On Fox News Monday tonight, Greta Van Susteren interviewed Herman Cain at length about the Politico article regarding his 1990s sexual harassment issue. Cain made some good points throughout: that in all the many jobs he has had, he never had any sexual harassment issues anywhere other than the National Restaurant Association; and that several fellow heads of the NRA vouched for his integrity and credibility. He also said the accusations never rose to the level of alerting the NRA’s board, which can mean two things: that the accusations were baseless as he says, or that he covered them up to keep the board from knowing. Given the small size of the settlement, “baseless” seems to be the more probable conclusion. So why didn’t he and his campaign get ahead of it when they could have?
Politico says they contacted Cain’s campaign about the allegations ten days prior to publishing the story, but got no answers. In the Fox interview, Cain says that the campaign decided not to respond because they didn’t know what they were dealing with. All they had were anonymous sources and vague allegations, and Cain said they didn’t “want to chase anonymous.”
Does that make any sense? Surely Mr. Cain remembers the one incident in his entire career in which his integrity came into sharp question. Surely he remembers the accusation and the accuser, the lawyers, the rest, to some level of detail. And if the charges were in fact baseless, it seems to me that he would have been even more likely to remember them. Who wouldn’t remember a false accusation that could have done so much personal and professional damage?
He didn’t seem to remember much of anything about the accusation this morning. But by day’s end, he was telling Greta about the one incident he can remember that was in the charges, the innocuous “you’re as tall as my wife” incident. He told Greta that he remembers that that incident occurred in his office, with both himself and the accuser alone but with the door open. So he remembers that in the afternoon, but in the morning didn’t even remember that there was a settlement. In the morning, he said he hoped that the settlement was not for very much money because nothing happened. By day’s end, he said the accuser got a settlement that probably amounted to about three months’ salary. He also said that if the accuser had simply left the company amicably, that’s probably the amount of money she would have walked away with. So, basically, she got nothing. That’s more evidence that there’s nothing to the charges. Cain also said that he doesn’t remember whether she left the NRA voluntarily or was fired, and whether she left before or after the allegations of sexual harassment. All of these details are as relevant as the open office door and the hand on the chin, but we only have the open office door and the hand on the chin. And that’s after the campaign has had ten days to drum up a response.
The problem with all of this not remembering anything in the morning and then remembering some things by evening is that the story didn’t rock the campaign without warning. They had ample warning — about ten days. It’s possible that he spoke with his former general counsel at some point today, and that person refreshed his memory, allowing him to remember things in the evening that he didn’t remember in the morning. It’s possible. Is it likely though?
Politico first started trying to get the campaign to comment about it all more than a week ago. Cain surely knew at that moment that Politico wasn’t “chasing anonymous.” He knew there was a name even if he couldn’t remember it immediately, and he knew there was an accusation even if it was baseless, and he knew that there had been a settlement of some kind. His integrity had been called into question, in a way that could threaten his career and his marriage. He would remember that even if the accusations were baseless. And though the incident was years ago and for all we know may well have been all about nothing, his memory would have started coming back before this morning.
We all know about the 90s.. it was a free for all women who wanted a quick buck.. proving that frigid women are just as money grubbing as the usual ‘climb the ladder’ succubuses..
hey.. isn’t the 90s right about the time morality became a detriment to success in general?
That’s my textual version of a middle finger..
It’s come to this now:
Herman Cain: It depends on what your definition of “I paid women hush money to keep them quiet about sexual harassment and then conveniently forgot all the details except how I’m innocent” is.
LOL!
CW- You’ve never been sued, Have you? Remembering the details of a lawsuit are difficult enough when it’s fresh in your mind, let alone 20 yrs ago.
Law has nothing to do with common sense or justice, it is convoluted on every level. Some details in the end are deliberately withheld, such as the pay-off! That’s right, you the defendant, may very well pay the settlement never knowing what it was, because your insurance Co. paid it and would not disclose it.
So when you make unfounded accusations (hush money), it shows.
Thought you should know…
20 years after a suit? Evidently you’ve never been sued either, Parker, or you’d know about the statute of limitations.
There sure are a lot of people jumping to conclusions over Cain and the so-called law suits. Before making judgement, you had better check out the LEGAL aspects of the law suit. If it concluded with neither party being allowed to discuss it, Cain could get in hot water saying ANYTHING. By law, he shouldn’t even mention there WAS a suit!
i don’t care what he did 20 years ago with “women”.
why not ask questions about obama’s background? friends, schools, pictures, yearbooks, etc…what obama has done…and we have allowed…is worse than anything, anything anyone has done to our country, period…
Oh, yeah right…the media is in charge, not Americans in general…we only follow.
I really don’t care about 20 years ago and these type allegations. scream rant rage blahblahblah…it doesn’t matter.
…. Shades of Clarance Thomas…
Obama cannot afford to have another black man run against him.
Quit your whining Anne. It’s called the vetting process. If Cain can’t stand the heat then he has no business running for President. So far he has demonstrated he can’t handle damage control very well. That is like presidential abilities 101. If you flunk that do you think they deserve to go farther?
Also, this isn’t a liberal hit job, it’s a conservative hit job! Obama would mop the floor with Cain. The establishment GOP are taking Cain out now with a scandal because they know that the southern primaries will not vote for a hot-n-tot (black person). Now they can blame his poor performance on his moral shortcomings and thus escape the charge of racism. Actually, kinda brilliant from a strategery perspective.
Cutting and pasteing the same comment on multiple threads doesn’t give it any more credibility. Actually, the fact that Cain is an evangelical Southerner probably helps him one Helluva lot more in The South than being black might hurt him. I’m not so foolish as to think that there aren’t some, and not just in The South, who won’t vote for a black person, but they’re a lot fewer and further between than those who wouldn’t be troubled at all by it.
I, too, believe it was a hit, but I think from another campaign, not the RNC. I do think he handled it horribly and he has yet to convince me that he makes good decisions on his feet. His/his staff’s problem was they didn’t know what Politico knew and tried to sandbag them. There’s simply no way in Hell he just didn’t remember. There’s some logic in sandbagging them if they come to you with no details, why would you give them any? That said, if you’re a black man who has run away from the Democrat plantation, you can expect the MSM to make up whatever might hurt you most, so you should give it up before they make it up. I’ve made that threat in just those words many times: give it up or I make it up. Works pretty well I find.
That is what they said about Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Allen West, and others.
I reckon if you are the kinda fella who calls Blacks “Hottentos” (albeit spelled wrong) you could come to those kinds of conclusions…
two things that came to mind as I read this:
1. Why would you assume Politico actually gave Cain 10 days’ notice? Given the standards of their article (ie some people we won’t name told us some stuff that we don’t know the details of…) no reason to believe their “notification” was anything more than, say, whispering it to the cleaning staff at three in the morning while the vacuum cleaner was running…
2. The change from morning to night in memory isn’t quite as unlikely as you make out. Remember, he was being grilled about it over and over. Likely, he was being shown articles and speculation about this non-story all day. Certainly, that would be enough to at least get some kind of hazy recollection of it.
