal (as well as non-conservative) forces: in France recently, the greatest plurality of young voters supported the Front Nationale. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/10/marine-le-pen-young-voters)
Toure may want to drop the stereotype of youth==liberal and elders==conservative: A conservative youth has a young physical age but the mental age of an elder, so the [mental age]/[physical age] ratio is higher than a liberal youth’s. The fact that Toure resorted to childish putdowns that were addressed in an adult fashion establishes the point.
“What the hell is a “Toure,” anyway? Do news reporters get to have cool, hip-hop street names now?”
There was a Sekou Toure who was President of the Republic of Guinea for a couple of decades after independence. My guess is that the news guy (whom I have not heard of before this) is either related to him, or else he was born John Smith and decided to change his name to something cool and African-sounding.
Good question, Anne.
His real name is Touré Neblett, and he was hired by MSNBC as a self-anointed “race expert.”
He won’t use his given surname because it’s his “slave name”. He believes all white folks should seriously examine themselves for traces of their inherent “inner racism.”
You can’t make this stuff up. Welcome to the Age of Obama.
To be a Republican on a college campus requires that you are always prepared for an attack by morons.
Alex Schriver should have concluded with “Touché Touré!”
Although he’s a two-bit race-hustler, I do not loathe Touré Nesbit. But I can’t say the same for Barack H. Obama. His elevation to the presidency unleashed demons of racial grievance and victimhood I haven’t seen publicly manifested in decades. May this POTUS with the racial chip on his shoulder soon enter the ash heap of history.
He’s got a last name? Amazing.
Back in the good ole days of Ted Kennedy, Drooling Barney and Chris Dudd, it was a close call whether white libwits or black libwits were the most stupid.
But in the days of Marion obama and his chaming spouse, Maximum Waters, Revrun Al, Elijah, Eric Holder, and yes, the smooth and suave Toure….it ain’t even close anymore.
And I say that while remaining fully aware that Streth, Harry, Plugs and Debby Wasserman are still breathing (more or less).