Meanwhile, as some others have commented, given the apparently miniscule amount the settlements were for, the odds of it being anything worth spit are not terribly high.
That’s right. The purpose of the vetting process is to weed out everybody except slippery eels.
If you don’t know how to bob and weave and don’t come across as a slick politician, don’t even bother.
A better question to ask is: What story has Cain not changed? Look at 9-9-9 morphing to 9-0-9 morphing to 3-3-3. Recall his conflicting Gitmo statements.
When is Cain going to inform voters about his CainCare? When is he going to deliver substance in lieu of catchy titles and reconsidered components of his ‘happy talk’?
Frankly, I hope his campaign survives that NRA scandal or non-scandal, whatever it is, because I believe more important — and less nebulous — matters need to be investigated.
Mr. Preston, will you please examine minutely the class action suit brought against Aquila, Inc. — an energy company contemporaneous with Enron Corporation — where Herman Cain was on the Board of Directors and where he was Chairman of the Compensation Committee for a number of years after he was the Godfather’s Pizza CEO?
http://motherjones.com/files/1232_cid_3_amended_consolidated_complaint.pdf
In rereading my reply (no. 2) I realized I need to clarify my last sentence.
Herman Cain was a director of Aquila, Inc., not of Enron, and the Compensation Committee that he chaired was also an Aquila committee.
When you read the class action suit, you will see where Enron figures in.
At this point, a brick of cheese will beat Obama. Instigating class warfare will not save him.
I would like to know more about Cain’s background. Nominating him as the GOP Candidate and then having something REALLY NASTY surface, like a huge breach of Ethics would certainly tip the balance in Obama’s favor. I want ALL GOP Candidates vetted, so there is No screw ups in next years Election.
Obama GOT TO GO.
We don’t know what happened. It is a he said she said situation.
HOWEVER, what we do know is that Herman Cain is a flake, an unserious candidate, and yes an arrogant man. His many gaffes, his flip flop and dismissive responses to this incident and other issues, his racism accusations of Perry, all indicate that the man lacks character. He is a charmer allright, a great debater, a smooth talker but go beyond that and you have nothing.
I used to be a Cain supporter. No more. I am done with the man.
I’ve been saying that, I am a Perry fan, and signed up to Cain site the day he announced, but I knew since his Muslim comment that he was trouble, and so did everyone else. This is why cain did not try to win, this is why Cain sold books, he knew he was not going to win. He was here to spoil the party for conservatives, that is all he ever was.
“I used to be a Cain supporter. No more. I am done with the man.”
Please, try to be more original than that.
NO…it wasn’t a he said she said as in Anita and Thomas. There is hard proof with the Hush money paid to supposely 2 women. Hold on tight…this was a little fire, a larger fire is coming then the napalm. Put a fork in Cain, he is done!
Have you noticed the cannibalism in your analogies? Get a bite.
Obviously you’ve never been in a position high enough to be worth sueing. “5 figures” is not “hush money,” it is shut up, go away, and leave us alone money.
If you are looking at a ton of court fees, lawyer fees, and general other crap would you not decide that maybe settling for less is a better option?
I would. In a minute.
Your easily persuaded or didn’t like him to begin with.
Who wasn’t anticipating an attack like this raise your hand?
I did not watch the interview.
Greta Von Sustern is a lawyer and a scientologist nothing, who made her bones on the travesty of the O J Trial and exhuming the pathetic end of the dead blonde Natalie Holloway.
Faux News is a joke.
Rupert Murdoch is a wiretapping liar.
Herman Cain seems to be a more decent man than the likes of the political acrobat Mitt Romney and the Albert Gore loving Gomer Rick Perry.
I say again. Faux News is a joke.
Does anyone believe that Uncle Rupert and his boy James told the truth when they were questioned by Parliament about Newscorp wiretapping?
Wiretapping was endemic to print journalism in the U K and that CNN clown Piers Morgan has said as much.
Faux News is an enemy of the populists and a valued friend of the elitists and the globalists. They will do whatever it takes to take Herman Cain down.
Herman Cain is the real deal and Greta Von Sustern is an elitist POS.
There was a reason Cain was selling book (to his own campaign) and not going to Iowa. He did not attack Romney at first because he was just helping him. Thats why his wife did not come out with him. Cain is a man full of Hubris, and he is done. The whole thing sounds pretty much about right. People at his church have said this is Cain. The man has and always will be a bad joke, and he is helping Romney, period.
Tim, why don’t you just call him and uppity black man and be done with it.
Why the capital H on hubris?
Obama is the one that deserves the capital H. Hubris worked to his favor.
You also seem to have some insight into his fellowship’s collective contempt for him.
Fascinating…
It is typical corporate practice that when an executive faces such an accusation, he is informed an investigation is under way but NOT the names of his accusers or even details of the charges unless preliminary investigation tends to support the allegations. At an industry group, this is even more likely to involve an insurer, who will tell the accused even less. Then, finally, you are told “the matter has been resolved.”
I don’t know that this was NRA’s practice, but it is certainly possible and would explain why Cain didn’t research the details until the story was published. So the skepticism of his veracity is very cynical, especially in light of the anonymous charges from charter members in the JOURNOLIST secret attempt to propagandize all news.
As Glenn Reynolds has been asking, would those four “journalists” have put their names on an unsourced, non-specific smear job of Barack Obama? And would Politico have published it?
Of course they would not. They are lying leftist hacks. Until there is solid evidence against Cain, the sanest position is to assume malice and deceit from malicious deceivers. It’s their stock in trade.
Well stated Estragon.
I’m not at all thrilled with Herman Cain, but this is truth.
Why on earth are conservatives willing to believe everything the leftist media feeds them????
Oh give it a rest. Someone from politico called and said they had a story that was anonymously sourced and the one name they throw out to the campaign staffer is the name of a chick that didn’t file harassment charges, so when he goes to talk to Cain he probably got a what the hell are they claiming is going on here response. Should you respond, you are fighting air at that point. After they throw a name at you that didn’t file charges, just what are you supposed to do? You wait for the story and then respond to the story. Politico were just asses to confront him outside the news station within a few hours of publishing the story and getting in his face before he had a chance to see exactly what they had published – remember he was in makeup and on the air for a good chunk of Sunday morning.
And, if you disclose the other chick who did file against you as a preemptive measure, you run the risk of her getting all pissed that she was brought into this at all – particularly if she wasn’t named to you by the reporter and for all you know, she told them to pound sand.
At this point, you are faulting him for being a poor shadow boxer in a room with no light.
How do you know the name they gave him isn’t the one who filed accusations? As a matter of fact, you are incorrect. Both of the women filed allegations.
Remember, Cain originally knew nothing about it. Knowing the women and the NRA were forced to be close lipped, Cain hoped to elevate himself on something that couldn’t be negated. He told Laura Ingraham that he only remembered the settlement Monday. Yeah right. She reminded him Politico told him days ago and the name of the woman. He said he decided to ignore.
He never intended on addressing it. He figured it is sealed in the NRA so no risk, then he would play the victim card of Liberal media and/or GOP elite are after me and then threw in a race card (ie. His “There’s going to be a High-tech lynching” comment)
He only succeeeded in proving he was a liar and managed to give the story legs. Now, he is changing his story to cover himself. The more he talks, the more he “remembers” and embellishes. He doesn’t know exactly what will come next or what’s out there so he keeps adding to it.
There is no way I, or anyone, especially Mr. Cain would ever forget a charge against him like that.
Today, he’s out there saying he didn’t lie about saying “I’m not aware of a settlement.” Now, it’s I was aware there was an agreement…whether that’s a settlement or not. (it depends what the meaning of the word “is” is.)
Also, has anyone caught where he said he may have actually signed the settlement, but he may have? So, he’s gone from knowing anything about this to he may have signed the settlement.
Wrong. Cain stated on Greta (the subject of this post) that the other lady did NOT file anything. Additionally, he stated that her name was the one that Politico hit them with. He was likely flummoxed by this intertwining of events. How could he craft a response to the wrong person being named – and not bring up a person who, for all he knew, had told Politico to pound sand?
It’s shadow boxing.
Folks, We The People’s objective is to select the candidate who best has the qualifications to fulfill the Office of President of We The People’s USA.
This sounds like a Clarence Thomas affair all over again. Anita Hill, does anybody even know who she is or where she lives…who even cares about the poor misguided individual. Seems she too was a product of the 90′s.
Sounds like two fellow employees, with axes to grind, talked about “getting even” with NRA by setting up Mr. Cain (or anybody in a high position). Mr. Cain was “selected” because he dispayed the one characteristic that caused him this headache…he’s extremely approachable. Simple as that. Wrong place, wrong time.
Our Beloved USA is so much larger, so much in need of We The People’s focused attention on the “ball.” Don’t get distracted watching the cheerleaders…we’ll lose the game that way. That’s what POLITICO wants. Take We The People’s focus away from the real prize (blocking Mr. Obama’s re-election), getting lost in some useless play that leads us nowhere. Focus. Select the best candidate.
Both Mr. Cain and Newt have Lincoln-Douglas debates coming up…let’s focus on them. Let CNN, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson et al lather themselves up in their mantles of self importance, running endless hours of repeticious, meaningless videos, interviews with POLITICO, Paul Begala and Dona Brazille…all distractions. Focus. Select the best candidate.
This is the “top down/bottom up and inside out” at work and MSM is an integral part of this carefully laid out plan. Wisconsin Recall Election was dress rehersal. OWS is the “polished” version (bottom up).
There are very serious forces at work, willing to turn Our Beloved USA into a socially engineered country. Vote massively this primary and general election because massive fraud has already befallen Our Beloved USofA. God Bless America.
Odd, both of those candidates have sex scandals. This is like a sexdebate. These two clown were never going to be the nominee, and if conservatives do not wake up and support Perry, Romney will be the nominee. Perry new ad says it all, if you want slick talkers, we have that in the white house, he is a doer, not a talker. This country needs a doer, not a premaddona Cain, or spineless Romney. Newt went after Clinto when he cheated, but Newt was cheating at the same time, and he was getting paid. That dude is the biggest slickster of them all. Its funny watching some of my own people do what liberals did, pick the guy that makes you feel good. What a joke.
Oh yeah, like Rick Perry isn’t a slick talker — well, at least when he’s selling anything that isn’t nailed down in return for political support and/or financial backing (he seems to have less problem with that than actually debating, or giving a speech or interview).
Seems like that’s what he’s really good at “doing” too.
…and I’m from IL, so I think I have a bit of an advantage on spotting a pay for play machine politician when I see/hear/smell him; Perry would fit right in Chicago!
Who gives a shit. I can’t believe grown up people are discussing this.
I agree. Who gives a shit. I can’t believe grownups are discussing this.
Why should Cain respond to what amounted to innuendo from Politico. Everyone knows what the left does and is. We all saw the endless assassination attempts on Sarah’s character. So the lefty bunch comes on to Palin with unsourced accusations of an incident that amounted to nothing in the first place, and Cain is supposed to “confess”?
Sorry, it doesn’t work that way, not even in presidential campaigns. If he did nothing wrong in the first place, and they have no accusation to make in the second place, the proper response is to tell them to f*** off. The “confession” that Preston wanted would have amounted to putting himself on the defensive. Only a moron would play along with that game.
If I were the Cain campaign, I would track down the original complainer in this case and sue her, and sue Politico for racist defamation (we all know that the scary black man looking at the white woman the wrong way gets lynched. The precedents go all the way back to the KKK in the Reconstruction South).
Sorry. The second ‘Palin’ above should have been ‘Cain’.
Still haven’t got it right. It’s the 1st ‘Palin’ that should be a ‘Cain’.
I am deeply disappointed that PJM would pick up on an obvious dumpster-crawling Alinskyite unacredited scrap of garbage. Why would you play in to their game?
These are serious charges, there was reason to pick this up, Cain fans, yep fans, are mad at the press, but those same people got mad when the press gave Obama a free ride. Cain is toast, at least unless conservatives want to run Romney.
“These are serious charges”
No, they’re NOT. Unsourced charges of baseless accusations made at the height of the “sexual harassment” gravy-train are not serious. They’re simply an attempt to slime.
Nice try, liberal.
Greta Van Susteren ?, what a softball tossing useful idiot. Go google her interview with the Demorat governor of Maryland (aka Taxachusetts on the Chesapeake) and watch her let “OWE’ Malley get away with blatant partisan politic LIES and NOT call him out.
Gretta’s lengthy pursuit of this allegation was another example of the presses’ inability to stick to anything resembling the facts when they scent blood in the water. Cain made a mistake going into detail about the matter at all. Typical character assination by the left and the press.
Just goes to show that FOX is no better than the rest of the MSM when it comes to sensationalism.
These are some serous charges against him, I hope the lady’s that had this happen (if they did) are not telling the truth, because if they are, then the conservative media just made a doncky of itself. Perry 2012.
Cain’s personal explanations about what happened are inconsistent and full of vagaries that change minute by minute.
But, there is one thing about this mess that is identical to the crap and garbage that we have been force fed 24/7/365 for going on 4 years straight now.
RACE! When nothing else works “race” will.
Frankly, I am sick of it.
Hello,are you listening GOP?
Is this the Tea Party version of “white guilt.”
Off topic, Cain dodged “Crazy Ron’s” question at the debate before last. When he was asked about his past statements about the Fed, he responded that you cannot believe everything you READ on the internet. No one was believing anything we read on the internet. It was the Herminator’s voice from the Neil Boortz show that we had heard. Herman had said almost word for word what Paul had asked him. That was either obfuscation or an out right lie. Cain is either hiding things or just trying to sell books.
Bryan is correct – it’s the ever ‘changing’ story that is a big problem. Cain and his people are spinning a new version with each interview – all within the first 24 hours. They had almost 10 days to get this straight before it became front page news.
That’s a problem, no matter how you feel about Cain or any other candidate. These things don’t just go away because a candidate wants them to. The higher you go, the worse they can get.
No it’s not. First there has to be an actual charge for Cain to answer. Morally, he owes no explanation at all. How to handle innuendo (no one has shown that the original charge was anything but innuendo in the first place) in the middle of a political campaign is Cain’s difficulty. Anyone accusing him of coverup is very, very eager for him to go down.
I’ll tell you who owes an explanation. Politico owes an explanation. It is high time one of these muckrakers with nothing was strung up to dry.
Somebody should pay for the corruption of the political process. Who made the charge in the first place? What happened? If it was nothing, which is exactly what it looks like, the character assassins should pay.
Yes, it’s Politico that should be having their feet to the fire, fat chance though.
This shows someone is scared of Cain. I suspect Ron Paul fanatics. They think if Cain were out then Paul would be the anti Willard (Mitt).
There is just nothing here other than an overt smear. Remember The Times article about McCain’s affair, Sheesh. How many times for the same trick.
For someone whose main appeal is supposedly that he isn’t a lifetime politician, Cain answers (that is, doesn’t answer) tough questions just like any lifetime politician would. Except more incoherently.
Cain isn’t qualified to be president. Period. And isn’t going to be qualified anytime soon as disinterested as he is in learning anything.
Its a tough call, but I know many women, myself included, who have dealt with real sexual harassment, and when we reported it, we were not after a financial settlement. We wanted to see the offender fired or disciplined. I would not have taken a settlement if one was offered. That doesn’t remedy the situation unless you are a gold digger and are after the money only.
The Cain Campaign has learned a valuable lesson the hard way. One might have thought/expected them to know that the only way to handle this stuff is to get on one story, the truthful one, and stick to it. Get it out there immediately and don’t waiver. Every shuck, jive, dodge, and “misstatement” justs adds to the fire. Truth beats the “appearance of truth” each and every time. As always, it is not the act that tends to torpedo the candidate, its the false denial.
Cain is a total joke. I am so tired of this guy. He isn’t even a true conservative.
I see the 50 centers are out in force today. “arrogant”, “hubris”, “he’s done”, “he’s toast”, “a total joke”, “not a true conservative”. yawn. I hope you are just useful idiots and not getting paid as your comments are worthless.
Useful idiots for sure.
Paid? Soros has lots of $.
I still want Cain to be the GOP nominee and president. All this proves is that he’s not a lawyer. Good thing.
My opinion of PJMedia just got lowered several levels, into the sewer. It is bad enough that the big media traffics in this garbage. Now, Bryan Preston and PJ are asking about pubic hairs and Long Dong Silver. Amazing. And sickening. Our country is going to hell and PJMedia is getting the rope for an Alinsky mob.
Wouldn’t suprise me if the Perryvangelicals were the one who dug this up in the first place.
If the Perry people wanted to do that they would bring up Herman’s long time association with an ultra liberal mega church. He sometimes shares a pew with a member of Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition. The ex-associate pastor and close friend of Cain has said the Herman knows that the Tea Party is rascist but he can’t say it because he is a politician. Where have we heard that excuse before?
As this is happening during the primaries, I have to assume this came about via one of the other primary candidates. Occam’s razor and all that. Kind of sad.
No way to know, but the fact that Politico put it out and the MSM carefully timed reaction makes me think that is not the case. I think the dems are terrified by Cain. First they completely ignored him in a manner that even Stalin would have approved of. Then they dismissed him. Now they bring out the rope.
I think the Dems grossly miscalculated this one. But then, they grossly miscalculate everything these days. The democratic party is just a bunch of union thugs now, and their strategy and actions reflect it.
I think they believe they have to knock Cain out in the primary, where Perry and Cain, Bachmann and Paul will share his voters. I suspect the goal was to crown Romney as the GOP inevitable, have the MSM push that theme, and count on the fact that Romney will generate zero excitement in the general election for the tea party voters, evangelical christians and anyone else for that matter.
I also think they are so full of their own self-anointed righteousness that they really thought they could sell the-scary-black-man-wants-your-women theme to all the dim-witted, red-neck voters in flyover land.
There sure is a lot of asinine Herman Cain bashing going on here.
Where’s the glaring inconsistency in his statements about this
trumped-up (Trumped-up?) issue? If someone asked me about a 15-
year-old Human Resources settlement concerning a forgotten employee
I would have vague memories as well. However, if hounded by the
press, I would probably call up my former corporate counsel to
have them refresh my memory on the matter. Hence my story would
“change” and become “more detailed” over the course of the day.
What’s so surprising or inconsistent about that? This is “Troopergate”
all over again, for those two blinded to see it for what it is.
Cain is in the lead and he has already proven he can’t take the heat. Herman and you need to man up.
He’s taking the heat just fine. Anyone who cannot see this for what it is willfully ignorant. Herman’s supporters will not be swayed by this. His numbers will go up and YOU will still be ignorant.
“There sure is a lot of asinine Herman Cain bashing going on here.”
Betcha a lot of it’s coming from the same IP or IP block.
Yeah, some of the previous set off my sock-dar.
Who doesn’t have some unfavorable event or behavior in their past? Who in their right mind, but an ego maniac, would dare go through this process? The best we can expect is competent leadership. That, in itself, would be a huge change for the better. Are Republicans going to continue to eat their own? There are no perfect candidates, unless they have been sanitized, pre-packaged and protected from all evidence of a past. Sort of like the POTUS.
That is a strawman argument. What we need is someone who is competent, not someone is trying to sell books.
You read more into my comment than I said. Whether it’s Cain or Romney or Perry or anyone else, the MSM will dig or make up something about them to make them look bad to their more gullible consumers. Whether it’s the Goldwater daisy ad or “I can see Russia from my house” or “N_____head” or something real, we know conservatives will be vilified. I agree we need competence. We will not find perfection. In the end, you may just have to hold your nose and make an X.
I wish Sarah Palin would run but I can certainly see how the best of them is unwilling to have her family subjected to this. The process is so frakked up that all we will ever get is those willing to go through it. These people just may not be the most desirable candidates. Or individuals.
It’s you Ron Paul kooks that need to “man up”. I
love Dr. Paul’s domestic agenda and contempt for
the Federal Reserve, but when he talks foreign
policy tiny little spaceships fly out of his mouth,
circle his head, and then fly back into his ears.
I honestly wish he’d remove himself from this race
and let his far-more-reasonable son Rand do the
talking for the both of them.
Ron Paul is an anti semite. Some conservatives do not suffer from white guilt. So, just because we do not want a former member of the Fed in public office does not make us Crazy Ron supporters.
Man up!
Wow this thread os full of Cain-bashers. Some are Perrywikles, some are certainly Paulistas, and some are certainly from Obama’s Office of The Director of Progressive Media and Online Response.
For the rest, have you forgotten the Anita Hill Treatment that Clarence Thomas received?
It is not the accusation that is the problem. On every issue Cain changes his responses over and over. If he would tell the truth from the beginning, he wouldn’t have the problems he’s having. He is out flip-flopping John Kerry.
Read comment 24. above. And by the way, what’s
your obsession with masculinity all about? It
may be time for YOU to “man up”, tough guy.
I’m left to wonder just who “rance” supports.
You took the words right out of my keyboard!
Draft Palin! Problem solved.
Palin tried to lie her way out of the so-called “Troopergate” just as ineptly as Cain has handled this.
If Cain had been ambushed with the allegation, I could see having a hard time dealing with it; he had to know there was a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. I can even buy not knowing the amount or precise terms, but he had to know that there was a non-disclosure settlement in order to perform his part of that agreement. Caught flat-footed and knowing he was bound to a non-disclosure agreement would leave most people hemming and hawing and mumbling. BUT, he had ten (10) days and tried to sandbag it. In ten minutes, I could have had my lawyer’s advice on what I could legally say. In fact, for anyone who has had high level positions in business and government the words, “I’m sorry but that concerns a confidential personnel matter and I cannot comment” should fall off your tongue without the slightest hesitation. And you can add if you’re feeling particularly cooperative that after you obtain legal advice, you’ll get back to them with a few sprinkles and nuts about how you want to be just evah so helpful but you just can’t right now. See how trippingly that just fell off my fingers and I didn’t have to do research or call my lawyer.
True, Rance, but then you had planned to work it into the conversation long before you read this article, hadn’t you?
I believe that Herman Cain was right not to respond to Politico. From all we know now, Politico did have very little information on this story and their attempt to contact Cain was a dishonest attempt to get him to give them more information for the story.
Politico is a very liberal activist journal that poses as a middle of the road site.
Herman Cain now has the story in front of him and we need to be patient and watch him resolve this issue. Individual Republican Primary voters can decide for themselves if he addresses the story to their satisfaction.
Meanwhile the establishment Republican party(who want to destroy any candidate who doesn’t kiss their ring) can stay out of it.
Herman Cain is in the lead and he has proven time and time again that he can take the heat.
Good piece, Bryan. I agree with everything you said.
In fewer, other words, Cain should have called a spade a spade from the start.
Cain doesn’t work that way. He was not up front on his views on the Fed in the debate before last. He tried to obfuscate when Crazy Ron asked him almost word for word about what he had said on the Neil Boortz program several years ago. He really did say that you can look up where your local Fed office is located and call them, make an appointment and go discuss your concerns with them. He also said there is no need to audit the Fed. But, Herman said don’t believe everything you READ on the internet. It is a recording that Crazy Ron was referring to. Most of us do not read recordings.
Herman is not a straight up guy. He has attended an ultra liberal mega church for years. He sometimes shares a pew with a member of Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition. A former associate pastor and close frien has said that Herman knows that the Tea Party is racist, but cann’t say so because he is a politician.
So what? I participate in two bowling leagues weekly, with ultra-liberal people as the primary participants. I share a bar with likely members of some groups I’d rather really not know about. I am not even a little bit liberal on most issues. Do those leagues and my participation and bowling buddies say anything about my conservative credentials? No, they do not. This thing and that thing are different things. So it goes with church participation and actual political beliefs, regardless of whom he may have shared a pew with. Why’s the former associate pastor an associate? Is he a credible source? Even so and even if, so what? What would Cain making a casual comment to an associate pastor about believing that racism exists in the tea party have to do with his ability to perform his duties as the President of the United States of America? Doesn’t bigotry and/or racism exist in *every* large coalition or group of vested interests (loosely vested and not centrally organized nor planned in the case of the tea partiers)? Is it not the case that fringe elements do not invalidate an entire movement? Should not one judge a movement by their actions in the large and in the main as they relate to and correspond to their *stated* goals and actions? Is not the real problem when there exists one or more disjoints between those two?
But I get it, you don’t want anybody to support Cain. We all get it. Can you stop posting now? Or at least make a $500 or so donation to PJM to cover the long term maintenance and storage costs associated with your superfluous content?
This is proof that Cain is now the front runner. If he can weather the next week, he’ll be our next president.
What I find interesting is how lame the accusation is at it core: a gesture of a non-overtly sexual nature?
What is that? What does that mean? If a 100 people saw it, how many would take see the sexual content? Is that the best they can come up with?
Clinton was accused of a whole string of offense including dropping his pants, groping, and even rape.
Clinton was a Democrat. Herman Cain is a fringe Republican and could even be a Democrat plant, for all we know. Last time out, we were all squawking about how McCain(the RINO) and Huckabee(the pious)ganged up on Romney to win the nomination for McCain. Now we all squawk about Romney ganging up on everyone else with his money to win the nomination. Romney, with his money, will beat Obama. Cain, with his book selling campaign, will lose his third out of three elections.
The main problem with your statement is that Romney makes McCain look like a far right winger.
We are now judging candidates by how they handle lynchings and ambushes by hostile press on the campaign trail. Great.
A true conservative will have to stand up to much more than this in a presidential race. Hyperbole does not make your point. Liberals typically make that kind of point about conservatives. We understand that they are suffering from white guilt. Think before you type.
Wow, look at all the well-behaved trolls.
You’re right, let’s give up on Herman. He’s too much like a real person.
Trolls? Where did you come from?
Cain did exactly what he should have done. When the matter was brought forward by Politico, at the first opportunity, he went before Greta, a lawyer, and let her depose him on national television. He didn’t divert her questions by changing the subject; he simply answered them. She grilled him pretty hard about specifics. Yes, he didn’t swear an oath but it was a deposition nevertheless.
He is being accused of having no plan to address the issue when it came out even though he had been forewarned. During the day when he had at most 30 seconds of air time to respond, he denied he had sexually harrassed anyone. Then he arranged to give Greta as much time as she needed to question him thoroughly. That sounds like a really effective plan to me.
He had known about it for 10 days. Get your story straight. I don’t care for Politico myself, but if I were a candidate for dog catcher I would start trying to figure out how to deal with it and talk to them without disclosing anything useful. At a minimum his handlers are inept. Not a good sign for someone who’s 9-9-9 plan was written by a small town Ohio Wells Fargo financial adviser (read not an economist). Ronald Reagan selected really well qualified advisers.
Yes, he knew something was coming for 10 days. The short denials when no air time was available followed by an extensive interview all within 24 hours is turning out to be a good solution. As to his advisors and staff, I guess only a Harvard economist is smart enough to run an analysis. If you have specific holes to shoot in that analysis have at it.
rancid, we get that you really, really, really, want to enlighten us to not vote for Cain. Switch to decaf and quit nagging.
Yes, everyone knows that “sexual harassment” claims are generally bogus, just legalized extortion attempted by ugly and/or unhappy women.
Because so many have cried “Wolf!” in the past, this claim has no credibility anymore. Women who have truly been harassed (a mere handful), can thank NOW and the Press for ruining their chances for justice.
Robin Williams on HLN (A CNN handmaiden)interviewed Mr. Cain for 25 minutes in an attempt to further POLITICO’s so-called hit piece.
Folks, this is a concerted effort by Mr. Axelrod (of “top down”) working in concert with POLITICO (“bottom up”) to derail elections by having a Republican Presidential candidate Mr. Obama WILL defeat in upcoming Presidential debates.
Keep your powder dry, more is yet to come. This primary and general election is so important for We The People. Vote massively because massive fraud is already unfolding right before our eyes. God Bless America.
What to make of it?
Unless something new comes out the charges were almost certainly baseless and little more than a Jesse Jackson style shakedown in which the accusation itself is damaging enough to get a payoff, no real evidence required.
Also, this is another abject lesson and example of how in today’s world “sexual harassment” is subjective and entirely in the eye of the woman. What is welcome attention to one is “sexual harassment” to another. In fact, the same words coming from the same guy directed at the same women could one day be welcome attention and the next day “sexual harassment”, depending on how she “feels” those days.
What kind of law is based on the subjective, arbitrary, and emotion based evaluation of the “victim”?
The only thing Cain seems guilty of is not knowing enough to keep women in the workplace at arms length, with doors wide open and witnesses always around, never saying anything that is not work related other than non-gender specific small talk. It has come to that. Some women may take offense that they are not getting the attention they may want from some men they work with, but it’s pretty hard to turn that into a sexual harassment charge.
He is from the last generation where American men routinely and reflexively complimented women more than men. Those days are long gone. Such behavior is now deemed sexist, when convenient and unwelcome.
This is just a tick in the whole campaign I believe because when it comes to anything with sex as in previous administrations JFK, Clinton,etc., no one has shown leadership! This is merely a smear and only the beginning of a nasty campaign! An easy way for people to make money quickly and I have worked with some women that have done it over and over again. You can’t bring up previous cases when making another accusation so it seems! Cain should have brought it forth at the beginning perhaps but I don’t believe it is going to take away from his campaign in a big way! BIG questiion is, who leaked this and why!
There is no perfect answer to the high-tech lynching attack. As far as presentation of evidence, this attack was a weak one, and I think it was wise on Cain not to shoot the big guns in response. This particular thread contains a lot of negative commentary, which only demonstrates the damage done by the attack. Unfortunately, in my view, most of the negative commentary is about what Cain did not do right, as opposed to how vicious and unfair the attack was. I am not disappointed in Herman Cain, my disappointment is with those who turn against Cain at the first sign of trouble. This kind of attack is essentially the tool of the cynics. Let’s not fall in that trap. Is hearsay all it takes to “prove” someone’s fault? If it is, we are not as good as we think we are.
The pro Cain hyperbole continues.
It is interesting that black radio talk show host Larry Elder seems to get it. He just pointed out that Cain’s response was that of someone who started out to promote his book and get higher speaking fees. He has not prepared for the scrutiny that he gets as a front runner. He said that Santorum doesn’t get scrutiny because he’s not doing well in the polls.
What we need to be doing is choosing a serious conservative candidate, not a self promoter.
A serious conservative will lose the election. (based on how ‘serious’ conservatives argue here and elsewhere). These ‘shots’ are meant to divide the opposition to Obama. There is no best way to respond…that’s the problem.liberals don’t have a monopoly on stupidity.
I could infer from what you are saying that only Romney can win. That is stupid. Romney cannot win the south and probably the midwest because he belongs to a cult. Real Christians know that Mormons believe in polytheism and that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer who was begotten by God by a sectual act. It won’t fly where there are a substantial number of true Christians. He is also so liberal that he cannot improve the economy enough to get a second term even if he for some impossible reason won. Then we would get either Obama or Hilary in 2016. Screw your head on straight and decide which true conservative you can support.
By the way your ad hominems are not any different than what the media does to conservatives.
Sexual not sectual.
Infer all you want. I don’t recollect saying anything about Romney. I do infer that serious conservatives can easily be played if they aren’t careful.
Well said.
What a mess. This whole thing is almost certainly coming from another candidate’s camp. If not, then the msm has a LOT MORE than this, because they certainly won’t shoot their whole wad a year before the election. Coming from another candidate’s camp might also help explain the apparent thin sourcing.
So, this isn’t likely to be the last scandal, real or fake, about Mr Cain. And we might hear a lot more about this one as well.
There are a lot of puzzling aspects about it:
1. Politico doesn’t have much or is holding back. I don’t think it’s an example of libwit incompetance. Not this early.
2. Cain’s camp dropped the ball. That’s a red flag all by itself
3. Conservatives are rallying behind Cain even though they can’t possibly know the truth of the matter. If John Ziegler is right about what this incident is showing, it’s very very bad news for people who believe Obama must be defeated.
personally I doubt it was another R candidate. IMHO the whole thing was intended to force some type of disclosure, which would be spun accordingly. All the wood will not be behind one arrow.
It is a dire mistake for any politician to appear with Greta Van Sustern, who never met a subject she knew nothing about that she couldn’t talk about ad naseum for weeks on end. She makes Geraldo look good! The way our society is deteriorating, it is not a bit unusual for business men, teachers to be accused on wrongdoing by people wanting a settlement.
I’m not a big supporter of Cain, though I like him and think he would be a much better Prez than the current occupant. I’m leaning towards Newt myself, as the bestalternative to Romney.
That all said, I’m not surprised at what *seems* to be a muddled poorly handled response by him and his campaign.
I think the guy really does not remember much about this. He thought the charges were baseless and probably little more than extortion. It happens all of the time. He handed it off to the attorneys and to the NRA and washed his hands of it. Cain did not take the charges seriously and thought so little about them he remembers none of the details. That does not surprise me.
Now the charges have come back with no specifics or details given. Politico apparently had no details when they first approached him and his campaign and they apparently still have none. That is National Enquirer level sliming.
Unless the accusers come forward with specific details on the charges this is an even cheaper high tech lynching than the one Clarence Thomas got. But, of course, everyone involved is probably bound by non-disclosures making it very hard for Cain to defend himself.
These are the kind of secret accusations the secret police in totalitarian regimes use — no public disclosure of the charges or who the accusers are making it impossible to mount a defense. Cain must feel like he is playing a character in a Kafka novel.
I’m a bit shocked that some on the Right are analyzing his reactions so closely and judging him on that basis. As part of the vetting process we ought to look closely at this, but judging the man based on his reaction is what I would expect the Left to do, not the Right.
But the settlements actually happened. That makes it a lot different from the Thomas high tech lynching. And Cain has not only known about the settlement for decades, he has known about the Polito piece for nearly two weeks.
Yes, it appears that the charges were insubstantial and probably trumped up, but even so, they DO have something.
Something like this was inevitable. It will be shocking if there aren’t multiple other attacks, some much worse, and the hardballs will come shortly before the election. The Cain camp didn’t do A work responding, particularly considering they had 10 days of advance warning. They better get their act together. The response is evidence of a naive and unprepared candidate. It’s worrisome.
So there were “settlements”, but we know absolutely nothing about them — not the names of the accusers, what the charges were, what the evidence was, what the settlements said, and what the settlements were. So Cain is assumed guilty until proven innocent just because there were “settlements”? Standard language in such settlements explicitly drops the charges and abandons all claims that there was wrong doing. At least Clarence Thomas was directly and publicly confronted by his accuser and specific charges were made.
Also, Cain may be bound by non-dislosure agreements that are part of the settlements. He may be unable to provide any details. He may be trying to walk a fine legal line on the advice of his attorneys. He walked a fine line in the interview with Greta when he tried to give an estimate of the dollar value of one settlement.
He may not even be privy to all of the details of the settlements. He recused himself and apparently the NRA settled without his participation.
Herman was the accused and would have legally signed off on the settlement. Also, he was the head of the organization. Was he running it in a manner as loose as he has run this campaign? If so, let Obama be at the helm when the depression arrives. A depression is unavoidable if we do not have the absolute best leadership available. We are slightly better off than Greece at the moment and almost dead even with Ireland economically. If we did not print the world currency we would already be in a depression.
Herman was the accused and would have legally signed off on the settlement.
Are you sure about that? If so, please cite the applicable legal statute/code. AFAIK if the accuser agrees to drop charges the accused is not necessarily required to sign anything.
If so, let Obama be at the helm when the depression arrives. A depression is unavoidable if we do not have the absolute best leadership available.
I get it. You’re a Democrat, and probably a troll.
Several lawyers who are also talk radio hosts have said this. They seem to be the most critical of Cain on this. Two that come to mind are Larry Elder and Hugh Hewitt. Next stupid Cainaanite question please.
And, for your information, I spotted Arnold as the jerk he was in the recall election several years back. I voted for Tom McClintock.
If you live in California you probably voted for the “Jerkinator.” How did that work out? Herminator+Jerkinator=two peas in a pod
Stick to stuff you know about. If it were a formal complaint it would have been against him in his capacity as an agent of the employer, so the complaint is essentially against the employer. In all likelihood, the HR head, the General Counsel, and probably an insurance company handled all of this. Frankly, you’ll settle almost any complaint like this if you can get them to go away and shut up for less than the cost of defending yourself. It is entirely credible that the only thing Cain knew was that there was a complaint,that it was settled, and that he couldn’t talk about it.
I’m not saying he is guilty of anything other than handling it poorly.
But that is a problem all by itself.
He seems to handle a lot of things poorly, doesn’t he?
“I’m a bit shocked that some on the Right are analyzing his reactions so closely and judging him on that basis. As part of the vetting process we ought to look closely at this, but judging the man based on his reaction is what I would expect the Left to do, not the Right.”
I wouldn’t be so sure about those that you think are on the right, truly are.
I wouldn’t be so sure about those that you think are on the right, truly are.
True. Forgot about that. Case in point just above.
Spin and excuse all you like, the Cain campaign did not handle this attack well on what I assume was a baseless charge. If Cain get the nomination, such attacks will be coming fast and furious from Obama, his surrogates, his supporters and the press (but I repeat myself). He should have said “No comment” until he got the facts, then completely come clean about what he was accused of, how he responded and how the matter was finally put to rest.
There are more than enough settlements of bogus claims to go around, and the fact that the NRA may have paid something is meaningless, especially if the employees were terminated as part of the bargain.
The bottom line is that Cain and his campaign are not ready for prime time. (This could be said about Perry, whom I support.) I just hope that whoever gets the Republican nod will be ready when the going gets tough. The polls today mean nothing. There are a lot of Dems who will not easily give up their hold on Washington and the benefits that flow from big, paternalistic government. (E.g., see Greece).
Cain is not a professional politician and it shows.
He and his campaign will learn from this. If there is anything out there that is substantive, about these charges or any others, he and his campaign need to start doing their due diligence and homework.
I am not convinced that any other GOP candidate would have handled it better, except maybe Romney and Newt who have been already been through the gauntlet.
Actually, I find Cain’s response genuine if unpolished.
I’d like to know the facts. I’m skeptical we ever will. And if another GOP candidate’s campaign is behind this I’d like to know who it was. I’d scratch that candidate from any further consideration. That’s the kind of investigative reporting I’d like to see.
Claims of ‘sexual harassment’ are made far too easily. Saying ‘no’ after sexual relations with the man for weeks or months should not be a criteria. I overheard a cashier in a store say that harassment could mean anything she wished. This should not be. The life of the individual being charged with the offense can be ruined although, later, the claim may be ruled completely unjustified. Everyone should remember the case of the Duke lacrosse players.
I like Mr. Cain and believe him. However, he should modify his staff to include experts in public relations who are current with thinking today. He is an amateur in a nasty atmosphere….which lots of us like but he must learn how to survive.
He also needs to get experts on economics. 9-9-9 was written by a small town Wells Fargo financial adviser. Newt on Saturday appearing on the Larry Kudlow radio program said “9-9-9 is a slogan not a financial plan.” Can we afford another presidential trainee after the one we have now?
In the never ending war on drugs it looks like drugs are winning.
Herman Cain has suffered such serious short-term memory lapses in the last two days that I am now convinced that the man is a serious pothead. I’m also convinced that all those stories I’ve read about marijuana being a lot more potent now than it was back in the 1980s are true. I smoked pot back in the 80s and my memory didn’t come and go like Cain’s seems to have.
But Cain isn’t the only GOP candidate on something. I just heard a speech Rick Perry gave in New Hampshire last week. There are those who speculate that he was drunk at the time, but unless booze is more potent than it used to be I think he was on something much much stronger.
Every month it seems a new (or retread) candidate is pushed as the anti-Romney only to come crashing down to Earth a few weeks later. This is Cain’s second run as the anti-Romney and it looks like he’s on the way down if not out.
The only candidates who haven’t been the anti-Romney yet are Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum. Considering that Huntsman is a RINO Mormon it looks like it will be Santorum’s turn to be the flavor of the month for November-December. All of this will be forgotten of course when Romney gets the nomination and loses to Obama.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I support the flavor of the month for July, Michele Bachmann.
Hilarious Northern Light! Perry should consider himself lucky that the news cycle passed over his bizarre NH performance to focus on Cain. It wasn’t quite the “Dean Scream” but pretty close. He can still come back, but not without some stellar performances.
In chess you never should defend against an imaginary threat or a threat that might happen later.
I think the Cain camp served him well in not circling the wagons against who-knew-what.
He waited and was rewarded by Politico telling him one of the names of his accusers.
(Her case was not ever even brought!
All she did was come forward more than 10 years later and allege something happened once.)
A sitting President, Clinton, outright lies in a televised MSM interview, wagging his finger at the camera and at the interviewer, repeating a lie made under oath in a “sexual harassment” case.
When everyone discovers he lied the Left, Libs, Dems, and MSM — after paying lip service to their disappointment — rally to his support and defend him from the evil VRWC, presumably choosing the lesser of two evils. Today Clinton is held in very hard regard by the Dems and the MSM.
So, “what to make of” some of reactions coming from the “Right” to these sleezy, slimy, and, to date, unsubstantiated and undefined charges directed at Cain? Are they really coming from people on the Right? And if so, WTH are these people thinking? Why the enthusiastic rush to judge him unfit for the Presidency or the candidacy based on something as trivial as his initial statements denying any wrong doing and saying he does not remember much about it — much less the details, with little or no benefit of the doubt given. The Dems and the MSM must be privately LTAO.
I have have often thought the Right’s greatest enemy is itself, in its inability to unite and stay united against a greater common enemy.
Ditto that.
Well, we all united behind John McCain. That worked out real well didn’t it. He stopped campaigning to rush back to D.C. to help push through TARP. Now we are supposed to unite behind Herman “McCain” who supported TARP. Sorry, this time I’m not playing the game.
Blindly lining up behind Herman Cain might not be our best bet. We have 8 more weeks before anyone gets to do any voting. Lets just see what happens between now and then before we circle the wagons. I think, once we have our guy, you would be right.
I’m not advocating blindly lining up behind Cain. At the moment I’d go with Newt over Cain.
My beef is with those on the “Right” who are lining up behind Politico, who are not giving Cain the benefit of the doubt at this point in time, and who are using this to denigrate and eliminate Cain as a candidate and as Presidential material.
The Dems and the Left almost never behave like this when, for example, Foxnews breaks a story about one of their guys.
Thanks for the clarification. This Cain thing is sucking all the air time away from the real issues. I can live with Newt or Bachman or Santorum or even Perry.
Also, because of all of this, probably no one knows about Newt’s great tax plan. It’s basically a 15% flat tax. He’s really good at explaining the need for a transition which I didn’t think Perry explained very well. It’s based on the plan from Hong Kong, I think. Anyway, it’s a proven idea. So, from the tax angle, Newt or Rick are excellent. For social issues, Bachman and Santorum are very good.
Stick a fork in it. Unlike Perry, Bachman, Romney, or even Huntsman, I don’t believe that Mr. Cain was ever serious about becoming the president as evidenced by his complete lack of a campaign infrastructure. His entire candidacy has been a distracting sideshow and it is high time we turned our attention to the viable candidates (those who can actually win) and get behind someone. Thank god the vetting occurred now rather than during the general.
Amen.
Herman Cain’s response to the allegations would have been fine had he been applying for a position as CEO at a major corporation. Think about it. Every business person knows that most legal claims are handled quickly and cheaply by buying off the claimant regardless of the validity of their complaint. However, Cain isn’t applying for a business position, he’s running for political office, the highest one in the land, and this is where his lack of political experience begins to hurt him. Although I am inclined to support Cain’s candidacy, I have had some doubts. This occasion only serves to make me feel like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
Governing and managing are two entirely different endeavors. Granted, professional politicians have a poor track record of managing the country’s business, but they are proficient at getting elected. Unless the complaint is truly egregious, they have the ability of dodging the bullet. Honestly, such talent can also come in handy when dealing with valid political issues, especially those in foreign relations.
Now, we can only wait and see if he learns his lesson and recovers from this misstep or if we have to look elsewhere for a viable candidate to defeat Obama. I’m rooting for him for the simple reason that none of the other contenders thus far have given me any warm and fuzzy feelings.
Still voting for Mr. Cain. The Politico BS just makes me believe my choice is the right one. The louder you pigs squeal the truer the choice. All you Ronulans and Perrywankers need to get a grip.
By the by, Jon (900 million for me and my buddies) Corzine is going down like a Times Square chickin head. And it looks like the O zone administration is likely to be involved more than Fast and Furious.
Most settlements have a non-disclosure agreement that usually includes a prohibition on acknowledging the non-disclosure agreement.
Knowing that, Cain’s responses make more sense.
Considering that the secretary got a lawyer and asked for lots of money and settled for the amount she would have gotten if she was fired for typing too slow, you can rest assured there is nothing there.
The real scandal is that Politico can run a story with no real details slandering someone running for President with no consequences!
Cains real “crime” is being black and refusing to live on the Democrat Plantation. The Left can’t let his survive because he will, by example, lead other blacks off the Democrat Plantation.
Haven’t made a decision about the GOP contenders–but
If this is the best “scandal” the media can come up with; in light of obama, Clinton, then I have no worries about Cain.
I find this a none-issue. There appears to be nothing here.
Has ANYONE interviewed those who ‘claimed harm’?
They can’t. There is a non-disclosure clause in the settlement. Cain could ask the NRA to allow them to speak and the Association would probably acquiesce. This would probably be cleared up quickly. But, Herman would get less advertising for his book. Let’s see what is important to him, his book tour or the presidency.
I used to like Greta when she had a real face. Now? Not so much.
LOL! That is just so silly, it’s funny.
My guess is he was continually harassing women, on a daily basis. This is the tip of the iceberg.
You are basing your conclusion here on just what exactly? The ol’ black-man-as-a-sexual-predator stereotype, perhaps?
I DO NOT care, I do not care if he had sex with the woman and then fired her, I care even less if some money grubbing witch, accused him and got a nice pay check to keep her mouth shut and go away… I’m not voting for or against Herman Cain based on this story PERIOD!!! GOT THAT POLITICO? Show me something substantial like he embezzled money, or LIED to stockholders but this is total NONSENSE and not worth 2 seconds of anyone’s time.
Interesting how no other GOP candidate save Cain is facing these allegations. Could it be because Cain is a BLACK conservative? It’s Clarence Thomas all over again….
[update] He had TEN DAYS to prove he didn’t rape that poor subordinate. But he just couldn’t git’er done. He’s no Bill Clinton. Thank you, PJM for your fine investigative journalism on this ITEM. Your check from the GOP Establishment is surely in the mail.
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